hivescum-class

[idle lava]

Damn, near max stacks

[dim moth]

you get extra stacks on headshot and crit

with needle pistol not knives

[torn ember]

Max stacks is 31

[bronze glade]

6 on hs crit?

[torn ember]

7 on hs crit

[bronze glade]

Or was it 7

[dim moth]

no also knives I evidently just can't fucking aim these god forsaken knives

[past stump]

Hive Scum should have a node that gives a ramping bonus per teammate currently downed.

[torn ember]

5 normally, +1 for crit, +1 for hs

[light sleet]

just found out that chemical dependency doesnt grant stacks when you use stimm suply

[past stump]

🙂

[idle lava]

I went into Psych, and unless my mods were borked, it only counted upto six, and damage only scaled upto 90.

[north meteor]

they feel so different from zealot lol

[calm aurora]

a bug apparently

[dim moth]

headshot, bodyshot, crit headshot

[bronze glade]

Why would it, obviously not an intended interaction!

[torn ember]

To be fair stimm supply is anti-synergy with chem dependency because you can use the node that resets cooldown on stimm gain but yeah it's a little silly

[zenith pagoda]

Ive now completely maxed everything

[tranquil fjord]

vermintide shade curse

[bronze glade]

The right side is kinda borked

[light sleet]

i hope

[torn rapids]

What's good blessing and perks for the saw blade?

[tranquil fjord]

woe shitty moveset upon ye

[north meteor]

I just need to max my needler

[main trellis]

Aren’t they just like zealot knifes?

[calm aurora]

decimator + shock

[torn ember]

IMO Chem Dependency needs a rework so that the Cooldown Reduction is an upgrade talent while the main talent does something else to let it synergize with Stimm Supply

[north meteor]

no

[covert hazel]

What about talants?

[dim moth]

they're way heavier

[north meteor]

you have to arc the shiv knives more I feel like

[dim moth]

they have a steeper arc

[main trellis]

I see

What about the dmg?

[north meteor]

applies DOT and DOT does damage

[stone knot]

yeah, and being used to the zealot knife, I'm having a hard time adjusting

[calm aurora]

classic rampage build

[tranquil fjord]

the pins have a melee build. it needs a bit of the buffs from melee talents.

[stone knot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07e029c-5091-43b6-8b6e-8094459436b0/shock-and-awe-is-bis-now-btw?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[dim moth]

very green

[torn ember]

Oh just wait until you get used to the Shiv knife arc and then go back to playing Zealot

[stone knot]

oh no

[calm aurora]

it's not the same button

[torn ember]

(They should make both knives the same arc, for consistency)

[calm aurora]

for me at least

[dim moth]

understood, nerfing zealot throwing arc

[torn rapids]

What about perks?

[main trellis]

Only? No dmg on hit?

[stone knot]

a bit

[main trellis]

Less or equal for zealots knifes?

[stone knot]

way less

[nocturne anvil]

is it just me or does Hyper-Criticals not work properly

[main trellis]

Good

[calm aurora]

I would take at least carapace

[nocturne anvil]

I could do ~80% of an enemy's life and it wouldn't take effect.

[neon fern]

i didn't notice any significant difference with Hyper crits as opposed to without

[calm aurora]

as for the second, I need to try it more, but I would probably hesitate between flak and unyielding

[neon fern]

seems either broken or kinda worthless

to me

[reef spoke]

I just don't have enough crit to make it worth yet

[abstract onyx]

god every nick kills me

[neon fern]

i'm running autos with desperado

[calm aurora]

if you use it with hyper violence it's anti synergy apparently

[neon fern]

it's overkill even if it works tbh

[reef spoke]

Indeed, I think I need the pistols because they have crit bonus

[reef spoke]

I was thinking the crit chain would let me chain hyper crits into hordes

[zenith pagoda]

Lethal prox doesn't seem to affect blackout nades, can anyone confirm?

[neon fern]

didn't notice a big diff

[dim moth]

very noticable in psykhanium

[reef spoke]

But I think I need more levels to get more crit stuff

[dim moth]

since it applies a second hit of damage

[calm aurora]

if it's an explosion yeah it should

[tranquil fjord]

the crit bonus is broken right now and doesn't apply

[dim moth]

if you have hyper critical your crits effectively do double damage if that second crit would have killed the enemy

[calm aurora]

does it affect the rpg tho?

[neon fern]

yeah maybe with needle its better

[reef spoke]

FUCK

[zenith pagoda]

I tested it and it seems to not change the radius of blackout

[neon fern]

but with autos desperado it's uh kinda uselss

sorryz

[dim moth]

unfortunately it does this by dealing exactly the enemies remaining health as damage

[tranquil fjord]

you can still hit 50% crit breakpoint with crit chance refinement

[rose flax]

How is it on 4.50 stamina weapon?

[dim moth]

so it fucks over hyper violence

[neon fern]

but yah seems gfood on needler for the aoe

[nocturne anvil]

Like, it just doesn't work

[reef spoke]

Indeed but that's a lot of crit not there due to a bug :c

[tranquil fjord]

that's probably why the pistols feel a little meh rn

[reef spoke]

Oh that's interesting

[reef spoke]

Indeed, I chalked it to my low level at the time

Pain

[dim moth]

I don't know which weapons have higher stamina

[tranquil fjord]

why cant fatshark add an auto clicker already

giving players carpel tunnel when it should just be a base addition

i noticed how bad it is without mods

[zenith pagoda]

Nevermind I think it does

[nocturne anvil]

Probably will keep pistols on because I just like using them but yeah that sucks, this weapon would one shot prety much any human enemy with a crit easily.

[broken moss]

smells like scumbags

[drowsy relic]

No pain

No gain

They're training your fingers

[tranquil fjord]

my poor wrist man

playing tacaxe dual stubbers

[simple oyster]

Also tried the revolver but the MKII feels very bad with the reload in desperado v-v

[dim moth]

play infantry lasgun

[tranquil fjord]

the low damage high rof one?

god

[dim moth]

yeah

[nocturne anvil]

Full hp maulers would survive but might not depending on how I could tweak the build once I finish it. Though I'll only have ~ 15% more damage from the elite damage perk

[dim moth]

play it on fury zealot too so you have the attack speed increase from that

[rare tiger]

So out of 10 how’s everyone feeling about the class. Still on the fence about it tbh

[tranquil fjord]

pretty fun but softer than tissue paper

[dim moth]

9/10 from me, has clear hiccups on the talent tree and execution but holy fuck

[verbal orbit]

8.4

[tranquil fjord]

and crumbles as much too in a sticky situation

[nocturne anvil]

Much more fun than Arbites (No offense to arbites lovers)

[high wave]

What's the dump stat for Bonesaw?

[tranquil fjord]

8/10 or 9/10

[verbal orbit]

I'm satisfied for the most part. But Chem grenade is nutso

[rare tiger]

Interesting take 🤔

[calm aurora]

better use agri cs tbh

[tranquil fjord]

requires good gamesense and skill

otherwise you krumped

[livid raven]

i think desperado is a bit better than the other abilities

[simple oyster]

Feels very squishy. One mistake and you're out. Which I'm used to glass cannon vet builds but jeez.
Stimm balancing makes me sad, but otherwise the flavor and abilities are very fun.

[nocturne anvil]

I got bored of dog man really quickly because he's just a pile of high stats.

I actually love the variety with Hive Scum.

[verbal orbit]

The skillfloor on this class will cause the number of players playing it in difficulties 3-5 + Havoc to dwindle faster than other classes for sure.

[calm aurora]

3/10 if you're new to darktide, 6/10 if you try to lvl, 9/10 if you're solo

[simple oyster]

At least with weapon specialist it's very easy to have good range and melee on vet.

[calm aurora]

there's not glass canon vet rn

[dim moth]

yeah you can see them in the steam reviews lmao

[verbal orbit]

Devilclaw Sword parry can likely fill the gap when dealing with ragers/crushers in melee.

[calm aurora]

unless you go out of your way

[simple oyster]

On vet you can purposefully not take some of the defense stuff to deal extra damage.

[silver mural]

What is the best taxe and combat knife mk do people think

[simple oyster]

which can be really funny for deleting bosses.

[tranquil fjord]

mk7 tac axe but combat knife mark is either

[calm aurora]

mK7 taxe has the better moveset

[tranquil fjord]

both are good

[calm aurora]

whatever knife, try both

[nocturne anvil]

I usually do some bonesaw brittleness hits and hotswap to my secondary to burst them down after.

[north meteor]

hit damage is less than zealot knife by a good bit

[rare idol]

I think it’s pretty fun throughout, crowbar is a standout

[silver mural]

Is mk 7 the low damage one? The one whose heavies are just down then up over and over

[nocturne anvil]

Oops wrong reply

chat moving too fast smh

[calm aurora]

no that's 4

[rare idol]

I’m trying a low scatter double deagle build for gunner and special sniping and 👌

[nocturne anvil]

meant to reply to this

[calm aurora]

mk 7 has diagonal h1 and vertical h2

[bronze glade]

you mean dual m1911s

[silver mural]

Damn it lol, i guess i like the worse one

[bronze glade]

cuz stub pistol are def not deagle ripoffs lol

[rare idol]

Listen I only shoot em I don’t sleep with em

[bronze glade]

you sleep with your deagles?

[calm aurora]

it's ok, lightspamming on 4 is good too

[nocturne anvil]

You DONT sleep with your deagles?

[rare idol]

You can’t stop me

[bronze glade]

holes aren't big enough

[rare idol]

Alright time to show some nerds how to rampage in auric

[oblique basin]

This chem toxin on crit feels weird

[covert lagoon]

does medstims heal spread with the distribute stimms ability

[silver mural]

Is the mk 7 also light spam? I like me simple weapons

[dim moth]

yes

[bronze glade]

no it has an actual move set

[dim moth]

it gives every single person the med stimm

[rare idol]

Babby and momma are off to Costco, the dada is going to work from home murder heretics

[silver mural]

I hate actual movesets, im too stupid for them

[oblique basin]

What would be the most reliable weapon to proc chem toxin with the toxin on crit node?

[bronze glade]

use skitarius if you're on PC

[silver mural]

Prolly taxe or combat blade

[rose flax]

How so?

[faint fossil]

are the servers dying for anyone else

[silver mural]

Iirc the new knives are slower then combat blade but i could be dumb af

[bronze glade]

anything with shred and/or riposte

[faint fossil]

i got disconnected 6 times from my last match

[calm aurora]

am i the only one not using cartel stimms? at least for lvling

[silver mural]

Anyone try to make a parry build work with the Dclaw? I hate that thing lol

[rare idol]

You learn movesets by accepting you don’t know how it works and then playing it until the patterns become second nature

[rose flax]

They are, but it's not a huge difference

[calm aurora]

parry build?

[nocturne anvil]

Right now snatching med stims is easy because there's a lot of Scummers out there with stims not taking them
But later down the line if you're gonna be trying to abuse healing stims with your crate, I'm not gonna be looking forward to my teammates snatching every one of them up.

[covert lagoon]

why does melk have event section and why is it locked

damnit melk

[tranquil fjord]

no, the mk7 is yellow

[dim moth]

just communicate with them

[verbal orbit]

I plan to test this later tonight

[tranquil fjord]

upcoming event and new tab

[nocturne anvil]

a gamble

[rose flax]

Just parry lol https://youtu.be/N7TUYA-gg0Q?si=XfCmFqi1bu8yk_Mm

[tranquil fjord]

aquilas will be the final reward of it

[dim moth]

"hey can I have that green stimm I have stimm supply"

[nocturne anvil]

80% of the time I ask people for anything its just silence.

[bronze glade]

i'm not. i prefer the taste of the heretic stimms

[nocturne anvil]

Probably less common in

[zenith pagoda]

@calm aurora without lethal prox vs without

[nocturne anvil]

Higher difficulties

[dim moth]

I also get silence but usually if you're asking for them to give you something they'll give it

[calm aurora]

yeah rn I am ransacking every green stimm i can find

[dim moth]

at least in my experience

[calm aurora]

and the missile launcher?

[thorn prawn]

Crowbar, shiv, combat knife, and probably chainsword

[rare idol]

wow... i roll 10 defensive curios and get 8 wound curios

[nocturne anvil]

Had a mission where everyone was on deaths door missing a lot of uncorrupted HP and I'm spamming the chat

[rare idol]

l m a o

[nocturne anvil]

"PUT DOWN MED CRATE"

[rare idol]

i mean guess im glad i have a billion melkbuks

[nocturne anvil]

Bro kept it the whole mission and deployed it on the valkyrie

[dim moth]

shivs prob

[bronze glade]

classic

[reef spoke]

Barrels exist to solve this exact issue UwU

[bronze glade]

i feel like pub players have gotten only way worse

HIV pub players are fucking worst

[dim moth]

well you got to the valkyrie so clearly you didn't need it

[bronze glade]

spraying mac 10s into the horde and then getting shanked by a poxxer from behind

[obsidian crown]

I intentionally killed a guy who told me to go fuck myself after he picked up every pickup known to man

[calm aurora]

this is why marty zealot feels good lol, you're still fucking with no hp

[obsidian crown]

Then he cussed me out. I said skill issue and never ressed him

[bronze glade]

marty enjoyers

[tranquil fjord]

arbites helped a lot of them get into higher difficulties but

[reef spoke]

Randoms do indeed get too comfortable being rude

[tranquil fjord]

many lack the raw skill sadly

[nocturne anvil]

I guarantee he woulda taken that medcrate with us to our shared grave if we didn't

[calm aurora]

you shall proce until death every 90s or you're not a believer

[tranquil fjord]

or are just playing carelessly, which goes okay for arbites

[oblique basin]

Uhhhh interesting, so I guess I can mix bleed and toxin

[reef spoke]

Barrels are the tool to solve the problem

[thorn prawn]

Yep! Got one with bleed blessing on it. 16 bleed stack and 30 chem stack deals insane damage

[rose flax]

Tax axe
But any weapons, he has base 10% crit Chance

[covert lagoon]

like has the new event goals become even available yet?

[reef spoke]

Tomorrow based on initial announcement

[covert lagoon]

at least i have gotten hiver to 22

[reef skiff]

chat i was working on a build for hive scum was wondering if i could get some opinions

[zenith pagoda]

I feel like the cooldown stim doesn't do enough, I have all of this but it doesn't regen fast enough

[reef skiff]

so you know how rampage is extended a little with every attack

mix that with all my stimm points going into attack speed

profit

[rose flax]

I honestly don't think it works the entire time

[zenith pagoda]

Compared to yellow stims it's ass

[rose flax]

You might as well get the cool down on kill instead

[oblique basin]

Yeah, I just use att speed and call it a day

[hardy spruce]

you shouldnt compare it to yellow stims lol

[stone knot]

CDR Stimm is better for consistency

[rare idol]

you pretty much just have to accept downtime and take something else imo

[silver mural]

I love taxe and combat blade, perhaps ill try to roll a 60 mobility combat blade tonight

[rare idol]

and like buff the melee a good bit if you want to desperado

[vale breach]

just got the hivescum and already love the fella

[stone knot]

take that instead

[vale breach]

my boy shiv looking mighty handsome and ready to fill his veins full of space fent

[zenith pagoda]

Nah because I use the stim outside of combat, to get back my rampage, and then go back into combat

[stone knot]

I mean

[zenith pagoda]

Cooldown can't be reduced while rampage is active

[stone knot]

we're always in combat basically

[languid moss]

Just let me dust off this picture to drop here and run away (who knows, knows )

[reef skiff]

you know you can use stimm and rampage simultaneously

[rose flax]

How are you out of combat? Are you playing a low difficulty?

[stone knot]

not with the CDR stimm

it's useless

[reef skiff]

damn

[silver mural]

Is sprint efficiency worth it? I always thought it was better to mix in some slides

[stone knot]

the ability CD ticks before it ends

after

[zenith pagoda]

Even on havoc 40 there are times when there aren't melee in range

[past stump]

Yeah cooldown regeneration only regenerates an ability that has a cooldown to regenerate.

[bronze glade]

no, i mean HIV has literally the best stam econ in the game

[zenith pagoda]

And you shouldn't be on the frontline with the rampage debuff

[stone knot]

don't call it HIV 💀

[silver mural]

Yeah i slide and during the slide get back like a 5th of my stam its insane

[bronze glade]

you're gonna love my character name

[stone knot]

I won't 💀

[reef spoke]

With Ganger's insane stam stats, probably not needed

[stone knot]

Well, I don't

[zenith pagoda]

I have it on one curio

[silver mural]

My hive scum is called carrion. In my headcannon he got the nickname due to having a knack for finding the dead or dying and exploiting them like a carrion bird circling the dying omniously

[past stump]

Mine's called StimmKardashian.

[silver mural]

I apologize for inspecting the floor so much if you saw me in game

[stone knot]

oh that's pretty good

[wind egret]

Why is stim crate putting your stim on CD? Is it required to do the stim effect?

[stone knot]

any cracks in it ?

[marble pivot]

Just like with arbites there’s still that glitch where it thinks I don’t own the class

[silver mural]

Im an arbites main, you gotta understand how handicapped i am

[rose flax]

How? I play heresy and there's never a moment of rest lol
Though then again the specials for example are fucked in this patch for example
So maybe it's something else

[stone knot]

yes

if your stimm is on CD you only get the anti corruption effect

which sucks ass

[frigid adder]

Yo quick question fello druggies, do the % buffs on stim stack or is it always 4% attack speed rather than 4% + 4% + 4% etc?

[vale breach]

he sold my boy space fent laced with hivesCUM

[zenith pagoda]

I find it annoying because there aren't enough melee in front of me

[obsidian crown]

I’m testing sprint efficiency tbh because slide spam makes you immortal basically

[silver mural]

A ton, the nobility are failing the lower hive levels with the shoddy contruction on some of these levels. I mean does OSHA not exist in 40k??? Disastrous

[thorn prawn]

Rampage first. Pop defensive stim after rampaging with a crowbar with All Or Nothing

[bronze glade]

defensive stimm is ass

[languid moss]

btw, quick question that search didn't pointed me to anything:

Is the special attack from the dual stub pistol working? I don't know if I missing something, even changed the keybind just in case was the machine spirit of my mouse but... I just want to trickshot in the name of the God-Emperor

[stone knot]

you don't need sprint eff to go positive on stam when you slide tho

[thorn prawn]

It's cerrainly saved my ass

[calm aurora]

so tldr, use powercrit stimm or regular stimm?

[wind egret]

How is this meant to synergise with dependency? They seem anti-synergistic somewhat.

[stone knot]

click once on special attack, wait a bit, then shoot

[obsidian crown]

It’s more so I wanna run endlessly

[bronze glade]

it's like revive shout, cool in concept, not useful most of the time. and where its helpful, oftentimes you could've avoided the situation completely by taking something else.

[stone knot]

well. yes

it's ass

[past stump]

There's a bug apparently.

[fast surge]

I'm StimmotheeChalamet

[silver mural]

Attack speed is great on alot of builds too. And cdr is great potentially as well.

On a support build that cdr could mean an extra shout or psyker bubble or taunt when it would have been down!

[obsidian crown]

Where’s a RenAndStimmpy?

[oblique basin]

Wtf.... I thought it worked different lmao

[thorn prawn]

After rampaging's been a pretty good use case for me. Plus it's defensive + power since your stimms can have two branches worth of upgrades

[past stump]

Lol, I saw a StimmyTurner earlier.

[stone knot]

LisHiveAlGaib

[bronze glade]

yeah stimm supply kinda ass gonna be real

[pastel wasp]

does anyone know if the hyper critical talent execution lets you ignore the enemies hitmass for free cleave like haymaker kills do?

[calm aurora]

Ok we miss Justimm Bieber and Justin Stimmberlake

[oblique basin]

So I have to sacrifice the stim dependant stacks to get allys a buff??

[stone knot]

Yes

:D

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[somber blade]

btw whats the diff between these two? it just feels like the MK VI just does more damage on both fire modes

[silver mural]

Yeah id just go with the adrenaline keystone for support builds :(

[rose flax]

30% spring efficiency is insane on shivs lol

[calm aurora]

i was not thinking about the supply crate, I have not yet tried it

[pastel wasp]

mk4 = more dot stacks, mk2 = AOE dot stacks

[stone knot]

boing boing

[drowsy relic]

Mk2 has poison explosion on blue mode
Mk4 has regular explosion on blue mode
Mk2 is better

[silver mural]

Its lame the keystone doesnt work with the combat ability in its own part of tree

[rose flax]

Lol

[wind egret]

Stim supply will "copy" the contents of your stim... Is that so, Fatshark? I think you mean "steal".

[oblique basin]

I... I deadass thought I was helping the gang by stimming myself then using the crate lmao

[bronze glade]

you're helping them remove corruption

[thorn prawn]

Alt modes are different. One spreads 1 stack of chem to nearby enemies when target dies. The other explodes the target causing nearby mobs to be knocked back

[bronze glade]

[stone knot]

MK2 does less damage

[somber blade]

tbf tho mk 4 does more damage in yellow mode to crushers and thats pretty much i only use it for

[rose flax]

Homework copy

[silver mural]

Apparently it feels bad to use but is helpful. Mostly due to lacking rampage or desperado being such a huge difference for scum.

[stone knot]

no wait

[fast surge]

Does the custom stim do anything by default?

[toxic dagger]

By default you don't have one

[silver mural]

Not till you put pts in it

[toxic dagger]

You need to spend points to have one

[oblique basin]

Whole thing is wack then... wtf so it cancel esch other synergi or something

[calm aurora]

lacking rampage?

[fast surge]

I see

[zenith pagoda]

On some builds it's just better not to take custom stim

[silver mural]

Rampage is the name for the melee combat ability is it not

[calm aurora]

yeah but it's good tho

[toxic dagger]

That's why lacking it is bad

As in

[stone knot]

yeah MK4 needle does a bit more damage per stack

[toxic dagger]

Not having it

[silver mural]

Its very good, but if you pick the supply crate you wont have it, and you will 100 percent feel not having it

[calm aurora]

ohhhh

mb

[silver mural]

Its like double damage for 30 to 40 seconds. Rampage is insane

[obsidian crown]

CDR stimm just too good for desperado

[somber blade]

mk3 shivs with full crit+this talent is so banger

[toxic dagger]

I think the crate definitely needs more juice and better synergy with chemdep so you can go all-in on the chems in a worthwhile way

[thorn prawn]

Right side ability has a weird dissynergy with right side keystone

[toxic dagger]

Gonna push for that, try to brainstorm some better mechanics

[vernal sluice]

I'm glad ally chemcrates count for chem related penances at least

[zenith pagoda]

I think crate should always give your custom stim effect, it's too bad to manage and wait for stim to regen first

[glacial gyro]

Right side feels like it wants you to go all in on stimms, and then the keystone punishes you for doing that

[silver mural]

Id like for it to give a stack and also change the node that makes your supply crate come back when a stimm comes back to also work in reverse.

So if the crate goes of cooldown the stimm does too

[ruby path]

Hive scum sucks btw. So lame stabbing monsters with twisted sheets of metal and then pulling a rocket launcher out your ass while juiced on perc-50's

[drowsy relic]

I think they hit the same breakpoints so I just use it for the poison explosion

[hazy vector]

ok i was worng aobut emaciated males

still not buff enough

[toxic dagger]

One of my ideas is that chemdep CDR should apply to your stimm cooldown also if it is consumed by your ability

[hazy vector]

and not fat enough for a warrior

[somber blade]

fair fair might give it a go this time then

[toxic dagger]

So it comes back faster together with crate

[bronze glade]

i really hope they spend the next patch tying up loose ends: vet tree, arby's TW, right side HIV

[glacial gyro]

Thats good

[real dew]

Is there a point to the needler explosive shot? The explosion seems to be both tiny radius and tiny damage

[hazy vector]

still it is kinda office clerk complexion ****

[hazy vector]

it is for stagger

[toxic dagger]

And ofc chemdep should build stacks if your stimm is consumed by the ability

[hazy vector]

But stagger too low

[thorn prawn]

Wouldn't it be worse at 100% viscosity?

[vernal sluice]

not fat enough for a warrior
literally everyone is eating processed sludge rations at a starvation level

[livid raven]

the other mark spreads the remaining stacks to the enemies instead of doing a tiny explosion

[rose flax]

Yeah, the shivs...

Tac axe looking menacingly in the corner:

[oblique basin]

So if I want to go full support build I have to avoid stim dependant at all cost?

[zenith pagoda]

Btw I tested lethal prox and it does work for rocket and blackout, although the radius increase is very minimal

[ruby path]

GWoT veteran when he gets back to his hometown, works at the local realator office and sells dime bags on the side

[somber blade]

you mad man i must give this a go

[toxic dagger]

Right there needs to be a relation to high viscosity also, something that makes going full-send on the stimm lab worth it

[languid moss]

Didn't work but could be a "me problem". Will see if with time I can manage to do at least one to be certain, my beloved approves, thanks!

[toxic dagger]

Like a subnode that gives two stacks of chemdep if you use a fat stimm or something... Anyway like I said, needs more thought. But that's what I want, for the right side to feel synergistic about

• making a high viscosity stimm
• using the stimm in the supply
• and using supply and chemdep together

[glacial gyro]

Chemdep is kind of just a bad keystone. Melee builds absolutely want Adrenaline, ranged builds absolutely want Vulture, and chem builds... Want Adrenaline or Vulture.

[toxic dagger]

Those design goals need to be met somehow

[rose flax]

Use brutal momentum so when they die, you can hit the next(would stack with hyper violence)
Agile so you never have to reset dodges again

[hazy vector]

which face is it

[drowsy relic]

They should make the stim crate an active detriment

[grand jewel]

CDR is CDR

[drowsy relic]

If you use 2 at once you gain corruption

[glacial gyro]

How about instead of tying it to a flat cooldown, how about you have to use it within a certain time frame of it coming off cooldown?

[zenith pagoda]

What havoc modifer has left?

[zealous ravine]

chem side should allow cooler stimms not force me to get some low cd one for the keystone fr

[hazy vector]

lol

[rare idol]

auric qp is really interesting rn... and by that i mean its full of people with terrible weaps and no idea how to play because all my fellow nolifers bought scum and are leveling it LOL

[thorn prawn]

Frida Khalo

[glacial gyro]

CDR is mostly for making your ult come off CD, but if the box comes off CD and your stimm isn't ready, it doesn't apply your stimm effects.

[rose flax]

Has anyone tried blessed stims with a 15 second cool down stim?

[grand jewel]

yeah but other abilities can still want to run Chem Dependancy because CDR

lol

[livid raven]

for what

[zenith pagoda]

Bruh I've had a havoc reward sitting here this whole time

[grand jewel]

loot

[vernal sluice]

my stimm has just one point in +str and I'm using it to get one penance 😭

[vernal sluice]

I do not vibe with the stimm system

[glacial gyro]

I suppose, but I think I'd rather take rampage with adrenaline because stacking those is hilariously strong, rather than just having rampage by itself slightly more often

[livid raven]

this doesn't clear corrupted wounds

[grand jewel]

[rose flax]

Huh?

[grand jewel]

its good that it exists for choice

[real dew]

Yeah which is annoying

[livid raven]

it's a garbo talent

[real dew]

The med crate doesn't either

[livid raven]

it's basically zealot's but worse

[zealous ravine]

lmfao

same

[oblique basin]

Yeah, same same, I prefer to keep the chance to find a heal stim to use

[vernal sluice]

exactly

[glad latch]

I did it.

[glacial gyro]

I think you fundamentally misunderstand my argument. I have not said 'delete the keystone'. I said 'it needs to compete with the other two'.

[vernal sluice]

you know why?

cos what most often happens is

oh look horde, time to pop a stim
rest of my team deletes the horde instantly

[glacial gyro]

As in, make it better.

[livid raven]

i use stim only for cdr

[rose flax]

Oh, but even kuli guide doesn't say that, weird
Thanks for telling

[oblique basin]

Imagine, clutch situation, you are barely alive, you find a heal stim but can't use because you got cartel stim lol

[vernal sluice]

happened to me once already

[grand jewel]

no I cared not for any "arguement" lol, it could maybe get more CDR but its the longest lasting for basically free CDR in game

[glacial gyro]

this has been my experience with the '1000 heavy attack kills while stimmed' penance

[grand jewel]

makes sense that its a bit lower than others

you have the difficult task of slamming back drugs within 90s or 60s lol

[nova anvil]

so am i stupid or can i not pick up any other stimms anymore? its a pain not being able to use health stimms in a pinch

[livid raven]

custom stim disables other stims

[somber blade]

if you run custom stim u cant pick any up

[vernal sluice]

I have like 300 left for the '2000 weakspot hits while stimmed' penance and then I'm getting rid of the custom stim for good

[bronze glade]

Remove all points from your stimm tree

[glacial gyro]

What if insead of not being able to pick it up, if you have cartel stimm, you just use the pickup stimm instantly

[livid raven]

you can still be injected with one tho

[nova anvil]

ahaaaa

[thorn prawn]

Yep, we're not allowed to pick up stims when we have the custom one

[nova anvil]

ty guys

[livid raven]

i think there should be a talent to instantly recharge your stimm if you pick a normal one up

[nova anvil]

dumb ass decision imo

[grand jewel]

yeah, stops you being able to use it on friendlies as the trade or storing it for later if you needed but

yea, a bit odd

[nova anvil]

yeah also this

[viscid crow]

Is it me or this class is a glass without cannon

[grand jewel]

just you

[thorn prawn]

Chem grenades

[vernal sluice]

just you yeah

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[wind egret]

Absolutely not, in some matches I've accounted for over 50% of the team's damage.

[livid raven]

i just W+M1

[blissful notch]

Melee or ranged?for leveling melee feels pretty weak

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-yaha-abdul-mateen-ii-the-matrix-resurrections-dual-wielding-bang-bang-gif-23023615

look horde, oh yeah time to go rampage! the scummer next to you:

[wind egret]

Melee, I'll link build in a moment.

[vernal sluice]

9 out of 10 times

[livid raven]

also ranged

[grand jewel]

haha brrt

[digital drift]

this but on rocket roller skates

[vernal sluice]

most of the progress i made on that penance was when I wasn't playing with other hs

[iron oyster]

hows the toxic stuff? pretty viable?

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/death-fight-john-wick-cqc-gun-gif-5738494

oh nice, time to farm adrenaline! the scummer next to you:

[livid raven]

the toxin itself is very strong

the toxin part of the tree is kinda cringe

[iron oyster]

ahhh shame some of those passives look really neat

[thorn prawn]

Tox chem max stack is 30. The damage is insane

[iron oyster]

just focus melee then?

[amber lotus]

Is the toxin keystone for desperado spam viable?

[livid raven]

you mean dependency right

yeah it is

[amber lotus]

I havent hit level cap but so far this clas seems like its about spamming desperado

[eternal crag]

not making von as your hive scum

smh

[fleet estuary]

im cute

[calm aurora]

that's like the only pretty face in the entire game

[blissful notch]

I didn’t play much ranged but melee felt way worse than ps vet and my ranged weapons were doing better without investment

[calm aurora]

this is rampage at lvl24 soooo

[trim wind]

I mean, it starts out being pretty ranged focused until you have enough points

[idle lava]

Oh, cool the scoreboard mod is working.
I'll have to re-grab it

[rose flax]

Does this mean what you say then?

[calm aurora]

check modders discord

not sure it's live on nexus

[shadow umbra]

What blessings do you guys recommend for duel stubs and crowbar

And saw

[idle lava]

Where, I only was really there for the, uh..Weapon customization mod

[glad latch]

LMAO, I bought so many curios so fast it made the game run out of memory.

[blissful notch]

Yea I was hoping this is the case

[vernal sluice]

Tread Lightlies represent 🗣️

[pure escarp]

Crowbar I like can opener and crit on push

[inner void]

Eh, exploding Booby Trap Stimm Supply is underwhelming. I thought it would be better but it hardly ever hits anything

[rose flax]

Lol I just realized, wonder if you can customize the shivs separately

[reef spoke]

If only it could hit allies 😔

[wind egret]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a081737c-a93b-4c02-97f0-4b7f35f6e06a This is what I use.

[idle lava]

I dont think they have updated it yet, but that would be sick af

[shadow umbra]

Whatabout the stubs and saw

[vast surge]

Tell me I’m pretty

[bronze glade]

oh thank god guaranteed weapon swap has been updated

game is so ass without that mod

[shadow umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/joker369-gif-10911555085276863842

I personally like the water cartel cosmetics the most

Cuz PURPLE

[zenith pagoda]

I think hivescum has prejudice in havoc now

[inner void]

I picked The Show
I like the orange/yellow

[vast surge]

I like the tread lightlies the most because they look like crash test dummy gear

With the yellow and black stripes

[shadow umbra]

Throw as many hive scum at a problem until it gets fixed

[vast surge]

Exactly

[rose flax]

Scum

[glad latch]

https://tenor.com/view/tonyabbott-auspol-onion-gif-14143970

Same vibes as Tony Abbot the Onion Eater.

[inner void]

or until there's a lot of -vivin' to do

[eternal crag]

any suggestions for autopistol perks ?

[rose flax]

Run and gun for sure

[past stump]

I've been having fun running blaze away and run and gun.

[rare idol]

the rocket launcher just feels so bad

[inner void]

which stim set are you guys using?

[eternal crag]

ive ben using supression and powder burn

[shadow umbra]

Blaze + pinning/reload

[idle lava]

It does so much damage though

Hits through shields too

[rare idol]

yeah but thats useless b/c you are grenade hungry and there are better nades

[trim wind]

Flak maniac i imagine

[livid raven]

yeah

[thick hornet]

Did anyone get a glitch where your knives are invisible?

[eternal crag]

maniac is a must have

[oblique basin]

Yeah it feels like something is off, does it have a delay or something?

[shadow umbra]

Attack speed + reload speed

[dim moth]

yes

[past stump]

It's not something I'll be taking into havoc, but until then... BOOM!

[rare idol]

i havent had trouble shooting it, the issue i have is its too grendae hungry for the performance

[shadow umbra]

It has a very heavy draw speed

[glad latch]

The rocket launcher should of had an upgrade to change the ammo type from stock to fragmentation (basically shredder frag grenades on crack)

[inner void]

Ah I need a faster cooldown than that for the rest of my loadout to work though

[vernal sluice]

the rocket launcher has a pretty hefty wield delay yeah

[oblique basin]

That too, its a krak grenade but on a resource that you need to find ramdonly

[vernal sluice]

it won't save you if you get cornered by whatever you were intending to blast

[inner void]

though less recoil is awesome

[glacial gyro]

Kind of. Once you pull it out you have to aim it before you kin fire it. You can do this with your aim control, in which case once the reticle is tightened fully you can hit fire and it will go, or you can hipfire it, in which case about half a second of aiming activates (you can watch the reticle shrink)

its not something you can whip out and hipfire, you have to get a feel for when and where to use it and have it ready

[wanton prawn]

Super satisfying when it lights the killfeed with messages though.

... when rocket launcher does't whiff.

[shadow umbra]

I just use blackour bombs cuz yeah

[glacial gyro]

Watching footage back, every time I've missed has been because I moved my aim before the rocket comes out because the delay threw me off. You have to stay on target and not rush things.

[inner void]

The chem grenade does that too though

[eternal crag]

after 300k spent i fiunally got a pair of autos with 80 in all stats but 79 in ammo and 62 in mobility

[oblique basin]

Yeah, feels nice to nuke the church area in that elimination mission lmao

[eternal crag]

[shadow umbra]

Also do people not realise that duel autos have built in run and gun?

[gritty arrow]

why in the goddamn does Stim Supply not give stacks of Chemical Dependancy

[grand jewel]

only 300k?

[eternal crag]

spent 500k on me sjivs

[shadow umbra]

I spent 1.3m for a crowbar

[reef spoke]

Not the spread reduct which is what I believe they're using it for

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-money-dance-money-rain-funny-comedy-gif-11831260

[turbid fulcrum]

karkin 3 mil on the goddamn crowbar here

[eternal crag]

the dreaded 61 percent

[glacial gyro]

I do not know how this was caught by no one during the extensive testing pre-release

[inner void]

it's like they want you to hog the stim all to yourself right?

[eternal crag]

did get these tho

so im happy

[idle lava]

I wish I liked the MK3 shivs

[reef spoke]

Mk3 is too slow to get heavies off sadly

[grand jewel]

first target is the actual dump

go again

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-cat-dead-cat-depressed-cat-laying-gif-11402833644907079653

[thick hornet]

Could you use Booby Trap + Practiced Deployment with a 15s CD stim to have a bomb basically every 15 seconds?

[idle lava]

I love the stabbing of the first mark we get (I forget what it is, all I know is spinny metal shiv)

Yes, you could

[grand jewel]

yes

[glacial gyro]

I just imagine a techpriest crying as he is forced to categorize broken bits of rusty metal as official inquisitorial weapons and give them marks and manufacturers

[grand jewel]

its just that the bomb is mid cuz it takes forever to go off

[thick hornet]

Is it effective?

[grand jewel]

lol

[idle lava]

You can also lower that by killing things with Chem toxin

[near mauve]

wait there's another shiv mark lmao i forgor
maybe its less braindead than the first one

[glacial gyro]

you know Hadron is furious when we set broken scissors down in front of her to bless

[grand jewel]

kinda the only bad thing, if it had more range it would be neat but the 5s timer is the kicker

[real dew]

Shivs are just labelled as "Improvised"

Crowbar is "Enginseer's"

[grand jewel]

its just a pointy metal stick

[glacial gyro]

The crowbar, in a hilarious way, makes sense

[eternal crag]

mhmmm red crowbar

[glacial gyro]

as an actual tool

[eternal crag]

defense is the bars dumpstat yeah ?

[grand jewel]

no

damage

[eternal crag]

you fr ?

[glacial gyro]

always defences or mobility

[grand jewel]

no

[eternal crag]

[shadow umbra]

Yes on crowbar

[grand jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/704285813860728885/1156371759260504075/attachment-18.gif

[shadow umbra]

I SPENT 1.3M

[vernal sluice]

[shadow umbra]

FOR A CROWBAR WITH 60% DEFENSE

[verbal dew]

at what level

[eternal crag]

i dont trsut anything you say

[shadow umbra]

21

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laugh-by-m-by-demi-gif-7077537185188239597

[verbal dew]

chances are better at max rank

[verbal dew]

so unless you're going for 76 ones

[grand jewel]

why?

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-porpoise-i'm-stupid-dumb-idiot-moment-porpoise-gif-4033995796839847017

[grand jewel]

I only tell you the truth

[verbal dew]

just wait for perfect rolls

[sleek grove]

What's the difference in the Chem Pistol marks?

[grand jewel]

explosion and spread

[shadow umbra]

The alt for crowd shots

[real dew]

Mine's 61% defense, couldn't be arsed to keep rolling given I'm still figuring out what weapons I like

[grand jewel]

one does one the other does the other

[shadow umbra]

One explodes and spreads tox

But the other staggers on explosion

[sleek grove]

Oh kk

[verbal dew]

I settled with like 65-67 for dump stats on the starting weapons

[eternal crag]

i love starting a pandemic of mad grox disease

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-27446150

[shadow umbra]

I personally like the crowbar the most

Also what blessings and perks for the saw

[grand dune]

i dont know hwat the hell they did but its been awful trying to get 60 weapons lol

[real dew]

Liking the shivs more tbh

but I'm full coke build atm

[shadow umbra]

Imo shivs just feel like the knife

[gritty arrow]

bonesaw is nice but MAN I really wish it had a slightly more horizontal swing

[shadow umbra]

L1 -> H2 then repeat

Most basic crowd clear with it

[gritty arrow]

yeah but also consider the following:

[shadow umbra]

Also push attacks

[gritty arrow]

I'm stupid and fuck up the pattern durring rushes

[gritty elk]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[shadow umbra]

Im thinking maybe shock and awe and the pox blessing for saw

But Idk

[ripe fjord]

After 12 hours and almost 3 8balls, I've finally gotten crowbar to 500

Almost 2 8balls*

[gritty arrow]

Shock n Awe is REALLY good

[spring plinth]

Shock and awe is a guaranteed pick from what I hear

Yeah

[gritty arrow]

stops the saw from "catching" on minor mobs

[zenith pagoda]

Wildfire completely crashes servers

[grand jewel]

skill issue

[livid raven]

btw shouldn't there be an event

[visual pumice]

fucking twinning

[livid raven]

defences does little anyway

[visual pumice]

i only deal in multiples of five

[rancid bronze]

is the dead stat on dual stubs mobility or colat

[bronze glade]

i'd say mob

wait

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-love-apple-heart-chuu-heart-da-vinki-gif-18549840

[bronze glade]

dual stubs as in the m1911s? collat

[rancid bronze]

why tho

[rose flax]

Doesn't enemy hit mass max out though? I thought it did

[dry pawn]

double shivs are so satisfying but in 3rd person we look like we pooped our pants while holding them

[bronze glade]

better question is what do you even need collat for on the m1911s

[broken moss]

do not insult the 1911 with this comparison

[spring plinth]

Not sure wym sry

[dry pawn]

thank you for cat

[toxic dagger]

It reduces enemy hitmass and then stacks multiplicatively with +cleave (e.g. from the talent tree)

[rose flax]

For example

[toxic dagger]

Which is why it's mathematically the best pick for saw

[turbid yarrow]

Is the intent that chem dependency has antisynergy with stimm supply?

[brittle sierra]

It also scales with havoc 😈

[toxic dagger]

More of an unfortunate reality

[rough spade]

dump stat on dual sub pistols mobility or collateral?

[turbid yarrow]

Damn, was hoping its just a bug

[woeful blade]

Do you want to knock down your targets or leave them standing to aim at them better?

[toxic dagger]

I hope it gets changed, I don't think that part of the tree ended up being very well made

[bronze glade]

mob

[eternal crag]

gonna make my hive scum von, or pretty

no inbetween

[rare idol]

Id rather it be an option to downgrade the performance some in return for a way to regen it 😭

[smoky valve]

How is desperado into higher level stuff, I'm still leveling

[winter tusk]

just had a "true survivor" die about 6 times in my heresy maelstrom

[rose flax]

Do you know the hit mass limit of the saw?

[rough spade]

aim better so im guessing collat

[cursive jetty]

The rocket launcher is what holding it for me, cause what ya mean I can shove a rocket up an Plague soggy a nose and take it schmov off

[sacred vault]

Hey guys, I got a question, how we feeling about the crowbar?

[rare idol]

crowbar sick

he a dirty boy who slay erryday

[cursive jetty]

Joker approved

[turbid yarrow]

Crowbar feels like shovel and the shovel rules

[rare idol]

crowbar alt absolutely ruins crushers

[sacred vault]

I have been feeling iffy on it with hordes and armor,. maybe I don't have it built right?

[glad latch]

That would be nice, yeah. Regen one rocket every 90 seconds, but rocket damage and blast radius gets reduced by 30%. So you get a nerfed rocket that regens slowly.

[rare idol]

use the mode switch lol

i like crowbar, it requires thinking and not just mindless button mashing which was a big part of what i disliked about the older dt weapons

[sacred vault]

I Guess I'm just not using it right?

I feel like I'm missing something

[rare idol]

ive been doing superiority + opportunist which feels really good for hunting crushers

[wind egret]

The right side of the tree being so anti-synergistic has to be by bug, not design... I can pray.

[rare idol]

im tempted to switch to the pocket sand blitz so i can kd crushers and gib them but i want the rocket penance so im using it for now

but like rocket is definitely the worst of the three esp because it just bounces off bon 😂

[rose flax]

Does anyone know if nimble Dodge distance adds to current distance or is like 15 + 25%?

[eternal crag]

recommended perks for shivs ?

[rare idol]

idk if this is meta but this combo turned the pistols into snipers

[eternal crag]

besides prison pocket crit ko

[rare idol]

i been using it to clear gunners and whatnot

[tranquil fjord]

i hope they fix the crit bonus bug on the dual stubbers

[rose flax]

Makes them better than stub pistol because fire rate/mag size + reserve amount

[glad latch]

I use this, seems to work pretty well.

[pearl ore]

would needle pistol and desparado let you walk mark and forget enemies?

[turbid yarrow]

Yeah hopefully we see something from fatshark on this soon

[unreal osprey]

[reef spoke]

Yes but they can still hit you so be careful about that

[bronze glade]

jfc

heresy pubs really are something

[toxic dagger]

🙏 joining you in prayer

[bronze glade]

moment i go down, the entire team fucking folds

[reef spoke]

Yeah...

[pearl ore]

whats wrong with the right tree?

[reef spoke]

I haven't failed yet but holy shit it gets close

[pearl ore]

I havent deep dove it yet

[broken moss]

real

[reef spoke]

Stimm Keystone and ult don't work well togther

[pearl ore]

oh

yeah no I dont like the chem ult

[turbid yarrow]

Stimm supply doesn't process chem dependency. Using the stimm on yourself means stimm supply doesn't give everyone the stimm buff

[reef spoke]

If you use med ult, keystone gets no charges 😔

[rare idol]

i did this but same general concept

[pearl ore]

I was just trying it with very viscous cooldown stimms

[hazy vector]

Anyone tried desperado with both shotguns?

double barrel could be funny

[pearl ore]

and what that ended up meaning was my pack did nothing except use my stimm

[reef spoke]

Indeed, the one thing it had going was the Stimm Dependency synergy but if that doesn't work then lmao rip

[glad latch]

Yeah, that works good too.

[fast surge]

I tried it with double barrel and it seems pretty good

[pearl ore]

and my stimm did nothing once ever minute or so

[fast surge]

Getting 6 shots on a double barrel shotgun is pretty nice

[pearl ore]

im thinking some sort of

[hidden thunder]

Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but how does the special fire work on the twin stub pistol exactly?

[pearl ore]

lowER cd defnese stimm with deparado

leaning into the needle pistol to keep it up

[reef spoke]

Flip the gun -> increasing accuracy, stagger, and damage

[unreal osprey]

arb and scum

[reef spoke]

You use it to nab bombers and snipers

[pearl ore]

maybe come cd too since depndancy wants you to abuse drugs

[hidden thunder]

I can't seem to actually fire it while it's spinning though, unless you have to get the timing just right?

[pearl ore]

and desparado is never bad to have off cd

[toxic dagger]

Chemical dependency doesn't proc if your supply crate consumes your stimm

Chemical dependency cooldown reduction doesn't apply to stimm itself

So those three elements just don't interact in a meaningful way

Needs a rethink

[pearl ore]

if you hold down the spin instead of doing one per shot ive found it MUCH harder and seemingly just having it not go off

[reef spoke]

I haven't had issues but I'm waiting until its major bug is fixed

[hidden thunder]

Ahhh ok, so tap special fire, fire and repeat then?

[pearl ore]

watching the animation though it seems to just

[toxic dagger]

If you hold the spin button it'll keep spinning if you miss the window to make a shot

[pearl ore]

not be going off

[toxic dagger]

Easiest is to just press the button once

And then queue a shot with your fire button

[rare idol]

i feel like the right side stuff makes more sense if you go for a melee build

and chem dep just feels awkwar

[hidden thunder]

I've been holding it down like a clown

[toxic dagger]

And you'll shoot as soon as the spin is done

[pearl ore]

there MIGHT be a rhythem to it im not getting, SOMETIMES i can hold it and fire consistantly

but not often enough to rely on it

[hidden thunder]

Nice thanks lads

[pearl ore]

my beloved equilibrium headshot pistols < 3

[toxic dagger]

It's funny to try and time your shots while continuously spinning but also needlessly difficult if you just want one accurate shot

[rose flax]

I just realized, this specifys the stack amount, does it add more stacks?

[rare idol]

is there any reason to use the mk3 over the mk1 shiv?

[reef spoke]

You hate yourself

[hidden thunder]

That's exactly what I've been trying! Which is basically suicide haha

[past crown]

Time the spin, makes the shot more accurate and deadly at the end. Good for picking off priority targets at range or one tapping shotgunners if you can land crits.

[pearl ore]

I didnt know you COULD hold it at first and was chaining every spin and shot manually

but it was easier to shoot like that

[eternal crag]

i THINK satacks of chem toxin increase the burst damage, duriation, or speed up the death

[toxic dagger]

Ya easier to just tap the buttons.

[sleek grove]

mobility, all the good damage are from stagger

[past crown]

It’s really funny to keep spin shooting plague ogryns

[wheat summit]

okay

[rare idol]

shiv just feels really boring to use

[wheat summit]

right at the end lmao

[vale breach]

i think they are alright the shives

[pearl ore]

is there any reason to lean on crit with the needler?

[vale breach]

funny how i say this when my boys name is shiv

[rancid coral]

I got this in Havoc... On the win menu

[rare idol]

performance wise theyre fine. gameplay wise theyre kinda boring. you dont really have interesting attack patterns

[vale breach]

jumping and doing the heavy down attack is the highlight of it

[rose flax]

I think the fact that critical bonus isn't working correctly on dual pistols is the biggest reason why they feel very awkward especially without lowering the spread by at least 30%

[pearl ore]

I like the kung fu palm strike

[rancid coral]

Fatshark was a coward and didn't actually implement dual melees like in VT2

Mechanically wise I mean

[pearl ore]

and strikedown into stab is kinda fun

[vale breach]

now what i want

is duel hand axes

[rose flax]

It's literally the dual daggers though

[rancid coral]

Except that mechanically they aren't

[calm aurora]

I am collecting them... it's way easier to get them while leveling

[toxic dagger]

True. I love the speed and dodge distance you get with them, and the H2 has such short range that it's a little minigame getting close enough to actually stab people with it

[vale breach]

having a 1v1 with a rager giving them a taste of their own bullshit would be funny

[toxic dagger]

So I'm enjoying their simplicity anyways

[rancid coral]

Each dagger counts as an independent hit in VT2, in DT they count as 1 hit Even if both hit at the same time

[tired prairie]

Dual daggers have basically nonexistent cleave, so that’s not it

[turbid yarrow]

Shiv can be pretty fun on a crit build, stacking bleed and toxin

[rose flax]

Yeah you won't hit an enemy and feel like hitting a wall in darktide

[pearl ore]

you know what ive found fun

[broken bear]

This annoys me

Like the heavy strike should count as two

[stoic dawn]

quick q: is it right that I'm getting water cartel cosmetics on level up? I thought I picked tread lightlies

[pearl ore]

when I was trying to make a gun zealot I had this fire shotgun kitted out for more crit on multiple enemies hit

[rancid coral]

And you won't get double benefit either from stuff like double toxins on crit, double uncanny strike stack and so

[pearl ore]

and flechette

[exotic oxide]

3000%?

[pearl ore]

the idea being to use the fire shots cleave to stack a shitload of dots

[toxic dagger]

Yeah the cartel cosmetics are tied to specific penances, not your choice during cc

[rose flax]

? I was talking about vermintide

[pearl ore]

and it.... sorta worked

[stoic dawn]

perfect, thanks!

[somber blade]

you get like 20% each time

[pearl ore]

but now you can mix that in with chem toxin

[toxic dagger]

Yeah cumulative

[sleek grove]

yeah not sure how you do any of those achiev

[somber blade]

gotta stim alot

[exotic oxide]

thats a lot of attack speed

[rancid coral]

Yes I mean as, have they actually made dual weapons in DT work like they do in VT2, we could've gotten stuff like I mentioned

[vale breach]

its sort of funny that you need a trust level to use the custom chems.

"you proven yourself that you wont blow half the ship so i guess you can use the lab"

[rose flax]

Time to cook

[livid epoch]

You need to prove yourself before they let you use fent on board

[vale breach]

ogryn we need to cook

NO OGRYN DONT EAT THE SPACE FENT

[livid epoch]

Would the ogryn be Hank

Bald, big, obsessed with rocks

[vale breach]

hank looks like a small ogryn lmao

[toxic dagger]

Magos Kharib begrudgingly lets you into the kitchen

[pearl ore]

I asked already but forgot

[toxic dagger]

Why do you think I'm an Ogryn main

[pearl ore]

does the needle gun care if you crit or weakspot?

[north plank]

if you got 20% in your drugs you shoot up and you get 20%/3000%

[vale breach]

heh

[north plank]

repeat dozens of times

[north plank]

Yrs

[pearl ore]

you lived through the great ogryn drought and are a community player

[livid epoch]

Ogryn was fun from day 1

[somber blade]

ogryn draught aint that like release darktide with all zealots crying

[pearl ore]

hot shot, weak spot hits gain cleave

would THAT work on the needler?

[rose flax]

Oh
You mean how both weapons hitting an enemy counts as two attacks
I think it works like that with the toughness on hit talent already
I've gotten a lot of toughness without hitting weak spot or critting just by doing a heavy attack

[pearl ore]

do they cleave?

[simple oyster]

does hyper critical even work with anything rn

i feel like any gun I use it with it just doesn't trigger

[vale breach]

lowkey if they kept the home planets for the hive scum necromunda would have been a fun exclusive

[turbid yarrow]

"We trust you now, you can make something better than jenkem if you want"

[somber blade]

great with shivs and axe

[exotic oxide]

Pocket Toxin doesent affect the Chem Grenade it seems.
Is there a max amount of Toxin stack an enemy can have?

[simple oyster]

So it only works with melee? v-v

[rancid coral]

So they selected which things count as double attack?

That's silly from them

[simple oyster]

Yeah I can't get it to trigger on range at all.

[livid epoch]

What Cartel did you guys choose?

[unique plover]

Water 💧

[rose flax]

I mean vermintide is a melee based game, where you mainly dealt with high enemy counts of tough armored foes
Darktide is hybrid

[turbid yarrow]

Lol the right side really just doesn't work huh

[exotic oxide]

Iron Within, Iron Without

[pearl ore]

I went back to play some vt2 and the stormvermin having shields took me a WHILE to get used too

[exotic oxide]

Pocket Toxin works with the other two Blitzes, just not with the Chem Grenade, which.. makes sense, kinda not.. dont know how toxin stacks really

[toxic dagger]

🫡

[rancid coral]

We defenitely need normal shielded enemies on DT

Not elites like shielded stormvermin

But like the little guys

That'd help against the finesse meta

[zealous ravine]

gimme a shield enemy that ripostes you if you try light attacking their shield lmao

[covert obsidian]

I think my biggest issue on HiveScum rn is that I am not using melee enough

[toxic dagger]

30, but chem grenade itself is limited to applying 6 stacks

[trim wind]

i agree, 10,000 bulwarks comign up

[rose flax]

Bulwarks are much harder lol, storm vermin drop their shields fast/ez

[toxic dagger]

Otherwise it'd be even more busted than it is

[turbid yarrow]

You would think you would get the chem stacks from the initial explosion from the chem nade

[pearl ore]

yeah but they arent low weight chaff

[near mauve]

my fav thing about chem nades is throwing them to anticapite a horde and people STANDING AT THE EDGE OF THE NADE

MF LURE THEM IN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[real dew]

Fatshark and unclear/unspecified mechanics, name a more iconic duo

[somber blade]

popcorn bomb funny

but i hate as well when people dont abuse it 😭

[rose flax]

Doesn't bleed max out at 16?!

[near mauve]

hey guys look at this nice goop area that makes people go boof lets stand at the edge

[rancid coral]

laughs in OP needle pistol

[fleet estuary]

.

[reef spoke]

DoT stacks are weird, certain attacks have different caps

[toxic dagger]

Yeah this ain't no pussy bleed shit this is hive scum toxin baby take yo sensitive ass back to the militarum 🗣️ 🔥 💯

[livid epoch]

WATER CARTEL

Water is good

Therefore the cartel is good

[zenith pagoda]

Havoc game

Smiter psyker on final toll
Arby who is useless because he keeps crashing or having bugs with mods
I died because the game no clipped me through a railing

[reef spoke]

Treat Lightlies c:

[barren prairie]

quick question: how long does stimm supply last? A talent says it reduces it's time by 5 seconds, but it doesn't say how long it normally lasts

[exotic oxide]

Without the Factoris, no Atoma, no need for water...

[rose flax]

He's a hybrid class, more ranged than others except veteran though

[calm aurora]

I chose the show, feels like i am the only one

[vernal sluice]

Tread Lightlies!!!

[toxic dagger]

The Show must go on babyyyyy

[reef spoke]

I think there was a Fatshark post saying 15s but it's in the original announcement somewhere

[livid epoch]

I used to be a professional clown so I prefer to avoid clowning in games for escapism purposes

[rose flax]

20 seconds

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-freddie-mercury-freddiemercury-freddie-mercury-queen-queen-freddie-mercury-gif-582931534158298254

[turbid yarrow]

I went the Show because my dude was a sump rat that made drugs with poo water and became a barkeep in the Carnival

[simple oyster]

Battering momentum also doesn't seem to trigger whatsoever.

[rain snow]

full toxin build is super fun but also feels like i could die from wind blowing a bit too hard

[zealous basin]

It's 4 seconds still with 120% reload speed it's not fine

[hazy vector]

What is anti-hrode combo for bonesaw?

Also, is it ever worth using brittle poison?

[livid raven]

it's not 4 seconds to begin with

[rose flax]

Oh it reduced its time by 5 seconds, I thought it meant it only last 5

[reef spoke]

Get the +30% toughness regen on taking ranged damage. Night and day difference

[livid raven]

and speedloader does indeed increase reload speed

both blessing and talent

[drowsy relic]

Water cartel gang

[exotic oxide]

shortened to
so it last 5, lingers 15, so 20s total

[barren prairie]

I'm stupid, I re-read it and it does say shortened to fice seconds

[zealous basin]

If it is working it is only getting 30%

[rose flax]

It does not seem to stack together though

[real dew]

It's in the known issues section

[zealous basin]

I havent gotten anything past 4 seconds

[reef spoke]

Thank you for that I had a feeling it was longer than 15 but wasn't sure

[rain snow]

is there something goin on with this penance? I've just spend entire mission at max stacks

[rose flax]

70% reload speed would be 0.66 seconds on a dual stub
Yet it's clearly much slower

[fleet estuary]

1000s of hours it means

[reef spoke]

What does work holy shit

[livid raven]

wasnt't this on the dual autoguns

[zealous basin]

Visually the animation looks faster but it's still the same speed

[vast plover]

im confused too

it's probably all or nothing

[rose flax]

Speed loader does work

[vast plover]

you have to be stacked for full 1000s duration

[dire badge]

for drug claever, for crushers and armoredb osses is it worth applying both drugs or jsut the prupleo ne

[foggy phoenix]

Crowbar dump stat? Defenses or mobility?

[rose flax]

Defense

[zealous basin]

Neither does the stim or the 30% talent

[shadow umbra]

Defense

[rose flax]

Push cost is the biggest benefit but you Regen stamina fast

[rain snow]

unless it only counts if you have the 4th stack talent?

[obtuse star]

Is it just me or once you get towards the bottom of the tree, you can just become a chem tox melee monster with the backup of infinite ammo and shredding hords while not worrying a bit about tougness because every 10s you can get a free 50% refill just for it being broken?

[zealous basin]

That's what I'm fucking saying

But everyone claims it's fine

[frigid thorn]

is the cooldown regeneration speed path in the Simm lab worth taking? Saw conflicting info on how much cooldown it gives you lol

[zealous basin]

I did the math

[livid raven]

yes it's worth it

cuts the remaining cooldown of your ability in half

[frigid thorn]

danggggg ok

[livid raven]

for 20 seconds at least

[zealous basin]

Yes

[livid epoch]

Pretty sure there is a max amount of reload reduction due to the animation

That scum easily goes past

[vast plover]

if the stack goes down at all it fails the achievement i think

everthing else about it is a black box

[rose flax]

70% apparently but it's not getting 70

[zealous basin]

Chemical dependency cd stim desperado is very sustainable for ammo

[zealous basin]

Yeah it's 4 second animation no matter what

[zenith pagoda]

The only difference between stim pistols is the special right?

[rain snow]

im fairly sure it's supposed to be a total of 1000s, not 1000s in a row

[dire badge]

for drug claever, for crushers and armoredb osses is it worth applying both drugs or jsut the prupleo ne

[frigid thorn]

How does the cooldown regeneration stat work anyways, is it basically like it just speeds up the cooldown whenever its active?

[rose flax]

You should post a video
Also speed loader talent does work though

[rain snow]

some of the runs dont last 1000s, and the next penance is 2000s

[rose flax]

Cool down of your ability when it's on cool down, increases how fast it goes up

[zealous basin]

Does it? I did a lot of testing and visually the animation looks faster but it's still the same time

[rancid bronze]

im pretty sure its faster

[rose flax]

It definitely does

[hazy vector]

Flak and Maniacs for autopistols?

[rose flax]

But the blessing does not stack at all

[hazy vector]

What is anti-hrode combo for bonesaw?
Also, is it ever worth using brittle poison?

[zealous basin]

Ahhh

[rose flax]

But the +5% reload speed from properties does somehow

[turbid yarrow]

I use brittlepoison on bosses

[charred jewel]

im struggling with using the bonesaw rn, i know the single target pattern is the strikedown pattern but otherwise I'm having a difficult time using it against hordes and weaker single targets. how should i be using it and what should i absolutely not be using it for?

[frigid thorn]

Oh yeah what's the combos on the shiv? Spam left click for mobs, heavies on elites?

[zealous basin]

I have been preaching about this but since 10 am yesterday morning and I have had multiple people tell me that I'm straight up wrong about it

[amber sapphire]

wrath - shock

[frigid thorn]

I think he ment more like what the melee combos are for the bonesaw lol

[rose flax]

Don't spam unless you're constantly dodging
Push after a few lights

[pale rain]

Watching this video is confirming a few of my confusions. Especially dodging. I've had several crusher swings kill me when they shouldn't have.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pcwxn5/the_50_recoil_stimm_effect_gives_to_uzi50_recoil/

[frigid thorn]

Ahhhh ok, so push, lights, push lights

[chrome musk]

Just had a moment of all three hive scums going down hard during the start (I'm one of them) and a pysker had to bail us out, had to get that reality check that I may be speedy but I'm a fragile mofo still lol

[rose flax]

Really? For me dodging works the same, but better with nimble

[lament arch]

what is Cartel Special?

[toxic dagger]

The stimm

[lament arch]

lol, thx

[frigid thorn]

Is bonesaw's horse clear push attack and heavy sweeps?

[covert obsidian]

Yellow power 100 weapons won't work on Heresy it seems

[frigid thorn]

*horde, but I'm keeping horse because it's funny

[covert obsidian]

I should really upgrade my shit

or maybe I just suck

[rose flax]

And I dodged in corners when being over headed, it definitely works