hivescum-class

[signal nebula]

But talking ranged re: above

[random shuttle]

To each their own ofc. I just love the wacky tobaccy nonsense of their weirdo weapons

[grand jewel]

playing the Uzi's alot and going to the glocks i just wish they had a bigger magazine lol

[signal nebula]

Needle pistol is interesting but it feels really weird using a gun with close to no feedback

[burnt wind]

Psyker gets to clutch on assail at lower diffs tho

[north meteor]

I unlocked the needle gun right before I got off last night

Im excited to try it

[random shuttle]

That

[grand jewel]

even with locked and loaded ™ they still feel just short of what would be nice

[random shuttle]

is a VERY fair criticism tbh 😄

[burnt wind]

I think the earliest I feel functional on HS so far is like level 14 or so

[thorny ginkgo]

health bars help

[signal nebula]

I also feel the stance swapping on needle pistol needs a little polish

[exotic oxide]

Whats difference between the Needle Pistol marks?

[glad latch]

That's true.

[signal nebula]

I don't play with that mod for personal reasons but I would bet they do 🙂

[rain snow]

swear to god sometimes it feels like hiver takes double damage from everything

[quartz plume]

use meat grinder to see dmg. It's great

[dim moth]

because they kinda do?

[signal nebula]

One has a primer that explodes and causes stagger, the other has a primer that explodes to spread toxin

[burnt wind]

getting an enhanced active skill is huge, and I think the bomb crate build is online at 15

[dim moth]

they have by far the least toughness damage reduction in the game

[glad latch]

I mean they do seem more squish then a Psyker is.

[dim moth]

they frequently are actually taking about double damage from everything

[signal nebula]

Different break points for havoc so limited use in Psyk testing

[signal nebula]

They are

[obsidian crown]

There’s a couple good defense perks later on though

[signal nebula]

Psyker has insane toughness regen

[exotic oxide]

but isent that the weapon special action?

[quartz plume]

hmm? dmg is same if you have the same build no?

I mean your dmg

[signal nebula]

Yes

[burnt wind]

Psyker has quite a lot of good TDR now too so they're not nearly as squishy as they used to be

[signal nebula]

Enemy hp is different which means you need to re-up or front load more stacks

[dim moth]

not TDR global damage resistance xd

[exotic oxide]

then why are there 2 different marks= MkVI and MKII, if they both do the same, what special action does

[dim moth]

Just A Dream and Immaterial focus are both just damage resistance not toughness damage resistence

[signal nebula]

As described above

Difference is the special action

Primer = special

[burnt wind]

honestly I feel like melee scriers psyker is a stronger version of melee hive scum so far

[signal nebula]

So far I think this tree is kind of ass

[thorny ginkgo]

well psyker is the strongest class

[signal nebula]

Aside from the blitzes which they cooked on

[burnt wind]

I mean they play quite similarly but scum is squishier and has actual downtime unlike scriers

[obsidian crown]

How so

[glad latch]

So a piece of paper?

[hazy vector]

???

[north meteor]

I wish the class got blitz regen because good luck having grenades ever

[dim moth]

because hive scum has nearly 0 sources of reliable damage reduction

[signal nebula]

Very bottom heavy, a lot of trash nodes I don't see going in any build,
Nonbos between stuff like chemical dependency and stimm crate, keystones being quite plain in design, 2 abilities which are functionally very similar (2 stance abilities is not the one)....

Some early thoughts

Layout is easily the worst of any class now

It feels like a lot of glass and not much cannon

[dim moth]

think like veteran they will always have Close Order Drill and Iron WIll

[hazy vector]

I don't like any of keystones btw

[near mauve]

just steal them

[hazy vector]

especially melee keystone

i think it is active too rarely

[obsidian crown]

I actually see it quite the opposite, there’s a lot of intentional and synergistic nodes. Sounds like you’re struggling to understand the intent behind them

[hazy vector]

chem dependancy at least gives you +20% crit chance

speaking of dependancy

[signal nebula]

I play tested the class for 3 months mate

[obsidian crown]

Didn’t do a good job

[hazy vector]

here is your reliable +20% toughness DR

[obsidian crown]

Epic Cole > you

[north meteor]

that's the plan

[signal nebula]

As you say

[main trellis]

Blinder grenades

[signal nebula]

People shilling hard for this class atm but time will tell

[glad latch]

These 3 nodes are very good for defence and they're all next to each other.

[near mauve]

i see a lot of people complaining too tbh

[dim moth]

my current observation of them is that toxin is a ridiculously bonkers DoT

[near mauve]

a lot of people dont like how squishy it is

class is like 60% on steam and its all "noooo class is weak" reviews

[signal nebula]

And you have hyper violence in there as well
Which means the majority of builds are going to take stuff from this column

[north meteor]

I think the playstyle is right up my alley. I also think leveling is tough on it, but its strong enough at the bottom to kinda make up for it. I don't see many people pushing havoc 40 on the class at all though

[zenith pagoda]

Every hivescum I play with isn't killing anything

[glad latch]

Yeah, that's true. Very nice skill.

[dim moth]

yeah I think bare minimum burst of energy is going on everything

[near mauve]

isnt hyper violence broken atm

[main trellis]

From the moment i saw what dependency does i knew its gonna be the best overall keystone

[dim moth]

it's the one mistake you're afforded

[gusty vector]

Shame, class is really fun

[signal nebula]

It feels half baked. Some good ideas but not executed as well as it could've been

[dim moth]

shocker to nobody

[glad latch]

Burst of energy more or less increases your toughness bar by 50%

[kindred pumice]

Rampage crowbar seems hilariously strong

[hazy vector]

well ranged keystone also decent, easy to keep up
i tihnk only melee keystone really bad

[near mauve]

bbbbbut i have to dodge things

[thorny ginkgo]

it is

[dim moth]

oh I've been using it as free attack speed on my toxin build

and the toughness regen

thing has damn near permanent uptime so it's understandable that it's not super strong

[main trellis]

But vultures you take only for a range spam build
Dependency fits all builds

[signal nebula]

I don't think it's bad, I just don't think it's fleshed out

[hazy vector]

but that's my problem with it, i think it has very little uptime

it does nothing until you get all stacks

and then duration is short

[signal nebula]

But so far it feels like it has the most trade off for the least gain

[dim moth]

you only have to hit 30 enemies

[hazy vector]

If every stack gave some small bonus it would be fine

[dim moth]

that's not a super tall ask given the cleave nodes right above it

[north meteor]

I think they could've leaned more into poison than they did as well. Or at least have more than "melee crits grant 1 stack" lol. The actual poison damage is pretty strong, but I want more ways of actually poisoning

[zenith pagoda]

yay it doesnt look like a christmas saw

[north meteor]

I really think they should have blitz regen node

[dim moth]

it's not per swing it's per hit

[signal nebula]

100%

[gusty vector]

I mean, people are dodging……. just not a lot lol

[near mauve]

other playtesters also said this needed more work but ive yet to see the big flaws
i assumed they just wanted to nerf stuff like "ignore all dmg on crit"

[dim moth]

I don't

chem nades are busted as shit

[signal nebula]

I think as time goes on you'll start to see some of the cracks

[hazy vector]

hmmm, i never tried to take that node

[idle lava]

Do they make stuff explode for AOE damage, or is that just visual.

[hazy vector]

also i am leveling new weapons

[dim moth]

Of course we'll see the cracks they're a druggie

[main trellis]

What zealot inferno nades should have been

[hazy vector]

so have not used anything old

[main trellis]

[north meteor]

they are and then the class sucks for the rest of the game lol

[signal nebula]

Ho ho you sonofa...

[north meteor]

well, is painfully average

[gusty vector]

I’m happy with how the class is now, some few tweaks to some of the strong stronger talents and Darktide is saved for another month

[near mauve]

meanwhile i keep ledging myself every game

[hazy vector]

no u

[zenith pagoda]

beautiful

[near mauve]

the dodge distance is crazy

[signal nebula]

Snap

[main trellis]

No nails on your shoes?

[north meteor]

I corrected myself. Its painfully average

[hazy vector]

Same thing. No u

[north meteor]

I still like it more than I like Ogryn and Vet

[near mauve]

too nimple for my own good

[zenith pagoda]

try knife vet with weapon specialist, you go flying from dodges

[hazy vector]

or may be too nipple

[near mauve]

chemmies are immos but way better its not even funny

[north meteor]

I also wish all poison humans exploded from all sources of chem toxin

[signal nebula]

I like the play style more than Ogryn's but if I am real it feels like a shootier, squishier Zealot with less interesting abilities and keystones

[hazy vector]

with more interesting abilities*

[signal nebula]

Weapons are dope though

[warped grove]

Should I dump stat stopping power on Needle Pistol or?

mobility

[dim moth]

damage

[warped grove]

that dont sound right

[zenith pagoda]

DMG doesn't affect dot I assume

[warped grove]

oh actually?

[north meteor]

also, stim pack is cool. I just wish the other node said "it stays for 2 seconds then explodes." Otherwise, the explode part is just kinda useless. Most things around it die before it ever gets to explode lol

[plain tide]

I'm guessing the "Cartel Special" in the penances is talking about the custom stimms?

[dim moth]

yes

[toxic dagger]

I don't think rampage is interesting, it's just a good steroid but has no real mechanics. desperado enables some crazy shenanigans but it does so mostly by turning off two game mechanics to let you do things that are otherwise impossible, which is also not interesting from a design pov. and stimm supply isnt quite there yet either, e.g. no synergy with chemdep or high volume stimms

[warped grove]

any custom stim unless specified otherwise

[plain tide]

neat

[toxic dagger]

so I understand where johnny is coming from

[rain sedge]

i agree. this class is already feeling pretty stale. nothing cool except the poison grenade explosion thing but you are so limited on that

[warped grove]

not even a day

[livid raven]

i just think it's silly that kills with dots don't interact with like

most of your talents

[toxic dagger]

however I think the twitchy high apm gameplay is very fun anyway

[north meteor]

or that the only two real sources are melee crits and grenades

[rain sedge]

i agree on everything. desperado is the clear winner but when i use it, i can basically stand still and be invulnerable and just hold the trigger. and when i am off cooldown, i have to hide and cry because the rest of the class is pretty weak

[livid raven]

i mean

[zenith pagoda]

THE SERVERS ARE SO LAGGY

[warped grove]

Ive been using Light Spam Shivs with Rampag, dmg and speed stimsl, been pretty fun

[livid raven]

needlegun and bonesaw?

[thorny ginkgo]

skill issue

[north meteor]

yea but I think you should be able to do that with any weapon on the class

[toxic dagger]

desperado feels like it bruteforces its power spike in ways that are just inelegant

[livid raven]

right i agree there

[toxic dagger]

"shooting costs NO ammo and you CANNOT be hit by bullets" is pretty extreme lol

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah it's good for reviving teammates too

[obsidian crown]

Did you forget castilgstor’s stance on arbites

[past stump]

Is there an issue with the needle pistol (explosive mode) in the meat grinder not doing the right amount of damage? I just unlocked it and tested it there and the explosion literally does like 6 damage.

[vital ferry]

for whatever reason whenever I press the grenade key my hive scum throws out all its stun grenades in quick succession and I have no way of stopping it, is this supposed to happen?

[warped grove]

me inserting my comically large magazine before activating desperado

[livid raven]

no

it's literally that

[toxic dagger]

already different since castigator does not involve any immunity, it adds a % of DR instead

[livid raven]

use the other mark

[tired prairie]

Guaranteed weapon swap mod does that - you may want to disable it

[vital ferry]

Ahhh sad, thanks man

[obsidian crown]

Let’s be honest. You’re immune

[warped grove]

yeah I had that issue already

[rain sedge]

ive been using desperado to run straight at the massive gunner hordes that have been spawning lately. and they do literally nothing to you. you just ignore them and leasurely walk forward

[north meteor]

I'm also okay with a glass cannon class as long as the cannon part is consistent enough to counter the glass part lol. I hate having 3 or 4 grenades in a team full of people that also want to spam chem grenades lol

[warped grove]

Its because the mod tries to force you to "swap" but the grenade works differently to others so it breaks

[near mauve]

stim pack not working with chem dependancy seems pretty weird on paper

[warped grove]

despite zealot being a thing-

[near mauve]

you'd expect both to go hand in hand

[vital ferry]

I see, thanks

Thought I was going mad

[toxic dagger]

an example of the class not being fully there yet

[vital ferry]

Good to know it’s not just that

[warped grove]

nah I had to dig through my mods to figure it out

[toxic dagger]

it's been 6 months since arby. there are signs. lol

[tired prairie]

People in time will acknowledge that blinders are actually the best nade, unless your team has no other grenade users

[warped grove]

yo guys whos excited for the upcoming Hive Noble class

[rain sedge]

i think maybe one of my reasons that this class isnt clicking is because every game is 4 scum. so you have 4 glass cannons with poor team synergy stealing each others momentum trying to do the same thing.

[warped grove]

this

[livid raven]

yeah

[warped grove]

class just came out, give it a week itll get balanced again

[tender forge]

I also think the cannon has issues existing at lower levels so you just get glass

[north meteor]

lol

[tender forge]

Like the first 5 levels of psyker

[warped grove]

I encountered a wild ogryn last game (he promptly left upon getting downed)

[tender forge]

It seems I cannot hang in heresy as scum with the full scum parties

[warped grove]

Scum is by far the worst class to level up

[toxic dagger]

anyway it's easy talking in retrospect, I could've had more input during testing but stuff kept crashing on me so I played BF6 for 2 months instead and now it feels cheap to come in afterwards and be like "hey this is kinda boringly designed" captain hindsight in the building everyone

[tender forge]

[rain sedge]

another example is Loose Formation. why is that all the way at the bottom of the tree and why is it even included for this class? what purpose does it serve

[rapid mango]

LMFAO
arby reviews: "CLASS TOO STRONG! CANT DIE; KILL EVERYTHING" - negative review
scum reviews: "CLASS TO FRAGILE! ALWYS DIE; CANT KILL MUCH" (skissue i think) -negative review

so fickle

[near mauve]

ngl i appreciate a new fun class this soon but it felt like they forced a really hard deadline on themselves

[obsidian crown]

BF6 is peak though so can’t blame you

[torn ember]

Yeah the class is very bottom-heavy; tons of great talents that change the entire way the class is played all grouped up at the bottom of the tree (chem toxin on melee, chem toxin blinder grenades, infinite ranged ammo, stim recharge, etc)

[north meteor]

I definitely think this is one of the biggest issues rn. But I still don't see the class doing much in Havoc unless everyone mutually agrees nades go to scum

[toxic dagger]

oh yeah I don't regret it. super fun game

[tender forge]

Also just the weapons sucking without certain blessings

[warped grove]

They are powerful, the issue is they do not have the gameplay of Arbitrator or almost anyone, its very Sciers Gaze without the constant toughness regen and a lot more nimbleness

so people who expect to be staggering everything and tanking hits like breakfast are in for a surprise

[tender forge]

Also found a new pet peeve: chem nades made toxfire invisible

[obsidian crown]

As someone said, this class really exposes players who do not have their foundations down

[past stump]

I think the idea is to allow the scum to roam a bit without leaving coherency, though it doesn't really do much on that front either.

[rapid mango]

welcome to zealot firegrenades over barrel fire

[tender forge]

Yyp

[rain sedge]

alot of classes have blitz regen in some manner so there is hope. but i personally am failing to see where this class fits into the dynamics so far. gunner in melee range is really cool

[torn ember]

Yeah the dual autos go from barely tickling enemies just a few feet away to destroying everything

[signal nebula]

Hard agree

[tender forge]

Mine still tickle

[warped grove]

Thank god I learned to basically dodge everything before buying, I think next to Vet and Psyk it is probably the hardest class so far

[supple mango]

Glass cannon? Mister E said this class is broken. It's the glass cannon without the glass

[tender forge]

Also the knives... I spent a whole minute light spamming a rager (in the head)

[kind ice]

Giving out presents to the whole team, once they vets felt that 50% reload speed increase from my crate they were hooked

[tender forge]

And he didnt doe

[rapid mango]

LMFAO

[torn ember]

Use heavies on single targets

[rapid mango]

75 base toughness isnt gonna get you far

[random shuttle]

@novel oracle just had a few runs with Brauto-Despasito and ngl it feels right and good 😄

[supple mango]

Just put curioes and nodes

[rain snow]

dies to single shot from fodder

[tender forge]

When mac10 reload speed gets fixed

[rapid mango]

yup, and since gunner resist doesnt work on stalkers....

[warped grove]

Anything with a gun is your biggest enemy

[tender forge]

Desperado will be busted

[north meteor]

I definitely agree

[rain sedge]

stimm supply is cool. but it has no synergy. so you are giving up some pretty big power to give a little bit of power to the rest of the team

[torn ember]

If you're desperado you can at least just press a button and all your ranged enemy problems go away

[rain sedge]

and no synergy with the keystone is crazy

[rapid mango]

whats wrong with the reload speed

[hazy vector]

also the microscope... I spent a whole minute hitting a nail trying to get it in

[north meteor]

Yea I'm considering switching to rampage bc of this

[tender forge]

Fairly certain I heard it wasnt effected by by reload speed buffs

[warped grove]

Rampage and Desperado are the best picks I feel

[rapid mango]

ill give it a test real quick for you

[kind ice]

chemical dependecy is actively bad when running stimm supply, not sure if intended or another fatshark moment they'll take a look at in patch 1.11

[hazy vector]

people like to gaslight themselves on rumors and outdated info

[tender forge]

That would be great thanks

[drowsy relic]

It's a bug I thinj

[north meteor]

I think stim pack should have a poison aura or something

[torn ember]

Stimm Supply does have some funny builds where you spam it for the explosion

[rain sedge]

they just need to make the stimm supply give you that keystone buff for using stimms

[tender forge]

Probably the latter tbh, listening to playtesters before release is a 50/50

[rare idol]

Meanwhile all the meleeker lovers are in this channel having a ball 😂

[tender forge]

With shark changing stuff

[rapid mango]

just to confirm because im not a gun person, thats the autopistols?

[kind ice]

ahh, hope it gets fixed soon then. Would love to more drug dealer build, can make it work quite ffectively with Sample Collector still

[dim moth]

yeah

[tender forge]

Yeah the dual autopistols

[supple mango]

Isn't ogryn base toughness 50

[drowsy relic]

Basically I think it didn't used to use your stim so you could get a box with a like 3 second cooldown and give buffs every time and it then was (understandably) changedb

[rare idol]

“I get guns, speed, wicked melee and no health?? What a deal!”

[past stump]

I heard this too, but I'm fairly certain it is affected by reload buffs.

[tender forge]

Love the speed, hate the weird no damage feelings some of the weapons do for me dometimes rn

[rare idol]

Scum gets like one +25 toughness node I saw

[tender roost]

they are delusional but comparing arbitrator to hive scum is next level idiocy 😭 ofc arbitrator can survive longer and take less damage thats what the class is built for

[rare idol]

Mid line scum is also very tough

[stray meteor]

I have no idea what to do so fuck it we ball

[north meteor]

75 but double the health

[torn ember]

two, actually

[kind ice]

people who haven't seen the 'cannon' part of the class yet haven't seen pickpocket yet

[stray meteor]

All I know is I want the dual stubbers

[rare idol]

Left side scum is paper thin but man do he be killin

[tender forge]

Since Im level 13.... yeah

[rare idol]

I haven’t tried right side, lotta gimmicks and cool stuff over there tho

[obsidian crown]

Your opinion will change at 20+.

[tender forge]

Right side is glitchy

[rain sedge]

left side you can become invincible really easily. and i mean that literally

[torn ember]

Left side scum is paper thin until you get the Vulture talent that makes you immune to damage on crits and then it's hilarious

[supple mango]

Where is the majority of hive scum at? Auric? Damnation? Maelstrom?

[obsidian crown]

About to hit auric after I get home from work today

[rare idol]

As long as you are shooting and never get touched. It’s not as good as psykers ee

[tender forge]

Yeah, and when I get non shit blessings on my weps

[kind ice]

Yah thats what i felt too. there was a weird point around level 20 where you go from being a paper tiger to being a monster, once the upgraded desperado lasts longer than the basic measily 10 seconds.

[torn ember]

None of those because they haven't hit level 20

[iron saddle]

Uprising just not enough time to game 😭

[rare idol]

I’m at auric got there well before 30

I think the class does pretty well

[obsidian crown]

And the bottom middle talents

[rare idol]

But I’m gonna stress that you go back to being paper

[torn ember]

Unupgraded Desperado really needs a worse version of the duration extension because 10 seconds lets you get like 2 reloads in before it drops

[rain sedge]

if is far superior to EE? because you dont need to crit. and you can straight up become invulnerable to ALL attacks when you do

[kind ice]

Even worse with a long reload like Braced agri where the 2nd reload is just a bit too long even

[rare idol]

You don’t need more because at low diff everything is weak. Invest in some midline stuff for melee and delete everything with shivs

[kind ice]

i find EE easier to proc tbh, psyker has easier time getting crits in general

[torn ember]

I had to reload early on the Dual Autos because otherwise it took too long to empty the guns to get a 2nd reload in

[torn ember]

It doesn't need it but it feels really bad

[small sun]

How are people building the shivs?

[north meteor]

I have bleed and crit chance blessings

works pretty well

[rare idol]

EE gives you easy generation of ranged evasion off of melee and psyker gives you infinite toughness engine + some high impact abilities to open space.

Vulture dodge requires ranged critical strike. This is a much higher bar because ranged consumes ammo and scum doesn’t have nearly the same crit chance psyker can achieve. You also get nothing if you are in melee

[rapid mango]

looks like it works

[zenith pagoda]

I was just hit while sliding lol

[obsidian crown]

Cole said you have perma crit with the right build

[obsidian crown]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07920be-dc05-42a0-a2b4-9909bf17087c/what-the-freak-is-an-ammo?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

this is what he recommended

[rare idol]

I’d like to see his build but unless he’s shooting even when desperado is down — gambling on pickpocket — he’s not gonna sustain it

[supple mango]

Can scum only use the scum weapons? Or does he have access to human weapons?

[torn ember]

Worth noting: Scum has higher crit chance than Psyker.
10 base, 5% crit aura, 5% crit node, 15% crit Vulture, 15% crit Custom Stimm

[rare idol]

Yeah that’s pretty much the same as what I’m running

[warped grove]

Whats some good Perks and Blessings for the Needle Pistol?

[rare idol]

SG line gives an absolute ton of crit chance, definitely more

[vast ferry]

does the Stimm Supply work on..normal stims 😏 Anybody tried?

[rare idol]

And if you have the crit stim you aren’t running CDR stim so you have more desperado downtime 😢

[obsidian crown]

Then rotate better, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

[thorny ginkgo]

ghost and stripped down

[kind ice]

Can get a comfy 30~% crit rate during combat with fast firing weapons, 45 during stimming, i'm sure its enough to keep it up for the 1 second of invulnerability.
Does require constantly farming elites and getting the last kill in to regen ammo, psyker don't have to worry about that.

[warped grove]

And for perks?

[past stump]

I think so but let me double check rq.

[rain sedge]

you have infinite ammo though. both during desperado and that other node that keeps you at 20% reserve. all im saying, is i was doing auric at level 25 and literally standing still sometimes. desperado uptime nearly constant. casually walked towards gunner that couldnt hurt me period. didnt even need to shoot them. if i got swarmed, i continue to shoot and my crits proc invulnerability. and if i needed to reload, extended dodges with more i frames.

[torn ember]

I mean Scum hits 50% with dual autos, you aren't worried about triggering crits

[rare idol]

Ok, you are welcome to try it and see if you get unlimited ammo 🤷‍♀️

[thorny ginkgo]

flak and unyielding

[warped grove]

appreciatte it

[rain sedge]

i was using the stubs

[obsidian crown]

I do though 🤷‍♂️

[rapid mango]

also idk why no audio, working on it now. no dakkadakkadakkadakka for you 😔

[rare idol]

Note all those melee talents Cole picked?

Not shooting all the time

There’s a reason

[past stump]

Yes it does.

[kind ice]

Pretty fun getting infinite ammo on weapons like agri braced. get 90 bullets back from pickpocket

[vernal sluice]

Not enjoying the custom stimms at all tbh, this is the only complaint I have with the class so far

[obsidian crown]

Why would he shoot random straggler trash mobs?

[vast ferry]

what, like health stim?

[vernal sluice]

I wanted to do a stimm related penance and it's cancerous

[past stump]

You'll need the upgrade that let's you keep the effect even when exiting to keep... the effect.

[rare idol]

You think you need that much melee for trash 😂

[past stump]

Any of the base game stimms work with Stimm Supply.

[torn ember]

I like strength/attack speed stimms but the cooldown and toughness stimm lines are pretty bleh

[kind ice]

Max upgraded stim and running sample collector so the true cooldown is more manageable has been working out well for me. Full damage + weapon speed stim hits like crack

[torn ember]

Cooldown might have some use with Stimm Supply for your team but it feels bad on its own

[obsidian crown]

🙄 so you’re not able to do what you want to do so that means others can’t do what you’re not able to do. Ok. Not like skill gaps exists or anything

[thorny ginkgo]

lmao havoc is a breeze so far

[north meteor]

toughness is pretty garbage actually lol. Since its coherency garbage

[torn ember]

Yeah it's awful

[vast ferry]

the fuck, you tested it? you tell me if I have a health stim equiped and I pop this thing entire team gets 1 wound healed?

[rare idol]

🤷‍♀️ I see this is a pointless conversation with someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about

[obsidian crown]

It’s like the bad players in bf6 calling good players hackers

[past stump]

I've only tested in meat grinder.

[obsidian crown]

Because they can’t do what they do

[kind ice]

Reload speed stim for the team will make your shotgun teammates love you forever, might not be super uber meta but its fun and works well enough

[past stump]

But like, it should work like that yeah.

[vernal sluice]

thanks, I'll try reshuffling some points to get sample collector. I really only want to do the weakspot hits penance with it

[dim moth]

like I don't think they could have made a class more perfect for me if they had uploaded my desires directly into the videogame

[past stump]

Sample collector might be my favourite node in the entire tree.

[hazy vector]

just use cdr stim

[past stump]

Only reason I wouldn't take it is if I'm just not running anything that can deal chem toxin.

[kind ice]

Yeah even without a chem build Sample Collector is so noticable

[obsidian crown]

My friend feels the same way

[thorny ginkgo]

are these perks fine for crowbar

[hazy vector]

but you still get stim cdr even without chem toxin

[past stump]

Very noticeable yes, but even more stupid if you're dealing with chem toxin lol.

[rapid mango]

well... it did work, and then i crashed after a few seconds of spamming light attacks

[past stump]

I'm saying that I'll take it even if the point economy is rough if I'm running any amount of chem toxin. Otherwise I might skip it.

[rapid mango]

i would have clipped it but uh, crash

[past stump]

Still my favourite node and it's insane.

[vernal sluice]

also no man's land with hivescum fullstack is pretty damn hard

[fleet estuary]

scum is so fucked at low level 😭

[kind ice]

the open zones getting mowed down by gunners, nobody having any toughness regen. Classic

[vernal sluice]

fatshark is pretty evil for this one

[obsidian crown]

I can at least agree, it’s definitely bottom heavy

[torn ember]

Can Opener is great, I'm still debating the 2nd blessing but Superiority is good

[obsidian crown]

Talent wise

[north meteor]

Don't get me wrong, there's definitely a high skill gap with this class. I also think they need to tune some things to be a little more consistent

[kind ice]

'tis but a scratch' helped me through my later levels with the gunners, at least in the 4 gang squad games

[thorny ginkgo]

i had bash instead of can opener, i barely push though so i replaced it

[vernal sluice]

very high skill floor too, incomparably so

[fleet estuary]

every game I feel like I always have no ammo, no cooldown, no grenades, no toughness, no movement

[dim moth]

running chem build like this

[obtuse star]

Bone saw vs shiv while I'm leveling, just got to 15

[signal nebula]

I hate the argument of "well I'M enjoying it so all your opinions are invalid"

[kind ice]

Once you hit level 20 you have infinite ammo, it becomes magic. Persevere

[torn ember]

Push-attack is very good for horde-clear

[north meteor]

Yea its pretty dumb lol

[obsidian crown]

Yeah and depends on the build too. My friend is running a melee rampage build that’s just kinda gross. Barely takes dmg

[dim moth]

I do think there are valid criticisms but from my personal experience

[lost bear]

pickpocket?

[signal nebula]

Fucking stupid yeah

[thorny ginkgo]

true i just gotta use it more

[dim moth]

any criticism that the class doesn't do damage is a skill issue

[obtuse star]

Wait how

[kind ice]

pickpocket as said above

[rare idol]

I’ve tried it and crit stim they’re both pretty good. I just am trying to work out the “top mind” telling me “ammo infinite” while linking a build that — like mine — has invested a ton in melee because the ammo isn’t actually infinite and you need to melee often 😂

[dim moth]

their tree is laid out fucky

the super bottom heavy nature

stimm depency not really supporting the ability its under

[kind ice]

no way they aint nerfing pickpocket, shit's wild. Even without it can run desperado and all your ammo problems should be gone

[north meteor]

I'm only upset that I get to do damage 4 times and then have all my nades stolen

[thorny ginkgo]

bash is +12.5% crit chance per push for 3 secs

[north meteor]

my shivs are nasty though so its fine

[obsidian crown]

Bro sees 2 melee perks - “heavily invested in melee” I’m deceased

[fleet estuary]

is your desperado not on a 15 minute cooldown?

[brittle sierra]

Too many 😞

[obsidian crown]

And one of the melee perk is required to path to middle node

[north meteor]

I do think most of these complaints are players that aren't gun users. But even then, I think the melee actually has some pretty nice buffs

[rapid mango]

supply worked on med stim too, instantly cleared my wound

[dim moth]

I am not playing gun build

I am invested entirely into toxin and DoT

[rapid mango]

tho idk if thats base

[lost bear]

the melee is hella fun, loving that hsword is valid again

[rapid mango]

i should learn to read

[brittle sierra]

CDR is probably the best one

[thorny ginkgo]

melee looks more fun but i barely played desperado lmao

[kind ice]

The upgraded desperado you can extend to half a minute and beyond quite easily all without using any ammo, the basic one is absolute ass it gives you bad impression of what the real sklll can do

[rapid mango]

ah no so its 40 corruption base, way less than the med stim did

[livid raven]

it's so funny how rampage has a malus after it ends

[rain sedge]

pickpocket + desperado = infinite ammo. easily blast into chaff without thinking, just gotta keep mindful to look for something to kill to proc pickpocket again but it isnt too hard. focus cdr so you have really high desperado uptime. i dont like havoc so i havent tried it on havoc, but auric and maelstrom, i never need to pull out my melee weapon

[rapid mango]

i need to test this in a live match

[livid raven]

meanwhile desperado is looking smug

[torn ember]

Gun Melee and Toxin are all great but Gun and Toxin don't really come online until level 20+
... Also I think the Rocket Launcher needs an extra shot

[north meteor]

on that note, chem toxin absolutely shreds enemies. My complaint is lack of sources. I also kinda wish all chem toxin enemies exploded on death

[obsidian crown]

High havocs is where I’m unsure about this build tbh. But anything else, faceroll

[kind ice]

Yeah it feels like one chem grenade does more than one rocket, and you get more. I'm sure they'll give it a balance patch soon™

[livid raven]

chem grenade has such a wide range

[stone knot]

soap grenade

[livid raven]

it's a zealot fire nade that made it in life

[fleet estuary]

I really like that chem grenade looks distinct versus zealot fire

[torn ember]

Pickpocket allows you to have infinite ammo on non-gun builds as long as you use your Dual Stubs/Needle Pistol to pick off Elites/Specialists, and on gun builds it lets you somewhat keep your ammo up between Desperado activations (though you can't be completely reckless)

[dim moth]

I don't mind the lack of sources that much because of just how quickly it ramps in damage

3 chem toxin stacks does so much

[iron patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-43l_paCtw&t=5s

[dim moth]

and I have 72% crit chance with my knives so...

especially into ragers

I crit a rager once and flesh tearer+chem toxin will kill them

even if it was a light attack xd

[tender forge]

Cool, you could probably get nutty withcit

Then

[iron patrol]

your blade merely grazed the skin of a rager, which killed it instantly

[north meteor]

Also, if it wasn't clear of my stance, I love the class but think it needs tuning. But I'm still having a blast. I just want to poison everything lol. But also, yea shivs are busted

[thorny ginkgo]

stim cooldown mod is a lifesaver lmao

[north meteor]

I also use flak armor perk with crit chance perk

[unborn glade]

do you people crash in havoc while playing as hivescum with stim pack ability? no mods or whatever, my game is pure as a virgin Mary

[sleek grove]

did they nerf the upgrade+sell weapons back? now it gave pretty much no xp

[dim moth]

yeah

I can def see a few things that need to be buffed playing toxin build

[iron patrol]

do yall think hadron has autism, i need to know if my blades are being forged by a tech priest with autism in order to determine if its good or not

[dim moth]

5 seconds is a little too slow for the stimm explosion

[rare grotto]

was it the same weapon type?

[dim moth]

should probably be 3 seconds instead

[north meteor]

I say 2

[dim moth]

yeah either works

def needs to be faster

[sleek grove]

ye it was like 10 of em, got not even half of level 10 (from low lveel stuff eh)

[amber sundial]

What level are you

[hazy vector]

all cogboys have autism

[unborn glade]

every techpriest has autism

[north meteor]

or it should have an aura

[spice cloud]

Atleast the class isnt fckn overtuned like arby

[hazy vector]

unity of man

[spice cloud]

I think its more then fine

[iron patrol]

good, now i know my blades are good

[fleet estuary]

I really like scum cause you can see tummy though

good class

[torn ember]

That's fair

[iron patrol]

i like scum because i can make trevor phillips in darktide

[obsidian cipher]

The fact that push attack -> heavy (strikedown) -> heavy (vanguard) -> heavy (vanguard) on shiv mk1 puts you back in vanguard loops feels so bad wtf
why wouldnt they make it like knife, h1 vanguard and h2 being strikedown
fatshark pls change it

[sleek grove]

like 13 xd

[obsidian cipher]

Any testers to answer why they did like that

[amber sundial]

That’s why

[atomic quiver]

whats the difference between the needle pistols?

[iron patrol]

complete with berserk rage and the psychotic convos

[amber sundial]

Low power weapons give less xp

[livid raven]

what's the difference between the shivs

[iron patrol]

one detonates one applies more toxin iirc

[torn ember]

Secondary shot status effect; one makes things go boom with damage + stagger on death, the other one makes them apply a stack of Chem Toxin to things around them on death

It's... not a huge difference

[livid raven]

it's pretty huge

[thorny ginkgo]

it is huge

[iron patrol]

the worse shivs heavy is a wide slash opposed to the strikedown

[torn ember]

Or maybe it is idk

[atomic quiver]

is that in order

[thorny ginkgo]

mk3 is better

[torn ember]

[livid raven]

ah so mk1 is better

[atomic quiver]

like

is that first and second mark

[stark otter]

What's the quickest way to do the enhanced pen?

[iron patrol]

yes cause you do not want to be charging heavies in combat against hordes, the lights not having cleave doesnt matter when you are swinging like a maniac to begin with

[livid raven]

holy shit you weren't kidding

[torn ember]

I don't know I haven't unlocked them yet, I just remember from the preview videos

[livid raven]

these heavies suck ass

[rain sedge]

the stabby one is so much better than the slashy one that i wouldnt even bother considering the slashy one

[near vapor]

@high gull we reppin them colors in this house

[iron patrol]

its a wide slash on a weapon that has a reach slightly longer than your arms, it automatically sucks balls

[rain sedge]

hordes just spam lights. then stab the tankier guys. the other shivs that have heavy slashes still have the same light attack, so i dont really know what the purpose of it is

[iron patrol]

theres like, one heavy attack talent in the scum tree right?

[torn ember]

Okay so for people saying the Needle Mk difference is huge, which one is better? I was under the impression the Needle was used primarily for Elite/Special sniping and the secondary fire was barely used.

[split lagoon]

dump stat on needle is dmg?

[livid raven]

the higher mark

[split lagoon]

or stopping power?

[torn ember]

Is that the stagger or the chem toxin stack

[livid raven]

but realistically i don't think you would use the special fire

[lost bear]

IME lower mark is better (the one that doesn't explode)

[livid raven]

the chem toxin stack

[obsidian crown]

I would assume the spread

[hazy vector]

ngl that makes me tempted to change gender

[hazy vector]

anything it seems

can ignore stats

[dim moth]

also I have decided this class is never going to not be squishy

so 3 stamina curios for maximum attack speed

[rotund agate]

btw, anyone have any bonesaw blessing tips?

[torn ember]

ffs

[dim moth]

also means I don't get FUCKED because a dreg ragers attack ignored my dodge while I was doing a push

[lost bear]

issa mark change you'll be fine

[iron patrol]

secondary fire is for when you toss a chem nade/ med crate and want to obliterate a horde, if you use alternate to shoot one and it steps in chem pool it detonates with the alternate fire and carries its effect through the entire horde as they pass through the chem pool, effectively horde wiping, this strat is the smyker equivalent for the scum cause if they run out of nades/ dont have crate off cooldown these dipshits die instantly and i hate them and i despise them so fucking much

[iron patrol]

you get toughness by attacking, your best bet for tankiness is toughness gating damage

[fleet estuary]

DO IT

[torn ember]

You probably want the blessing that lowers Hit Mass on kill, 2nd blessing take damage or more cleave, whatever you need more

[rain sedge]

i like how everyone uses the same hair because it doesnt make your character look like a meth addict like every other hair style on the other classes

[iron patrol]

crit weakspots give 12% toughness, adrenaline is 5% per second, the ranged damage to toughness regen and the 50% instant recovery when broken for heavier hits means you are basically playing payday 2 anarchist in death wish mode armor gating shit

[lost bear]

Decimator can also work to address both damage and cleave

[spice cloud]

Lol no i use the mohawks amd spiky hair wtf

[rain sedge]

also its double funny because the closest class to a meth addict we have is also the most attractive

[spice cloud]

I wanna look like scum

[hazy vector]

damn, you managed to make hot female in darktide

[spice cloud]

Idk about you

[torn ember]

Yeah Decimator + Shock&Awe is my plan once I unlock the darned thing

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone else getting the blackout just not registering and not throwing?

[hazy vector]

I hate how emaciated males look

[rotund agate]

I have tried the +weakspot damage vs toxin'd. but I struggle to hit heads with it and survive... (headshots lock your camera to the enemy...)

[hazy vector]

so yeayh, i will probably go femboyale

[spice cloud]

[lost bear]

also is it just me or do the chem grenades not beat the allegations

bukk grenades

[fleet estuary]

finally, a human hair style

[torn ember]

Yeah that blessing kinda doesn't work as well as hoped, probably just go for Decimator

[iron patrol]

chem toxin is such a bullshit strong DoT its insane

[hazy vector]

~If you think it is good male physique, you need to go to gym asap
Actually forget gym, it will give you heart attack
Go touch grass for starters

[warped quiver]

I can't tell whether this is a joke
should I simply go all in on glass cannon

[spice cloud]

Uhhm i think maybe you should touch grass

[dim moth]

that's what I've been doing

[iron patrol]

the name checks out

[lost bear]

it's less glass cannon and more like playing Vermintide 2

[spice cloud]

I bet you follow bradley martin for life advise

[dim moth]

I take the one safety talent, and obligatory toughness regen so I can actually get my toughness back

[fleet estuary]

btw I called this. The chests are back to male flatness

[warped quiver]

I only vaguely remember vermintide 2

[lost bear]

Darktide gives you a lot of BS to unga bunga melee

[dim moth]

and then it's all DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE

[kind ice]

Welcome back Kerillian dual daggers my beloved

[iron patrol]

yes, you die to anything thats not a poxwalker in one to 2 hits, you are unironically better of nuking the battlefield before you die

[lost bear]

it's rough to get used to if you've been playing classes with lots of toughness regen

[torn ember]

"Oh cool lemme see what that badass trench coat looks like on my female Hive Scum"
"... Fatshark why"

[stark otter]

It seems to only count 70 per injection

[vocal saffron]

Can u post a reference

Of this emaciated critter in question

[warped quiver]

this is like saying "last year I predicted fire would still be hot today"

[hazy vector]

who is that

[fleet estuary]

it was always obvious, but I'm still disappointed

[rain sedge]

should i give the supply bomb a try? is the cooldown rough?

[spice cloud]

Your mom

[vocal saffron]

Aprunk

[obsidian crown]

Slide also makes you immune to melee dmg as well as ranged

[dim moth]

depends on your stimm

[obsidian crown]

People seem to forget this

[vocal saffron]

Pls post what the hivescum looks like

I have 2 see dis

[warped quiver]

only if you still keep sticking your hand into open flames
I just moved on from even entertaining hope

[faint fossil]

Leveling sucks so much ass, getting paired up with players that just shoot pox bursters in front of you getting 2 teammates killed is so ass

[hazy vector]

being born of 2 men, with no women involved, would be metal af

[iron patrol]

15 seconds to deploy a deathfield that kills crushers before they can waddle through? yeah

[vocal saffron]

If this is a SaltyDwarf Moment™

[spice cloud]

I am driving home from work rn i cant

[dim moth]

60 second base cooldown

[vocal saffron]

Nuh uh do it rn

W ur. Minde

[dim moth]

so anything less than that on your DRUGS is a faster cooldown

[vocal saffron]

The force

[dim moth]

and you can get stimm cooldown shortened through Sample Collector

[vocal saffron]

Safe driving < internet argument

[hazy vector]

i will post whe n i launch the game

[warped quiver]

I have come to terms with bursters and barrels being entirely my own fault for even hoping teammates have a brain at all

[dim moth]

the cooldown literally does not exist

[rain sedge]

god it felt like every match was with brand new players who never held a controller before. ha i rushed difficulty just to get out of those queues

[dim moth]

the problem with it is that 5 second delay makes it hard to use

[brisk compass]

i hate damnation i hate damnation i hate damnation please god get me out of here, if a dog touches me once it's instantly game over the entire group falls apart every time bro like please you people have grenades oh my god

[torn ember]

I played with a level 8 veteran who walked right up to a Daemonhost. Didn't attack it, didn't shoot it, just walked up to it and stared at it.
We picked him up a few rooms later. Poor newbie had no idea the wrath he was incurring.

[stone knot]

chem dependency bad

[spice cloud]

I literally cant my computer is at home

[stone knot]

there

[warped quiver]

:(

[brisk compass]

[vocal saffron]

Use ur neuralink

Duh

[faint fossil]

Dude 1 dude got me and the other player killed

[spice cloud]

It was a salty dwarf moment the males look fine

[faint fossil]

he shot a burster in front of us

while we were in melee

then later on shot a barrel

next to us

killing us

[fleet estuary]

probably returning players that havent played in months

I have like a 50% win rate in heresy lmao

[spice cloud]

Bodybuilder bodys are the most unhealthy male form period

[obsidian crown]

PSA - you can be immune to both ranged and melee dmg when sliding so slide a lot

[spice cloud]

Prove me wrong

[fleet estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/600-lb-life-pound-gif-18390702

[north meteor]

I found heresy to be better than Malice lol

[dim moth]

not melee damage without the talent but yes ranged

[spice cloud]

Atleast hell live to 80

[fleet estuary]

na, malice I can solo at least

[rain sedge]

what stimm build are you running? just cdr?

[fleet estuary]

you think that guy is living to 80?

[obsidian crown]

Should always path on that tbh

[torn ember]

My first Malice mission was the Train Job

[spice cloud]

Hes less likely to get a heart attack lol

[torn ember]

I'll give you a guess how that went

[fleet estuary]

WHY ARE PEOPLE QUEUEING THE TRAIN

[rain sedge]

quickplay

[stone knot]

They like trains

is all

[torn ember]

I got quickplay'd in and went "OH NO"

[north meteor]

lmao

[dim moth]

attack/swap speed

[stone knot]

boy ppl are not used to fight the twins eh

[stiff compass]

Does hive scum seem squishy to you guys? Gave me a greater appreciation for veteran

[vocal saffron]

Not rlly an argument forgone conclusion methibks

[rain sedge]

30/30? 75 seconds even with sample collector felt slow but i was probably doing something wrong

[vocal saffron]

Dependz if it's like

[idle ocean]

Oh I’m scumming it

[iron patrol]

cause scum relies on enemies to sustain and 4 scum doesnt work in malice cause 2 fuckwits with chem nades wipes the first 6 hordes while the bruisers try to get their hands on shit to smack while taking damage then run out of nades and die instantly cause they never bothered how to actually play the class

[idle ocean]

I’m scumming it so hard

[vocal saffron]

A prof bodybuilder like

[wise sorrel]

Probs cause it's the first of the new three part campaign?

[vocal saffron]

Competez

Or just a Guy

[forest willow]

I was struggling to get past heresy on ganger but turns out if you stop for like 3 missions in Malice and actually bother upgrading your shit instead of speedrunning its okay lmao

[spice cloud]

Bodybuilders cant do a single damn pullup

[idle ocean]

Oh god I’m about to scum

[torn ember]

Very squishy at low levels, gets a lot better with dodge talents and Burst of Energy from the bottom of the tree

[spice cloud]

Cant even carry their own weight

Pathetic

[vocal saffron]

A competitive one ? Literally probs a shorter lifespan than some1 who's been obese most their life

[rare grotto]

lol. FatShark made killstealing a mechanic in the game. only, it just hurts you doesn't help.

[vocal saffron]

Tren'd the fuck out

W hgh 2 the gillz

Got dat bubblegut

[dim moth]

just the first one

[spice cloud]

Exactly what i mean

[vocal saffron]

Times tickin on the ticker

[spice cloud]

Of course i overexaggerated

[dim moth]

shortest cooldown possible to spam the insane death bomb that is the stimm crate

[spice cloud]

I admit that

[vocal saffron]

Noh i know wut u mean

But i got wut u meant earlier

[dim moth]

and 4% attack speed/25% swap speed isn't even a bad deal

[fleet estuary]

no reasoning, only mad

[dim moth]

ogryns spend talent points on that

[vocal saffron]

A lithe frame w lean muscle is what some1 like

[spice cloud]

Thin lean muscle is peak male physique

[vocal saffron]

Realistically would want if ur killin ppl in Tertium

Gotta run n jump a lot

[sturdy linden]

Is the crate that good

[wise sorrel]

[iron patrol]

not even killstealing, i dont need kills i just need something to smack in fight except i cant because meth addict #218 cant fucking help himself when it sees me fighting more than 3 poxwalkers and tosses a fucking radioactive barrel under my feet

[vocal saffron]

Cant do that weighin 240 lbs of fast twitch only muscle

[rain sedge]

cool cool

[brisk compass]

I don't, I think that talent is useless but

[spice cloud]

Will prolly gas out after 5 min

[forest willow]

The best and healthiest form that any athlete can take is the decathalon racers

[sharp dune]

What does viscosity mean? As far as I can tell it’s the exact same thing as volume

[livid raven]

useless number, ignore it

it's the cooldown in a number that means nothing

[dim moth]

7 chem toxin stacks will instantly kill every elite enemy in the game except for ogryn, maulers, and scab ragers (they live on 200 health)

[iron patrol]

useless stat tbh, just look at the cooldown under it

[obsidian crown]

Think of it as capacity

[sturdy linden]

A simplification of viscosity is how thick a liquid is

[sharp dune]

Yeah, isn’t that volume already?

[sturdy linden]

Damn

[forest willow]

Represents how complex your stim is and effects cooldown. More points in stim = longer cooldown but bugger buffs. Its quantity vs quality of your stim

[wanton prawn]

Literally the only thing its used for is certain penaces only progress if your stim has more then 50%

[dim moth]

it also staggers and opens bulwarks

[obsidian crown]

Yes but easier to understand if you look at it as capacity

[dim moth]

so you can chuck a knife or shoot them with some other source of toxin

which will put it over the threshold to also kill them too

[sharp dune]

I get that but, wouldn’t that be easy to understand without the stat being there and just looking at the volume left + cooldown?

[astral canyon]

Bugger buffs

[neon fern]

no unique blessings on the needler

what is this

[sharp dune]

Because complex just means how many points you’ve used up

[astral canyon]

A needle gun

[neon fern]

it gets fucking ghost

bwah

[dim moth]

is the opportunity to use non-damage related blessings without throwing not inadvertently unique blessings

I'm unironiucally running stripped down on a gun for the first time ever to help with approaching shooter blobs xd

[fleet estuary]

viscosity is so that you can mentally picture yourself injecting jell-o into your veins. You can feel the thick slurpiness squirm into your veins as you inject high viscosity go fast juice

[forest willow]

You are correct, so its basically flavor text

[faint fossil]

this what getting jumped looks like

[neon fern]

yeah i mean that seems like one of the few usefull one

[dim moth]

crit chance ones are good too since the gun puts more stacks of poison on crits

[last widget]

How do you find hive scum in comparison to zealot (as closest match)?

[somber blade]

2hp? u can fit another corruption in there

[neon fern]

but it would've been nice to have unique blessings considering the gun has unique mechanics

[hazy vector]

it is also unhealthy, and the unhealthy part mostly in low fat %

but you know, there are more things in between

[covert hazel]

Powerlifters on the other hand

[neon fern]

what's the other mark srynge gun do

[sharp dune]

Damm

[lost bear]

also fundamentally trying to compete for anything on the human limits is kinda unhealthy

[dim moth]

one causes poisoned enemies to explode and stagger, the other they explode and give toxin to others nearby

[lost bear]

but you eat the cost because that's the price of admission

[dim moth]

with their alt fire

[sleek grove]

Veteran is the complete opposite of squishy with the insane amount of +toughness you have on the tree tbh

[neon fern]

spreading one is the first right

[covert hazel]

Vet can be squishy in melee

[sharp dune]

Misread that and started to think about the Olympics

[dim moth]

https://imgur.com/a/pRvvoz3

[neon fern]

they could've made the colors more distinc between the 2 marks

[covert hazel]

But they don't have to be

[dim moth]

second

[neon fern]

different shades fo greenz

[lost bear]

most elite level competitors in something are also more than a little mentally deranged by median standards, that's how they got there to begin with

[stiff compass]

Thats what I mean. I appreciate vet more for being just about as tanky as arbites

[sleek grove]

yeah as i said 😂

[sharp dune]

DAMM WHAT

[thorny ginkgo]

ngl adrenaline frenzy is lowkey mid

[sleek grove]

Oh i thought you meant the opposite, them being squishy

[stiff compass]

Hive scum can keep twin pistol spamming as long as they got helpful vet yelling at them

[iron patrol]

i wish all malice chem crate spammers a terrible evening

[muted python]

insane aura farm

[unborn glade]

yall want to check my build that crashes the game for every player?

[sharp dune]

Okay wait are we talking about competitions that push the human limits or like debates about human limits

[covert hazel]

Since your probably a better vet than I am, is the Agrippina pattern infantry autogun bad or am I using it wrong?

[hazy vector]

What is bad about it lol

[dim moth]

Agri is kinda like a DMR you just tap things with it

[lost bear]

was addressing the two people arguing about male physiques up above

[sharp dune]

Oh what was the discussion?

[dim moth]

I think columnus is just better at the moment since it has such low recoil and the same reduced falloff that agri does

[lost bear]

one was like "darktide meth chic good", the other was "darktide meth chic bad"

that's my summary

[rose flax]

Can you have adrenaline smiter and Adrenaline assassin?

[covert hazel]

So then why not just being a Precision AG?

[dim moth]

more ammo

[sharp dune]

Ah, that kind of talk

[dim moth]

better DPS because of full auto

[iron patrol]

its smyker for hivescum, i havent seen these mfs actually manage against more than 3 poxwalkers without a tox nade or a medicrate

[dim moth]

also different blessings

[covert hazel]

Fire, thank you.

[lost bear]

hive scum is exposing a lot of people in melee tbh

[brisk compass]

does the train count as the same progress towards unlocking difficulties as regular missions?

[dim moth]

I don't willingly choose to fight 3 poxwalkers without medcrate because medcrate's cooldown is a government conspiracy

It's not real

[lost bear]

with arbites you could literally not engage just not engage with the melee mechanics

walk forward and spam lmb and it had you covered

[thorny ginkgo]

how’s hsword with rampage

[lost bear]

fucken good

[dim moth]

hang on let me get cole's clips

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m getting bored of crowbar

[covert hazel]

And with ogryn it is way more about spacing than blocks/dodges

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445746183938113596/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-02_1-30-57_AM.mp4?ex=6931778e&is=6930260e&hm=ac763a26a79e1428168ec06c258fdc36be423c15639870ab9155448155c66baf&

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[last widget]

Half Life 3 confirmed

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445742086233002107/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-01_11-41-55_PM.mp4?ex=693173bd&is=6930223d&hm=2ceab1f44e8e76fc31122c1a78515531fcbc3b07ba1953894b0147518854579f&

[main wagon]

Thank you Melk very cool

[thorny ginkgo]

anyone know the dump stat for hsword?

[dim moth]

defences

or mobility

it has one of those

[fleet estuary]

with arbie it doesnt matter what you use you just spam lmb with any weapon and you are invincible

[main wagon]

Obv post-craft but Ive never gotten a 430, just 420's

[hazy vector]

but medicrate does almost nothing

[thorny ginkgo]

ty

[iron patrol]

detonates into a chem nade

[rose flax]

+3 stamina is so rare lol, nice job

[hazy vector]

ah, right

anyone compared shivs to combat knife btw?

thinking which i want to have for ultimate dot build

[dim moth]

weaker uncanny strike but they have real cleave so

and chem toxin kills crushers from the knife throw special

[hazy vector]

is chem affected by uncanny btw

[rose flax]

Combat knife for mobility, shivs for Killin

[dim moth]

don't think so

[signal nebula]

Nope

[reef spoke]

Man the fucking "30% toughness regen when taking ranged damage" being near the bottom is agony

[sharp dune]

This sounds like the right take

[reef spoke]

I can't regen shit lol

[iron patrol]

i fucking straight ran down to it, you can get it at level 13

[drowsy relic]

It is affected by your weapon perks though

[spark bough]

i am thoroughly enjoying the attack pattern of the Bone Cleaver, its actually so nice.

[dim moth]

yup

's why I run my knives like this

[rose flax]

Of course nimble makes shivs become even more mobile than a combat knife though lol

[iron patrol]

you use the shit knives????

[reef spoke]

Indeed I'll probably have to swap off my tox build for now

[dim moth]

yeah why not

[fiery palm]

I like the scum's mini-riposte talent

[hazy vector]

because you trade very good anti-elite power for horde clear

[iron patrol]

dude the heavy is so shit, its a sweep attack with zero fucking reach

[rose flax]

Someone has never played as elf before

[dim moth]

yeah I'm not using the anti-elite power

I'm swinging into hordes

and gassing anything bigger than a gunner

[reef spoke]

The true shiv meta is using it for speed and just stacking speed stim + desperado UwU

[dim moth]

still get the strikedown heavy after push attack anyways

[blissful sundial]

The Londener in me requires that I use the knives

[vernal sluice]

lvl 30 let's fucking gooo 🗣️

[abstract onyx]

so far i tried the dual auto and normal dual stubs god game gime the needlepistol already

[dim moth]

carapace dps isn't very different between the knife marks on my build

since all of my damage is from bleed/toxin p much

[vernal sluice]

Using sample collector and long lasting did the trick for me 😅 halfway through after 3 auric missions

[near mauve]

so i take it take off uncanny for funny crit on dodge?

[silver mural]

Anyone try a chem build without the saw? Relying on crit stacks to get your nodes going?

[dim moth]

yeah that's how I've been playing primarily

with dual knives

[stone knot]

adrenaline frenzy my beloved

[nocturne anvil]

there seems to be an animation bug with the twin stub pistols

[dim moth]

touch a rager once and the bleed+toxin do this to him

[fleet estuary]

it feels really fun to use desperado with dual smgs

also the blessing that lets you fire while sprinting

[livid raven]

you don't need that blessing to do it

[covert hazel]

How are teams dealing with gunners/shooters? I'm getting constant four-ganger stacks and we're sometimes getting turned into swiss cheese

[livid raven]

i press F

[blissful sundial]

Desperado

[dim moth]

RUN AT THEM WITH MALICIOUS INTENT

[fleet estuary]

desperado

[stone knot]

slide

[main wagon]

Desperado go brrrrr

[fleet estuary]

if desperado isnt up, I hide

[livid raven]

you can already run and fire with dual autoguns

[main wagon]

We're fighting eachother for kills to maintain the ability lmao

[kind ice]

1 maniac desperado supressing them should be enough for the other 3 to not die advancing

[covert hazel]

Oh wait... Bruh I'm so fucking stupid it gives you ranged immunity doesn't it

[livid raven]

so the blessing kinda sucks

[fleet estuary]

30% reduced spread feels crazy, idk

[kind ice]

Spinning the pistol imparts centrifugal energy into the bullet, it only makes sense

[fleet estuary]

maybe its just me

[dim moth]

nobody has ever used run and gun for the running and gunning part

you use it for the 30% spread reduction

[stone knot]

man I'm not sold on the dual stub

[livid raven]

why would you take that over speedloader and a strength blessing

[fleet estuary]

so I can hit things

[livid raven]

or another strength blessing

[main wagon]

Mmm but left stim

[dim moth]

you wanna hit things at a distance?

not really scum's thing tho

[main wagon]

-50% Recoil + 30% Reload Speed

[kind ice]

hipfiring snipers 100m away is a vibe, but even without the spread talent its more than accurate enough

[main wagon]

Become bullet hose

[nocturne anvil]

Animation bug with the left handed special attack flourish.
Using it during a specific timing after the right handed special flourish causes a bugged animation.

[abstract onyx]

god i cant finish a single run

[stone knot]

you already have a talent that gives -30%

[nocturne anvil]

Throws off my rhythm sometimes

[dim moth]

I need less man

[calm aurora]

MFG as a lvl 24

[stone knot]

and frankly just spray and pray wit hthe dual smg

ratatatatatatat

[livid raven]

oh was scoreboard updated finally

[stone knot]

oh that reminds me

[calm aurora]

on mod discord at least

[stone knot]

what about guarantee weapon swap

[reef spoke]

Bolt pistol time UwU

[calm aurora]

not broken as far as i know

[stone knot]

it was yesterday

[dim moth]

anyways level 30 so the most fun part of new class

[nocturne anvil]

Anyways I adore the stub pistols because it makes me feel cool.

[calm aurora]

I started playing with mods today

[stone knot]

thththt aaaw dang it

[tranquil fjord]

are the cleave talents effective on the tac axe and combat axe?

[calm aurora]

I decided to do the same for my psyker, after 750 lvl and 3 years

[near mauve]

HE ROLLIN

[tranquil fjord]

their hitmass values against enemies are still so low

[stone knot]

alright, I guess I have to try the saw

[calm aurora]

i wanted red everything

[near mauve]

i stopped rolling a lot for curios when i got mine for arbeetus and ogryn from the normal store lmao

[stone knot]

I hate the swinging pattern

[livid raven]

which might just have worse cleave

[calm aurora]

3 but on the taxe it's ok you're fast

[livid raven]

tho with shock and awe it still good there

[calm aurora]

and there's bm\

combat axe dies without bm

[stone knot]

ah, yes

[torn ember]

Fatshark quality strikes again: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pcwxn5/the_50_recoil_stimm_effect_gives_to_uzi50_recoil/

[tranquil fjord]

shred, bm?

[livid raven]

wonder if they are going to add the new blessing to some weapons

[tranquil fjord]

hyper critical and hyper violent seem to scale it well

[livid raven]

hyper critical anti-synergizes with hyper violent

[stone knot]

this

[glad latch]

This affects ranged as well?

[tranquil fjord]

ah

[fleet estuary]

dont read talents, just make a pretty pattern out of what you pick in the trees

[torn ember]

Pretty sure Hyper Critical also doesn't count the kill for things like Blinder grenade regen

[idle lava]

The 7s downside of rampage is, nothing, compared to the duration youd pop it for, right?

[stone knot]

cause you don't get the bonus damage on hyper violent if you instant kill with hyper critical

which, at first, thought it was the case

[reef spoke]

It doesn't seem to in my experience

Swapped to chem nades in the mean time

[tranquil fjord]

ah

[charred jewel]

HAVOC READY!!

[tranquil fjord]

i remember this talent on slayer

[thorny ginkgo]

is cara and flak the best perks for hsword?

[spring umbra]

Hi Keet

[tranquil fjord]

are you killing crushers/maulers with it?

[zenith pagoda]

LEVEL 30 FINALLY

[tranquil fjord]

if it hits a breakpoint

[stone knot]

Hsword is bad against cara

like, awful

[livid raven]

it doesn't really matter if you use rampage

[tranquil fjord]

those rending talents seem to make it

[near vapor]

for the conclave 🗣️

[tranquil fjord]

okay?

[twilit canyon]

is this not what people normally do?

[thorny ginkgo]

No

[fading imp]

I like the fact we can have a drill as a weapon

[dim moth]

delightful

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt use the heavy sword without rampage

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m using cole’s build with rampage

[tranquil fjord]

whose and what is it

oh

in the pins

[thorny ginkgo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0801856-474d-4278-8040-0b313f784675/hsword-scum-kills-crushers-btw-lole?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

ya

[tranquil fjord]

carapace would probably hit a breakpoint for at least maulers?

[reef spoke]

Is Needle pistol usable vs bosses?

[thorny ginkgo]

yes very

[torn ember]

Mag-dumping a boss deals a lot of damage over time

[reef spoke]

Ah ok thank you c;

[tranquil fjord]

id recommend it then on the heavy sword

[reef spoke]

I wasn't sure but the numbers seemed good

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[zenith pagoda]

is this a fake one?

[reef spoke]

Desperado Needle pistol time 🤔

[tranquil fjord]

its real

[calm aurora]

you want deathblow and headtaker.

[reef spoke]

I believe 410 is good

[covert hazel]

What goes good into combat axe?

[calm aurora]

yeah it's good

[fleet estuary]

in the last area of the new mission I I almost soloed a plague ogryn by myself with a crowbar while my team was all fighting a chaos spawn it took so long

[tranquil fjord]

carapace, flak/unyielding
brutal momentum/headtaker

[zenith pagoda]

Nice, I got a 17% toughness and 3 stam curio already

[calm aurora]

so there's no attack speed node in the tree? 😄

[tranquil fjord]

there is

[livid raven]

there is, kind of

[calm aurora]

and no rez ally faster? 😄

[tranquil fjord]

attack speed on stamina bars

[dim moth]

a lil'

[fleet estuary]

there's never any res ally points

[rain snow]

bruh

[reef spoke]

Yeah that'll do it lol

[calm aurora]

hmmm so what does that give you on average?

[tranquil fjord]

vet, zealot, ogryn have them whilst ganger, arbites, and psyker do not

[dim moth]

not even max stacks actually

sec

[calm aurora]

because I tend to spend my stam a lot using the taxe

[tranquil fjord]

id still recommend rev speed on curios for arbites and hive scum

[reef spoke]

Oh yeah I need to find out the stack limit

[stone knot]

depends on the weapon, but it can be more than 25% iirc

[thorny ginkgo]

battering strikes or battering momentum for hsword

[dim moth]

30

[zenith pagoda]

If you put stamina on weapon and 3 stam curios you can get like +40% attack speed

[dim moth]

takes 4 needle pistol shots to hit that

[tranquil fjord]

the increase of rev speed talents is additive not multiplicative

[reef spoke]

Oh wow that's very impressive interesting it can even stack that high

[dim moth]

varies by weapon, I get 15% on knives

[tranquil fjord]

max rev speed curios make rev speed 2 seconds

[reef spoke]

Got it, thank you c:

[tranquil fjord]

but with rev talents it only becomes 1.8 with max rev curios

[torn ember]

I wouldn't need rev speed talents if my teammates weren't terrible

[tranquil fjord]

not really worth it

to take rev talents imo

[torn ember]

[reef spoke]

Hive scum helping people smh fail rp

[verbal orbit]

How many toxin stacks are applied on Shiv throwing knife?

[calm aurora]

happens all the time rn 😄

[dim moth]

same as a needle pistol bodyshot which is...4 I think?

[torn ember]

Needle bodyshot is 5

[dim moth]

no wait 5

yeah

[verbal orbit]

Thanks