hivescum-class

[robust sable]

omg Alexis hiii

[sinful matrix]

Its a wild avery :o

Hi Ave

[limber cradle]

Is it just me or is gameslantern broken on mobile

Like bro I just want to read the talents

[sinful matrix]

ew

what tree is that

[limber cradle]

Scum

[zealous ravine]

skitarii

[sinful matrix]

It looks like its gonna share all the same problems as vet

[tardy citrus]

It's a thing of beauty.

[sinful matrix]

three individual builds

and nearly impossible to cross wires

so to speak

[unreal stirrup]

funny how sprinting existing ruined them

[patent bone]

You guys see the intro cinematic for the Hive Scum yet?

[unreal stirrup]

also because how stamina work in this game

[sinful matrix]

It wasn't sprinting

[patent bone]

Let's just say Zola is NOT happy with us

[limber cradle]

It's defo more than just sprinting tbh

[sinful matrix]

Just that blocking has zero efficiency

One brusier eating 20% of my stamina 😠

[unreal stirrup]

doesn't help that dodging STOP stamina regeneration

relevant for pa heavy weapon like shovel, knife and crusher

[sinful matrix]

Pickaxe too

Trying to get away with just swinging heavy>light when you're in the infinite loop is just asking to eat a bajillion chip damage every swing

so abusing Ogryn's hilarious push radius is super important for maintaining hordes

[blissful gull]

what does the precog finesse damage actually do? is it just head shots do 45% more damage?

[woeful hill]

finesse is weakspot and crit damage

[tardy citrus]

Doesn't matter. Zola needs us. Rannick needs us.

[patent bone]

Rannick WANTS us

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/terrifier-terrifier2-clown-horror-sunflower-glasses-gif-27028913

Us Scum

Aboard the 'star

Nanabooboo'ing zola

[patent bone]

Hive Scum looking at the Arbites:

[tardy citrus]

LMAO

[novel oracle]

its 45% more damage to the additional damage that you deal when landing a crit/headshot vs a non crit/headshot

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/terrifier-gif-12595399673589436615

[novel oracle]

like 100 to the body and 180 to the head, it buffs the 80 damage cuz thats the finesse damage

[bronze glade]

mk2 seems like the better needle pistol

[patent bone]

Fem HS when they see an Male Arbite without his helmet

[dim moth]

huh

[bronze glade]

explosion on death seems kinda meh

[tardy citrus]

I'd smash the female scum..

[novel oracle]

this talent is buttfuck busted on certain weapons

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-silly-dance-swaying-rapping-hip-hop-gif-13898655

[novel oracle]

and it used to be 3s

[flat mist]

I hate this (but I love it)

[novel oracle]

which is even worse

[patent bone]

I'd get smashed by the Fem Arbite as a Male Scum

[tardy citrus]

oh hell yeah

Jakka we're kindred spirits, you and I.

[patent bone]

I actually have a commission idea with someone else's Fem Arbite (they gave permission)

[novel oracle]

HV desperately needs a finely tuned and tested damage cap

then it can be raised back to 3s

[azure mist]

We just gonna ignore this one also

[novel oracle]

that one has less potential for being busted

but its stronger with more options with less investment

[dim moth]

youknow I'm noticing that hive scum's talent tree has very few ways to regen toughness or damage reduction

lotsa dodge stuff though

[novel oracle]

OH ARE YOU

[dim moth]

the stimms can help regen though

[unreal stirrup]

is this the actual tree

[patent bone]

That's kinda the point. Gotta be the glass cannon bois

[novel oracle]

yes

[dim moth]

oh wait hang on

are they also 100 base toughness?

[novel oracle]

75

[dim moth]

holy fuck bro

[novel oracle]

yeah

dont get hit

[unreal stirrup]

zealot in shambles

[coral abyss]

watched a lot of streamers just explode

[novel oracle]

good

[dim moth]

yeah this class is actual paper mache

[lethal quartz]

working as intended

[bronze glade]

prob going to do 1 hp curio, 2 toughness

[lethal quartz]

📓

[bronze glade]

.... or maybe 3 toughness

[novel oracle]

i feel even better about our two 4 stack clears

[bronze glade]

hmm

[dim moth]

like even pre-rework psyker before Just A Dream came was tankier than this

[limber cradle]

This seems logical imo

They have vet health in high havoc iirc

[novel oracle]

i do 3 stam still

[unreal stirrup]

insta killed by burster

lmao

[novel oracle]

both creature of habit, sprinting, and the melee attack speed

[bronze glade]

yeah both have 150 base hp

[novel oracle]

in havoc yeah

[bronze glade]

HIV gets 25 lower base toughness than vet

[unreal stirrup]

I mean they get to ignore ranged damage

[novel oracle]

vet also gets 50 + up to 33% tdr for free

[bronze glade]

3x toughness is prob a valid option too, but i'm kinda wary of the already quite low base hp lol

[flat mist]

9 stam for swift endurance, don't be weak

[novel oracle]

broker gets 20% if you take that one talent they have

good luck!

[flat mist]

And melee while sliding and while critting with EE v2

[bronze glade]

cardio's for pussies

[limber cradle]

Broker does get a bunch of immunities I'm excited to play around with tho

[novel oracle]

this class is "holy shit im fucking balling oh i died in 2 hits"

[unreal stirrup]

they're more tanky in practice when you factoring in that

[flat mist]

Attack speed go brrrrrr 🤽‍♂️

[patent bone]

I am what I eat (I'm asian)

[unreal stirrup]

but yeah if you mess up in melee you're fucked

[dim moth]

I am still super excited to play them though because FINALLY another class with infinite ammo!

[flat mist]

So just old psyker then

[dim moth]

I can SHOOT FOREVER

[coral abyss]

definitely playing ranged focused

just gonna dakka dakka

[unreal stirrup]

old psyker can get their funny mettle

[bronze glade]

Now you don’t need las guns to shoot forever

[patent bone]

Emperor Palpatine voice: "UNLIMITED AMMO!!"

[novel oracle]

broker when theyre not in desperado dies to ranged instantly too though

[flat mist]

That didn't really help in melee but true

[novel oracle]

in havoc

in auric they die to burst ranged that other classes can shrug off, but can take a few shooter hits

[unreal stirrup]

I mean on recon las gunker you get lot of crit

[tardy citrus]

GOTTA ENJOY THE HIGH BABY!!!!!

[novel oracle]

also here

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/go-go-go-war-boys-furiosa-a-mad-max-saga-lets-get-em-mad-max-gif-3449271955709914321

[flat mist]

Bring back old mettle.

[tardy citrus]

HIGH OCTANE! BURNIN' BRIGHT!

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-witness-war-boy-valhalla-v8-gif-6808897472762244011

[unreal stirrup]

and you can just pull it out when you need it

[dim moth]

time to put stripped down blessing on a gun

[flat mist]

The FIRST mettle where trauma could fill your whole health bar

[patent bone]

AHHHHH LET ME PLAY THE FUCKING CLASS ALREADY!!!

[novel oracle]

stripped down imo is BIS for needle pistol

mostly cuz they have no blessings that help its damage because lmfao

[unreal stirrup]

imagine a keystone where you're constantly losing hp but dealing damage during the duration get you heal up

[novel oracle]

not that they need it but still

[dim moth]

dot gun moment

[flat mist]

So what you're saying is +9 stam is also meta

[oblique basin]

If you go in melee while using desperado you lost the ability inmediatly?

[flat mist]

No?

[novel oracle]

enjoy being obliterated from 1 hit instead of 2

[novel oracle]

no

[dim moth]

fuck it they're not gonna be made tanky any time soon might as well double down on speed and damage

[oblique basin]

Nice

[novel oracle]

im glad they changed that for punk rage

cuz holy shit

that was ass

pull out your gun to special snipe and the game just breaks your kneecaps for daring to stop meleeing

[oblique basin]

Is the debuff from the middle path too bad? how does it feels?

[flat mist]

Bruh with 40% dodge recovery speed, 25% dodge range, and 50% iframes gl hitting me

And I think you can get more from stims but I haven't gotten that far yet

[novel oracle]

negligible unless youre in a terrible spot and dont have the aoe push on ability end

you lose all stamina and it has like 1/10th of the regen

like you wont even get 1/3rd of it back before the 5s debuff is over

[flat mist]

1/4

[novel oracle]

i dont remember the actual number but its tiny

off the top of my head

[oblique basin]

And only 7 secs hmmm

[flat mist]

9 steam for

[novel oracle]

oh it got bumped up from 5

god i love last minute changes without patch notes

it also doesnt help that ive seen most of these numbers for all of these things in like 8 different forms

[unreal stirrup]

knife hive scum real

[flat mist]

That would be so cursed

And yet still no sympathy for yo ass haha

[novel oracle]

like sometimes im half wrong about info because its outdated by like a day

which in this case

it was

but no one else could get it wrong like that lmfao

[flat mist]

Would do my head in. Full on ADHD nightmare

[empty helm]

oh wow gameslantern already has the tree?

[novel oracle]

now try keeping track of names

and marks

[oblique basin]

If you decide to use the cartel stims you can no longer use heal with the regular hp stims?

[novel oracle]

i still dont know what the marks of the shivs and needle pistols are

i just know m1 and m2

and ive still called stuff by their old names

[flat mist]

@novel oracle so, hyper-violence... if you overkill by 4000, you get +1000 base damage per swing for the next second, right?

[unreal stirrup]

caxe upscale

[novel oracle]

ive called desperado focus mode, rampage as punk rage, and the fast acting stimms subnode as huff n go

[flat mist]

Lawnmowing intensifies

[unreal stirrup]

also i wonder if this work on cleaved enemy with bm

because that gonna be fucking nasty

[novel oracle]

or until you get a kill within that timespan and it overrides it

[flat mist]

Why wouldn't it right

[novel oracle]

its really hard to test

[flat mist]

True

[novel oracle]

but i believe it does, not as a whole group, but triggering from one enemy to the next in a swing

[unreal stirrup]

yeah have to wait until drop and creature spawner update

[novel oracle]

because my taxe has never felt so amazing

holy fucking shit dude

[flat mist]

How so? You kill two infested, then swing at two gunners or something, right?

Oh you don't have mods on test server?

[novel oracle]

theres no measurable way to check how much overkill youre doing to each enemy in a swing, especially if that damage on hit is changing mid swing

[empty helm]

huh burst energy seems good

[dim moth]

man I can't believe new class has me excited to use a braced autogun of all things

[flat mist]

But you don't need to measure it if you know that you wouldn't kill the enemy without specific breakpoints from hyper-violence

[jovial thorn]

Cuz u didn’t tell ME who was the personality Hive Scum that said this ✨Beautiful One of a Kind Dialogue✨💢💢💢💢

HS: “Y’know, that clanker lady is giving some looks.”

Pro Vet: “Don’t mind her, she gives everyone that look.”

HS: “Maybe, but think I gotta chance with ‘er?”

Pro Vet: “YOU WHAT?!”

HS: “I’m jus’ sayin, I could rewire ‘er to-“

Pro Vet: “SHUT UP!!”

[flat mist]

Just bc close range archetype or something more specific?

[dim moth]

uh yeah close range and they have crazy mobility that will offset the bad mobility of a brauto

and let them actually make use of its genuinely kind of insane point blank damage

and that thing

[flat mist]

How tf do you swap weapons faster with sticky hands

[dim moth]

better grip

[jovial thorn]

Seriously does anyone in here knows what personality said that about Hadron…..

need to know for….research purposes…

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-8902231

[quick wolf]

YEHAHHHHH I JUST WOKE UP BECAYSE OF TIME ZONE DIFFERENCES AND NOW I GET TO WATXH ALL THE RELEASED CONTENT FOR GANGER YEAHHHHHH

[limber cradle]

Wait are you not making shit up rn

[patent bone]

Definitely the Anarchist Scum

[jovial thorn]

no it’s true @patent bone Said so

[patent bone]

It's confirmed

Source: Trust me bro

[jovial thorn]

Thank u bro💕💖💗

[limber cradle]

Can't believe they added HS lines just for Big Boi

[wise sorrel]

shoot, I know which personality I'm playing now!

[jovial thorn]

Jakka me give u Nitro now for telling the personality my Journey is now in motion

[patent bone]

Keep it for yourself broski

[limber cradle]

Bro what are these talents

[flat mist]

Good/bad - thoughts?

[tranquil berry]

Moo

[unreal stirrup]

i mean its good when you have it

[quick wolf]

Guys can I pls just say this class is preem, like genuinely wtf were ppl on when they said they’d rather have a skitarri or a ratling ESPECIALLY a ratling

[empty helm]

i think its good?

[amber sundial]

its vets talent but less cooldown,

[limber cradle]

Tbh it might not be bad with the fact that Scum has low toughness regen apparently

[unreal stirrup]

depend on pathing tbh

[jovial thorn]

okie, but hey if yah evea need something let a brotha know eh‼️‼️‼️

[limber cradle]

Vet talent doesn't give half toughness either

[empty helm]

its a safety net

[flat mist]

Seems pretty fucking good to me

[unreal stirrup]

10 seconds cooldown is basically nothing

expect nerf

[limber cradle]

If your toughness is shattering every 10 seconds we got bigger issues to address

[flat mist]

If you're getting toughness broken more than every 10s you're gonna die anyway

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[flat mist]

So it's basically +50% to your toughness bar

[empty helm]

in the wise words of some guy, jsut dodge

[flat mist]

And stun immunity when you actually need it

[quick wolf]

Is there a way to really turn this class into a glass cannon like legit just one touch kills you but the damage you deal is massive

[limber cradle]

It is by default

[unreal stirrup]

what glass cannon

lmao

[empty helm]

isnt it already is

[quick wolf]

Awesome

[unreal stirrup]

glass cannon if you tank hit ig

just don't get hit

unironically

[novel oracle]

you make any build

congrats

[patent bone]

Just dodge

Do the dark souls strat

[quick wolf]

I was kinda worried the stim/rampage parts of the tree would have too many safety nets for new players ya gets?

[tardy citrus]

nah i think this class is for the gamers

[quick wolf]

I want to die in one hit but kill everything in return pls

[novel oracle]

btw this is hyper violence at 3s
it works exactly the same right now but is just 1s now

[patent bone]

No downs just die?

[flat mist]

What the fuck hhaahhahhaa

[novel oracle]

turns out if some of your overkill dmg is added to your next atk
your overkill will only get higher

[flat mist]

Stealth zealots be weapons

[quick wolf]

I was really worried it would be “on paper” the super fragile glass cannon dies in one touch class but in return you’re a complete methhead that kills everything you touch kinda class that zealot SHOULD HAVE BEEN
But yknow, zealot has so many safety nets for newer players to be really tanky and I was worried this class would be the same

[jovial thorn]

I KNOW RIGHT! 💍💐

THANK U FATSHARK! W COMPANY❤️‍🔥 💗 ❣️

[flat mist]

Broken af

I just assumed they would've coded it in to ignore the extra damage from HV

[quick wolf]

Yeah, die. Just gone. Obliterated. Deleted. Hell, make it so that your game files get wiped too, idgaf I just want to play an actual glass cannon that isn’t scrier’s gaze psyker cos tf is that playstyle really

[flat mist]

But why tf would they do that hey

[patent bone]

It'll be funny

[flat mist]

Literal infinite damage scaling 💀

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-toad-panic-toad-rage-panic-rage-gif-5308125717647168980

Abaddon when he sees a level 30 Hive Scum

[flat mist]

Comp for first person to hit over 1 million damage when

[novel oracle]

add a hard cap, determined after testing a few weapons, between 500-1000
bring it back to 3s

[patent bone]

Someone did on a Havoc mission

[novel oracle]

ez

but time exists

and you can run out of it

[flat mist]

No... in one hit

[patent bone]

Oh nvm lol

[tardy citrus]

damn

[flat mist]

@novel oracle is hyper-critical calculated before or after the crit damage is subtracted from enemy health

[flat mist]

Lmao

You leave those doggoes alone

[unreal stirrup]

1m in havoc lmao

[novel oracle]

you deal 1000 dmg on a crit melee attack
if they have less than 2000 hp, its an instant kill

[flat mist]

Ok like I'm pretty sure what you mean, but to clarify, is that 2000 hp remaining after or before you hit them

[unreal stirrup]

hive scum casually get haymaker as an talent

[novel oracle]

before

[flat mist]

Lmaoooo

No way

1/3 threshold would've been way more balanced than 1/2, surely

[leaden lark]

HivesCum channel is here!

[novel oracle]

im playing havoc right now and i think im going to kill myself
my dodge was stopped on nothing

theres nothing there

you can see the dodge get blocked

how

why

what

[dim moth]

sloped terrain (stairs especially) are not coded as actual smooth ramps

so slides/dodges sometimes randomly just get stopped on invisible little edges on them

[novel oracle]

that spot has always been fine tho

[kind mist]

no

you did a sticky attack

stickies stop dodges

[flat mist]

Pretty sure it was stopped on a skissue

Pesky things those

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-cat-tweaking-cat-help-gif-15027370981305715566

i even noticed the stop and attempted to dodge again

but it didnt break it if thats what caused it

which is why i assumed it was a physical block

[flat mist]

Too soon to dodge again?

Looking frame by frame you dodge a fraction of a second before your melee latches on

[rapid fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[wooden delta]

Bonesaw is beautiful

[flat mist]

That's what she said

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-bonesaw-is-ready-wrestling-gif-14341695

Crowbar though?

I'm actually hype

[leaden lark]

I saw people talk about how the hobo is a glass cannon with really bad survivability and toughness regen. But I'm looking at their talents and they have some insane t. regen talants and have the ability to stack godlike levels of tdr and dr. Are they really glass? Feels more like just cannon

[bronze glade]

They don’t have much dr

On top of the worst base defensive stats

[leaden lark]

worse than psyker?

[bronze glade]

Pretty much all the classes have great toughness regen now these days

[novel oracle]

what godlike tdr are you seeing

what

[bronze glade]

tied there i guess lol

but psyker has a shit ton of tdr/dr now these days

[leaden lark]

let me check the talents again, lol

[novel oracle]

they can get some high dr, with 2/3rds of them lasting extremely short and having an uncommon condition, like 4s after a reload, or speccing far into the defensive stim branch (inherently making the stim cd long)

or being keystone locked

or being ability locked

typically you wont have much of them

so youd vary between 20-40% actual dr

heavier on the 20 side

whereas vet gets up to 67% dr for existing

[leaden lark]

A lot of them are not very combinable

[jovial thorn]

G A M E 🧠 T H E O R Y

Since it’s Confirmed that Anarchist HS gots googly love eyes for Hadron

There’s a Option for picking your Cartel Affiliation called:
🏭 The Tread Lightlies ⚙️
I BELIEVE to know who’s really the leader named Lady Steel✨

1. Who’s a Lady made of “steel”/other augment implants plus
2. Bully Ogryn refers a certain TechPriest as “Tech-Lady”
3. A certain Tech-Priest who got own secret missions that Morrow advices Kayex-8 to “Not Meddle with”
4. The Reliquary Array Backpack

Boiz My Big Brain Theory believes that 💖MommaHadron🩷 has her own Cartel for maintaining the MetalFabs w/ personal goals connecting Her to being T H E leader ✨Lady Steel of the Tread Lightlies✨

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1165090748024500371

[wise sorrel]

is that third image from an AI summary?

[jovial thorn]

maybe

[wise sorrel]

suffer not the abominable intelligence to live

[leaden lark]

I also have a question, how does calling for a time out actually work?

Is it just tdr?

If not, how does it stack with tdr?

Don't think tdr has been described like this anywhere else

[novel oracle]

yeah?

its just fatshark wording

[flat mist]

Adrenaline frenzy seems like the worst keystone on first impression

[novel oracle]

i personally think its the best one

[leaden lark]

why

[novel oracle]

theyre all boring as shit

[flat mist]

Because even on permanent uptime additive 25% damage is great but not gamebreaking and same with 10% attack speed

[leaden lark]

it's 10% attack speed and 25% melee damage basically permanently

[novel oracle]

chem dependancy has 2 things going for it
crit and dr

thats it

[leaden lark]

it needed to be game breaking?

[flat mist]

Not the CDR?

[leaden lark]

all the keystones are very basic

[novel oracle]

you can just use your stim for that

and its less impactful on the one ability that actually regens the moment its cast

[arctic imp]

The abilities are 100% the allure, the keystones themselves are cherries on top by comparison

[leaden lark]

I mean, a lot of keystones in the game are note very exciting

[flat mist]

Fair enough

[novel oracle]

because youre not dependant on the ability, youre dependant on the stim cooldown

this is the least important class to have cdr on imo

2 of the abilities literally are channeled

[arctic imp]

You’d be right if spamming the medkit wasn’t something you could do, but you can. And you share that benefit with your allies

[leaden lark]

Psyker has 2 cool keystones, zealot has 1, arbites has 1, ogryn has 1. Every other keystone in the game is pretty boring

It's no surprise

[arctic imp]

It’s clearly a support path

[novel oracle]

all of them could be so much cooler

[novel oracle]

but it does almost nothing without a stim

[leaden lark]

they could have been

[novel oracle]

time constraints

i have ideas for all of them

[arctic imp]

Well yeah the point is to use it with a stim. I do think they should fix that, it should do something useful without a stim—they said that would be an option and it seems like the weakest one

[novel oracle]

some of them being what they were initially proposed as

[leaden lark]

How do you spam medkit if you have no stim

Right part of the tree looks great as a secondary option

But going all in on it looks awful

doesn't synergize with itself

[arctic imp]

You take a stim with low cooldown, one that focuses on cooldown. I’m not saying it’s the best way to play. but if you’re a support hive scum? And your only goal is to help your allies by buffing? It’s an option

[leaden lark]

they you have a bad stim giving cooldown reduction for a bad ability?

So you can spam more bad abilities?

[novel oracle]

theyre saying cdr for the team

[arctic imp]

That’s not true though, CDR is incredibly important to literally every other class

[leaden lark]

I mean, you can

[arctic imp]

And with that build you end up sharing it

[novel oracle]

congrats, you exist to do nothing but spam an ability

you are now

chorus bot 2.0

[leaden lark]

But why not just support your team by killing all the shit or giving some actually meaningful buffs

even chorus bot is more engaging

[arctic imp]

I mean yeah but that’s also one of the only other support builds

Chorus*

[leaden lark]

chorus bot has an ability that gives you a lot of toughness, stops all enemies and makes you immortal

This gives you what? 20% cdr for the team?

wow

psyker aura does half of that

[flat mist]

What's the base stim duration?

[novel oracle]

functionally 17s with 1 point

[leaden lark]

If I wanted to support, I would get a powerful stim, but some cdr on it and choose a different keystone

[arctic imp]

I can see a reason to use it. CDR for your entire team can be huge if you’ve got multiple gold toughness homies with you

[flat mist]

Duration

[dim moth]

what if the ability I spam is unga bunga damage stimm

[flat mist]

Not CD

[arctic imp]

So you’re saying max duration is 17 seconds?

[flat mist]

I'm not saying anything I'm asking a question lol

[arctic imp]

I thought you were answering him

[arctic imp]

So you’re saying 17 is max

[flat mist]

If you spend one point in the stim lab the stim cooldown is 17s

[novel oracle]

what

[arctic imp]

So if you spend more I’d assume it gets worse

[rapid mango]

ye

[arctic imp]

Or is it just cooldown that gets worse

[novel oracle]

spending 1 point in the stim tree gives you a 17s cd stim

max is 75s

[arctic imp]

I see

[rapid mango]

but thats not stim duration

[arctic imp]

So is duration always the same and it’s just cooldown that changes?

[novel oracle]

its 15s

[leaden lark]

what's the duration?

[novel oracle]

20 with that one talent

[leaden lark]

when does stim cooldown start? After effect ends or instantly?

[flat mist]

I just want to be in rampage permantly

[arctic imp]

Going off of other abilities, I’d think it’s on effect end. But maybe they were generous

[arctic imp]

You practically can

[flat mist]

I know

[arctic imp]

Same with desperado. I like that they did that

[flat mist]

The question is how little CDR I need from my stim to achieve that

[arctic imp]

Well

It’s 30 second cooldown

[flat mist]

And whether putting more points into CDR from stim and not taking chem dependency or less CDR from stim and taking chem dependency is better

[arctic imp]

If you take the 12% reduction from curios it takes it to 26.4

[unkempt tide]

its feelin like besides middle tree, the class is a glass cannon

thats the impression I get

[arctic imp]

It’s meant to be, yes

But the damage looks to be incredibly easy to attain in return

[unkempt tide]

ya

[arctic imp]

Just popping rampage turns you into the strongest player on the field

[lament stirrup]

Watching gameplay of it and it looks so fun

[unkempt tide]

Id rather do either of the other 2 abilities, its just another melee stimm ability

[coral abyss]

does anyone know how hyper-critical interacts with hit mass?

[arctic imp]

if you take the cooldown from curios and have max stacks with dependency without any modifications, you have 17.4 seconds of cooldown reduction

Or sorry, it’s a 17.4 second cooldown that’s left

[flat mist]

That’s not how it works

[lament stirrup]

What’s the purple mode on the cleaver?

[dim moth]

grape flavor

[lament stirrup]

[arctic imp]

Explain so that I can fix the math

[flat mist]

+% ability cooldown reduction is additive to the 100% base (or 0% while channelling combat abilities)

So 40% from chem dependency let's you generate 0.4s/s cooldown while in rampage, and 1.4s/s while out of it

[arctic imp]

So you need

[arctic imp]

The 12% Cooldown reduction from curios and the 40% from dependency and three nodes of the cooldown stim lab to reach 17.6 seconds of cooldown

[flat mist]

I just explained why that's not how it works

[arctic imp]

I just did the math with your explanation

So if that’s wrong

you’re wrong

[flat mist]

Did you account for time spent in Rampage?

[patent bone]

That was graceful as shit wtf

[bronze glade]

that's a lot of gloop

[arctic imp]

No im counting ONLY time outside of rampage because you’re talking about not being in it and waiting for it to regen

[leaden lark]

ability cooldown reduction and ability cooldown regen are different

[arctic imp]

Elaborate good legser, I’m interested

[novel oracle]

toxin mode applies toxin on hit, 2 on crit, and deals more raw damage to flesh armor types
purple flavor applies brittleness on hit the same way, and deals more raw damage to actual armor

[leaden lark]

15,84 seconds cooldown from 3 curios and 4 stacks of dependency

[novel oracle]

reduction is a reduction to the max cooldown
regen is how fast it works through that max cooldown

[flat mist]

No I'm talking about chaining them together, and the fact that chem dependency and stims regenerate your cooldown while in rampage is highly relevant

[arctic imp]

I was working under the assumption it didn’t regen at all in ability

[flat mist]

I just explained how they're different wtf

[arctic imp]

That’s actually insane that it does

[novel oracle]

10% cooldown reduction of a 30s abilities shaves off 3 seconds from the max cooldown

[leaden lark]

with 50% cooldown speed, it 15.84 becomes 10,56 seconds cooldown

[flat mist]

Fair enough

[lament stirrup]

Ah

[novel oracle]

regen just multiplies how fast it works through that cooldown, so 100% makes each second essentially count as 2

[flat mist]

It's how psyker does infinite smite shenanigans that get you kicked from strike teams (as it should be)

[leaden lark]

with 100% cooldown speed 15,84 becomes 7,92 seconds

[arctic imp]

You only
explained cooldown reduction, I didn’t know regen and cooldown reduction were different things

[leaden lark]

with psykers aura, you can get as low as 7,128 seconds cooldown on rampage

Don't think it's possible to go any lower

assuming max stacks and perfect stim usage

[arctic imp]

So reduction is a percent removal off the base cooldown, regen is the 1.2, 1.4 /s that irosk was talking about

[leaden lark]

which is complete overkill for an ability with a 30 second cooldown

50% cooldown reduction means you take your cooldown and divide it by 2. 50% cooldown regeneration means you take your cooldown after cdr and divide it by 1,5

assuming you have cooldown regenaration active the entire time

[grave venture]

So that stacks up to... a lot less cooldown

[arctic imp]

Right, stims have a duration

[leaden lark]

7,128 is the lowest cooldown possible for rampage

[arctic imp]

Right, reduction takes off the amount of time proportional to the given percentage, regen adds extra seconds to the cooldown per second

[leaden lark]

actually, you can go lower

[bronze glade]

honestly with how strong all the ults are

[leaden lark]

much lower

[patent bone]

You guys think the Ragged King will make a vox appearance in missions?

[bronze glade]

kinda not seeing much of a reason to do anything other than cd stimms lol

[leaden lark]

If you don't take cartel special

find 4 stims in a row somewhere

and use a yellow one

You can get to like 3 seconds cooldown probably

[arctic imp]

I Love love love how they made the medkit explode with chem. That was my biggest thing. I wanted the chem ability to have an offensive capability

[flat mist]

Using commas for decimal places is an outrage

[leaden lark]

I've been using commas my entire life for them?

[arctic imp]

Well you can literally do +strength and +attack speed, a damage stim that completely buffs everything about your offense is pretty potent

[flat mist]

Your entire life is an outrage

[novel oracle]

but its also like
why not just use one of the other keystones and get those buffs instead

[arctic imp]

Fatshark plug 👈

Because chemical dependency is better 😡

[novel oracle]

what

[leaden lark]

anyone knows, how does cooldown regeneration stack?

Just additively?

[novel oracle]

chemical dependency was better, but then stim changes hit the towers

[bronze glade]

but ult does that and does it better lol

[novel oracle]

yes

[flat mist]

Because you actually have to math out what the increased uptime is worth for your damage vs another keystone

[arctic imp]

So the massive changes were to the stim lab?

[novel oracle]

yes

and some nerfs to chem dep

[arctic imp]

Interesting

[novel oracle]

stims actually got the viscosity mechanic implemented yesterday morning

prior they were a flat 30s cooldown

[bronze glade]

ok that's insane

[leaden lark]

4,752 seconds is the lowest possible cooldown for rampage if you want to suffer and probably go insane trying to achieve this

[novel oracle]

most of the stats were also a little higher

and the cdr nodes were 25/25/25/25/100

[arctic imp]

I saw the cdr capstone was 100

yeah that’s insane

[limber cradle]

How's the top right tree for stims? Looks the most appealing to me

[flat mist]

Lmao

[arctic imp]

How does taking more lab goop affect the cooldown? Is it super variable or easy to see?

[leaden lark]

because achieving this requires you to either not take cartel special or have someone stab you with the yellow stim at the perfect timing

[novel oracle]

yes

[leaden lark]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

just check games lantern

They already have everything

[arctic imp]

Does it say? On the primary page or in the stim lab? I ask because I couldn’t find it

[leaden lark]

It literally shows you the cooldown

[arctic imp]

HUH

[flat mist]

Put points into the lab

[leaden lark]

bro went blind after stimming too much

[flat mist]

Look at number

Understandable

Why is this node just worse than the ones before it

[leaden lark]

no idea

I am just not going to take it ever

you stop at barrage 4

[flat mist]

It's very strange

[leaden lark]

no points past barrage 4

[flat mist]

+64% attack speed go brrrrr

I think that's the max

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/wiz-khalifa-spazzing-punching-crying-gif-7583183

[abstract lichen]

can other classes use the stimm lab?

[patent bone]

No. Just Hive Scum, but they DO benefit from it

If someone puts a Cartel Crate down then it buffs the team

[steep vale]

@novel oracle is there a downside to running the ability where you drop the hooka if you are running dependency or whatever its called?

Im kinda confused

Most definitely due to being hella tired but im also just stupid

[ancient basin]

antax* combat axe with 52% attack speed before stim might be good

[steep vale]

Also if im all in the speed thing on like

[ancient basin]

light attack hyper violence head shot with brutal momentum

[steep vale]

Saw

[near mauve]

Antax will never be good

[steep vale]

Would heavy spam be better than knife heavy?

[neat delta]

Is this separate from the skill talents

[steep vale]

For movement

[flat mist]

Yes

[neat delta]

Phew

Like the total count

[candid flare]

Where go look tree

[ancient basin]

120% finesse after 5 weakspot kills, and you ignore hitmass

[arctic imp]

You get 30 lab points, one for each level. But each node away from the center takes more and more points. So if a node is one away from the center, it’s one point. If it’s two, it’s two. So on, you also get worse CD the more points you use

[rapid mango]

can we directly stab another teammate with the stim? i forget

[drifting heron]

No

[rapid mango]

can they stim us?

[woeful hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

I'm stimming rn

[arctic imp]

They really said “this is my supply, go get your own”

[candid flare]

My hero

[glossy niche]

This sounds like nonsense grimderp lol, you wouldn't need to force ogryn to procreate, and it'd be a waste to not have ogryn women do manual labor as well

[neat delta]

Ooooooooooooohhhh that's a neat way to balance it

[ancient basin]

stim supply gives your stimm to all allies in the radius

[steep vale]

I don’t think theyd just remove the ability to stim the scum

[ancient basin]

custom or otherwise

[rapid mango]

if they can stim us then medstims are still in play, and we cant directly stim them, but theres a crate version so i can still drop it at the inferno psykers feet for some obliteration

bonus points if rot is still a modifier

[dim moth]

I'm just wondering how the stimcrate ability will work if you opt to not take a custom stim

AoE red stim for the whole gang?

turn med stim into med crate?

[ancient basin]

if it consumes the stimm its not going to be great

[floral bolt]

it does

i saw mr e attempt it on stream today

[ancient basin]

custom stimm all the way then

[rapid mango]

i mean, if everyone is hurting and you have a medstim, get everyone just over that wound threshold maybe

[steep vale]

Custom stims take the slot of regular stims and we cant stim others

Wait

So no

Jerkin yo thing?

[arctic imp]

It does seem it’s just not a viable option to not take the cartel special

If you’re doing the med crate thing*

[rapid mango]

it'd probably just highlight people as red (unable to accept stim)

same if you try to throw them something they already have

[steep vale]

Im fucking praying because if i cant aim spam in my elevator corner im getting a refund

And legal action

[rapid mango]

i mean, then just get normal stims if not

[steep vale]

Only reason i carry stimms is to do that in every corner

[rapid mango]

combat stim crate in a clusterfuck of a mixed horde could actually go hard

rager clusterfucks more specifically

[limber cradle]

It might have changed by now but that iirc is what Og females are commonly uh, purposed to iirc.

[main minnow]

If I'm reading this right, is it possible to just like,

have a really low cd stimm crate

[glossy niche]

This sounds like goofy old lore

[main minnow]

lower it further with sampler

and just get lmao infinite corruption cleanse + lmao all the big tox bombs

on like, a less than 15s cd

[rapid mango]

clutch med stim even more clutch

[arctic imp]

The dmg you get from a red stim likely won’t be comparable to what you can get from a cartel special

[rapid mango]

so much testing i need to do

[main minnow]

cartel special is probably weaker than combat stimm

[rapid mango]

it depends how well the special does with psykers

[arctic imp]

Not if you take both strength and attack speed

[limber cradle]

It's defo old lore, but the only other thing ik about fem ogryn is that Cassia exists, it's not like Ogs get touched on a lot as is.

[flat mist]

It is, check chocob's video for the havoc changes

[rapid mango]

if i can engineer the perfect psyker buff with special ofc im using that

[steep vale]

Isnt there also a perk that lowers stimm cooldown on kill

[main minnow]

Combat Stimm is +25% Strength and +25% Rending

[arctic imp]

You get much more than that

[rapid mango]

by 1% ye

[main minnow]

Cartel stimm caps out at +20% Strength and +15% Rending, with yes, potential attack speed

[arctic imp]

From cartel *

[steep vale]

Thats not alot :(

[rapid mango]

combat stim affects psykers peril generation as well

[flat mist]

2% if they're poisoned

[rapid mango]

so does celerity

[steep vale]

Woah

[main minnow]

yes but those freaks are always given special treatment

[arctic imp]

The power comes from multi effect, imo that attack speed while you’re meleeing with that strength boost? Insane

[glossy niche]

Kinda sad that GW didn't take darktide as an oppurtunity to show off female ogryns, it'd be a nice excuse to get new sprues for them on the tabletop

[main minnow]

attack speed versus 10% more rending and 5% more strength

[limber cradle]

You'll get another UM refresh and you'll like it.

[rapid mango]

theres like, 50 enemies in a horde first wave, and the cooldown is actually pretty quick if youre sparing with your points, so you can get it back quick if you are involved

[limber cradle]

Look man I quit playing the tt game for a reason lmao

[glossy niche]

Calgar number 3

[main minnow]

That's the other use

[steep vale]

Oh true i guess idk the cooldown time yet

[main minnow]

if you have a really long cd stim

[rapid mango]

varies by how many points you put in

[main minnow]

you can throw out "empty" boxes without being concerned

[main minnow]

15~75s

[ancient basin]

20% attack speed and strength, 25% finesse, stun and slow immunity is the combo I am going for. With sample collector it should come off cooldown pretty reasonably

[steep vale]

Are there numbers yet? Or still no

[tepid cosmos]

not sure if there is a new ragged king, rodin killed him and declared himself the new ragged king

and now he is dead as well

[rapid mango]

ill probably aim for about 20s cooldown or so

[arctic imp]

it’s 20% attack speed

[rapid mango]

maybe 25-30 if i find my playstyle vibing with hive scum very well

[main minnow]

Which still isn't rending

rending is big and cleave is also big

attack speed may help if you're just trying to math it out but I'll take the extra rending

[rapid mango]

we sure about that?

[arctic imp]

Rending isn’t that potent though when you already have enough +rending to take care of business

[main minnow]

rending is great

[rapid mango]

like his body disappeared but i didnt see no corpse

[main minnow]

attack speed tho is kinda hard to use

having a stable attack speed buff is great

[tepid cosmos]

first part i might actually have hallucinated, we do know the old one was in bed with chaos and rodin was calling himself the ragged king

[ancient basin]

depends on the weapon in question I suppose

[main minnow]

but most of the time you don't make full use of burst attack speed

since you don't make perfect heavy inputs

[arctic imp]

Rending works the most effectively on two enemies. Attack speed can be used to increase your dmg in general

[main minnow]

well, or you could skitarius it

[tepid cosmos]

and it would make sense the new water cartel who is fighting with the inquisition doesnt have a leader who is supporting admonition

[rapid mango]

rodins hand twitches at the end of the orthus offensive so WE didnt kill him at the very least

[main minnow]

Rending works on every type except the fodder types that dont matter

[tepid cosmos]

thats rinda

rodin dies and his body is dissolved into ash at the end of dark carnival when the ritual fails

[rapid mango]

i thought it was rodins

[main minnow]

nope

later vids prove it

[arctic imp]

I one-to-two shot almost everything below a crusher with My arbites shock maul. I have no rending in my build, I do have thunderous. But two shotting? When you have that kind of damage and things simply die, what are you taking the rending for?

[main minnow]

There's basically 1 unarmored enemy that mattersand it's a pox hound

[rapid mango]

infested

[main minnow]

true

[rapid mango]

technically an armour type

[main minnow]

but those two are the only two types that don't get rent

so people saying rending only works on some armor types are more or less feeding you bull

I suppose some dreg ranged elites have unarmored heads

but that's about it.

[arctic imp]

You’re overstating the value. They don’t say that because it only works on those few enemies, they say that because +rending isn’t as valuable as general damage boost.

[main minnow]

It is

breakpoints for melee are a bit of a lie

you cleave

[dim moth]

tox bombers

also dreg gunners

[main minnow]

I mean, tox bombers die if you sneeze on em

[arctic imp]

Then you might as well say cleave is all important, which it is, but not rending

[rapid mango]

tox bombers dont need LoS

[dim moth]

they have 1000 health no they don't

[obsidian cipher]

Can any playtester say anything about warp rift? (twins special event from VT2 but in DT)
pls tell me its on the way

[main minnow]

they take like, bazingillion melee damage

yes they do

[dim moth]

yeah because specialists almost universally take double or more melee damage

[main minnow]

It's like saying rending isn't important because snipers

[arctic imp]

So if they all die what do you need rending for? Maulers? Crushers? Yes the only two enemies it seems to really help on

[main minnow]

ragers

grunts

scab shotgunners are chewy too

it works on mutants

[dim moth]

yeah just them

[main minnow]

the way you talk tells you you're still thinking of fighting them as fighting them individually, one at a time,

that's the issue

[ancient basin]

maulers and crushers are big chunks of meat now after the hp buffs, so rending on weapons that dont have it is good

[dim moth]

but the problem with them is that if you can't kill them you effectively cannot kill mixed hordes

[main minnow]

scab ragers too

[arctic imp]

Everything dies so easily though that isn’t a crusher. That changes with rot, but in general? Literally everything dies in a couple of hits

[dim moth]

you have to have something that can consistently and reliably kill crushers/maulers

[ancient basin]

not sure 10% rending is enough to make me jump for it over 25% finesse, but we will see

[main minnow]

those carapace bodies hurt

try stacking up a horde and measuring how many swings you need to kill it

instead of focusing on single targets

extra strength, extra damage, extra rending, or extra cleave are always good

[arctic imp]

If i had to choose

[main minnow]

rending is damage on basically everyone that matters

[arctic imp]

If I had to choose two

[main minnow]

attack speed is basically only good for autoclick

[arctic imp]

I’d choose damage and cleave

Rending is basically helping you overkill. But what’s that good for? The scoreboard?

[main minnow]

like, how often are you going to up-tempo how fast you swing at pace with attack speed bufs?

Big ones are neat, sure, but a lot of it gets wasted

[bronze glade]

pretty often i imagine

[arctic imp]

I do agree with that

[rapid mango]

i dunno

[arctic imp]

I think i wouldn’t take a huge amount of attack speed from the stim, but I will take some

[rapid mango]

psyker FGS on celerity is mega addicting

[near mauve]

Attack speed is king just look at crackhead marty builds

[rapid mango]

slow weapons being faster is fun

[main minnow]

rending is basically jsut +damage on everyone except zombies and ranged units that are overall fairly squishy for their category

+5% strength is +5% cleave and +5% damage that are both effectively always at full value

Plus the +10% Rending that is also effectively always at full value

[ancient basin]

its one of the reasons I want to try out the antax with hyper violence, for that massive damage carry over on lights into trash with massive attack speed

[main minnow]

+20% attack speed is...8~15%? effective output?

depends on how well not only you, but your team, makes use of it

Rending is just braindead free value on mixed horde

[bronze glade]

nah

[ancient basin]

taking rampage tho, so team does not get the attack speed boost

[bronze glade]

rending is very good against carapace

[ancient basin]

its all mine

[bronze glade]

usually

[main minnow]

either way

combat stim is rare

[bronze glade]

against flakiac, generally less valuable

[main minnow]

free stims are free

[bronze glade]

barely does anything for unyielding

does nothing for unarmored

[candid flare]

Am I the only one that thinks forced nodes with stat buffs should just have the stat change in the base kit and an actual effect on the node instead?
Like
If you can't not choose 10% range damage why the fuck do I have to waste a point on it?

[main minnow]

Tax nodes

It's a tax

[candid flare]

It's shit design

Redundant

[rapid mango]

meh

[leaden lark]

tax

[main minnow]

they want to give you 30 points for the experience of leveling but make these noncisions to make your power progression controllable

[rapid mango]

we've had worse trees

[leaden lark]

so you have less ability points

[rapid mango]

one tax node is fuckin NOTHING

[leaden lark]

vet had like 13 tax nodes?

[main minnow]

exactly

granted

[rapid mango]

imagine being psyker and needing like, 10 tax nodes in total to get the shit you want

[main minnow]

half of hive scum's stuff is just stolen

[candid flare]

And they fixed them why?

[main minnow]

like, half the auras

[leaden lark]

tbf, most of the veterans tree was just a tax node

[candid flare]

*because they're fucking dumb

[ancient basin]

attack speed aura tho

would be sick

[leaden lark]

they still have tax nodes

[main minnow]

hear me out

[leaden lark]

just less then 13

[main minnow]

jump height aura

[rapid mango]

we transfered our builds to the new tree and a lot of us were like "... omg idk what to spend all this on now"

[near mauve]

Tax is needed
Trees are already op with trillion good talents
U gotta "balance" things somehow

[candid flare]

Still more than 0 which is fucking dumb

[leaden lark]

No you

[main minnow]

Seconded

No, you

[rapid mango]

bro has never used a talent tree in any game before

[main minnow]

okay lets trade

[candid flare]

That's not balance it's just lazy and poor design.

[main minnow]

we'll remove tax nodes and do it World of Warcraft style

[arctic imp]

I like tax nodes. I think they’re class defining. Pointless sometimes but it’s partially why arbites have a lot of toughness, one of their tax nodes is toughness

[leaden lark]

bro just wants to get even more power, which is redundant

[rapid mango]

theres always shit you dont want but others do, just because YOU dont want it, doesnt mean you're right :p

[leaden lark]

all clases are op af

They all need some nerfs

[near mauve]

Did u not see the old trees lmao we have it good now

[leaden lark]

They've been doing nothing but make everyone more powerful

[candid flare]

You don't need a node for that. they could just have it

[main minnow]

they're making the enemies more powerful too

which is how they're getting away with it

[leaden lark]

That's also bad

[main minnow]

never said it wasn't

[rapid mango]

but they're not making the weapons more powerful too

[leaden lark]

enemies also need nerfs

[rapid mango]

[azure mist]

Mfers complaining about tax nodes like Zealot and Vet Didnt have half their trees dedicated solely too tax nodes for 2+ years 💀

[main minnow]

stopping it here is fine

[leaden lark]

but they are

[main minnow]

I dislike changes in general

[dim moth]

The Build™

[leaden lark]

purgatus literally recieved blaze away, made it like twice as powerful

[rapid mango]

not even tax nodes PLURAL. a SINGULAR tax node

[main minnow]

Fuck you I'm taking backstab CDR and crit CDR and achieving true support

[azure mist]

You can live with 1-5 at worst

[near mauve]

Bro must be new ain't no way we're complaining about tax post class rework

[main minnow]

wish I could still do that

Aye

[azure mist]

Imagine dealing with 18

Yeah

I was there

[ancient basin]

on the one hand, I am annoyed by crushers, on the other hand that is what they are supposed to do so

[candid flare]

I remember why I stopped interacting with people on the internet again.

[leaden lark]

bro never saw The Build™

[main minnow]

used to be you actually had exclusive shit

[azure mist]

The great Vet Taxening

[leaden lark]

The Build™ my beloved

[rapid mango]

im talkin about the ones that are already not being used because they cant hold up. devils claw as a prime example

[limber cradle]

Nah thats too edgy to be seen as ironic tbh

[leaden lark]

they are getting buffed, but enemies are also getting buffed

[near mauve]

They should have more tax haha

[limber cradle]

Nvm carry on

[leaden lark]

so what's the point

that's exactly why both class talents and enemies need nerfs

[ancient basin]

dclaw my beloved, cursed to the trash tier forevermore

[main minnow]

the problem is Dclaw's identity

[leaden lark]

and some weapons

[ancient basin]

meme boss parry farming though

[main minnow]

and the way enemy density is inflated

dclaw is meant to be good for parrying and soft target horde clear

[leaden lark]

the problem is overbuffed enemies

and other weapons

[ancient basin]

my only issue with dclaw is it cant do shit to crushers and maulers at all

[main minnow]

problem is, instead of making the enemy melee AI less lobotomized

they just throw more melee elites at you to pretend it isn't an issue

[ancient basin]

so you get heavily punished for taking it the higher you go

[near mauve]

Noooooo don't disagree with me!!!!!!

[main minnow]

it's the number of enemies not the individual stats

[azure mist]

This also falls under you can lead a horse to water but can’t get it to drink

Buffed Vigilants

[leaden lark]

both

[main minnow]

the solution is to buff enemy AI so that they're more like vermintide ones

[azure mist]

Being Veterans like Top 5 ranged choice

[leaden lark]

the amount of enemies is also a buff to them

[main minnow]

so we can reduce enemy player count

like

[leaden lark]

enemy stats and density need nerfs

[main minnow]

vermintide if you back dashed

you ate shit

[leaden lark]

So you can nerfs strong weapons

[azure mist]

No one uses it though except like extremely rare cases or if you’re me

[wise turtle]

It's a bit of both

[leaden lark]

Therefore making bad weapons good without even changing them

[wise turtle]

The recent Crusher buffs put them over the edge

[rapid mango]

how dare anyone have a different opinion than me, im surely the one in the right, how could they have the audacity to question MY opinions. im gonna go sulk now.

[main minnow]

"The internet is mean"

[wise turtle]

Plus, they compounded with all of the spongy Havoc mods we got this season

like Rotten Armor and Stimms

[main minnow]

like, that was just common thinking

[wise turtle]

and garden

[ancient basin]

hmmmm, go massive crit with chem depenency and Dclaw to get chem stacks from lights, dot dps the crushers to death

[near mauve]

Woooooohaa there buddy that's hella rude

[main minnow]

everyone yelled at you not to dodge back

because the enemies had actual tracking

[dim moth]

literally like a few days after that change darktide snuck into my youtube feed and "blessed" me with Mr E's video saying lasguns are better than autoguns xd

[wise turtle]

The changes to horde triggers also made the game harder in general

[main minnow]

and they'd do lunging attacks

[dim moth]

with the most biased and idiotic "testing" I've ever seen

[wise turtle]

But yeah, dual axes/cleavers for Hiver when

[dim moth]

and the vigilants were excluded

[arctic imp]

i just want my music back

When I got into darktide, tracks were playing all the freaking time

[azure mist]

Darktide players when faced with aiming at a Weakspot

[main minnow]

That's Mr.E in a ntushell

[azure mist]

“I’m out” 1.3 seconds

[near mauve]

They still are?

Music is always pumping

[ancient basin]

had a situation where the director spawned in 3 reapers from the warp directly behind me recently, instant death

[dim moth]

yeah it was pretty funny watching him be completel incapable of controlling infantry autogun recoil

[arctic imp]

It’s very reduced frequency than what I remember

[wise turtle]

The funny thing with enemy tracking in Vermintide is that the player's dodge window for enemies tracking you got nerfed in Winds of Magic

[main minnow]

he occasionally makes good takes

[dim moth]

and then saying the recon lasgun was better at long range while ignoring that the spread made it take longer to kill the enemy

[main minnow]

occasionally

[near mauve]

Idk maybe your game is bugged

[wise turtle]

Before then, dual daggers shades were just dancing around entire hordes like it was Darktide

[azure mist]

Vigilants just being easier cause it’s a burst or semi rifle that hits like a truck

[wise turtle]

That dodge change got people killed more than the new Beastmen did at the time

[azure mist]

Like how is it bad lmao

[wise turtle]

and most people didn't know about that change because it got slipped into the closed beta

[near mauve]

Mister E is like a variety streamer he should never be taken that seriously tbh lmao

He's decent to get casual people into the game

Cause his style is simple

[ancient basin]

I cant use the basic lasgun at all, that reticle bounce after every shot makes me rage as my visibility is already ass with that gigantic optic on top. You can make it work but I personally cannot stand it at all

[main minnow]

He's like a broken clock

[ancient basin]

acatran and helbore all the way baybee

[unkempt tide]

helbore is the goat

[wise turtle]

Helbore appreciators rise up

[main minnow]

tbf, ungor spears are also stupidly long

[unkempt tide]

insanely ammo efficient

1 taps elites in h40

enough mag size for specials

[main minnow]

I like the old brown infantry las

but it takes a bit of work to make it pop heads reliably

[wise turtle]

Gors and Ungors also had lots of weird disjointed attacks back then that got covered up in hordes

[main minnow]

YUP

[wise turtle]

like their old back dodge spear lunge

And the Gor kick

They still have the annoying headbutt, but yeah

[main minnow]

that's the issue with them, they just had really weird attacks compared to chaos and skaven

[wise turtle]

ALSO, archers were the same color as regular ungors

and Gors were also all the same color

So goat hordes were this giant blob of brown fur and you couldn't see individual attacks

Add banner goats into the mix, overlapping each other

[main minnow]

and then a bestigor dropped the banner and you got knocked back

[wise turtle]

plus the dodge changes

And then a minotaur

[main minnow]

and it's like

there's no counterplay to that

[wise turtle]

and everything combined was just awful

[main minnow]

there's counterplay to the bestigor and the banner

[wise turtle]

Banners healing Minotaurs is just dreadful too

still is

[main minnow]

but the dude just walks up with his near chaos warrior hp and plants a giant aoe knockback

[rapid mango]

random question, does anyone know if they plan to add more character slots?

[wise turtle]

(I hate Encroaching Garden more)

[main minnow]

and you have to get knocked

it's annoying

[candid flare]

Yes it MUST be the pure fact that you disagree, can't be because your arguments were shit.

[main minnow]

breaks up good choke holds

[leaden lark]

why would anyone need more than 6 char slots?

[flat mist]

You're just gonna have to buy a second game

[leaden lark]

What's the point

[wise turtle]

roleplay

future classes

[main minnow]

If they were shit you'd be winning

But you lose

[leaden lark]

or use a mod

[candid flare]

Lmao no

[flat mist]

Hexis needs atleast 8 psykers

[leaden lark]

just use a mod to get more slots

[wise turtle]

There is a mod for 8 slots

[main minnow]

Aye

there is

[rapid mango]

2nd main psyker for one, extra builds, different personality if i get tired of one without wasting 50k ordo

[main minnow]

better idea

0 main psykers

[leaden lark]

wdym extra builds

[main minnow]

more ogryns instead

oh yeah there's a more builds mod too

[flat mist]

Bro has lost the plot

[candid flare]

We UsEd To OnLy HaVe 3 sLoTs

[main minnow]

3 slots for Zealots to have The Build in

[leaden lark]

I have like 20 builds on my psyker and it feels enough, rarely do I add something new

I just tweak the existing ones from time to time

[main minnow]

I barely keep track of half that many on most chars

[rapid mango]

6 builds on one 5 on the other, with different personalities than the people i usually run some of those builds with so we get banter

[leaden lark]

I need to change the personality on my psyker

[main minnow]

it's psyker, he has the most boring personalities in the cast.

[leaden lark]

I've been using the 4th wall breaking one since the release

[rapid mango]

youre allowed to be wrong its ok

[main minnow]

haha look at me I have one joke and make meta references to my beloved

haha look at me I'm a jerk

and haha look at me I like tertium a lot

[leaden lark]

Stop describing ogryn personalities

We're talking about psyker

[main minnow]

things are funny when people troll psyker because of his flat one-note personalities

like that line with ogryn and "But I will miss you, spark'ead, but the hounds catching up behind might not!"

rarely is the psyker actually the crux of the humor, just the butt of it

[rapid mango]

meh

i like them

[main minnow]

fair enough

spent so long discussing with myself because I wasn't attracted to one

[rapid mango]

i also like loner calling agitator out on his bullshit "high gothic"

[main minnow]

like, vet had 2 great options, ogryn had 3, zealots are all funny

[arctic imp]

So with all this going on, why can’t i buy the class on xbox yet?

[glossy niche]

Idk the german one makes fun of other people a lot

I don't think he's usually the butt of the joke

[main minnow]

yeah but when he makes fun of people usually it isn't funny

he's just being a jerk

[leaden lark]

because its not out yet

why would you be able to