hivescum-class

[signal nebula]

nice man! are you healthy and happy?

[manic wolf]

I dunno about healthy, but happy enough 😂 Hope you're well also

[idle ocean]

Fellas real talk

How tf r u supposed to get 3000% attack speed

I really want the mask

[silent jetty]

its not 3000% at once

[signal nebula]

well that's the main thing eh 😉 yeah not doing too bad man

[manic wolf]

Speedloader is a bigger bonus and at least with a Desperado setup CqC kills arent exactly hard to get

[idle ocean]

Oh

[rare idol]

oh nice i can take ghost and run and gun on the needle. thats pretty ideal for my ooga booga gaming

[vale garden]

whats the blessing setup for needler

[manic wolf]

Good to hear, what you reckon of the new class man?

[signal nebula]

I've been enjoying Desperado/Sustained Fire on pistols. But I also kind of love run n gun

[silent jetty]

basically apply attack speed buff and you go up in %, its 3000% over a period of time basically not all at once

[rose flax]

It doesn't though(or at least not guaranteed)
I've gotten toughness fine

[torn ember]

I don't think the dual stubs are great for Desperado honestly, I'd rather run the dual autos so I'm not having to reload every few seconds

[errant stag]

valid reaction

[signal nebula]

i think there are parts of it that are cool, parts of it that are a mess, and some parts that are p OP

[manic wolf]

They're good with reload speed buffs, bad without imo, they hit hard enough for sure

[rare idol]

stripped down also looks pretty solid tbh

[signal nebula]

but imo it needs a do over

[manic wolf]

Lmao, that sounds about right yeah

Toxin is incredibly strong, an tho you have to wait on it, the Needle pistol is cracked beyond belief

[signal nebula]

yeah, Toxin stuff is strong

hardest build to play though I reckon

[robust sable]

@tepid cosmos spotted

[signal nebula]

I am smooth braining auto dodge desperado pistols with close to 100% crit XD

[torn ember]

It's not that hard, just grab Rampage + Adrenaline/Dependency, slap on a Bonesaw + Needle Pistol and Blinders/Chem Grenades

[tepid cosmos]

i am building 10 billion weapons

[manic wolf]

Too early for me to agree or disagree at this point, Desperado seemed like the obvious pick given the classes massive weakness vs shooty enemies

[high gull]

Punt him

[robust sable]

I was just about to as well.

[worn gull]

I just got enough talent points to make a real Chem build last night and the jump in survivability is nuts. Many chances to top off toughness. It's a very strong mixed offense / support build my limited skill expression ass can pull off lol

[signal nebula]

well yeah if ur using Rampage its fine

[robust sable]

Our labour is arduous.

[signal nebula]

Crate is hard to play with tho

[rose flax]

Two names?

[tepid cosmos]

my baby needs some love

[manic wolf]

It seems like more impactful Aquilla from what i can tell

[tender marten]

its actually really easy if you dont care about your teammates getting the buffs too ;D

[worn gull]

Crate is easier to use with a coherent team. Less when not.

[signal nebula]

I have been eating shit with it so far, but skissue so all g

[robust sable]

I like to play Stimm Supply with a hybrid build; Mk 1 Shivs and Stub Pistols.
I use Chemical Dependency for passive stat buffs and dropping juiced Stimm Supplies more; full Strength, Crit Chance, and Attack Speed.

Of course this dips over for Hyper Critical too.

[zenith fern]

Been thinking of that being my first scum build after reaching 30

Shivs double dot sounds really fun

[tepid cosmos]

combine said he was having fun using it with a rampage build

[signal nebula]

chem dependency doesn't work with Crate atm

[tepid cosmos]

i might try that build out

[robust sable]

:(

[tepid cosmos]

but in general it needs some love

[flint granite]

Mod that shows their username next to their character name like it does post game

[robust sable]

Krilling myself

[manic wolf]

It'd cover some of the weaknesses into bigger targets for sure

[signal nebula]

it should but it doesn't!

[rose flax]

Ohh

[outer estuary]

for the Stimmed and Alchemist penance where you have to be at full stacks of chemical dependecy is that all in 1 go or cumulative over several missions? i ask cause i was at 3 stacks for a while and it shows 0 progress for either penance

[manic wolf]

They dont struggle into man size targets anyway because Hypercritical is a thing

[tepid cosmos]

atleast we have been hit with the soon tm on that one lol

[signal nebula]

i think Crate is very whelming atm

[worn gull]

The crate / stim interaction is so weird though. You lost your stim when you drop the crate but only when stim is off CD?

[robust sable]

Also, lowkey

Chemical Dependency should be Stimm cooldown reduction

It'd be cooler

[neat delta]

Blessings for shivs?

[manic wolf]

Idk, I like my 20% crit buffs 😄

[robust sable]

I run Precognition and Riposte

[hazy vector]

Hiver feels so different from other classes, it is like playing different game

[worn gull]

If you deploy crate while stim is on CD does crate still get stim benefits?

[signal nebula]

you got chocies. Uncanny/Riposte/Precog all good

[robust sable]

Yes

[coral citrus]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/haymaker-blessing-permanently-turns-off-precision-violence/115629

[torn ember]

on CD = no

[robust sable]

You don't need the Stimm available to use Stimm Supply; it's basically another Stimm

[neat delta]

Why not lacerate?

[rare idol]

the bone saw special swaps my saw between purple and yellow. wtf do they do?

[torn ember]

or at least that's what I was told

[coral citrus]

I'm just the messenger man, argue with this guy if you want

[zenith fern]

I like no riposte, bleed on critical hits and the rending on weakspot hits

[tender marten]

one purps the other mellows

[toxic dagger]

It doesn't do much if you use it while stimm is on cd though

[robust sable]

It's a trap Blessing; it encourages you to aim for body parts you shouldn't be aiming for

[worn gull]

Rad just got two oppositional answers lol. Guess I'll have to test it

[manic wolf]

Pretty much never Lacerate on anything because Flesh Tearer is just better as far as Bleed goes

[signal nebula]

non weakspot

[coral citrus]

Lacerate very bad

[signal nebula]

Also you have flesh tearer on a class that can get close to max crit

[torn ember]

Lacerate is better because my aim is shit

[knotty grotto]

4 man hive scum against the karnaks was an experience

[tender marten]

more like lacerhate

[robust sable]

How so?
Am I missing something?

[zenith fern]

If you are using the mark of the shivs that uses strikdown heavies, the weakspots are easier to hit with the blessings related

[rare idol]

does anyone know how the bone saw mode swap works?

[toxic dagger]

Then it only does the base corruption cleanse

It doesn't copy your stimm if it can't consume it

[torn ember]

green = applies stacks of Chem Toxin
purple = applies stacks of Brittleness

[high gull]

The main draw of the crate is sharing your custom stimms with your team

[tender marten]

yellow is standard toxin shit, purple will do brittleness

[rare idol]

thats actually pretty good

[signal nebula]

green mode: toxin. Purple mode: bespoke brittleness (stacks with other, normal sources)

[worn gull]

They really need to fix that not working w Chem dependency

[high gull]

Literally no reason to take chem dependancy outside of penance farming

[signal nebula]

Chemical Depenancey

[tender marten]

dependancy is pretty fun

i like the loop

[signal nebula]

UP HIGH GUYS

[outer estuary]

my penance didnt even track 🙁

[signal nebula]

UP HIGH

[tender marten]

-sighs-
-up highs-

[high gull]

You need to maintain full stacks

[neat delta]

anyone have a good build.

[outer estuary]

i did

[signal nebula]

yeeee boi!

[tepid cosmos]

sir the keystone is just free buffs right now lol

[torn ember]

It's incredibly good because the Brittleness stacks with other brittleness and you can stack it really fast. All the Bonesaw needs is to fix its cleave (which is really easy to do with Shock & Awe and then either Decimator or Wrath) and it's an incredibly solid weapon for a chem build

[worn gull]

The main issue is it doesn't work w the active ability in its own tree

[tender marten]

thats cause there are other issues with that interaction that need addressing first

[rare idol]

interesting, i went shock and awe and i think a crit blessing b/c i didnt know about the mode switch

[high gull]

I will not hear out the contrarian

[tender marten]

but that aside its a pretty solid keystone and very easy to upkeep

[robust sable]

Oh!
I guess I am literally just stupid then.

[tepid cosmos]

i prefer realest

[rare idol]

i have a bug where even tho i have med bag picked the game loads me in with desprado

[tender marten]

30% base CDR is nothing to scoff at, and 50% toughness for one additional point on such a fragile class is also pretty dope

[torn ember]

Shred might also work but I really find I need cleave

[warped quiver]

what is viscosity % on the stimm?

[signal nebula]

Chemical Dependency is very cool with Dual Shivs

[torn ember]

Is your talent tree legal? It will revert you if it isn't

[tender marten]

you can basically cycle through dependancy + rampage over and over again

[tepid cosmos]

basically how many points you spent in it eg how strong it is

[torn ember]

Useless stat only used for a few penances, look at Cooldown instead

[tender marten]

you're either psuedo-ulted with a stim or you are actually ulting in rampage with no downtime between the two

[thorn prawn]

Going to make a gimmicky chem dependecy exploding crate build

[rose flax]

Fat shark if you see this, don't nerf pick pocket just make it only work in close range
Hive scum is supposed to be a gunho class like the article specified

[livid raven]

you use the crate only as a bomb while stimming yourself?

[north plank]

Iron Riders or Tread Lightlies which side are you on???

[thorn prawn]

Basically stack as much cdr as possible and get the nodes where it lasts 5 sec and goes boom

[grand jewel]

warty car tell

[warped quiver]

honestly crazy that the crate eats your stimm and doesn't give dependency stacks

[torn ember]

You don't want CDR, you want a 15-second cooldown stimm, the talent that gives stimm cooldown on kills, and the talent that resets stimm supply cooldown when your stimm comes off cooldown

[hazy vector]

lol

[warped quiver]

I could live with it doing one or the other but both is a deal breaker

[hazy vector]

so wrong

[torn ember]

to be fair Cooldown Reduction doesn't really do anything with Stimm supply

[rare idol]

no indication of illegality but i reset it anyway

[hazy vector]

literally the best keystone

[grand jewel]

no point doing CDR when you can just take a mid stim for 15s cooldown and take the node that gives the pack back when you get a stim

if you planned on spamming boxes

[thorn prawn]

Yeah, badically only stim up cdr first to get dependency and start spamming crates

[torn ember]

Dependency doesn't do shit bro

[ornate ember]

best needle mark?

[torn ember]

Your CD is tied to your stimm, not the actual CD of the ability

[hazy vector]

40% cdr and 20% toughness damage reduction and 20% crit chance*

[hazy vector]

where did you take 50%

[torn ember]

They misread the bit where it replenishes 50% toughness on Stim use

[high gull]

Gonna set up a petition to replace you as a playtester with tanner

[tender marten]

^

[hazy vector]

Eh

I suppose if you take low cd stim, then it is useful

[tender marten]

also i am assuming 3 stacks instead of 4 jsut because its comically easy to maintain 3 stacks with any stim concoction you have going

[hazy vector]

I hav e borderline cc

cd

so i get 4 stacks

[tepid cosmos]

argus found dead in the streets every tester left a knife in him

[grand jewel]

🫦

[hazy vector]

you should go for 4 really

[torn ember]

I don't trust myself with borderline CD and stimm dependency because knowing myself I'm going to forget to use it as soon as it comes up and woopsies

[signal nebula]

You mean the infamous TANNER LINDELBOLG?

[tender marten]

just never stop mashing the stim button lol

[tender marten]

but you can also not and it's fine tbh

[grand jewel]

simply get a macro

lmao

[trim wind]

and at least half the playerbase

[grand jewel]

put it on left click

[manic wolf]

Not any combination because the stack starts as soon as you pop the stim, erefore you have to factor in stim duration

[worn gull]

Its really not the end of the world if the top stack drops off for a few seconds

[manic wolf]

You can ease the burden with the CDR node, however, you can just take one branch of the stim tree and have a 45s cooldown an stick with the three stack for more breathing room, which buys you the toxin on Blitz node instead of CDR node if you dont already have it

[torn ember]

[robust sable]

In Psykhanium
Got a 47.5% Crit Chance with Shivs
Non-Crit 13 times in a row

[tender marten]

also assuming you have sample collector because why the hell would you not

[obsidian crown]

Do people not know that net takes half a second to free someone from it? Common pub mistake I’ve seen a lot tbh

[neat delta]

what do I put on my crowbar

[shrewd spoke]

Lady Luck hates you with every fiber of her being

[torn ember]

Nice ~0.0002% chance bro

[manic wolf]

I dunno, window is still gonna be pretty tight, though i've opted to not take the CDR node for points elsewhere

[robust sable]

[zealous ravine]

heh BORING

[torn ember]

Can Opener for sure, a lot of people also recommend Superiority

[tender marten]

keep in mind there's two ways to think of it -- do you want actual max stacks at all times, or are you okay with just being at max stacks after you stim? this is the difference between having a 60/120s and 90/180s window to have maximum stacks.

[shrewd spoke]

Thinking out loud as unlikely as it would be what would be the best team comp for a hive scum?

[patent bone]

Going back to the Underhive I see

[tender marten]

it really is trivial to hit 3 stacks ultimately even with an expensive drug

[manic wolf]

P'much yeah, thats what i was eluding to

[outer estuary]

seems ike the chemical dependancy penance is weird. played it with 3 stacks and lost and had 0 progress. played another with the 4 stacks perk and didnt show live progress. lost 1 stack at end of game and when i went back to the hub it showed the progress. guess i have to use the 4 stack perk and make sure not to exfil with all stacks active

[near mauve]

people below auric dont know anything
i got trapped and bros decieded to kill everything around me before freeing me so i died

[hazy vector]

When the chem you used was THAT Potent

[livid raven]

the classic

[floral verge]

The dodge angle talent is a massive game changer, holy

[high gull]

Playtesters failed to tell John Fatshark to count chem dependancy with crate

Remove all testers pls

[shrewd spoke]

I’ve seen that during an uprising mission when I was first trying hive scum watching 2 other people not instantly free the person confused me

[torn ember]

It's excusable in Uprising, newbies gonna newbie, but by Heresy/Damnation people really should've learned.

[pale cliff]

watching hive scums scoom their entire autopistol into the enemy barrel that got too close to me

[paper quiver]

i'm chatting with a girl in VC and she said ''i think you're a secret genius'' is she using the rizz chat?

[tender marten]

no youre just lonely

[tepid cosmos]

we could really do that when it working with stimms happened the thursday before release yep

[amber sundial]

They’re trying to steal your organs

[lavish sigil]

what is 'girl'?

[elder needle]

is the girl ChatGPT?

[high gull]

Smh bad testers

[outer estuary]

psyop

[unique dagger]

Is this girl in the room with us right now?

[grand jewel]

heresy and learning, pick one

[shrewd spoke]

Don’t think too hard about it bud

[paper quiver]

a hot chick i am playing games with

[tepid cosmos]

killing you

hmph

[lavish sigil]

only logical answer

[torn ember]

Knowledge is Power, guard it well

[high gull]

You're too short

[pale cliff]

fake (girl) and gay (darktide)

[high gull]

aren't you like 3'2

[sacred kernel]

Are we disliking girls today?

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/who-let-bro-cook-who-who-let-bro-cook-dont-let-him-cook-again-gif-13506486571730006439

[sacred kernel]

I've got a build to share

[shrewd spoke]

Uh maybe?

I can barely keep up with the conversations going on here

[sacred kernel]

It's a girls only build 😛

[paper quiver]

picked out any favorite melee weapons for the Scum?

[reef spoke]

The last time I let a woman near me, she launched an electric net at me

[sacred kernel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a081dc8e-2372-4fc8-a45a-a718a0e794ef/desperados-invincibility?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[shrewd spoke]

Bone saw the coating animation make my brain happy also the weapon is actually good

[vale garden]

force fem estro stimm crate build?

[sacred kernel]

Hopefully that shares correctly, never bothered to use the build creator before

[paper quiver]

does it feel like an axe or remind you of axes?

[amber sapphire]

mine screamed something about fire, death, and uuuuh, update / renewal?

[torn ember]

Big fan of all 3 Scum-only weapons honeslty

[vale maple]

Bonesaw for a silly DoT build

[torn ember]

Also the Rashad, ye olde faithful

[paper quiver]

do you dream about axes

[shrewd spoke]

Feels more like a chain axe as the single hits linger on the foe

[paper quiver]

cool cool. i have a god roll of the uzis and for the dual knives

the dual knives feel like the daggers in Vermintide 2 a little bit

[reef spoke]

Women are the scariest enemy in Darktide 😔

[unique dagger]

I am really liking the Emperor's Sword on this class

[paper quiver]

dual knives reminds me a lot about dagger for Kerrillian

[grand jewel]

zealot chat breaking containment again

[unique dagger]

special flame activation is very cool

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[paper quiver]

guys favorite Scum melee weapon so far?

[vale maple]

Dual knives projectile annoys me, I keep thinking its like zealot blitz and then it travels 10x slower

[tribal bane]

saw

[vale garden]

MAPS WITH NZ

[torn ember]

Yeah shiv special needs to be buffed to same trajectory as Zealot blitz knives, if only to preserve player muscle memory

[vale garden]

Also france has been eaten by britain

[paper quiver]

does it do well against armor and is relatively nimble is that what they did with the Bone Saw?

[vale garden]

10/10 map made by a brit

[grand jewel]

Uzi, Dakka

[tribal bane]

well, base mode ain't too good with armor, but it's alt mode can shredd crushers

[grand jewel]

they don't make things they steal them

[paper quiver]

that pfp is terrible lol

[tribal bane]

France is there' just named Franc, and partially eaten by every other country around it

[high gull]

Needler

[vale maple]

Dual stubs and needler are both hella fun

[high gull]

Sploot gun is best gun

[grand jewel]

proof?

[rare idol]

ok new question whats with the mode switch on needler between yellow and blue?

[paper quiver]

i love it so much

[rare idol]

blue seems to make stuff explode

[grand jewel]

seconday mode

[rare idol]

which is fucking HOT

[rare idol]

thank you captain obvious

[ruby token]

How long does the stim last for?

[high gull]

@kez

[grand jewel]

20s

[amber sundial]

Blue is aoe but applies special affect

[rare idol]

people hating on the bone saw are just bad ngl

[amber sundial]

15 +5 with talent

[rare idol]

"put chem and brittle on everything" is mad useful

[tribal bane]

coulda said an actual hive scum line "thank you magos obvious"

[amber lotus]

How to anti armor with scum?

[fervent steppe]

i cant tell if hive scum is balanced or needs buffs?

[torn ember]

Yellow = 5 stacks to primary target
Blue = 3 stack to primary target, 1 stack in small AoE, primary target is afflicted with a special debuff depending on Needle mark (one makes them explode for damage+stagger on death, the other one makes them apply 1 stack in AoE on death. The stack one is better)

[tribal bane]

saw

[high gull]

It's really strong

It's just really game sense dependant

[amber sundial]

75% melee power:

[grand jewel]

its squishy and I feel like it could do with toughness on dodge of some flavour but its otherwise really good, its damage needs no help, maybe chem side could do with some help but otherwise goog

[fervent steppe]

they seem kinda like a worse zealot to me

[high gull]

You can't play like a glue drinker and do well with the class like you could arby

[vale maple]

Strong but not arbites levels of ridiculous

[cedar moon]

The fact that you lose your stimm when putting down the cartel special and you don't get a stack of Chemical Dependency is stupid

[torn ember]

Arbites: "Yes, I know what 5 of my Talent points do, but what about the rest of my talent tree?"

[vale garden]

its a bug

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[robust sable]

When it's working, +Strength, +Crit Chance, and +Attack Speed Stimm w/ Stimm Supply, Bone Saw, Chemical Dependency, and Sample Collector gonna go insane.
A really strong base weapon, and then Chem synergy within the tree you want for Stimm spam to begin with.

[cunning rain]

"Oi lads, have you seen my knives?"

[high gull]

It rewards players with good game sense.

[robust sable]

Nah, Hive Scum has insane offensive power.

[small grail]

I think chem dependency is bugged

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159845224634388512/1441815297794506823/RDT_20251122_1635326253338966886914647.gif

[rare idol]

p much

[high gull]

You can't just headbutt your problems with ganger

[rare idol]

also the boss damage from poisoning it seems really good

[vale garden]

crate is supposed to trigger dependency

[high gull]

You actually gotta think and be aware when you play or else you get folded.

[grand jewel]

its just good against everything lol

[amber sundial]

I thought this vent was your knife for a second lmao

[echo python]

Depends on the mark. One makes it so enemies explode from the toxin, the other mark makes the blue mode apply an AOE chem stack on death (and will apply AOE just generally)

[small grail]

My chem cd is 75 seconds and my chem dependency stacks last 90. But whenever my custom stim is up my stack is gone

[amber sundial]

Doesn’t cooldown when active

[torn ember]

Stim lasts for 15 seconds, 15 + 75 = 90

[cunning rain]

Big knife

[high gull]

People are so accustomed to face tanking dmg as arby and zealot that they can't adjust well to a class who's kit is based around other mechanics.

[amber sundial]

also why are you running chem dependency without the cooldown node

[rare idol]

sample collector reduces stim cd

so you can take a long cd stim and then get it back with spamming chems and stabbing shit

which is hilarious

[vale maple]

I remember some ytber I watched saying Hive Scum had bad boss damage and them I emptied a needler mag into a boss and realised I was lied to

[tribal bane]

they've been painted purple

[rare idol]

does anyone have a moveset map for the bonesaw? its nuts

the complexity of the bonesaw moveset is definitely there

[fervent steppe]

Ngl im 90% sure that hive scum just sucks IF youa re with 3 other hive scums

[robust sable]

Are you using the node which gives you 4 stacks but reduces the timer to 60 seconds?

[rare idol]

i think pa l+h is the horde clear but there are other transitions

[high gull]

Lmao not even

[vale garden]

i had such a good build planned until irealised rampage doesnt cd while active

[astral lintel]

does hyper critical also take away on kill effects from the adrenaline on kills subnode?

[high gull]

Just cleared a monstrosity auric maelstrom with 4 scum

[shrewd spoke]

Its a fun weapon the coatings also add some versatility

[fervent steppe]

so far ever 4 man hive scum missions feels like a chore, but if we have even one of the other classes its eases up significantly

[torn ember]

[optional Push - Heavy] - (Heavy - Light) > loop vs. elites, I forget the moveset for hordes but you can start with either a light or a Push attack

[high gull]

Yeah because alot of people are kinda shit

[grand jewel]

yeah scum 4 mans are rough

[rare idol]

i think chem is my fave side

[high gull]

That doesn't make the class bad

[rare idol]

it has a ton of utility tooling

[robust sable]

It'll be my favourite side when Stimm Supply is working properly w/ Dependency

[high gull]

Bad players in general make matches harder, pair that with a class that isn't bad player friendly.

[robust sable]

For now I'm going all in on middle

[high gull]

And you're gonna experience that yea.

[torn ember]

Crowbar is also really solid thanks to Can Opener

[amber sundial]

What’s yalls opinion on stim crate

[warped quiver]

lights:
right to left cleave
left to right strikedown
right to left strikedown
left to right cleave

heavies:
right to left strikedown
left to right cleave (after light 1)

'hidden' heavy:
right to left cleave (after light 4), and links into light 2 or heavy 2

push attack:
left to right cleave, followup is a choice between cleave or strikedown but forgot which is which

[rare idol]

crowbar is LIT with the mode switch

[robust sable]

It'll be better when it works with Chemical Dependency properly

[cedar moon]

The pull down on the crowbar and the boneswaw ruin them for me

[high gull]

Love it, wish it worked with chem dep

[torn ember]

I think you can also access the hidden heavy after a push (without using the push-attack)

[rare idol]

thx for moveset!

[high gull]

If I wasn't penance farming I'd be using it rn

[vale garden]

yeah im not running it until thats fixed

[vast plover]

just finished building endgame hive scum

knives backstabs are so good

[unreal osprey]

what perks on the dual autos

[high gull]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yBwVTEIC5jA

[unreal osprey]

flakiac or unyielding maniac?

[fervent steppe]

it just feels really weird, also dosnt help it isnt as "flashy" as other classes, like statistically i know im doing great in terms of damage and staying alive but it dosnt really have good feedback

[vale garden]

i went flak unyielding

[vast plover]

desperado + chem dependency for cd reduction with speed-cd stimm

[signal nebula]

okay I think I've found a Chemical Dependency build I like

[unreal osprey]

like weapon perk not keystone

[signal nebula]

it is labour intensive as fuck lol

[sturdy marsh]

What blessings are y'all using for crowbar? I've been doing can opener/superiority

[torn ember]

That's been the consensus that I've seen

[sleek grove]

So atm, Stimm Supply doesn't work with Dependency because you use your stimm?

[vast plover]

oh, Flak and Maniac of course

[high gull]

That's probably your build then friend.

[vast plover]

unless you're referring to blessings

[fervent steppe]

what build is it your using?

[high gull]

A good ganger build means a big difference between clearing a room and staring at the floor

[high gull]

Using a playtester's build, he's got them in the pins.

[vast plover]

a good ganger needs to play like knife zealot

[wanton prawn]

I wonder how well opportunist works on crowbar. All of your hook attacks stagger on hit

[torn ember]

Or you can Run chem grenades, so you can clear a room while staring at the floor.
Efficiency

[fervent steppe]

which one? im using the coles gunne build rn

[woeful agate]

Question about bolt pistol lethal proc on blitz. I am not noticing it changing rocket launchers aoe.

[high gull]

One sec

[fervent steppe]

👍

[unreal osprey]

not unyielding? feels invaluable for bosses/bulkwars

[high gull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07920be-dc05-42a0-a2b4-9909bf17087c/what-the-freak-is-an-ammo?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[fervent steppe]

thats the same one im using

[vast plover]

you should do chem dependency without the +5 sec stimm talent and without the 60 sec / 4 max stack talent

[high gull]

Are you NA?

[rapid mango]

on the other mark, blue makes the enemy spread more tox when they die

[fervent steppe]

EU

[high gull]

Oof nvm

[vale garden]

yeah dual auto ranged is the best ive played so far

[hearty axle]

I know this class is meant to be a Glass Cannon, but it's still way too fragile!

[signal nebula]

am using the 4 stack, am not using the 5+ sec

[fervent steppe]

i could be missing something, if there was a boss in the meat grinder it would help so much

[high gull]

You gotta learn to dodge brother

[rapid mango]

at first yeah but once you get to tough regen its fine imo

[vast plover]

the things is with 60 sec reduction you'd have to stick with stimms with 50% volatility

cuz the cd is too long

[lavish forge]

are the dual autos underpowered or am I underpowered

[hearty axle]

Kinda hard when you're boxed in and have nowhere to dodge to

[livid raven]

they might be overpowered if anything

[lavish forge]

theyre fun but like they feel like theyre shooting pee

[fervent steppe]

dont get boxed

[sturdy marsh]

Does anyone know if with the bone saw, if the toxin kills the enemy does it still count as a melee killing blow for adrenaline smiter or no?

[robust sable]

Shrimply a krill issue

[dim moth]

🫵

[high gull]

Like it should be noted for anyone complaining about survivability of the class. It's not meant to face tank, you're suppose to utilize dodges.

[rapid mango]

positioning

[lavish forge]

ok so Im just underleveled

[vale garden]

once youre around 20 they become super good

[paper quiver]

lol. ur funny

[high gull]

You've got plenty of tools to negate this.

[fervent steppe]

tbf to some people dodging on controller can be a pain

[vast plover]

your cd to use stimm also doesn't start counting until your stimm buff goes away

[hearty axle]

It ain't just me, mind you. A lot of games even on 2nd difficult end in a TPK

[vast plover]

so you gotta subtract 15 seconds

[high gull]

Blackouts, rampage's knockback, the rocket launcher, toxin

[hearty axle]

When it's an all ganger party

[high gull]

You've got the tools, if you use them poorly then it's gonna end really poorly.

[signal nebula]

yeah I just take one line of stim

[vale garden]

imo this is dumb

[signal nebula]

44s cooldown + stimm cooldown node helps

[high gull]

That's kinda one of the caveats to Ganger, if you play it like you aren't gonna breakdown at the slightest tap.

[signal nebula]

agree

[unreal osprey]

you they’re rly strong

[high gull]

You're gonna fold.

[unreal osprey]

does the berserker path make scum significantly less squishy or is it worthless

[manic wolf]

Just had a lobby where one guy musta died 15 times before we even got to the second event room on Gloriana... This class is most certainly a skill check

[frigid thorn]

oh ok, brunt just happened to have the proper roll in stock lol

[worn gull]

Scum progression
Lvl 1: What a rad class
Lvl 14: This class blows, zero survival
Lvl30: What a rad class

[vast plover]

if you're taking backtab blessings into havoc, it'd be wiser i don't disagree

[sturdy marsh]

Does a ranged dual stub build work? Or should I just use autos on it?

[fervent steppe]

also am i the only one who thinks the voices all sound very similar to veterans? the female ones espeically so

[frigid thorn]

We are so back, it's SO over, we are SO BACK

[alpine hazel]

the animation for stimm crate seems to be broken, it regularly doesn't deploy

[manic wolf]

Its very back-loaded yeah

[frigid thorn]

Yeah I just hit 25 and the game feels WAY better now that I can nab all the toughness stuff at the bottom middle

[zinc heath]

Yea ngl. Hive scum definitely is even more squishy than psyker

Like there are so many times where i am just fighting and suddenly 0 toughness

[manic wolf]

Well Psyker is a machine that turns psychological issues into toughness, so checks out

[worn gull]

Psyker probably second or first tankiest class rn...

But yeah scum feels like pre rework psyker

[shrewd spoke]

Crusher becomes the Ego Crusher

[vale garden]

what, you want the game to do the thing you told it to do when you clicked, in darktide, like a sicko?

[zinc heath]

Yea shouls had said pre rework psyker

[manic wolf]

Even pre-(second) rework Psyker was pretty cracked for toughness generation

[unreal osprey]

real…

[fervent steppe]

was that reload speed bug for autoguns debunked or is it actually bugged?

[worn gull]

Some of the best dr and toughness dr abilities are towards the bottom of the tree too

Scum very backloaded

[vast plover]

the talents above the rampage keystones have all the passive toughness replenishment bonuses

[signal nebula]

everything good is at the bottom

incoming layout change 2026

[vast plover]

Precision violence is necessary necessary

it was sleeping on me until level 20 or so

[signal nebula]

excluding the mandatory toughness talents

but even then

[vast plover]

you are replenished per hit you deal

[signal nebula]

better toughness at bottom

realistically you are taking Precision in every single build

[shrewd spoke]

The fact hive scum gets a passive that gives them toughness for just ranged kills is a beauty

[vast plover]

it's driving with no suspension without it

[vale garden]

it really prioritises fast attacking melee, but theres weirdly not much consistent attack speed buffs

[vast plover]

it kind of is already integrated in desperado/vulture/stimm

try that build maxxed, you basically are in a play loop of boosting attack speed until you're a fiend

[vale garden]

those are all cd based is what im getting at

[hazy vector]

i start to think that hiver is not fragile at all

[vale garden]

or ramp

[hazy vector]

Actually al ot of toughness talents

[amber sundial]

theres a node that gives you 2% attackspeed per stamina

[vast plover]

i was doing desperado/stimm pack/attack speed stimm and it was pretty insane

[pale scaffold]

penetration is important on chainsword? Last 4 60s are penetration, 150k spent 🫃

[hazy vector]

as always, dump stat is moblity

[worn gull]

That's the thing, they get pretty tanky but only once you start getting more talent points. Very awkward teenager phase going into heresy.

[hazy vector]

who the hell cares about earlygame

no class is fun or good early game

[vale garden]

arbites was always op

[worn gull]

Arbites was ridiculous early game lol

[amber lotus]

Scum with recon lasgun would be fire

[hazy vector]

ok i have not played that

[worn gull]

Also early game matters for the like six hours you are stuck in early game

[hazy vector]

Exactly

[amber sundial]

any way to remove stimm labs * while not at max talent points spent

[hot nexus]

Right click them

[twilit canyon]

Does blessed stimms bypass wounds?

[shy scroll]

guys im not a smart man whats a blitz

[vale garden]

no

[young herald]

No, but I'm sure someone will make a mod for it sooner or later

[young herald]

Grenades

[vale garden]

grenade

or grenade like

[sturdy marsh]

That new map, in the craters, I think getting stuck has killed me more than anything else

[shy scroll]

would it work with chem toxin grenades?

[frigid thorn]

how much does slippery customer help? the one that lets you dodge melee attacks while sliding

[amber sundial]

do not use it with chem grenade

it'd only affect the inital explosion,

[young herald]

It does work, but chem grenades already apply more than enough stacks

It's a waste of a point

[shy scroll]

alright good point

[vale garden]

i imagine itll add 3 more stacks

[hot nexus]

Use it with blinders

[vale garden]

yep

[young herald]

Pocket toxin makes blackout nades a great aoe damage tool though

[shy scroll]

im trying to go chem based character do u guys reccomend stim ability?

[hazy vector]

you mean medcrate?

[hidden thorn]

what is the difference between the 2 marks for the needle pistol? i cant find what it is

[hazy vector]

difference in secondary mode

mk2 poisons enemies which on death spread 1 stack of chem to enemies nearby

the other one poisons enemies which on death staggers enemies nearby

[high gull]

stuggers

[hazy vector]

stuggers

[young herald]

Stim crate is whatever. In an organized group, it works for pouring damage into the psyker or whatever, but outside of that context is mostly just a meme with is best use being to run a 1 point stim with the exploding crates and cdr on stim ready effect

[hidden thorn]

thanks!

[bleak jetty]

The MK6 gives more chem stacks/damage on crits though, giving 1 instead of 2 like the MK2
So, if you're not really using the alt mode, mk6 is better

[lavish forge]

are the dual autopistols suppressed

[halcyon lodge]

Rampage being the only ability with a (hefty) downside makes it feel pointless imo...

[obsidian crown]

pretty sure I one shot chaos spawn with boomstick with someone's stim crate on damnation

[spring glacier]

I gotta say hivescum has made me play a bit differently.

Strong together because of all the team buffs the class can provide, but the moment someone goes down you can't go for the revive if the chaff amount is greater than 5 around them and you're the only one close to them you can't ignore the damage like you would with all the other classes.

Due to the squishiness of the class, I find myself prioritizing my own survival rather than that of my teammates.

Its fitting for the class but I'm thinking this was an unintentional consequence of the glass cannon niche

[hazy vector]

there is no suppresion mechanics in the game

[twilit canyon]

is uncontrolled aggression worth?

[lavish forge]

owo

[hazy vector]

i don't think their stamina is lower than anyone else's

[rare idol]

all scoomers use the same idle anims in the shuttle and its ridic

same timings even

[bleak jetty]

Not really, a glass canon class should delete 5 fodder. It's that there is not enough canon for this glass.

[hazy vector]

[warped quiver]

certified skill issue

[spring glacier]

Its not the stamina but rather the low amount of damage reduction available to the class that isn't brought about from a skill or the stimms

[hazy vector]

i see redditors leaked in herer

who let them in

[pale rain]

Ok, please correct me if I'm wrong. I've played ranged, and melee with this class. Haven't touched chemical yet.

I believe this class needs a buff somewhere to deal with carapace enemies and bosses. Ranged, melee doesn't really have this. Other classes has many ways of dealing with this consistently (I say consistently because rockets aren't sustainable).

So, my solution is to buff the melee weapons provided to deal with these enemies. Overall, the class deals with everything else quite well. It just fails against bosses and carapaces.

[warped quiver]

yuup

[hazy vector]

What the actual fuck damage reduction has to do with reviving

[warped quiver]

post it on reddit lol

[spring glacier]

As all the other classes you can just ignore 5 chaff for the immediate revive

[zealous ravine]

i LOVE FENT

[hazy vector]

You either not getting damaged through your stamina and you revive

or youare, and you don't

Damage reduction is non-factor here

[amber lotus]

Hive scum isnt that hard guys

[hazy vector]

besides, hiver does have enough damage reductgion talents

[amber lotus]

1. Malort
2. Win

easy class

[elder needle]

have you tried the shivs?

[zealous ravine]

hive scum has too much dr it should be dodge chance instead

[elder needle]

[zealous ravine]

give me that dodge build 🔥

[bleak jetty]

Not a redditor, just guy who's been hyped for the stimm pack 😔

[hazy vector]

in fact very easily accesable 40% damage reduction with just 2 talents

[obsidian crown]

shivs actually not bad vs crushers but against a horde? gl

[amber lotus]

Darcy, is that you?

[zealous ravine]

uh whom

[dim moth]

mmmm

[obsidian crown]

gotta pray no one takes the crusher kill from you so you get knife throw back

[dim moth]

heavy sword sweep attack one shots a mauler

[pale rain]

Yes, they're a joke compared to other class's melee weapons. Takes about 5-7ish hits to even kill a crusher. Most classes take at max 3.

[dim moth]

this hyper violence melee build might be a little quirky

[spring glacier]

Its not hard, its just made me develop a playstyle that I haven't for every other class

Not a bad thing

Just unique

[elder needle]

you can always use a rashad btw

[hazy vector]

bruh

just shut up

[amber lotus]

If youre too rich to buy malort you can use henny instead

[vale garden]

i havent worked out the hsword build yet

[hazy vector]

Shivs are insanely good at dealing with crushers

[pale rain]

No thanks.

[hazy vector]

Needle pistol is decent at it too

[alpine orchid]

Do the Dual Shivs have increased base crit chance? If so how much?

[hazy vector]

And then you have revolver

[dim moth]

yes, 12.5%

[hazy vector]

rocket launcher which just deletes crushers

and chem bomb

which also good against them

[spring glacier]

This class molests carapace man

[dim moth]

yeah

[sturdy linden]

guys I think I spotted the Arbi main.

[dim moth]

rocket, chem bomb, toxin at all

[dim moth]

uh

[amber lotus]

It takes me like 7 heavies with saw to kill carapace what am I doing wrong

[dim moth]

that is severely out of touch

[hazy vector]

Holy shit my IQ is dropping by me reading these takes

[pale rain]

psyker, zealot, arbi, and ogryn main. Yes, how did you know?

[dim moth]

I think only like 2 classes can consistently 3 shot crushers without expending a resource

Psyker and Veteran

[alpine orchid]

Thought I saw the class had 10% base crit as well, so Dual Shivs are 22.5% crit base? Or is that wrong

[frail berry]

So you main nothing

[hazy vector]

well zealot can one-shot

[dim moth]

yeah with FOTF

which is a resource

[hazy vector]

No?

[proud lichen]

Yea playing Psyker has seriously warped my perception of what is good damage and clear speed XD

[hazy vector]

With just t-hammer

[pale rain]

My ogryn, zealot and psyker can easily kill a crusher in 3 hits without spending a resource.

[frail berry]

With thammer

Stacked

But with thammer

[hazy vector]

also shroud + knife one-shots them too

and cooldown is short

[dim moth]

oh right I should've mentioned without self stunning too

[frail berry]

That's resource

[pale rain]

I play them all. I love all 5 classes for different reasons.

[dim moth]

also ogryn branx pickaxe

power maul special does that count as a resource?

[frail berry]

I think a stacked evis can one shot them

[hazy vector]

it used to, i don't think anymore

[pale rain]

Lol yeah, using one of the marks that does insane single target can kill a crusher in like 1-2 hits.

[hazy vector]

but have not tried

[tawdry frigate]

class is fun, I approve

[frail berry]

But that's a longer immobility than thammer

[dim moth]

but still 3 shotting a crusher is far from a common occurence on any class

[elder needle]

branx once you get stacks going is 1 tap everything

[dim moth]

without spending something to do so

[pale rain]

:/ I disagree. I have 3 classes that can easily do it. I'd have to look at my arbiter again. Pretty sure they can do it as well.

[elder needle]

with more mobility than a thammer

[frail berry]

I mean, any class can do it

[elder needle]

[hazy vector]

anyway point is, hiver is great at dealing with crushers

[spring glacier]

If you can't reliably kill crushers you need to redesign your build man

[pale rain]

I've been tweaking the ranged / melee on the hive scum and can't kill a crusher within 3 hits.

[hazy vector]

lower difficulty* tb h

[frail berry]

Vet with shovel, zealot with literally any heavy hitting weapon/knife or something, arby with maul, ogryn with pickaxe

Psyker with blaze gsword

[hazy vector]

no, it is not good for crushers

decent

but not that good

[frail berry]

But psyker with blaze gsword is a meat grinder

[pale rain]

I'm pretty sure the arbiter with the executioner shotgun can 3 shot a crusher in the face.

[lavish forge]

I LOVEEEEE the crowbar so much. It feels absolutely fucking brutal. the secondary mode with the beak forward and you pull the enemies down feels makes me feel like I'm in a snuff film or something

[frail berry]

He can do so with the arbites maul as well

[manic quarry]

My power maul og still takes out crushers easy. I usually have anti armor blessings/buffs or blessings that target things like them. The special attack with pmaul obliterates

[marble creek]

I can one shot a crusher w a heavy eviscerator powered up on Zealot wym

[pale rain]

I'll need to make my build it again. I think I went with more stagger than damage. But, I do remember crushers dying easily.

[frail berry]

Either stacked the fuck out of every single thing you can stack or fotf

No way it can one shot a crusher without constant crit on tick

[hazy vector]

also resources are not made equal

[pale rain]

Anyway, my point still stands. Hive Scum needs a buff in melee.

[marble creek]

hehe big chainsword go brrrtt

[frail berry]

What

[hazy vector]

Krak grenade requires longer to restore than for zealot's ults to cooldown

[manic wolf]

Idk, given its strengths against everything else, hiver being a little weaker into Carapace for a non-dedicated melee build is fine, thats why we have multiple classes in theory, so some are better at other things than others. Not that hiver sucks into Carapace ofc, you just have to play around it a bit more than just "fuck it we ball" like some other classes do

[amber lotus]

Teams in this game be like

"Oh no a poxwalker, better run halfway back to the map start"

"Omg scum why did you run ahead?"

[frail berry]

You got debuff cleaver, knife 2.0 and crowbar that has a mode dedicated to killing armoured enemies

[pale rain]

Go into the meat grinder and see if you can kill a crusher in 3 hits or less.

[azure mist]

Admittedly we say this and the Tac Axe kills them in like 6 swings but it does it with relative safety and speed

[dim moth]

yeah

safety and TTK are more important really

[azure mist]

So I don’t see a point really ever behind the “if you can’t kill a crusher under X swings it’s bad” argument

[dim moth]

scum's ways of killing crushers are all very safe because well...

toxin from a needle pistol

chem bomb

stimm supply

[azure mist]

Cracked movement

[dim moth]

throwing tox knives

[hazy vector]

I would say it is safe mostly because of big dodge

[dim moth]

and also scum is a slippery fucker

[high gull]

Hourly reminder: Stop trying to play Scrum like you play Zealot

[hazy vector]

come on, now you going too far

[azure mist]

They can kinda just run anything as long as they have map knowledge

[frail berry]

I'd rather be more tanky and be able to stall more than to kill a crusher in 3 hits or less

[azure mist]

Like being dead serious

[hazy vector]

tox knives don't do much

[pale rain]

The class shouldn't be built around it. But, it should be an option to deal with specific monsters based on your build.

[novel oracle]

You cant tell me what to do

[dim moth]

tox knives are identical to a needle pistol shot

[pale rain]

Ok, so you can't. Thanks.

[azure mist]

That’s how you get good with Scum tbh

[high gull]

https://media.tenor.com/tQAZPRWdoHIAAAAC/titanfall2.gif

[azure mist]

The moment you learn a map you become incredibly slippery to kill

[low harbor]

nah no way

[dim moth]

5 stacks on bodyshot, 6 on headshot/crit, 7 on headshot crit

[frail berry]

No the 900 something dmg per tick isn't much

[dim moth]

that's the shiv throwing knife special Imean

[novel oracle]

No its 4 on hit; +2 on headshot, +2 on crit

[azure mist]

Not even mentioning blinders + chem talent

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. I played more Zealot than any other class over the years an Hiver feels like Zealot, but with more mechanical demand, which is cool, its like "here, put into practice what you've learned over the last few years". I like that a lot

[oak bramble]

0/10 the mastery shivs dont look like candy cones

[hazy vector]

I playe dtoday zealot nad vet after maxing hiver to compare the feelings of playing. I would summise it as this:
Vet - precision
Zealot - power
Hiver - agility

[dim moth]

that's not what I saw in the pyskhanium tho

I had identical damage from a thrown knife and a needle pistol bodyshot

[hazy vector]

1 tox knife does not do 900 damage to carapace...

[frail berry]

I mean, idk, I have not maxed the class yet, but so far, it's overpacked from what I can see, and it's very good anyway.
And the weapons I listed are select few, most setups won't be able to do that

[hazy vector]

i think even 3 knives don't

[dim moth]

lemme go check it again

[frail berry]

Throw three

That's like

[dim moth]

max tox stacks on a crusher does up to 630 something with+carapace

[hazy vector]

That's 1 crusher, there are like 6 more around

[hazy vector]

30% less than 900 lol

[frail berry]

Good thing that you can attack them while you do that

[frail berry]

That's 33%

[dim moth]

also not super necessary

[pale rain]

The class definitely excels at certain roles. But, if you try to deal with certain units. It is incredibly hard for the class to deal with them.

[dim moth]

1 or 2 knives with tox talent will speed them to their death well enough

[rotund agate]

is Hyper-Critical a decent talent (to take on Rashad melee-scum)?

[novel oracle]

Im going off of what kuli has listed down

[hazy vector]

Hyper violence is better

[spring glacier]

You throw three and dodge around and backstab nearby chaff for more

[hazy vector]

I think hyper critical too talent-taxing?

[azure mist]

Look I can state that the biggest Achilles Heel to scum is the existence of gunners

[novel oracle]

No because it cancels out hyper violence which works better on most melee builds

[azure mist]

You have to respect them vs other classes

[hazy vector]

i keep forgetting that yourestore them on backstabs too, not just on elites

[frail berry]

Idk, it can manage ragers well, it can kill the units you listed just as well as a zealot with caxe would, I don't think it's bad

[spring glacier]

Or now thats there's only 2 you can just dance around them and deal with them in a relatively short amount of time

[novel oracle]

Hyper crit is good as a supplement to melee damage as a ranged build considering its location and low investment

[rotund agate]

I have taken Swift Endurance, so it would just be 1 point (then again, so would be Hyperviolence)

[vast ferry]

can't be worse than ogryns 😏

[hazy vector]

lol? Desperado literally makes you immune to ranged. If you are melee, then you have very long dodge and dodge slides to get close to them

[dim moth]

completely unrelated I tried heavy sword hyper violence and all I can say is

what the fuck

[azure mist]

And if desperado is down?

Lmao

[dim moth]

shit's killing like 12 enemies a swing 💀

[manic wolf]

Yes, but also no. Yes to non-Desperado builds, but with that, nah gunners are a non-issue

[azure mist]

It’s literally just play respectful when range is in play

[hazy vector]

Then you are no more vulnerable than other classes that don't take long ranged weaponry

[azure mist]

That’s all it boils down too

[hazy vector]

And if you take needle

then gunners are a joke

[dim moth]

okay kuli was right and evidently I was hallucinating

[radiant cosmos]

Immune to ranged with ability up
Immune to melee while sliding
lol

[manic wolf]

Needle kinda makes everything a joke

[spring glacier]

You can get a decent amount of ability cooldown with hivescum

[low harbor]

Yes

[toxic dagger]

yeah ok the crowbar goes hard. jesus

[tribal bane]

Has anyone noticed that the dual smgs amd stubbs don't eject cartradges?

[zealous ravine]

FEEENT FEEEEEENT

[low harbor]

Hypercrit + Hyperviolence is not bait

[hazy vector]

casual permanent 40% cdr on dependancy

[manic wolf]

Caseless ammunition. the Mechanicus must have found a new STC

[novel oracle]

I spent entire havoc 40s zooming around in and out of desperado being the dedicated "steal ranged aggro and kill them" guy

[hazy vector]

What makes it so? Mine is only power 300, so i don't see it yet

[sturdy marsh]

I think Im in love with the crowbar

[spring glacier]

Its not apocalyptic when desperado ends unless you played dumb and ran out into the middle of an open field

[dim moth]

bro I love being that guy

[low harbor]

Hypercrit makes Rashad crit HS 1 tap mauler

It’s quite insane

[hazy vector]

and don't even need desperado tbh, i did same as melee, just gotta use available cover smart and dodge/dodge slide a lot

[novel oracle]

I didnt need to use cover or dodge

[toxic dagger]

i was playing shivs rampage last night and today and then swapped to crowbar rampage build and the damage output is just crazy. this thing hits like a truck, very easy to build absurd hyperviolence momentum with. and i like the latch attacks for armor, pretty gud

[hazy vector]

Actualyl i never tried crowbar with melee build

[vast ferry]

The Gordon Freeman build

[main wagon]

Trying it out when you first get it? Kinda meh

Trying it out at level 30?
”Hello heretic. Front hand, or back hand?”

[young herald]

The problem with this pairing is that hypercrit shortcircuits the hyperviolence loop so it stops growing

[dim moth]

it has built in thrust doesn't it?

or something

[young herald]

Both are extremely good talents though

[dim moth]

I see a buff building whenever I hold a heavy on it

[main wagon]

Ye

Mini thrust

[low harbor]

No, on a Rashad u will intrinsically have more overkill going on than u will crit

[iron patrol]

i actually fucking went broke, holy shit

[toxic dagger]

yeah but you can just lightspam your way through a lot of stuff also when you have rampage and frenzy online

[main wagon]

It’s like 7.5% IIRC

[toxic dagger]

though that goes for a lot of weapons

[manic wolf]

Broke in Diamantine too, thats impressive

[spring glacier]

Should've invested in crypto

[toxic dagger]

I imagine rashad is insane

[low harbor]

If anything Hyperviolence enables BM to hit potentially more enemies for u to build Hyperviolence from

[steel granite]

H e l p

[main wagon]

Crowbar moveset is almost perfect

I wish the H2 was the H1 but aside from that

Glorious

[toxic dagger]

anyway it is definitely not worth to use the inbuilt thrust

[main wagon]

Uppercut that magnetizes to heads is still dope

[toxic dagger]

because hyperviolence is key

[dim moth]

well I mean if you're out of range anyways

[high gull]

oof

[toxic dagger]

any attack needs to happen within 1s of your last kill

[manic wolf]

Reddit, not even once

[toxic dagger]

brrrrrrt

[young herald]

I mean, if you're overkilling, hypercrit does nothing, and if you crit but don't kill, hypercrit means you kill it with 0 overkill and hyperviolence doesn't gain anything from that

[high gull]

Spent like 300k on a god roll pair of autos

[main wagon]

I spent a bunch of melkbux and got some good curios

I was so tired I actually forgot to spend more to get my final 17% toughness curio

[toxic dagger]

bedtime now, more crowbarring tomorrow. have fun everyone

[azure mist]

Isn’t hypercritical still bugged with precision violence

[main wagon]

Got a 21% HP curio on scum

[sturdy marsh]

The "pve games don't need balance" thing is one of my biggest pet peeves.

[azure mist]

I have like 3

Not a single toughness 17%

[iron patrol]

they are so gonna nerf the meth pistol

[azure mist]

Lmao

[low harbor]

This is what makes it sound bad but in practice, you’re still getting an elite 1 tap which enables BM to hit stuff behind (that u wouldn’t be able to without hypercrit’s instakill) where those enemies could be fodder enemies where hyperV is easily gained

Rashad just intrinsically builds more overkill than it will crit, these 2 do not conflict each other in overall usefulness

[amber sundial]

PVE games can generally have less strict balancing, but they still need some balance

[main wagon]

I’m so sorry Gale lmao

[young herald]

Hv can help you reach a higher breakpoint on hc crits, so there's a bit of value there, but hc shortcircuits the innate feedback loop from hv that is what makes it so insane

[azure mist]

40k melk bucks gone

[main wagon]

I got a 430 +3 Stam though so that’s nice

[azure mist]

4 16% toughness

NOT A SINGLE 430 STAM

[steel granite]

Yeah, I quit hd2 cuz the “no nerfs only buffs its a PvE game” crowd won out

[spring glacier]

God, gives me ptsd to when veteran was so overtuned that having one on the team meant it was going to be an extremely boring match where you did fuck all while the veteran played the game

[bronze glade]

Milk is such a scam

[vast ferry]

are you lvl30 yet

[azure mist]

Yes

Been 30

[vast ferry]

what a scammer

[main wagon]

Melk distributing 400 +3’s like a knockoff shoe salesman

[vivid crystal]

inferno staff psyker has that crown now 💀

[vast ferry]

😏

[hearty mango]

What do you guys think of running the fan hammer revolver with desperado? Are the uzis just better?

[rose flax]

Half life

[wanton prawn]

Wait there's a difference between 430 stam and 410?

[vivid crystal]

uzis with the right build are basically just a minigun

[quaint flax]

is hive scum better than zealot?

[vivid crystal]

put some rending on and you're tearing through everything

• reload speed is all it needs

[rose flax]

?

[fallen arrow]

They're much squishier than Zealots and cant frontline as well

[manic wolf]

I am very much debating doing it

[bronze glade]

Not really the same thing

[amber sundial]

no, the only thing that matters about curio score is any +3 stam below 410 is fake

[quaint flax]

so what’s the best class

[dim moth]

fanning revolver is extremely strong with desperado

and very fun

[rancid creek]

The anarchist personality is fun lol

[dim moth]

psyker

[main wagon]

I’m actually impressed they manage to make another unique experience

[manic wolf]

Playstyle/skill level dependent

[vivid crystal]

psyk

[main wagon]

I’ve been having a blast

[fallen arrow]

What do you take on the revolver?

[nocturne basalt]

fatshark is great with unique classes

[dim moth]

no

[rose flax]

No lol
Not even close, that's like saying the elf is better than the zealot in vermintide 2 just because she can do more dps/damage

[quaint flax]

ever since hive scum update has there been any changes to the classes?

[dim moth]

psyker is easy and strong

[north crow]

well, saw kills crushers the quickest, so imma be sawing

[dim moth]

uh there's this hive scum guy they're new

[quaint flax]

frontline and mid to high skill

[vivid crystal]

arbitrator shock mine got nerfed

[manic quarry]

Which Scum personality does the squeal/scream before ult? I wanna switch to her voice lol

[sturdy linden]

That philosophy exploded because of HD2 devs' bullshit and it had done irreparable damage to gaming discourse and I'm so fucking sick of it

[vivid crystal]

+30 second cooldown

[manic wolf]

Ah yeah, there was new reworks werent there, i forget, not played reworks thus far

[quaint flax]

what

[sturdy linden]

I refuse to play that game now

[azure mist]

7

I got 7 of those

Bro you don’t understand how annoyed I was

[manic wolf]

An tbh, now we have Scum, im probably not gonna either 😄

[azure mist]

I love fake 3 stams!

[nocturne basalt]

HD2 was fun but it never hit a difficulty level where it became more than just cool shit simulator

[manic wolf]

It might well be a fun game, but that community.. fuckin yikes man

[sturdy linden]

I genuinely think it has the worst community I've ever seen

[somber blade]

the mods was amazing in that game as well

[low harbor]

[woeful hill]

oof

[sturdy linden]

I really do think Darktide's community is better

Like, our reddit on its worst day is the HD2 discord on its best day

[nocturne basalt]

mordhau begs to differ

[dim moth]

darktide's community is nowhere near HD2 community

[somber blade]

we mostly have gooners and doom sayers

[amber sundial]

mordhau is its own ring of hell

[dim moth]

I would also second HD2 having worst community i've seen for a PvE game

[main wagon]

I’m preaching to the choir but you’d think by this second class update they would have patched it by now

[steel granite]

Nah hd2 community is fucking awful

[vivid crystal]

the great hive scum switchup is really funny tho 💀

[dim moth]

And I was a raid sherpa for Destiny 2 for several years xd

[high gull]

Do you just farm mortis all day wtf

[woeful hill]

no

[nocturne basalt]

darktide's community is genuinely fine like 90% of the time

[woeful hill]

I just dont spend any materials

[rose flax]

*scummers

[woeful hill]

and I get my H40 weekly

[manic wolf]

My condolences

[somber blade]

ngl probably gooners or people farming jesters

[nocturne basalt]

the worst I've ever seen it was the hive scum reveal

and that was barely bad

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/jxePoIQb5nE.gif

[nocturne basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/killing-people-gif-5197116140293768212

[high gull]

All the weirdos usually get chat banned and regulated to private discords

[main wagon]

The delay just for that reveal trailer

[sturdy linden]

That's like the average balance patch for HD2

[high gull]

that's about the saving grace of this community

[main wagon]

It looked harrowing for a minute

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/dfYhetL2NXo.gif

[steel granite]

But yeah idk what it is with pve games it just attracts the fucking “no nerf only buff” crowd… seen it in hd2, seen it in darktide… seen it in ffxiv. So on so forth

[high gull]

Like you can say some wild shit

But the unhinged crazies are usually shunned instantly

[cunning rain]

What works better with dual pistols? Crowbar or bone saw?

[manic wolf]

People are smoothbrained and expect every PvE game to be a powerfantasy that you dont have to earn

[somber blade]

its cause they wanna have cheap and easy thrills and have the illusion what they're doing is good

[vivid crystal]

people just like their stupid builds that turn the game off

[bronze glade]

Sounds like anarchist

[nocturne basalt]

its the epitome of "im a gamer and a dad "

i work a nine to five and everything needs to be good and easy to do

[vivid crystal]

it's why inferno staff psyker and honestly prolly chem nade shenanigans should probably catch some nerfs

they just turn the game off

that needler too

[somber blade]

tbf same shit happens in wow classic its insane but they also get mad when the game gets easier

[manic wolf]

Probably not tbh, Smite turns the game off an as far as I can tell, thats effectively the same as it was when it first released

[rose flax]

Not a real excuse when used like that, more entitled than not

[main wagon]

I do sympathize with them to a degree, bc on the surface it’s not necessarily irrational. If a game has a lot of options that are already thrown by the wayside, you don’t want to completely bury them with the inevitable power creep of new content

[vivid crystal]

true that, especially with the smite bug rn lmao

[amber lotus]

Good game design is that when one build is too strong you completely reengineer the difficulty of the entire game around it instead of making a number a smaller number

[manic wolf]

Oh there is a new one?

[nocturne basalt]

I think its okay since the squishiness of scum leads to them dying regardless esp on high difficulty

[amber lotus]

In related news the next update has been delayed again

[vivid crystal]

yea smite is scaling off itself recently :D

[nocturne basalt]

love me a new psycher bug

[rose flax]

Yeah tide series does this well

[amber lotus]

I was being sarcastic

[manic wolf]

It is truly hilarious when people argue for buffing everything else to compensate for one powerful thing, because thats such a good use of dev time

[manic wolf]

Ewwww

[amber lotus]

Making a number smaller is abusing the players, you should be tried at the hague for smaller number crimes

[steel granite]

The issue is that the “no nerfs only buffs” crowd literally says that. “Never nerf things in PvE games, instead you should buff everything to be as strong as the strongest weapon”

Often followed by “if the game becomes too easy then adjust the difficulty”

It’s literally power creep incarnate

[vivid crystal]

i hate running smite because it genuinely just annihilates everything pretty much

[spring glacier]

To be fair some of the weapons in the game could use a glow up, like the braced autoguns

[rose flax]

?
You want bullet sponges instead of a challenge without the annoyance?
Chaos faction in space Marines 2

[sturdy linden]

Except I actually am a gamer and a dad. The only people who like cheap and easy dopamine are the mentally and emotionally stunted.

[narrow epoch]

this class is nerfed hard

[sturdy linden]

Who cannot stand to be challenged

[manic wolf]

Absolutely, noone would argue otherwise, but there is a measure of sensibility applied to the thought. Like Autoguns do need a buff, but does everything need to be as strong as the Rumbler? No. No it fucking does not

[zealous basin]

No it's not it's a glass cannon

[narrow epoch]

music stops when you use desperado

unacceptable

[amber lotus]

I feel like we're having two different conversations

[main wagon]

Yeah the complete lack of any nuance is what makes them stupid dooodoo brains

[zealous basin]

I think hive scum is fun and engaging and forces you to play better

[narrow epoch]

im joking, talm bout the music stopping when using desperado

its so annoying

The music should get louder

[elder needle]

chainaxe is uh, very good in this class?

[zealous basin]

Nvm you're right hive scum is unplayable

[somber blade]

ye sure please keep us at our current power we're so bad

[rose flax]

Yeah carnival has that bug where music plays twice multiple times while playing the same music lol

[vivid crystal]

desperado honestly kinda removes most of the glass cannon aspect to the class tbh

[nocturne basalt]

I mean more specifically the people who use that as an excuse to complain about stuff, nothing wrong about dads playin games

[dim moth]

yeah brautos need a buff

[vivid crystal]

i've just been ignoring half the game since i got enhanced despo

[zealous ravine]

this is so sad can w buff hive scum to 500 toughness

[spring glacier]

I work a pretty long day job but darktide wasn't a hard game to learn.

It was especially made easier with all of the guides and videos that are out there.

I could sit down during my lunch and just read or watch a video and put the new knowledge into play.

[dim moth]

I think shredder autopistol has a niche

infantry autogun is a death laser that instantly kills whatever you point it at

vigilants are very good minimal investment precision weapons

[manic wolf]

Yeah, critspam, but is it good? Ehhh, not really

[rose flax]

I'm sorry then, I don't understand

[amber lotus]

unlike the people who wank about being better gamers than the "Im a gamer and Dad" people, a sure sign one is well socially adjusted

[dim moth]

high mobility weapon that can sprint while shooting and has high suppression

[zealous basin]

Yes it does and they need to give rumbler infinite ammo and magazine size is what you meant to say

[dim moth]

also very good maniac damage

[main wagon]

IMO the cooldown period is a lot more evident on high diff than the leveling grind

[dim moth]

I use it as a sidearm on zealot solely to help get into melee

[main wagon]

When you’re just in heresy you can basically stop playing Darktide and play Wolfenstein

[spring glacier]

Currently got plenty of time to burn because of a few broken bones in my left foot lol

[vivid crystal]

dependency stacks help that lots tho

[main wagon]

Troo

[tardy citrus]

Is it a known issue foor the DLC to buy tthe deluxe edition but not have access to the full body tats?

[vale garden]

I swear weapon swap registering is like 3x worse on scum, but its probably just cause of how much youre clicking the buton

[vivid crystal]

just kinda swapping between stimming and despo i dont notice the cd too too much

[manic wolf]

Thats fair, I absued it on old Psyker to proc Mettle repeatedly and become almost unkillable, but that was the only time I could get any real DPS out of it an thats purely because of massive crit stack

[vivid crystal]

combining both is just ridiculous with the autopistols

[calm aurora]

yeah, you should deco and reco

[main wagon]

I use Vulture’s and it’s still pretty minimal, but that’s still a period where you aren’t invincible

[limber cradle]

Brunt hath blessed me with a 420 +3 stam curio

[somber blade]

ye check pins

[broken moss]

it really is.

[zealous basin]

It makes it so you don't get fucked over by gunners while you're playing the game it doesn't negate it desperado would be fucking rough to play without gunner immunity

[dim moth]

guarantee weapon swap mod my beloved

[steel granite]

Tbh I wish there was a more clear indicator of when desperado is fading ngl… maybe it’s just that I’m blind and skill issues but there’s been a bunch of times where I’m pushing a group of shotgunners/gunners/reapers and desperado runs out and I get turned into Swiss cheese.

[broken moss]

broken

[mighty belfry]

broke

[main wagon]

Stim also has a weird delay after you use it unless you like swap weapons or pop desperado

[vivid crystal]

it makes a little sound as it gets closer to ending that gets faster near the end of the duration

[manic wolf]

It ends before the visuals and audio aspects of it do, thats why. You can adjust for it, but it feels wonky

[vivid crystal]

kinda like a heartbeat

[main wagon]

Got me killed once

[spring glacier]

Could be better but it's all about positioning.

Gotta always be ready to bolt or have a safe spot when it does run out

[mighty belfry]

updated and it's been bugging out and locking my inputs

[dim moth]

fixed :)

[zealous basin]

I've actually not had weapon swap bug on scum once which is surprising cuz on zealot I'd try and take out my bolter and die because it switched to my melee 8 times

[steel granite]

Simply never swap weapons you see. Only autopistols

[broken moss]

thankfully none of my mods were gameplay altering and just GUI stuff or this patch would have really killed it for me

[zealous basin]

This guy gets it

[main wagon]

I want a microwave ding when my Stim is off CD

[broken moss]

oh amazing

[vivid crystal]

that's what im saying

[broken moss]

any word on the other stuff? scoreboard etc

[novel quest]

what does each hitmarker mean? is orange a crit or a weakspot?

[silver mural]

Microwave ding would go hard

[broken moss]

I really miss my ui

[silver mural]

Crit i think

[zealous basin]

I want a HUD that isn't taking my eyes away from the action

[vivid crystal]

if stimms were just slightly more obvious when it's ready i'd have zero complaints about the class

[novel quest]

what about double line and blue?

[iron patrol]

orange is crit, double hitmarker is a weakspot

[vivid crystal]

even a little sound like psyker scrier's gaze being over

[dim moth]

I don't know I've used PowerDI the BETTER scoreboard ever since I heard about it

[zealous basin]

Speaking of which is crosshair HUD updated if anyone knows