hivescum-class

[livid epoch]

Peter… the horse is here

[pearl ore]

I think dipping left tree for desparado works but

[rancid bronze]

light into heavy i think

[charred jewel]

yeah honestly, my only complaint so far is how squishy hive scum is. a poxwalker could sneeze on you and you'll get obliterated

[zealous basin]

I'm gonna make a video breaking down the rs speed bug and the math with what the rs actually should be when I get home from celebrating my birthday I think esp now that I know that you only can get 5% from speed loader

[novel quest]

light heavy push looping has been working wonders for me

[pearl ore]

I had some sort of resourse leak and my whole tag with chem move to next thing didnt like powerpoint lag

[rose flax]

Happy birthday

[novel quest]

there's a unique sweeping light attack right after pushes with the bonesaw

and doing heavy after light is sweeping too

[pearl ore]

it didnt work with I have to click 6+ times to have it register to shoot once

[zealous basin]

Still too early just celebrating but thanks 😁

[fleet estuary]

im gonna make a video where I die to one pox walker because my toughness is broken and I panicked

[zealous basin]

I'm busy on my actual birthday

[rancid bronze]

if you use rampage with anything i think the best combo is to just spam lights

[charred jewel]

i think you get 2 sweeping heavies after the push attack as well

double the cleavage

[frigid thorn]

this class is so freaking fun i don't think I've slept

[zealous basin]

I got scum as an early present 🙏🏻

[pale rain]

I'll need to test with it off. Some hits were definitely bullshit

[rain snow]

that sounds questionable without context

[sonic pumice]

is the crowbar a good weapon? what blessings and perks are you folks running on it?

[novel quest]

ha. cleavage. but yeah you're right

there's plenty of horde clears to be done with bonesaw

honestly this melee can do everything

[zealous basin]

Just double checking 70% of 4 seconds is 2.8 seconds which means at 70% rs the animation should be 1.2 seconds right?

[frigid thorn]

I think cole said Superiority+can opener/take a swing

[pearl ore]

why is discord using a gig of memory?!

[smoky valve]

Very good weapon, its an insane workhorse that can also effectively deal with carapace

[sonic pumice]

any insight on the perks it needs?

[frigid thorn]

It's filled with Scum

[pearl ore]

what is it doing here thats that intensive?

[hazy vector]

i said combo, not blessings

[frigid thorn]

I've just been running Carapace/unyielding lol

[zealous basin]

I'm like 90% sure the math is mathing

[livid epoch]

I would marry the crowbar

I love spinning it

[charred jewel]

its lights are kinda weak imo, 91 dmg kinda blows. its def a heavy swinging weapon

i think i prefer crowbar over it honestly

[dire badge]

What blessings for stim pistol lads?

[rancid bronze]

i dont think it works that way??
+70% reload speed should mean that the animation plays at 170% the speed meaning that the reload is actually around 41% shorter

[novel quest]

funny enough I really don't like the crowbar😭

[frigid thorn]

Also, one last question, for the bonesaw, what are the use cases for the different modes on it? Is it better to just slap the toxin on everything, and just use the brittleness mode for bosses?

[pearl ore]

apparently discord can memory leak now

[novel quest]

I'm not very whelmed with its performance

[fleet estuary]

where did they go chat

[novel quest]

even with rampage

[charred jewel]

to be completely honest, i dont like using any of the slower weapons without the middle keystone

[pearl ore]

why does so much fucking stuff go live with memory leaks anymore?

[sonic pumice]

Nurgle stole them, that's why we hate him

[random shuttle]

Woo

[pearl ore]

its like very other program

[random shuttle]

Level 30 achieved

now I can play the game

[pearl ore]

ahh ahh ahh

[novel quest]

dependency is good with the bone saw tho

[pearl ore]

gotta grind all those masteries still

[charred jewel]

nope! now you can go to melk and gamble curios and level up the new weapons, THEN you can play the game!

the grind isnt over yet buddy!

[random shuttle]

oh thats nothing

[zealous basin]

So it would still be around 1-2 secon

But ty

[random shuttle]

just a 20-30 minutes to master them all

[calm aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958078780834971688.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[random shuttle]

maybe less

[upbeat stone]

why cant the gangers pick up the stims from the ground if they bring their own? Are they elitists? Do they consider moebian stims as non-kosher or not halal?

[random shuttle]

After all...

[pearl ore]

see ive been doing scum rp in game chat

[random shuttle]

With great finances comes great easy of buying masteries

[pearl ore]

and my go to is

[novel quest]

I think it's because they're addicted to that specific stim they have

[somber blade]

this is fatshark p2w

[zealous basin]

Lol

[pearl ore]

when you have 4 hive scum staring at a stimm someone marked

[novel quest]

there's literally a drug addiction perk

[eternal crag]

i am financially ruined

[charred jewel]

yes, i too am draining my bank. but the process of sitting there and actually doing it makes me want to kill myself

[pearl ore]

"Can you belive these off world fraggers actually take this garbage shite?"

[calm aurora]

this is the reason I don't bother with cartel stimms

[pearl ore]

because I mean

[calm aurora]

I have choice and no competition now

[frigid thorn]

Isn't it even funnier if you are from The Show becuase it's probably made by your cartel anyways, yet you save the good stuff for yourself?

[amber sapphire]

l1-h2 seems to be pretty good

[pearl ore]

compared to conclave stimms, the pickup stimms are kinda.... dollar store ey

the 305 mentol cigars of stimms

[livid epoch]

I will admit I find it painfully hard to use stims normally. I am a huge sufferer of too good to use syndrome

[gleaming gust]

Would you prefer tailor made drugs or random drugs you find on the ground?

[livid epoch]

I don’t really need the combat stim right now, better save it!

[calm aurora]

half the conclave stimms are useless sooooo

[livid epoch]

(Mission ends)

[pearl ore]

(1.45$)

[frigid thorn]

Dude same, I end up picking up the stims and never using them unless its the healing one lol

[gleaming gust]

You don't know where that med stim has been

[livid raven]

that's why my stimm is cdr only

[pearl ore]

but they're still much more potent and resuable

[livid raven]

i don't have to wonder wether to use it or not

[charred jewel]

imagine you go to work with a fresh THC cart that you made at home yourself with your own oils and plants and everything, and when you go to work you see some gas station rick and morty cart. youre gonna want your own stuff every day

[livid raven]

i just do

[rancid bronze]

do you guys have a thing where if you click the slot your stim is on while its on cd you get locked out of sprinting until you use it

[reef spoke]

I use map stims like exclusively to kill bosses and ogryn patrols

[calm aurora]

green is goated

[pearl ore]

its like buying 2$ cigarettes of marlboros

[zealous basin]

I think the RNG stims r still rlly strong tbh

[livid raven]

are you using mods

[rancid bronze]

yeah

[pearl ore]

so do I, im just talking like

[livid raven]

especially the weapon switch mod

[zealous basin]

Maybe not on scum

[gleaming gust]

This guy said my point better

[livid raven]

disable it

[pearl ore]

lorewise

[livid raven]

as in, force weapon switch

[rancid bronze]

yeah i suspected that

[charred jewel]

imagine smoking every cigarette bud you find on the ground after buying a fresh pack

[pearl ore]

why do the scums want that heretic skunk weed when they can cook up their own personalized strain of og cush

[rancid bronze]

good thing i wont be playing any veteran any time soon :/

[livid raven]

i mean it's a problem with every class

[pearl ore]

nah man im gonna smoke my dankest shit, the inquisition rejects can smoke that garbage... if they want too

I imagine every scum giving another class using stimms a look

[calm aurora]

I like to have choice :/

[unreal osprey]

facepaint and hairstyle should be a part of your loadout, not your character itself for this class

[zealous basin]

The in mission rending stim still makes me blush when I use it for monstros

[sturdy marsh]

What blessings have y'all been using on dual stub

[frigid thorn]

For the bonesaw, when do you use each of the coatings? Do you end up using the brittle mode on carapace, or better to just poisoin them lol

[zealous basin]

Pinning fire blaze away

[livid raven]

i don't think there is any reason to use the brittle coating

[sturdy marsh]

Dual stub not autos

[calm aurora]

that's autopistol no?

[zealous basin]

Oops

[pearl ore]

poweder burn and terrifying presence

[charred jewel]

the heavy already does so much stagger that honestly i just poison them, i think I would only use brittle on chaos spawn or BoN to free someone from their stummy, but im not sure it'll make him throw up or noty

[dire badge]

what baout the crushers and carpace bosses

[zealous basin]

Mb mixed them up for a sec

Powder burn something

[frigid thorn]

Oh guarantee weapon swap just updated

[livid raven]

i think poisoning them might still be more efficient

[pearl ore]

I like walking though, supressing groups and capping them in the head one by one

[sturdy marsh]

I'll have to try it out, thanks

[livid raven]

i wonder tho

[mint fable]

Man, I am so squishy

[zealous basin]

Powder burn is good

[mint fable]

I can barely survive damnation

[north meteor]

which needler are people using? Prolif or explosion?

[pearl ore]

powderburn autopistol speed psyker my beloved

[dire badge]

frogs every damn day

[livid raven]

explosion is garbo

[zealous basin]

I know a few ppl who like it on stubs

[silver mural]

Hey does anyone know if the "regen 30 percent toughness when taking ranged damage" and "regen 50 percent toughness on toughness break" are still bugged to not work together or did they fix that at the classes launch

[livid raven]

it's a tiny explosion that does nothing except stagger a little in a tiny radious

[north meteor]

yea but you can infect people if you shoot the ground with the explosion, so that's cool

[toxic dagger]

It's not

[zealous basin]

The other mark makes it aoe toxin

[toxic dagger]

Purple coating kills crushers faster

[livid raven]

i know

[calm aurora]

3 tg curios, 3x5% tg, 3x5%hp, 3x20% gunner res

[ruby kelp]

dump mob yea? just assuming as thats majority the time the dump stat lol

[random shuttle]

time to farm melk for curios

[zealous basin]

Infinitely better

[livid raven]

i am talking explosion vs toxin "explosion"

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[dire badge]

would u use britel on carpaceb ossesl ike twins and captain? or like a mix

[zealous basin]

Oh ok

[livid raven]

the aoe toxin is much better yeah

[amber sapphire]

he still can't drop 17% toughness

[zealous basin]

Yeah I agree no reason to use the normal aoe

Over the toxin aoe

[amber sapphire]

but 21%hp and 3 stam are possible from him

[livid raven]

it really does like 10 damage in the explosion lol

[zenith pagoda]

I'm going to try revolver on havoc 40

[silver mural]

In my testing with zero buffs it doesnt, but as soon as you add on the damage talents and abilties purple absolutely flies ahead by a fucking long shot.

However idk how accurate the DPS stats are in the psykanium and ive noticed some odd things with it so im not sure im right on that

[zealous basin]

Can the stagger, stagger crushers?

[somber blade]

you sure? i got one from him on my arbi after spending 15k on curios

[livid raven]

lemme try

[zenith pagoda]

I only switch to lean coating when there are multiple crushers

[livid raven]

i doubt it tho

because it barely staggers a poxwalker

[amber sapphire]

maybe i was extremely unlucky, i was fishing for 17% when arbi came out

[sturdy marsh]

I tried to get a toughness curio. Didn't care about the %. I bought 10 of them, no toughness

[zealous basin]

I think it needs more cc if that's the case

[zenith pagoda]

I got a 17% toughness and 3 stam immediately with hive scum

[arctic steppe]

i just spent 25k and got 3 +3 stamina and a 21% hp so maybe its just unlucky i didnt get a 17 idk

or its fake.

[somber blade]

they msut be extremely rare tbf spent 15k today on my hive scum and got none

[amber sapphire]

Hmmm, I'll try now

[sleek grove]

What is "Cartel Special"? (in the penenaces)

[silver mural]

Custom stimm

[zealous basin]

I have no 3 stamina trinkets for any of my characters to this day

[random shuttle]

okay curios done

[sleek grove]

ohty

[zenith pagoda]

I have 10 total stamina bars in game so that's 20% attack speed

[random shuttle]

but you got real stamina curio or the fake? 😄

[livid raven]

lol no it doesn't

stagger i mean

[vernal sluice]

What curios yall running?

[zenith pagoda]

It's 210

[livid raven]

it's really a wimpy explosion

[somber blade]

toughness gang

[random shuttle]

1x stam, 2x Toughness

[random shuttle]

you mean 410 right? 😄

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah

[livid raven]

2 toughness and one health

[limber cradle]

1x hp, 2x toughness

[zealous basin]

Yeah then I literally can't think of a reason why you wouldn't run the aoe dot spread 😭

[random shuttle]

2 of those and 1 Stammo

[north meteor]

Im probably gonna run 2 toughness 1 stam, but idk what perks I should run yet

[silver mural]

All the toughness i can get my hands on haha. So far havent felt tbe need to have a lot of stamina but tbf im not great at knows the ins and outs of mechanics.

[limber cradle]

They have vet health in havoc which makes me think you really want the hp curio

[random shuttle]

Stam is good because attack speed per stamina talent 😄

[zealous basin]

Cuz the stagger one if it actually staggered the bigger enemies could be utilized as a cc support type weapon but it doesn't so ig it sucks lol

[silver mural]

Oh i see, is that in the melee part of the tree

[rustic lava]

Is the event live yet

[hazy vector]

Rashad is so stupid on melee hiver

[undone sorrel]

Aside from the dual smgs, what other weapons have yall been enjoying on desperado builds?

[limpid dew]

welp finally play hive scum today and got it to decent level going for full gordon freeman build

any good recommend blessing for crowbar?

[zealous basin]

Shredder autopistol

[hazy vector]

i think to try double barrel

[low harbor]

Prob their best melee weapon tbh

[simple oyster]

Double barrel.

[zealous basin]

That 2

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah but saw has better synergy

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-half-life-gordon-freeman-half-life-black-mesa-half-life-black-mesa-gif-6984151856860099581

[simple oyster]

I assume once hyper critical is fixed to actually work, double barrel and other shotguns are going to be really good

[woeful hill]

Interesting, for what main reasons?

[low harbor]

With the chemist branch yea

[limber cradle]

I am also curious

[undone sorrel]

[zealous basin]

It doesn't work either?

Damn

[undone sorrel]

double barrel gets speedload too right?

[bronze glade]

Wished HIV got trench fighter lol

[thorn prawn]

hypercritical?

[simple oyster]

Yeah but it's overkill relaod speed.

[undone sorrel]

i mean

more reloads, more shooting, more free ammo

[silver mural]

Im gonna run a bit of that part of the tree in my toxic build as i feel dependancy isnt as nescessary for rampage and i love the super easy tough regen adrenaline can give you, ill be sure to pick it up

[simple oyster]

Just run manstopper and scattershot. or manshotter and flechettes to kill ragers.

[zealous basin]

Longer desperado

[simple oyster]

the thing is like, I tried running both of the reload blessings and the difference in reload speed is so diminishing

[hazy vector]

what blessings are you using

[undone sorrel]

speedload on the dual smgs makes them actually bearable which is nice, their base reload is awful

[unique dagger]

Hyper Critical only procs on melee attacks lads

I'm sorry

[simple oyster]

like you're capped on reload speed at a certain point.

[low harbor]

You can pretty easily get +28% atk speed reliably from tree, without rampage

Hyperviolence also scales super well with BM

And since it doesn’t scale well with chemist talents u can just skip them and get nicer things elsewhere in tree to max melee dps

[frigid adder]

Question does the stim bonuses stack or no? Ie is two attack speed nodes 8% or just 4%

[undone sorrel]

ahh, damn 😔

[zenith pagoda]

Does stim pistol 1 shot gunners in h40?

[hazy vector]

Don't forget there are plenty of nodes for reload speed + reload speed stim

[simple oyster]

this works just fine but you can swap out scattershot for flechette if you prefer.

[bronze glade]

It stacks

[silver mural]

It also wont trigger some node effects. For instance it doesnt count as a kill for regening your flash grenades

[hazy vector]

well stim cdr on kills is nice

[low harbor]

Also Rashad is like the best mixed horde melee hvs has

[woeful hill]

So in short, able to get decent attack speed and since Caxe doesn't need stim/tox buffs you just take all the damage talents

I see

[low harbor]

None of the hvs exclusive melee weapons are good at mixed horde unfortunately

[zealous basin]

It's only getting 5% rn

[undone sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-cat-apple-cat-zhuangzhuang-zhuang-gif-10567909272833094461

need them all

[zealous basin]

That doesn't work for dual autos currently

[low harbor]

Bonesaw low cleave
Crowbar’s blunt atks don’t do as much damage across cleave
Shivs just exist

[undone sorrel]

all the reload speed

[silver mural]

Rashad is fun but i have a need for speed that only taxe and combat blade can quench. I must run

[bronze glade]

What are you using for attack speed besides rampage?

[regal kite]

good lord rampage with the tac axe is good

[low harbor]

Swift endurance + adrenaline

[hazy vector]

What blessings for needler?

[bronze glade]

Ah makes sense

[zealous basin]

Reload speed on dual autos bugged rn you can only get 5% from speed loader

[hazy vector]

That's a lie that people gaslit themselves to believe in

[toxic dagger]

Cole said it was fixed on the 27th on the media build patch

[bronze glade]

Rampage is good*

[random shuttle]

lol first buy, thanks brunt

[low harbor]

For adrenaline the best upgrade imo is killing blow + 4s duration + TGH/s

[random shuttle]

you a real homie, Brunt

[undone sorrel]

i like taxe, but i also like not having carpal tunnel

[simple oyster]

I really don't like the stimms tbh.
The bonuses seem very strong in theory but the cooldown on a decent stim is brutal when you could just be having a cleansing stim on you at all times 🙂

[vernal sluice]

Make it rain, mucker

[zenith pagoda]

I wanna find out stim pistol still works well in h40 for if HP is too high

[vernal sluice]

Man I still cannot put down the shivs

Such fun melee

[silver mural]

Adrenaline seems so good. Besides the immunity to damage part of the vulture tree i think its the best keystone overall (but of course any gun focussed builds should still grab vultures still i just mean in terms of relative value)

[rotund agate]

btw, am I the only one who uses Coated Weapon on a non-toxin build just to get my Custom Stimm quicker?

[regal gorge]

brunt gave me a 61 mobi 79 pen shivs at best

[undone sorrel]

also i assume mobility is the dump stat on every weapon? Is crowbar any different since it has mobility and defences?

[woeful hill]

Mobility is a safe dump, yes

[zenith pagoda]

I get confused

Throwing knife + blitz + ability + stim

[woeful hill]

Defense is a little less useful

[simple oyster]

you can dump stability on the needle gun.

[limber cradle]

Guess imma roll a Rashad today

[silver mural]

I was excited for this class because of the guns and i might end up loving the melee side even more. This is a weird feeling

[simple oyster]

because the recoil is like zilch

[regal gorge]

I've found melee feels more consistent on Hive Scum so far, not found a gun build that feels good on Damn and higher yet

[zealous basin]

I was told by Reginald that it was still a problem when he was playing it on the 1st and also I can only get slightly faster with speed load 70% reload speed should still make the animation around 1-2 seconds but it's still not

[silver mural]

Have we figured out any reason to have the damage stat on needler since it doesnt seem to affect the tox damage?

[woeful hill]

The initial hit damage is lower

But not my much

[unreal stirrup]

bruh all my build is reset

[vernal sluice]

I only situationally use guns and preferably stick to melee. Guns usually go out when I need to pop desperado

[silver mural]

The initial hit doesnt seem tk change any break points

[unreal stirrup]

god mother fucking damn'

[woeful hill]

You can dump either stability/mobility/damage

[simple oyster]

guns are decently held back by needing to dodge to get a lot of your damage perks to activate, and sometimes you're just not having to dodge anything even on higher difficulties.

[zenith pagoda]

I'm trynna find out if stim pistol can 1 shot gunners in h40

[silver mural]

Good cuz i have a perfect 60 damage needler and i dont want to reroll if i dont have too haha

[simple oyster]

in melee your dodge stuff is basically always active

[frigid adder]

What weapon is Rashad? I don't recognize the name and I'm curious now

[woeful hill]

Combat axe

[limber cradle]

Why would you dump dam over stab or mobi?

[frigid adder]

Ahh

[vernal sluice]

Also called caxe for short here

[silver mural]

This is true, and at range i think desperados immune to ranged effect triggers dodge nodes if applicable

[woeful hill]

The needler is pinpoint accurate

Even with like 10% stability

[zealous basin]

No it's not 😭

[regal gorge]

has anyone got a build for hive scum atm that's decent? Trying to see if I am just falling for mid builds over decent ones

[woeful hill]

I didn't Notice a difference

[vernal sluice]

Check pins for builds

[zenith pagoda]

Does crit with stim pistol apply 2 stacks?

[silver mural]

This was fixed according to cole

[regal gorge]

ty ty

[simple oyster]

Don't dump damage on the needle gun, it actually does a lot of damage up close with the shot itself.

[limber cradle]

Also you guys should show me your gangers, this is mine

[main trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aapn5JZr7vQ
why is this guy so foolish?

[unreal stirrup]

tanner

[zenith ferry]

don't diss the god of Darktide

[bronze glade]

Why are you watching Tanner videos

[elder needle]

why are you still consuming their content

thats the more apt question

[zealous basin]

Then when I stack 70% rs why is the animation still 4 seconds instead of 1-2

[vernal sluice]

TANNER ALARM

[bronze glade]

Imagine giving him the time of day

[main trellis]

someone has to stare at the abyss...
to be able to battle it effectively

[vernal sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/coal-coal-alarm-alarm-gem-cringe-gif-12659343827939057679

[unreal stirrup]

yeah the guy who famously harass the warframe community manager

[bronze glade]

I only remember he exists when someone reminds me

[silver mural]

My animation is definitely faster, im not sure

[vernal sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052591225745702922/1445827711594532900/image.png?ex=6931c37c&is=693071fc&hm=05d87433ffbff28e51137a2250fb798229f7e7d29bcbb25cdfb36bb6dfe52877&

[fickle socket]

idk what dump stats i want to put on my knifes
is it mobil, but the whole gimmick of hive is his movement

[zealous basin]

Are you using speed loader?

[bronze glade]

It’s mob

[zealous basin]

Cuz speed loader sorta works

[sturdy marsh]

Is cleave good to build towards using the crowbar? Or should it matter

[limber cradle]

I can't get over how sick the pseudo gladiator aesthetic is, very sick

[vernal sluice]

Ikr

[hazy vector]

test it

[zealous basin]

I did

[hazy vector]

]What blessings for needler?

[north meteor]

I know nothing about this, but I've been told by others that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to Darktide. That being said, I've seen one video of his ever lol

[zealous basin]

For 10-20 minutes

I tested it

[fickle socket]

thx game

really cool

[regal gorge]

does chem dependency work in any builds and feel good or is it more of a meh keystone?

[zealous basin]

Speed loader only gets 5%

[main trellis]

to be able to understand what he thinks; gathering info is important for future... 'healing' of unfortunate victims of his takes - like a Plague Doctor willingly gets into the center of the plague to understand it better in order to fight it

[dim moth]

good for infinite-er ammo if you like spamming desperado

[full sleet]

are the corruption removal perks not working or do they only affect the corruption in a wound?

[forest willow]

Lore accurate

[simple oyster]

Tbh to know the rocket is bad you only need to look at the super overtuned chem grenade ha

[bronze glade]

He’s a clueless mfer that’s good at gaslighting people into thinking he knows his shit (he doesn’t). He’s probably the number one source of misinformation on this server

[north meteor]

most testing says to take one of the other two keystones

[silver mural]

Maybe if you stack ranged damage nodes you could make the initial damage kill a pox walker in a few shots. But the poxwalker is already dead after one shot no matter the diff so im unsure what the utility of that is. And those nodes arent very useful on a needler build beyond in your face which for some reason is raising my tox damage despite no other ranged damage nodes doing so.

Maybe to trigger the aoe tox faster?

[regal gorge]

[dim moth]

only affect the corruption in a wound same as every other form of corruption removal that isn't med stimms/medicae

[sturdy marsh]

This class makes me feel like I did when I first started playing. Scared of gunners and ragers

[vast plover]

yeah its perma ability spam basically while you chug stimms

[woeful hill]

Sadly he doesn't know a lot of what he talks about in darktide

[silver mural]

The blessing or the node

[rare idol]

this is really nice on a rampage build

[regal gorge]

mm, I see. Worth for a stim build but not much else

[random shuttle]

wwop

[frigid thorn]

My favorite is him randomly getting beef with Hank and claiming that he helped design and playtest the Ogryn rework despite being banned from this discord server

[random shuttle]

all masteries unlocked

[fickle socket]

what should i put on my knife as blessing and perks

[rare idol]

the rocket is pretty bad tho

[north meteor]

Gotcha. I just watched a havoc 40 run video of his when I first started to get really into the game

[fickle socket]

Carapace with stanima?

[north meteor]

rip

[rare idol]

rocket is a krak that you cant regen

[zenith pagoda]

Does needle pistol apply double stacks on crit?

[near mauve]

hur durrrr my hekkin number le minmaxxing le value hurrr duuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rare idol]

i am legit only keeping it for the penance

[woeful hill]

You should try flak plus carapace or unyielding

[main trellis]

once i try it in endgame i'll formulate my opinion; but comparing it to boss melting kraks do despite working differently is pepega brain

[woeful hill]

Know the armor types though

[near mauve]

gamers when they see the coolest shit ever but turn into meta slaves

[toxic dagger]

I recommend combine00, Reginald, epic_cole, vamp, ryken, uhhh... probably more. But definitely these folks. For darktide knowledge

[broken moss]

it does a much, much larger amount of damage than a krak

[rare idol]

which is irrelevant if you cant find any grenades

which is super common in auric/havoc

[fickle socket]

and blessings?

[tepid cosmos]

Paid actor smhmyhead

[rare idol]

b/c there are higher priority grenade gobblers than a mildly upgraded krak

[silver mural]

Not double, afaik its plus 2 stacks for the primary and plus 1 for the secondary. Might be different for both marks.

Weakspots also increase the stacks so a weakspot crit can apply nearly double the stacks

[zealous basin]

Blessing

[random shuttle]

And Kuli guides.

[vernal sluice]

I've watched a couple of Reginald's vids on hs and they helped me a lot

[broken moss]

yea I agree their main failing is capacity

[zenith pagoda]

Thank you

[rare idol]

as soon as i can ditch rocket i will, its cool af but totally useless

but i grinding the penance

[main trellis]

good that you specified 'darktide knowledge'; very important
i like how regi puts numbers in

[elder needle]

could have faster swap speed tbh

the rocket that is

[rare idol]

the usage of the rocket is fine

[toxic dagger]

?

[tepid cosmos]

Rocket is fine

[north meteor]

which of these do you recommend for Havoc info? I've done my fair share of Havoc 40s, but I'm in the mood to learn more lol

[near mauve]

[zenith pagoda]

Is it worth taking hot shot on needle pistol then

[rare idol]

but for two total rockets the damage done is not enough. id rather get one rocket and have it perform like oggy big boom

[bronze glade]

Tbf. It’s prob very weak for players like him

[toxic dagger]

The first four for sure. They do a lot of havoc testing for new content and are super good players

[rare idol]

you can perk the rocket for 3

[tepid cosmos]

fucks real hard in games with a field improv vet

[silver mural]

Yes and no, for most of my play ive used no blessings as i was leveling and saving resources. I started to use it after i rolled a good one at level 20

[unique dagger]

If you wanna learn darktide I highly suggest kuli's guides

[regal gorge]

honestly not surprised he thinks so

[unique dagger]

can I post the link here for them @toxic dagger

[rare idol]

idk that havoc is gonna see a lot of scum

[lost bear]

Tanner has firm opinions and delivers them with a lot of salt and not much nuance

[bronze glade]

Kuli guides are the shit

[toxic dagger]

Which one?

[unique dagger]

kuli guides

[main trellis]

seen better but they are good

[toxic dagger]

Oh yeah go ahead!

Or course

[unique dagger]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

[hazy vector]

it is probably the best keystone lol

[unique dagger]

go get gorged on information lads and ladettes

[toxic dagger]

Kuli guides are amazing for levelling up your mechanics knowledge

[random shuttle]

Hi Hamdo! 😄

[toxic dagger]

Cannot recommend it enough if you want to really crunch the details

[random shuttle]

Long time no see.

You Scumming too?

[zealous basin]

Okay

[unique dagger]

kerfus what's up brother

[rare idol]

i enjoy scum a lot but it has the same problem that meleeker has: its tricky to play compared to just holding right click on inferno

[unique dagger]

I'm scumming rn

[zealous basin]

Thanks for the answer

[frigid thorn]

oh snap I know that name....from the ogrynomicon......

[main trellis]

i learned too from him on some blessing interractions

[random shuttle]

Same same, I do Scum

[toxic dagger]

Lol ye that's us

[random shuttle]

Ogrynomicon? What's that?

😏

[north meteor]

See I'm one of those players that performs okay and can usually throw stuff together and it works. But I don't know a lot of the math that takes place. Like for instance, I still don't know what Rending does

[unique dagger]

I understand. I think it is one of the biggest problems, and actually one of the biggest learning curves of this game

Fatshark won't explain anything

[toxic dagger]

Rending makes the damage negation from enemy armor against your attacks weaker

Hit armor gooderer

[rare idol]

the math doesnt really matter if you can execute

[sturdy marsh]

I feel like once I finally get gud scum might be my favorite class. If I ever get good

[rotund agate]

exactly, but I am willing to at least try making Adrenaline work, just because Dependency gets boring after a whiile...

[rare idol]

like if you are one of those people who literally never gets hit you can make anything work

[lost bear]

this is like saying that many people speak a language well but don't really know its rules: it works, but you can definitely squeeze a lot more mileage out with a little study

[zealous basin]

You will get good by playing scum

[glossy niche]

Why cant scum use the recon lasgun

[zealous basin]

And looking to see why you died

[fickle socket]

welp im walking from now on
is it the best roll tho?

[random shuttle]

rescum Lasgun

[frigid thorn]

is Stoked Rage good on the Adrenaline tree?

[toxic dagger]

I have it on good authority that desperado Uzi builds are goated with the sauce for dmg btw

[glossy niche]

Precisely

[toxic dagger]

Can do more than inferno psyker

So get in there and start shooting

[elder needle]

I mean, one is direct damage the other has a dot component

both can bypass resources constraints

not hard to see the pattern

[limber cradle]

Those things with that active are genuinely incredible man

[zealous basin]

When you die swirl your camera around and look at what's around you and see what contributed to your death and think about how you were playing and how you could have better handled the situation

[regal gorge]

are the dual uzi's speedloaders bugged like people are sayin?

[winged bay]

I guess I can post this here too

[north meteor]

I'm usually decent. I'm solid mechanically and know I like bleed and knives. I still have never made a gun build in the game (other than pskyer staves if you want to count those as guns lmao)

[hazy vector]

Was scoreboard updated?

[winged bay]

It's mine

[lost bear]

honestly the main causes of current deaths have been trying to brawl too many ragers at once

[heavy swan]

somehow rolled some Uzis with 76% across the board. might keep em

[winged bay]

I was the purg shriek psyker in that game

[woeful hill]

Precognition +riposte/uncanny. Or for bleed type guild Uncanny + Flesh tearer/lacerate. Try out the combos and see what you like

[north meteor]

ah appreciate it

[lost bear]

can get away with it on Vet with power sword and Arbites with damn near anything

[rotund agate]

btw, any advice on what extra nodes to take on Adrenaline Frenzy?

[heavy swan]

Power sword/falc have that good stagger for ragers

[elder needle]

depends how many points you have to spare

[limber cradle]

Tbf you can do whatever you want on arb and not die

[north meteor]

low key brute forcing melee when I started the game helped me out tremendously

[fickle socket]

what about dual stub, any perk and blessing on them?

[woeful hill]

I haven't used so not sure

[elder needle]

adrenaline unbound/stoked rage are probably the more valuable nodes

[zealous basin]

I die to ragers more than I would like to admit

[elder needle]

in general

[lost bear]

stoked, unbound, and smiter seem to be the go

[regal gorge]

yeah coming to Scum from being a zealot and watching my toughness vanish in 2 hits was very humbling

[woeful hill]

@unique dagger I am doing H40 solo with scum and I'm getting close to mid event on dark Communion. Running center ability and keystone

It's been fun

[near mauve]

ragers are not very hard for scum in melee with how wide the dodges are imo

[unique dagger]

it's probably the most soloable class lul

[north meteor]

my main deaths are crushers

[woeful hill]

Yeah

[unique dagger]

more enemies you can hit the better class gets

don't need to compete with team

[woeful hill]

I can dodge out of all specials even if I mess up

[north meteor]

I don't get hit until I do (and its always a big bonk)

[woeful hill]

Yeah

[unique dagger]

no teammates breaking your flow

[digital mango]

agreed

[unreal stirrup]

my ass is washed

[unique dagger]

I am testing some broken interactions with the class rn

[zealous basin]

I'm better at dealing with crusher packs then Rager packs because it feels like ragers never have an opening

[frigid thorn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0819d90-dbb7-4b05-ab85-dde5383196b6/rashad-needler

Does this build look ok for a infinite ammo needler + Rashad build?

[lost bear]

currently I've been abusing blind grenades to make sure I get to pick fights instead of facechecking a mess of angry mfers

[woeful hill]

You see the wildfire bug?

[unique dagger]

yeah it's reported should get fixed

[zealous basin]

Hey I'm literally working on making a video about reload speed

[woeful hill]

That was so annoying

[tepid cosmos]

the longer ranged dodge are evil made by big ledge to kill you

[woeful hill]

I went down to h28

[north meteor]

I've gotten decent at backstepping and have them fight me one at a time (kinda)

[unreal stirrup]

wildfire bug?

[past stump]

What's the bug?

[frigid thorn]

Just slapped it together after listening in here about stuff lol

[digital drift]

as much as i didnt care for or want this class
i will admit that its kinda fun

my only issue is without the mandatory defensive talents it feels way more glass than cannon

[rare stirrup]

The wildfire actually happens in real life in the server room

[sleek grove]

Traits for Bone saw?

[woeful hill]

If wildfire touches a demonhosts the game crashes for everyone in the lobby

[sturdy linden]

time to load back into floor kissing simulator

[regal gorge]

based cruelty squad pfp btw

[sleek grove]

i guess Shock and Awe, but no idea what else

[unique dagger]

I unfortunately discovered something really sad that works with ranged weapons macro

[north meteor]

oh no

[near mauve]

ive ledged myself so many times
these maps were not made for this looney tunes ahh dodge (i love it)

[unique dagger]

just waiting for it to spread like fire

[past stump]

Lmaaao.

[unique dagger]

if someone turns it into a mod

[woeful hill]

Probably will

[tepid cosmos]

Right now tis is but a scratch and burst of energy feel mandatory but are so far down the tree it makes leveling miserable

[dim moth]

gun...

[unreal stirrup]

real

[turbid yarrow]

Wrath generally, wiggle room on other ones depending on build. I am crit focused so I went stacking crit

[dim moth]

yeah tbh burst of energy should be where gang tough is

[lost bear]

rashad is bugged, as in on the build editor, or in darktide?

[woeful hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1445598234784432269/233C471.MP4?ex=69319685&is=69304505&hm=d55cd1eb5eaa39a512c7e2b7bb9874cdfb886118e3e6d5575a922ce1947b7536&

[dim wigeon]

what perks and blessings do people run on shivs when they are a melee weapon for desperado Dual autos

this my Autos by the way and i'm planning to use the one that focuses on single target heavy attacks

[woeful hill]

Was messing around in solo

[dim moth]

daemonhost never beating the paper tiger allegations

[turbid yarrow]

Shock & awe mandatory no question

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah I had it in my match

I've been warning ppl

[woeful hill]

For what reason?

[toxic dagger]

You should, goated roll

[turbid yarrow]

For saw it eats hordes

[past stump]

Imo ammo is a marginally better dump stat if you're running the node that brings your ammo back up to 20% on a ranged kill if it's below 20%.

[manic wolf]

Hive Scum best class ngl lads

[zenith pagoda]

Blessings for needle pistol? Desperado and hot shot?

[north meteor]

I kinda feel like explosive needler is gonna be BiS for poison. You can shoot the ground and infect multiple enemies, and I think they still explode

[elder needle]

either crit stacking or utility like ghost

[vast plover]

crowbar feels a bit meh on carapace

[dim wigeon]

Hey thanks for the advice, but I'm going to keep that as it is, That's just how I feel comfortable

[manic wolf]

Im one level away from taking this (gonna be my last point). Does it have an internal cooldown or is it actually unlimited ammo?

[past stump]

Fair. It's not like the class is lacking in it's own mobility either.

[past stump]

99% sure it's no cooldown.

[manic wolf]

Damn, alrighty then

[wet heath]

Trying hive scum rn, really can't get a hang of it, I'm feeling so squishy

[past stump]

You do need to pay attention to your ammo. If you run out only way to get back up and running again without pickups is desperado.

[livid raven]

no, you can just kill an elite or special

[manic wolf]

Am running Stub Pistols so I dont exactly have a lot of choice in taking that lul

[near mauve]

position well and dodge like your life depends on it

[past stump]

Leveling is tough, there's good survivability outside of the mobility options at the botton middle of the tree.

[outer plank]

What's the difference between the Branx VI and II Needle Pistol O.o

[dim wigeon]

Yeah and desperado already alone boosts your mobility by just allowing you not to consume stamina

[manic wolf]

Besides, the talent for critting an enemy for more than half their health for a kill is more value than you get out of any of the other blessings for the guns and thusly you can take Speedload which gives a hugemungous DPS increase

[livid raven]

the guns don't receive any benefit from that talent

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. uhh they certainly do

[past stump]

On lower difficulties and rarely even in higher ones using your last bit of ammo on a horde can lead to running out of ammo. Easy to avoid as long as your aware of it.

[livid raven]

they certainly don't

[past stump]

That's all I'm saying.

[livid raven]

you can kill an elite or special in melee to refill ammo

even at 0 ammo

[past stump]

Been having alot of fun pairing it with run and gun lol.

[obtuse tangle]

4 make aoe boom that sucks. 2 make aoe toxin that sucks less.

[zenith pagoda]

Does the needle pistol have any cleave to begin with?

[livid raven]

it does actually

it can cleave 1 poxwalker

[past stump]

Wait... omg I think my mind just assumed that it had to be done with a ranged attack.

[zenith pagoda]

Lol

[manic wolf]

Well im basically always hitting (humanoid) enemies for more than half thier HP with them, so I dont see why it supposedly isnt. The only major exeptions are Maulers and Plasma gunners/Cara Ragers if you dont dome them

[past stump]

Wait that node is stupidly broken then no?

[livid raven]

what is the talent you are referring to

[manic wolf]

Moreover the other blessings are mostly mid or so inconsistent its not worth it

[manic wolf]

Wow dude. "it doesnt work with those guns"..... ...."whats the talent" lmao

[livid raven]

yeah because i want you to read it

[fluid yarrow]

POV: SCUM

https://youtube.com/shorts/iPTA6mP2-l0?si=DznzTPmdZfBzckD2

[livid raven]

and read it again

and understand what a strike is

[livid raven]

(it's not a gunshot)

[vast plover]

kind of a waste unless you aren't confidently of your breakpoints

[manic wolf]

It seems to apply to gunshots, which makes sense, you know, given its in the ranged tree

[gleaming crane]

Still a shame the women aren't topless too. Slaanesh™ dislikes this.

[livid raven]

it doesn't and you also misunderstood how it works

[outer plank]

Yeah, wasn't testing that then I tried.. So, moah.. I guess it's not bad on II at least it applies a bit of toxin dot around it

[digital drift]

yeah
im not really doing anything special damage wise i couldnt do with every other class but i have 2 wounds and a light breeze kills me

[hazy vector]

wonder if it works on elites

[north meteor]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but critical strikes also happen from guns

[livid raven]

no

strike is a precise term used for melee hits

or better, one melee attack

[past stump]

@livid raven idk if you know this but I feel like you're coming across as as pretty obnoxious rn. Just a heads up.

[grand jewel]

bonus points

ill check our beloved kuli

[livid raven]

i didn't ask you bro

[random shuttle]

alright all kitted out

[zenith pagoda]

im so small and petite

[grand jewel]

Hitting 'human-sized' enemies with a critical melee attack kills the target instantly if the target were to be left with an amount of current health that was less than the attack's damage dealt.

For example, dealing 700 damage with a critical melee hit to an enemy who has 1800 current health will not proc an instakill because the enemy's remaining health of 1800-700=1100 is greater than 700. However, dealing 950 damage to an enemy who has 1800 current health will proc the instakill because the remaining health of 1800-950=850 is less than 950.

Breeds that are not considered 'human-sized': Beast of Nurgle, Bulwark, Chaos Spawn, Crusher, Daemonhost, Plague Ogryn, Reaper

[static thicket]

Is anybody else getting dropped reload inputs for the autopistols? It happens when I hit reload after I stop aiming.

[unreal osprey]

what dump stat on the dual autos

[livid raven]

yeah, that's just fatshark's inputs

[sleek grove]

I mean isn't it just 2x crit damage if it kills

[grand jewel]

it also eats the animation for the reload sometimes so you will just stand there not doing anything but can't shoot

but it does finish reloading

its just whack

[amber lotus]

So the saw has a brittleness poison but it doesnt seem to work on armored enemies?

[pearl ore]

whats that perk that messes with your threat priority?

[grand jewel]

you mean talent?

[livid raven]

weapon perk?

or you mean talent

[pearl ore]

talent

[past stump]

I am very sure it works on crushers.

[pearl ore]

danke

[grand jewel]

3rd times the charm

[pearl ore]

im working on something needler ey

and I think that would help it

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445844339723866238/image.png?ex=6931d2f9&is=69308179&hm=13928b378d488011050731026e97f69eb6360dab98b206c530b9fe5fb1a83332&

4th time

[torn ember]

uh oh

[livid raven]

it's a bit hard to know if it's actually helping

[manic wolf]

Isnt this just Zealot aggro dump, but worse?

[novel quest]

pretty sure everything for hive scum is mobility

[woeful hill]

Threat is very weird

[pearl ore]

I mess with threat mit stuff a bunch

I like smokes

[woeful hill]

The best way to understand is to read on how Kuli explains it

In the pins

[pearl ore]

naaah

[novel quest]

btw is it just me or is the rocket launcher REALLY underwhelming

[pearl ore]

I do it by feel

[unreal osprey]

yea :(

[torn ember]

Reading doesn't found very Hive Scum-like

[woeful hill]

Stealth agro dump is way worse

[livid raven]

maybe if it didn't have such long draw speed

[pearl ore]

it has really good comedy timing to watch

[woeful hill]

Since it's instant and 100% chance

[novel quest]

it's such a shame

[hollow oar]

Heh

[unreal osprey]

its the thing i was most exicted for on the class

[pearl ore]

like when you see an ally whip it out and start blasting

[manic wolf]

Not really, its just a "fuck this elite blob in particular" blitz

[hollow oar]

-Treat but then you shoot a lot

[pearl ore]

it has ogryn rock energy

[novel quest]

the flashbang and the tox nade are way better

[torn ember]

Rocket Launcher feels like it needs faster draw speed, less (or zero) movement penalty, and an extra shot

[livid raven]

tox nade is kinda the goat

[hollow oar]

And suppression builds aggro twice as fast than kills

[novel quest]

it feels like a way, way shittier krak

[hollow oar]

Peak Fatshark right there

[astral lintel]

hyper-critical theoretically synergizes with boom bringer

[livid raven]

it's like the zealot's fire nade but like 3 times the radius and it actually kills stuff

[unreal osprey]

and the fire delay is annoying as fuck too

[past stump]

I'd recommend mobility. Though it's nice the class doesn't really need it considering how much it can get from the tree.

[rotund orchid]

Tox nade is insane, I feel like that's gonna be the first thing to get nerfed

[novel quest]

true

[bronze glade]

Crazy how it’s just an upgrade to fire nades lol

[manic wolf]

I would argue its better than Kraks coz the radius is bigger, but its kinda just Ogrynhiemer bomb, but worse

[livid raven]

nah pickpocket is 100% eating dirt first

[bronze glade]

Zealot can’t stop losing

[torn ember]

Like why would I ever use the Rocket Launcher when I could just chuck a nade of "kill everything in this area for the next 20 seconds"

[rare idol]

hit dudes hard

[novel quest]

really? I feel like it's gonna be Dependency

[pearl ore]

Ill always go for the feel of things in darktide

[rare idol]

desperado is sick

[pearl ore]

and you know what blind grenade is?

[rare idol]

easily my fave way to play scum

[bronze glade]

Blinders are amazing

[rare idol]

the middle path is very dependable tho

[livid raven]

i still have to unlock aurics but

[rare idol]

ive been desperadoing in aurics its good times

[torn ember]

Blind Grenades are incredible once you get the talent that makes them apply Chem Toxin

[livid raven]

i do damnation using only the double autoguns, no melee

[manic wolf]

Bosses tbh, stack up Brittleness, shoot with launcher for big chunk of HP gone, you can proc DoT with it too, and toxic DoT is easy to come by in melee too

[livid raven]

desperado is just that good

[hazy vector]

no, it is already dummy powerful

[livid raven]

and it's safe as hell too

[rare idol]

im not willing to gamble on pickpocket tbh

[torn ember]

Now that's fair, but with only 2 charges vs. 3 it's a hard sell

[rare idol]

i do melee

[livid raven]

it's not really a gamble

[torn ember]

Compared to the Chem grenades?

[hazy vector]

you mean autopistols? Autoguns are different thing

[rare idol]

if i absolutely have to i will pickpocket for ammo but i just dont trust it

[hazy vector]

i am thinking to try vrak iag, should be good with desperado

[livid raven]

look, they are both guns

and they are both autos

[woeful hill]

Per stack, grants a threat weight reduction of 12.5% for 3s; stacks multiplicatively with itself, up to 41.38% at max stacks (1-0.875⁴=0.4138). Generally, there are multiple weight factors (e.g. distance, number of occupied slots, being disabled, being targeted by a monster, etc) that are used during combat to calculate the score which determines the enemy target selection of player units. This talent grants a weight multiplier which manipulates that overall score in the player's favor to make it less likely to be targeted by enemies.

[manic wolf]

Can take the extra charge node for it. Its just geared more towards "I need space now/This thing dead imminently" as opposed to the other two options

[zenith pagoda]

Point blank on needle pistol works for melee weapon kills

[livid raven]

what

[hazy vector]

So recon also can be called autogun?

And shredder?

[woeful hill]

Threat is an interesting system

[hazy vector]

And twin sta bber?

[rotund orchid]

Haven't gotten the chance to try it but seems quite good

[torn ember]

"Dead imminently" doesn't work when the damned thing takes like 2 seconds to draw and charge up before it fires

[livid raven]

technically two guns

[torn ember]

And I'm taking that extra charge node on both the Launcher and the Chem nades

[north meteor]

I think people believe dependancy is the worst keystone of the three

[novel quest]

Vraks IAG is really good, I'm a big fan of it on Arbites. dunno how it is with Desperado scum tho

[gleaming gust]

Btw in case anyone was curious of the difference between damage dump stat on the shiv vs mobility dump stat on the shivs here is the numbers: 60 damage 80 mob vs 80 damage 60 mob

[hazy vector]

So it is literally double autogun as well? 🤔

[novel quest]

that can't be true

[manic wolf]

Ehh, Ive not had issues with the draw speed myself, but yes the charge time is a little annoying, but you can work around it. Its great for clearing a bunch of Crushers or Bulwarks off someone for a res for example

[novel quest]

you pretty much get a crit increase for just playing the class normally

[echo python]

I think it's one extra stack, not double

[north meteor]

the other two are just more opportunity cost

[livid raven]

if you have a stack of dependency and you use your stimm, do you also refresh the duration

[unreal osprey]

does the bonesaw have a more interesting attack pattern than "spam heavy for single target spam light for hordes" or is every weapon we ever get from now on going to be 1 dimensional

[novel quest]

yes

[dim moth]

light attacks are not for hordes on bonesaw

[novel quest]

and it's one stack decay every 90 seconds

[vast plover]

bruh

have new players never watched a WW1 movie

[dim moth]

you have to do push attack, heavy, heavy

[north meteor]

that being said, I'll probably still do dependency for a bit to test it out

[livid raven]

i am debating on switch to it from vulture

[dim moth]

all of bonesaw's lights have horrible angles

[vast plover]

this new map is getting some funny deaths

[rose flax]

Gamble?

[novel quest]

if your stimm has a 40sec cd, it's busted

[novel quest]

give it a try

[livid raven]

it's just that vulture has much less tax nodes

as in, 0

[zealous basin]

I did this it's really fun

[manic wolf]

Its pretty good tbh, like Aqua said, if you dont use all your stim points n keep CD at about 45s, you literally never drop stacks

[north meteor]

my stim goes crit and mobility

idk if I want to do CDR

[limber cradle]

Fuck, ime you even want the vulture sub nodes, they're great.

[unreal osprey]

the new mission is so underwhelming :(

[novel quest]

I full send strength on mine

[unreal osprey]

feels like a vermintide mission

[glossy niche]

When a mommy baneblade and a daddy baneblade love each other very much, they make a leman russ

[zealous basin]

@rose flax is speed load talent or blessing bugged

[unreal osprey]

or a space marine 1 mission

[hazy vector]

So what is your preferred viscosity

[zenith pagoda]

Idk when point blank started working properly but it does for needle pistol

[dim moth]

do you mean the upgrades to them?

[manic wolf]

Take the node that gives you CDR on stim for kills then, you can do both, its just less of a fine line with the lower cooldown stim

[livid raven]

they are, i only have doubts about vulture's push

[novel quest]

I quite like the whole trench warfare aspect

[livid raven]

no, the nodes to get there

[limber cradle]

It's a safety net node imo

[livid raven]

also vulture's dodge is kinda

[bronze glade]

I think you’re going to be in a minority there, I think it’s a pretty good change of pace

[livid raven]

cracked

[manic wolf]

Its too short tho that mission, more like the train mission than a full fledged one

[north meteor]

yea I do strength/crit and mobility tree

[limber cradle]

Vultures feels crazy imo

[rose flax]

Neither is bugged, they both work, but the blessing doesn't stack with the talent

[vast plover]

watching people just walk in no man's land and flounder and die do be funny

[north meteor]

yea maybe I can get 40 CD with it

[zealous basin]

Is that by design or by bug

[unreal osprey]

yea im really partial to the industrial hive type of mission

[manic wolf]

People do not be using the shell holes, its true

[rose flax]

I have no idea at this point, sadly

[dim moth]

only useful on super magdumpy guns, actively breaks other on-kill effects, highly situational

vulture's mark has the worst nodes that lead into the keystone

[zenith pagoda]

I am a Rager

[zealous basin]

Cuz I've been testing reload speed and it "does work" but I can only get a .5 second reduction no matter how much I stack

[livid raven]

what you are refering to

[novel quest]

most other missions look all industrial and you're running through big abandoned mechanisms of buildings. this is actually deep in the trenches and I like that, adds some variety

[dim moth]

the talents that lead into vulture's mark

Unload is only useful on super magdumpy guns

Hyper-Critical breaks on-kill effects

[livid raven]

i am using double autopistols

[dim moth]

and Ramping Backstabs is very situational

[livid raven]

i don't have any on-kill effects for melee

[bronze glade]

Yeah it’s one thing the game has struggled with, so i welcome the variety

[torn ember]

Hyper-Critical is probably the best but since it breaks on-kill effects you have to avoid things like Blinder Grenades

Which is... annoying

[livid raven]

oh that's fine i use chemgrenades

[rare idol]

i like tank mission, its fun

i want the tank to shoot an mg

its ridic to be going thru the zone and the tank isnt even firing a coax bolter

meanwhile im dumping several truckloads of ammo out at heretics

[bronze glade]

Lion heart making us do all the hard work smh

[rose flax]

Hyper critical is used to kill
Why would it not break?

It's the same as haymaker

[novel quest]

fr it woulda been so cool if the tank gave supporting fire on like boss enemies or smth

[rare idol]

they couldnt have homeboy pop out the top and unload with a pintle ma deuce?

[zealous basin]

Need a dev to tell us fr

[kindred plume]

Let me guess, macro for trickster.

[north meteor]

this is what my plan is

[torn ember]

Dragor probably removed the Coax due to it ruining the aesthetics of his tank. or something.

[rare idol]

i mean we know they can make vehicles fire in this game because they do the swoops with the valkeriye at the end of hab drayko and a feew others

[novel quest]

do you mean Hyper-Violence

[torn ember]

No

[novel quest]

which one is Hyper-Critical again

[north meteor]

hyper crit executes

[novel quest]

sounds busted if you're running shivs and big crits

[torn ember]

It's really good on crit shiv but it breaks on-kill effects which really sucks

[rose flax]

But it only works with melee, hence "critical strikes"

[novel quest]

must be bugged

[bronze glade]

Hmm wdym breaks on kill effects?

Because the talent causes them to die?

[livid raven]

blinder recharge count, hyper violence resets to 0

[bronze glade]

Oh that sucks

[livid raven]

and more probably

maybe a bug?

[astral lintel]

critical or violence?

[livid raven]

well it makes sense that it breaks hyper violence

[vast vapor]

Really hoping for more. Anything else good besides gas grenades?

[torn ember]

Violence

Hyper-Critical breaks Hyper-Violence

[livid raven]

you are asking which is better or which i am talking about

[astral lintel]

damn that's rough

[rose flax]

Kulis guide
So you know it's good

[livid raven]

hyper critical breaks the onkill effects

[flint granite]

Ok I slept I'm not tilted anymore

[astral lintel]

latter. i missed some context

[livid raven]

then critical

hyperviolence is just more damage

[broken bear]

Lowk I fuck with hyper critical

Seems to be good to have to buff your shivs if ur going mainly ranged

[livid raven]

with 0 melee investments, it actually makes your melee good for hordes alone

[woeful hill]

Hi not tilted anymore

[broken bear]

Ya that’s my idea

[livid raven]

or at least, the shivs

[woeful hill]

Have

[livid raven]

which is why it's in the ranged tree, probably

[broken bear]

Basically the “make the shivs good for like 0 cost while u desperado to the max”

Melee toughness and hyper critical seems best imo for a shiv ranged build

(Shivs and built with ranged focus)

[limber cradle]

Ik Scum has nil toughness traits but I really like the ones they do get

[high gull]

@novel oracle Your infinite ammo desperado build is fun as fuck ngl

Feels liek when I see a horde

I just blend them

[limber cradle]

Desperado my goat

[vernal sluice]

IIRC, assuming Dragor is commanding a modified Demolisher variant (considering every leman russ we see in the game is a Demolisher), it has zero physical space for a coax weapon

only the Conqueror variant has a coaxial storm bolter to my knowledge

[broken bear]

Them getting toughness on melee and ranged kill is lowk goated

[rare idol]

It’s good but it makes your damage stat look lower 😂

[broken bear]

Send it to me plz

[unreal osprey]

do you guys like inspiring barrage or pinning fire on the dual autos more

[fickle socket]

which one is better

[vernal sluice]

pinning fire

[silver mural]

Ive seen a few comments in here about waiting for higher levels before attempting to roll good stat weapons. Is it true being level 30 improves the chances of rolling 60s?

[vernal sluice]

I don't find insipiring barrage necessary

[unreal osprey]

second one, already yellow and the dump stat you want

[fickle socket]

i can always upgrade the knife
but fair

[limber cradle]

Agreed, big time. Great talents.

[high gull]

It's in the pinned

[novel quest]

the ones you get are enough anyway, anymore and this class would be too overtuned

[broken bear]

Thx

[novel quest]

don't forget you have toughness curios

[high gull]

@broken bear It's the wtf is an ammo build

[unreal osprey]

@novel oracle bc ur a beta tester did you already have ur scum maxed when it dropped or did you have to make a new character anyways

[high gull]

When you get your build online via traits you really really don't need much

[rare idol]

2x t 1x s curio with s regen, combat ability and t for the minors has been working for me

[vernal sluice]

I'm inclined to agree. Once I had both voice of tertium and that toughness regen talent I virtually stopped taking chip damage in auric

[high gull]

They start over same as us

They just get early access to it

[plucky girder]

what on earth is threat? what like im less likely to be targeted or something?

[high gull]

So by the time it realeases for us

[vernal sluice]

Yes

[high gull]

They've been grinding it out for a few odd hours

[unreal osprey]

does carapace armor have flat damage reduction alongside the usual better armor rating?

[vernal sluice]

threat is enemies' aggro priority of you

[high gull]

@limber cradle What guns do you run for desperado?

[woeful hill]

Per stack, grants a threat weight reduction of 12.5% for 3s; stacks multiplicatively with itself, up to 41.38% at max stacks (1-0.875⁴=0.4138). Generally, there are multiple weight factors (e.g. distance, number of occupied slots, being disabled, being targeted by a monster, etc) that are used during combat to calculate the score which determines the enemy target selection of player units. This talent grants a weight multiplier which manipulates that overall score in the player's favor to make it less likely to be targeted by enemies.

[vernal sluice]

probably either of the akimbos

[torn ember]

It has neither damage reduction nor armor rating. It has a different ADM

[vernal sluice]

they work the best

[zealous basin]

Hello I was wrong about reload speed being bugged but it's literally so diminished after 30% that it's literally not noticeable past it rn and also speed loader doesn't stack with the talent speed load so um yeah

[vernal sluice]

I tried desperado with brauto and was unimpressed

[woeful hill]

Long story short, enemies less likely to target you 1st

[torn ember]

... Why would Fatshark give us the ability to get like 110% Reload Speed and then make it start decaying after 30%

[plucky girder]

https://tenor.com/view/did-not-read-didnt-read-talking-heads-letting-the-days-go-by-gif-21389543

[unreal osprey]

methinks i dont understand how armor works in dt

[plucky girder]

the difference in the 2 replies i got to that question kills me

[woeful hill]

[zealous basin]

Even then you can only stack 70% max rn because the talent and blessing don't stack together

[torn ember]

Inspect a weapon, then select an attack. It will tell you how much damage that attack deals vs. the 6 types of armor.

[oblique basin]

With slices of strawberry is neat

[dim moth]

damn fanning revolver kinda fun with desperado

trickshooter actually being useful

[zealous basin]

I don't have an internal timer to do proper and accurate testing

[pearl ore]

3000% attack speed?

[vernal sluice]

You should read what ainz posted tho he's very knowledgeable about the game

[torn ember]

Basically, weapons have a damage value, and then each attack has modifiers for all 6 types of enemy armor (Unarmored, Infested, Flak, Carapace, Unyielding, Maniac). There's no armor values or damage reduction or anything like that (normally). It's just a multiplier based on the attack and the enemy's armor type.

[dim moth]

cumulative

not at once

[pearl ore]

thank god/damn

[silver mural]

I see, i run additional reload speed because cole says its good. Im not the greatest player so i put my trust in players i know are cracked

[dim moth]

reload speed directly translates to more damage dealt in desperado

because it makes reloading free

you want to empty as many magazines as possible

[manic wolf]

Makes Speedload an actually competative blessing for some weapons

[torn ember]

The problem is that Speedload (the blessing, which gives up to 50%) and Speadloader (the Talent, which gives 30%) apparently don't stack

Which makes one or the other useless

[heavy swan]

Whats the weapon special for the 1911's do outside of being gnarly

[manic wolf]

Sniper/Bomber killer

[dim moth]

more damage, steadily gain accuracy while spinning

[iron patrol]

we should give scum dueling sword

[heavy swan]

cool

[limber cradle]

Autos

[manic wolf]

Really?

[high gull]

What perks?

[torn ember]

Pinpoint accuracy and extra headshot damage

[high gull]

This is my current set up for them

[limber cradle]

Tbh rn its Flak+Unyielding but I'm sure there's better

[torn ember]

That's what @zealous basin was saying

[limber cradle]

I do blaze away+run and gun on blessing, but i also run sticky hands to make their spread super small

[manic wolf]

Does it not stack with any other reload bonus'? Was sure it did for other characters

[iron patrol]

isnt reload speed buffs capped at 70%

[amber lotus]

The scum cant pick up stimms if they have a cartel special but can teammates use healing stimms on them?

[torn ember]

I should stack with everything but Hive Scum has some issues right now.
Like the -50% Recoil stimm actually increases Recoil on the Dual Autos.

[hazy vector]

I just decided to play zealot and v et to see contrast with hiver... ANd i realised that basically most my favorite builds were something similar to present hiver

[high gull]

Been seeing alot of taxe gangers

[north saddle]

I dont like the new map. Not because of the design of the map or the mission itself.

But because the dipshit teammates of quickplay dont fucking know how to play it. If there ever was a map where you'd rush to the final area and then hold it, it would be that one. Instead these idiots get into firefights on open terrain with NO COVER and specialist spawnpoints on EVERY CIRNER and wonder why they get shot to death or doggod/netted/burstered

[hazy vector]

Only scum using stims when deploying it, and it activates that instant, you cannot put them alter

[torn ember]

Yeah teammates can still use stimms on you

[torn ember]

They were asking if teammates can still stim you if you have a cartel special

They weren't asking about stimm supply

[hazy vector]

ok then question is silly

[idle ocean]

I’m sorry : c

[novel quest]

accepted

[iron patrol]

rocket launcher gotta be the biggest trap this class has

[novel quest]

it is

it's really bad

[iron patrol]

worse than pre-buff krak grenades

[torn ember]

It's great at like 1 thing and worse than the chem nade in every other situation

[high gull]

This looks like that tanner apology letter thing

[woeful hill]

Lmao

[iron patrol]

its not even good at one thing

[woeful hill]

I don't think he can read though

[idle ocean]

I’m an anarcho-lindbergite

Proud

[iron patrol]

chem nade does anything and everything it does 10x better

[torn ember]

If your downed teammate is surrounded by a wall of Crushers and you're far away while another teammate is close by to res them, it's great.
Outside of that...

[high gull]

You can't be assaulting my literacy man

Not while I'm eating chicken and waffles

Let me have some joy in life

[idle ocean]

WOAH

what a goated meal

[iron patrol]

pocket sand is nice for comboing shit or clearing yourself from a corner

[idle ocean]

Dude I love chicken and waffles

[torn ember]

Pocket Sand is goated with the talent that lets it poison stuff

[idle ocean]

Send pic

[high gull]

The waffles are soft man, was hoping for crispy waffles.

[odd jetty]

Which combat axe is the good one? Is it still the Rashad?

[high gull]

I gotchu next time I order them

[iron patrol]

have you seen how far a veteran can yeet a fucking krak grenade

[reef spoke]

Rocket launcher is just "neat"

[torn ember]

Hive Scum does not have access to krak grenades

[idle ocean]

Dude there’s this place next to me here in VA that makes some bomb ass C&W dude

Like gourmet

And it’s cheap too

[torn ember]

I'm not comparing it to what other classes can do I'm comparing to what else the Hive Scum can take

[lusty egret]

any opinion on how to improve this? some perks i would like to slot in are "Float Like a Butterfly" "Hyper-Critical" "Hyper-Violence" and "Pickpocket"

[iron patrol]

he does have access to chem nades which throws identically and has more killing power than the rocket

[torn ember]

Hyper-Critical and Hyper-Violence is a nonbo

[limber cradle]

Pubs seem to love thing

And chem nades

[lusty egret]

Im running bonesaw and bolt pistol

[torn ember]

Do you even read what I post

[limber cradle]

Blinders tho? My goat.

[lusty egret]

not worth it?

[amber lotus]

The rocket launcher is fun but I dont really like blitzes that dont have a reliable way to farm ammo back

[livid raven]

more like they work against each other

[unreal osprey]

scum is definitely the worst anti armor class in the game yea?

[reef spoke]

To be fair, it means I get to run blinders

[torn ember]

Nonbo as in "not-combo" as in they actively fight each other

[limber cradle]

Blinders have the most fun regen condition in the game imo

[reef spoke]

So yippie c:

[idle ocean]

Are blinders like remotely competitive with the tox nades if you run that 3 stacks of tox on blitz?

[reef spoke]

Arguably its one of the best