hivescum-class

[reef spoke]

I'm surprised how few players know about sliding when carrying

[light linden]

even surpassing .. the infiltrate veteran? :3

[limber cradle]

Holy shit the QoL you just awoke me to

[reef spoke]

but I tend to quickplay so maybe I should have expected it

[limber cradle]

I didnt even think about that

[light linden]

i hope noone takes me seriously then

[zenith pagoda]

Is the 20% toughness regen from all sources?

[amber sundial]

Don’t take the literal one thing they have going for them away

[silver mural]

Nerf infiltrate vet

[amber sundial]

It’s coherency regen for the stim

so it’s bad

[reef spoke]

based on the wording, coherency regen only (but I haven't tested)

[zenith pagoda]

Ah that's mid

I wanted more damage reduction

What talents give the most?

[silver mural]

Tox chem node has one with 30 percent vs bosses and 15 percent everywhere else if toxic is active

[amber sundial]

This and the node right below blitz

[zenith pagoda]

Is it me or ability cooldown is pointless for desperado and rampage since they can only regen after it's duration

[amber sundial]

are the most consistent dmg resists

[pale rain]

Just saw a reddit post that hive scum use a neural shock whip. A whip would be bad ass

Something with range would be sweet. A ranged weapon. But, it probably won't happen because fatshark can't asset flip. It'd be too hard for them to do.

[light linden]

is it only the Shivs that get built-in backstab modifier, or do Combat Blades (knives) also have it?

[bronze glade]

knives get it too

[swift crescent]

Do ammo crates restore the thrown shivs?

[silver mural]

I wonder how combat blade is with the crit toxic stack node

[silver mural]

Thats a good question, i know kills do. Elites are 1, ogryns 2, bosses 3

Specials might as well

[versed spruce]

I still think Pickpocket is an insane talent

Gonna need a sizable cooldown unless there's already a hidden one

[silver mural]

It is insane, but tbf psyker is allowed infinite ammo ranged options so its not that crazy

[light linden]

i was about to write, does Pickpocket allow the Hive Scum to become as damaging as a Psyker?

[pale rain]

I'd love a ranged melee weapon. A whip, spear or even a polearm of some sort.

[silver mural]

Its basicslly infinite ammo

If below 20 percent ammo reserve snd you kill a special or elite, gain ammo till you are back to 20 percent

[versed spruce]

At least psyker has to manage it with peril

Not to say psyker isn't busted but two wrongs are still two wrongs

[light linden]

would Pickpocket be more busted on Ogryn than Hive Scum?

[silver mural]

I just feel that its less op as a gun being busted

[versed spruce]

Rumbler exists -> Yes

[silver mural]

Like many guns with infinite ammo are still not really broken

[versed spruce]

It's removing an entire aspect of the game that the class already has multiple ways of circumventing

[drifting heron]

You could just rip rumbler with zero limitations instead of "get a few melee kills"

[light linden]

seeing Cole shoot forever with an Autogun in Havoc 40 didnt seem very busted, but that was only a representation of the Autogun ofc

[versed spruce]

The dual shredders seem to kill just about everything very well other than crushers

[silver mural]

Yeah its less game breaking and more insane QOL. As long as hive scum doesnt get any ranged options that have to have ammo limits to be balanceds its okay

Hive scums insane ammo efficiency is a big reason why alot of its guns work well at higher diffs as well.

Like this class can make any auto weapon reach viable levels

[light linden]

i'd assume the Hive Scum's unique weapons will be more powerful than the shared weapons, similar to how it was for Arbites. so curious to see how infinite ammo will play out on dual autopistol, stub pistols, and even needle pistol

[silver mural]

From what ive gathered, some streamers sre testing out double barrel.

I want to try bolt pistol myself cuz i personally love the gun but it wont be meta i dont think

[drifting heron]

Yeah bistol is probably strictly inferior to needler

[silver mural]

Doesnt shredder have a bleed stack blessing?

[drifting heron]

No

[light linden]

afraid not

[silver mural]

Omg its the shotgun or smth isnt it

Flechette or smtb

[drowsy relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1444257838028427426/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-11-29_3-02-38_AM.mp4?ex=692c0d6d&is=692abbed&hm=deaba0c3583686d8dda0e3aa96b60659407ef37d321816822d4d807cf7b290cc&

[light linden]

flechette on shotgun, yea 🙂

[silver mural]

Obviously crit shottie is gonna be the most op combo ever played

[light linden]

is this on auric difficulty?

[drowsy relic]

yup

[tight hinge]

the superior exe stance

[drifting heron]

Epic left mouse gameplay

[light linden]

it seems okay enough. a bit one-dimensional perhaps to just shoot all the time

[tight hinge]

W+M1 stance

[silver mural]

You gotta become one with the dakka

[drowsy relic]

Nah superior castigator stance

[light linden]

hehe. i remember i became one with the dakka back in 2023 when the shredder autopistol was OP

[tight hinge]

its just insane increasing duration on kill

[drowsy relic]

It has diminishing returns

after 20 seconds

[tepid cosmos]

you can easily do this with the inf auto, braced auto and shredder on the class as well although they dont really have the charm of the dual autos imo

[light linden]

executioner's stance also increases duration on kill though 🙂

[tight hinge]

ah fair

[tepid cosmos]

mostly cause of pick your targets

[patent bone]

Hey hey people

Drunk here

[silver mural]

The increase also caps out, i think the cap is 20 seconds. So in theory you could kill 30 pox walkers but you arent getting 30 seconds worth of extra time despite it being 1 second per kill (before it gets diminishing returns)

[low harbor]

after 20s the extension is reduced

it's not 0 extension

I think 0.2s per kill lol

it's much more of a ranged ult than veteran's exe stance

[silver mural]

When i say cap, i just mean the timer itself. You arent capped to 20 seconds total

[low harbor]

exe stance is more utility than ranged dps at this point

[tepid cosmos]

sir with exe stance you can wipe an entire room of enemies from a safety before they know you are there going from target to target 1 hitting them

for an expert on veteran you sure do fucking waffle at times path

[silver mural]

What im saying is that if you murder 100 poxwalkers in 2 seconds you arent getting extra time for every poxwalker

[light linden]

executioner's stance is a sharpshooter ability that lets you pick off specialists and key targets at extreme ranges. desperado is more up-close. different uses 🙂

[tepid cosmos]

exe stance and desperado are solving completely different problems

[silver mural]

You refill the bar to a certian cap, its the refill that diminishes but the cap is always there from what i saw from streams

[bronze glade]

I mean tbf the buffs that ES gives are pretty general

[silver mural]

No everyone knows all ranged buffs are identical and vet is replaced by hive scum wreeeeeeee

[light linden]

executioner's stance with Enhanced Target Priority also lets teammates see highlights constantly now, which makes the whole team more aware of specialists coming in

[tepid cosmos]

for instance in the last build I got to play some areas of a map where imossible without abilities up the bridge on chasm staion at the start with a range seed was one of the most noticeable

[bronze glade]

Except for ranged damage obv

[tepid cosmos]

that was just the death of the hive scum colourised

[low harbor]

yes but it's much more than that

to me, the ranged dmg component of stance is more of a secondary benefit

compared to stun immune + wallhack + tgh/s

[silver mural]

Its BATH. Put some DAMN RESPECT on their NAME

[lost token]

Exestance is overlapping damage steroids and utility for better gunplay and now with survivability but it's not enabling you to totally ignore something like ranged damage.

[tepid cosmos]

vet is also in general just alot more sturdy than hive scum

[silver mural]

Yeah vet is basically an unkillable tank by comparison. Imagine regaining tough, couldnt be me

Imagine the utter fucking shift you would feel if you played scum for 100 games then switched to ogryn

[low harbor]

not saying stance isn't a good ranged dmg ult, just that I find the utility aspect of it a bigger boon overall than its ranged dmg bonus

[light linden]

executioner's stance by itself won't let the veteran tank damage, but when you add in all the other means a sharpshooter veteran has at regenerating toughness after the rework, it becomes quite tanky against ranged enemies

[low harbor]

the ranged dmg bonus is sizeable enough to change breakpoints

which I like

[light linden]

@low harborare you called Path in-game?

[lost token]

Vet is sturdy until it's literally broken.

[silver mural]

What i like for desperado is walking into those 12 gunner spawns and clicking a button to absolutely style on them

[low harbor]

also I don't think I'm some sorta unchallengeable expert so I welcome diff opinions on this

[low harbor]

noe

[lost token]

Like resistance wise.

[light linden]

fits the "mayhem" theme of the class very well

[tepid cosmos]

like there is alot of people talking about how this class is making vet pointless etc etc cause oh desperado oh infinite ammo

but like exe stance and desperado are approaching the game in completely different ways

and arguably vets best gun rn (helbore) basically has infinite ammo anyway

[silver mural]

I run so i must gun

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dmc-dante-dmc-3-crazy-pose-gif-5989027024621158435

[silver mural]

I dakka, therefore i dakka

Dakka dakka dakka dakka

[high gull]

Praying for gold guns

[light linden]

i've been playing sharpshooter veteran with helbore all week in havoc 31-40 with friends. i'm living the dream again after the rework.. 😍

[lost token]

Can also play in cqc with it but the mileage and what one has to do becomes very very different. You're racing to maintain killstreak momentum and extensions that are very different than scum.

Scum, from footage I've seen and reading I've actually done really does want the player to proactively engage in a way that's very different than veteran and has those tools to do so.

[low harbor]

ya but I'm not one of them

[flint granite]

If only we could steal a relic blade so we could go full dante mode

[low harbor]

I never said hvs was gonna be making vet obsolete

[silver mural]

The silencers on the mac 10s were a great choice. I love the silenced clickiety clicks

[tepid cosmos]

i was only glancing the convo :3

[low harbor]

hvs's gimmick is pretty straightforward to me
hyperaggressive dps class, needs a good frontline to enable ur bs

[silver mural]

Ur on the fucking hot seat now

[drowsy relic]

I would not pay attention to the opinions of idiots of reddit for your own mental sanity.

The sooner you realise they're all hard stuck malice players the better for your mental health

[low harbor]

I think hvs prob is 3rd best class overall

[limber cradle]

If you look at scum and think it's a vet replacement god can't even help you

[lost token]

We'd have to see fwiw.

And from where I'm at at the very least, ain't no way vet exestance gets dented. If anything it literally can have the potential to actually shit on some of the flow that scum may want in the immediate moment. Or just straight up support scum from whatever range so long as it's a gun causing the issues.

[limber cradle]

Is my take

[silver mural]

Its best class cuz it has performance enhancing drugs and is therefore cheating

[tepid cosmos]

there is a good few things we want to have changed but alas the immoveable wall of deadlines

we shall see what happens next year

i cant yap though cause NDA

[silver mural]

I fucking love cheating

[light linden]

it's easy to instantly lash out when someone come close to saying "hive scum is just a better X class" 😝 sorry

[tepid cosmos]

i think the class is landing in a pretty serviceable spot and thats good

[low harbor]

yea but I kinda don't care for those opinions lol

it's a really high potential class

which puts it up to the top 3

but

[lost token]

LEXBREAKERS OF THE NDA! YOU HAVE SULLIED THE CONTRACT OF THE CORPO! YOU SHALL RECEIVE JUDGEMENT

[low harbor]

psyker mogs everybody still

and vet has more util going on overall with more versatile kit

[silver mural]

Psyker with their silly willy abilities

Being all silly willy

[tepid cosmos]

catfish will kill me she knows where i live and my name

[low harbor]

but hvs can basically get power sword tier dps with rampage on any melee

[lost token]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

WHERE ARE THE DOCKETS?!

[silver mural]

The only role hive scum is truly replacing is zealot as the crackhead of the group

[low harbor]

which makes them really incredible roamers

[near mauve]

"x class is dead" is just "i dont know how to play said class" in disguise

[low harbor]

kinda taking a fotf zealot's job in a way

[silver mural]

Like when arbites replaced both vet and ogryn at the same time

[tepid cosmos]

zealot is alot less made of paper though

[low harbor]

yea so there is tradeoff between them and I think it is a good thing

[silver mural]

Zealot has alot more front in their front line

[high gull]

I wish the average gamer wasn't a glue sniffer

I really do

[light linden]

im curious if hive scum will manage to break into the havoc trend where im seeing a lot of groups favor using taunt-voc-bubble-chorus

[silver mural]

Thunder hammer is also still a zealot special afaik

[low harbor]

z is better at front, hvs is better as roamer

[silver mural]

Or did the TH get nerfed

[near mauve]

fotf is still amazing for me but feels like every melee character has fotf plus now
bullrush on ogryn knocks over 10 billion things and bleeds them, break the line is break the line, rampage is the new funny haha in town

[tepid cosmos]

it was fun in havoc from what i played of havoc

[near mauve]

yum yum tasty glue

[lost token]

Essentially. It can actually sustain getting smacked up. Zealot wants to manage getting busted up. Scum wants to prove that it can hardly get touched.

[high gull]

I don't see why not, you have on demand dmg reduction, cooldown, attack speed, rending.

[low harbor]

if stim crate gets fixed, probably

[drowsy relic]

I didn't realise hvs was an abbreviation of hive scum I'm so fucking stupid lmfao

[near mauve]

at this point just say ganger

tf is hvs

hiv

[tepid cosmos]

the other abiliies also scale pretty well in havoc

[bronze glade]

correct abbrevation is HIV

[low harbor]

hive scum

[silver mural]

Ganger is the next class, this is scum its very different ;)

[low harbor]

my abbreviation

[near mauve]

i know it just sounds funny

[low harbor]

I have the unique ability of gaslighting people into using my abbreviations

[bronze glade]

HIVe sCUM

or HIV for short

[near mauve]

hiv zel vet ogy psy arb

[tepid cosmos]

prep is your friend

[low harbor]

Veteran = vet
Zealot = z
Psyker (derogatory)
Ogryn = og
Arbites = arb
Hive scum = hvs

[near mauve]

Z

[silver mural]

Im a twink on prep, i can do anything

[near mauve]

O G

[tepid cosmos]

SO TRUE

[candid flare]

You're not stupid the "v" is redundant an unnecessary.
Hive
Scum

[deft sleet]

?

[tepid cosmos]

people like @high gull dont understand this

[lost token]

Hive scum: we got prep at home.

[Proceeds to actually synthesize prep meds]

[drowsy relic]

why not just scum or are you trying to avoid potentially insulting someone?

[candid flare]

Not

Hi
Ve
Scum

[low harbor]

ik I am very creative with these

[high gull]

Do not @ me

[low harbor]

trying not to insult

[normal steeple]

meant to tag @novel oracle

[high gull]

I await the day your balding starts

[tepid cosmos]

always so horrible unless you want something

hmph

[deft sleet]

Ah, all good

[silver mural]

Is it cole harassing time?

[high gull]

It's how this relationship works.

🤌🏽

Bam isn't around as often.

You're the next best thing.

[near relic]

:<

[lost token]

Alternatively, eat him like a cartoon fish.

[tepid cosmos]

shes basically been living at her job needs to learn how to say no to extra shifts

[high gull]

That poor girl is gonna work herself into a coma

[silver mural]

:>

[high gull]

She needs to chill the fuck out

Like the job is gonna be there

Your sanity is worth more than any fuck ass job

[drowsy relic]

I think I saw someone put the hive scum quite well
"Some fucking morons are gonna drag it into havoc 40 to prove how 'OP the new class is' and die horribly and then it's going to be an annoying time. But I think a good hive scum is going to be a force to be reckoned with."

[patent bone]

HIVE SCUM FOR LIFEEE!!!!

GANGER LYFEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/lWOGpldYv4Q.gif

[patent bone]

Who?

[light linden]

definitely all good things. it just seems to me that when playing with randoms through party finger, people favor ogryn-veteran-psyker first because it yields a good success rate when playing with unknown players. ofc, a skilled pre-made group can make a lot of builds work. last havoc i did tonight was with three veterans and a psyker. it remains to be seen if hive scum can change people perception

[low harbor]

rampage is way way way way stronger than fotf sorry

[lost token]

I've been excited ever since I've going through footage and reviewing that Kuli guide.

[high gull]

I feel like Chemist in general will be a main pick cause like

Area of denial

Team support

[lost token]

I've been getting to eat this entire time.

[unreal stirrup]

lmao 1 empowered hit get fucking shit on by 10 fucking seconds of 100% damage increase

not that hard to figure out

[patent bone]

I just want my dual stubbies

[light linden]

yea, it seems the support branch of each class' talent tree is the most popular in pick-up groups

[lost token]

Dps is team support.

[near relic]

I do not know how to interpret this

[low harbor]

it's up to 75%

[tepid cosmos]

cartels arent gangs in 40k

they are on rungs far above gangs to the point the extort most gangs for protection and the privilege of operating in their sector of the hive are usually involved in organised crime, or contract killings, have connections to nobles and their main income tends to come from tithe disruption

[high gull]

The last time I heard this was on my honor mode run of BG3

[lost token]

Is the dps not supporting the team?

[high gull]

I don't wanna hear it too

[silver mural]

10? Try 30 plus

[high gull]

Liiiisten

Liiiiiisten

[lost token]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[low harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[unreal stirrup]

you get at least 10s of it

[patent bone]

Tomato tomato

GANGER LYFEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[high gull]

If I can spray can mega fent into a zealot's face and spin them into a horde like a bayblade

I'm gonna do it

[young herald]

per press, yeah, but zealot can hit FOTF like a billion times for each time the scum hits rampage

[silver mural]

True, i was just reiterating the point in a cheeky manner

[low harbor]

no

[high gull]

Plus can't toxin also apply debuffs?

[patent bone]

Fuck it I'm making a true desperado build for my allies

[unreal stirrup]

no? 😭

[near mauve]

kinda crazy how people still think this is a "hobo" class when its an actual criminal org and pretty sure the characters are leaders in it lmao

[candid flare]

Gangers are hood rats, Cartels are like the mafia
Think Godlfather but grimdark

[light linden]

one of the zealots i play with will always kill every DH in a havoc 40 run, and he kills them before they attack back, cuz he thinks he's doing the universe a favor. is this something rampage can do too? zealot is an extremely good boss-killer

[tepid cosmos]

with certain talents, chem nades also reduce enemy hitmass

[high gull]

So basically they're the mob

And the hive scum are made men

[tepid cosmos]

ye

[patent bone]

Fair point. But we ARE scum!!

[high gull]

So you're essentially a lieutenant in a major organization.

[low harbor]

z gets like 15s CD for FotF (12s if using the 20% refresh node)
hvs gets like 9s downtime between rampage with cd rate stim

[lost token]

Delirium is winning holy shit

[unreal stirrup]

I mean you can stack overkill like crazy + rampage

[near relic]

This makes things much clearer

[young herald]

it's fairly likely scum will not have one shots on dhosts, but I'd be very surprised if they couldn't delete dhosts before they can activate as well

[candid flare]

Classy Scum

[patent bone]

Hive Scum are more mercenaries that the Cartels hire out

[high gull]

That makes sense with the conversation between the ganger and the arby when she said she's not gonna get arrested because she has friends in high places.

[patent bone]

I DON'T WANNA WEAR NO FANCY SUIT!!!

[silver mural]

Tbf gangs in 40k can also have house status and have equivalent power to a noble house. So the title isnt actually a specific kind of thing

[lost token]

What's a goon to a goblin?

[tepid cosmos]

bounty hunters would fit this niche, the character creator specifically says we are cartel officers

[high gull]

The description says they're officers in the cartels.

[low harbor]

if ur talking abt meme boss 1 tap, hvs doesn't take that gimmick away from z
but it's not a great gimmick most of the time

[novel oracle]

yes, its based on the actual damage you deal of the hit

[high gull]

So you were someone of some importance in the criminal underworld.

[candid flare]

"You come to me, on the day of my daughter's wedding.
Dressed like that!?!?"

[high gull]

Probably not a major big shot...

But you had a rep.

[patent bone]

I was reading the Lexicanum where it said they're hired guns more than made men. They can be highly valued mercs, but still mercs

[novel oracle]

if their remaining health is less than 2x the damage of the crit attack you dealt, it will instakill them

[high gull]

I mean ehh...

[novel oracle]

it is melee only btw

[drifting heron]

Its like the GK talent but less busted

[patent bone]

"Yeh"

[high gull]

Bounty hunters would be our irl equivalent of sicarios

They're killers tied to a bigger org

[silver mural]

The cartels and their members are referred to as gangers and gangs. These arent really supposed to be like specific terms with strict definitions.

The water cartel is called that because someone thought it sounded cool

[candid flare]

"You got starch In ya, I like that"

[novel oracle]

well more busted on paper but less in reality cuz theres more enemies with less health here

cuz GK is 4x

[patent bone]

Well one of the personalities IS a Bounty Hunter

[light linden]

i wouldn't call it a meme or gimmick though. it's part of the zealot's kit/capability. he's sawing through carapace, hordes, and whatever comes around between these boss spawns, being a solid frontline melee fighter

[novel oracle]

which is way higher of a criteria

[tepid cosmos]

[patent bone]

"I got more than starch, if ya wanna check~"

[high gull]

Yeah but if you listen to dude talk

[tepid cosmos]

i dont really see anarchist making it to the rank of officer myself though i really wonder how he pulled that one off

[lost token]

Still trying to find the rest of any dialogue for the personalities.

[high gull]

He specifically says he kills people who he gets paid to kill

[tepid cosmos]

cause he seems like a fucking lunatic

[high gull]

Brother that's a hitman

Not a bounty hunter

Or you know what..

It could be

Not every bounty hunter has to be good.

[lost token]

Ye olde anarchist media stereotype

[drifting heron]

Wait how is it more busted on paper if the GK threshold is easier

[candid flare]

"Some big wig up on that there ship in orbit says they wanna hire ya. Show them and make us look good"

[patent bone]

Hive Scum ARE unpredictable

[silver mural]

Yeah we cant think of 40k bounties like irl bounties

[patent bone]

"Show em?! Say less!"
Readies three rocket launchers

[silver mural]

They just mean they kill for money, not that they only kill criminals

[high gull]

I was thinking more of the blue guy from starwars

I forgot his name

But he wore a duster and had tubes near his cheeks

[lost token]

Bounty hunting is do dirt activity for the state

But without official connection often.

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-book-of-boba-fett-cad-bane-the-clone-wars-the-bad-batch-gif-24749547

This guy

[silver mural]

I know the guy, he shows up alot in the clone wars

Cad bane

I remembered

[high gull]

That's the name

[candid flare]

Yass

[silver mural]

I fucking brain blasted

[candid flare]

Though.

[high gull]

He's a technically evil bounty hunter

Or a immoral one.

[candid flare]

We can't talk about bounty hunters without giving love to the GOAT.

[high gull]

Boba?

[candid flare]

Long live the Fett legacy

[lost token]

Get wormed idiot.

[tepid cosmos]

outlaw telling professional vet they should play cards sometime so he can teach him how life isnt fair is funny

[high gull]

He survived that didn't he?

[tepid cosmos]

basically implying he is gonna cheat and scam him lol

[high gull]

The sarlacc pit

[silver mural]

He did survive yes

[high gull]

What's the banter like between LC and HS

[silver mural]

And became a goverment official of some kind

[high gull]

[silver mural]

Idk what the deal is with his show but hes clearly a leader of smth

[lost token]

Bounty hunting is a job where you fulfill orders that state powers aren't about to directly support so...yk.

[light linden]

@tepid cosmos kez, do you know if the Chem Grenade is just a better Immolation Grenade in every way? or does Immolation have something in its favor still? (radius? duration? dmg against unarmored?)

[tepid cosmos]

there is one voice line where outlaw asks him about his past and he says something along the line of he was discharged for a clash of personalities

hive scum replies with oh?

and he goes ye I had my personality and my CO didnt like it and it clashed all over his brain matter

[patent bone]

They like LC more than the others for sure, but the LC kinda dislikes the Anarchist

[high gull]

Was gonna say

Buddy was taking jobs from everyone who fronted the money

And the way it sounds

[silver mural]

Bounty hunters in america also catch people who run from their court dates and in the wild west killed or captured criminals. So its not always under the table, at least thats the vibe im getting from your comments

[high gull]

BH had a rep since before the collapse

[patent bone]

"Oi, aslong as I gets paid, we gots no worries, mate"

[silver mural]

But yeah this bounty hunter takes contracts from whoever can pay

Whether its legal or illegal

[tepid cosmos]

its really good sadly i dont really use immol grenade or play zealot all that much I would say yes from gut feeling and eye balling other players @novel oracle could answer more he is a zealot gamer

[high gull]

Which makes me think BH had some type of immunity politically.

[patent bone]

Most of the time, whenever BH kills a special they usually shout "Bounty down". So they getting paid Hella to kill heretics

My kindred spirit

[high gull]

That shit would be hilarious if your team got a higher docket payout for each boss killed with a BH in the party.

[silver mural]

Not typically, they tend to have good connections and are lucky at avoiding the law. Jericho in their comics clearly is being hunted actively while doing their job

[tepid cosmos]

there is both sanctioned bounty hunters and unsanctioned ones I think ours might be the latter kind, but the conclave seems to have backing that makes their higher up agents immune to the lex

[high gull]

So pause

Pause pause pause

[lost token]

Oh yeah. The point there is is that state powers aren't providing manpower nor resources. Bounties in this context were more about law enforcment needing to find a way to preserve manpower and funds to effectively have a stand-in cop to do cop shit with even less oversight (negative levels of it)

[high gull]

There's Cartels

Then there's the conclave

Is the Conclave like the over arching org?

Like a committe of bosses?

[patent bone]

The Inquisition COULD hire then full time like one I know.

[tepid cosmos]

im assuming the conclave is the sort of thing we see on alot of worlds that is put in place so gangs dont bring down the wrath of heavens on their operations. So it sets out things like this is your area, we dont war here, we dont do this etc etc

[patent bone]

I'm guessing the conclave is the collection of Cartel leaders

[high gull]

So it's like a council of cartel bosses?

[tepid cosmos]

ye

[high gull]

So hold on then...

If you're affiliated with a cartel right

[hushed hollow]

I feel bad for Zelot with his knives being a yeetable with the shivs special

[high gull]

But your ganger reports to the conclave?

[candid flare]

Mercenaries take contracts, bounty hunters specifically collect posted bounties.

[high gull]

Are you then like some super important ganger?

[hot nexus]

Yeah

[high gull]

Cause like even in the trailer

[hot nexus]

You’re a gang champion essentially

[high gull]

It foremost mentions you being a representative of the conclave first

[tepid cosmos]

ye but depending on how high up you are / expendable they might let you fall to the enforcers or the arbites depending on your fuck up

like little john pushing stimms on the corner of the carnival is most likely replaceable

[flint granite]

We're the cream of the crop of the most rotten cream (but not the heritical kind of rot)

[patent bone]

Like Zola not paying her share

[high gull]

Okay so this completely fucks over my inital assumption....

You're not a cartel liutenant

You're like a captain or underboss?

I assume you'd have to have some type of high status to be working and speaking with nobles

And for them to reach out to your for work.

[candid flare]

Hired gun

Mercenary

John wick

[tepid cosmos]

you are an officer of a specific cartel so you are high up in one cartel
those cartels are part of the conclave
the conclave has entered a pact with the inquisition (that involves alot of money)
as a trusted officer you have been sent to represent the conclaves interest in the warband and ensure they get that pay day

[candid flare]

Scum wick

[silver mural]

Mercenaries dont nescessarily kill specific people though, its a wider category that includes pseudo military organizations that fight wars for pay.

I think hitman was a better description of what the bountyhunter was like before, but now technically they are all mercenaries of a sort lol. But tbf words dont have to be all that specific. They are made up anyways.

[flint granite]

Modders replace the shivs with pencils pls

[candid flare]

Yes language is like playdough

[high gull]

Okay so like brotherman said earlier.

You're more like a cartel champion?

[tepid cosmos]

ye

[flint granite]

Yeah

[high gull]

Okay it all makes sense now.

[flint granite]

It's like how our guardsmen aren't just guardsmen, they're veterans

[high gull]

That explains alot now that I think on it.

Like being able to make your own drugs on the mourningstar unimpeded

[drifting heron]

I think they used Fixer somewhere but I can't find it

[high gull]

Or using guns the other classes aren't allowed to touch

[flint granite]

I'd do anything for akimbo pistols on vet tbh

[tepid cosmos]

we already have drill bits, prison shanks and surgical scissors so why not lol

[silver mural]

Technically veteran status isnt nescessarily all that hard to get... id say our vet is better. Like a kasrkin or other special forces equivalent

[high gull]

Isn't the Cadian vet Kasrkin?

[flint granite]

Nah not explicitly

[lost token]

Everyone seems to be a veteran of the guard the longer they happen to not die.

[silver mural]

Im not sure, i dont play vet

[tepid cosmos]

cutthroat description implies he fought in the 13th black crusade and the other two seem to have pretty storied pasts

they also all talk about having fought and won against chaos space marines in the past

[silver mural]

In some editions a vet was anyone who survived a battle as wars were really that bloody

[candid flare]

Prettysure if you live past day 1 you're a vet

[high gull]

That doesn't seem all too hard

A magnet grenade

[flint granite]

I think they still are

[high gull]

And badaboom badabam

[tepid cosmos]

with the right equipment ye

[high gull]

Your uncle's name is Sam

[silver mural]

Totally possible, but i dont want to overstate my knowledge

[novel oracle]

its basically better
im not gonna sugarcoat it

[silver mural]

Im not a big guard player

[high gull]

But does it apply debuffs?

[silver mural]

I play leagues of votann

[novel oracle]

its slightly smaller in radius

[novel oracle]

toxin and some hitmass reduction

[high gull]

He enjoys the mini people

[novel oracle]

6 stacks of toxin

which is a lot

[candid flare]

Based Space Dwarves

[flint granite]

Cole how is DB on scum

[candid flare]

I wanted a legionairre as the new class so bad

[silver mural]

Thats a grudgin

[high gull]

People aren't gonna hear me out til they see me shooting the ground around large clumps of bulwarks

[silver mural]

I play dwarves in fantasy as well

But in aos i have goblins

[candid flare]

Am about as close as human being can get to one in real life so I've vibed with them ever since I was young.

[flint granite]

I play guard and chaos marines so I can fill the role of hero or villain around the shop

[silver mural]

I cannot even grow facial hair lmao

[light linden]

thanks 🙂

[silver mural]

I am 26 for context

[candid flare]

My beard would get me excommunicated, but I have the bodytype

[tepid cosmos]

there is alot of misinformation that floats around about the guard and alot of it comes from the authors of space marine books

[silver mural]

More like fodder and freedom fighter amirite

[tepid cosmos]

ah yes the faction that wins 95% of it conflicts is useless yep yep yep

[flint granite]

That's my emotional support flayed face of a priest

[silver mural]

95 percent is definitely not a backed up statistic XD

[tepid cosmos]

its in one of the codexs actually i forgor what one off the top of my head

[flint granite]

They're still fodder tho, that's why I play em LOL

[silver mural]

Yeah and custodes win 100 percent of their fights

[tepid cosmos]

codexs also have kino quotes like the one about anyone calling the lasgun weak has never charged into a firing line of thousands of them

[candid flare]

Yes they win because they have more fodder to throw

[flint granite]

Drown them in bodies

[silver mural]

And the imperials are doing great

[flint granite]

All survivors are granted veterancy

Then we recruit more men

[silver mural]

Gman is definitely not currently in a constant state of "wtf"

[novel oracle]

actually kill myself

the audio is fucked up

the saw is making no noise

and maulers can do that shit

[flint granite]

JESUS CHRIST

[novel oracle]

[candid flare]

Should be side dodging crushers, not backwards. Just asking to get clipped by the edge of their range

[silver mural]

Maulee hid behind 2 ogryns and waited for the perfect chance

[flint granite]

"scum is so op guys fs can't balance"

[high gull]

Wait

So what's the point of chem grenades when blackout nades exist

[silver mural]

Erm akshully it was a maulee

[high gull]

With pocket toxin?

[silver mural]

Chem reduces mass and last a lot longer

[flint granite]

Mass reduction is huge

[silver mural]

Throw a chem in a chokepoint with a horde and its not even comparable to the stacks a few flashbangs output

[high gull]

I suppose yeah

I was just looking at the fact that you can stagger themaswell as apply toxin

Plus the free recharges

[tepid cosmos]

all 3 of the blitzs are really good

[silver mural]

Chem definitely seems best to support a melee centric kinda build

[tepid cosmos]

chem bomb was my fav though

[silver mural]

But then again, idk what im talking about

:)

[flint granite]

Really interested in getting my hands on these guys, I'm gonna die so much

[tepid cosmos]

blinder is really good on melee builds especially cause you can make them do 3 stacks of toxin with that one talent

[silver mural]

Cant wait to catch up to the zealot speedrunners so we can both die far away from.the team

[flint granite]

finally someone to match the zealots freak

[scenic viper]

Does the crowbar have a blessing to deal more damage to caparace and flak armored enemies?

[drifting heron]

It has Can Opener

[candid flare]

As long as it has sckullcrusher and thrust it'll be fine

[silver mural]

I believe it has a minor version of thrust built in

Kinda like how the mac 10s can sprint fire without run and gun from what ive gathered

[candid flare]

Cool. Likely will be my fave melee

[drifting heron]

I'll give you 7.5% strength per stack of thrust and Opportunist

[silver mural]

It also has a bonus to damage everytime you change its mode afaik

[drowsy relic]

I called that lmfao

[silver mural]

I think epic cole has a vid on it i watched

[flint granite]

That's such good flavor

[low harbor]

no, 13th black crusade survivor
he does have a "kasrkin doubletap" line tho

[scenic viper]

Which operative gets along the most with the hivescum

Like

[drifting heron]

Wait it has 2 defense stats

[scenic viper]

In voicelines

[candid flare]

W0t

[silver mural]

Outlaw appears friendly with ogryns

[high gull]

@tepid cosmos I dunno if I'm being lied to or there's misinfo

[scenic viper]

Obviously

[high gull]

But I'm watching the bitz video

[silver mural]

Outlaw in general is a safe bet to be friendly with classes

[drifting heron]

Aww it doesn't have the goofy split ds5 does

[silver mural]

Im sorry :(

[flint granite]

"OOOOOOOY YER A BIG ONE AINT YE"

[high gull]

And I coulda swore this man said chem nades have a talent that applies rending

[silver mural]

You are very obscurant

[tepid cosmos]

the rending scaling on toxin is practically non existent

[high gull]

So are there talents to put more oomph into tox nades?

[tepid cosmos]

atleast that is my understanding of it unless something changed or ive been living a lie for the last two months @novel oracle

[silver mural]

There is a 10 percent tox chem damage node

[tepid cosmos]

professional and cutthroat vets hate the outlaw guts so im assuming they hate the the other ones

the ogryns seem to like them

and im assuming heavy ogryn fits right in cause he is also a hive scum

[nocturne robin]

CLEARLY arb gets along the most with hive scum 😏

[silver mural]

Im curious if tox chem will be the best boss killer or if it will be crowbar with rampage or even a specific gun with desperado

[bronze glade]

there's a talent that makes it apply more tox stacks

[high gull]

Okay so what I'm seeing is

[candid flare]

Both.
Drop nade and crowbar while it ticks for beast dps

[high gull]

E popped a rending stimm

Then threw a nade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1FD2isKgc&t=325s

[bronze glade]

rending won't do much for tox

[high gull]

8:40

[drifting heron]

Yeah chem dot has .9 vs unyielding

[tepid cosmos]

wait for coles answer but from what i know from testing and what devs said rending should be doing next to nothing for toxin cause the scaling is so low

[drifting heron]

Rending isn't doing much

[tepid cosmos]

or im fucking dumb

[bronze glade]

ig tbf

[novel oracle]

so uh

lol

its not gonna do much for you

[bronze glade]

yeah ok rending makes it a bit better against cara lol

that's about it

don't caer about infested

[novel oracle]

by giving it 1/10th more of its damage

[bronze glade]

oh wait

[high gull]

SO buddy is wasting a talent slot?

[bronze glade]

can void shields get tox DOTs lol

[tepid cosmos]

average mister e build

[drifting heron]

DoT can continue to tick against a shield after application

[high gull]

smh

[bronze glade]

i mean this is why you don't watch mainstream tubers for builds

[high gull]

Is rending useful on the rocket launcher?

[tepid cosmos]

honestly never tried it

[high gull]

I made that mistake years ago with a claeystetics build

[tepid cosmos]

its doing around 10k before any buffs

[drifting heron]

Oh yeah the launcher has backblast

[candid flare]

Ignores bulwark shield lmao

[patent bone]

HIVE SCUUUUMMMMM

I eepy

But cannot

I stay awake

[light linden]

perhapst to make it more equal to kraks?

[candid flare]

I love it.

[patent bone]

Imagine if Backblast was a real thing

[high gull]

It is

[nocturne robin]

hmmm..........

[patent bone]

That'd wipe the squad

[high gull]

It literally is a mechanic on the rocke launcher

[nocturne robin]

so chem nades and rocket launcher are both grenade pickup

sadge

[patent bone]

Well RIP my teammates behind me

[tepid cosmos]

both really strong

[drifting heron]

Look up exactly 3 messages

[high gull]

The back blast doesn't effect teammates

But other mobs

It knocks them on their ass and applies a single stack of burn

[patent bone]

Oh well then

[high gull]

But it works as a 360 knock down

[patent bone]

I have been corrected

[drifting heron]

(120)

[high gull]

?

[drifting heron]

The angle of the backblast is 120 behind

[light linden]

every time i look at the missile launcher icon, it looks like the launcher is dripping in toxins to my eyes.. but it's just the handles 😵‍💫 doesn't help that the icon is green

[high gull]

I saw dude shoot the rocket launcher with a gunner infront of him

And it knocked it down

Sent him flying back actually.

[bronze glade]

will we have cosmetics for the rocket launcher

[patent bone]

I wanna write "PISS FART" on my launcher

[high gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1FD2isKgc&t=325s

13:10

Watch

[bronze glade]

no

[high gull]

The gunner is infront of him

[bronze glade]

it's mr. e

not giving him a click

[high gull]

And still gets sent backwards

[drifting heron]

I think thats it starting inside the probably goofy looking hitbox

[high gull]

Maybe

[patent bone]

I need to unlock my penance cosmetic before I use rocket launcher tho ;-;

[drifting heron]

Because the gunner still gets flung backwards

I wonder if you can get it to groaner 1 tap

[brittle sierra]

https://cdn.displate.com/artwork/857x1200/2024-05-08/8be1222037e7a5cc88b827172ba2596a_19c5ea02fccdbb4d1241e303bb5beab1.jpg

[light linden]

is one of the hive scum's personalities called bounty hunter?

[patent bone]

Yes

The other two is Outlaw and Anarchist

I'm going Bounty Hunter

[rustic axle]

...it has backblast

[light linden]

thanks

just looking for videos where the female bounty hunter is heard, but not finding any

[candid flare]

I'm going purely off of vibe In the moment when I pick my Scums backstory and voice

[brittle sierra]

guys

i think it has a backblast

[patent bone]

I will happily spend 50000 thrones just to change my voice but keep everything else

[candid flare]

But does it have 360 degree backlast or 120

[brittle sierra]

[candid flare]

Or does it just give good backshots

[rustic axle]

Seems like 360 degree

[broken dirge]

The landlord finding me after my perfect auric streak got ruined by some dude obliterating me in a launcher backblast

[flint granite]

LOL

[broken dirge]

Could you imagine if desperado worked with the launcher

We'd see an evolution to the game

I wonder if there'll be rocket jumping

[high gull]

Imagine activating desperado let you dual wield rocket launchers

Get to cosplay as Salvadore from BL2

https://tenor.com/view/borderland-salvador-borderlands2-gunzerker-bullets-gif-13510226

[broken dirge]

I'm really excited for desperado

The return of the payday 2 dodge build

Mach 9 smg destruction

If a crusher so much as looks at me the game uninstall itself

[patent bone]

Imagine dual wielding Ogryn Shredders

[main wagon]

Did anyone link you one yet? She’s peak, definitely my choice

Also you mean like just in game lines or the actual character creation sample?

[patent bone]

Bounty Hunter is def my pick

In game lines with the rejects are amazing

Courtesy of @near pilot

Courtesy of reddit

[main wagon]

Oh Scuse me I’m thinking of the Outlaw. Bounty Hunter is too breathy for me lmao

I got them mixed up bc the description for BH was bugged on the first forum post and it had “The Outlaw” in its description, I remember giggling at it with a friend

[patent bone]

Remember:
Outlaw is Scottish
Bounty Hunter is Australian
Anarchist is Sid Vicious

[broken dirge]

Best line I've heard is anarchists'
"Go on! Go on! Say something about Cadia! I know you want to!"

[main wagon]

Outlaw is Norferner, not Scottish

Fanatic Zealot is very much Scottish

[patent bone]

Idk, dude sounds like Malakai Makaisson

[broken dirge]

The dark and scary realm of Glasgow

[patent bone]

(NOT THE SAME VA THO)

[main wagon]

At least the fem outlaw is Norf gf

Yeah

Oh god yeah the male one is straight “AYE THE FUCKIN SCOTS YEH”

[versed spruce]

I thought this was from Cole's video

[broken dirge]

Terrifying. They've found even more English people

[high gull]

Dual kickbacks

Dual rumblers

[broken dirge]

They're englisher

[tepid cosmos]

these are both videos of @novel oracle character

[main wagon]

This one is hysterical but what the fuck is that crosshair

[broken dirge]

The Englest

[main wagon]

WHO RUNS A BLACK CROSSHAIR

[flint granite]

lock this sick fuck up

[main wagon]

Abelard, shoot that man on suspicion of heretical magicks

[broken dirge]

I shudder to imagine the man

[novel oracle]

both of these are mine lmfao

das me

local cartnite plug

[broken dirge]

HOW DO Y9U SEE

[flint granite]

I saw that in Reginald's video and I instantly knew it was you

[broken dirge]

What does the world look like to you where that cross hair functions

What powers are these

[main wagon]

He has a hip shot dot. Cmon

Basic gamer peripheral smh

[lavish forge]

where is this from the guy looks hot ngl

[broken dirge]

Ooooooh there it is

See this is what I get for staying up late

[flint granite]

Dispatch

[lavish forge]

ty

[tepid cosmos]

i asked cole something in another server and he ignored me guy is only active here for the clout

disowning him

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/dishonor-dishonor-on-you-dishonor-on-your-cow-mulan-disney-gif-5605743

[broken dirge]

Waow

Arrest cole

Whoever he is

A million dishonors

[main wagon]

Most hilarious move from the developers was making the game 100% pre-rendered cutscenes and not having a single model to be used for nefarious purposes

It won’t stop the Scum™, but it at least slowed them down

[broken dirge]

I've seen someone get them all in vrchat

Dunno any specifics, just that it exists

[flint granite]

Fanmade recreations

[broken dirge]

Very good ones

Bout as close as it'll get

[zenith fern]

the growl LMAO

[tepid cosmos]

@high gullfollowup on the thing i was saying earlier about the conclave the heavy ogryn will be an interesting look into this as a character thats involved with the cartels cause he did get arrested by the arbites meaning he either royally fucked up beyond saving or wasnt high enough up for the friends in high places to bail him out

[high gull]

I keep hearing about this new Og voice

Haven't heard actual voicelines from it

[tepid cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZojeJg8u4

[high gull]

Oh cool

See Kez you're alright

This is why you're my favorite mold spore

[zenith fern]

Heavy calls his teammates as sweethearts

[tepid cosmos]

https://youtu.be/lTr7HV8yT-Y

also this video of voice lines from him from awhile ago that were sitting in the game before he was complete if you wanna hear more

[high gull]

This gives me hope all the other classes will get another personality

[rapid mango]

would be cool, but also makes sense for oggy to have another voice

[high gull]

He also seems uncanilly well spoken for a ogryn

That's jarring

Just a bit

[tepid cosmos]

he reminds me of clodde from dredge runners and wrathbone phoenix in the warhammer crime novel series

and i fucking love that

we love clodde

[zenith fern]

thats interesting

[rapid mango]

tbh tho even if he is well spoken that would make 2 smart ogryns (comparatively)

[zenith fern]

that post was 10 months ago

So who knows how much been on the files

[tepid cosmos]

ye they were constantly adding lines to the personality every patch

[rapid mango]

the bodyguard oggy likes learning big words from the psykers, and also wants them to teach him how to read

[high gull]

Yeah but like

This dude speaks perfectly

No stammers no stutters

[rapid mango]

that we know of

[tepid cosmos]

gives big clodde energy

[rapid mango]

he wants to use the proper terms but cant seem to remember them (except he does struggle with medicae, but does get there in the end) medi - mecadicima - MEDICAE!

[tepid cosmos]

"ye im just thinking about how that goes against my predespositioned nature for violence that is telling me to rip your arms and legs off right now" - clodde

[flint granite]

Me getting stim crate buffs

[tepid cosmos]

jokes on you the cloud smells like rat piss

[patent bone]

Oh my bad G

[high gull]

My halls smell like cigs

[patent bone]

It was Coles

[spark gyro]

Yum

[flint granite]

LOL

That's the one that got fixed right

[novel oracle]

yea

[flint granite]

Funny as hell

[patent bone]

THERES NEVER ENOUGH STIMMS

[azure mist]

Drug dependent class indulging in extreme addiction

[spark gyro]

Seems balanced

So who trying to get a squad going for the update

[flint granite]

How good is stim crate do you feel? Dependant on the stimm itself?

[novel oracle]

crate sucks ass

[drifting heron]

Havoc mandatory

[novel oracle]

it sucks even worse in havoc

[drifting heron]

Thats the joke

Its a team buff

[grand jewel]

the voice reminds me of something else but I don't remember what, maybe someone from the hobbit series, possibly LotR

[drifting heron]

So obviously its havoc mandatory

[grand jewel]

maybe the goblin king

fitting

[grand jewel]

or a spammable bomb

[flint granite]

Thank god it looks boring

[bronze glade]

porque? 🤔

looks fun as a bomb at least

idk how good the regen / uptime is

[grand jewel]

for bomb? if you build for it as a bomb, you'd just take 1 node in stim for 15s cooldown and the red node on ability to get it back when you have a stim available

bomb for the bomb god

[flint granite]

Stim is 30s base I thought

[drifting heron]

Yeah but then your stimms are a dead slot

[grand jewel]

depends on how many nodes you take

[grand jewel]

counterpoint

bomb

[drifting heron]

Counterpoint

Vultoprene and Fervor

[tepid cosmos]

will be better when it gets stack of dependency but idk how much better you will still probably be getting crate back quicker than stimmy

i dont have access to the most recent build to try the new stimm crate

only have the build with the old one

[novel oracle]

but not by much

[drifting heron]

Good to know the vaunted support ability of community fixation sucks

Very happy with this information

[tepid cosmos]

stimms cooldown tree giving stimm cd could make it kind of peak

[novel oracle]

thats literally all it needs

but NO

thats not what we got

[scenic viper]

Does the medkit skill heal like a medkit would

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/goedulf-nexter-darktide-stare-warhammer-gif-17820373588181746257

[scenic viper]

Or it's just temporary life

[novel oracle]

no

its not a medkit

[scenic viper]

Dang it

[tepid cosmos]

hopefully we can push for it next year

[novel oracle]

that would be broken as shit

[tepid cosmos]

🙏

[scenic viper]

It's like the painkillers from left 4 dead?

[novel oracle]

idk what those do

ive not played l4d

you can also just

read what the ability does

[scenic viper]

So for it to work like a medkit I would need a healing stimm or not

[novel oracle]

using a stim crate while youre holding a healing stim would give the effect of a healing stim with it, not a medcrate

[glad latch]

How does the stim crate suck?

Can't you put CDR stim in it and everyone will spam their ults and as we all know ult spam is pretty OP. Or did you just mean the crate by itself without a stim?

[novel oracle]

itd also require you to not be running a custom stim

[vast yoke]

hi

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-the-office-yeah-ok-sure-gif-15058188

[drifting heron]

You can only get like 50% generic cdr

[vast yoke]

what does stim crate with healing stim do

[grand jewel]

heal

[vast yoke]

you're fucking with me

[drifting heron]

Heal a wound or 25% whichever is more

[novel oracle]

you can put down a cdr only stim crate every 44s, a little less with the kills talent
50% base cdr, or 25% + 75% on melee OR ranged kill for 1s for 100%

[vast yoke]

WHAT

that's insane

[young herald]

tbf "read the ability tooltip" and "understand what the ability actually does" do not necessarily overlap in FatShark games

[drifting heron]

Thats what a healing stim does normally mf

[novel oracle]

this is assuming you do nothing else with the stim

which sucks for you

[vast yoke]

yeah but it's not consumed

[drifting heron]

It is

[vast yoke]

ohh

wait it consumes the stim?

[zenith fern]

just temporary health

[novel oracle]

cuz you do very little now and exist as a stat stick thats okay at best cuz the effect lasts 15s only

ok back to havoc on reg stream

[zenith fern]

[vast yoke]

wait so heal stims get consumed if you drop stim crates?

[drifting heron]

Stims period get consumed

[vast yoke]

ohhh I see

[drifting heron]

How else does it get aerosolized

Magic

[vast yoke]

does it mean a heal stim is able to 4x the effects then

[glad latch]

Yeah and that's pretty good I reckon.

[drifting heron]

Every other class can get twice that on their own

[young herald]

it means you can give it to the whole team, yes.

[vast yoke]

oh okay that's very fair

[drifting heron]

And you're dedicating 2 of your slots strictly to buffs for everyone else

[vast yoke]

thank you for informing me my lovely friends

that sounds pretty balanced

[young herald]

the stims crate has potential, but so far what i've seen of it doesn't seem super good. We'll see though

[vast yoke]

really? it seems incredibly good in havoc

[drifting heron]

The opposite

[vast yoke]

huh

[drifting heron]

Scroll up and you'll see Cole say its worse in havoc than normal

[vast yoke]

i thought being able to buff up your psyker/vet in regular intervals and pump them full of corruption-be-gone juice would be decent huh

[young herald]

i'm just watching reginald fuck around with it, and it's got some situational value, but for the most part is just kinda there

very possible someone will figure out some tech that makes it ascend to godtier

hard to say just yet

[tepid cosmos]

trying to run a cd build you will almost always get crate back before your stimm which is why me and cole are saying the cd tree needs stimm cd built into it

[young herald]

early impression is that it's pretty meh on the whole though

[tepid cosmos]

for the build alot of people seem excited to do to actually work

[glad latch]

Well it's basically 200% cdr split between 4 players. Which seems good for a support ability.

[vast yoke]

I see it might just need a very cohesive team

[drifting heron]

Getting a team on vultoprene and fervor sounds kinda funny but thats it

[vast yoke]

it seems like one of those abilities that sucks if your team isn't on comms

which is fine tbh not everything needs to be curated to random heresy pubs

[tranquil berry]

We haven't really seen the crate interact with other classes, since everyone is running all scum.

[glad latch]

Maybe, but if the randoms would use more then 2 brain cells it could be ok in pubs too.

[drifting heron]

Its also just

Not nearly as cool as the other two abilities

Which are both channel stances that look fun as hell

[grand jewel]

it is

[drifting heron]

75% melee power

Infinite ammo

[vast yoke]

i see yeah that makes sense. i think giving your entire team intermittent CDR and attack speed/power would be pretty good with a mixed team

[drifting heron]

Cmon

[glad latch]

True, 75% melee power is quite insane.

[young herald]

the main issue with the stim crate is mostly just that it encourages chorusbots to do nothing but die and drop crates all game

[drifting heron]

Yarp

[grand jewel]

well yeah

[young herald]

and think they're not an incredible detriment

[grand jewel]

gotta make the class accessible for the lower class

[vast yoke]

arbites mains

[tranquil berry]

I think uber buffing your cracked psyker's crit chance might be good

[drifting heron]

Its not really uber buffing

Its good

[grand jewel]

imma just spam lunchbox pipebombs and not use it for actual uses because thats much more likely to annoy people

[tepid cosmos]

stimm field does have some cool use cases just needs some more work that couldnt happen due to how late it was fully implemented sadly

[drifting heron]

But I think a red stim tops it out

[tepid cosmos]

early next year hopefully 🙏

[limber cradle]

Psykers like, do not want you to reduce their peril

[grand jewel]

the crafted stims benefit is that you'd have it at least every minute and 15 seconds

[limber cradle]

Inadvertently sandbagging psyker is gonna be funny

[grand jewel]

rather than having to find a red

[drifting heron]

Yeah but taking crate solely to juice a psyker is a lot less attractive when they can just do it themselves

[vast yoke]

eh it'd marginally help if they're trying to dump out damage on gaze, it'd be annoying if it was match wide since they need it for toughness generation

[tranquil berry]

I'm gonna be using it with med stims to forcefully heal martyr zealots. Call me the debuffer!

[vast yoke]

okay fuck that's really funny

[tranquil berry]

Time to cheese those pesky martyrs

[limber cradle]

Ig it depends heavily on build but personally I do not want anything reducing my peril gen at all, I want to sit at 97 with JaD inside Gaze.

[glad latch]

Well it will let them spam their warp attacks even more, so it doesn't really nerf them much and the damage boost will compensate for their peril based abilities not being maxed out.

[drifting heron]

If they're faster than you they can just steal all of them and hit you with them

[grand jewel]

crafted stim with just one line into power/rending would get 20% power 15% rending

so not that far behind

or you could go finesse instead of rending

or crit chance

15% is kinda neato

[drifting heron]

I still think taking crate to buff a team of highly variable competency and attendance to the buff is just worse than like

Blowing martyrdom out of the water

[tepid cosmos]

could work well in premade

but still needs some work to be good there

[glad latch]

Well they can always buff the crate if it doesn't pan out well in pubs.

[grand jewel]

you could also just take the

[limber cradle]

Tbh I bet crate and NA on Arb are gonna pair well assuming you can get your team to stand inside them

[grand jewel]

and not care about if they pay attention to it

15 seconds of "get buffed without consent idiot"

[tranquil berry]

That node is basically mandatory

[vast yoke]

is Pickpocket problematic at all because it seems really OP

I've not really seen people talk about it

[limber cradle]

It seems insane

[grand jewel]

probably because they don't want it nerfed

[drifting heron]

You can hold left mouse an entire game with dual autopistols

[grand jewel]

they're coming for you next

[drifting heron]

People have done it

[grand jewel]

[glad latch]

They had a similar skill in VT2 iirc, didn't seem Op there.

[limber cradle]

Like the concept of pickpocket is broken, let alone the numbers

[drifting heron]

You can abuse it with bullet hoses

[tepid cosmos]

id expect pickpocket to get a cooldown

[drifting heron]

As long as you can get an elite kill every mag

Just hold the trigger

[grand jewel]

plenty of elites even in auric nowadays anyway

speedrun level up

[vast yoke]

required you to be totally out of ammo and melee kill them

[grand jewel]

god, day one is going to be such a mess

[drifting heron]

Its also just

[grand jewel]

sonic cosplayers seeing who can have to wait at an elevator first

[drifting heron]

Not useful outside of the reload

Because nearly every weapon can have infinite ammo

[glad latch]

Yeah, so just copy that and it'll be more balanced probably.

[drifting heron]

Especially on bounty bunter

[vast yoke]

oh for sure, the class already had infinite ammo because of Scrounger

[hazy vector]

Sit where?

[novel oracle]

got a h40 with 3 brokers 1 zealot

reginald was running dogshit crates 😭

[vast yoke]

I agree tbh it activating on ranged kills doesn't even make thematic sense... how are we pickpocketing a sniper 80m away

[novel oracle]

and i had desperado autopistols

and the more i play them

the more i think this is the meta

[echo plaza]

I was gonna play them anyways

[limber cradle]

Meta, not meta, they're stylish as fuck and I'm using them for that

[echo plaza]

They seem really fun

[drifting heron]

Desperado run and gun?

[vast yoke]

I imagine blaze away is good too

[limber cradle]

Desperado looks like my favorite ult for them ngl

[drifting heron]

Oh wait right blaze away

[novel oracle]

blaze away speedload

[grand jewel]

boom bringer is my favourite ult

[drifting heron]

Gonna a run the m9's because infinite swag

[novel oracle]

im converting combine on it too

[vast yoke]

does speedload work on it cus I heard no reload buffs affect it unless that was already fixed

[novel oracle]

fixed

[drifting heron]

It certainly works

Sub second reloads

[vast yoke]

I'm gonna run them because I already did special -> shoot with the dual flintlocks in VT2 so my muscle memory will transfer over

[novel oracle]

idk if regs yt stream is watching me rn

but take a look

[drifting heron]

Well it appears we can't have a class release without some kind of w+m1 being not only good but optimal

[limber cradle]

Tbf at least this w+m1 is timed

[drifting heron]

""""""Timed"""""""

[limber cradle]

Look

[drifting heron]

Seen people extend that shit for more than a minute

[limber cradle]

Oh is it like ES?

[drifting heron]

It has a curve on how much you get back

[limber cradle]

Like you can keep the duration up while it's doing CD

[novel oracle]

a harsh one

[drifting heron]

But you can beat it for long enough to kill everything

[drifting heron]

No

[limber cradle]

Lemme reread the talent rq

[drifting heron]

Neither desperado nor rampage allows that

[novel oracle]

of what

what are you talking about

[limber cradle]

Alright yeah

[limber cradle]

Desperado

[novel oracle]

both rampage and desperado have diminishing returns after a certain period, and desperados is SUPER harsh, to the point where its you just slightly delaying the end

neither ability regens its CD while its active

[limber cradle]

So you cant ES it, ty

Where you can just force the duration to outlast the CD

Tbh thats probably good considering ranged immunity

[novel oracle]

punk rage could go infinite if you have like a boss and a fast attacking weapon to outpace the diminish with a fast weapon

but desperado needs kills

and its restore TANKS

like watch the icon of the ability, thats the remaining duration

[limber cradle]

Yeah I saw, extends by 1s per kill then diminishes post 20

Oh fuck it resets on every kill

That makes more sense now

Extending it by 20 seconds is light work

[balmy radish]

i find the new class interesting i gonna get it directly like the arbiter

[limber cradle]

This looks so stupidly fun

[balmy radish]

i think though to use the dual pistols the most they looks interesting the needler aswell

[balmy radish]

uses it with normal crossbow for special killing

[glad latch]

So ideal loop would be to use Desperado, then when it eventually runs out due to the diminishing returns you pop a ranged CDR stim so you can get Desperado back faster and in the meantime continue mowing stuff down and don't care about ammo anyway since you can take pickpocket. Seems perfectly balanced.