hivescum-class

[livid raven]

i mean

[torn ember]

Hyper-Violence needs you to overkill things, Hyper-Critical prevents you from overkilling things

[iron patrol]

yes, i just said vet cause i was comparing them to kraks and chems, he has access to chem nades which kills more than 1 crusher at the same range you can shoot it

[lusty egret]

oh i see i see, but as far as improving the build i came up with?

[vernal sluice]

Opposite of synergystic picks. Antagonistic? Idk lol

[reef spoke]

Toxin DoT obliterates armor

[iron patrol]

needle pistol applies dot no matter what unless its a shield

[livid raven]

it sucks against voidshield tho

[reef spoke]

True

[unreal osprey]

oh i havent tried it yet, ive been using the dual autos and the shivs

[iron patrol]

shivs are solid, dualies hit different when 3 gangers unload at the same time

[rare idol]

i just had a clutch where i spent ten minutes killing thru the entire fucking base of the tank mission. then after i rez one guy he fucks off randomly whiel the game spawns an entire burster wave on me

[spark gyro]

What range weapon should I be using if I'm focusing on melee? Needle gun?

[vale maple]

Dual Uzi’s or Dual Pistols

[torn ember]

If you really need to kill a Crusher right now, especially multiple Crushers, especially at range, then they're better than Chem grenades becuase Chem grenades take several seconds to kill a Crusher. Outside of that specific instance, Chem grenades are way, way better.

[iron patrol]

yeah

[reef spoke]

Extremely potent DoT, you'll like it a lot vs armor

[rare idol]

meanwhile the other two guys dont get revived because the idiot has fucked off and then i finally die and ofc he goes down seconds later

[obsidian crown]

If they made it so you could regen boomstick ammo, that would be super good anti armor

[idle ocean]

Fellas… is this crazy talk? I’ve been rocking this with the shivs and needle pistol

[leaden fable]

Dual autos plus rending stim shreds crusher squads

[torn ember]

Different builds

[rare idol]

im losing my mind lol

[reef spoke]

Needle pistol or stub pistols imo they both combo well

[idle ocean]

Pretty fun so far

[ancient basin]

the stagger and dot allows you to escape bad situations where you get pincered and surrounded

[iron patrol]

except they have this god awful pull out time so even that isnt that applicable

[torn ember]

oh wait that probably wasn't a question

[rain snow]

For anyone interested, the penance seems to be bugged, or at least is calculated in a weird way. It only starts counting the progress towards it after your stacks drop from 3 to 2 (or 4 to 3 if you have the node), so even if you had 2000s in a row, it will only save this progress after the stack dropped.

[north meteor]

isn't hyper critical just better

[unreal osprey]

but then i have to give up the funny attack speed stim :(

[ancient basin]

chem flash, no longer surrounded

[vale maple]

Is Dual pistol decent on a desperado build

[torn ember]

I am aware, which is why the range is a factor

[hazy vector]

any you want?

[torn ember]

It works but I'd rather go Autos

[rare idol]

i just cant even, how stupid you gotta be to not go for the revives after watchign some dude murder the entire map

[reef spoke]

You need to crit and my luck is bad :c

[ancient basin]

smaller clip means more reloads, so get lots of reload speed

[rare idol]

"yeah i really need to go find some plasteel, its critical"

[ancient basin]

if running depserado

[lusty egret]

any advice on how to improve it? or is it good as it is? I'm thinking if this could work in h40

[north meteor]

yea but if you have 70%+ crit it should be better

[reef spoke]

A bot had to revive me

Randoms deserve worse

[arctic steppe]

what exactly are u using tho

[lusty egret]

bonesaw (shred+decimator) and bolt pistol (surgical+puncture)

im still looking for the 17 thg curios, but i run them cdr, more toughness and revive speed

[covert lagoon]

man with all 4 hivescums i gotta run the toughness regen and attack speed in stim lab so people can survive for bit longer

[rose flax]

Does anyone know the shiv sprint cost?

[manic wolf]

Weird... not noticed that, but that being said recoil in Darktide is uhhh... kinda a joke a lot of the time. Weird system they have going on for that

[rose flax]

Not on pc

[unreal osprey]

damn you fatshark

[livid raven]

do you know how toughness regen works

unfortunately, it's not good

[lusty egret]

with 3x12 revive speed i can revive someone with the blackout stagger, so it is nice

[torn ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pcwxn5/the_50_recoil_stimm_effect_gives_to_uzi50_recoil/

[livid raven]

i suggest you swap to something more killy because imo the top left stim is pretty bad

[manic wolf]

Revive speed is p'much a meta pick for most classes tbh

[lusty egret]

yea, love revive speed

[torn ember]

Wasted stat, just get better teammates that don't go down

(/s)

[reef spoke]

This implies teammates don't instant leave after being downed

[arctic steppe]

im probably not the best person to give advice on this since ive literally only used the shivs and stub pistols but i'd for sure replace targeted toxin

[manic wolf]

The average pug match would like some words 😄

[fast wind]

True, thats playing to expect failure

[manic wolf]

Well aint that goofy

[torn ember]

I was seeing people insta-leave on getting downed in Uprising yesterday like wtf

[wanton prawn]

Try ŦřaʼnsğenderKingVon

You gotta slot in unusual characters until it lets you in

[manic wolf]

How do you even get downed in Uprising??

[wanton prawn]

Alternatively, swap the cahracters yourself using
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3393409340

[reef spoke]

It's wild. People really leaving on Malice lol

[bronze glade]

Eh

[unreal osprey]

why the fuck is transgender censored

[torn ember]

I saw some shit yesterday man

[bronze glade]

I will say revive speed has become more important

With these pub teams lmfao

[torn ember]

I unlocked Malice, clicked Quickplay, and loaded into Rolling Steel

[reef spoke]

I saw a lvl 1 get beamed by a sniper

[vernal sluice]

On my first ever hvs game 2 out of 4 other scummers died

[bronze glade]

At least five revives in every 15 minute match

[fast wind]

had an ogryn die up a ledge on uprising at the start of a mission we couldnt reach him so when he died he left

[manic wolf]

An generally in Havoc because there are gonna be times people go down an the windows to get them up again are p'tight at times

[reef spoke]

Its funny because its just the sniper basically

[wanton prawn]

Eh, probably something horrific. Some transphobic name used

[bronze glade]

Fair though idc about the meme mode

[arctic imp]

Some of us like the torture

[obsidian crown]

I wonder why. What could it be? Not like it’s a controversial topic these days

[torn ember]

I'd play more Havoc if I didn't have to use the damned party finder to do it

[manic wolf]

I've seen a lot of folks dying in Aurics whilst getting the last few levels, but I wonder how much of that is down to people getting used to Arby and then being shocked this character isnt a super-tank with a free dog save

[bronze glade]

Yeah CBT isn’t my fetish

[reef spoke]

I wish some words like "dealer" and "fent" weren't blocked

[weary pebble]

People's existence shouldn't be controversial. Hope this helps.

[livid raven]

probably the most cowardly filter

[bronze glade]

The censorship is real lol

[arctic imp]

I have to admit after maining arbites it was a nice shock, but then I realized you can just abuse dodge on hive scum with the crowbar AND the shivs

[livid raven]

you can't even type hivescum in chat i think

[obsidian crown]

Don’t aim this at me. I’m just saying

[livid raven]

or hive scum

[manic wolf]

Either "Coca" or "Wheeler" is blocked too, didnt spend the time to work out which one, but yeah, there is a lot of that it would seem

[reef spoke]

I had to settle with something boring like "GW_Enforcer"

[wanton prawn]

I don't get the crowbar billhook moode. I keep dying using it :(

[unreal osprey]

^ blocking any mention of the topic isnt "avoiding controversy"

[weary pebble]

Don't paint a target on your face then dawg

[torn ember]

Elite deleter with a side of perma-stagger. Don't use on hordes

[manic wolf]

Yeah, you can certainly abuse dodges, but thats kinda more dependent on your inputs as opposed to Arb just being like "have all the toughness regen and DR"

[arctic imp]

It’s controversial because there is a large group of people that dont agree with you. I don’t think that guy was disagreeing, just stating the obvious of some people dont have sense

[obsidian crown]

Are you an idiot? It personally doesn’t bother me but I have enough awareness to know why it’s censored

[toxic dagger]

It's probably censored to avoid transphobic character names

[hot edge]

h40

[arctic imp]

We should censor drugs next

[reef spoke]

They do

[torn ember]

They already censored Fent 🙁

[manic wolf]

This seems the most likely (logical) answer yeah

[arctic imp]

I named my character xanae and realized it’s too close to xanax. but I like the name

[weary pebble]

I moonlight as a dummy, yeah

[reef spoke]

Pretty sure trans being blocked has been for a while too

[manic wolf]

I wonder if "Lucy in the Sky..." would be censored

[leaden lark]

So that nicknames like "transgendersucks" can't be used. Or at least that sounds very likely. Difficult to guess what people are gonna do with the word.

Well, Hank already said the same thing

[rare idol]

just go with ransrender

[reef spoke]

It's just annoying that they added the Drug class then they ban using Drug names

[dim moth]

I've still had to report some blatantly transphobic character names despite

[manic wolf]

Alright Scooby-doo, calm down 😄

[arctic imp]

That’s true and also why my hands were hurting playing hive scum after never ever giving me trouble on anything else

[limber cradle]

I already saw some god awful Scum names tbh

[dim moth]

Which like...who goes out of their way to name their character in a videogame that?

[vernal sluice]

Ruh roh raggy we're bypassing name restrictions

[dim moth]

How does something occupy someones headspace that much

[limber cradle]

Severely socially maladjusted people

[vocal saffron]

Obsessed

[reef spoke]

To be fair it goes both ways

But yeah I get what you mean

[arctic imp]

I’d like to think it’s the same people that make police jokes in bad taste. So a ton of arbites names

[limber cradle]

I saw a scum named "black fatigue" which was just

[torn ember]

... wait, is "Phent" blocked?

[reef spoke]

Can you blame them? I can't even use "Dealer"

[limber cradle]

Arb players are genuinely the worst, who would've guessed the ultra fascist cops attract that crowd

[obsidian crown]

Best name I’ve ever seen was in BF6. “Shaving Ryans Privates”

[manic wolf]

Lule

[vernal sluice]

Me laughing at the 150th arb player named bodycam-off 😐

[dim moth]

I don't think the fucked up cop names are as bad

Because they're bad jokes but at least they're actually not meant to be serious

[reef spoke]

Fatshark banning the name "Judge" on Arbites UwU

[hazy vector]

And yeah, holy shit people playing new map actually mentally deficient

[vernal sluice]

I didn't intend to compare them, just remark that theyre bad and overdone yeah

[arctic imp]

Big empty space 😔 lot of guns

[toxic dagger]

If you pay close attention you'll find that they never actually make an outright reference to drug use

[arctic steppe]

just have plenty of attack speed and toughness regen and guns mean nothing

[abstract onyx]

i die from like a little nick is that normal at 15

[vernal sluice]

And a new class that's weak in big empty spaced with a lot of guns 😈

[restive raptor]

How you guys the New class so far?

[reef spoke]

Yeah but you know what I mean

[vernal sluice]

Fatshark more like evilshark

[fervent steppe]

Has anyone found a build that is actually useful? So far this class feels very sub-par.

[hazy vector]

modern censorship is so stupid

[unreal osprey]

look pins

[frigid thorn]

For the cooldown stims, I have to apply them AFTER my ability goes on cooldown, right?

[torn ember]

What level are you

[hazy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-look-at-gif-13614061

[fervent steppe]

30

[reef spoke]

Hiding behind a thin veil doesn't mean no one can see

[ruby kelp]

whats the difference in the needle pistols marks?

[arctic imp]

You need to level up. I’m sure there are some attached leveling builds, but seriously it won’t feel very good till you level up

[leaden lark]

class is a true glass cannon with like a billion damage nodes but literally the worst toughness regen and 0 tdr or dr

[torn ember]

Fascinating

[unreal osprey]

god forbid fatshark do any moderation instead of it lazily banning the words outright

[vernal sluice]

This has been going back many decades

[toxic dagger]

Check cole's pinned message, especially the last build

With dual autopistols

[dim moth]

every game since the history of ever has done both]

[toxic dagger]

That shit is hilariously strong

[vernal sluice]

Fallout had to rename drugs to chems in order to satisfy censors worldwide

[unreal osprey]

hadron just said something about how we arent getting skitarri during the new mission

[dim moth]

MMOs learned this shit back when fucking runescape was the big dog on the block

[random shuttle]

AHa!

[vocal saffron]

Im still pissed we cant put numbers in our character names

[torn ember]

(technically it has 10 TDR that is mandatory to take and a few actual DR nodes)

[manic wolf]

I have to preface this by saying I dont agree with using your freedom of speech to be a c*nt, but yes, its a little bit silly that in an 18+ game we're stopped from making a whole bunch of punny names because 0.0001% of the populous have skin like rice paper and are set off by the slightest thing

[uneven rune]

Would a single gunner res trait on curio be worth it for this class

[limber cradle]

Desperado is absolutely catching a nerf tbh

[arctic imp]

I felt like I couldn’t make much work besides desperado while leveling

[vocal saffron]

But we can put numbers for our cybermastiffs

[random shuttle]

now its the most important part about finishing completion of my Scum

[high gull]

It was medx and it was because of Australia banning it

[vocal saffron]

Grr..

[random shuttle]

Naming weapons

[obsidian crown]

Nah

[dim moth]

You have to police hatred, and that means chat filters, profanity filters, and punishing people who weasel around them

[uneven rune]

Chat's moving so fast no one will see I'm gay.

[high gull]

MedX use to be named morphine

[arctic imp]

I really don’t think so. You can do crazy things but all classes can

[toxic dagger]

The build revolves entirely around desperado, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work

[vocal saffron]

Had to weasel around the number ban by typing roman numerals

[reef spoke]

Buff to make it cooldown during use pls UwU

[vernal sluice]

1)That has nothing to do with what I said
2) I am talking about the original Fallout from 1997

[warped quiver]

christ the stimm crate sucks balls

[limber cradle]

Sold

[tender marten]

I'd rather words just be banned outright. Your life will not be meaningfully derailed because your fantasy character in a video game can't have the exact set of letters you wanted, and the types of people who would abuse those words can just fuck right off, frankly.

[arctic imp]

I just meant while leveling it was hard to use anything but desperado

[frigid thorn]

Does Cooldown regeneration from the stimm lab only apply AFTER Rampage goes on cooldown? Like I inject myself with the Kalma stim AFTER Rampage goes on cooldown?

[unreal osprey]

fair enough

[torn ember]

correct

[leaden lark]

yes

[zenith pagoda]

Does the explosion needle do less DOT damage?

[toxic dagger]

Oh! Well I'm all about rampage myself but it's a bit harder to play

[frigid thorn]

Ok cool, just making sure I use drugs at the right time lmao

[torn ember]

same damage techincally, but it only applies 3 stacks instead of 5

[toxic dagger]

Makes me feel cracked though

So much melee dmg...

[frigid thorn]

I'm having a lot more fun leveling Rampage over desperado

[zenith pagoda]

Ah thank you

[novel quest]

it's good for corruption heal and being a team player but WHO CARES ABOUT THAT just be SELFISH AND RUN THE HEAL CORRUPTION WHILE STIMM IS ACTIVE PERK

[arctic imp]

The explosion needle is actually kinda useless. Make sure to use the AOE poison one instead of the regular explosion

[dim moth]

do you think the chem grenade is good

[bronze glade]

The sounds ass lol

[tender marten]

Plus the effort it takes to actively moderate and weigh in on cases like that is a massive waste of time. 90% of it is dealing with bad actors while actual rational/emotionally stable people met with this roadblock go "Oh. Oh well!" and move on wih their life.

[manic wolf]

Rampage is great... till it runs out an you catch a stray shot, then, it hurts bad

[torn ember]

It actually works quite well if you shoot a few into a horde but it's not really worth using ammo for that

[vernal sluice]

I am a bit cagey about trying out rampage

[torn ember]

Fun gimmick tho

[bronze glade]

If only booby trap range was larger…

[low harbor]

it's insane

[toxic dagger]

Fatshark is also a small company with like 2 and a half support staff

[high gull]

People still get away with naming their character's shit

[low harbor]

best grenade in the game

[vernal sluice]

Desperado is so good I feel like I'll fold without it 🥀

[arctic imp]

I definitely don’t think the DR you get while in rampage is enough for such a fragile class. You can take hive city brawler for the extra reduction but still

[toxic dagger]

They can't moderate a playerbase with access to uncensored names

[manic wolf]

Its very strong, but unless you're 100% on the ball, it can also cause your demise easily

[torn ember]

wait where crowbar

[dim moth]

I don't care about the range I care that it takes FIVE seconds for my "instantly kill everything that isn't an ogryn" bomb to go off >:(

[tender marten]

And you can report them (I do) and then block them (Also do).

[toxic dagger]

You have to dodge everything, yes.

[toxic dagger]

It also has the sickest dodges though

[novel quest]

don't be scared of the Exhaustion afterwards, it's a great ability you just have to play around it and have Rampage uptime for as long as possible

[neat delta]

On needle gun. I'm guessing the dumpstat is damage?

[tender marten]

sicc af dodges bro

[torn ember]

[dim moth]

so sick my ass is dodging straight over railings on stairs

[reef spoke]

Or stopping power

Either one works

[random shuttle]

All stats but Ammo are dumps on Needle

[warped quiver]

I haven't tried, I spam blind nade

[amber sundial]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GwiAai1aoAAkxS8.gif

[arctic imp]

I did stability. Because I want my baby needle to do as much damage before daddy toxin steps in

[high gull]

This class gotta be the funniest skill diff for people who heavily leaned into Arby or Zealot face tanking everything.

[ruby kelp]

thats why u just dont get hit like a zealot and just bash anyuthing before it kills u

[manic wolf]

Least fussy weapon award for that thing ngl

[unreal osprey]

dedicating my life to nurgle just to get slimed out by the "tomahawktua"

[toxic dagger]

That's pretty much what's happening, yes.

[tender marten]

Current rumour is that Nimble is bugged and actually reduces your dodge window time by 50% instead of increasing it. I'm 99% sure this is false and simply cope from people trying to navigate the first actual glass cannon class (ignoring really old school Gunker).

[torn ember]

Gotta get 80 mobility for maximum Stripped Down uptime lmao

[toxic dagger]

I played like that on Ogryn for 1200 hours and now Scum is forcing me to become Neo instead and I'm so excited about it

[manic wolf]

It definately is not bugged

[frigid thorn]

is Uncontrolled Aggression worth taking, or nah

[novel quest]

it really demands a different playstyle. if I didn't have experience with Psyker I'd probably have been cooked

[toxic dagger]

This shit is gonna make me so much better

!!!

Lets goooo

[arctic imp]

the shiv lacks stagger so you have to rely on dodging, but that’s easy to do. It’d be cooler if rampage actually made you much harder to kill but I understand why they didn’t do that

[warped quiver]

I never expected it to devour my cartel stimms
like what's the point then
at least give me dependency stacks then

[tender marten]

I'm very sure it isn't, yeah.

[vernal sluice]

I've heard hyperviolence is bugged too is that true?

[tender marten]

Don't know the talent looks like ass so I haven't used it.

[low harbor]

for adrenaline, take killing blow + 4s + TGH/s
it's a lot of points but it's worth

[unreal osprey]

my highest level classes are arb and zealot im having a great time eating every crusher overhead

[high gull]

I was tossed into the deep end as a lvl 6 ganger on auric and got folded like a paper napkin

[toxic dagger]

Rampage with shivs really likes blackout nades for that reason

[high gull]

I will say this much right...

[ruby kelp]

i wouldnt use rampage with shiv, feels like its better with the saw and crowbar

[high gull]

And I dunno if people will agree

Playing ganger makes you learn good game sense

[arctic imp]

I agree, i tried shiv and tried crowbar and crowbar felt much better

[novel quest]

it does

[toxic dagger]

I love rampage shiv

[frigid thorn]

Oh yeah, how come you take the 4s over the one that extends adrenaline frenzy to 20 seconds?

[novel quest]

it rewards skillful play tenfold

[vernal sluice]

Chat has judged this as true

[tender marten]

i love shiv period

[manic wolf]

For sure, noticed a massive uptick in being able to leverage the kit properly with that skill, im not gonna say its a must pick just yet, but it certainly leans into the class identity very well

[random shuttle]

Fully agree - Ganger is a great way to rapidly learn how Dorktide works

[torn ember]

I don't want to use Rampage Shiv because I dont' want Carpal Tunnel

[low harbor]

killing blow is the strongest subnode for it because u get 15 stacks on any melee elite kill
2 kills to proc frenzy lol

[tender marten]

the chem toxin dot is just enough to drop any special below havoc and i love that

[ruby kelp]

idk im weird rampage feels like it calls for the saw and desparado calls for the shivs

[vernal sluice]

You CANNOT play ganger at all if you have no sit awareness or map knowledge

[high gull]

Plus it's also fun to just hose down hordes of literally EVERYTHING except crushers with the dual autos

[toxic dagger]

But I will try rampage crowbar tonite

[dim moth]

also the dodge distance from Nimble makes dodging faster than sprinting

[ruby kelp]

i havent tried the last one yet

[vernal sluice]

You will just fold

[arctic imp]

I wish assists counted for blackout nades. It feels like I never regen any unless I’m away from my team

[low harbor]

if u play aggressive enough u can prob drop the 4s upgrade too

[reef spoke]

Ganger's survival stuff doesn't kick in until the end so you got to learn fast lol

[pastel wasp]

so are the dual daggers just worse than the knife but you get the cool special attack?

[arctic imp]

Very good survival stuff

[unreal stirrup]

skill issue ig

[manic wolf]

Shiv is also cracked with Hypercritical, tbh that talent is gona make a whole bunch of underperforming melee weapons at least passable now

[arctic imp]

The 30% on being shot is amazing

[abstract onyx]

i dont think a pure melee build is for me but i havent unlocked the needle pistol yet so i cant try a rpure toxin build

[ruby kelp]

ganger felt like it had no damage till i hit 10/15

[tender forge]

Came by to drop in, was doing fine up until heresy

[novel quest]

literally my only complaint is how hellish it is to level if you're not doing karnak twins suicide rush

[manic wolf]

Looking forward to trying it with D'Claws

[tender marten]

what's bonkers to me is that Regained Posture has NO INTERNAL COOLDOWN so you can proc it several times per dodge and just flood your stamina back in a fight ez fucken pz

[tender forge]

Heresy has not gone well

[low harbor]

deserved for playing psyker

[tender forge]

[livid raven]

feel about the same to me

[frigid thorn]

Ahhhh ok, so basically you want the 4s node so that you don't lose your stacks so you have some time to kill elites to quickly stack frenzy again

[low harbor]

4s is good insurance
the main draw is killing blow

[high gull]

It's funny how everyone shares the sentiment that this class is by far the most agonizing to level.

[arctic imp]

with the stamina regen you really don’t even need that, just make sure to go back and forth between pushing and dodging

[vernal sluice]

GET DOORNAILED

[low harbor]

15 stack on melee elite kill is INSANE

[torn ember]

Even without elites, killing blows give 5 stacks which means 6 kills is enough to trigger Adrenaline

[arctic steppe]

4 second node is pointless u get so many stacks with killing blows

[torn ember]

which is excellent uptime in hordes

[livid raven]

imo the class is pure pain to level until you get pickpocket

[tender marten]

It's excessively important if you are running Rampage.

[manic wolf]

COVID gun lmaooooooooo

[low harbor]

if u play aggressive enough u can do just killing blow + TGH/s

[arctic imp]

Oh that’s so true

[tender marten]

Well maybe not excessively. But I do love it for that reason.

[frigid thorn]

That makes sense. I thought I'd have to take the one that extends the duration to 20 seconds but I guess if you're literally getting max stacks every 2 elite kills you don't need it lmao

[tender forge]

Me spending 5 minutes fighting the first clown car of ragers in gloriana, only for 2 more trains to come

I literally could not kill fast enough

[low harbor]

nah it's just
kill 2 elites in melee every 10s

not a hard ask

[frigid thorn]

yeah that makes sense LOL

[tender forge]

I need uncanny lol

[low harbor]

rampage + frenzy + swift endurance + hyperviolence gives rashad >powersword dps lmao

[tender forge]

And the chem toxin part of the tree

[low harbor]

so strong

[frigid thorn]

do you have a build for rashad btw bath?

[sturdy linden]

This class is a great way to understand just how bad you are at this game

[frigid thorn]

you turnt me on the rashad in veteran so now you must juice me up for hiver

[tender forge]

Remake vet rashad pogryn kill with ganger

[hazy vector]

Who, me?

[torn ember]

... well then

[high gull]

Some parts of the chemist tree need a good looking at ngl.

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[unkempt salmon]

I love new players
I don't love it when they commit suicide by Poxburster in Heresy

[mild minnow]

Im sorry is th estrat to hivescum to ignore defenses and spam stamina

[high gull]

But overall if you wanna run a team support build, chemist is really nice.

[low harbor]

kinda

[calm trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

[livid raven]

i saw an arbites in heresy melee a downed poxburster

[manic wolf]

Doing the Heresy part of the level up process is a crazy ride. You see some things man

[tender forge]

I love it when the true survivor decides to be john rambo at the burster

[livid raven]

i have no idea what he was thinking

[tender forge]

In front of me

[arctic imp]

I felt it was pain to level till you got the toughness regen on ranged dmg. Then you have some consistent regen. It only sucks that in things like havoc you will only have a moment to react to the gun fire

[calm trellis]

lower levels are pain

[torn ember]

I saw a level 8 vet run up to a Daemonhost and just stare at it, then panic and try to run away when it got angry
Poor little guy

[random shuttle]

okay

[tender forge]

I'm at 13 now

[random shuttle]

time to try Auric with that boy

[novel quest]

do people not know to push Poxbursters back?

[bronze glade]

Heresy pubs are something. They convinced me to take rez speed

[frigid thorn]

Based on what I know about the Rashad I put together this

[livid raven]

but we did push it back, but it wasn't activating so it was just downed

[novel quest]

oh LMAO

[vernal sluice]

On hs?

Lmao

[livid raven]

bro just smashed him with the mace

[frigid thorn]

skipped all the cleave talents since Brutal Momentum

[alpine hazel]

Does putting down a crate not stack dependency

[reef spoke]

The trick to leveling ganger is to find a pocket psyker to carry you 😎

[calm aurora]

@novel oracle I summon thee. Or whoever wants to give his/her 2 cents.

[reef spoke]

No

[arctic imp]

Not right now but we believe it will be fixed

[wanton prawn]

Bro was trying to reenact Captain America and the grenade

[bronze glade]

Pubbies keep dropping like flies

[frigid thorn]

Hell yeah

[manic wolf]

Skipped them even without BM tbh, they're good, but I dont feel like Scum's weapons are lacking cleave (though ive not tried Crowbar an i hear thats not got much)

[bronze glade]

Need to keep the cannon fodder alive

[pastel wasp]

doing heresy missions with 3 other scum all still using their level 1 daggers and going desperado so you have to do literally 100% of both horde clear and crusher killing

[arctic imp]

Yell at them

[hazy vector]

it is heresy

[vernal sluice]

Yea that's a given lmao
I took one rez speed perk on my hs' curios while levelling but now I'm questioning its usefulness

[hazy vector]

you will be fine

[reef spoke]

I really need to make my build not suck ass vs crushers

[low harbor]

last 3 points maybe get sample collector

[arctic imp]

Hey heresy is some peoples Auric

[manic wolf]

Question... is Needle Gun DoT strength just as is or does it scale with any stat on the weapon?

[torn ember]

The Bonesaw feels like it could use some extra cleave, though you can get by with Blessings alone

[zenith fern]

Jeez I wonder we all died because of an arbites shot a burster that i pushed

[frigid thorn]

No need for the Rending node on Rampage?

[wanton prawn]

Coomes out the box as strong as it'll ever be.

[reef spoke]

Basically no influence from gun stats

[pearl ore]

im my effort to make my hive scum look scummy

[torn ember]

The only stats that matter on your Needle Gun is Mobility and Ammo.

[karmic valve]

So i had a few havoc matches w Stimm Crate w linger buff

Completely immune to hp loss from blight spreads

Also immune to instant death from overhead

Do you folks feel this will stay as is

[pearl ore]

I made one of my gas station regulars

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its more economical to use blessings for sure

[vernal sluice]

Eh I'll try running rez speed for some more and see how it goes. I still don't have a good idea of what I want to do with my curios

[manic wolf]

Perfec, super easy to level up then

[arctic imp]

they’re just babies

[low harbor]

buddy u have a +75% str | +65% dmg | +48% atk speed rashad

[vernal sluice]

Heresy is the casual filter it's true

[pearl ore]

ive sold LM blue 100s to this man just without the skill moutpiece nad shoulder spikes

[pastel wasp]

heresy was easily harder than damnation and auric cause no one does any damage and they don't take the 2 very useful survival perks on the middle bottom of the tree

[sturdy marsh]

So is the dump for needle pistol, stability mobility or damage? Or does it matter out of those 3?

[frigid thorn]

fair point

[pearl ore]

and his hair was in green highlights

[arctic imp]

I wouldn’t test this because I don’t want to die, but are you sure that’s happening?

[torn ember]

Damage, ideally

[alpine hazel]

Build?

[patent bone]

Hey hey people

[lavish forge]

is stim grenade just a better immolation grenade

[low harbor]

and rending only helps for carapace on rashad (which alrdy has 0.9 cara ADM) so the boost isn't that huge

[pastel wasp]

yes

[robust sable]

Drip?

[reef spoke]

The average Darktide player is barely sentient. Every time a new class comes out people have to relearn that fact

[manic wolf]

Fireant said the only thing thats not a dump is ammo, which sounds about right

[patent bone]

Drip

[karmic valve]

Yup

Happened multiple times last night

Also ate multiple overheads as a psyker to test and it just took me to next wound instead of instant kill

[vernal sluice]

Whatcha selling

[low harbor]

stabilty prob

cuz
what is sway gonna do for u on this gun

[frigid thorn]

I just remember taking Rending Strikes from Veteran, so just wanted to make sure haha

[low harbor]

be fr

[torn ember]

Needle pistol stat tierlist: Ammo > Mobility > Stability >>>>>>> Damage/Stopping Power

[vast schooner]

According to Reddit: Hive Scum is weak, a glass cannon at best and at worst just glass. Thoughts?

[novel quest]

ngl I thought I was bad at the game while I was leveling hive scum until I realized "Oh, wait! The bare basics of survivability are at THE BOTTOM OF THE TREE!"

[hazy vector]

So how knife compares to shivs?

[frigid thorn]

Is it still Unarmored/Carapace for the Rashad on the Hiver, or something else?

[manic wolf]

Skill issue is what i think

[arctic imp]

the corruption cleanse is super super slow so I’m wondering if that’s some sort of bug

[low harbor]

I have that yea

[karmic valve]

You just need lingering stimm crate as often as possible

Nullifies the need for zealot corruption aura

Entire team w stimm buff can move around blight or BoN vomit without hp loss during duration

[reef spoke]

The +30% toughness regen node 🙏

[torn ember]

Stability does a hell of a lot more than damage

[robust sable]

Stimms, Chems, Toxins! You want it? They're yours, my friend! IF you have the dockets!

[low harbor]

why

[novel quest]

the one that brings toughness back up by 50% on toughness break is busted

[vernal sluice]

Always ignore reddit posts

[karmic valve]

Thats the thing

The note says you are immune to corruption also during duration

[arctic imp]

it doesn’t save you if it does a lot of damage

[torn ember]

Because the difference between a 0 damage Needle Gun and an 80 damage Needle Gun is almost nothing

[novel quest]

redditors are stupid so just ignore em

[arctic imp]

Tried to rely on it in havoc. Bad idea

[vernal sluice]

I'll have the toxin that turns you into a pear

[low harbor]

the sway difference also is negligible

[vast schooner]

Objectively true

[pearl ore]

I try to give the darktide reddit the benifit of the doubt and then ill read them and keep going ''yeah thats why you do x or y''

[arctic imp]

So would this save me during tox gas*

[frigid thorn]

Oh yeah bath, what stims do you run? Cooldown?

[livid raven]

realistically, everything except ammo doesn't matter on needlegun no?

[frigid thorn]

or MORE DAMAGE

[livid raven]

only cooldown

to enable more desperado

[frigid thorn]

LOL

[hazy vector]

What is your preferred viscosity on stimm>

[torn ember]

Sway might make me miss and deal 0 damage. Maybe like 1 in a million times. Doing literally 2 more damage is never making a difference when the dot deals several thousand

[low harbor]

cd is best

[frigid thorn]

Can't argue with that tbh

[novel quest]

were you like, face tanking with it expecting it to save you?😭

[vernal sluice]

So not worth it. Used to go to reddit for build advice and it was just validating poor choices and poor gamesense.

[near mauve]

the correct dump on needle pistol is actually all stats

[low harbor]

are u sure

[karmic valve]

Yes

We had tox gas

Blight and everything

Completely immune and you can run around as long stimm is on you

[pearl ore]

my thing is

[vernal sluice]

Also does the subreddit still have the monthly psyker bait post

[arctic imp]

No but the idea should be that if something breaks your toughness, that’s your second chance. It worked like that in auric but not havoc, which makes me question its value at that level

[pearl ore]

ill take the not optimal thing if it leads into the game feel im going for

[near mauve]

how do u miss with the needle pitol

[karmic valve]

Even ate a hidden overhead because of tox gas

Just went to next wound instead

[pearl ore]

and the reddit and zealot chat HATE that

[winged bay]

damage also does nothing so doesn't matter

[reef spoke]

"MR PRESIDENT GET DOWN" -poxwalker

[pearl ore]

no I get that the kill for more toughness isnt as good as toughness on dodge

[near mauve]

zealot chat encourages fun tho

[rare idol]

chim nade on spawn door is peak funny

[pearl ore]

but I want a toughness facetank berserker blender

[arctic imp]

That makes me happy. But it doesn’t save you from toughness damage right? So you’d still be in a precarious state.

[near mauve]

grab both?

[pearl ore]

I only had the one point to spare and the yelled at me for hours

[robust sable]

It makes you immune to incoming corruption iirc, so the corruption on-hit which usually causes the insta KO isn't applying.

[brisk halo]

its reddit they're all idiots

[pearl ore]

I get that it was better but like

[vast schooner]

Since when are zealots meta slaves?

[pearl ore]

that wasnt the gimmick

[calm aurora]

Damnation lvl 24. Yeah..

[karmic valve]

Toughness still drains so you will still eat dirt if you get hit with anything but corruption doesnt take effect

[pearl ore]

I think it was that it was a better perk that did the same thing

[winged bay]

60% damage needler does 31 damage on hit, 80% does 33 damage, 2 damage really adds up

[near mauve]

i mean people will always recc the optimal stuff that's just how dedicated communities are

if u just wanna run 4 fun u might as well just run without asking

[pearl ore]

I couldnt manage to explain that I just want the thing to do a certain thing

[torn ember]

Hey man that pixel might make a difference, you never know

[robust sable]

Reddit has a collective skill issue and always has.

[pearl ore]

I needed help with a different part of the build

[karmic valve]

This would be an interesting niche meta setup if rotten comes back

[reef spoke]

Always funny seeing people "erm that's what I find fun"

[low harbor]

nah this is gaslighting

[obsidian crown]

What are some good builds - “I don’t like it because it’s not fun for me” - well don’t fucking ask then

[livid raven]

according to reddit:

• Pickpocket is good with the double barrel shotgun because it restores 1 ammo in the clip if it kills an elite/special
• Toughness Regen side of the stimm is very good especially for melee users

[torn ember]

Nah the truth is that it really doesn't matter what you dump; as long as you've got 80 Mobility and 80 Ammo you're good

[zenith pagoda]

Havoc is literally unplayable rn because of bugs and lag

[hazy vector]

another cringe

[heady jungle]

Is it bug that using stimm supply doesn’t proc dependency or is it intentional?

[livid raven]

that's me

oh wait that's not me

i got a title

[novel quest]

LOL

[obsidian crown]

I’m surprised no one made a jinx character from arcane

[reef spoke]

Poor Vet has it the worst with the plasma and Psword

[low harbor]

oh wait fr
gonna run pickpocket DB then

[robust sable]

The Toughness Stimm is generally more useful for Stimm Supply to enable aggro push as opposed to enabling a playstyle

[livid raven]

it doesn't, only restores reserve

but that's what i am saying

[near mauve]

im dumping mobility

[torn ember]

You're making your inner meth-head cry

[low harbor]

oh ok

[near mauve]

good

[livid raven]

sorry i should have specified, in the comment i am referring to it was good because it means you are getting more toughness from all sources

which isn't what it does

[tender marten]

when ur tryin to do a group project at the library and some rando gasses u all out with a crop dusting fart

[mild minnow]

Hivescum isnt designed to clear groups of enemies its designed to effortlessly drag the battery across the map

[livid raven]

for real

[robust sable]

Fair; either way, Reddit is stupid.

[heavy swan]

props to whoever did the noises on the bonesaw. grody.

[livid raven]

btw is there a way to decrease the volume of your own gunfire

[zinc heath]

Holy hell, scum is definitely very fragile. Like one or 2 shotgun elite is enough to make hive scum 0 toughness

[livid raven]

i'm running dual autopistol desperado and hearing this shit for 30 minutes, repeatedly, is deafining me

[vast schooner]

I honestly haven’t looked into the skill tree yet to make my own opinion. I’m guessing at least the shotgun remark is not true?

[toxic girder]

Lmao it’s funny how many 4man HiveScum lobbies I’ve been in while leveling and we keep all dying because glass cannons

[livid raven]

it's not, pickpocket "only" restores 20% of your reserve, not clip, and it doesn't put any ammo in your clip

[torn ember]

Pickpocket is good in general but it 100% doesn't put ammo back in your gun, it only adds it to your reserves.

[zenith fern]

The beauty of cocky players

[amber sundial]

Wasn’t that clip restore only a bug in playtesting

[pure escarp]

Does 15% clip size rounded up perk give db 3 shots? Havent tested but i thought someone said that

[karmic valve]

Scum reminds me of Vermintide Shade thp gen but damage out the wazoo

Definitely different but biiig damage

[echo python]

It did put ammo back in the clip at one point pre-release, but that was also changed pre-release

[amber sundial]

On everyone who has the talent and DB, yes

[livid raven]

i think it was just an older version of the ability

it was "nerfed" to the current one

[fickle socket]

whats a good perk and blessing for bone saw

[mild minnow]

who would win
4 level 1 hivescum or 1 lowest diff sniper

[amber sundial]

shock and awe and decimator are good iirc

[toxic girder]

I watched the sniper take out three of them, add a trapper and we would’ve wiped.

[amber sundial]

Sniper after firing 7 times because the first 3 the sniper shot into a desperado ability

[zenith pagoda]

This class has a high skill ceiling and it shows

[north crow]

so, hyper violence is just really good huh

[signal nebula]

yeah p much

[amber sundial]

byeah

[mild minnow]

but its stockk desparado and all of the hivescum have dual smgs

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/byeah-jerma-jerma985-meeting-of-the-byeahs-gta-march-gif-14221033

[amber sundial]

bno :(

[novel quest]

yeah

I've been running bonesaw with it

it's suuuper zooted

[mild minnow]

iimma be honest

[novel quest]

with big cleave bonuses

[mild minnow]

i think im gonna run +9 stamina curios

[amber sundial]

Look at this man hungering for 36% attack speed

[lavish forge]

me

which melee weapon has the most stam bars

[novel quest]

I have like one +3 stam curio

[mild minnow]

wtf is 10% toughness going to do with no DR

[livid raven]

they all have the same stamina bar

so pick whatever you want to be even faster

[hollow knot]

im scumming out

[reef spoke]

Its best c:

[novel quest]

hive scoom

[livid raven]

there is an easy 20% DR tho

in the middle tree

[hollow knot]

iron riders for life. one last penance and i'll have their whole legendary set

[sharp dune]

Weird question, are any of your hive scum black in skin tone? It’s not letting me pick a darker skin tone

[novel quest]

could be full body tats making them look a bit darker

[livid raven]

no, but i did see the option

what do you mean you can't

[reef spoke]

I saw black options

[amber sundial]

ngl I think I might make my hive scum into chum bucket that one mechanic from mad max

[sharp dune]

…no I mean like black skin tone

[dense pelican]

do people prefer the stubs or the dual autopistols for a Desperado build? I really like the the stub pistols but it's murder on my wrist

[signal nebula]

my hive scum is black, worked for me

[lavish forge]

i see

[sharp dune]

I pick the darkest skin tone and it’s a white gut with a tan at best

[livid raven]

dual autopistols are disgusting

[sharp dune]

Must be a bug then, odd

[livid raven]

uh

do you use mods or

[reef spoke]

Autopistols, I'd try stub pistols once the crit bug is fixed

[livid raven]

oh man

what crit bug

[signal nebula]

try relaunching

[novel quest]

stub pistols are super fun

[reef spoke]

Crit bonus isn't applying

[dry pawn]

Is nimble actually bugged?

[amber sundial]

the penance isn’t bugged I got it yesterday

[reef spoke]

So roughly missing like 20% crit chance

[livid raven]

damn that's ugly

[dense pelican]

wow

[brittle sierra]

Neither I take Agri CS

[dry pawn]

I mean the dodge duration trait nimble

[lofty tapir]

Hivescum should of gotten a passive to kamikaze upon death.

[livid raven]

anyway dual autopistols are like THE weapon for desperado

[novel quest]

so my stub pistols aren't even at full power and they're steamrolling everything...

holy crap...

[reef spoke]

Stub pistols are still decent even with that bug so they should hold up really well once the bug is fixed

[novel quest]

this gun is zooted...

[reef spoke]

Fun times c:

[novel quest]

i hope they give us a gold skin for the dual stub pistols

like deadpool's pistoleros

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone else hate no man's land map? It looks great but the terrain is awful to move on

[reef spoke]

DLC classes have had shockingly low new cosmetics

[novel quest]

forge livery looks really nice on it

[reef spoke]

But we'll see with hive ganger

[dense pelican]

When going autopisol desperado, how do y'all handle long range threats? I can't test since im at work but i was wondering if shiv throwing knives have good range

[reef spoke]

Burst fire autopistols works in damnation for me

[dense pelican]

ty

[hollow knot]

I shoot several magazines until one of us is dead.

[tender marten]

Move along the edges, don't run through the middle.

[vernal sluice]

I have run and gun blessing and sticky fingers talent just for cases like that. I just tapfire away and it works

[silver mural]

One detail that is not very helpful that i noticed is that if you crit hit a bulwarks shield with saw you still get a cheeky 1 stack of toxin through hehe

[fiery palm]

on this right now and it's making me considering actual khorne worship

[novel quest]

oh yeah, is there a point in tossing shivs? they seem like they do nothing

[amber sundial]

They apply chem tox

[fiery palm]

they inflict chem tox

[drifting heron]

Toxin

[novel quest]

ooh

[drifting heron]

Like 4 stacks or so

[novel quest]

that is pretty good...

[obsidian crown]

My leveling experience was very smooth so I’m not sure why some people say it’s bad

[dense pelican]

3 shiv tosses kill crushers in Heresy

[silver mural]

Its enough stacks to kill most specials, if you are willing to wait

[amber sundial]

Skill issue is why

[silver mural]

And they come back super quick

[fiery palm]

"I was never in a car crash I don't understand why people complain about car crashes"

[undone sorrel]

whats the play with crowbar? Like, when theres a horde should I be doing lightspam, heavy spam, push attack heavy combos, etc?

[robust sable]

Tbf there's a few sources of DR:
You get 10% Toughness DR for just going down the tree.
There's potentially 20% from the Hive City Brawler Talent.
Potentially 15% to 20% DR from one of the Chemical Dependency Keystone nodes.
-16% Damage Taken from one of the Stimm branches.
25% DR from Rampage.
"-25% Toughness Damage Taken while reloading" from the Calling for a Time Out Talent.
etc.

[bronze glade]

Oh it’s bad. For some people.

[reef spoke]

Because randoms are also playing ganger

[silver mural]

1 per special or elite killed in melee, 2 for ogryns, 3 for bosses.

And 1 fir backstab kills on anything

[vernal sluice]

I save them vs crushers

[obsidian crown]

Terrible analogy

[hazy vector]

sounds like someone is not cool enough for DAKKA

[obsidian crown]

I am as well though

[forest escarp]

i-i'm sorry what

[novel quest]

it's as zooted as it sounds

[tender marten]

close enough, welcome back launch Zealot

[livid raven]

it's fine in isolation, but i've been pew-pewing for the last 3-4 hours

and it's painful

[reef spoke]

The average Darktide player loses to poxwalkers

[zenith fern]

Why you wanna do that when you can keep stabbing

[lavish forge]

box cutters + all the attack speed buffs make me feel like a blender

[high gull]

3 deaths in a row, I'm launched int he air like a foot ball into a exploding burster

Pain

[hazy vector]

So try other builds?

[livid raven]

ahahah

no

[robust sable]

Yeah; turns out being made of glass lets us give you really cool Talents to just avoid damage.

[near mauve]

my leveling experience cause im leveling with a friend
leveling with friend = 1 less bad player

[robust sable]

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-monk-slugcat-scav-your-argument-when-gif-24843090

[obsidian crown]

What about you though? jk jk

[floral bolt]

what if me and my friend are both worse at the game than we think we are

[robust sable]

[dense pelican]

imo, when Arbites was launched it was so overtuned it felt impossible to die leveling up, and Hive Scum is very killable so it's a very different experience

[zealous ravine]

troled

[near mauve]

im literally the best player watch

[amber sundial]

then at least you can have a laugh at your failures together

[limber cradle]

Arb is wildly hand holdy whereas Scum is not ime

[zealous ravine]

yeah that vid doesnt play lmao

[near mauve]

it should wot da hylll

[livid raven]

it's him walking straight off a ledge

[zealous ravine]

awesome

[fiery palm]

yeah that's the thing when you under level 20 you really don't have carry tools to compensate for pubs

[zenith ferry]

plays for me

[bronze glade]

Some people started the game with arbi and it shows

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[plucky girder]

what dumpstats we looking at? just mobility everytime? maybe defence on the crowbar?

[robust sable]

Also, it doesn't say so, but this actually gives you a stack on slide, even if it doesn't dodge anything either.
So Untouchable + Slippery Customer is a real strong way to approach avoiding damage.

[limber cradle]

I said this in zealot chat earlier but you can absolutely tell which scum players were playing arby before scum dropped

[hazy vector]

what are the blessings for crowbar?

[robust sable]

I like Opportunist + Superiority

[amber sundial]

it has can openner and thats all i remember

[drifting heron]

Can opener also works over opportunist

[floral bolt]

it's weird, most classes seem to have a lot of the defensive talents earlier but scum has them all just above a keystone

[dim moth]

no way they just copied skirmisher and made it give a different buff

[limber cradle]

But you can also tell which scum players like, know the game very well

Which i really like

[mint fable]

Would be nice to have more rockets in the blitz

[robust sable]

Tbf passive threat reduction is really nice for this class.

[robust sable]

Would be very, very, very, very strong though

[limber cradle]

Class is really strong but you have to know how to utilize it, which is great. Drastically better than this class is strong and you actively have to try to die.

[drifting heron]

I'm going to eat so much shit when I finally get to play tomorrow its going to be great

[robust sable]

plus, we do have +1 Blitz charge in the Talent Tree for a reason

[dense pelican]

tbf Hive Scum also has an incredible survival ability in Desperado, but you need to know how to dodge melee while shooting in order to use it

[forest escarp]

im not sure about untouchable at least in theory
aggro has to go somewhere and shunting aggro onto teammates -> teammates die -> threat reduction no longer matters
in theory

[obsidian crown]

Feels kinda worthless if you take the melee immunity slide though

[zenith fern]

as for the plate face, just be braindead

[limber cradle]

They let me dual wield everything else, why can't I dual wield the rocket launcher

[hazy vector]

hmm... Will it add third shell to double barrel?

[limber cradle]

Tithe rat is the epitome of w+m1 gameplay tbh

[zenith fern]

yes

[robust sable]

Threat reduction helps with gunners, shooters, shotgunners, etc. targetting someone else instead.

[floral bolt]

in my lobbies no one uses it as a defensive ability its tragic

[robust sable]

So it covers multiple enemy types.

Not just melee.

[obsidian crown]

Desperado and vulture’s mark and sliding negates those though

[limber cradle]

Desperado is so incredibly good as a tool

[robust sable]

What if you're not using Desperado and Vulture's Mark though?

[limber cradle]

Idk cause it's all I did yesterday lmfao

[obsidian crown]

Then skill issue

[limber cradle]

Genuinely addictive gameplay loop

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah "Point blank" works for melee weapon on needle pistol because that gun can't melee attack, it also last for 3.5s not 2.5

[mint fable]

Rocket should bypass Bulwark shield

[reef spoke]

Oh shit that's huge info

[robust sable]

Anyway, hard to say a Talent is worthless simply because it doesn't fit into your current build.

[reef spoke]

I'll give it a go

[robust sable]

Yeag!

Great for melee builds tbh

[dense pelican]

my struggle on Hive Scum so far has been ammo management since i mostly play Psyker lol

[vernal sluice]

Unthinkable! The world revolves around me obvi

[dense pelican]

i just got Pickpocket so I hope that helps

[rare idol]

reject staff, embrace gunker

[limber cradle]

Pickpocket is actually insane

[dense pelican]

i press desperado and start frothing at the mouth running down blue highlights

[warped quiver]

huh??
something's up
I can remove nodes in the middle of the skill tree but everything below it still remains active

[livid raven]

yeah but they won't be active in gameplay

[novel quest]

that's a QoL thing they did

[dense pelican]

Heresy!

[unreal stirrup]

that basically how it work

[novel quest]

it's great

[livid raven]

it's the new QoL they did

it's """great"""

[novel quest]

it is

[livid raven]

it's a worse implementation of a mod

[robust sable]

You can now freely swap Blitzes, Auras, Combat Abilities, and Keystones without redoing your entire tree

[rare idol]

ok people what are your right side builds for penance hunting in auric?

[warped quiver]

oh, that's very nice

[random shuttle]

"Hello sir, I am from the Water Cartel. I heard you spotted an illegal plumber called Mario sauntering around the Torrent?"

[abstract onyx]

Any needle pistol builds you guys could recommen

[quartz scaffold]

does curios toughness regen speed affect barrage stim? or nah as it never does anything on any class

[rare idol]

gonna try needle pistol and bone saw since thats the thematic way to go

[nocturne basalt]

needle pistol is goated entirely by itself

[near mauve]

nooooooo bone saw is not optimal!!!!!!!!!!

[novel quest]

apparently needle pistol is zooted

[near mauve]

only run the strongest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nocturne basalt]

and pickpocket

[robust sable]

It's a great sidearm for melee builds tbh

[nocturne basalt]

its weird because from what i can tell ranged buffs dont do much for it

[floral bolt]

maybe gameslantern will learn this forbidden tech too, emperor willing

[rapid mango]

it literally only works on coherency regen, on any class

[robust sable]

Needle Pistol is easy to slot into anything that isn't a dedicated bullet hose build

[obsidian crown]

My only complaint is the guaranteed weapon swap mod is very buggy with this class at times especially when stim effect is done or something. It locks you out of any action unless you swap weapons then back

[near mauve]

needle pistol boutta get a fat nerf

[nocturne basalt]

chem effects are just gonna get nerfed in general

[quartz scaffold]

disgusting

[rapid mango]

yeah it needs an update

[nocturne basalt]

the chem bomb and needle pistol are broken af

[novel quest]

I may give it a try to add some variety. I've been of the dual pistols faith since the millisecond I got it so, no harm in trying smth new lmao

[near mauve]

dont touch the chem bomb or ill COMPLAIN on discord

[nocturne basalt]

chem bomb is just a buffed flame nade

[obsidian crown]

Also had a weird thing sometimes where I’m in desperado and I press shoot once and it empties my entire clip and I can’t do anything about it

[floral bolt]

nah don't nerf chem bomb, but make the zealot fire nade as good lol

[novel quest]

FAX

[near mauve]

REAL

[novel quest]

zealot fire nade does zilch

[vernal sluice]

[amber sundial]

how would we buff zealot nade is the question?

[robust sable]

The unfortunate reality of updates; we gotta wait about a week for most mods to catch up

[amber sundial]

duration? special effect to burning enemies?

[rapid mango]

faster TTk on trash

[vernal sluice]

Make it set the entire map on fire permanently

[near mauve]

copy the code from chem nade duh

[rapid mango]

or yeah, last longer

[obsidian crown]

Heard they fixed it now though so gonna test it when I get on soon

Guaranteed weapon swap that is

[rapid mango]

O,o

[nova juniper]

Just switches to the flaming map variants but does nothing mechanically

[rapid mango]

did GWS update?

[warped quiver]

are adrenaline assassin and adrenaline smiter worth it?
don't they just do the same thing? (gain no stacks on non-kill non-weakspot hits)

[obsidian crown]

It’s crossed out in the mod bugs list on the mod discord so I assume yes

[sturdy linden]

I think I need to learn how to dodge slide properly

[obsidian crown]

Official mod loader is up too

[coral citrus]

There's a bug report on the forums that Haymaker blessing turns off precision violence as well

[vernal sluice]

Honestly yes

[sturdy linden]

I set it to a macro on my controller but it's not part of my muscle memory yet

[nocturne basalt]

What are the good needle gun blessings? Since the main dps is from the chem idk what to put on it

[vernal sluice]

I liked the fire map look

[sturdy linden]

I could switch my default dodge button to that macro too I guess..

[random shuttle]

Playing some Aurics with the Scummo, feels grrreat

[floral bolt]

just apply a stack of burn per second or so

[robust sable]

Adrenaline Smiter makes a HUGE difference; you can kill 6 trash enemies and get to Adrenaline Frenzy, or just 3 Elites.
It makes it very easy to upkeep, especially if you're just hitting scattered trash before the next big wave.

I run Adrenaline Smiter, Adrenaline Unbound, and Stoked Rage for my nodes usually

[coral citrus]

Stripped Down + regained posture talent is almost complete ranged immunity while sprinting

[sharp dune]

It just aborted my mission right at the end

[lavish forge]

i wonder how outlaws reconcile that theyre clearly religious and believe in the emperor and saint messelina but also disobey the institution that the emperor put in place and saint messelina professed loyalty to

[sharp dune]

This update is by far the worst I’ve ever had technical wise

[signal nebula]

Tread Lightlies rise up

[lavish forge]

ofc the answer is probably "they dont" but it'd be interesting to think abt it

[amber sundial]

It doesn’t actually burn enemies?

[dim moth]

probably the same way modern day religions do

[amber sapphire]

mario killer already deployed

[dim moth]

don't talk about it, don't mention it

[rare idol]

Saint Methalina said “do drugs”

[limber cradle]

Gang gang, water cartel reppin

[lavish forge]

sure but isnt it a little different considering the emperor is worshipped specifically because of his connection to the imperium?

[livid raven]

i don't think anything they do is actually illegal

[lavish forge]

its like being a christian but also saying "the bible is lame and stupid"

[rare idol]

I’m pretty sure killing people, stealing and doing shitloads of drugs is gonna be illegal

[dim moth]

people worship jesus as humanity's savior and stomp all over every belief he ever expressed

[sturdy linden]

ok I set my default dodge key to dodge slide

[livid raven]

like, as long as you don't worship chaos, the empire doesn't give a shit about what happens in the hives

[sturdy linden]

this is surely a good idea and will not get me killed on all my characters

[dim moth]

is it really so hard to believe?

[lavish forge]

okay.... got me there

[livid raven]

you'd be surprised

[fickle socket]

whats a good dump stats for neddle gun

[dim moth]

damage

or stopping power

[lavish forge]

its not hard to believe, I just wanted to talk about this character cause I think theyre interesting

[fickle socket]

oh?
how so

[rare idol]

Emprah says “you can kill but no butt stuff ok?”

[dim moth]

they don't affect the damage of the poison

just the base amage on hit which is very little

[reef spoke]

Direct damage only so 60 to 80 damage is like 2 damage difference

[floral bolt]

Not according to the Steam guide. It applies a DoT but it doesn't stack like normal burn

[fickle socket]

and which mark is the best

[amber sundial]

They function exactly the same except for alt fire

[plucky girder]

^ theres a gif right der

[high gull]

My worst enemy as ganger has to be bursters and gunners

[amber sundial]

one explodes enemies when they die, the other spreads more tox on death

[fickle socket]

thx

[high gull]

The amount of times I get sent flying into the stratosphere into a exploding burster

Needs to be studied

[fickle socket]

and the perk and blessings?

[amber sundial]

I do not remember the perks/blessings

[neat musk]

There's something I don't really understnad. on the stimm lab, why are some upgrades less stuff than the other options? Like, if I put 4 points in Barrage, I get replenish 25% toughness +20% tughness regen and -4% damage taken.
But the upgrades are either
Replenish 25% toughness or 20% tough regen

[lavish forge]

"thou shalt kill"

[amber sundial]

Top left tree sucks in general

[floral bolt]

Toughness regen doesn't actually regenerate toughness like replenishing does, it just makes coherency toughness better

[wet arrow]

I have one big question, is the Hive class kind of weaker or is it just from the beginning?

[rare idol]

“But no butt stuff” which gangers definitely do

[zenith fern]

I wonder is Shivs double dot fun? Bleed and tox stacks?

[amber sundial]

All their survivability and stuff is at later levels

[high gull]

It's a glass cannon class

[wet arrow]

Glass cannon?

[zenith fern]

More weaker than psyker
But far more agressive and mobile

[neat musk]

YEah I get that, but why the upgrades are less option than the previous ones

[amber sundial]

class cannon, it fires out the other classes to do its job

[wet arrow]

I see, low survivability but high damage

[rare idol]

If you’re used to og psyker melee it feels pretty tanky. If you’ve been playing one of the classes with actual like health and whatnot it will feel super fragile

[zenith fern]

Little or barely any defensive talents but in the trade of doing insane damage

[high gull]

It's more so meant for people who have game sense.

[wet arrow]

Yeah Ive been playing Arbites

[high gull]

Def not a new user friendly class

[rare idol]

You’re cooked, run away

[zenith fern]

While yes but it massively rewards players who have good skills and awareness

[manic wolf]

Its the polar opposite to Arb

[wet arrow]

I mean if I have to challange my self I dont mind going for it

[zenith fern]

Far less than psyker

thats the beauty of scum

Challenging your skills

[high gull]

It skill diffs people who are use to face tanking dmg

You have to actually engage with more built in game mechanics ot make the class work

[wet arrow]

Because I noticed the perk tree doesnt have much defense, mostly offense

[amber sundial]

I mean the class is really tanky, it’s just that if you wanna utilize it, you’ll have to go into fetal position

[zenith fern]

If you are an ogryn and arbites main and play scum first time you will be doornailed (huh get it) because you are too used tanking all hits and replenisihment of toughness

[zenith fern]

Yeah, it has little damage reduction buffs

[wet arrow]

I understand, it's mainly my own skill issue

[zenith fern]

There are quite amount of dodges related talents

[rare idol]

It’s a class that gives you free mondo dodge slide

[zinc heath]

Does 20 kill in melee also restore the grenade ?

[rare idol]

Also your dodge slide is immune to melee

[amber sundial]

yea

[halcyon apex]

same here

[zenith fern]

for stun grenade yes

[zinc heath]

trying to understand this blackout nades

ohh i see

[rare idol]

Also you can sprint dodge infinitely

The survivability is bananas

[zenith fern]

infinite grenades but need kills for regain

[tribal bane]

20 kills in general restor the blinder

[amber sundial]

Only close range

[knotty grotto]

what's sprint dodge's benefit over regular dodging?

[full sleet]

is unload bad

[tender marten]

close kills, so 15m

[knotty grotto]

i don't think i've ever deliberately utilized it

[rare idol]

See a crusher? Hit g to ass plant it. It’s a great gunner/reaper off button

[amber sundial]

close is 12.5m I thought

[high gull]

Soon™

[tender marten]

honestly that number has changed several times

[zenith fern]

Love this oober goober

[tender marten]

i think its 15m now, maybe it is 12.5m. it was once 8m too.

[rare idol]

Weiner sword

[manic wolf]

Was about to say thought it was 8m

[rare idol]

“I hang my sword on my dick for reasons”

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/accepted-my-weiner-jonah-hill-hotdog-ask-me-gif-3528813

[manic wolf]

Just dont slip over 😄

[tender marten]

ok its 12.5m

[high gull]

There's no reason this shoulda been a legendary

[robust sable]

Shirtless.

That's why it's Transcendent.

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/drugbusta1-gif-6615366545959979992

[robust sable]

[zenith fern]

naked comes a price

[rare idol]

Time to pay the click tax for good bone saw and needle gun

[tender marten]

no ur thinking translucent

[tribal bane]

there is every reason it should be legendary

also, I NEED A GOD DAMN SPARK MASK

[manic wolf]

Tits out for Harambe

[hazy vector]

Damn, double barrel is funny with desperado

[tender marten]

shivs out for harambe

[robust sable]

No, no, no, it's transatlantic

[manic wolf]

why not both?

[robust sable]

A fellow right side enjoyer

[fast gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445853965374718113/IMG_8535.png?ex=6931dbf0&is=69308a70&hm=8a6b6e89610f6a67f738a4722fe6cfc6182b7e9f957a9796cd082491eb836247&

[high gull]

Show colors

Respect

🤝

[idle ocean]

Stole the same pic from Reddit 😭🙏

[warped grove]

Does anyone have a good Stim Crate build? (I know its pretty meh but I still wanna play it every once in a while)

[manic wolf]

Lule

[limber cradle]

You can meet this guy at your local death metal show

[rare idol]

i just wanna reach up brunts ass and take the good weapon and then leave the money on the table

[high gull]

I mean you want a support crate build?

[rare idol]

idk why i need to pay 500 billion clicks to make it

[amber sundial]

go singular stim slotted and go chem bombing

[warped grove]

Just anything with the crate

[idle ocean]

Reddit dot com 🤓☝️

[high gull]

I have a wip crate build

One sec

[warped grove]

thanks king

[worn gull]

I love so much that the shiv is just two bit of rebar hammered into a taper

[rare idol]

nice only one million spent for usable needle and boen

[manic wolf]

Question about the crate actually...

Does it give any player with the Chem Dependancy keystone a stack when its placed?

[idle ocean]

Why r the blessings on the needle pistol like

So bad

I get it’s broken on its own but cmon

[zenith fern]

they are

[tribal bane]

there's a skin is literally just two pipes that have been given an edge thanks to an angle grinder

[high gull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a080866d-c9a3-4d13-b007-6910c9e46b53/wip-team-chemist

[unique dagger]

all sources of instant kills proc before on hit effects do

so when they proc you get nothing

[rare idol]

because you can stack chem goo traits and go ham?

[warped grove]

dope thanks

[foggy phoenix]

Needle Pistol dump stat?

[idle ocean]

Stability

[coral citrus]

the bug is the talent stops proccing for the rest of the match

[rare idol]

the incredibly obvious one

mobility

[idle ocean]

Nah bro

Like realistically when r u gonna need recoil reduction on a gun u fire like 3 times

[unique dagger]

yes it is quite cooked

[neat delta]

difference between the two needle gun settings?

[foggy phoenix]

There's a non-zero chance it could be damage given that it's a DoT gun. Better to ask than not.

[unique dagger]

I have reported it

[zenith fern]

he is a killjoyer

[unique dagger]

it will be fixed

[idle ocean]

Drip

[drifting heron]

Damage

[idle ocean]

My guys got imperator vibes from mad max

[manic wolf]

Well, Speedload talent does infact, not stack with Speedloader blessing after testing

So for Stub Pistol, Speedloader blessing is better due to its lack of impactful blessings, but probably not the case for anything else

[neat delta]

I should've put bleed on my knives

[manic wolf]

I could see Bleed/Toxin Dot going pretty hard

Same as fire DoT + Toxin

[heavy swan]

Whats the brittleness coating do on the bonesaw? reduce armor?

[manic wolf]

Ye

[heavy swan]

coo

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-spy-engineer-correct-right-gif-26313261

[manic wolf]

Iirc its a unique form of Brittleness so it can stack with other sources

Penetrating Flame, Thunderous etc

[rose flax]

It's literally in haymakers description
It does not proc kill effects when triggered

[novel quest]

I personally like pinning fire and run n gun

[drifting heron]

I don't thing pinning fire does much

[drifting heron]

Not enough stagger before kill

[torn ember]

I don't know how often I'll get getting multiple close range kills on the dual stubs within 2 seconds before reloading, honestly

[novel quest]

you get enough reload speed with certain perks

[manic wolf]

I tried Pinning, but its only really active at the end of the magazine so its not hugely impactful vs the reload speed DPS increase

[signal nebula]

heya dude

[dire badge]

when do u ugys use blue drug on the drug gun

[manic wolf]

Eyyy, Here's Johnny 😄 How you doin man?

[signal nebula]

good man, how you been?

long time 🙂

[torn ember]

I might rather take the Talent for the much more generous reload speed and take Pinning Fire or something

[manic wolf]

Good to hear, yeah alright bud, just busy all summer with work an what not

[lavish forge]

THE OGRYN IS DEAD