hivescum-class

[patent bone]

Love that guy

[arctic imp]

Mo mo 🫦

[arctic imp]

AYO

THATS MY NAME

[scenic viper]

Insane timing

[patent bone]

Ngl I'd go gay for him

Wait wtf

THEY'RE MULTIPLYING!!!

[arctic imp]

I’m changing my name to my hive scum name everyone wait

[tribal bane]

I am gay for most men

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-dead-hershel-shotgun-gif-12865167

[arctic imp]

I don’t have a hive scum name yet so I think it’s staying

[arctic imp]

Not on the darktide discord 😔

[tribal bane]

I need more chicken ramen

[patent bone]

ABSOLUTELY on the darktide discord

[tribal bane]

The alternative is the pasting the gonhonkerahoos copy pasta

[grand jewel]

I wish they kept you lot locked in the zealot chat

[fast gust]

Wouldn't be the first

[warm dust]

i remember to have see the intro cinematic of the hive scum but few minute and hour later it was removed from youtube or reddit

[twilit canyon]

HERSHEL

[patent bone]

With the 50 shells in his four round magazine

Seriously, what a legend

[sturdy linden]

Have any of CT folks here posted a comfy levelling setup for ganger?

Os it just yolo whatever

[grand jewel]

play whatever you find fun

free will and all

[patent bone]

True mucker mindset

Which looks cooler:

[rose palm]

Is that a cyberankle on the regular trews or just random armor bit

[patent bone]

Armor bit

I like the tiger stripe pattern

[patent bone]

Hey Hank

[toxic dagger]

Early access folks all get their character boosted to 30, ain't nobody levelling that shit themselves. They have Havoc content to make

[pallid quail]

update when ??

[toxic dagger]

So the players will have to find that out for themselves

[toxic dagger]

Tomorrow. It says so right there

[pallid quail]

[patent bone]

AHHHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT!!!

Steam said it was like a day and six hours til release

[split fiber]

what

[arctic imp]

Enforcer spotted

Everyone keep on high alert

[tepid cosmos]

this is only for blinders

[split fiber]

o

[tepid cosmos]

chem nade and boom bringer have no regen

[patent bone]

Perfect. I'll fill that penance in no time

[arctic imp]

Would you ever not take the +1 blitz

[tepid cosmos]

potentially the trees are so bottom heavy rn

[arctic imp]

Well I suppose it’s a wasted point if you’re doing blinders

[tepid cosmos]

alot of stuff done there you would want in builds

[arctic imp]

They already regen you don’t need another

[patent bone]

I'm mostly going to use it for a penance but I'll see how it goes

[arctic imp]

The trees really do feel bottom heavy but it just seems designed that way

[split fiber]

finally, shiv

[arctic imp]

The top has an extremely limited selection

[patent bone]

Swirly shivs

[tepid cosmos]

i love that the shivs we have are

drill bits
prison shank
and broken scissors

lol

[arctic imp]

Look at those finger nails

[split fiber]

i'm looking at yours right now and they're filthy

[arctic imp]

😔

Hive Scum for a reason

[near vapor]

improvised weapon aint it

[patent bone]

Since you guys did the playtest, do you get to keep the level 30 or will it restart you to level 1?

[arctic imp]

Can we vote on it

[patent bone]

Cleanest Imperial nails

[arctic imp]

I vote to reset them

[split fiber]

i think a lot of planning went into these- OHHHH YOU CAN THROW THEM TOO

[near vapor]

yea

[arctic imp]

Those poison

[tepid cosmos]

🤫

[arctic imp]

which seem out of place tbh

[near vapor]

throwing knivesshivs

[patent bone]

Now we can shank at a distance

[arctic imp]

But at least they gave it some synergy with tox

[split fiber]

how can anyone not be excited for another powercrept character that's going to be more fun to play than the other ones

[arctic imp]

I don’t necessarily think that’s true

But I am excited

[novel oracle]

i feel like im going insane, somethings wrong with bursters in this patch

[split fiber]

what the hell

[patent bone]

That range wtf

[arctic imp]

BOOSTED RANGE

RANGE BUff

[near vapor]

I do like the detail off the wrappings added on for grip

[split fiber]

quite far

[patent bone]

Just a little

[arctic imp]

Screen shot already

[tepid cosmos]

seems fine to me

[arctic imp]

This is why you have to push into them, never run 😎

[split fiber]

it's amazing what you can do when you stop using windows snipping tool

[novel oracle]

its also how far it decided to jump

and what it did mid jump

what the fuck is it doing

[arctic imp]

The only snipping tool i have are my shivs

[near vapor]

that mf

straight up air strafe yo ass

https://tenor.com/view/fast-fredbear-fnaf-hello-neighbor-mods-fredbear-gif-3732597353005298088

flying fredbear headahh

[split fiber]

now you're just saying shit

[arctic imp]

Oh so you were da one playing with E

Y’all’s own little world over there 😒

[patent bone]

Don't worry, we joining tomorrow

[spare glen]

sorry i had lethal proximity on

[main trellis]

That usually happens around corners

[arctic imp]

You gotta really get inside that burster

Think the way they do

[unique spire]

Fatshark should take notes and add a cosmetic like this guy

[patent bone]

Heard we getting nerfed tomorrow

[unique spire]

Ok I don't care, what it matters is that I can play as a poisonous hive ganger

Which will probably be from the water cartel

[patent bone]

They're removing the poisons

Jk idk what the patch is

[rapid mango]

dont bursters have bigger radius if no one pushes them?

[novel oracle]

thats not anything ive ever heard in my life

but thats not the only problem

its why its jumping from that far away

its what the fuck its doing mid jump

[glossy niche]

They're removing the accent from the outlaw

[foggy phoenix]

Henlo. I have plans to buy the hive scum class as soon as it's out.
How does the stim lab work?

[rapid mango]

if you mean the strafe thats normal.

[novel oracle]

15s minimum with 1 point, 75 with max points

[glossy niche]

It's like regular stims but better in every way

[novel oracle]

strafing around nothing

[rapid mango]

ye

they do that

[patent bone]

I'm playing Bounty Hunter so all good with me

[novel oracle]

normally its around an object which make sense and you can push it back around

[foggy phoenix]

I'm assuming you get 1 point on the lab per level the same way you get 1 talent point per level, yes?

[novel oracle]

i dont exactly remember tbh

i think its different where its in bursts

but dont quote me

[novel oracle]

but my biggest issue is where they start jumping from significantly further away

this is another example

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=V_gDOJ285Zurj8A9&t=1649

[foggy phoenix]

This game truly abuses computer mice with the amount of left clicks

[novel oracle]

this is when it starts jumping

why

[patent bone]

Got tired of our shoving

I just can't wait to play it

[flat mist]

Does sample collector trigger while your stim is active

[novel oracle]

no

[obsidian cipher]

What should pickpocket CD be like? 1min?
Should it be reduced by havoc -%ammo?
hopefully fatshark acknowledge this oversight before release

[novel oracle]

unless you deployed it via crate, because that doesnt stop the regen until the effect is over

[novel oracle]

id fix it via sweeping changes across the left side

Vultures mark changes
Also adds stacks on melee kill (its still only ranged buffs)
Being at max stacks grants an x% chance to count as dodging for melee and ranged attacks (replacing vultures dodge subnode current effect)
Pickpocket subnode, but only at max stacks, and activating it consumes all stacks (Replaces vultures push subnode entirely)

desperados ranged immunity draining from 100% over time by 10%/s and kills restored x%, depending on the enemy

[flat mist]

Chad hive scum regenning 32% toughness from weakspot crit toxin infected melee kills

[raven matrix]

What time tomorrows the hive scum releasing?

[rapid mango]

whatever 10hrs from now would be, but tomorrow

[patent bone]

Whenever Obese Megaladon gets to the office

[patent bone]

Wait frrl? Does it release by timezones?

[unique spire]

I think 16pm on Brazil State São Paulo

And no, I just didn't leak my location

[night torrent]

Hey everyone I am super hyped for the new class and it's release tomorrow. Can someone tell me at what time it will be available

[patent bone]

Don't worry, noone wants to go

[obsidian cipher]

That looks interesting, I personally dont enjoy x% chance to avoid dmg in any game, but since its a hive scum, maybe its part of its fantasy idk
I also agree that desperador ranged immunity should be looked at

3 elite/special kills for 20% ammo still looks op as f lmao

[novel oracle]

hey guys, do we know what time the class releases?

[rapid mango]

8pm fatshark time (sweden, norway, etc)

[unique spire]

https://tenor.com/view/crane-brazil-grab-poor-car-gif-17372636

[patent bone]

Jokes on you I live in the Philippines

[unique spire]

Okay and

[patent bone]

We're just poorer Brazil

[unique spire]

Okay, come live with me and have a better life

[fallow dagger]

You don't have cartels

[patent bone]

If I wanted a better life I'd just go for a swim

[novel oracle]

3 elite/special kills for 20% ammo still looks op as f lmao
but youd still have to work for it, its not just killing 1 elite, its killing 3 without your stacks running out, and youd also lose all the buffs from it and need to rebuild them back up to use em again

plus, it makes vultures mark more interesting and not fucking boring as shit

[patent bone]

We have Abu Sayyaf

[hearty crest]

Is chembomb a blitz or ability? Like can I have desperado and chembomb or rampage and chembomb?

[unique spire]

Blitz

[hearty crest]

Chembomb into rampage would clear so many hordes in my head

[patent bone]

I can see it working

[echo python]

chem grenades are a blitz, but the chem supply ability can also be specced into exploding into toxin stacks when it ends

[patent bone]

Will do a Blinder desperado run tho

Just to get the feel

[echo python]

and the blackout grenades can also apply chem tox if you use the Pocket Toxins talent

[hearty crest]

So if I chose chem supply, I can't have desperado or rampage?

Or can I

[echo python]

Correct

Cannot

[hearty crest]

Damn

So I'm either a bio terrorist or a regular one...

This...changes things

[patent bone]

I just wanna dual wield stubs or autoguns

[hearty crest]

Dual 1911s look so solid

[patent bone]

Autopistols*

[unique spire]

I want it make this guy, please add a whip made out of needles

[hearty crest]

It the dual autos also look like they shread

[patent bone]

Currently watching Coles gameplay with Autopistols. He's fucking wrecking

[hearty crest]

Can't believe they brought the tec 9 to darktide

[patent bone]

Main issue I'm going to have is trouble understanding mechanics since I play Vet for so long

[patent bone]

Mac10*

[hearty crest]

Aw man, I've been playimg all the class so I've never felt too stuck

I may one trick a class but I never feel stuck

[patent bone]

I've been so stuck on Vet that I feel as soon as I step forward I die

Hopefully my kf2 gunslinging helps

[night torrent]

I see thank you for the time lucky I am in that time zone with Sweden, Norway etc

[patent bone]

Oh based. Is it like 10:30am rn?

[rapid mango]

yeah

[night torrent]

True I just wonder how to build the stims in the lab but I will think about it

[patent bone]

I want to know what path to take to get to gunslinger the fastest

[night torrent]

So far I am for the rampage and the ability build stims

[patent bone]

I want to get better with my dual stubs

[night torrent]

I am sure tomorrow we will figure it out together

I am so hyped about the dual Mac 10, pistols and shivs

[patent bone]

Don't forget the crowbar

[night torrent]

True I will have at least 3 builds with all the new weapons the class comes with so I will try them all. I even might have different stims builds and try them all and see which one is best for me

[rapid mango]

its gonna be a struggle to pick between crowbar and shivs. i like having alternate ranged options

[patent bone]

Honestly, I'm kinda worried, and I said it in general so I'll post it here

[naive imp]

how do the throwing shivs compare to zealot knives

do they kill gunners at least

[rapid mango]

less range i heard, but they deal toxin so probably overall more damage, similar to if you throw a zealot knife with a bleed bistol out

[patent bone]

Actually fuck it: while I'm playing, would you guys be able to help out whenever you can with my gunslinger build? I REALLY want to enjoy it and I don't wanna fuck over my friends doing so

[rapid mango]

you also get 3, which is less than the zealot knives, but zealot knives are a blitz not a melee special

[novel oracle]

in what way would you fuck them over

[echo python]

Attention Rejects! This is an official reminder that Group Scumming Sessions will happen tomorrow. Participation is mandatory and any absences will be reported to Inquisition HR.

[rapid mango]

depends what region you are but im down

doing some shenanigans with my own friends first but i'll probably be available after

(taking lvl 1 hive scums into an auric for giggles)

[patent bone]

Dying a lot mainly. I play vet a lot and I'm very used to standing still and holding ground, tanking a hit or two then melee.

Never played Havoc either because I'm just that ass.

[patent bone]

West US. I live in Hawaii

[rapid mango]

we could probably meet in the middle, NA East?

[patent bone]

Yeah can! I play with some friends who are NA East

[rapid mango]

sounds good

send me an ingame FR when you can, we'll give it a go when times line up

[patent bone]

Will do! Just waiting for HS to drop if I'm being absolutely honest

[night torrent]

I will be down to play with you guys but I am in Europe so it will be hard but we can figure it out

[rapid mango]

im in EU, NA east doesnt give me many issues

[night torrent]

Btw what voice will you use for your scum I will go with the bounty hunter it sounds the coolest to me at least

[patent bone]

Oh sick

[rapid mango]

fem outlaw for me

[patent bone]

I'm going Male Outlaw

[rapid mango]

my only fem character, nice change of pace

[night torrent]

Same female bounty hunter

[patent bone]

I only play male. I like the name Jack

[toxic dagger]

I don't know what you're nervous about. Just pick whatever you want. Your friends won't notice or care what exactly you are using.

It doesn't matter while levelling

[patent bone]

I'm mostly nervous about how different this class is compared to vet. It's like an entirely new skillset imo

[rapid mango]

i will say, even if you cant do much damage at first on higher difficulties, staying alive and keeping with the group will do wonders, so even if you focus more on that than attacking, it's not a total issue

[flat mist]

Rampage:
• Base Duration: 10s
• On activation, forces a swap to melee weapon and sets Hive Scum's toughness to 100%
• Slightly zooms in FOV over time
• Base Cooldown: 30s; while active, Rampage's cooldown is paused but its remaining cooldown can still be reduced by using a Concentration Stimm before activation or during active duration

[brisk halo]

Do you go Jack for all of your characters? If so, that would be really funny.

[toxic dagger]

The exact build doesn't matter then, the only thing that matters is that you try to play to its strengths.

[patent bone]

....maybe

[flat mist]

I'm assuming rampage can also be cooled down while active by your stim?

[foggy phoenix]

Which one is more of a gremlin?
Fem Loose Cannon Vet
or
Fem Anarchist

[toxic dagger]

Anarchist for sure

[brisk halo]

That’s awesome should name your ganger meth jack

[glad latch]

I think I'll go with fem Anarchist. No idea on the name yet.

[toxic dagger]

Loose Cannon is a bit of a scoundrel

[rapid mango]

my characters were all just named "hexis" and then i got to ogryn and i just....

"MisterBigglesworth". now they all have their own names. (psyker main 1 is still Hexis tho)

[toxic dagger]

The Anarchists are something else.

[patent bone]

Yeah. Getting a kill is just SOOOOO satisfying, but you right.

[patent bone]

Nah he's gonna be Jakka

[toxic dagger]

To them, this whole thing is just fun. They don't want the war to end. They just want to get in there and turn heretics into goulash

And maybe some loyalists if they get the chance

[night torrent]

I am sure we will figure out a name for our hive scums for me right now the name Chloe sound good for a female bounty hunter

[brisk halo]

My arbitrator is called STOPRESISTING all caps

[rapid mango]

i speak from a strange point of experience. lvl 1 psyker in auric. starter weapons are so ass best you can do is weak BB on the bosses and try to take out specials, starting bb takes 2 shots to kill a dog too so its not ideal

[novel oracle]

the preacher interaction is peak
idk if you payed attention to that one in that havoc vid

[toxic dagger]

Loose Cannon would rather be somewhere else, doing some racketeering, making some money, fucking some bitches, getting drunk, whatever. Unfortunately they're forced to keep soldiering so it is what it is

[glad latch]

Stimmpack Jack could be a cool name.

[toxic dagger]

Anarchist is volunteering for this whole thing. And they're excited about it

[patent bone]

Seeing as it's a very Aggressive ranged class, I WOULD ask for help with progressing. I personally would LOVE to be a range main

[patent bone]

That IS pretty good

[patent bone]

So just gotta take it slow?

[toxic dagger]

I haven't watched your content sorry xoxo

[brisk halo]

Now that’s fire I was planning on naming mine Gordon Tweakmen and main crowbar

[toxic dagger]

What do they say?

[rapid mango]

just keep pace with the rest of the squad really, bonus points if you know how to keep aggro on a monstrosity and lead it around without dying, helps the team kill it faster

[toxic dagger]

What happened to just trying things for yourself? Why do you need help playing the game differently? You'll have plenty of time to adjust to the new abilities in low difficulties while grinding levels

It's still Darktide, it's not radically different.

[rapid mango]

making sure you have someone looking out for you is helpful

[grand jewel]

[toxic dagger]

I understand asking for a cohesive lvl 30 build for high difficulties

That's when it matters

[patent bone]

How about Slipshot Jack? Since I'm aiming for gunslinger

[toxic dagger]

But there's nothing to be stressed about early on

[grand jewel]

are we gonna have to grind the difficulties again

[rapid mango]

yeah lol

[toxic dagger]

Yeah ofc. New character.

[grand jewel]

god I wanna die

[rapid mango]

new characters need that

[grand jewel]

let me speedrun death in auric at level 1 with grey weapons man

[rapid mango]

again tho you can just have a buddy take you to whatever you wanna do

[patent bone]

Sorry, just anxiety is all. I just didn't want to feel like the dead weight of the group and was looking for help.

Thank you though you all

[grand jewel]

honestly though, arbites did fine at level 1 in auric with greys lol

[novel oracle]

lies you commented on that one

[brisk halo]

Jack the blicker

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=4oEGodxe4FciTdIs&t=428

[rapid mango]

well thats because arby starts with actually good weapons, and a dog

[patent bone]

Nice, currently watching that

[grand jewel]

bjork

[toxic dagger]

I'm not trying to be mean about it, I just hope you can relax and enjoy the new class without worrying.

[brisk halo]

Wait no jack the switcher

[toxic dagger]

Oh yeah I left a comment for the pbb rework psyops

[patent bone]

Not sure I'm ready for Auric yet lol

[toxic dagger]

You know how it is

[grand jewel]

do it, take the leap

its really not that different

[leaden lark]

actually

It's pretty different

[dull dagger]

I like doing the grind. A new character gives me an excuse for not being great

[patent bone]

I appreciate it. Thank you. And I really will enjoy the class. I overthink things sometimes and I apologize

[leaden lark]

but literally unless you start playing auric, nothing will change

[patent bone]

Mmmmaaayyyybe after a couple levels lol

[novel oracle]

ive already got my ranged side nerf suggestion lined up
its also not a harsh nerf really, still super strong and makes it all more interesting and involved

[woeful trellis]

if you don't enjoy auric because the difficulty is too high, you don't have to play auric

[novel oracle]

Vultures mark changes
Also adds stacks on melee kill (its still only ranged buffs)
Being at max stacks grants an x% chance to count as dodging for melee and ranged attacks (replacing vultures dodge subnode current effect)
Pickpocket subnode, but only at max stacks, and activating it consumes all stacks (Replaces vultures push subnode entirely)

desperados ranged immunity draining from 100% chance to dodge ranged over time by 10%/s and kills restored x%, depending on the enemy

[woeful trellis]

the point of the game (any game, really) is to have fun, not to push high difficulties

[novel oracle]

not the custom stim

[woeful trellis]

unless you have fun pushing high difficulties, in which case you should

[fast gust]

Evil Cole already nerfing things (he snuck into Fatshark HQ, fed the big fish they keep at the entrance as a guard and snuck into the offices to nerf himself, guided by EVIL HANK)

[leaden lark]

weak aura statement, if you wanna play auric but you suck, keep playing auric

No other way to get better at auric

[brisk halo]

No better way than brute force fuckallat thinking shit just turn one charge and if it doesn’t work, do it again

[dull dagger]

Not really. You can practice most new strategies at most levels

[woeful trellis]

right, but why would you force yourself to play auric if auric is not fun for you? "if you stick it out past the learning curve and develop the right skills, high intensity gaming is more fun than low intensity gaming" is definitely valid for a lot of people, but it's not universally true for 100% of players

[patent bone]

Yknow what fuck it

[woeful trellis]

(one of the reasons why some people don't enjoy high havoc)

[patent bone]

Level 1 Hive Scum I'm doing Auric

[toxic dagger]

No need to be sorry 💖

[patent bone]

Unless I can't

[leaden lark]

I liked high havoc before stimms

I was actually playing h40

It was pretty neat

but then stimms and rotten armor care around

[patent bone]

Felt like it was owed, but seriously dude. Thanks

[woeful trellis]

i'd advise you to do what you enjoy and try new things, but without feeling obligated to do anything

[leaden lark]

and I just can't be assed to play this bullshit

[toxic dagger]

Vulture's dodge is the evasion on crit one?

[leaden lark]

It's literally unplayable rn

[flat mist]

@novel oracle can you confirm? The way Kuli wrote this got me worried Mr E is actually right that cdr stim doesn't work during rampage

[toxic dagger]

Desperado Immunity draining into % chance = goated idea

[rapid mango]

our group is full but if youre around and a slot opens for it ill let you know

[fast gust]

Wait, anyone know who the voice actor for MALE outlaw is?

[novel oracle]

yes
you can easily become immune as you keep shooting with the crit chance they get, and they have the ammo to do that

like

[toxic dagger]

Yeah that did seem like a problem.

[patent bone]

I'm still waiting for HS to drop lol, want to get back in like a noob

[novel oracle]

i play in super danger in h40 because nothing can damage me

[dull dagger]

I think FS posted a video showing the VAs

[rapid mango]

i think we're gonna have 3 lvl1s at least at first, talk about chaos

[leaden lark]

Emphatic evasion 2

[novel oracle]

lemme find a section that demonstrates that in that video

[dull dagger]

Or someone did

[toxic dagger]

So you're proposing you can build up stacks for evasion with the keystone and desperado inversely starts at 100% but ranged immu degrades with duration

[rapid mango]

ye i mean for that shenanigans runs :D

[toxic dagger]

That sounds like fun

[patent bone]

I'd be down! If not, no worries

[toxic dagger]

And more balanced indeed

[patent bone]

I got some buddies who play Darktide

[main trellis]

Rotten armour aka skill check modifier

[leaden lark]

rotten armour aka ds4 check

[main trellis]

We never used ds4 and are doing fine on rotten

[flat mist]

I get it man. I was so anxious when I first tried damnation back in ye olden days, and I still sometimes feel that way when I'm playing high havoc. My advice for anxiety for someone I don't know is always that it's ok to feel anxious, but you should try and act in alignment with your goals and values despite that anxiety. If you want to play high difficulties, keep doing that! And if what's important to you is that someone is trying to do well and help the team and not that they are performing at a certain grade, then you've succeeded just by turning up and putting in your best effort.

[leaden lark]

I can't be assed to first grind all the way to h40

[novel oracle]

it could be % per stack of vultures, or the full value only at max stacks of vultures, and you can utilize that to plug the gap of the decay youre fighting of desperado

[woeful trellis]

if you have enough kite or stagger you can sorta do it with whatever... rotten+encroaching when the pink one is a bit further back in the pack is kinda rough though, and supposedly after the patch they'll be ~40% tankier vs melee as well

[leaden lark]

and then actually play and potentially get rotten armour stimms pox gas

no thank you

[compact oyster]

Rotten armor damage resistance now also aplying to melee damage

[novel oracle]

as well as just make it generally useful outside without being perma immunity

[compact oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169036792360603700/1435071859111497850/GIFs_Shitposting__20251103_4.gif

[toxic dagger]

Based and real

This is the way

[toxic dagger]

Yea

[main trellis]

CC is the Key; and communication
2 most lacking things in every havoc lobby

[toxic dagger]

I see the lil minigame already

[woeful trellis]

yeah

[main trellis]

No wonder ppl suck

[patent bone]

Yeah it's just been an issue I've had for a while. But I VERY much appreciate the advice bro

[novel oracle]

oh and in this case youd also be consuming this chance to dodge, as well as the other buffs, to proc pickpocket too
making it a give and take, and also locking such a strong effect into a keystone too

[woeful trellis]

i like arbites into rotten armor cuz hammerblow forceful ASM + btl + shock mine is an insane amount of CC

[novel oracle]

this part specifically needs melee elite kills to give stacks too tho, cant build vultures stacks to make ammo without ammo

[toxic dagger]

The only downside is that % based evasion or immunity is potentially too unreliable to enable the playstyle at levels where getting unlucky with RNG and getting hit twice means going down

[main trellis]

I don’t use mines; not needed

[woeful trellis]

i can see nades working as well, but i prefer overkill

[dull dagger]

Sadly I'm forced to play in the Hong Kong servers to play havoc. Not so many players in Japan. The Hong Kong folks are nice, but tend to speak Chinese

[tepid cosmos]

Should have ate more chicken feet

[woeful trellis]

the more CC the merrier!

[flat mist]

Me too, man. Me too.

[brisk halo]

I keep getting Russians

[novel oracle]

oh well here @toxic dagger
half of this auric clip im not even in desperado
you can see the short purple buff which is vultures dodge proccing all the time, and all ive got is 15% crit from vultures mark and 20% from a dodge and the 5% stat node

[livid raven]

i also keep getting russians in eu

they love to type in russian

[main trellis]

Why forced?

[dull dagger]

I see Russian names here too. But only in voice chat once. And when they used English they were just showering me with compliments lol

[dull dagger]

Not so many players here in Japan. And Hong Kong is the populated area with the lowest ping

[main trellis]

There are not that many good russian players lmao

[main trellis]

Aaa you are fron the Nippon

[novel oracle]

also
lol
lmao, even

[dull dagger]

Not from. But I've been living in Japan a very long time

[patent bone]

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

[main trellis]

Don’t forget; thats only ~25k hp

[flat mist]

Why is the effectiveness of this even a question when EE exists

[unreal stirrup]

h40?

[fast gust]

I knew I heard him somewhere else, Gordon Cooper (voice actor for male outlaw) is also the voice of Gabor Zigrin in Thronebreaker

[novel oracle]

auric mael

[main trellis]

Lmao ofc not

[unreal stirrup]

oh nvm there no horde

my ass stupid

@limber cradle you're free for gtfoing in 1 or 2 hours?

[patent bone]

Still tho
I wish to be that strong

[livid raven]

is that push the double uzi special

[leaden lark]

honestly, that's so true

[brisk halo]

I just keep getting Russians I don’t even live in Eastern Europe anymore I just keep getting em

[leaden lark]

The ru discord for darktide fucking sucks

[livid raven]

oh nvm it's the shivs

[novel oracle]

sorry im in multiple convos
yes i have checked
it works with concetration stim only, broker stim cdr doesnt work with it at all

[novel oracle]

it isnt but it does have a push which can stop rager combos

[compact oyster]

A chaos spawn

This vexes me

[livid raven]

i wish they stopped giving lame specials to ranged weapons

[toxic dagger]

[flat mist]

F

[rapid mango]

have you SEEN the 1911's special?

[novel oracle]

now imagine this in havoc 40
and you can easily see why this is currently my go to build, especially in broker 4 stacks where ranged enemies are super deadly
suddenly im running circles around em

[brisk halo]

How mfs swear king von was moving in 2012

[livid raven]

one weapon with an actual special in a see of bash and other similarly bad specials

[novel oracle]

stub pistol spin

[fast gust]

Stub pistol spin

[novel oracle]

needlepistol switches toxin modes

[toxic dagger]

Lmfao

[flat mist]

@low harbor was your build relying on this not being the case

[fast gust]

What does the other toxin (purple) do in general?

Seen it on the bonesaw too

Rending?

[toxic dagger]

Brittle

[unreal stirrup]

yeah and it have practice use too

[leaden lark]

The biggest offenders of lame specials are probably staves. I understand it's tough to come up with something interesting for a las pistol. But magic staves? And all they have is a useless bonk? Come on

[unreal stirrup]

toxin dot seem pretty fucking op

[patent bone]

Is that the one best against carapace?

[fast gust]

Thanks Hank I will now use this information...well To-morrow

[dull dagger]

Just straight up deleting mobs

[main trellis]

I mean… as which class?

[patent bone]

Hive Scum

[rapid mango]

it does knock things over
and laspistol special is great for maintaining peril while actively shooting things

[toxic dagger]

Imagine if fatshark were as good at making weapons back then as they are now

God

[fast gust]

'Ok bozz deleting chaos spawn'

[main trellis]

You will be? Its not like he had some premium shit this ain’t chinesse gatcha games

[patent bone]

Salute For Morrow

[rapid mango]

beans actually made a video before smites charged strike got fixed, staff bonk only auric run

[limber cradle]

Tbh no, I did a bad and stayed awake all night lmfao, I'm about to sleep. I'll be up in 6 if we're lucky.

[unreal stirrup]

damn

[novel oracle]

its brittleness yeah
its also worth noting that in addition to toxin coating applying toxin and purple flavor applying brittle, those modes also deal significantly more damage to the enemy types the chem meshes with, toxin coating deals high damage to flesh armors and mid damage to armor armor, purple deals high damage to armor armor and mid damage to flesh armor

[unreal stirrup]

what bro timezone

[leaden lark]

still, it's very borking

[patent bone]

Will be, just need to get used to the mechanics that'll be added

[limber cradle]

Eastern

[unreal stirrup]

est?

[limber cradle]

Ye

I sleep now

[fast gust]

Hmmm maybe Gordon Freeman will have to wait, Chemlover seems to be pretty interesting

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-half-life-half-life-2-smoke-smoking-gif-10286882637165944395

[unreal stirrup]

we're like 12 hours apart lmao

[fast gust]

Wait I just realized
Crowbar alt is just saltspyre billhook special
Finally I can carry trappers across the map in revenge!

[grand jewel]

Cool

[drowsy relic]

Don't be rash now they did release the power falchion

[main trellis]

Lets be real; everyone will be using purple all the time

No point in swapping

[maiden heart]

duel knife looks so cool, not a huge fan of the double stab heavy animation but iguess i gotta get used to it 😔

[novel oracle]

no

people will be using toxin for nearly everything, then swapping to purple for crushers and maybe maulers

[fast gust]

No rocketjump hive scum

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-tf2-soldier-jumpscare-tf2-soldier-jumpscare-gif-25554720

[compact oyster]

Purple goo only gives brittleness stacks right?

[leaden lark]

yes

green goo goos you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/175005585203396622/1234224038289735751/glorpshakey.gif

[rare stirrup]

It's over

[rapid mango]

idk swapping is literally just the special so i dont see why you wouldnt

[novel oracle]

purple mode stacks brittleness, and deals more damage to armor and less damage to flesh

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hero-yoshihiko-and-the-demon-king's-castle-licking-poison-knife-poison-knife-scene-gif-5221904393176689113

Something something hive scum bonesaw

[main trellis]

I mean flak is a big majority of the hp pool of enemies overall that you face
If you gonna be swapping for toxin to kill poxwalkers faster then i dunno what to say to that
The only argument is to swap for bosses & thats it

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-medic-tf2-strange-my-beloved-gif-2546645237774759353

[rapid mango]

poxwalkers, bosses, dreg anything

[novel oracle]

armor as in like carapace

i can go do a damage demo real quick

[main trellis]

Many weapons have special and ppl dont use them as often as they should imo (i use specials alot but thats me)

[leaden lark]

btw, how does toxin work? Does it deal the same damage to all enemies? Or is it like bleed with different damage to different types of armor

[compact oyster]

I wouldnt run purple goo for flak when you have a largr amount of talent nodes working off of toxin enemies

[patent bone]

Just a quick question: What's the base damage for Stubs?

[rapid mango]

my question is, what level do i have to be to GET the stubs

[drowsy relic]

I mean I appreciate that the animators accounted for this which is why the scum always hold a rag over the blade

[main trellis]

If you get dreg feed then ye but if not; its only really chaf (lmao) and bosses (acceptable)

[patent bone]

10

[rapid mango]

i want them so bad lmao

yay

2 aurics

[patent bone]

Very doable

I also wanna focus on getting the gunslinger build to do penances

[compact oyster]

I think toxin bypasses armor

[compact oyster]

So theoretically toxin can kill captains through shields

[main trellis]

This is for brittle one or toxin one?

[novel oracle]

brittleness doesnt deal damage so it doesnt have an adm

[main trellis]

No
Unless it works just like bleed so when its applied on flesh and shield gets back up it does dmg to hp not the shield

[novel oracle]

lmao

thats the toxin

[main trellis]

Well now; then its in reverse; use toxin over brittle everytime

Balanced

[novel oracle]

the purple side has better ttks into crushers cuz the raw damage into crushers is just that high

[fast gust]

OMG

TABLES!

[main trellis]

Yeah; my point stands tho; no need to swap just use 1 on the 2 and by that i mean the toxin one

[compact oyster]

Heavies also deal 2 ticks of damage

[main trellis]

So dumb that its 90% adm vs carapace

Actually stupid

[novel oracle]

would you rather this be another uncanny is mandatory class?

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

[main trellis]

I would rather have an incentive to use the 2nd mode on a weapon rather than completely forgetting about it cause outside of giving your team more dmg cause brittle it does nothing for you

[novel oracle]

so this is doing nothing for you?

[compact oyster]

This combo isnt optimal cause it doesnt use push strikedown yeah?

[manic quarry]

Hive Scum drop delayed 2 weeks

[novel oracle]

how often are you gonna take the time to do that tho tbf

[main trellis]

Ye i don’t see any difference; 10%+ extra dmg is not that big

[compact oyster]

If you have the time

[novel oracle]

this is way more than 10%

[main trellis]

If toxin had 0,6 adm then ye; using brittle mode would be perfect but with 0,9? There is a reason asm does not use any rending despite having similar adm for cara

[compact oyster]

👨‍🦯

[compact oyster]

Ok thats really cool you have a visual of the ruffian ability running out

[main trellis]

Kill speed between the modes was not noticable - if the numbers state its more than 10% then the ADM table is wrong

But then if it would

[rapid mango]

3 combos instead of 4

[novel oracle]

thats the adm of the TOXIN

not the attack

the adm of the ATTACK is very different

[compact oyster]

Silence cole a non playtester is speaking

Listen and learn

[main trellis]

Ye and we talk about toxin; thats my gripe

Not the attacks themselves

[fast gust]

Noobato you can't just do that when I'm drinking a coffee

[novel oracle]

im saying the difference in damage of the attecks themselves between the modes against carapace causes the purple mode to pull ahead of the lower raw toxin coat damage + the toxin itself

[fast gust]

how am I gonna explain to my boss I spilled the coffee on the carpet?

[main trellis]

Brittle on that helps yes but toxin it does not much cause of that adm

[rapid mango]

bonus points if youve got a teammate also killing crushers with you tbh

prep them with an application, teammate delivers killing blow with a strong singepoint attack like a psykers deimos or FGS, repeat

[compact oyster]

you saw someone being funny in the workplace chat

[novel oracle]

im not even sure what youre trying to say anymore

[drowsy relic]

He likes apple flavour over grapes

[spare glen]

for bossing which color would be best

[novel oracle]

toxin

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/lean-codeine-promethazine-sprite-gif-5718593

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-yummers-gif-730693117818784194

[novel oracle]

i think the only exception is the twins

they do have carapace heads

[fast gust]

Ok what if, you apply the brittleness and then you hit them with toxin?

🤔

[spare glen]

probably just a waste of time swapping between

[fast gust]

Perhaps there's a way to quick cancel the anim?

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-gif-22195730

[novel oracle]

heres the difference in damage on a crit, first toxin then purple
notice how the purple has significantly higher damage on the first hit, when there is no brittleness yet
this is what i mean by the purple mode itself has significantly higher damage compared to the toxin mode, and the brittleness only takes that further

[spare glen]

how many stacks of brittle is it per hit btw?

[compact oyster]

1k damage vs 1.7k

[drowsy relic]

This is a dumb question but if you do the inverse (purple first then green) it's the same damage?

[spare glen]

if you need to told again, yes it’s better to make it purple

[neon fern]

the bonesaw behind the slaughter

[novel oracle]

no, the toxin mode will do more damage on hit, but it still wont be close to the purple mode even before brittleness

[main trellis]

I’m talking about toxin adm; its 0,9 - brittle won’t do much for it other than 10%+ dmg (and ofc teammate helping)
Regular attacks with the weapon will benefit from brittle more yes but if we look at endgame content where you face multiple crushers at once with backup - if you don’t get any CC - you won’t be focusing as effectively 1 at a time when the rest of the nonsense will try to turn you into paste
So you hit & run - you abuse DoT to wither them down and since toxin does 0,9 adm there is not much incentive to use brittle to boost its effectiveness (not to mention other brittle sources on your team like thunderous, penetrating flames or rending shockwave)

[spare glen]

no one uses any of those options lol

[main trellis]

Now the question is however… how long does brittle last from the cleaver? 5s? Or longer?

[rapid mango]

rending shockwave is used on rending VB builds, usually paired with an inferno psyker, but yeah i question someone using pen flames

if they fix the uncanny interaction then it may be useful, but until then....

[main trellis]

You play havoc? Its there; inferno staff uses that & blaze away
Purgatus flamer uses that & blaze away/overpressure

[rapid mango]

warp nexus and blaze away

then stack uncanny

[main trellis]

Or use blazing spirit; combine both (no i’m serious its effective)

[spare glen]

i don’t think you quite understand the meta

[novel oracle]

assuming no melee buffs, it takes as many hits to kill with purple as it does with toxin if you let the dots run out, that being 3 loops of that heavy rip light
as you actually get melee damage, the purple mode easily outpaces it, both in ttk but time spent to ensure the kill
and boy howdy does broker have melee damage

[compact oyster]

You mean ruffian?

https://tenor.com/view/creep-yes-nod-cheese-smirk-gif-11037512334578268662

[rapid mango]

nexus, blaze away, stack uncanny... idk why the

[novel oracle]

i had a better time running purple in rotten armor blobs than toxin
and im not the only one with that experience

[glad latch]

What's the point of the toxin mode if it's worse then the brittle mode? Classic fatshark balancing at work?

[main trellis]

Seen too many meta builds and metamancers in my lobbies… abusing uncanny is another thing that should be adressed

[novel oracle]

and thats even with the dr applying to melee and not dots

[compact oyster]

How does the needler perform against rotten armor?

[novel oracle]

it does really well then you realized you used 90% of your ammo in the first room

[woeful trellis]

doesn't pickpocket give you infinite needler ammo though

as long as you get the last hit

[compact oyster]

Asuming pickpocket wont get nerfed

[glad latch]

Yes, basically.

[novel oracle]

that and assuming you even spend the points to reach over there

its very costly to reach into another playstyles pool of stuff with how the tree is set up

i dont grab pickpocket in any of my melee builds

[main trellis]

Because not many ppl play like this (as in; they try but there are many factors that make them fail)

[rapid mango]

fair enough

[main trellis]

After all; sterile environment testing is nothing compared to the actual field performance

[rapid mango]

i know just enough about public havoc lobbies to avoid it whenever possible

[woeful trellis]

oh you're talking about melee builds, i assume if you're going full needler it'd be left side desperado + vulture. needler/chem toxin spam seems very safe into armor because you're fast as hell and don't need to be anywhere near the crushers to do the 1.5k dps, idk if chem toxin kills with ranged weapon out count as ranged kills for vulture though

[main trellis]

I would play more of that but my friends are faster

[compact oyster]

i was looking at reginalds vids but how does dual autopistols and dual stub pistols compete against eachother

[plain tide]

I keep seeing the name of "HiveScum" and keep autocorrecting it to "Tenno scoom"

[novel oracle]

in what environment

melee or ranged broker

[compact oyster]

both

[novel oracle]

i think stubs are better for melee and autos are better for ranged

[main trellis]

Ah grinner

[novel oracle]

but they both can work in each others place

[fast gust]

Cole I had a question, what sort of mouse do you prefer?

[novel oracle]

i was trying to think of something witty cuz i work at a pet store but its 5 am so i got nothing

[rapid mango]

field mouse

[tepid cosmos]

sick ama

[novel oracle]

idk i have this random ass mouse with side buttons which is good enough for me

[compact oyster]

haiiii

[main trellis]

Do you utilize the side buttons?

[novel oracle]

if it has 2 thumb mouse buttons thats good enough for me

[rapid mango]

me with 12

[novel oracle]

bottom mouse button is melee in any shooter that has one but its not a focus

like destiny or something

[tepid cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-ffxiv-gulool-ja-ja-ja-gulool-ja-ja-gif-1266370766182390911

[novel oracle]

top button is an alt ability which would be class abilities in destiny (can you tell thats when i started using them)

[glad latch]

Same. I have a G203 mouse. Two side buttons is good to have.

[main trellis]

I NEVER used side buttons for melee; i always used keyboard for that

[novel oracle]

as for darktide

bottom side button is weapon special

top side button is ping

[compact oyster]

guh

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[main trellis]

I use both for keyboard

[glad latch]

I use the first side button for weapon special and the other for the crate button.

[compact oyster]

top side special bottom side is blitz

[fast gust]

My ping is in my mousewheel...for reasons

[novel oracle]

i hate mousewheel as a button

[compact oyster]

you would love sm2 then

aim is tied to scroll button

[sonic acorn]

When will i be able to buy it?

[silver mural]

I dont mind clicking mouse wheel, but i dislike scrolling as an input

[dim moth]

unironically kind of a good bind for the context of the game

but GOD it's so WEIRD

[fast gust]

People used to mordhau/cmw will find it quite intuitive

[woeful trellis]

i have ping on scroll up and light attack on scroll down

[novel oracle]

thank god i know how to bind keys
have you not done that or something

[compact oyster]

in sm2 i have melee on top side button

[glad latch]

Yeah scrolling as an input is just weird. Like it's ok for swapping weapons or changing range on a scope, but anything else is generally just weird.

[compact oyster]

i rarely aim in sm2

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/goedulf-nexter-darktide-stare-warhammer-gif-17820373588181746257

[compact oyster]

i use the heroic bolt pistol which has 0 spread

so you just hipfire it

[dim moth]

I will intentionally take it off of scroll wheel and put it on something else

[woeful trellis]

it's habit from vermintide where i played too much dual hammers slayer! in hordes i would just scroll down slowly and scroll up every now and then to see outlines through the horde

[dim moth]

scroll wheel is a terrible bind for swapping anything

whatever happened to using the goddamn number keys

or Q

ya boy Q out of a job

[main trellis]

But ye @novel oracle if you may;
The brittle from the cleaver… how long it lasts and how much it applies per hit?

[rapid mango]

q is still here as a weapon swap

i use both Q+C (blitz rebound), and scrollwheel depending on whats going on

[compact oyster]

you dont have slide on c?

[rapid mango]

no, shift

[glad latch]

It depends on the mouse, some are terrible for it, but my current one doesn't over scroll if I am careful with it. Q is also nice for weapon swaps and G is always good for grenades or any sort of throwable, although I would like the quick-throw blitz's like the throwing knife and blackout to be separately bindable if I want to, I would probably shove those on the middle mouse button.

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[rapid mango]

sprint is mouse side button 4, special action is side button 7, enemy ping is side button 10

[dim moth]

do you not have a second hand

[compact oyster]

WHAT

[fast gust]

q is to grab stuff

and interact

e is for the emperor

[glad latch]

no, E is for that.

[fast gust]

No.

[glad latch]

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[fast gust]

E stands for EMPEROR

[glad latch]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-hell-gif-18853369

[rapid mango]

E is normal interact, and destroy rations

[glad latch]

funny how everyone has their different preferences for key bindings, meanwhile console players are lucky if a game has more then one preset button scheme.

[novel oracle]

its 2.5% per stack, up to 15 stack so 37.5 brittleness, its a unique brittle debuffs so it stacks with all other brittleness sources
iirc its applied the saw way toxin is, 1 on hit, 1 on crit, rip attacks apply 1 on hit and rip for 2 total

[livid raven]

Their fault for playing on console

[novel oracle]

actually now that i recall it was capping out on 4 light attacks, so it might be 4 stacks on hit

which if it follows the same logic its 4 on hit, 4 on crit

[main trellis]

So we can get… 77,5% total brittle on 1 enemy huh

Exellent

[livid raven]

The cleaver is a good generalist i'm guessing

[main trellis]

[novel oracle]

it does need some specific stuff in the tree to really shine though

stam attack speed, cleave, toxin on hit and base damage from toxin are some specific ones

btw

brittleness coating counts as toxin for that base damage buff for toxin afflicted enemies nearby

likely for that weakspot toxin blessing that i think is going to be vastly overrated too

decimator shock and awe gang

[spare glen]

i’m going to believe you on this

but if it sucks i’m joining kez in wrath and the unique blessing

[novel oracle]

verified awesomepilled blessings

[spare glen]

am i supposed to know who that is

[novel oracle]

yes actually

wrong one doofus

[patent bone]

Wrong one

[glad latch]

Yeah I was thinking of running that on the bonesaw as well.

[spare glen]

respectfully i’m not watching hank video

[patent bone]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Trze3DWg2CI?si=lVCRfZQmuTiqEkfj

[patent bone]

It was next to another video on me clipboard ya bastard

[spare glen]

oh him i see now

[main trellis]

Shock & meme unironically gonna be usable?

[novel oracle]

saw has terrible cleave

like

holy fucking shit

its so bad

thats intended to be its weakness

[main trellis]

Wrath & cleave from talent tree

Fixed

[novel oracle]

wrath was actually made to be a bespoke version so they could reduce its value cuz they thought itd be too strong

[novel oracle]

see youd think that

but those are additive

-hitmass reduces what youre having to cleave through

[patent bone]

By the time I wake up, I better see the Hive Scum available

[main trellis]

Test wrath vs shock & meme; see which one cleaves more vs chaf and vs mixed hordes with no cara

[spare glen]

guess you’re sleeping like 22 hours then

[novel oracle]

so cleave from the tree for bigger cleave, -hitmass to reduce how much you have to cleave through

then decimator and maybe punk rage power to be multiplicitive on top of that

[patent bone]

Damn right

[novel oracle]

now youre cleaving mixed hordes

and applying toxin to everything

[drowsy relic]

Shock and awe value?

[novel oracle]

yes

[fast gust]

Shock and awe...usage?

I thought I'd never see the day

[shadow umbra]

Tomorrow is scum day!!!

[main trellis]

It will; its already used on shovels for cleave so that will work

[shadow umbra]

I cant wait to fullfill my fantasy of gunning down millions of poxers

[fast gust]

Yes but the local youtuber told me shovels are bad

As such I only play DS

all day

[main trellis]

Also shock & meme lasts 3s is good unlike 2s on Thammer

[fast gust]

on all classes

[novel oracle]

yeah but in addition to everything else

also thammer didnt need any of it

but this one does

desperately

[silver mural]

Idk wtf I'm gonna do when hive scum doesnt get DS.... im cooked ;-; worst class ever

[spare glen]

cole what did you say the cleave was for needle pistol again.

[main trellis]

Yeah i saw the gameplay and was like why its soo slow and not hacking alot?

[novel oracle]

its like 1.5 or something

[compact oyster]

were all scum

[spare glen]

i mean

[compact oyster]

atleast im human scum!

[silver mural]

Imagine the needle pistol hitting multiple people lmao.

[novel oracle]

no wire
hotshot is not hot shit on needle pistol

it is just normal shit

[silver mural]

Like shooting a tranq through a wolf to tranq them and another one behind them

[spare glen]

cmon

atleast add lp to needle pistol

[main trellis]

Yeah what does neddle pistol do exacly? Has 2 marks too

[silver mural]

Needle pistol AOEs spread on death or if they smash the floor right

Is floor shooting any good as a strategy?

[silver mural]

One alt fire causes explosions that stagger and the other causes explosions that AOE chem tox stacks

I believe one mark also does 1 more stack on primary fire

[compact oyster]

refined lethality decimator for bonesaw?

[silver mural]

Wait both of them spread chem tox in an aoe?

[novel oracle]

no

[compact oyster]

since purple goo counts as toxin

[novel oracle]

no idk why it says that

[compact oyster]

my goat kuli so washed

[novel oracle]

the one that doesnt have +2 on headshot/crit has the primer spread

[tepid cosmos]

I was using refined lethality wrath on my bonesaw the thing screams out for better cleave

[silver mural]

10 stacks on a headshot crit is definitely sexy

[novel oracle]

and so you did the morally correct thing and swapped it for shock and awe

[compact oyster]

we damagemaxxing

[tepid cosmos]

Uh ye that!

[spare glen]

@novel oracle i noticed a lot less armor in your games is that just because those were the good runs or is it just shooter hell

[spare glen]

good job!!

[fast gust]

Grass is always greener in Coles games

[silver mural]

Cole: this shit aint nothing to me man

[grand jewel]

unless you're sleeping for 26 hours

good luck

[fast gust]

ROTTEN ARMOR

[fast gust]

Stealth busters

Classic since the intro of havoc

[fast gust]

Wait, that overhead

It's mordhau all over again

Karker

[grand jewel]

cole is cosplaying as a pancake

[fast gust]

Rotten armor on it's way to not allow anyone to have fun with boomstick desperado

I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT

[fluid ether]

because you cropped the table. both marks apply 1 stack in small aoe on projectile hit when special is active. the on death explosion is something different

[novel oracle]

oh true im tired

i assumed itd be listed in the special thing

[spare glen]

weird i think i messed up my db vet build

[glad latch]

Always amuses me how mordhau devs claim their game is meant to not have exploits and be more realistic then chivalry and then I see shit like this

[novel oracle]

also can you confirm
ik the saw brittle is up to 37.5% at 15 stacks, but how many stacks on hit, and is it more from crit like it is with toxin?

from what i saw it looked like 4 stacks on hit

[drowsy relic]

#muckerdown

[fluid ether]

3 on hit, +1 if crit

[drowsy relic]

Is this class gonna need a guide

Or will it be like arbitrs where you can roll your face on the skill tree and make something viable

[novel oracle]

you can fuck up on this tree

cuz its very much you are ranged or you are melee

doing a hybrid results in you sucking at both instead of just one

[drowsy relic]

That's good

Might actually get some info for thsi class then

[spare glen]

noooooooo

[compact oyster]

what about melee with crit toxin chemist?

[tepid cosmos]

melee is still well above serviceable on a ranged hive scum build js

[compact oyster]

after seeing what cole did with desperado iunno

[fast gust]

I mean it's not an exploit, it's intended

Just like whenever a mutant clips me through a wall

It's clearly intended

[glad latch]

I came up with this, should be good I reckon.

[spare glen]

i don’t believe you even though i’ve seen more than enough proof

i think i gotta review bomb again!!!!

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/jadareloaded-jadapriint-lois-family-guy-gif-17737511078893090697

[tepid cosmos]

that means absolutely nothing in this context yam

melee is still good on a range build

i dont think so cause i saw this guy just using ranged

oranges are also a fruit

no they cant be cause i only saw an apple

[compact oyster]

i prefer pears

[glad latch]

Very realistic to break ones spine in half to perform a spin attack.

[drowsy relic]

Kazuya Mishima has been doing it for 25 years

[compact oyster]

ok i missread kez

[novel oracle]

Hyperviolence and hyper crit are antisynergistic, and hyperviolence is best with fast weapons like taxe and shivs
Be aware that enemies may just fuck off and leave cuz of the threat reduction
Adrenaline kinda needs some investment into it otherwise it can build up a little too slow and not last long enough to justify the buildup

[compact oyster]

i thought he meant melee was better than ranged on hive scum

[fast gust]

Wait till you get hit by wessex cucumber waterfal drag jpeg, where the weapon perfectly stands still before going mach10 and taking your head
Atleast enemies in this game have the decency of animating somewhat

[high gull]

Prawn gameplay

Truly

[spare glen]

cole important question if i’m running a melee that can’t deal with armor is the 25% rending worth

[novel oracle]

Still miffed that untouchable and float like a butterfly didnt get swapped like I suggested cuz i really dont want to take threat reduction on a melee build and my other option is 1 dodge on my gun

[glad latch]

I'll keep all that in mind, this is just my first attempt at a berserker chem build. Needs testing and refinement.

[novel oracle]

Idk cuz I've not ran a melee yet that had bad enough armor damage to need it

[neon fern]

i haven't looked at hive scum tree yet but just reading threat reduction makes my skin crawl

[spare glen]

go be a test subject and run heavy sword for me

[compact oyster]

all of us except testers are working with theory

[glad latch]

Yeah, exactly.

[spare glen]

sorry would you kindly go be a test subject

[novel oracle]

I remember vamp saying it was honestly kinda huge now that I think about it

Cuz he did that

[high gull]

Hoping I can somehow jury rig a aoe support chem build

[spare glen]

i knew i liked vamp for a reason

[novel oracle]

Ik im just giving you info since I have experience with the stuff, so you have more to think about

[compact oyster]

what i like about hive scum is a high crit chance

[novel oracle]

I changed my builds a lot during the finalization of the tree tvh

[compact mural]

so its mean stimm supply and chem deps bad combo?

[novel oracle]

Good luck
Crate sucks ass

[novel oracle]

Will be fixed at launch or soon after

[neon fern]

i hope crawbar is good

[novel oracle]

But even after its fixed, your stim cooldown is still your bottleneck, not the crate cooldown
So they still dont synergize

[high gull]

We've got youtube builds, trust.

🙏🏽

[glad latch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07ccca6-0ef9-418b-ae78-657210d0ab8b/resource-provider

I did throw some weird support build together, probably isn't any good though.

[novel oracle]

Thats the absolute worst thing you could've said

[high gull]

I was hoping you'd detect the sarcasm.

But them I remember you have autism...

[compact mural]

but with practical deployment and sample collector we can fully rely on stim cooldown(after fix ofc)

[high gull]

Honestly though what could possibly go wrong with a crate build...

Like really?

[north saddle]

Anyone have an idea when exactly tmr ganger will drop?

[neon fern]

after 2

[rapid mango]

in 26 hours

[glad latch]

Mostly the team mates probably.

[high gull]

I mean that's what the 15s lingering effect is for no?

Aswell as the stimm cooldown talents

[novel oracle]

But a fully invested into stim is still 75s, and sample collector realistically can only do so much, especially when you dont have a lot of the killy power from the other abilities and keystones

[north saddle]

And can someone push me into the direction of the post that said which weapons exactly theyll get?

[rapid mango]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/classes/hive-scum

[north saddle]

So around half past 3 German time?

[rapid mango]

yup

[high gull]

So what about saving it for just bossing?

[glad latch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[neon fern]

trying to play support role in dt is usually ass

[north saddle]

Jeg elsker deg 🤗

[high gull]

You say this but field improv survivalist vet exists.

With smonks

[neon fern]

yeah as i said

u just go voc and do bttr and u don't need alldat

[glad latch]

Well if the allies are dumb they'll just ignore the free buffs, that's what I was meaning.

[high gull]

Off the fent carts

Smoke nades are clutch in havoc

[novel oracle]

The crate or linger subnode effect is still only 15 seconds, so its not particularly long of an effect
And a full stim might be something like
20% atk speed
20% strength
15% crit chance
For 15s

And you exist to do that
Once every 50-70ish seconds

[neon fern]

shredder spam too good to pass

[compact mural]

maybe with hyper-critical and as much as possible crit chance from tree and bless we can get enough kills

[high gull]

So ganger just has a useless ass ability then

[rapid mango]

use it as a bomb

[novel oracle]

Hyper crit scales off of the damage you deal with that crit, so if youre not doing much damage then it can only help so much

[glad latch]

Some of the stimm nodes need big buffs, like the entire top left defence tree just seems terrible. Maybe also don't have the stim cooldown go higher then the crates base cooldown.

[novel oracle]

Ive tried and tried to make a crate build work in havoc

But it just sucks

So so bad

[glad latch]

oof.

That's a shame

[unique spire]

I am

[spare glen]

i’ll do it dw

[north saddle]

Double 1911's 😍

Time to drown the heretics in fudd lore and muh stoppingpowa

[novel oracle]

That entire side needs sweeping changes to fix the design issues
Theres clashing systems that dont mesh well and result in it being weak and unfun

[rapid mango]

i need to make a looping gif of the 1911's special first chance i get

[high gull]

Desperado it is then.

[glad latch]

hopefully FS will buff the crate up, add more effects to the base crate and make the stims stronger. Maybe also have it be viable to go without a custom stim, like you should be able to just keep using the same stim over and over again, have multiple charges for the pickup stims.

[drowsy relic]

Cole designed the right side tree for arbites logically he did the right side tree for scum

Ergo this is his fault get him

[high gull]

That's wild that a talent tree rework is already being spoken about before the class even releases.

[neon fern]

i haven't spoiled myself much but i think i'll do crowbar+dual autos and desperado

[acoustic quail]

bcs i dont buy with paypal i´ll have to try ganger till wednesday, if the payment isnt delayed

[neon fern]

and probably get the rocket launcher blitz

cuz it's a rocket launcher

can't jump with it tho...

[high gull]

I dunno man

I really really want chem nades

[rapid mango]

just stand on a barrel and pretend

[novel oracle]

We pitched chem dep as stim cdr with subnodes giving buff and nerf per stack of chem dep, like +crit chance and +damage taken per stack or something
And that alone will make the keystone much less boring, a stim heavy playstyle more fun, and crate more viable
But it needs that in addition to more changes like the stim itself

[high gull]

But I don't wanna have to reach across the aisle to use chem nades

[neon fern]

cole that's what u should do

[light phoenix]

Rocket Launcher needs a node for the rocket jump lol

[acoustic quail]

all the blitzes look strong asf

[neon fern]

tell them to let u rocket jump with the blitz

it's very important

[novel oracle]

They said no

[neon fern]

wdym

[novel oracle]

They said no

[neon fern]

fs HATES fun

[novel oracle]

Fs hates breaking their maps lmao

[acoustic quail]

what do you want to jump tho

backtracking the whole map?

[neon fern]

i want to rocket jump on top of a scab sniper

and kill it

[hardy spruce]

do the reused maps have any changes btw

in the new campaign

[acoustic quail]

😂 🥀

[novel oracle]

Rocket jump so you can die to a shotgunner mid air like a clay pigeon cuz you have no dr

[light phoenix]

I want to rocket jump into a Trapper net

[high gull]

Yeah but do you really wanna reach ALL the way to the right side to grab chem nades for any other build that isn't chemist.....

Doesn't seem worth.

[sonic pumice]

Would be fun that it isn't a high jump but a sort of dash at least

[novel oracle]

Wdym

[glad latch]

You can always use the actual chem grenade.

[high gull]

Only thing I can see chem nades synergizing with really well is like tossing a chem nade into a horde with a rampage focused build.

[rapid mango]

wdym not worth

[acoustic quail]

you are not going to believe this

[light phoenix]

Add heavy recoil to the Rocket Launcher instead sending you backwards

[neon fern]

let me rocket jump and surf ramps

[fast gust]

Noooo Cole Crate is the best thing, I would know I have touched many crates!

[neon fern]

in dt

[acoustic quail]

you mean bcs of blackout oor?

[high gull]

Blackouts aswell I suppose.

Toss a stagger nade that can apply toxin.

[acoustic quail]

the stagger is good enough

[high gull]

With the talents of course.

[acoustic quail]

you also regen em

[high gull]

Yeah that's another thing.

Like I get chem nades having their strengths but like

[neon fern]

need more movmnt

[high gull]

Why take chem nades when I can infinitely regen my nades and apply toxin.

[acoustic quail]

bcs the actual chem andes are in area, and stays for 20 secs

[glad latch]

Because it works differently, it's like a fire grenade, but for toxins.

[high gull]

Yeah I get that right....

[acoustic quail]

its also stronger apparently than the flash chem nades

[high gull]

But it's a set 3 nades vs infinitely regenning nades.

That regen for just playing the game how you normally would.

[acoustic quail]

desperado wont benefit that much

bro is ammo dump ammo regen shooter

also isnt the make enemies explode a chem grenade only thing?

[high gull]

No

[acoustic quail]

or its the chem´s effect

[high gull]

You can do that with the needle pistol aswell.

[acoustic quail]

im talking about chem nodes in the other blitzes

[high gull]

@novel oracle Might know

[acoustic quail]

ahh yeah, the node gives you less stacks

[fast gust]

Wait I just realized
Brauto

Brautor Scum

Dreg cosplaying

[light phoenix]

Is Brauto good on Hive Scum I wonder

[acoustic quail]

chem grenade applies 7 or sum like that

node grants 3

[high gull]

Yeah but I can also send everyone flying to the ground with blackouts while applying toxin.

The dot dmg from toxin is just a bit of a bonus.

The clearing of space is the big thing