hivescum-class

[inner void]

Nah it doesn't heal wounds

[zenith pagoda]

It doesn't fully restore quick

It's just a boost

[iron patrol]

and corruption immunity, you can use it to tank the mist in the twins shart room

[inner void]

Huh. That would be interesting.

Then throw tox at them back. :D

[cunning rain]

How much does a regular concentration stim buff ability cool-down regeneration?

[inner void]

and shrug off Rodin with ranged immunity lel

[iron patrol]

300%, ours kinda sorta middling but its infinite i guess

[random shuttle]

also great against big poxburster wave

[zenith pagoda]

It's a lot faster than our one

Better but can't be regenned

[vale garden]

I feel like the chem grenade talent is so weird

[inner void]

Chem grenades are ridiculously powerful

[uncut niche]

Oh yea big tip btw guys, the double barrel shotgun shreds bosses

[vale garden]

I haven't tested it, but it seems like it makes the non chem blitz the better chem blitz

[iron patrol]

mfs were throwing chem nades at every horde and then dying the second nades ran out

[rare idol]

They seem like immo nades with a cooler graphic

[cunning rain]

Yeah, I knew we wouldn’t be able to make ours as good, and I had no usage of this information planned, I was just curious

[inner void]

They make enemies explode which is fun

[rare idol]

Big thing I noticed with chems is they seem to clear crushers very efficiently

[vale garden]

Chem launcher sounds shit but fun

[ancient basin]

class is fun for sure

[inner void]

They clear everything efficiently, and last ages

[tulip magnet]

How long does it last by default? I assume more than 5s lol

[random shuttle]

20s

[obsidian crown]

So does the boomstick

[inner void]

I couldn't find that either...

[iron patrol]

we can get a flat 52% or 102% after every ranged/melee kill

[simple oyster]

The needle gun is also interesting but bad crit blessings* make it very hard to cleave with it 💔

[rare idol]

how are you building it?

[iron patrol]

20, it said in the patch notes but they forgot to write it ingame

[vale garden]

Lol

[stone knot]

woopsie

[inner void]

Seems a good strategy with lab stimm and the floor pack is to stagger them and use Practiced Deployment

[random shuttle]

Its a fun build btw

[simple oyster]

Imo lingering crate should just make it a bigger AOE for applying the effect because getting your team to touch the tiny crate in a hectic situation is hell

[random shuttle]

make lowest CD stimm, make your Supply Drop a bomb

[last kelp]

im not sure if it was the same with the dual stubs as it was the autos but are blinders supposed to lock you out of ranged for like 3-5 seconds?

[vale garden]

Lingering crate seems very good

[random shuttle]

drop a bomb every few moments

[vale garden]

Since you get the full effect if you only step in it for a moment

[inner void]

Narrow passages I guess, or when everyone is nearby opportunistically

[iron patrol]

can you use the crate without linger and the stimm that gives 50% toughness on the spot to like jiggle in and out of its radius to invoke temporary immortality?

[vale garden]

How is the crate bomb BTW?

[inner void]

Seemed like a no brainer point spend to me

[random shuttle]

Solid, fun

[iron patrol]

straight up a chem nade

[vale garden]

The crate not the nade to be clear

[inner void]

Infinite chem nades? Sold

[vale garden]

I assumed it would be bad

[tulip magnet]

crate bomb + shitty, low cd stimm any good?

[random shuttle]

yeah

[high gull]

@compact oyster Chem dependancy is such a dog ass keystone bro

[random shuttle]

it is

[inner void]

Double sold

[vale garden]

Dog ass good or bad

[high gull]

It's fucking horrible

Literally no reason to ever take it outside of penance farming

[vale garden]

40% perma cd reduction?

[iron patrol]

its a chem nade that detonates after a 5 second delay, you toss it at your feet just before a horde and snipe specials with your cyanide pistol

[stone knot]

I wonder if the shredder could be better than autopistol

[vale garden]

Seems ok

[iron patrol]

its the smyker of hive scum strategies

[stone knot]

or just, the good old infantry autogun

[high gull]

That would be fucking fantastic right....but that doesn't proc if you use your med crate with your stimm unused.

So it eats your stimm

And doesn't give you a stack of dependacy

You have to manually use your stimm to get dependancy

[vale garden]

Thats unintneded

[vast surge]

Hey gang does anyone have a build for the Stimmcrate?

[high gull]

Which then makes the crate useless

[misty thicket]

Why is chem dependency bad, but piety is good on zealot?

[vale garden]

The crate is supposed to give dependency apparently

[inner void]

The crate doesn't work if the stim is on CD?

[iron patrol]

yeah its for berserk really, they also forgot to write ingame that berserk refills your toughness on activation

[woeful trellis]

cuz piety has a useful class ability i think

[high gull]

So here's how chem dependacy should work right....

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1445598234784432269/233C471.MP4?ex=6930edc5&is=692f9c45&hm=8108538eea11b9d325b311693b6e3722246dffc1941b2c6fd56189e3938e05f7&

[vale garden]

You need to use a stim to get dependency

[iron patrol]

but at the same time, adrenaline fucks way too hard

[stone knot]

chem dependancy + desperado/rampage tho

[high gull]

You throw your crate down, it eats your stimm, you gain a stack of dependancy

That doesn't happen

[hasty agate]

Behold

[stone knot]

CDR, Crit, toughness

[high gull]

It eats your stimm and crate use

And you don't gain a stack of dependancy

In order to gain stacks of chemical dependancy

You have to manually use your own stimms

[iron patrol]

do the lingering auras still stack?

[vale garden]

Tbh tho

[iron patrol]

OH WAIT THATS WHY THEY MADE THE THING CONSUME THE STIM

[high gull]

Yes

[iron patrol]

im connecting the dots

[brisk compass]

the first 4 weapons you receive will be like this for some reason, like as mission rewards or whatever

[high gull]

And it's suppose to work in tandem with the keystone

[inner void]

I guess if it's a low CD stim and using Booby Trap you could alternate?

[high gull]

Except it doesnt....

[high gull]

I mean maybe?

[brittle sierra]

You can't

There is a bug with the crate and dependency

[high gull]

But it works counter intuitive to itself.

[random shuttle]

My problem with Dependency is that it should work lovingly with other Ults

but

[inner void]

it's in the tox branch of the tree, so maybe

[random shuttle]

the bonuses are kinda ass

[high gull]

The entire keystone needs to either be reworked or changed.

[random shuttle]

compared to other keystones

[zealous ravine]

my problem with dependency is that every time i notice it exists all my stacks ran out

[inner void]

I'm saying with that method you could proc it in less than 90 seconds and still have a useful crate

[vast surge]

No one’s got any stimmcrate build?

[high gull]

Custom stimms on crate are still a good choice make no mistake, but you're actively wasting talent points going for chem dependancy

[iron patrol]

im just using the cartel stimm as my personal purple stimm on demand

[brittle sierra]

It doesn't matter, you have no way to generate CDR because the crate uses the stimm

[stone knot]

ikr, and jokes aside, having to constantly buff and being aware of the stack is annoying

it's like playing FF14 again

[zealous ravine]

it is very annoying lmao

[inner void]

Practiced Deployment is all the CDR you'd need though

[high gull]

If it wasn't for the 2000s penance I'd switch off of this keystone.

[zealous ravine]

oof

[high gull]

It's so counter intuitive to a chemist build

[iron patrol]

i need to get on that

im still on the adrenaline one

[inner void]

I'll cook something up and see what happens.

[zealous ravine]

already got most of my drip

[iron patrol]

wait, how long does the cartel stimms last? usual 15+5 from left middle talent?

[patent bone]

Here's my blue boi

[high gull]

I cry

[brittle sierra]

That's Stimm CDR can be overlapped with the crate CDR

You can spam the crate without the stimm, it just won't buff you

[vale garden]

Honestly though, stim dependency should be a really good capstone, but all of the Fs already have either a way to extend them or a way of shortening the cooldown built in, so it seems like it won't be that good

[simple oyster]

It has very little effect outside of CDR

[inner void]

I'm talking about alternating crate and stim

[brittle sierra]

When you use the crate it CONSUMEs your stimm

[inner void]

the stim reloading takes the crate off CD right?

[vale garden]

Yeah drop crate, stim comes off cd, drop stim crate

[iron patrol]

berserk can hit infinite if you have enemies to hit, i had 2 minute berserk streaks going off alongside constant adrenaline

[vale garden]

Repeat

[amber sundial]

with the node yes

[tulip magnet]

in the game i just played it didn't seem to...

[vale garden]

Only if you have the node

[novel oracle]

thats how it works

[inner void]

so if it's a 15s stim, you'd get chem nades ~every 30 seconds and stacks of Dependency

[novel oracle]

it consumes your stim to give the crate itseffects

[vale garden]

Wait

Yes ok

[novel oracle]

if only does that if you have a stim ready

[simple oyster]

But tbh it feels like they were careful to not make some aspects of the class super OP on launch which I can appreciate.

[brittle sierra]

Did they fix the dependency buff before launch? 😞

[stone knot]

counter point :

[iron patrol]

you just gotta slam one in every 60 seconds, you can slam 2 and stab yourself with the 3rd

[patent bone]

Such a lovely perk

[brittle sierra]

No they were fuckign dumb for making the right keystone useless

[novel oracle]

not that i recall

[rose flax]

okay wow, the dual stubs are horrendous at low level, not even because of damage but because they have huge spready, why?

[iron patrol]

straight up infinite ammo my beloved

[stone knot]

because it's low level ?

[inner void]

Yeah, or instead of A B B you could A A B at the start of the map to rack up stacks faster

[brittle sierra]

Why didn't they just make dependency a stimm CDR instead of a regular CDR? 💀

[rose flax]

No, why the huge spread? dual autos have even less spread, recoil sin't even an issue just burst fire

[simple oyster]

I mean pickpocket seems fine with the dual autopistols. I can see it being nutty with some cleave builds though, they'll likely adjust it to be worse for those.

[iron patrol]

you do know you dont lose the crate cooldown when you use the stim right? you can A B A B A B actually

[stone knot]

are you using this

[tulip magnet]

using the rocket on a plague ogryn is satisfying af

[simple oyster]

Ergo revolver / double barrel builds.

[iron patrol]

run n gun + sticky hands

[inner void]

Sure. I will try some stuff and see if I can work out a nice pattern

[rose flax]

No

[stone knot]

then

do

[iron patrol]

-60% spread

plus some recoil reduction

[inner void]

What's good about the CDR on the lab stim not mattering is that you can have it set to whatever type of stim you like, such as atk speed or TDR

[heavy trail]

Made a whole new character cause I didn't know Water Cartel rep purple. My favorite color

[vale garden]

Something like this for hsword build Cole?

With a str/crit stim

[patent bone]

You didn't need to make a whole new character, all the cosmetics are available

[iron patrol]

anything but the toughness regen stim, i still cant believe they made a quarter of the tree give fucking coherency regen bonus

[stone knot]

oh boy

[heavy trail]

Not the tattoo

[patent bone]

Why didn't you use the doc?

[heavy trail]

I was repping Iron Riders

[inner void]

Thinking about it, the crate doesn't start CD until it's gone, so surely Fast Acting Stims is a straight-up advantage?

[stone knot]

you could have asked the surgeon

[heavy trail]

Eh

What's done is done

[iron patrol]

yes, that and it lets you use it as a grenade and gives the corruption immunity, if you are dedicated at spamming it you can actually just have perma corruption immunity and corruption cleansing, basically portable zealot aura

[patent bone]

You silly goose

[vale garden]

Ah there's a builds pin

[patent bone]

You goose

That's silly

[tulip magnet]

yeah, and if you want the stim cd trick it's out for 20s so you can't trigger off of 15s stimm otherwise

[inner void]

I'm enjoying the DMC-style dual pistol situation

[simple oyster]

Fast acting stims to make your zealots oneshot bosses even harder

[vale garden]

Its an advantage because you can step in then out and still get 15s of bonus

Much better for buffing

[faint fossil]

hive scum should just overdose mid match from stim abuse and get a heart attack

for the true challenge

[inner void]

so... basically Psyker-splodey?

[vale garden]

Ahhh chem enhanced might make dependency worthwhile

[faint fossil]

yea minust the part which you go down you just die and ragdoll like a mutant

for ultimate funnies

[vale garden]

20% perma crit is stronk

[iron patrol]

making my thammer zealot hit that purple stimm medicart while he stabs himself with a red stimm before he chastises the fuck out of rindas soul

[inner void]

Get pinged into space like a hound

[faint fossil]

exactly

[stone knot]

It's overkill tho

[vale garden]

Fair

[inner void]

head falls off for no reason

[patent bone]

There is no kill like overkill

[stone knot]

that's why the keystone is not great

[faint fossil]

Rocket launcher feels filthy to use

[stone knot]

compared to attack speed / damage on the others

[faint fossil]

5k damage on the back of my ass ready to go

[simple oyster]

Left keystone has 15% crit or so on top of other bonuses too

[iron patrol]

30*, we have 10% base

[faint fossil]

10k up my ass at the press of a button

[vale garden]

I was meaning the bonus but yeah fair

[inner void]

What you do with your rocket launcher is your own business.

[stone knot]

float like a butterfly already gives you 20% for just dodging

[faint fossil]

the 2 shots hit for half of a monstrosity HP

nice burst of damage

[iron patrol]

unfortunately its up our asses so you gotta whip that shit out in 3 to 5 business days

[faint fossil]

still not as busted as krak nades tho

a direct hit with also kill a crusher

[inner void]

Krak nades are zzz though

[faint fossil]

good rocket

[iron patrol]

stim can let you hit for like, 40%

[stone knot]

bazooka takes 2 to 3 business days to pull off, and to throw

[forest willow]

I'll be honest I have 0 clue what the weapon special on stub pistols does besides aura farm but I do it constantly

[faint fossil]

ye it just feels nice to hit

not to use tho

takes too long to pull out my ass

[stone knot]

just a precise shot

[faint fossil]

and stims so far seem to be the most busted option

[stone knot]

for like, snipers far away and shit

[rose flax]

speaking of gun synergy, speed load does not stack correctly(or at all possibly) with speed loader, even though they both stack additively

[forest willow]

I choose to believe my own reality thank you

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/wanted-bullet-curve-procurado-bala-em-curva-gif-15174966468079051273

[stone knot]

does look cool tho

[iron patrol]

i like the balancing decision, you want half of the pogryn gone? better make sure you dodge for the next half hour as you whip the launcher out

[vale garden]

I suppose though the extra crit on the node could let you sub other things out, like using the str stim finesse capstone rather than more crit chance

[inner void]

:o
I hadn't even tried the weapon special. That sounds awesome. I love sharpshooting

[vocal saffron]

Wut does the needle gun do

[faint fossil]

if i was the one spinning the gun i would shoot myself while spinning in my direction cause i messed up the timing

[stone knot]

it needles heretics

big sting

[vale garden]

Dot gun

[iron patrol]

reload bonuses cap at 70%, any further doesnt do anything

[inner void]

Nimble, my beloved

[rare idol]

wtf does this mean?

[faint fossil]

the blind nades seem ok too not been using them tho

the other 2 options seem more fun

[rose flax]

The rocket doesn't take long to equip though, you can shoot before the animation fully is done too

[misty thicket]

40s cd

[rare idol]

uh ok, that doesnt clear up anything

[vale garden]

I think blind nades should be extra good with the chem on blitz perk

[rose flax]

but then how is speed load uptime finishing before I reload the dual stubs for example? That would be 0.66 seconds

[iron patrol]

kill 10 poxwalkers during the ability and you get a 40 second cooldown instead of 45

[obsidian crown]

How much does the cooldown stim lab reduce it by

[random shuttle]

yeah but just use Sticky Hands talent and its all gucci gang

[inner void]

as long as they're highlighted, ofc

[stone knot]

ok hot take maybe but I fail to see a use case for the dual pistols

instead of, anything else really

[inner void]

The small clip stub pistols?

[stone knot]

yeah

[inner void]

I love them tbh

[faint fossil]

kill highlited enemies for quicker spam of your ability since it makes it charge up faster a whooping 5 sec faster

[iron patrol]

52% for 20 seconds so, 20 seconds?

[rare idol]

thats pretty crap tbh

[rose flax]

technicially have infinite range, due to special or low spread(if you take sticky hands + run and gun, 60% less)

[stone knot]

I guess they pierce too

but still

[obsidian crown]

That’s not bad

[inner void]

They're also rapid fire 275 dmg which is really decent

They guzzle ammo though.

[faint fossil]

one day you will face a incredibly niche situation in which those 5 seconds would have saved the game and you will regret these words

[simple oyster]

Dual pistols just makes me want to play funny revolver builds

[inner void]

They're basically something between a rifle and a revolver

[faint fossil]

i was hyped for the dual pistols but what takes me out from enjoying them is the sound design

idk why

i don't like it

feels weak

[simple oyster]

the click spam ruins it for me

[inner void]

This 💯
I can totally agree with you there

[simple oyster]

why can't I hold down the button

[stone knot]

because FS hates your joints

[faint fossil]

yea i feel like they should sound beefier

they lack that punch factor

[simple oyster]

Dual bolt pistols to liquefy your arms when.

[vale garden]

Its sound beef powercreep

[faint fossil]

especially cause they seem fairly bulky

[stone knot]

It's like the laspistol

love the weapon, hate it for my hand

[iron patrol]

i love having a macro specifically set-up to light attack spam, i love not having carpal tunnel syndrome 40 seconds into a flood of poxwalkers

[vale garden]

In a game with a bolter, ofc a 9mm is gonna sound like a baby gun

[faint fossil]

not the same imo this is the only gun i really have a issue with the sound design

the rest of the gun sound amazing

this pair of dual wields tho seem fairly bulky and seem like they pack quite the punch

yet the sound doesn't reflect that

but thats just my opinion

[eternal crag]

so, thoughts on the auto pistols ?

[iron patrol]

what i wanna know is, what the fuck does the quickdraw snubnose revolver fucking fires, that mf cannot be hitting 800's while a modern ass pistol hits 300'

[faint fossil]

ogryn rocks

[south crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/videosinfolder/status/1995372343011500411?t=EMWjpG4YQVtOfuF0HKdH5g&s=19

videos in my folder (@videosinfolder)

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[inner void]

I think they're OK. Clips aren't great

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/sex-pistols-sex-pistols-jojo-mista-jojo-gif-2213674362903705721

[sick notch]

So...thoughts?

[vale garden]

To be fair, that pistol does not look modern

[eternal crag]

same opinion, still messing around with the guns and class

[iron patrol]

the 4 gangers over rinda and karnaks corpses

[eternal crag]

might need to stack reload perks

[vale garden]

Looks like a ww2 gun lol

[eternal crag]

rowkit lawnchair

can we get knocked back by the rockets blast

if not

why not

i need to be able to rocket jump

[amber sundial]

Hive scum too agile, dodges the explosion blast

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-jump-tf2-team-fortress2-gif-19403863

[iron patrol]

yeah tbf .367 magnum fucks harder than 9mm

[eternal crag]

sad

[simple oyster]

Hive.. bum

[faint fossil]

So like

what are they exactly paying hive scum with

[iron patrol]

i need the rocket launcer to just be a barrel explosion, complete with teammate and self propelling charasteristics

[faint fossil]

like the other characters can't leave

but what are they giving the gangers to keep them there

[iron patrol]

they petitioned the conclave

[eternal crag]

money

[faint fossil]

cocaine?

[eternal crag]

street cred

cool guns

the ability to a good fight

[faint fossil]

im sure hadron is just giving them trash she finds around her work area

[eternal crag]

who cares ifit blows up in their hads

[iron patrol]

you get to work with the inquisition, get access to hadron, get to benefit from imperial supply lines

[inner void]

Is there any way to stop the stim making my screen really blurry?

[eternal crag]

as long as they take a few heretics in the blast

[sharp dune]

Did you guys know the rocket launcher has backdrafr and knocks enemeis behind you

[faint fossil]

yea don't do drugs

[iron patrol]

plus they do live down there, one way or the other the fucking heretics needs to be dealt with

[inner void]

Get outta here you teetotaler

[eternal crag]

ill use the launcher when it lets me fly

[thorny ginkgo]

stability is the dump stat for needle pistol??

[eternal crag]

simpla as

[iron patrol]

close your eyes and keep clicking m1 while spamming spacebar

[eternal crag]

if mobility isnt there, yee

[inner void]

Space bar?

Jump?

[patent bone]

Doge

[thorny ginkgo]

oh so mobility should be the dump

[thorn onyx]

How do you get the stim penances anyway

[iron patrol]

it doesnt really have recoil, plus we do get 10% recoil reduction in talents

[eternal crag]

always

[thorny ginkgo]

ok thanks

[faint fossil]

it was very funny today hearing the male outlaw hive scum ask the rest of the team if they want to get anything smuggled and one of the vets asked if he can smugle him out of the warband and gets very sad when the ganger says no

[iron patrol]

is this a "haha controller" joke or are you actually too young to know its called a spacebar

[thorny ginkgo]

ayee third try

[vast aspen]

I haven't made it far in the tree, but is rampage any good?

[inner void]

Ohh, the default bind for space is dodge, isn't it. I have that on a mouse side button. That's why. Space is jump for me.

[novel quest]

anyone else having problems with how squooshy this class is?

[thorny ginkgo]

its amazing

[eternal crag]

not my ass dropping 500k to get a set of autopistols

[novel quest]

really fucking good

[inner void]

I was like... why jump??

[faint fossil]

very good

[vast aspen]

SAY LESS

[tribal hatch]

whats the word on bonesaw? I want to like it but it's slow and sticks on stuff

[drifting heron]

Its 75% melee power
It blows martyrdom out of the water

[real zodiac]

Can someone please tell me which ability between desperado, rampage and stimm supply has the voice line “I’m a giver, you lot look like takers!”? I’m not sure if I’m just unlucky but I haven’t heard my character say that specific line yet

[eternal crag]

but it still being a 78/62

[near mauve]

sow hat are we putting on shivs
uncanny and ?

[faint fossil]

melee hive scum in general seems insane

[near mauve]

one of the funny bleed talents?

[vast aspen]

WE HOTLINE MIAMING THESE HERETICS WOOOO

[novel quest]

it's great, amazing single target. you need to utilize pushes and the cleave perk for rampage to get the most out of horde clearing

[iron patrol]

stability is dump, you want the mobility as you micheal jackson slide away from the rager in your face

[faint fossil]

shhhh don't say this zealot players will go and put the game on mixed reviews till they get a zealot buff

[novel quest]

the biggest problem bonesaw has is cleave

so try working on that

[drifting heron]

They can suck it they're immortal

[novel quest]

there's perks to help it out

[eternal crag]

rager enters the field

[thorny ginkgo]

is rampage better with adrenaline frenzy or chemical dependency? im rocking crowbar and needle pistol

[eternal crag]

180 degree spin and moon walk away

[zenith fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1443681760029442170/sugarcoat.gif

[barren pebble]

have people already had the shiv mk discussion

[thorny ginkgo]

damn i gotta try again

[barren pebble]

i could just play with them but the mk 3s with uncanny seem really good

[vast surge]

Thank you!

[eternal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-roberto-stabbing-billy-west-philip-j-fry-gif-4051060

[random shuttle]

for this to work

[iron patrol]

adrenaline berserk with max bottom left and top right stimm fucking shreds anything that exists in your peripheral vision

[random shuttle]

you need a stim with lowest cooldown

and then just spam drop your ult

[thorny ginkgo]

is rampage better with adrenaline frenzy or chemical dependency? im rocking crowbar and needle pistol

[vast aspen]

That was my planned stim route also, this is fantastic news

Yippee!

[iron patrol]

how long does the tox field last again?

[sharp dune]

Ahhhh is that Rykards bomb build?

[random shuttle]

Err no clue?

Its just... drop your Box every 20~s, make it go boom, repeat 😄

[sharp dune]

It’s exactly what you are doing rn, he has it on his YouTube, been meaning to try it out once I hit 30

[thorny ginkgo]

can someone answer pls

[random shuttle]

I guess wasn't exactly unique to figure that idea out 😄

[steep vale]

what do i want on the duel pistols

[warped laurel]

me watching all y'all play with hs:

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

[iron patrol]

adrenaline, it feeds into itself with faster attack speed to sustain it beyond the efficiency fall-off

[sharp dune]

Depends entirely on if you are investing into stimms

[thorny ginkgo]

ty

[thorny ginkgo]

nah not really its just strength

[iron patrol]

although something like tac axe/shivs are so much better for it

[bronze glade]

Also dependency kinda sucks

[blissful gull]

in havoc, how important is picking cleave talents if you're using shivs?

[iron patrol]

none really, the other mark of the shivs has a cleave heavy but the horde strat for shivs is light spam at mach fuck

[ancient basin]

yeah

[iron patrol]

rampage adrenaline kinda solves the problem of no cleave by just attacking faster

[pale rain]

Still can't post pictures.... Gay.

Oh shit! Just enabled

[iron patrol]

nate is that you watching

[full jasper]

Met another fella today (I'm Geanne Steeler)

[north plank]

siblings

[limber cradle]

I have finally rolled 60 mobility auto pistols

[full jasper]

We know eachother's grand-patriarchs

[cunning warren]

can i apply two dots at the same time with a melee?

[iron patrol]

now roll again cause the dump stat is ammo

[barren pebble]

lol

[thorny ginkgo]

needle pistol is CRACKED

[limber cradle]

I would if their reload wasn't so god awfully buggy

[thorny ginkgo]

i wonder if mk3 is good for the needle

[limber cradle]

Once that gets fixed I'll care more

[barren pebble]

i wish i could play more tonight but alas i am busy

[simple oyster]

Isn't needle just revolver but more steps.

[barren pebble]

massive dot that ignores armor lol

[simple oyster]

Yeah but revolver just blows through armor like it's nothing too.

[sharp dune]

Plus it’s pretty good at hordes unlike revolver

With its alternative fire

[thorny ginkgo]

im oneshotting a lot of things with crowbar

[high gull]

Bro I feel like I'm actively griefing my team trying to get this wack ass chem dependancy penance

It forces you to play in a way that's the antithesis of chemist

[elder needle]

does it though?

[high gull]

You basically have to fight your teammates to get toxin kills to keep the constant cdr on your stimms

If they don't die from toxin, you don't get your cdr

[novel quest]

how do I make this class... not squishy

I die way too fast

especially with rampage exhaust

[high gull]

Which means your chem depenacy is counting down

[drifting heron]

Thats the funny part

You don't

[high gull]

It's a glass cannon class buddy

[amber sundial]

Best you can do is grab the whole like… 3 dmg reduction nodes

[low finch]

where's the cannon part

[torpid marsh]

blow cooldowns and then play like a bitch

[novel quest]

where's the cannon

[high gull]

In the build you make.

[full jasper]

i think it's a blitz

[high gull]

If you aren't shitting dmg that's just you having a shit build.

[drifting heron]

The 75% melee power or the infinite ammo

Pick one

[novel quest]

yea I guess I am just lvl17

[low finch]

how the FUCK am i going to kill 8 rotten armor crushers with this fella

[novel quest]

hopefully it gets better

[novel quest]

you've got bonesaw

[full jasper]

yeah here's the cannon

[random shuttle]

needle them

[amber sundial]

Leveling just sucks is all

[low finch]

yeah i guess they die eventually

[novel quest]

it really does

[thorny ginkgo]

rampage is more fun

[drifting heron]

Any of their exclusives with the nuclear buff of Rampage

[novel quest]

it's the one thing I hate about this game

[thorny ginkgo]

just my opinion

[novel quest]

it's why I quit zealot lmfao

[versed spruce]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lD61ifBi2REEDh18o?invite=cr-MSxHS0ksNDA1NDMwNDgz

[thorny ginkgo]

zealot just feels left behind

[low finch]

but seriously if i'm pigeon holed into just dropping boxes and shooting little needle darts in havoc i'm done

[novel quest]

I've been using the dual stub pistols

they're

really good

like really really good

[stone knot]

outplayed

[simple oyster]

Welcome back crit builds.

[full jasper]

are they?

[amber sundial]

I feel like immo nade needs a slight buff now that chem nade exists

[vale garden]

I do wonder if i should have gone for ScummyWummyUwU but that might have been too cursed even for me

[full jasper]

The SMG feels really weak

[novel quest]

yeah, I've been really enjoying them

[full jasper]

like you need to dump entire mags to do anything and the reload is a pain in the ass

[novel quest]

they make quick work of enemies at all ranges so long as you have some skill

[simple oyster]

I'll probably roll for a good double barrel to do cleave memes because they seem better at it than zealot or vet with all the cdr & reload speed

[novel quest]

like the trick shot special can one shot snipers

[full jasper]

Wrong chat big man

[drifting heron]

Vet is best with dbarrel almost uncontestably

But you can get good with it

[versed spruce]

HE TOOK A WRONG TURN INTO THE HOOD JUMP HIM

https://tenor.com/view/kunleinho-kunleinhogifs-family-guy-beating-assault-gif-20722188

[broken moss]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-19055033

[main wagon]

Inb4 zealot soulblaze

[broken moss]

exactly where i need to be

[versed spruce]

Yes Mr. Chud Marine I am sorry Mr. Chud Marine

[broken moss]

settin u scumbags straight

[vale garden]

This is scumbags crookedville soz

[broken moss]

must maintain order

[novel quest]

this the HIVE SCUM CHAT!!! betta take yo Imperium-loving ass back to #arbites-class

[hardy spruce]

hi fellow scum does anyone else see faces

[rose flax]

Does the cork screw shives have a weird delay between light and light 2 for anyone else?

[amber sundial]

Someone laced yo stims

[hardy spruce]

like transparent faces of other scum players on your team

or is it just me?

[full jasper]

no i'm faceblind from all the stims

[amber sundial]

I’m telling ya the stims are laced

[sharp dune]

LMFAO

[misty thicket]

zealot is significantly tankier than whatever hive scum

[full jasper]

Holy shit bro injected nurgle's rot

[sharp dune]

LIVE SCUM REACTION

[hardy spruce]

I've had that happen at least 10 times today

[full jasper]

maybe update your graphics drivers

[uncut niche]

RUN HIS SHIT

[sharp dune]

This is the most broken update in terms of server issues I swear to god

I’ve never had so many lag spikes and performance problems

[sharp dune]

That takes the cake though cause what the fuck could be causing that Omnisaiah help him

[trim wind]

i've seen it too, it's like fight club where tyler durden flashes in frame at the beginning

[hardy spruce]

thank god

[novel quest]

SOMEONE LACED THIS MAN'S STIMS WITH THE SLAANTANYL WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKERS DID THIS

[main wagon]

I’m sorry, I fed Cica battery acid again

[amber sundial]

yo chat which blue final node should I use for stim crate, the 10% dodge stuff or the stun / suppression immunity

[main wagon]

It just really shaAakes things up, ya know

[pale rain]

Still need to adjust the helmet. But, pretty much done.

[main wagon]

So hype for when I get the Vulture’s top

[novel quest]

I can really feel this bonesaw build coming together

[main wagon]

That’s how I felt with my autopistols before I left for work

[novel quest]

I just need lvl4 blessings and full mastery for the forge-livery

[main wagon]

This is the God Emperor’s longest shift

[novel quest]

and also some cleave and power perks

[main wagon]

I need to max my scum so I can just mass sacrifice crowbars

I only have a couple mil so I’m not trying to spend it just buying 100 power garbage to level it lmao

[devout bison]

What do we think about dump stat on shivs? Still mobility? We do have the option to focus on speed.

[elder needle]

why are people queuing for missions they cant complete?

[placid prairie]

man, people really aren't built for these streets, huh </3

[main wagon]

Quickplay + being absolutely shit

To be fair to at least some of the new scum and Arbites

We apparently have 25k returning players

[rare idol]

yep "literally dont have cooldown on desperado" is the way to go

horry fuck

[main wagon]

Which means a lot of “out of practice” rejects

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[devout bison]

how is that achieved?

[rare idol]

take anything that promises cdr

take the stim that gives cdr

take curios that give cdr

[near mauve]

bro the dodge distance on this class is so fucking goofy i keep ledging myself lmaooo

[rare idol]

real

[main wagon]

ME FLYING DOWN STAIRS LIKE JOHN WICK

https://tenor.com/view/john-wick-4-fall-stairs-gif-10023029565514394388

[rare idol]

this is also goated

[main wagon]

Single slide legit sends you airborne

[rare idol]

the dual klobb is absolutely bananas for killing everything

[near mauve]

funiest shit ever

[bronze glade]

love how it's just a better version of the vet talent

[rare idol]

voc be existin tho

[bronze glade]

well VOC is an ult

[simple oyster]

Voice of stim when

[rare idol]

this pocket sand ass mf is absolutely clutch as a mfer

i love it

i love it so much

bulwarks? nah

[bronze glade]

vet talent lol

[rare idol]

reaper? nah off

mauler about to do his thing? pocket sand bitch

[unkempt niche]

Only thing I want for the class in the future is duel axes so I can cosplay as a rager

[limber cradle]

got it

[rare idol]

LMAO

no mob is definitely the dump

[near mauve]

why would anyone dump ammo

on a GUN

[limber cradle]

keeping both

[rare idol]

hes fucking with you

[stiff vale]

How do I do the enhanced penance?

[limber cradle]

tbh i can logically see it

[rare idol]

you want the ammo

[limber cradle]

its a class with infinite ammo

[novel quest]

when I saw this ability I thought of that one meme with the guy having a sword duel and then pulling out his emergency "pocket sand and his hidden pistol" combo

[near mauve]

no because collat exists

[rare idol]

the ammo modifier bumps your clip size

[near mauve]

even if the class has infinite ammo

[rare idol]

you need mega huge clip size

[limber cradle]

i bought 3 more pairs and got it, its not like i was throwing dockets down the drain ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber cradle]

ik

[rare idol]

i spent like 2m buying the shiv and gun i wanted 😂

[novel quest]

I got a 60 mobility bone saw on my first try as a level 15

[rare idol]

i was legit convinced fatshark had pinned mobility to 80

[novel quest]

I was laughing

[versed spruce]

Didn't you mention this like 6 hours ago

[hardy spruce]

I've been seeing them all this time yes

[limber cradle]

sometimes brunt likes me, i got a 60 mobi crowbar, bonesaw, and tac axe, now im gonna roll shivs

[charred bronze]

how's the needle pistol so far?

[versed spruce]

Bro STILL affected by that laced gas station stim 💔

[hardy spruce]

At least 3-4 a game

[random shuttle]

Damn

[novel quest]

I need to buy a lottery ticket honestly

[random shuttle]

I do love all the new unique weapons no cap

[versed spruce]

Do the shivs get a lot better when you're higher level?

They seem really underwhelming rn

[hardy spruce]

yes

they're ass at low lvl

a lot of weapons are tbh

[versed spruce]

Yeah

[hardy spruce]

scum is the worst class to level by far

[rare idol]

use the special its goated

[versed spruce]

Low level is balanced around you not having talents

Which is so boring

And yeah scum fucking sucks low level LMAO

[hardy spruce]

you can't kill anything on uprising with uh

20 rating shivs

[rare idol]

i had no trouble clearing everything 🤷‍♀️

[hardy spruce]

takes up to like 5 hits

[versed spruce]

It's not trouble, it's snooze gameplay

[ruby kelp]

i was 2-3 shotting everything on uprising that was a mob

[elder needle]

if anything, if you progress fast enough you hit a point where you dont get access to keystone defensives

before you catch up with levels

[ruby kelp]

the only time it took 5 was when i was hitting the body of the mob

[elder needle]

unless you just play desperado all the time i guess

[hardy spruce]

not enough enemies to proc desperado

dun

[elder needle]

so you can ignore all ranged

[hardy spruce]

fun

[rare idol]

desperadoooooooo

[random shuttle]

Heres my dude in his Chem-build - Walter Off-White

[rare idol]

you need to be like 20 to get the vulture keystone that lets you ignore attacks

i got to damn at like 15

[versed spruce]

The CDR stim is a suggestion until you get the last upgrade for it

[rare idol]

CDR stim with +25% cdr is doing it for me

[versed spruce]

At least it's not as bad as the toughness portion of the stimm lab

[broken moss]

imma make one and name it whordon freeman

[limber cradle]

I really like top right into strength+crit

[random shuttle]

Gordon Fentman

[limber cradle]

Someone posted uh

[hardy spruce]

you can't say fent

[hardy spruce]

in darktide

fyi

[limber cradle]

This guy earlier

[hardy spruce]

What the fuck

How did he...

My fent inspired scum name got filtered

[woeful trellis]

yours was too offent-sive

[trim wind]

a bunch of em are banned, a friend couldn't use sudafed

[random shuttle]

"The Dark side of the Fent offers a path to many abilities some consider unnatural"

[mint fable]

What is Cartel Special? Is that the Stimm Lab mechanic?

[trim wind]

anarchist weirdly was flagged too

[lavish parrot]

Truly a face only a mother could love

[high gull]

Yes

[hardy spruce]

I tried naming my bounty hunter Scumgo Fent but it wouldn't let me

I thought it was the scum portion at first

[mint fable]

Ok

[limber cradle]

I can't use the name "Sieglinde" and I have no idea why that name triggers it tbh

[lavish parrot]

Wait we can't have Fent as part of the name?

oh wait I think I get it

[hallow osprey]

My guy is named after a slang term for shitty American tanks that caught fire a lot

[hardy spruce]

I'm assuming not

[limber cradle]

Well, Jeffery-Fentstein exists so

[lavish parrot]

There is going to be so many fent based names ain't it?

[hardy spruce]

https://youtube.com/shorts/n0fvtI_B9o4?si=bLMo2HzcVeNjPqqh

[limber cradle]

It's the most like, basic joke next to a Gordon Freeman joke tbh

[hardy spruce]

excuse the usage of

youtube shorts

[random shuttle]

By day, Al Norm was just an accountant.
By night, he is known as Ratfucker Murderdozer, the king of the Sumps.

[hardy spruce]

but I had to

[limber cradle]

Fair ig, I was using it cause of a dark souls character

[hardy spruce]

Can't use ratfucker

[limber cradle]

Sieglinde of Catarina

[hardy spruce]

Tried naming my zealot that...

[lavish parrot]

It's the most basic but I am going to lie if I say I am not going to do it too

[limber cradle]

I named my dude Jacket

[hallow osprey]

Gorgeous Fentman

[lavish parrot]

It's the low hanging fruit but it is tasty

[limber cradle]

I saw Hivesenberg earlier

That was a decent enough pun imo

Tbh Scum names are at least funnier then Arb names

[lavish parrot]

Also thank god fatshark for letting me pick Water Cartel

[near mauve]

rampage is literally zealot 2 plus pro max giga edition

[random shuttle]

Good name is Criminy

[lavish parrot]

I LOVE PURPLE RAHHHHHH

[limber cradle]

Gang gang, good taste

[novel quest]

I chose water cartel too

[near mauve]

nothign will beat my name

CrankShaftMcHoggin

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-realise-you-were-chill-like-that-gif-26343427

[lavish parrot]

Yeah at least it's not judge dredd #4156

My arby's just named Harrier du Bois

[uncut sphinx]

Best name ive seen is Vyvyan, impeccable reference

[limber cradle]

"Judge dredd 900" "robocop" "tasteless police brutality joke"

[near mauve]

vyvanse?

[limber cradle]

My arby is named Artorias

[random shuttle]

Ha

[uncut sphinx]

Its a reference to the young ones

[random shuttle]

I am the OG so my Arby babe is called

Barbaretta

😏

[lavish parrot]

Now it's time to decide what flair of psychopath I want my scum

[vast surge]

The drip for this class is top tier

[novel quest]

I chose anarchist

[lavish parrot]

Honestly I wanna choose between anarchist and outlaw since my scum was a carnaval resident and held a bar

[light sleet]

does this ability gives stimm buffs after someone leaves area?

[novel quest]

be ready to die like 500,000 times before you hit lvl30 btw

[limber cradle]

I agree, 10/10 aesthetic

[novel quest]

an unbuilt scum is SOOOO Squishy

[mortal meadow]

Does "GASSTATIONTWEAKER" fit your taste a bit better?

[vast surge]

It’s been a rough change of pace from my typical Ogryn gameplay lol

[lavish parrot]

I played psyker I am used to it

[main wagon]

Similar to Dark Souls 2 censoring Black K***ht

[lavish parrot]

I played veteran twice I am used to it

[mortal meadow]

YEAH PSYKER MAINS ARE JUST SALIVATING AT HIVE SCUM LIKE JESUS

[novel quest]

specially without the stuff for toughness and gunner resist curios

[vast surge]

I named my hive scum “Cadaver”

[naive imp]

veteran and psyker are tougher than both

[mortal meadow]

VETERAN MAINS HAVE ALREADY GONE EXTINCT

[placid prairie]

trying out the crowbar, not sure I like how it handles crowd control

[mortal meadow]

i knew ONE veteran main, he did not take the game seriously

[random shuttle]

Again?

[main wagon]

Survivalist? Nah son, pickpocket

[random shuttle]

Damn

[limber cradle]

Not particularly but I prefer it to the police brutality jokes tbh

[placid prairie]

it's got those strikes downs on the blunt side that I don't like

[random shuttle]

they go exctinc every update!

[plain orchid]

I don't know if it's just unlucky but my outlaw hasn't really said all that much which is disappointing because I like the voice

[vale garden]

IKeepScumblingDown

[rose flax]

I saw someone called "HivesCum"

[vast surge]

I’ve seen them too

[mortal meadow]

I DID TOO

[rose flax]

Lol

[limber cradle]

Hey, are any of you big into DTs lore perchance? Got a question about the water cartel

[mortal meadow]

WSG.

[placid prairie]

I may be able to answer it

[vale garden]

ScumbleInTheJungle

[brittle sierra]

look at the subnote to the right

[limber cradle]

Wanna know what significance the number 890 has to the water cartel, it's on a bunch of their gear

[novel quest]

I'm not building with Pickpocket in mind with the presumption that that shit is gonna get nerfed, and any builds exploiting it will be way less effective

[vale garden]

Probably a hab number?

[placid prairie]

I wouldn't know unfortunately, but I'd assume it's maybe the hab zone number

[mortal meadow]

yeah its their hab number

[vale garden]

Or floor

[limber cradle]

Cool, thank you thank you

[mortal meadow]

👍

[novel quest]

I'm going for bonesaw rampage

[brittle sierra]

I doubt it, because range focus builds dont scale well into havoc

[novel quest]

yeahh true

[mortal meadow]

ive seen tons of good range focused builds go into havoc and do okay

[novel quest]

do yall think this class will get nerfed?

[mortal meadow]

you have to build them to be literally perfect

[novel quest]

cuz they seem pretty balanced

[mortal meadow]

10000000%.

[limber cradle]

At least parts of it

[brittle sierra]

that's fine but what do you do into mixed hordes?

[broken bear]

ok is the cosmetic upgrade diff rfom the deluxe

cuz wtf

[undone arch]

Dump stat for crowbar enjoyers?

[brittle sierra]

none of the new range weapons are insane on scum either

[novel quest]

I've heard fatshark rebalances based off of pickrate

[mortal meadow]

depends on what i can do but i usually like staying either in the far back or on the side

[brittle sierra]

what havoc rank?

[mortal meadow]

40

[light sleet]

just tested it

wasnt sure

[charred bronze]

thoughts on dumping collateral vs mobility on the dual auto pistols?

[novel quest]

mobility

[rose flax]

I mean I think the only nerf it should get is, it only working in close range hence the pickpocket name

[novel quest]

always mobility on hivescum

[light sleet]

but does this affect Stimm Supply ability?

[novel quest]

they get enough

[tight hinge]

counting money in the day,
counting bodies in the night

[mortal meadow]

i am intrigued to see how well hive scum goes into h40 though

[novel quest]

same

I don't play havoc but I'm curious

[mortal meadow]

i'll test it out, my idea is that its going to be literally broken

cause really all h40 is is just panic management

[idle ore]

Why?

[limber cradle]

Apparently the water cartel do not reside in hab 890, cause the torrent is in 18-66

But they do have 890 on their flags

[idle ore]

Think reginald said this class is pretty hard to play in 40

[hardy spruce]

they got 890 cause 67 was alr taken

[mortal meadow]

practically infinite ammo, crazy weapons, and high mobil

[limber cradle]

Its not even practically tbh

[mortal meadow]

you're right

IT IS

[brittle sierra]

once the dependency bug is fixed, it will probably be crate spaming for the infinite tox dot cleave

[mortal meadow]

dependency bug?

[tender marten]

dependancy only dropping one stack at a time is kinda insane

[brisk halo]

Cheeky

[limber cradle]

Also, I think every part of the tree is pretty good barring bugs? Like there's no Arb TW where you're gonna never use it cause it's conceptually trash.

[novel quest]

I tweaked out when I saw that

[brittle sierra]

if you use the crate it consumes the stim, but it does not give you a stack of dependency

[mortal meadow]

oh man

[brisk halo]

I saw that, and I actually chuckled out loud fatsharks funny

[mortal meadow]

obesefish is edging us for their next class

[ripe seal]

ah, I was just about to ask if consuming yout stim charge because you used the crate was intended or not

[brittle sierra]

the idea is basically this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[limber cradle]

I really hope it's anything from the admech but skitarii tbh

[mortal meadow]

PFSH-

[ripe seal]

so using the crate while you stim is on cooldown still applies the effect of the stim, right?

[random shuttle]

Next class

is obviously Hive Ganger's Mom

[limber cradle]

Skitarii are like, the most boring choice in the face of cult mech stuff imo

[hardy spruce]

no

that would be broken

[plain orchid]

Gimme the kroot

[ripe seal]

ok very good to know

[plain orchid]

I wanna eat enemies

[versed spruce]

The bastards

[brittle sierra]

you get as much cdr as possible from both dependency and the stim to spam this:

[plain orchid]

Heh booby

[novel quest]

what blitz should I run?

[random shuttle]

Any you like

[hardy spruce]

they're all good

[plain orchid]

All good

[novel quest]

I do like the chem nade but also I can spread toxin with my bone saw

so I'm thinking about the stagger nades

[high gull]

Yeah but why the fuck would you run dependancy

[mortal meadow]

the first one is really good for hordestagger

[plain orchid]

rocket

[high gull]

Like willingly

[brittle sierra]

because fatshark cucked me

[mortal meadow]

2nd one is pretty okay

3rd one is just a meme

[fluid yarrow]

Is cleaver bad or am I bad

[mortal meadow]

you are bad

NEEEEEEEEEEEXT

[fluid yarrow]

Because the crowbar and knives felt fine

Cleaver so slow:(

[plain orchid]

I dislike the knifes personally

[novel quest]

the bone saw?

[fluid yarrow]

Mhm

[novel quest]

the bone saw is great

it's best with rampage and full sending your stim into strength

and some cleave perks

[outer estuary]

With the 3 unique melee options how would they rank between another?

[stuck bobcat]

Are there any good blessings on crowbar?

[mortal meadow]

i'm the weird one but i like all of them other than the needle pistol, needle pistol aesthetically is just eugh

[novel quest]

for me:

1. bone saw
2. shivs
3. crowbar

I really don't like the crowbar😭😭

[random shuttle]

Can Opener opportunist 😄

my choice

[oblique basin]

Thoughts on rampage?

[tender marten]

copener and superiority are p. alright

[novel quest]

goated

[plain orchid]

I like the crowbar special mode not so much the normal mode

[tender marten]

i feel like you absolutely gotta run the shout on it

[novel quest]

the normal mode just doesn't do the damage for me to care

[outer estuary]

All I’ve used so far is shivs and not a big fan but that might just be cause it’s 210 or something like that. Need to try something different tomorrow since a lot of the time I feel like I’m only getting kills with heavy attacks

[hazy glade]

To do the mission where you keep the chemical dependency at max for 1000s, do you have to use normal stims? Or can you use the custom one?

[plain orchid]

Yep

[tender marten]

either

[hardy spruce]

this class is terrible when levelling

[hazy glade]

Really? I tried doing it but it wouldn't sum up the time

[novel quest]

I saw a build with like max speed rampage crowbar and that's great but like... I'd rather just quadruple my bone saw speed, get the cleave on it, and just play DoTtide

[plain orchid]

Go low CD stim and spam the hell out of it

[tight hinge]

can scum dodge through enemies like kerilian?

[high gull]

@near vapor Full gold on Show gear

[rich carbon]

so hows the hivescum

[plain orchid]

If crowbar got a tiny light attack damage buff it'd be more usable

[tight hinge]

mad gladiator

[plain orchid]

Is fun

[high gull]

It's def not a new player friendly class.

[rich carbon]

makes sense

[hasty agate]

Best Hive scum name I’ve seen so far

Straight-Up-Zooted

[fluid yarrow]

That’s what I’m doing
Idk feels really sluggish

[high gull]

I can say that much, you gotta have some semblance of game mechanics to do well with the class.

[outer estuary]

Kami-Crazy-War-Boy for mine

[plain orchid]

Kinda plays like a mega squishy dodge crackhead zealot

[rich carbon]

i mean im not amazing but im used to heresy / damnation and have been playing since beta, should I be good for hivescum?

[abstract temple]

that is basically me and im doing good on heresy while leveling

[high gull]

I can't speak for others.

It is a fun class that can shit out tons of dmg.

[hardy spruce]

if you remember what your dodge keybind is you're good enough for hscum

[high gull]

But a misplay can have you kissing the ground

[novel quest]

yea hivescum is VERY squishy

[zealous basin]

hello friendly reminder that reload speed bonuses on dual autopistols are bugged I have been saying this for like 10+ hours like a mad person

[plain orchid]

Going from ogryn to scum hurts

[novel quest]

and can be a little squishy at best if you go out of your way to give it survivability

honestly tho just stack gunner resist curios and you'll be fiiiine

gunners are the biggest problem for hivescum

[abstract temple]

what are people building on their stimms? im not really feeling much of an impact from the toughness ones

[hardy spruce]

starting to play with no talents no curios no gunner res is fun

[zealous basin]

cdr stim on them is awesome btw and makes them sustainable as hell

[hazy glade]

Do you have to like keep it way up? I went with a strength 4 stim and kinda edged the 4 stacks of depen, but it didn't count the time for some reason

[hardy spruce]

full cd+ desperado

[plain orchid]

All cool down cause funny

[fluid yarrow]

I was kinda hoping they’d be a bit more about taking damage

Since they described them as a bruiser I was thinking something kinda like kingpin from payday 2 almost

But I like what I’ve got now

[broken bear]

oh the pants fuck

[fluid yarrow]

Shifty bastard

[ruby kelp]

Playing scum after any class feels really weird and off lol

[zealous basin]

low cd cd is also pr good

[ruby kelp]

I've fucked up more than i care to sdmit getting used to it

[fluid yarrow]

I’m really tired so I keep fucking up lol

[stark stone]

Does anybody have a good anti-heavy/anti-boss fallback for Hivescum?

Crowbar ain't doing it for the build I'm using even with can-opener.

[zealous basin]

bring saw

[hardy spruce]

full cd stim gives you 25s downtime on desperado

[abstract temple]

it's definitely harder than my experience leveling arb lmao

[plain orchid]

The saw

[stark stone]

I'm level 10 so I lack it atm

[zealous basin]

Im leveling rn

[novel quest]

bone saw

[ruby kelp]

Arb was like a walking nuke day 1

[plain orchid]

Use knives until saw

[zealous basin]

tox nades

[stark stone]

Also it is just me, or is the crowbar kinda underwhelming at best?

[plain orchid]

Yes it is underwhelming

I am not whelmed

[novel quest]

"I can't hit my anti-heavy unit kills!"

600 BONE SAW HEAVY ATTACKS.

[stark stone]

Like the autopistols I love ngl

[abstract temple]

the stagger is nice with the specials but it's so slow

[fallen palm]

Maxed out rending on staggered enemies makes a huge difference on the crowbar

[plain orchid]

I just use revolver on my scum

[ruby kelp]

The class feels like it wants to be a horde clear glass cannon to me atm

[plain orchid]

I love my baby too much

[stark stone]

My only complaint with twin autopistols atm is well... it needs more basekit ammo

I love it though

[novel quest]

use the dual stub pistols, they're too good to ignore

they're suuuper flashy

[abstract temple]

the chem grenades popping walkers like balloons does not get old

[plain orchid]

Using the special on controller is a nightmare

[novel quest]

I love the trickshot special so I can snipe snipers

[unkempt salmon]

PSA to anyone who tries power-leveling Masteries with bulk Brunt-buying and mass Hadron-sacrficing, at least on Xbox: it causes severe instability, I'm talking standing still, blurring, teleporting, the works, even when attempting to load matches. It doesn't go away until full game restart

Never had that issue during the Arbites update

[ruby kelp]

I love it, just need to figure out the anti heavy stuff now

[fallen palm]

Not that bad, been playing on controller for 10 years though

[novel quest]

same

I'm used to it but can see why it'd be hard

[plain orchid]

Idk maybe is just skill issue

[elder needle]

uh

chem dependency does not interact with stimm supply?

[high gull]

There's nodes for this

Also the infinite ammo node

[surreal surge]

Is the bonesaw complete buns or am I just bad

[candid flare]

Ur bad

Idk I haven't used it yet

[broken moss]

from what ive heard it sounds kinda bad

[candid flare]

Don't listen to me

[fiery palm]

the low level experience is dogwater

[broken moss]

it applies poison that steals ur on kill effects

[turbid plover]

So, uh, what does the needle pistol's alt fire do?

[abstract temple]

low level is rough

[surreal surge]

It has that annoying ass slowdown that the chain axe has when you hit people that make it feel really clunky

[grizzled mulch]

Spreads I think

[nova tangle]

How does boom bringers damage look in higher difficulties?

[turbid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-never-nah-naw-gif-1191255073758669162

[trim bloom]

Hey for the bone saw I have to ask is yellow brittleness or chem and which one is purple for the bone saw cause I still figured it out and they don’t really have any way to identify or figure it out so what is purple and what is yellow for the bone saw?

[unkempt salmon]

It's insane, I've been one-tapped by Crushers on Malice just from their little love taps, not even overheads

[surreal surge]

Yellow is poison

[tight hinge]

yellow mode > single target DOT
blue mode > multiple target explode on death

[steep vale]

What do i want on bonesaw

[near mauve]

gunners are a nightmare on this class lmao if u dont have desparado lmao

[steep vale]

Dump mobility im guessing

[near mauve]

but despardo is so nice u just ignore all of them

dont even need to spray em down just IGNORE their dmg and melee thme

[outer estuary]

Same. Feels like I’m better off replacing at least 1 curio with a wound for the meantime just cause I know I’m gonna get downed from something that wouldn’t even down my psyker

[obsidian crown]

Why would you do that

[outer estuary]

Ignore ranged damage

[obsidian crown]

Ranged kills extends it

[near mauve]

i have a godroll maxxed out shiv and dogwater guns that do no dmg

[ruby kelp]

Real gangers crowbar

[near mauve]

i just switched to rampage for now

[nova tangle]

Wait is hive ganger legit squishiest class?

[near mauve]

ye

[nova tangle]

Damm

[near mauve]

but also insane movement

your dodges travel fast

[obsidian crown]

If you’re bad, yes

[vale garden]

Its squishiest on paper

[ruby kelp]

Yea the dodges feel great weapons i wish felt better

[outer estuary]

I’ve done a few revives just by popping desperado if there’s a group of gunners just looking at the down person

[vale garden]

Highest skill floor probs

[nova tangle]

Ah, so it's psyker vibes for toughness

[fiery palm]

I'm about to roll 500 generic weapons just so I can power through to level 30 cause these randoms are driving me insane

[vale garden]

Well

Idk

[surreal surge]

I thought purple was just the brittleness effect

[near mauve]

its very fun and im only level 15 so far

imma power level tomorrow tho

[nova tangle]

It's been only some amount of hrs maybe a tad to early to say?

[near mauve]

i got a feel for the class

that's all i needed

[random shuttle]

finally levelled up to Damnation

[vale garden]

Yeah fair, that seems to be the vibe im getting though, most punishing class to play poorly

[random shuttle]

feels good still

[ruby kelp]

The class feels like u need a higher skill level than normal when picking it up so i wouldnt be surprised if it bas a high skill floor

[random shuttle]

chembuild is fun

[outer estuary]

I plan on doing that once I reach 30 just to save the resources since by then armory weps are like 300-350 in level I think.