hivescum-class

[floral verge]

I am a sucker for spinny pistols

[foggy phoenix]

Any reason to run the non-exclusive autoguns on scum?

[hazy vector]

it was always like that

[floral verge]

I reckon a braced autogun desperado setup could be kinda nuts

[drowsy relic]

Infinite stim box tho

[neat delta]

SO FUCKING CLOSE TO FULLY MASTERING EVERY WEAPON

[tribal bane]

Theshow goes on

[random shuttle]

Just a general reminder - if you ever want to know EXACTLY how every talent works, check out Kuli's Guides.

[hazy vector]

... it is not melee, it is perfect accuracy shot

also it is just gun spinning

[brazen furnace]

damn no wonder

[floral verge]

IT IS?

[grand jewel]

thats not toned down, its just balancing lol

making it make sense

[floral verge]

Well it isn't like I ever needed it considering I just barrel stuff every mf or take their head off from a mile away but

Hey the more accuracy the better

[warped grove]

"dual stub pistol melee"

[latent lark]

lowkey they should’ve given the class the stub pistols as the first weapon but that’s a very small gripe

[floral verge]

I had no idea what it was because I would just accidentally hit the button and be like "why tf did i just spin it, guess that was quick melee?"

And continue left mouse buttoning my way to victory

[warped grove]

Its a QTE, you click it when youre pointing it and it turns into a sniper almost with the accuracy

[random shuttle]

I am a big fan of all of Scummy unique tools

they really cooked here

because they all feel wacky

[floral verge]

Hm, neat

[warped grove]

very good for picking off specials

[zenith fern]

The clicks on the dual stubs reloads are so satisfying to listen

[random shuttle]

Bonesaw + Needler, my beloveds.

[glad latch]

what is the difference between the 2 needle guns?

[drowsy relic]

SMGs play slightly better with desperado so it makes sense for timmy 10 year old that just bought the class to hold left click in malice

[floral verge]

I was too busy laughing at magdumping them to figure out things like "mechanics" and "special abilities"

[random shuttle]

Blue mode on Mk2 has AOE, Blue mode on MK6 has explode enemies.

[neat delta]

Wrath is a must on bonesaw yeah?

[drowsy relic]

MK2 enemies explode when they die after being hit with blue mode.
MK4 enemies spread toxin when they die after being hit with the blue mode.

[random shuttle]

Nah. It's great but must have? nah

for me must have for Bonesaw is Shock and Awe

[glad latch]

ah ok.

so just the blue mode changes

[drowsy relic]

I believe so

MK2 seems better but need to do more testing

Don't use gloryhunter

[random shuttle]

Mk2 is deffo most versatile

[neat delta]

@brittle ferry ngl I like the idea of someone thinking I was at it all fucking day leveling each of the weapons lmfao.

Also good Sallie Mae pfp :3

[random shuttle]

Also love the Crowby

[hazy vector]

Where is that mod

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/multiversus-multiversus-joker-multiversus-joker-crowbar-crowbar-joker-gif-11320781085423985322

[floral verge]

Crowbar is a 9/10

[zenith fern]

"Bits and pieces EVERYWHERE!"

God I love this voiceline

[floral verge]

I subtract one because I feel as though a crowbar needs a better "CLONK" sound

[zenith fern]

The tone of the voice

[neat delta]

Level 18 bonesaw...yes...

So close to greatness.

[toxic dagger]

On the male?

[random shuttle]

I just love Crowbar is the first weapon with SMOOTH mode switch

so it can be done, Fatshark, huh

😏

[hot moth]

did they change something about weapon sacrificing to hadron?

[toxic dagger]

No

[hot moth]

It's telling me that I'm going to get less than 1 level from sacrificing like 30 greens to hadron

[toxic dagger]

Someone made a mod that lets them change weapon attacks in meatgrinder and they made a mockup of chainaxe that uses crowbar switching logic to toggle between regular and latching attacks

And I need it to be real so bad

[hot moth]

30 weapons and like 1 level

[winter tusk]

You get xp based on weapon rating, you dont get maxed rating weapons until your character is maxed

[neat delta]

That would be very logical

[random shuttle]

Are those 30 weapons all shivs?

[toxic dagger]

Did you sacrifice shivs for shiv exp or just random crap?

[winter tusk]

If the weapon has 80 rating you'll get jackshit for mastery xp

[neat delta]

Needs to be the weapon of the same type else it won't work

[hot moth]

it's 30 shivs for shiv

[winter tusk]

Its the rating

[toxic dagger]

Oh that makes sense

[winter tusk]

You need to be higher level

[hot moth]

I thought it was just match rating + green rarity

[hot moth]

I did like 30 weapons on arbties and that maxed it

[toxic dagger]

Was your arbites maxed?

[winter tusk]

The rating is what makes the difference, they changed it to scale with your character level more so you can just immediately max mastery

Cant*

[tulip magnet]

it's under the sauce...

[hot moth]

when did this change happen

[winter tusk]

Since arbitrator, I had the same issue on it

[tulip magnet]

that's how it worked for abites too

[toxic dagger]

Oh I wasn't even aware of this being a recent change

[grave venture]

This might just be my worst class

[floral verge]

On arbites I honwlestly only maxed the exterminator and shock maul / shield

Only weapons I ever needed or desired

[hot moth]

I mean

I have a hundred thousand plasteel

[random shuttle]

I maxed out my stuff by hard grind

[floral verge]

I had a stroke mid type there

[random shuttle]

but

[hot moth]

I could brute force this, it'd just be

an insane amount of extra clicks

[toxic dagger]

It's arguably the hardest class to play

[random shuttle]

thats what unlimited dockets and plasteel and diamantine will do to a motherfucker

[winter tusk]

Its not worth doing at that low level, youre gonna spend 5x the material and money

[flint granite]

Hive scum were born with glass bones and paper skin

[drowsy relic]

Spent 5 minutes looking for the tox potent node not remembering its one of then connecting nodes 💀

[toxic dagger]

And it doesn't really come together until the bottom of the tree

[zenith fern]

Yes

[tulip magnet]

just use the weapons to level them while you level the character

[hot moth]

I have infinite of both

[grave venture]

Yep, I'm not even sure I'm going to max it out

[hot moth]

But it'll take me so long lol

just to click

[toxic dagger]

Yeah I looove the way he drops his voice into his throat

[winter tusk]

Yep

[toxic dagger]

So gnarly

[zenith fern]

So glad I chose male anarchist, absolute maniac

[flint granite]

The leveling experience is miserable I'm on the verge of cheesing it lol

[hazy vector]

shit, so i have to get to 30 before maxing weapons?

[winter tusk]

That's why im using tac axe/revolver for leveling, shit i have mastery for and got maxed immediately

Or close to it

[floral verge]

So how many people named their Hivescum a drug-related pun

[grave venture]

You can tell hive scum was made for people that love this game

[toxic dagger]

Smart

[winter tusk]

The higher your level the higher the weapon rating scales

[zenith fern]

"This is not gonna hurt, PROWMASEE!"

That legit made me laugh so hard first hearing it

[dim wigeon]

It really makes you be on your toes because a guy breathing on you wrong is enough to take out your health

[drowsy relic]

I love that voiceline. Shame his "I'm a giver! You lot look like takers!" Isn't as good as the female version

[toxic dagger]

For and by people who love this game. Heavy collaboration effort between devs and testers

[tulip magnet]

Does Needle Pistol damage affect the toxin or should i just dump damage?

[neat delta]

Bonesaw fully leveled

[grave venture]

Named my guy Skivvies

[drowsy relic]

No it doesn't

[neat delta]

I am happy.

[grave venture]

Exactly, not for casuals

[floral verge]

Fantastic

[tulip magnet]

60 damage it is, then

[floral verge]

I personally went with Krak-Fiend-Jimmy

[toxic dagger]

My Anarchist is Nine-Toes

[neat delta]

Why is there pee on it

[grave venture]

Arbites is for casuals, Hive Scum is for those who get at least 20 hours in each week

[tulip magnet]

You woke the wrong dog

[grand jewel]

togzin

[neat delta]

It's piss.

[toxic dagger]

Hahah not a bad way of putting it

[tulip magnet]

You could always be a Flynt. Seems like there's always more of those fuckers

[covert lagoon]

gotta say there is way fewer toughness replenishment skills earlier on than with other classes

[neat delta]

Fuck

[tulip magnet]

Yeah, you can't tank shit

[smoky hatch]

yeah, sounds like Hive Scum's thing is to be a high skill floor/ceiling glass cannon

[grave venture]

That being said I'm sure hive scum is without a doubt the strongest class if you're that good

[novel oracle]

havoc 36

[hazy vector]

Does amount of mastery XP gained scales with total xp gained per mission, or with difficulty?

[grave venture]

You can just evaporate anything, but you better not get hit like twice

[zenith fern]

I forgot what threat meant in this game

[hazy vector]

Because heresy maelstroms givem ore xp than any Damnation misssions

[grave venture]

Chance enemies target you

[livid raven]

just how much enemies are likely to target you

it's kinda dog

[neat delta]

How much of a fuck enemies give about you

[zenith fern]

most real shit

[livid raven]

but i suppose if there is any class that doesn't want to be targeted, it's the scum

[zenith fern]

I want enemies come at me

[hazy vector]

aggro

0 threat = you are invisible

[grave venture]

I think the gauge for whether or not you should play hive scum is if you can remember the last time an enemy hit you

If you can remember, don't.

[livid raven]

2 seconds ago

not having issues as long as i have ammo

[hazy vector]

No, it does not work likje that

[neat delta]

It can be good to be ignored so you can shoot em in the back. Or as I call it. backshots

[winter tusk]

The gauge for if you should play scum is if you play psyker and if you get flattened on it

[livid raven]

why would psykers get flattened

they are quite tanky

[worn canopy]

i need someone explain me subnode upgrade stimm supply; Practiced Deployment

[rose mortar]

best taxe mk?

[novel oracle]

7

[winter tusk]

Sure they are now

[grave venture]

They suffer from the same survivability issue but not nearly as bad

[dapper prairie]

what's the perfect cd + buff combo to make it so i can rampage into stim into rampage into stim

[rose mortar]

ta

[dapper prairie]

Anyone got any number crunching?

[livid raven]

once you have a stim ready to use, you instantly recharge your ability

[grave venture]

If you find Psyker too easy and would like to deal more damage

[winter tusk]

Nah psyker still has more damage potential tbh

[dapper prairie]

rampage into stim cycling makes me feel alive

[worn canopy]

oh i see

[grave venture]

damn so just don't play hive scum unless you hate life I guess

[compact oyster]

Why are you playing havoc twin

[livid raven]

desperado makes you quite tanky

[smoky hatch]

from what i've heard, the tranq pistol has good horde damage

[novel oracle]

why wouldnt i be

[toxic dagger]

Nothing spews more damage everywhere than an infinite cleave weapon with infinite ammo

[grave venture]

Really makes you feel like some random uncorrupted bottom feeder of society

[winter tusk]

Nah play hivescum if you want interesting gameplay that isn't standing around shooting a stave

[toxic dagger]

But hive scum has some crazy high, more focused dmg output

[livid raven]

true you stand around shooting dual smgs instead

[grave venture]

Instead you can be on the floor for half the game unless you're insane with it

[novel oracle]

yeah you can instead get different form of being immortal while never letting go of m1

[zenith fern]

guns blazing

[smoky hatch]

i believe we in the biz refer to this as a skill issue

[winter tusk]

Its not that difficult to play scum, you just cant eat shots for free, but honestly thats something you should be getting used to anyway

[grave venture]

Of course it is, you need to be more skilled with ganger than any other class

[neat delta]

I think I'm done

[manic quarry]

Some balancing tweaks are inevitable

Thanos style

[brittle ferry]

Thanks! Also, like, its not outside the realm of what i know people do

[winter tusk]

Unless you main arbitrator or melee ogryn or something, then youre used to be braindead and regenning

[brittle ferry]

Fuck Erebus

[neat delta]

ITS FULLY DONE YEEEES ALL THE WEAPONS ARE FULLY LEVELEDDDDDD

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-crying-baby-celebrate-meme-gif-25564236

[brittle ferry]

Congrats!

[grave venture]

Support vet, I'm used to only taking a hit every now and then

[neat delta]

ALL PISS YELLOW...AS GOD INTENDED.

[quasi brook]

what is the dump stat on crowbar ?

[neat delta]

mob

[hazy vector]

aslo bad metric, psyker has become braindead class

it got too simplified

[tulip magnet]

Sleep, my dudette...

[winter tusk]

It is if you play a staff

[livid raven]

it always was, but don't tell anyone

[grave venture]

Heresy for Hive Scum is Auric for Arbites

[winter tusk]

I mostly play melee psyker

[dapper prairie]

hive scum is paper thin

[neat delta]

Give me 4 million dollars.

[lusty egret]

does bonus damage on needle pistol perks apply to chem toxin damage?

[grave venture]

No Auric for Arbites is still easier

[small grail]

Man hive scum is tough

[dapper prairie]

i haven't tried drug dependency yet

[brittle ferry]

@neat deltacan you send me a link for what you used?

[dapper prairie]

hows it

[icy stag]

maybe im misreading but shouldn't these augments be mutually exclusive? seems counter intuitive

[grave venture]

Havoc 40 for Arbites is Sedition for Hive Scum

[winter tusk]

Of course arbitrator is one of the tankiest classes in the game

[tulip magnet]

Trying to do level into heresy with this class is like doing auric on arbites

[toxic dagger]

Yes

[icy stag]

what's the move for adrenaline frenzy anyway. i'm trying to do the penance lol

[grave venture]

No wrong way around

[grave venture]

Yes.

[neat delta]

in dms ye

[small grail]

I also can't figure out how to make the saw work

[grave venture]

You got it

Only arbites on Auric is easier I think

[winter tusk]

Saw needs cleave

[tulip magnet]

back and forth motion

[winter tusk]

Real bad without

[neat delta]

use wrath

[winter tusk]

Needs shock and awe for armor

[livid raven]

shock and awe is better

[dapper prairie]

is slippery customer just busted

[small grail]

Ah that makes sense

[grave venture]

I only lose with arbites every now and then when there's a severe darktide moment, I legitimately lost 7 times in a row with level 15 scum on heresy

[hazy vector]

then every calss was always braindead

[winter tusk]

Yep its squishy and has a high skill ceiling

[toxic dagger]

Take the one that increases duration and the one that gives fat stacks for elite kills. Then you just run around with the shivs and kill everything. It finishes fast.

I got that penance in like 3 or 4 games

[grave venture]

And a mountainous floor it seems

[toxic dagger]

Or less

[small grail]

I'm sure once i get upgrades rolling in it will start cleaving hordes and dealing actual damage to armor

[winter tusk]

Arbitrator is one of the worst classes to main because it causes bad habits like thinking youre tankier than you are

[drowsy relic]

That's why you gotta main the real hardest class

Psyker

[radiant bolt]

We have any idea what the dump stat is for crowbars yet? Mobility or defenses?

[drowsy relic]

[neat delta]

6 or 7...

6

[tulip magnet]

i started going down way more after i swapped back from playing arbitrator

[toxic dagger]

Not that high, I think... but maybe I can't judge that accurately lol

[icy stag]

oh sweet, cheers for the tip

[dapper prairie]

did they make it so the stim supply consumes the stim and gives u dependency?

[grave venture]

I think it's just I hate all of ganger's guns and need the needle gun

[rustic lava]

Damn bots refusing to rescue me while I am hanging

[neat delta]

And I still have so much material left

[tribal bane]

these kettle helmets are so wonky lookin

[winter tusk]

Use guns you have mastery for already

[toxic dagger]

It requires good tide combat fundamentals. Being good at dodging, shoving, positioning to avoid taking unnecessary damage. Beyond that I'm not sure it's that much different than the other classes

[winter tusk]

The game is a lot easier without shit weapons too

[grave venture]

It's the guns

[neat delta]

Hive Ganger is ultrakill

[radiant bolt]

Anyone?

[neat delta]

Mob

[toxic dagger]

Pick one that you like from the generic pool then

[grave venture]

I'm basically playing ganger but only melee weapons and only poorly because I don't have the points to make them good

[winter tusk]

Use an infantry auto or revolver or something for leveling

[toxic dagger]

Revolver or autogun

[grave venture]

You're going to hate what I have to say about the generic pool ganger gets

[dapper prairie]

good ol zarona and bolt pistol, nothing beats those

[toxic dagger]

Those are good weapons!

[winter tusk]

Use a tac axe or some melee you have mastery in already

Makes the leveling process less painful

[dapper prairie]

good ol rashad, nothing beats that

[grave venture]

I legitimately can't win with the ranged pool, all the weapons feel like caca

[tribal bane]

I love the duel stubs and the bonesaw

[toxic dagger]

What do you normally play?

[livid raven]

dual smg feels perfect

[neat delta]

Okay....next thing is to get my ganger actaully at max level. Which involves just playing the game!!! yay!!!

[winter tusk]

Of course if theyre unupgraded theyre gonna feel bad

[safe loom]

Hey I've been struggling on trying to find a good build for the Dual Stup Pistol I was hoping to get some help

[outer silo]

can't dye your facial hair. Boo.

[grave venture]

Vet, love my helbore, love my bolter

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-mr-krabs-meme-spongebob-squarepants-mr-krabs-drooling-mr-krabs-drool-gif-23222523

[tribal bane]

I think the closest you're gonna get is the vigilant autogun or boltpistol

[cedar cairn]

Don't ask me the dump stat of anything

[winter tusk]

What the dumpstat of anything?

[neat delta]

Imma dump my stats alr

[grave venture]

I do not mean to be rude but I hate those, recoil of the bolt pistol makes me gag and the vigilant autoguns feel like shooting blanks even though I know they do damage

[winter tusk]

use an infantry auto

[grave venture]

I like weapons for feel and unless the needle pistol has something good I'm basically just a melee ganger

[tribal bane]

when in doubt dump mobility or defense

[grave venture]

That'd probably work

And then there's the melee options

[hazy vector]

ok this is my weakness

[winter tusk]

use tac axe or something, thats what i've been using for leveling

[grave venture]

They're all so strong until I realize I don't actually do that much damage with my talent points

[rustic lava]

I got to give it to fatshark as they designed classes pretty well, as the best way to play with them is to play them like they are described.
Now with the hivescum it's best to play like a meth head.

[tribal bane]

bro, it's just a person's midriff

[grave venture]

Doing drugs to avoid realizing how poorly you're actually doing?

[winter tusk]

cant give any weapon a fair judgement without being max level on the tree and having the weapon upgraded

[tribal bane]

i do not see how midriff is sexy

[winter tusk]

they're always going to feel bad

[grave venture]

Exactly, but I don't know how hard ganger scales towards the end of the tree

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-jadedkiara-gif-265731165932019111

[rustic lava]

No do drugs and become an unstoppable mad man running right into the faces of whoever is shooting at you

[grave venture]

Is it like a jump from street trash to heretic annihilator 9000 or something?

[winter tusk]

the blessings make a big difference, especially on something like a knife

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/waterboy-dispatch-frosting-cupcake-gif-904742930010535526

[grave venture]

The purple keystones seem to make ganger an actual class if my reading was good

[fickle socket]

is this one good or should i go for mobil dump crowbar

[grave venture]

Honestly I think most of my deaths as ganger have something to do with not being able to clear the crowd and getting assaulted by ranged units

[warped grove]

I run defences as well cuz mobility is gangers whole thing

[grave venture]

Can maybe kill one or two enemies every other hit

[fickle socket]

thx

[tribal bane]

that's good, I dump defence aswell

[fickle socket]

welp time to make it Legendary

[grave venture]

Better not to risk getting touched in the first place, might die from the fear of getting tapped as ganger

It is literally the "don't get hit" playstyle

[winter tusk]

Gotta use your slide a lot, don't be afraid to use the environment to break line of sight on gunners, you can force gunners forward if you hide from them long enough, they'll try to reposition

[fickle socket]

now the question is, what perk and blessing

i know can opener, but what about the other

[grave venture]

Oh yeah, it's just I can't kill anything to make room, and neither can anyone in my team because they're dying the same way

[tribal bane]

superiority's good in my experiance

[winter tusk]

thats just a fundamental issue with dodge dancing/melee

[grave venture]

I am doing this, it's just the one time I get caught off guard or everyone else dies first and I can't do a damn thing to stop the inevitable

[winter tusk]

something you have to practice and learn

just have to accept death in darktide, especially if you want to improve

[fickle socket]

looks great, what about unstopable force?

[grave venture]

I have over a thousand hours between vermintide and darktide, I know how to dodge dance

[winter tusk]

guess not

i used grey knives up to heresy and only got down a couple times

[tribal bane]

i'd say at that point personal preferance

really just depends if you're going to be swinging heavies a lot

[grave venture]

I do eventually get hit at some point of course, and since I'm always dodging the same amount of enemies because my weapons hit like they're made of stupid, that's not a diminishing chance

[winter tusk]

gotta use that push, reposition, dont just let them surround you, use chokepoints, force them to move

[brave furnace]

For me its the teammates that leaves me to solo a horde with shive and no nades

[hazy vector]

FFS WTF IS WRONG WIH FARTSHARK SERVERS

[flat mist]

just solo it?

[hazy vector]

game is fuckn upnlayable

[grave venture]

I got downed before everyone else did maybe once or twice tops, I need better than grey starter tools

[winter tusk]

only the finest amazon work servers

[grave venture]

Year of the server outage

[hazy vector]

???? shivs are good against hordes

[split lagoon]

What's your dump stat on autopistols? mobility or collateral?

[winter tusk]

like i said use stuff you have mastery for, once you hit heresy it becomes harder with shit weapons

[brave furnace]

I woude but rusty i havent played since dog man cam out

That and im bad xd

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[hazy vector]

nah, on heresy it is fine

[grave venture]

You're entirely right here, just gotta avoid heresy until I find a weapon or talent that can cause a weapon to be one I can push myself to use

[hazy vector]

on damnation you start feeling it

[rustic lava]

I didn't even realize that this was perfectly balanced until I looked at it just now

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-bonk-gif-1640802954755837923

[grave venture]

No you're right, I'd win every time if I could never get hit

[winter tusk]

no i was definitely feeling it on heresy when i had to stab a crusher 9 times in the head with a knife and it still doesn't die

[hazy vector]

everyone got it

[floral verge]

Was having mad crashes earlier myself

[hazy vector]

laso why bother with this shiv mark

[floral verge]

Weirdly it was only if I was partied with someone else

[rustic lava]

Im level 7?

[grave venture]

And this is where I'm wondering whether the weapons suck or they made weapon stats matter that much more

[winter tusk]

you cant use grey weapons in heresy/damnation without feeling the difference for big enemies

its doable but its noticably worse

[brave furnace]

It 100% is

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/masive-skill-issue-skill-issue-yakudza-gif-14004060172467418456

[rustic lava]

anyway i was pointing out its stat distribution all being 76

[grave venture]

Feel like I could take a vet weapon with 10% in everything and still dominate everything while ganger will literally just be useless with anything less than a god roll

[winter tusk]

like i said they need to be upgraded, cant give a fair judgement without a maxed character and weapons

[tribal bane]

I ran into a few like that

various weapons

[barren thorn]

the first 4 weapons you got have balanced distribution, i think

[fickle socket]

prob mobil

[rustic lava]

haven't gotten many myself

[grave venture]

True that, but I know what the trash weapons feel like on other classes and it's not quite the same tier of garbage

[rare grotto]

that's probably because Vet has VoC and grenades which are strong on their own, while Scum's talents are largely about buffing their damage with their weapons.

[grave venture]

I don't think I've ever used a weapon that takes a double digit amount of hits to take down a heresy tier crusher

[winter tusk]

grey junk for ya

[grave venture]

Grey junk isn't even that bad on other classes honestly

[winter tusk]

it is

[robust sable]

A lot of Scum's base power is in their weapons as well; sure there's some pretty hefty buffs in the tree, but Veteran hands out damage buffs like candy.

[winter tusk]

lol you just need more testing

[grave venture]

I would know, I use grey junk all the time

[robust sable]

Hive Scum's damage buffs are a bit more specific outside of Rampage and Adrenaline Frenzy

[grave venture]

Grey junk my beloved

[winter tusk]

you can also upgrade the mastery a bit as you go on, you'll get a couple levels per game normally

[drowsy relic]

It's the other way around sorry. Mk2 is toxin mk4 is explosion.
Mk2 is better

[floral verge]

My guess is balancing wise, because scum has a whole additional tree, everything is toned down just a smidge - Not to mention the squishiness

Gotta balance out the fact that between gear, talents and stimm, scum have three different avenues to be strong

[winter tusk]

negative it has one of the highest damage potentials

[floral verge]

A vet only has to worry about two, gear and talents

[winter tusk]

its just squishy to make up for that

[grave venture]

Ganger is the one class where I legitimately feel like I'm missing out by not having every perk

Can't tell whether I want to stack damage, stack defense, or stack aoe stuff

But I know trying to balance it is not the way to go

[cedar cairn]

Every single Heresy match is failing because no one can stick together and no one can revive lol

[floral verge]

I've just been running a basic desperado build while I level up and then I'm gonna make alternate profiles to try everything

[winter tusk]

not sure but i'll tell you need to focus your build a bit more if you're spreading it all over the tree, that'll also be a big contributing factor

build needs to be somewhat cohesive or it'll feel bad

[grave venture]

I'm not, literally just drawing lines from damage perk to damage perk

It is so hyper focused on damage yet I am dealing none of it

[winter tusk]

its not always just about damage lol

[floral verge]

The uzis might synergize a bit better, but stubbers with desperado is definite fun

[grave venture]

That is what I lack

[winter tusk]

use upgraded weapons then try it, even at level 16 i can like 2-3 shot crushers on heresy with tac axe

[drowsy relic]

I mean is it ranged damage, melee damage, toxin damage

[grave venture]

If it takes 3 hits to kill a pox walker, I could be nearly immortal

Wouldn't matter

[tribal bane]

I feel the duel stubs fit desperado to a T

[shadow umbra]

i wasted 1.3 million ordos
just to get a crowbar with the stats i want

[grave venture]

Right, stacking melee

[tribal bane]

I personally like them much better than the duel macs

[shadow umbra]

i love you fatshark

[floral verge]

They definitely just feel right

[arctic imp]

Both work very well.

[grave venture]

I'm mixing in some tox since I do tox, but only because I don't have more melee perks to choose

[floral verge]

Plus I feel like Max Payne or like I'm playing Double Action Boogaloo again

[safe loom]

I've been trying to get the stubbers get the damage output I need but I can't seem to get it right lol

[grave venture]

You know what it's gotta be the mag totals on ganger I hate

[floral verge]

Frankly with any new character I run up, I specialize really hard into the core at first and then round it out later

[brave furnace]

Im looking forward to try that myself

[grave venture]

I have to spam the guns but they don't have the mags to do that when they're garbage tier

[tribal bane]

I like runnin blinders with pocket tox, it basically turns blinders into a mini chem nade

[arctic imp]

Has it been confirmed if stimcrate is working as intended? It’s still not interacting with chemical dependency, last time this was talked about it was said to be a bug. Is it intended now?

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-20496920

[floral verge]

A couple decent blessings on my Jason Todd stick will make up for having zilch for perks, it's just my horde clearer while I dump magazines at anything that doesn't rep my colors

[shadow umbra]

Duel stubs if you wanna feel like a badass
Duel macs if you wanna have a fully optimal desperado build
Needler if you are playing a melee build

[tribal bane]

literally me when i see a hoard of poxers

[arctic imp]

Bring me a playtester

Find me one

Quickly leskanza

[tribal bane]

?

wut

[arctic imp]

Urgent super important question

[unique dagger]

Who dares to summon me

[tribal bane]

Hank maybe?

[grave venture]

Dual stubs if you wanna spray and not hit anything or take so long per shot that it doesn't even matter
Dual macs if you hate killing elites
Needler if you're an explosion fan

[floral verge]

Felt

[toxic dagger]

pretty sure its a bug

[arctic imp]

OH THANK GOD

[toxic dagger]

or not desireable behavior at any rate

[arctic imp]

I’m gonna hold on to these words

[floral verge]

Desperado DEEEEFINITELY fixes this, but, feels like they balanced the mag totals a smidgen around it, a bit scant without

[vale garden]

Cole also said it was a bug

[arctic imp]

I understand stim crate using the stim but it should really be interacting with dependency

[shadow umbra]

ALSO STILL SCREW YOU FATSHARK

I SEEN SOMEONE CALLED METH

BUT I CANT BE CALLED

DRUGGY HOOVES

[floral verge]

Krak Fiend Jimmy reigns supreme

[tribal bane]

my friend is named bye towers

[hazy vector]

pure skissue

[toxic dagger]

idk if "bug" is the right word since it's not like the interaction is intended to function in the code but is prevented from working, but I do think it's safe to say that chemdep should trigger when you consume your stimm with the supply ult

[hazy vector]

i have no troubles

[arctic imp]

you literally summoned him thank you

[rancid creek]

Love the crowbar

[grave venture]

I know I want to run a desperado build, but I also don't know how much the stats fix the fundamental issues I have with the weapons themselves

[grave venture]

I am not a ganger type player

[hazy vector]

So why you got it

[drowsy relic]

Ask to get it whitelisted on the forums

[floral verge]

Gotta start somewhere

[novel oracle]

what lol

[spice cloud]

Slap run and gun and blaze away on the autopistols and voila

[grave venture]

Because I like trying new things and would love to start being a ganger player

[safe loom]

Trying a Bolt Pistol desperado build. This is pretty fun

[tribal bane]

why is the kettle so fucking dumb lookin?

out of all the legendary head cosmetics

[grave venture]

I see

[toxic dagger]

he's commenting on his own problems with piloting the class

[floral verge]

A friend and I both got scum but honestly I feel like I need to play my arbitrator so we have ONE tanky person on the squad

[spice cloud]

That will reduce the spread a LOT

[floral verge]

Every mission is all scum

[novel oracle]

lots of self reports
you love to see it

[arctic imp]

I’m unsure how much of a difference the dependency stacks even make, but I like knowing I have them. Hopefully they fix that soon

[hazy vector]

You know what

[toxic dagger]

well

[hazy vector]

i start to think Gloryhunter might be good pick for needle

[grave venture]

This, it's less a vet is better and more a scum is ridiculously difficult for me to comprehend playing

[tribal bane]

they just need the brim to go just over the brow, but no, we are more suseptable than fucking Goliath is to David

[toxic dagger]

honestly there is not a lot of synergy between crate and chemdep atm

since chemdep cdr doesnt make your stimm cool down faster

which you are reliant on to spread it with the crate

[mental igloo]

I couldn't get gloryhunter to proc off dot but maybe that's a psykanium problem

[hazy vector]

I use chemdemp with melee ult

[toxic dagger]

it's not a fully fleshed out part of the tree imo

needs to be revisited

[hazy vector]

works great

• 20% crit chance

[grave venture]

It's not like that, genuinely just talking about struggling at piloting the class

[radiant bolt]

What's the dump stat for dual autopistols? Collateral or mobility?

[tribal bane]

I like chem dep with desperado, works a treat when you need it back faster

[novel oracle]

chem dep and crate are DOO DOO FART

[toxic dagger]

yes but unironically. he's not been complaining about the class, just speaking for himself

[young forum]

is the crowbar good? and what combos should I use for horde clear/single target

[safe loom]

Mobility

[tribal bane]

mobility

[arctic imp]

I know 🥺 BUT I have found that a toxin build with sample collector can demolish the cooldown of your stim if you’re very active. It’s a lot of work but it’s fun. I recognize that part of the tree is meh though

[radiant bolt]

Figured but wanted to be sure

[toxic dagger]

yeah sample collector works, chemdep itself does nothing for crate though.

[novel oracle]

ah ok
but my point still stands in general in what we see from the community

[toxic dagger]

yeah

I have been enjoying that

[tribal bane]

the lower most segment has a lot of good shit

[winter tusk]

Why isn't the class arbitrator squared? REEE

[novel oracle]

insane how it wouldve been so much better if chem dep was just

[arctic imp]

Are you saying the CDR doesn’t apply at all to crate?

[novel oracle]

the original concept

[idle lava]

If you use the stun grenades with the blitz explosions apply three stacks of tox, it should be better then the other two blitzes right?

[undone arch]

Can any crowbar enjoyer show me their build?

[balmy radish]

hank in which cartel are you?

[toxic dagger]

it applies to the crate but not to the stimm, and you need the stimm to have a useful crate, so...

[grave venture]

There is a bit of me not being sure I'm the problem in some instances because I can't imagine a decent stat boost changing what I find to be a fundamental part of each weapon I don't mesh with, but that is the majority of the message

[toxic dagger]

I dont remember what that was atp

[radiant bolt]

I assume mobility is the dump stat for dual stub pistols as well?

[toxic dagger]

but let's work on getting it reworked 💪

[arctic imp]

I spam my crate as a means to get damage. But you’re right that’s not efficient at all and it is the weakest ability

[tribal bane]

kinda? it's no chem nade, but you get more and can replenish them by just killin a bunch

[grave venture]

Hive scum rework 3 days post launch

[mental igloo]

nah its v nice but the other two have way more aoe clear potential so they can stabilize bad situations if used well

[balmy radish]

attack speed an thoughness genwration could be good

[novel oracle]

stim regen rate
the subnodes were also a sizable buff with an additional nerf per stack

[novel oracle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07e01b3-371f-4210-b913-bd94d5173e42/bathsalts-freeman

[floral verge]

I like the replenishable stun nades purely because I'm used to shock mine arbitrator

[balmy radish]

...work crate with non cartel stims?

[novel oracle]

it does by why would you

[toxic dagger]

oh that led into the loop shenanigans. ok say no more, i remember.

[undone arch]

Thank you 🙏

[safe loom]

Is it normal for the cosmetics to change after every mission?

[hazy vector]

because you can heal whole team with 1 heal stim?

[novel oracle]

the loop stuff was cuz the stim wasnt consumed and gave effects even if it was on cd

[balmy radish]

sounds like a Bug

[arctic imp]

I like that. Let’s bring that back

[grave venture]

The bonesaw is my way of reliving monster hunter's sword and shield oils, but I think I need (want) a needle gun to pair it with

[novel oracle]

it was gamebreaking

it made you immortal

literally

[arctic imp]

😔

[arctic imp]

The bonesaw is the one unique weapon I don’t really like. It feels super awkward

[toxic dagger]

cole i think this WIP stuff that never saw the light of day is covered by the NDA. I said "say no more"

😛

[dapper prairie]

whats the combos for cleaver?

[empty bough]

is it better to dump mobility on crowbar?

[dim moth]

that chem toxin sure does a lot of damage

[near vapor]

yea

[brittle ferry]

I am Killrillian

[grave venture]

Make stims work like peril, the more you inject the more likely you are to have a stimm crash and die of a heart attack

[tribal bane]

for the most part, sense the stimm crate doesn't give dependancy for the time being, i would just stimm for the dependancy then drop the crate for the penances

[calm aurora]

MFG people

[arctic imp]

Oh I like that

[fierce aurora]

Dual auto pistol dmg is better at lvl 500. Right.

[tribal bane]

cus even if they don't give the bonuses, they still contribute to the penances

[arctic imp]

I stim for selfish reasons and then drop crate to apply those juicy 7 stacks of tox

[fierce aurora]

Since when I just started its ultra weak sauce. Can’t even clear a minor horde

[arctic imp]

I highly recommend this. It’s strong but the radius could be bigger

[grave venture]

I am the opposite

[tribal bane]

i drop the crate for penances, you drop the crate for an extra chem nade
we are not the same

[grave venture]

It is the one unique weapon so far I do like

[arctic imp]

EXACTLY MY DMG IS HIGHER

[tribal bane]

and i'm running desperado

[balmy radish]

how are normal dual pistol

[tribal bane]

duel stubs are fun

they feel perfect to me

[fierce aurora]

Aight. Thx Cole.

[tribal bane]

though, i haven't gone higher than heresy yet

[fierce aurora]

Appreciate it

Gonna level all the weapons anyway.

[balmy radish]

look like dual deagles

[arctic imp]

Really? I like the shivs and crowbar. Crowbar feels reminiscent of shovel which I Love and the shivs seem to have better block efficiency than knife so you can really keep yourself safe while still doing knife things

[grave venture]

There's a chaos spawn

[novel oracle]

shivs also have toxin knives to throw

[grave venture]

I find the shivs to feel like shivs on armored enemies, and the crowbar feels like it just bounces off of whatever I hit with it

[compact oyster]

there are so many people shooting bursters

[arctic imp]

perfect for my toxin build. I can’t bring myself to use the bonesaw. It just wasn’t moving the way I wanted it to

[grave venture]

The bonesaw feels schmeaty

[arctic imp]

I want speed

Become speed

[livid raven]

the bonesaw is slow as sin

[patent bone]

500 stubs clears hordes?

[tribal bane]

bonesaw is amazing

[calm aurora]

lvling with 4 other hvs is painful tbh

[near vapor]

its a combo weapon

[dim moth]

probably to avoid it being a DoT stacking monster tbh

[livid raven]

i mean

[near vapor]

theres a hidden heavy moveset you can do after doing a push

[livid raven]

it also makes you move much slower

[grave venture]

Imagine if bonesaw could get 7 stacks of poison per 2 seconds

[balmy radish]

looks at firesword from vt2 and at bs hmm

[livid raven]

maybe i'm too shivpilled

[patent bone]

Same dude

[grave venture]

That's what ranged weapons are for

[random shuttle]

love me bonesaw

[patent bone]

Love me shiv

[arctic imp]

You will begin to want more ammo in your magazine.

I started to use the uzi’s because it felt like i got more bang for my buck even though the stubs individual bullets do more damage

[patent bone]

Love me gang

[balmy radish]

steals your shivs, forgets the red crowbar by you

[patent bone]

Love me hive

[fickle socket]

whats good perk and blessing for dual knife and dump stats

[near vapor]

you cant hold m1 using the 1911s therefore it suck!!

[tribal bane]

that's the neat part

[patent bone]

Riposte is a good one

[livid raven]

i dunno about dual stubs, but dual autogun just mow down stuff

[balmy radish]

looks at auto fire mod

[near vapor]

uncanny riposte/precog

[tribal bane]

+20% ammo on close range kill

[livid raven]

not even

[patent bone]

Duel stubs can shoot through targets so you can hit one behind em

[livid raven]

it's just 20% ammo while under 20%

[patent bone]

You also have to kill a special

[arctic imp]

I have riposte and uncanny. I had riposte and executor but uncanny does more damage on everything that matters when I tested it

[tribal bane]

also, range and style just go to the stubs

[tough widget]

Saw a level 20... It's been 18 hours...

[compact oyster]

ok so what is the crowbar dump

[balmy radish]

i think dual stub is more for Special killing while uzis are for horde clear

[grand jewel]

restores back up to 20% not give 20% no?

[arctic imp]

I’m max level. Many people are

[compact oyster]

cause i wanna know if i can get 4 dodges with 60 mobility on it

[livid raven]

dual uzis kill specials very well tho

[tribal bane]

nothin beats spinning the pistol around to nail some poor citizen who couldn't afford their corpse starch for a couple days

[drowsy relic]

FYI don't put carapace on the needle pistol as it only makes the toxin do more damage to crushers and only crushers

[patent bone]

I'm going to play the ultimate scum experience
Sets sensitivity to max

[novel oracle]

i was max lvl
16 hours ago

[tough widget]

How...?

[arctic imp]

that’s not cool though

[patent bone]

Playing

[arctic imp]

that doesn’t count

[tribal bane]

we play

a lot

[near vapor]

I grinde an entire night just to get max level scu

[patent bone]

I'm almost max level rn

[twilit canyon]

Playing?

[unreal stirrup]

riposte go crazy though

[grand jewel]

higher difficulty also grants more XP

[unreal stirrup]

hive get 40 crit just from talent + riposte

[near vapor]

just spam quickplay and put 10% experience perk

[patent bone]

Been sucking it up in Damnation, haven't won a single one

[grand jewel]

helps for toughness too

[patent bone]

But still fun

[arctic imp]

Uncanny is the best you could choose though. The 2nd choice is debatable

[twilit canyon]

Play your highest difficulty, do quickplay, slap some xp on curios, really easy to max level

[unreal stirrup]

precog isn't that good on pretty much all weapon over riposte

[grand jewel]

riposte helps for crit towards toughness regen too

since HS is kinda starved for it

[twilit canyon]

Id add win, but some people get offended by that

[arctic imp]

you say that but I am starting to think that’s not true. I get toughness when shot, I get toughness when I melee crit. I get toughness when I melee kill a toxed enemy.

It adds up

[fierce aurora]

Cole answered it for me.

[dapper prairie]

cole wheres the builds

[fierce aurora]

I don’t have the material hoard to buy and upgrade things to max them out.

[patent bone]

I didn't see it!

[dapper prairie]

i'm copying

[patent bone]

Pinned

[fierce aurora]

He showed vidyas

[shadow umbra]

What blessings are you guys running for the duel stubs? I thought pinning fire and run and gun would be a good choice

[patent bone]

But good gun ye?

[patent bone]

I'm doing run n gun and the stabalizing

[hazy vector]

also talking about chemical dependancy and medcrate

[dapper prairie]

whats shock and awe

[arctic imp]

Why do people recommend pinning fire on the uzi’s when it feels like they don’t want to stagger anything?

[fierce aurora]

Ye. From the vids, I’m on that slow grind. Only level 6 and the weapons is only level 7 too.

[hazy vector]

while they don't interact with each other, Sample Collector is good talent for thecrate

[fierce aurora]

Hope to play more this weekend.

[grand jewel]

doesn't have to full stagger to get a stack

[fierce aurora]

I don’t have friends to cheat the leveling with.

[shadow umbra]

it doesnt need a full stagger to stack

[fierce aurora]

[drowsy relic]

Minus 60% enemy hit mass 3 seconds after a kill

[shadow umbra]

it just needs to stagger to a degree

[fierce aurora]

As in. Get carried

[patent bone]

I'm gonna play rn, just having a cigarette break

[livid raven]

it's great

[south ice]

why is my guy throwing all my grenades at once lol

[livid raven]

it staggers the chaff

[arctic imp]

what is considered a slight stagger? The stagger I’m thinking of is stopping a gunner from firing

[idle lava]

Does upgraded desperado specify you get the bonus for killing marked things with range?

[grand jewel]

imagine the enemy moving

thats pretty much all it cares about

lol

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/no-damn-smoking-ya-here-no-smoking-gif-10054185

[livid raven]

yes

[arctic imp]

Oh wow I have to try that. I was using blaze away annnnnd something else

[idle lava]

Shame.

[patent bone]

BUT I NEED IT!!!!!

I'm testing a new form of stimms

[grand jewel]

yeah, less power than blaze away but more reliably stacked and faster

not even reliably, just

up more often

dont have to mag dump to get bonuses

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-ai-joker-gif-16756314525424183526

[charred nest]

What perks do y’all run on the needle pistol

[tribal bane]

INJECT THEM INTO THE BLOOD STREAM LIKE ANY GOOD JUNKIE

[grand jewel]

wouldn't you like to know

[arctic imp]

I already had some good damage so I’d love to see how much of a difference pinning will make

[livid raven]

shooting like 3 enemies almost instantly gives you 5 stacks

[grand jewel]

QoL, blaze away at max stacks is 40% strength, pinning is 25%

[arctic imp]

Full stop. PSA:

The blessing that gives you ranged immunity on the needle pistol is broken. Make use of it

[patent bone]

IT LASTS LONGER YA CHICKEN NUGGET

[grand jewel]

how

[charred nest]

Wouldn’t you like to know

[livid raven]

Cole runs speedloader instead of pinning fire btw

[arctic imp]

The only requirement is that you must be sprinting and have 50% stamina for the maxed version

[patent bone]

I ain't using Needle pistol yet. Enjoying stubbies and autopistols rn

[hazy vector]

ok you know what

[livid raven]

which is fair, you are reloading a bit too much

[hazy vector]

i think med crate is meh

[arctic imp]

Have that, and guns do not touch you

[hazy vector]

and all keystones except chem dep are meh

[tribal bane]

THAT MEANS YOU GET MORE TIME FOR MORE DRUGS YOU GOD DAMN FISHY

[grand jewel]

I run pinning/speedloader

[patent bone]

THE FUCK YOU CALL ME YA FUCKIN BUNNY BOILER?!

[arctic imp]

I have blaze away speedloader

[grand jewel]

also reload speed on stim and reload speed on close range kill and reload speed on perks

[arctic imp]

Mine better, though I appreciate cole’s efforts to educate us

[grand jewel]

why reload when I could be shooting

[tribal bane]

well, idk if fish fursonas are considered scalies or fishies, so i just went with the latter...

[arctic imp]

the biggest problem with desperado is not getting enough bullets out in time. Reload fast means you shoot more

[patent bone]

I'm just a shark dude. I'm constantly surrounded by ocean

[arctic imp]

I BLINK AND I HAVE RELOADED

[ripe fjord]

Crowbar feels really really anemic

[drowsy relic]

Ghost + stripped down call that funny mode

[ripe fjord]

Am I just dumb

[tribal bane]

and sharks are cartilaginous fish

[patent bone]

Slap some desperado on that bad boy and you won't stop shooting

[tribal bane]

therefor, fishy

[patent bone]

I'm gonna fuckin take yer leg

[arctic imp]

Stripped down is S tier

[warped quiver]

interesting how you can make a 1-point stimm work for a dependency build

[patent bone]

Might give it a whirl, was good on my Vet

[ripe fjord]

Friend is seeming disallusioned with the class and I rly rly rly want him to have fun, anything that just kinda raises Hell and is super fun to play?

[arctic imp]

I know that’s not relevant to your conversation. But i am spreading the news

[tribal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-shark-get-off-me-hit-classic-batman-gif-17677736

[patent bone]

If it helps, then it is!

[vale garden]

Shivs looking minimalist

[tribal bane]

very mindful

very demure

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/jaws-jaws-the-revenge-jaws4-shark-attack-shark-gif-21127243

[flat mist]

That's not broken that's just how it works

[vale garden]

At this point theyre just ivs

[tribal bane]

i'm a fucking dunce, why the fuck did I say that shit

[arctic imp]

Imo the biggest dangers to hive scum are gunners and armor. If you have the armor taken care of, ranged immunity is the last hurdle

[arctic imp]

I’m saying it’s broken as in op

[patent bone]

Gunners are now the bane of my existence lol

[tribal bane]

desperado

[patent bone]

As soon as it's ready I pop Desperado and just bum rush

[flat mist]

Stripped down has been in the game since launch lol

[patent bone]

Ye

[arctic imp]

But is it the best blessing choice for the weapons it existed on?

Because on needler it is

Needler has nothing good

[drowsy relic]

I think the stub pistols have too few bullets per magazine (magazines?

Maybe going up to 16 or 18 would make it feel a little better

[vale garden]

Well

[fast gust]

They do reload pretty fast tho

[flat mist]

No one needs a PSA for a 3 year old blessing that hasn't been changed in its functionality

[vale garden]

Boy howdy do I have a perk for you

[patent bone]

Funny enough that's how I got my torso armor, I just cheat the desperado and let the gunner shoot at me

[arctic imp]

The PSA is for how strong it is for hive scum specifically

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-blessing-blessed-bless-gif-25991585

[patent bone]

Patchie has dropped!!
WHAT'S YOUR GANG??

[arctic imp]

especially with their stamina regen

[patent bone]

Ayo? Mentioned in game?!?

[fast gust]

The D- Tread Lighties

[patent bone]

Fuck yeah

[vale garden]

Its Ammorai Jack

[fast gust]

idk I like trains

[patent bone]

That's fair

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-train-die-potato-gif-22212845

[patent bone]

But that BLUE tho!!

[tribal bane]

whoever thinks the kettle helmet is a good head cosmetic, why

[empty bough]

do you guys dump mobility on crowbar?

[grand jewel]

warty car tell

[grand jewel]

no

[arctic imp]

it looks like heretic

[grand jewel]

dump damage

[patent bone]

Tree lighters

[hazy vector]

that's like what, +1 bullet lol/

[vale garden]

3?

2.4 rounded up?

[foggy phoenix]

They should've gone full gladiator with the aesthetic.

[arctic imp]

Are you over there treading lightly?

[patent bone]

I mean it kinda already is

[patent bone]

EVERY DAY!!

[tribal bane]

look, I think it'd be good, IF THE FUCKING BROW OF THE KETTLE WENT LIKE 2 INCHES FURTHER DOWN

I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE MY EYEBROWS

[patent bone]

You don't need to see anyway

[arctic imp]

I think they did that to show the face a bit more. You have all this facial art

[south ice]

any way to fix my guy tossing all his grenades on 1 click

...

[vale garden]

Stop clicking

[patent bone]

Also finally played with Arbites and all the Maul did was complement my character

I've been cheated

[unreal stirrup]

disable guranteed weapon swap

[arctic imp]

he called me a criminal

[south ice]

im clicking once tho haha

[arctic imp]

And laughed when i died

[south ice]

ight

[foggy phoenix]

No no, moreso than usual.

[patent bone]

Same but he also said I was doing a good job

It's.... weird

[vale garden]

Oceania moment

[patent bone]

Type shit

[patent bone]

Want to remove pants for more aesthetic?

[tribal bane]

THE BROW OF THE KETTLE IS HIGHER THAN TREVOR PHILIPS'S HAIRLINE

[arctic imp]

Yeah but look at the art

[patent bone]

Still looks nice

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crazy-twitter-gif-16128297850163090922

Hivescum

[vale garden]

False

[patent bone]

My scummer for no reason

[arctic imp]

Matey?

[fast gust]

I'M SCUMMING

[arctic imp]

Do all of the hive scum call each other matey?

[zinc mirage]

"Reloading your ranged weapon grants +2% ranged damage for 7s. Each 10% of magazine spent during the duration grants +2% additional ranged damage."
Can somebody explain the magazine spent during duration part to me? I'm dumb sorry

[patent bone]

Mucker

[fast gust]

I tried making Gordon Freeman but gave up

[patent bone]

Still nice tho!

[fast gust]

So now you have Scotish Gordon Fentman

[patent bone]

Also is it me or is the Anarchist aussie?

[fast gust]

Yep

[grand jewel]

duration of the first buff

[grand jewel]

so 7s

[tribal bane]

gordan freedman

[lavish parrot]

what are the gangs again except the water cartel

[arctic imp]

The Show 😎

[tribal bane]

show, treadlighties, iron riders

[arctic imp]

cross all that out

[patent bone]

Iron Riders
The Show
Tread Lightlies (Best gang)

[arctic imp]

just the show

[tribal bane]

even the show?

[vale garden]

Tread Lightlies gagang

[arctic imp]

Leave only the show

[night blaze]

The Show, Ironriders, and treadlightlies

[zinc mirage]

oh so for each 10% during the 7 second duration I get plus 2% damage, got it

[patent bone]

TREAD LIGHTLIES FUCK YEAH!!!

Gunslinger gang ftw!!!

[tribal bane]

STIMMS RULE THE FIGHT, YALL GOT NUFFIN

[night blaze]

I like the idea of the Treadlightlies, but I also really like trains so the Ironriders are for me

[arctic imp]

What do you think of the class? I died a lot but found a rhythm

[fast gust]

I don't like trains

[tribal bane]

same

[patent bone]

I died quite a bit too, but I'm getting the hang of it

[tribal bane]

buddy is not the bully ogryn

[night blaze]

Also the Treadlightlies armor has caution paint so I'm double scumming it

[patent bone]

Just need to know where I'm dodging or I'm fucked lol

[warped quiver]

what do the cartel choices even do other than the tattoo (which is the same across all 4 just with a different logo)

[night blaze]

Beat me to it

[fast gust]

The treadlighties tattoo and c olor scheme on the armor is great yes

[patent bone]

Hazard stripes are soooo fucking peak

[lavish parrot]

Sorry mate Water Cartel reigns supreme

[night blaze]

Nothing (I think)

[arctic imp]

I don’t remember arbites being that weak while leveling, is that just me?

[patent bone]

Starting clothes. That's about it

[lavish parrot]

You know what they say, Purple is the colour of Royalty

[random shuttle]

For me Scum reminds me of old Psyker - feels fantastic when you pop-off and then one Mauler from behind ends your career 😄

[fast gust]

FATSHARt however should really remove this icky WATER CARTEL COLORING on the sleeve

[patent bone]

Nah, had to scan your bloody corpses in the torrent

[tribal bane]

you lot got the easiest cosmetics to get

[night blaze]

All of them are unlocked anyway (save for the Penance clothing)

[tribal bane]

least the rest of us gotta actually earn our shit

[safe loom]

So I did my best to make an Escher in the game and I think I did pretty well, but what are the chances we get cosmetics from the Necromunda gangs ?

[patent bone]

I KNOW RIGHT WHAT THE FUCK?!?

[lavish parrot]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
You're jealous

[night blaze]

Loose Cannon is that you?

[patent bone]

I got em all, then sold em

I sold them CHEAP

[tribal bane]

why would I be jealous of anyone mildly close to Zola?

[fast gust]

And probably give it to the water cartel sleeve since off pastel doesn't fit with purple at all

[patent bone]

Imma complain to Fatshark frrl

[lavish parrot]

Zonkla is a very proud member of inquisition

[tribal bane]

yeah, she was also a gutter punk for the water cartel

[arctic imp]

This is a lot of men hive scum

where are the women

[tribal bane]

i am the woman

i am the one femal hivescum

[lavish parrot]

Look how big she grew she gets to shoot people for free now

[warped quiver]

even tho you get all sets anyway

so zero impact really

[modern harness]

i saw a clip where someone 2 shot a crusher using the crow bar and rampage

[patent bone]

As in what you spawn in the game with

[foggy phoenix]

What do drugcrates with the toughness stimm buffs do? Regen toughness or give it to you in a lump sum?

[lavish parrot]

Zero impact in game but you truly fight tooth and nail for cartel you chose on discord

[arctic imp]

Ok but real ones will wear their cartel’s color

[safe loom]

How long till I'm able to get permissions?

[tribal bane]

you get the ability to say you chose that gang

[foggy phoenix]

And, assuming it gives toughness/second, will it outtoughness the arby nuncio aquilas

[arctic imp]

Ohhhh

So

[arctic imp]

The toughness from the stim is specifically coherency regen toughness. It won’t regenerate your toughness like nunico

[tribal bane]

still works a treat better than I thought it would

[drowsy relic]

Tattoo too

To rep the gang

[foggy phoenix]

I thought it'd be another excuse to ask for nuncio buffs.

[arctic imp]

Oh yeah I imagine, if you’re playing support I can see the application

[patent bone]

Someone already said that

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-early-stream-reunion-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-gif-16743551519185436228

[tribal bane]

still gotta work my ass off for the spark mask tho

[patent bone]

It do look nice

[arctic imp]

Oh.. I think I’ll save that for last

[tribal bane]

I'm doin the hard shit first

makes the rest easy peasy

and generally you unlock shit without meaning to

like me with the kettle helmet

[arctic imp]

Water cartel stuff really is the easiest for some reason

[tribal bane]

because Zola

[random shuttle]

Water cartel is the easiest

because it's drip feed of cosmetics

get it?

[tribal bane]

water cartel you get by just progressing in the game, the rest you gotta actually earn

[warped quiver]

born to wear iron warrior colors, forced to hang with the funny jester people

[arctic imp]

I love my green and gold

I cannot complain

[lavish parrot]

PURPLE IS COOL TOO

[patent bone]

Blue is best

[dapper prairie]

is there a list of weapon combos i can refer to

cleaver shivs and crowbar

[patent bone]

And I don't want any Purple on my TREAD LIGHTLIES COSMETIC!!

[arctic imp]

I guess if you have a habit of treading lightly

[random shuttle]

i love tread lightlies lore and theme

[patent bone]

I'm a Treader

I be Treadin

[tribal bane]

we can laugh at the water cartel for one thing

[random shuttle]

Peaky Blinders, Tread Lightliest, Bungalow Bunglers

[tribal bane]

well, ig if they try, they can't get the stupid ass crested helm in pruple

[compact oyster]

Onto vultures mark penances and then ill have the cool chestplate

[tribal bane]

also, to whoever unironically uses the steel skull, what the hell is wrong with your frankenstein looking headass?

[arctic imp]

what did you name your hive scum

[tribal bane]

basher

[random shuttle]

Harrier Du Bois

[arctic imp]

I haven’t seen as many drug names as I thought I would

[lavish parrot]

Fenton Steele

[random shuttle]

Electrochemisty: "Harry, these Stimms. Inject them all. Become one with the Hardcore, Harry."

[rich carbon]

what blessings on twin shredders?

im using pinning fire / blaze away rn but i feel like Run & gun would be pretty peak

[rare grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/hardcore-henry-machine-gun-hardcore-henry-intense-gif-18211302

[tribal bane]

blaze away and whatever the fuck the toughness one's called

inspiring barrage

[rich carbon]

ooh ok

and what does the twin stub pistol want

[tribal bane]

pinning fire and Born in blood

[rich carbon]

awesome

knives?

[tribal bane]

that's what I run anyway

[novel oracle]

blaze away and speedload

if youre running a ranged build

[rich carbon]

what about as a secondary

[novel oracle]

stub pistols want run n gun then either speedload, pinning fire, sustained fire, or desperado

[toxic dagger]

aren't they bugged and dont have functioning reload speed benefits atm?

or was that only on media

[novel oracle]

was fixed on the 27th

[toxic dagger]

nice.

ty

[tribal bane]

yeah, checking, the blessings, i'm swapping pinning fire for speedload, keeping born in blood though

one of the only things keeping me alive

[glossy niche]

Some guy in my lobby was complaining about scum defensive talents being bugged

[dim moth]

oh my god desperado blessing for the desperado ability

[vernal sluice]

I'm a little confused on the wording of the adrenaline frenzy keystone subnodes. If I pick both adrenaline assasin and adrenaline smiter will I get both of their effects or do they cancel one another out?

[toxic dagger]

I recall reading something about how hypercritical procs stop the on-hit/crit/weakspot crit talent from working

if that's the case, then ye pretty bad bug lol

[novel oracle]

if youre using desperado then 100% speedload

[stiff trench]

Go into the meat grinder and find out, but I believe they stack as the other one just stops you from gaining it from “hits”

[novel oracle]

im not joking when i say the reload speed is make or break for the playstyle

for every weapon you use with it

[tribal bane]

I remember someone saying hyper crit and hyper violance don't play well together

[novel oracle]

they dont

[glossy niche]

Hyper git

[willow onyx]

I'm scummy for hive scum so excited to scum out

[calm aurora]

instead of?

[novel oracle]

if hyper crit forces a one shot, the overkill is 0
instantly setting hyper violence to 0

[willow onyx]

Gotta get home first

[calm aurora]

for taxe you use which one?

[novel oracle]

pinning fire, sustained fire, desperado

those are the other options if youre not a ranged build and youre running stubs

[willow onyx]

Also quick question but does the hive scum have any 'heavy' melee weapons? Haven't really looked into them

[echo python]

Chainaxes I guess

Bone saw might be their heaviest in terms of class-unique weapons

[hardy zealot]

[glass spade]

Am I the only one who thinks the dual shivs feel like im using pencils? I'm killing hundreds(if not thousands) of chaos worshippers, trained chaos guardsmen, monsters, and demons with PENCILS. I'm also ripping through a Chaos Ogryn's armor........with a crowbar....

[rotund orchid]

They get the heavy sword :)

That's heavy

[brisk hawk]

Just gotta pop in here real quick, is Vulture's dodge like really op/good or is there something that I'm missing?

[tribal bane]

would this be decent? or are there a couple perks I should swap around?

[novel oracle]

this is what i use for both dual autos and dual stubs
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07920be-dc05-42a0-a2b4-9909bf17087c/what-the-freak-is-an-ammo

[dim moth]

oh my god playtester meta build