hivescum-class

[tardy citrus]

Wonder if the throwable knives replenish on ammo, or grenade pickup

[hardy spruce]

not even the blitz

it's their melee

[trim wind]

No knife is the weapon special on shiv

[livid raven]

they can throw their melee?

[tardy citrus]

Blitzes are stun, chem grenade and rocket launcher

[limber cradle]

I mean sure, but doesn't "go play high havoc" seem wildly elitist when a majority of the player base simply isn't? High havoc performance shouldn't be the metric bar by which all things are measured when a miniscule amount of the games audience can even get to Hav 30

[livid raven]

ok that's cooler

[tardy citrus]

Yes their shivs get 3 throwable knives

[low harbor]

Shivs’ special is 3 throwing knives

[livid raven]

actually

[amber sapphire]

yes, its not blitz

[livid raven]

what's the knife's special again

[tardy citrus]

I think that's the special

[kind mist]

throwing knives

[livid raven]

the normal knife

[tardy citrus]

You can throw them lol

[kind mist]

punch

[low harbor]

We both know havoc is the balance metric by now, it is what it is

[reef ledge]

You mean when toxic enemy dies, they spread toxin, right?

[amber sapphire]

punch

[livid raven]

right, i remember it being lame

[tardy citrus]

Yes.

[reef ledge]

How much?

[limber cradle]

Yeah, ig.

[tardy citrus]

The shiv throwable applies toxin iirc

[bronze glade]

balancing around the meme mode has been a disaster for this game

[tardy citrus]

mother fucker idk the class isn't out yet

[reef ledge]

You look smort...

[tardy citrus]

i am smart but i haven't gotten to play him yet idk the nitty gritty lmao

[toxic dagger]

If you want to know how a class really performs and you're good at the game, take it into havoc instead of judging the tree. I wasn't talking to the playerbase, I was talking to people in here lol

[calm aurora]

Proper stress testing is solo histg

Havoc means nothing if you're spending it in a bubble while cheesing 1M dots

[vernal sluice]

Proper stress testing is giving hive scum a 9 to 5 office job

[limber cradle]

Well, Ig we can shut down the channel and reopen it in 4 days for everyone to share their thoughts then.

[tardy citrus]

Lol

[calm aurora]

Holy shit

[tardy citrus]

I think the class is definitely going to be feast or famine in h40

[hollow oar]

They'd kill themselves day 1

[tardy citrus]

Lots of synergy potential tho I think

[low harbor]

I think hvs will be a very good alternative to zealot

If not usually better

[grand jewel]

feeding a stimm supply HS all the stimms will be neat, round about way of healing if they have a green stimm too

[tardy citrus]

The shivs and crowbar are cool, but that cleaver.. It's calling my name.

[hot moth]

nah they'd perform a hostile takeover or die trying

[toxic dagger]

Theorycrafting is fun, just advocating that people stick to doing that instead of rendering judgement

[drowsy relic]

but I was promised by better veteran path

[opal jewel]

So what does the needle pistol alt and the chirurgeon saw alt do? They swap modes obviously but it's hard to tell what it does from previews alone.

[low harbor]

I never said hvs was gonna be better vet

[drowsy relic]

Not you dwdw

[calm aurora]

We all know ogryn is better psyker. He can summon rocks.

[oblique basin]

How do I get acess to this channel

[calm aurora]

Earth bending

[limber cradle]

HS doesn't look like vet at all to me tbh

[oblique basin]

nvm

[limber cradle]

Like even a little

[tardy citrus]

The cleaver's purple mode does more damage to armor and applies brittleness, and the needle pistol applies an aoe toxin instead of a single target. If the target dies from the aoe toxin they blow up and apply toxin to others around the target.

[limber cradle]

Infact I'd say the more we see of HS the less it looks like vet

[opal jewel]

Ah. Got it.

[low harbor]

The only thing similar between them is that they can both use guns well but they don’t play guns remotely the same

[limber cradle]

Yeah, agreed.

[low harbor]

Vet is way way way way better at mid-long range and killing priority targets in 1-2 shots

[hot moth]

Personally I wonder how good this node is

[calm aurora]

Hivescum feels like zealot during beta and post launch. With knives and shredder.

[opal jewel]

I really wasn't digging the class until i saw the voice and cosmetic previews and now i want to scream at servitors to OPEN THIS RUST DAMN DOOR.
Kinda miffed that the stub pistol is dual wield only but it does activate the saltz part of my brain with that alt fire.

[limber cradle]

Fwiw my theorycraft rn is that the class hardcore aligns with my mentality of "kill them before they kill you" and "enemies can't kill you if they're dead"

[hot moth]

Because veteran infiltrate threat reduction lets you do stupid stuff, it's basically reverse ogyrn taunt

[low harbor]

Sorta worthless unless u play exclusively ranged build ig

[tardy citrus]

The cosmetics and voices are so good too.

[limber cradle]

I think I'll really like playing Scum

[tardy citrus]

They cooked hard with the cosmetics.

[toxic dagger]

Yeah something like that I think.

[tardy citrus]

This.

[latent belfry]

I'm glad we didn't just call it the scum chat btw

[tardy citrus]

High damage glass cannon

[mighty dew]

Do stimm labs talent cost talent points or are they separate?

[hot moth]

It lets you go ham with vet's power sword, effectively taking away the downside of the constant charging

[low harbor]

I’m also pretty sure there’s no point running >1 hvs in havoc if u want to aim for a good team comp

[hot moth]

but hvs doesn't seem tohave a melee in that vein

[toxic dagger]

Don't underestimate the glass part though. Zealot has way more staying power and that's super valuable in its own way, especially the harder the game gets

[low harbor]

Cuz psyker + vet is pretty standard meta by now, and running 2 hvs means zero frontline lmao

[tardy citrus]

I'm excited to play and limit test the class

[low harbor]

Nah u can do that without threat reduction

[toxic dagger]

Replacing zealot with only hvs made the game much harder. Adding the zealots back in was much easier. Hvs needs an actual frontline to play around

[latent belfry]

I'm excited for smarter people to figure out everything for me

[low harbor]

Makes barely any difference

[bronze glade]

4 hvs and just play guerrila warfare

[tardy citrus]

I wanna see all the batshit scum characters

[low harbor]

100%

[limber cradle]

Why do we call them hvs instead of HS

[low harbor]

This is like a team roamer guy to me

[tardy citrus]

Yeah I can imagine an Ogryn with taunt pairing VERY VERY nicely with scum

Give the scum time to kill

[hollow oar]

Hold on

[latent belfry]

Because we already have an HS, heavy sword

[low harbor]

I have the unique ability of gaslighting people into using my abbreviations

[toxic dagger]

Anything that makes space is a bueno partner

[hollow oar]

Aggro reduction

On a high rof weapon

[limber cradle]

Also, I think 4 HS is probably a worse comp than a rounded one but tbh I don't like any 4 stack class comp for Havoc.

[bronze glade]

i still think HIV is the right abbreviation

[hollow oar]

When suppression builds twice the aggro

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/rahhh-rahh-willem-dafoe-tongue-out-screaming-gif-8227572542877822010

[hollow oar]

That node is

[tardy citrus]

Scum

[hollow oar]

💀

[low harbor]

Veteran = vet
Zealot = z
Psyker (derogatory)
Ogryn = og
Arbites = arb
Hive scum = hvs

[limber cradle]

Fuckin apparently man

[toxic dagger]

It very emperically was but yes monoclass parties are harder than good combinations

Goes for any class

[limber cradle]

Aye

[hollow oar]

I'm going to call them Hiver because kenshi

[tardy citrus]

Tertium Butcher

[hardy spruce]

short for scum

o

[limber cradle]

I'm calling them Scum Dumpsters

[tardy citrus]

Atoma Creeper

[hardy spruce]

i got automodded

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[toxic dagger]

Banned

[calm aurora]

Hives.cum

[hollow oar]

Lol get hard on'd

Hadron'd

[limber cradle]

Alright I like actually gotta pick a name for HS tho cause my vet is Patches

[tardy citrus]

Hank are you able to tell us what normal weapons they have access to?

[limber cradle]

Patches would've been a great HS name

[winged bay]

you can look at gameslantern build editor

[low harbor]

DC sword
Heavy sword
Tac axe
Combat axe
Knife
Chainsword
Chainaxe

Shredder autopistol
Braced autogun
Infantry autogun
Vigilant autogun
Bolt pistol
Revolver
Combat shotgun
DB shotgun

[hollow oar]

No lasers
No big bolter

[bronze glade]

interesting that they get chord

[tardy citrus]

chain axe 🤮

[bronze glade]

also why do they get vigils lol

[limber cradle]

Vigils makes sense to me, they're just a gun

[hollow oar]

Sometimes you have to have a good shot on the streets

[low harbor]

Irrelevant

[tardy citrus]

they get the bolt pistol

[low harbor]

Tbh u basically play this class to play their 3 exclusive melee, or combat axe prob lol

[tardy citrus]

crazy work

combat and double barrel shotties

[low harbor]

No point running anything else

[limber cradle]

The knives look sick nasty tbh

[latent belfry]

Cshotgun

[tardy citrus]

nice they have a good selection on ranged

[latent belfry]

Tac axe

[crude matrix]

wb knoife?

[hazy vector]

Why channel already exists

[tardy citrus]

unyielding on the bone saw is gonna go CRAZY

[low harbor]

Shiv
Crowbar
Bonesaw
Combat axe

Idk why knife when u have shiv

[grand jewel]

NDA lifted

[crude matrix]

true

[latent belfry]

Why caxe over taxe

[low harbor]

Cuz better

lol

[crude matrix]

caxe better

[latent belfry]

No.......

[winged bay]

does this node really at best reduce 5s cooldown out of base 45s (it's a bit better than that due to the extension mechanic but still)

[low harbor]

Tbh given how desperado works it’s not that big of a deal

Like

[crude matrix]

the ability is gonna last a long long while anyway

[low harbor]

It has upwards of 30s uptime

[bronze glade]

looks like they get short shot

[winged bay]

it sounds like trash

[little hawk]

Does bolt pistol's blessing effect the rockets explosive radius?

[low harbor]

U fucking bet

Unless it gets patched to not work on any explosion outside of boltpistol’s it’ll most likely work for the rocket

[crude matrix]

if they dont cap it desperado will have like infinite uptime lol

[limber cradle]

Maybe i break naming conventions, name my Scum Jacket

[tardy citrus]

🤔

[low harbor]

Do not decapitator

Also prob run smth like flak/unyielding + carapace

[latent belfry]

Decapitator

[lean perch]

Free toxin dots and brittleness built into weapons, access to uncanny strike weapons, throwing knives built into shivs, regen stun nades, free ammo and ranged immunity on desperado, and a pocket stim…this is gonna be a stacked class if people actually learn how to use movement

[latent belfry]

[calm aurora]

Tac axe gonna be real nasty lol

[latent belfry]

Me when I run out of enemies

[crude matrix]

decapitator? i 'ardly know her

[uneven rune]

So is this class like crazy squishy.

Cause that'll kill it for me.

[tardy citrus]

ur right i was silly

[hot moth]

yes

[tardy citrus]

i need wrath

[uneven rune]

Into the bin it goes.

[hot moth]

a stiff breeze kills you

[bronze glade]

just become a dodge tank

[low harbor]

Idk if it’ll scale as good given they have crowbar which seems to handle the fast atk speed mixed horde stagger melee type fairly well

[hollow oar]

Because taxe is shit

[low harbor]

And they have a talent that just gives u way further dodge

[hollow oar]

[hot moth]

you fail to notice one reaper in a hih place or a shotgunner or a plasmagunner andd you liteally just go straiht to the floor

[uneven rune]

Dookie.

[hollow oar]

Do not the decap

[low harbor]

If u think about it hard enough bonesaw is basically what falchion should have been but wasn’t

[latent belfry]

Every class must be able to shower in gunner bullets for 10 seconds

Or I do not want it

[limber cradle]

Me when Scum comes out

[latent belfry]

Jacket is a great name lmao

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I'm defo going Jacket tbh

[normal steeple]

@toxic dagger who made this node

[low harbor]

LosPollosHermanos fits into FS’s 18 character limit for names

[neon fern]

wtf lol

[limber cradle]

Hank can we petition the art team for a rooster mask?

[normal steeple]

surely someone who's never played the game?

[toxic dagger]

It has a very brutal softcap. Extension drops very sharply after x seconds (20? 30?)

[tardy citrus]

The mechanical cock

[livid raven]

so you can stand still, unload your smg on a crusher doing an overhead and you are fine

[normal steeple]

actually even someone who has never played would be able to see this is a stupid idea

[toxic dagger]

Nearly impossible to extend further

[tardy citrus]

20-30 seconds of total immunity though?

that's still insane lmao

[livid raven]

so is the class mid-powerwise

[tardy citrus]

cracked out fucking hive scum

[vernal sluice]

Depends on how well you play

[toxic dagger]

Ranged immunity

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-mad-max-fury-road-gif-mad-max-road-rage-powerful-gif-23410772

[low harbor]

No, top 3

[tardy citrus]

WITNESSSSSSSS

[livid raven]

it says immune to all attacks there

[low harbor]

But given how broken psyker is

[vernal sluice]

Imagime popping desperado and an arbites just deletes all your targets with a shotgun

[hot moth]

to be fair that's not what the node says there lol

[low harbor]

Of all non-psyker classes it gets like a top 2

[calm aurora]

Yeah but no BM. Which may be irrelevant now tbh. Does crowbar stagger as well and has good mobility tho? Or is it shovel v2?

[tardy citrus]

Yeah it's immunity to ALL attacks

That's fucking diabolical

[toxic dagger]

Oh that node. I have no idea how that works tbh

[winged bay]

Vulture's dodge makes you count as dodging for melee/ranged

[normal steeple]

even if it's immunity to just ranged attacks, this node would be fucking horrendous

[vernal sluice]

Is it actual immunity or count as dodging?

[winged bay]

but you can still get hit by e.g. overhead

[normal steeple]

literally just empathic evasion mk2

[crude matrix]

is this better or worse than v*t

[limber cradle]

Oh this is insane

[normal steeple]

they've just got to get rid of all the developers atp

what are they doing

[low harbor]

They have a +25% dodge distance talent so idk if tac axe is worth for the dodge when it’s just gonna be worse mixed horde, monster and carapace dps

Seems like too much trade for mobility

[limber cradle]

Yeah we need the real wording on that one lol

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-witness-war-boy-valhalla-v8-gif-6808897472762244011

[blissful gull]

which hive scum melees have good armor damage? IDK if running needler with desperado is the play which is why I ask

[thorn token]

Anyone decided on what personality they're gonna go with? I'm meaning male outlaw rn

[tardy citrus]

Scum preparing to leap off the thunderhawk

Directly into battle

[low harbor]

All 3 do

[uneven rune]

Bounty Hunter

[woeful agate]

Question: Will gungryn potentially be improved with Hivescum?

I see this improved gunslinger and survivalist combo.

[lean perch]

For the melee attack immunity on slide talent, can you literally spam slide into crusher overheads and take no damage?

[crude matrix]

male bounty hunter

[tardy citrus]

The cleaver will be a savage against armor definitely

[normal steeple]

this class has 3 different ways to ignore all damage, what a fantastically made class

this is worse than arbites

[toxic dagger]

Relax lmao, play the class first!!! You cannot judge its power by the talent tree. This always happens, people severely misjudged e.g. Ogryn rework also

[low harbor]

Prob not, it most likely works as a dodge state which means untargetable but not unhittable

[calm aurora]

The VA are horrendous

[crude matrix]

holy rage bait

[low harbor]

M, Outlaw or bounty

[normal steeple]

?????????? ogryn rework was the second worst thing to happen to this game

[calm aurora]

Like there's femanarch and that's it

[tardy citrus]

That juicy, juicy cleaver..

I'm salivating..

[uneven rune]

From the looks of it, it needs the damage ignoring stuff otherwise it gets knocked over by a stiff breeze.

[latent belfry]

Idk I took one look at the crowbar and was satisfied

[blissful gull]

IDK if running the cleaver without rampage is a good idea since it seems kinda slow and you're so soft.

[tardy citrus]

Trades damage reduction for limited immunity.

[woeful agate]

True. I was disappointed at first. Now my Power maul build is unstoppable. 😈

[vernal sluice]

ogryn actually not ass to play anymore
guys this is just the worst!!!

[low harbor]

The immunity isn’t that limited

[tardy citrus]

We'll just have to see!

[uneven rune]

It has no get of jail nodes either from what I see like vet and psyker do.

[thorn token]

Hive Scum is about as tough as psyker when they aren't under desperado

[normal steeple]

unbelievable that people consider ogryn rework good

it had like 2 good changes

the rest was just taking all damage to 11

[flint granite]

🫃

[limber cradle]

Psyker is ungodly tough wdym

[crude matrix]

anything happens
WHY FATSHARK 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
nothing happens
WHY FATSHARK 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[tardy citrus]

More dakka is better

[lean perch]

Just like psyker isn’t tough when sciers gaze is off?

[limber cradle]

Why did fatshark murder my puppy and wife?

[normal steeple]

do the people in this chat think the current state of the game is actually good?

[tardy citrus]

Fatshark can't do anything right tbh they're doomed to be criticized no matter what

[vernal sluice]

Yes

[limber cradle]

Whats your yt, someone told me you have the voices up

[toxic dagger]

My point is that so many people looked at it and said "wow this is hot garbage, still the worst class zzzzz" and then he turned out pretty strong. Looking at a bunch of talents without context and hands-on experience gives you a super skewed expectation.

[normal steeple]

elites in this game are less dangerous than horde enemies in vermintide 1

[zealous ravine]

i kinda hate how they handle news this is so hecking much cool stuff i need to take a nap

[crude matrix]

why did fatshark steal my last $20

[toxic dagger]

Also Hank

[normal steeple]

i see a group of 30 shotgunners and i dont think "oh shit im going to die" i think "oh nice free CDR"

[limber cradle]

Thanks

[uneven rune]

The problem with the game has nothing to do with class balance lmao and everything to do with havoc being a balance anchor that sucks ass and dueling sword existing at all.

[limber cradle]

Wait like "Hank" or "Also Hank"

[near mauve]

ok nah the stuff hamdol is showing is so bonkers im gonna lovee this class but this is beyond broken

[toxic dagger]

"Hank"

[lean perch]

No, I need more damage immune glass cannon classes with cleave dots and rending please

[normal steeple]

ogryn rework was like all the worst stuff in the game

[zealous ravine]

havoc is still awful

[toxic dagger]

Just search for Hank datktide and I'm the only result

[calm aurora]

I think mister e actually made a good point in his video comparing dt and vt melee

[limber cradle]

Alright thank you

[normal steeple]

and i was saying the opposite

[vernal sluice]

Darktide has problems but class reworks weren't one of them lol

[zealous ravine]

i might climb to 40 again but dear god just keep me at 40 already for once

[tardy citrus]

What blessings do you guys think would be good for the stub pistols? Hit and run and what else?

[crude matrix]

i think we need to gigabuff the enemies again

[unreal osprey]

famously weak class, the ogryn rework

[zealous ravine]

i just wanna play the videogame not grind rank for the 8th time

[normal steeple]

the ogryn rework doubled down on the insane power creep of patch 13, then arbites did it even more, then the class reworks in BBD, now hive scum

[crude matrix]

fr can we remove rank decay on havoc

[calm aurora]

That was not his point tho.

[normal steeple]

soon we'll have actual crusher hordes

[uneven rune]

I'd be fine with gigabuffing enemies if they reduced special and elite spawns to the numbers they have in Ratgame 2

[zealous ravine]

god i'd play so much havoc if they just kept me at 40

[crude matrix]

i did not watch the video

[uneven rune]

[unreal osprey]

havoc has decay? what is this league

[vernal sluice]

Go doom somewhere else holy shit

[tardy citrus]

Ah yes, the famous Crusher deathball..

[vernal sluice]

You sound like a youtuber

[toxic dagger]

Yeah I want tougher but fewer specials and elites for sure

[normal steeple]

do you know what toxic positivity is

[compact oyster]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077aed0-ac4e-4403-8c4b-42d6848db68a/dumb-idiot?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[normal steeple]

no criticising my favourite thing!!! invincible classes are good!!!

[compact oyster]

dumb stinky idiot build

[toxic dagger]

Or maybe not even fewer, given that modded vt2 also has a lot of them

[hot moth]

i prefer DT shocktroops levelof specials myself

[normal steeple]

you guys are sure saying words

[near mauve]

how is this gonna happen when we muruder them in 2 seconds

[zealous ravine]

i mean the class is awesome i just hate havoc

[toxic dagger]

But they do more steady spawns, not clown cars of 10 crushers at once

[unreal osprey]

why are we already allowed to make builds when no one’s played the class

[crude matrix]

yea can we 300 bulwarks please fat shark

[compact oyster]

this is just theorizing

[calm aurora]

So basically he said that in VT you had to rely on your skill first rather than a combination of talent / nukes hard to balance

[normal steeple]

one single lone slave rat in vt1 is more dangerous a plague ogryn in this game

[toxic dagger]

That's what the tougher part is for but it's not up to me anyway.

[limber cradle]

Yeah I'm defo going male BH or Outlaw

[toxic dagger]

For every suggestion that makes it in, i have 15 ideas that aren't acted on.

Same for all the testers. Such is life

[limber cradle]

Leaning male BH hard rn tho

[compact oyster]

i could see ranged builds having a chance

[uneven rune]

I would prefer VT2 like balance but the devs are more content with players being massively powerful whilst spamming balls of dangerous enemies (and hordes being trash)

[blissful gull]

is toxin mania good? I forgot if +% base damage was kind of dogshit like +% crit damage.

[crude matrix]

honestly good take but i think a lot of darktide is also very skill dependent
its kinda disingenuous to say that darktide purely relies on nukes

[uneven rune]

I guess it's easier for casual players that way.

[near mauve]

ranged builds have all the chance bro there's a talent that gives u 20% of ur ammo back instantly after u reach 0 so u can just 24/7 magdump

[tardy citrus]

Wait the stimm lab uses different talent points?

Or is it from the same pool?

[uneven rune]

Different pool.

[tardy citrus]

.

Holy fuck

[toxic dagger]

That one probably needs an ICD lol

[uneven rune]

Yeah that's kinda neat.

[unreal osprey]

a what

[tardy citrus]

oh my GOD brother this class is cooking

[toxic dagger]

Internal cooldown

[near mauve]

ngl this whole class looks fun as fuck but half of the things being shown are?????

[lean perch]

Whole separate tree, just a free customized stim that regens

[toxic dagger]

To stop it from proccing constantly so you neva eva eva run out

[near mauve]

insane levels of dmg

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-brule-orgasm-funny-chills-gif-8291454

[unreal osprey]

it doesn’t already? isn’t that just infinite ammo

[reef ledge]

You get them every Lvl, but price is incresed with each node from middle.

[tardy citrus]

a thing of beauty, fatshark

[novel oracle]

that was kind of the entire point

[tardy citrus]

a thing of beauty

[toxic dagger]

There was balancing during early access, it had more dmg for a while than it landed on

[reef ledge]

And each node incresee CD 🙁

[toxic dagger]

A lot of footage is from 1st iteration

But it still hits hard asf I'm guessing

It's also made of paper

[near mauve]

ig fatshark just loves making us feel like gods

[toxic dagger]

High risk high reward

[novel oracle]

hive scum is a very ammo inefficient class when built for ranged cuz it eats up so much

[woeful agate]

Heavy sword has found a home with this class.

[novel oracle]

when youre not in focus mode, at least

[lean perch]

More damage than what testers have made videos on? That’s crazy…

[woeful agate]

Rampage looks crazy

[zealous ravine]

btw did plasma gun rework or any big balance changes make it to this update?

[compact oyster]

i already saw some changes from videos vs the gameslantern stuff

[toxic dagger]

No, I'm saying that high damage is in some of the videos

[zealous ravine]

havnet found any yet

[reef ledge]

So... how good this could be?

[toxic dagger]

But it's already outdated

[compact oyster]

tomorrow some gameslantern stuff is surely to change

[novel oracle]

while that node shouldve had a cooldown, it was always with the intent that you could always have a few bullets when you needed them

[compact oyster]

happened with arbites too

[compact oyster]

very

[uneven rune]

I was gonna build for melee anyway because I only play with randos and randos cannot fucking melee to save their lives, a lesson learned a month into VT2.

[limber cradle]

Isn't that a tweaked grail knight talent?

[novel oracle]

very good for minor investment on a ranged build
like using knives as a defensive backup

[flint granite]

I don't mind the class being stupid damage wise as long as they're made of glass which they seem to be

[novel oracle]

and on melee builds itll prolly see more use with hyperviolence being 1s now

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[crude matrix]

WHC IS BACK IN BUSINESS

[reef ledge]

Who?

[tardy citrus]

very good lol

[limber cradle]

Witch Hunter Captain

[near mauve]

i can still see people folding like flies ngl

[limber cradle]

Nah that's a GK talent, WHC autokilled anything mansized on Crit Headshot

[crude matrix]

i may be illiterate

[azure mist]

Oh it absolutely does, if it somehow flies under the radar magdumping veteran players rejoice LMAO

Bonesaw looks incredibly interesting if you build into a More Chemist based path

[near mauve]

ya know its kinda funny hearing people reactions in a big vc cause this is the only community im in that has people groaning at op shit

[compact oyster]

crowbar can lean into psuedo chemist with 1 stack of toxin on melee critical hit

[jaunty spire]

havoc gonna be interesteding with hivescum

[compact oyster]

you can get 35% crit chance very easily

akimbo pistols boosting to 55%

[azure mist]

Shivs can also from Talents + Its high crit chance

[winged bay]

Any non-hivescum related changes that can be talked about?

[azure mist]

Technically Combat Blade also cause they have base knife

[compact oyster]

yeah the throwing knives give toxin stacks

[sharp trout]

Ogryn is getting a new personality voiced by saltzpyre VA, apparently

[crude matrix]

fatshark reportedly getting 20% fatter in the next quarter

[azure mist]

Possible Uncanny Strike nerf

[tardy citrus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077b203-e62f-46b6-ba6b-be68a6281310/hive-scumma

[azure mist]

idk Shiv's have an actual nerfed version

Shivs have a max of 40%

[winged bay]

Commissartyr said the nerf is only for shivs (for now)

[hollow oar]

I'll definitely take it on knife

Or Hsword

[cinder hornet]

the stim supply combined with the arbites vox thingy is gonna be hilarious

[hollow oar]

Drugs and Bangers

Perfect setup for chilling

[cinder hornet]

call it a rave

[compact oyster]

i expect it to be rolled out for all weapons soon

[latent belfry]

Please

It's a fuckin start atleast

[azure mist]

Its NEEDED

lmao

[crude matrix]

now lets get some like actually substantial buffs to the perks that arent just 25% damage to (insert armor type)

[tardy citrus]

🤔

[azure mist]

bait talent

[tardy citrus]

tru

[hazy vector]

that's so stupid

[normal steeple]

@toxic dagger do any of the testers have a say in what havoc mutators stay in rotation

[tardy citrus]

[latent lark]

thoughts on the voices ?

[normal steeple]

surely fatshark must have heard that nobody likes the current mutators

[crude matrix]

MOGS VET 50% AURA TALENT ITS OVER VET 3 IS HERE POWERCREEPED REMOVE VET

[exotic oxide]

oh wow

[hardy spruce]

getting louder

[tardy citrus]

the stim lab is so cool

[uneven rune]

The next ones will be worse somehow

[calm aurora]

https://youtu.be/W1E4xZvszII?si=s1S2QypZXiKF4s_h

[normal steeple]

they're already making the current ones worse

[uneven rune]

They need to just let people select modifiers and difficulty freely, havoc is a certified BAD GAME MODE until then.

[calm aurora]

This is hvs

[normal steeple]

yeah

[blissful gull]

does the bonesaw apply chem toxin on each hit?

[livid raven]

was arbites' lone wolf recharge nerfed

[novel oracle]

yes
more on crit and ripping attacks

[normal steeple]

im blaming cole for these mutators

[novel oracle]

you blame me for everything anyway

[normal steeple]

do testers get a say in mutators

[calm aurora]

Havoc is the second worst thing in the game. After derank.

[normal steeple]

or is this purely fatshark's malfunctioning carbon monoxide detector

[uneven rune]

We would not have derank if not for Shatvoc.

[winged bay]

I reported rotten armor not affecting melee, you can blame me for that

[calm aurora]

That's my point.

[livid raven]

i thought that was the point of rotten armor

[normal steeple]

now it'll be even less fun

[novel oracle]

i pushed back on the melee dr, but that never happened cuz there wasnt time to change it further
the purple changes were okayed because theyre straight up just flat nerfs without removing the point of the modifier

[normal steeple]

wow no wonder telopots went insane

[novel oracle]

only unarmored enemies have the same values as before

every other enemy type heals less

[winged bay]

Rotten having dr at all doesn't make sense but the code suggested the intent was to have both ranged and melee

[normal steeple]

they should've been reduced to 0

[normal steeple]

so smart of fatshark to increase crusher hp, give them melee DR and spawn hundreds of them

[spring onyx]

Time to make crusher overheads irrelevant.

[normal steeple]

@unique dagger how many times have you argued in test server

[tardy citrus]

yes, and purple mode applies brittle and does more damage to armor

[blissful gull]

sick! is the bonesaw slow enough that you thinks there are better options on non-rampage builds?

[calm aurora]

You have to understand that playtesters are getting served shit and they can just say ok it tastes like shit, with shit taste being on the spectrum from runny to hard. They're not designers.

[zealous ravine]

derank removal someday 🙏

maybe

[normal steeple]

how do fatshark employees have jobs

they created a niche around their games then immediately abandoned that niche in favour of braindead warframe whales

[novel oracle]

itll probably start to hurt without any atk speed, but you can easily reach stam atk speed if youre going ranged, or just taking adrenaline

[latent belfry]

I agree let's replace all the fs employees with the dt discord chatters

[tardy citrus]

im takin cleaver regardless

[cinder hornet]

One of the female VAs is shared with Savant psyker right? Is it anarchist

[zealous ravine]

so did the update buff scriers gaze again or not? lmao

[cinder hornet]

I swear I can hear her

[normal steeple]

@novel oracle how did they buff psyker

[jovial thorn]

Nah let’s replace em with the Vermintide 2 Game devs

That rat game gets WAY MORE CONTENT and FAST UPDATES than Darktide‼️💢😤

[normal steeple]

can we get a pskyer skill tree rework??? he needs help

[novel oracle]

they didnt

[normal steeple]

please rework EVERY class again

[compact oyster]

could you shut the fuck up

[compact oyster]

genuinely

[blissful gull]

thx!

[zealous ravine]

oh thank hecking god

[compact oyster]

holy fucking miserable jesus christ

[cinder hornet]

wtf isn’t psyker great now

[jovial thorn]

the classes already BEEN reworked

[blissful gull]

is swift endurance good?

[zealous ravine]

psyker is insanely strong rn yes

[cinder hornet]

every clas has had a rework

lol

[latent belfry]

He spent all his joy on thanksgiving maybe

[low harbor]

Lmao rot armor applying DR vs melee is crazy

[zealous ravine]

we just meme cause scriers keeps getting buffs somehow

[novel oracle]

very

[cinder hornet]

I’m gonna play the shit out of my arbitrator when scum drops

I need to hear the interactions so bad

[low harbor]

They really want 2 vets just on krak duty 24/7

[jovial thorn]

I don’t think eggfever even plays Darktide 🥀🥀🥀

[novel oracle]

its 8% atk speed normally, but with a +3 stam curio its now 14% melee attack speed while at max stam

[vernal sluice]

inb4 eggfever is a Tanner alt

[latent belfry]

Wouldn't surprise me

[normal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hadmyback-igorlights-igor-gif-8201602355649597129

[compact oyster]

egg is having another manchild breakdown over classes

this has happened before

[blissful gull]

it's 8% normally? i thought hive scum had just 3 stam base, so +6% atk speed, and +12% with a curio.

[jovial thorn]

Me when ✨MommaHadron✨ shows me The Stuff

[novel oracle]

weapons also have stamina
like the shivs have +1

[jovial thorn]

😳

[low harbor]

He’s not entirely wrong some talents are just blatantly overtuned

[normal steeple]

enjoy your flashing colours and big numbers bro

[compact oyster]

some are but you could also talk normally about it

[bronze glade]

which ones? so i can... avoid them

[blissful gull]

is cleaver also +1?

[normal steeple]

how can i talk "normally" about it when fatshark are deliberately killing their own game and the playerbase is cheering it on

[tardy citrus]

people need to understand it's also a money thing. there's nothing necessarily wrong with SOME of the talents being overtuned on release imo, as long as they address them in due time.

[normal steeple]

this is literally you

[flint granite]

I'm sure it'll get nerfed like Arby did I'm not sweating about it

[tardy citrus]

i dont want my new dlc to suck dick

[normal steeple]

jingle some keys and you're happy

[tardy citrus]

cry about it

[bronze glade]

arby barely got touched tbh

[latent belfry]

I've never seen someone this mad in a while

Damn

[jovial thorn]

Yea especially Ogryn where’s the New Weapons⁉️

[lean perch]

Just look at the tree on gameslantern and look at half the talents

[vernal sluice]

Undisputably so but calling the class reworks terrible is a stretch

[zealous ravine]

i dont give a zamn half the videos are outdated balance wise and we havent even played it lol

[bronze glade]

already did. i'm asking for path's opinion specifically.

[winged bay]

should go back to launch talent trees

[near mauve]

the balance is bing bong wahoo but this game is never getting balanced so unironically either enjoy the ride or dip

[vernal sluice]

I still can't believe scrier's gaze got so many unasked for buffs but here were we are I guess

[zealous ravine]

HELP!! HEEEEEELP

[calm aurora]

Gotta sell dlcs bro

[vernal sluice]

Also more importantly game still isn't easy because randoms still suck

[zealous ravine]

and havoc still sucks

[uneven rune]

That doesn't always work out at least, launch Engineer was the worst class in Vermintide 2 for like 3 years.

[near mauve]

its never getting balanced not after what ive seen in these videos

[candid flare]

Who's ready to scum all over

[flint granite]

I'm scumming everywhere

[latent belfry]

I'm a scumdog millionaire

[novel oracle]

no i lied
its going to be 20% with saw

[winged bay]

havoc is the hardest it has been, regardless of all the buffs and power creep

[flint granite]

Havoc is unfun bullshit rn with certain modifiers

[vernal sluice]

tainted stimms is a nightmare of a modifier lmao

I love how evil it is but I would never never actually play it

[glossy cosmos]

no medstims and we get corruption cleanse for what exactly?

[calm aurora]

I think it's half true tbh. What sells is the cool factor. Arbites must have creamed the pants of a lot of neackbeards trying to be tacticool

[zealous ravine]

ughhh i kinda wanna climb to 40 again but dear god

[latent belfry]

Cleansing corruption

[lean perch]

Changing the derank to a once a week thing would probably solve a lot of Havoc frustration. I don’t mind losing with my team if I’m having fun and using fun builds, but I hate the derank system that encourages a stale meta and makes losing unfun.

[vernal sluice]

I gave up already, ts not worth it twin 🥀

[zealous ravine]

just remove the derank completely it serves no purpose but to be annoying

[vernal sluice]

not even the slimiest meta voc vet build helps unless ur playing in a good premade

[uneven rune]

It would be really funny if a Mechanicus class happens and it's as bad if not worse than Outcast Engineer was at launch.

[near mauve]

remove havoc 1 to 29

[glossy cosmos]

so they nerfing zealot corruption cleanse to like, 0.1% per 1 minute 💀

[vast ferry]

they won't do that, they want player retention stats 😏

[latent belfry]

How long have people been asking for this derank shit anyway

[uneven rune]

Remove havoc.

[brittle sierra]

Remove havoc tbh

Just add another difficulty after auric

[uneven rune]

[latent belfry]

It seems like a massive problem

[zealous ravine]

the heckin retention mechanics lmao

[zealous ravine]

the real solution

[vernal sluice]

since it was being playtested believe it or not

[zealous ravine]

i dont think its ever stopping

[calm aurora]

Derank is not thinning players based on skill, it's enforcing stale meta from unskilled players.

[zealous ravine]

yeah basically

[spring onyx]

I remember the halcyon days of 1.0 Havoc.

[formal valley]

derank is honestly the main reason I haven't even touched Havoc

[zealous ravine]

climbing to 40 again and again is just so unbeliveably annoying

[vernal sluice]

barrel me off silo cluster if I'm wrong but I recall epic cole mentioning that playtesters asked for deranking to be removed

[lean perch]

Yes, but maybe add some havoc modifiers into regular missions in that case. Not everyone is ready for Havoc 40 but they still enjoy some of the modifier (besides the cancerous ones)

[latent belfry]

I want to try havoc seriously because I want to be a skilled player at this game

[calm aurora]

As a 43 yo, I'd rather do something else tbh

[latent belfry]

But like

[near mauve]

ranks in none comp games make no goddamn sense

[latent belfry]

Doesn't seem worth

[vernal sluice]

‼️ unc!!! ‼️

[flint granite]

Unc alert

[spring onyx]

This is why I didn’t even bother with this season’s climb. Already suffered through it twice.

[blissful gull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077b9eb-1d01-411c-a641-add362465e7d/crackheadv1?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

is this a bad build?

[near mauve]

im mostly joking but they should just have 4? havoc diffs since everyoen either plays 40 or 30 or 20 ect
no one cares about havoc 26.5

[zealous ravine]

i managed to climb to 40 like probably 4-5 times but nowadays im just so tired of it

[latent belfry]

Don't unc now, lest you be unc'd later

[spring onyx]

Same.

[vernal sluice]

but everyone uncs, it's inevitable

[latent belfry]

What did unc mean by this .....

[vernal sluice]

I'm uncing out twin

[brittle sierra]

Also

Instead of party finder

Give people the ability to host their own matches so they can add the modifiers and difficulties that they want

[spring onyx]

Wait, how many havoc seasons have there been so far? Maybe I did the climb more than twice, idk.

[woeful hill]

4 or 5

[vernal sluice]

4? 5? 6? I lost track

[calm aurora]

90% of the h40 players I see in AM ragequits after dying in the first minutes or abuse cheese mechanics. The rest is excellent tho.

[zealous ravine]

at least they didnt add derank to hecking normal difficulties

just copy that to havoc now lmao

[low harbor]

Precision violence

• melee atks grant 4% TGH, melee crit atks & melee atks that hit weakspot grant 8% TGH, and melee crit atks that hit weakspot grant 12% TGH
  Float like a butterfly
• gain 20%Tcrit chance for 3s on successful dodge
  Slippery customer
• dodge state vs melee atks while sliding
  Hyper-critical
• melee crit hits instakill human enemies if enemy hp < [2x crit hit’s total dmg]
  Pickpocket
• all elite/specialist kill refill reserve ammo to 20% if reserve ammo was <20%
  Vulture’s dodge (ranged keystone subnode)
• landing any ranged crit hits instakill human grants 1s dodge state vs melee & ranged atks
  Tis but a scratch
• taking any TGH damage from ranged atks while TGH >0% will grant 10% TGH/s for 3s, which stops immediately if TGH hits 0%

That’s what I can name atm

[spring onyx]

K, then I think I did the 40 climb 3 times for sure. 1.0, bugged rituals, and then some other one with the new ranking system.

[vernal sluice]

were u here when someone @ed me saying normal missions should also get a derank mechanic post difficulty rework

truly a take of all time

[woeful hill]

normal missions should also get a derank mechanic post difficulty rework

[brittle sierra]

20% ammo reserves

WHAT THE FUCK

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1443681760029442170/sugarcoat.gif

[zealous ravine]

i dont rember that but mayb?

[vernal sluice]

🙀

[low harbor]

[zealous ravine]

😨 !!!!!

[vernal sluice]

Ainz jumpscare

[brittle sierra]

What are they smoking at Fatshark

Gimmie that shit

[low harbor]

Hvs rly got some blatantly op talents lol

[vast ferry]

that's 20% ammo thing is something else 😂

[zealous ravine]

20% ammo thingy so silly

[bronze glade]

hmm i agree with most of these but feels like dodge talents have proc issues. also is slippery customer that good? if you're sliding, you're prob not going to get hit anyway

[vast ferry]

also this

[blissful gull]

what blessings are good on the shivs?

[vernal sluice]

depends on where you're sliding relative to the enemy attacking you

I for one fuck it up all the time lmao

[compact oyster]

I think alot of hive scum's strengths are massively offset with the class being extremely fragile

[low harbor]

Also it’s not “gain 20% reserve ammo” it’s “set reserve ammo to 20%” in case u misunderstand it

Still super strong tho

[winged bay]

when you slide normally melee attacks can still track you

[low harbor]

I think needs to be like 10% max lol

[winged bay]

with the talent you can just spam sprint slide past enemies

[bronze glade]

hmm

[low harbor]

And harder to proc

[stuck bobcat]

Hive scum is a better ranged class than vet lol

[zealous ravine]

im ok with 20% reserve just having a big cd

[bronze glade]

i think it's something i'd have to actually play to see if it's worth

because it feels like i never get hit while sliding anyway

[low harbor]

Nah they do diff things

[frosty pumice]

prob uncanny+mercykiller

[vast ferry]

I got flattened by crusher overhead more than once mid slide, this thing you can just slide through crushers now like it's nothing 😂

[glossy cosmos]

wait pause if i get an apple green med stim, and use the stim supply i can heal?! PAUSE

[lean perch]

They’re not any more fragile than a Vet on paper to me tbh, we’ll have to wait for release to actually know though

[compact oyster]

Hive scum doesnt have iron will

[near mauve]

so the class folds like paper but can literally avoid all dmg on crit and slide

[zealous ravine]

welcome back psyker

[low harbor]

Idk I don’t think they’re that fragile

[lean perch]

Doesn’t need it when they get ranged immunity and toughness regen out of their ass

[bronze glade]

yeah crusher has AOE, but realistically i'm usually not sliding around crushers, i'm dodging

[low harbor]

No, it’s also dodge state

It’s not damage invulnerability

[blissful gull]

how are you going to get bleeds tho?

[low harbor]

U will still get flattened by crusher if u get hit

[toxic dagger]

agree

[vast ferry]

got slide to kite when there's an entire horde behind you 😒

[zealous ravine]

im so hungry for any havoc qol

[low harbor]

Only 3 diffs should exist
21 for havoc novice
31 for havoc proper
40 for true havoc

Every other havoc rank can go and nobody would miss them

[zealous ravine]

it could be quite fun if they actually fix it properlly

[frosty pumice]

you dont you just kill

[visual scarab]

I just want Havoc to have quick play

[zealous ravine]

quickplay, no more deranking

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/playstation-access-scum-psa-ashleigh-millman-gif-24088529

[twilit canyon]

i still dont know why deranking is a thing

[zealous ravine]

probably player retention

[vast ferry]

Player retention is always the answer

[zealous ravine]

except its the 1 thing making havoc miserable for me

[twilit canyon]

they lost their "player retention" with the gamba shops, so they had to come up with another

[zealous ravine]

i could hop on for some havoc 40 hive scum right away but noooo deranked

[lean perch]

This tbh, I think most Havoc 40 players would be happy with Havoc 30 as the kinda chill difficulty and leaving Havoc 40 as the sweat difficulty. Auric is just a snooze fest at this point.

[near mauve]

reverse psychology shit
players will have a reason to play if there's content to unlock or ranks to grind

just how it is

[echo harness]

All they need to do for havoc is make it so I can solo Q into it. Finding groups for it is a pain

[spark gyro]

It’s out already wth???

[twilit canyon]

unironically, is the one thing keeping me from playing it

[twilit canyon]

dec 2nd bozo

[hearty crest]

SCUMMERS, RISE UP

[zealous ravine]

yeah lmao

[near mauve]

i mean lets face it havoc playerbase is these guys with 1000000000k hours and they need something to grind ig?

[twilit canyon]

they should grind some maidends

[jovial thorn]

the class IS out rn me am playing it rn‼️‼️‼️

[hearty crest]

Real!!!

[jovial thorn]

Guyz itz epic a

[lean perch]

Derank actively makes me play less so idk what metrics Fatshark is deluding themselves with

[twilit canyon]

true af, i am scumming all over

[blissful gull]

mercykiller only works on bleeding enemies

[unkempt flicker]

Scumslaves unite 🫡

[zealous ravine]

i have no idea

[twilit canyon]

no one can stop me from scummin

[zealous ravine]

WAIT

[frosty pumice]

youre right lol

[zealous ravine]

your name makes sense now

[jovial thorn]

I would show Gameplay of me playing hive scum but It’s a secert ladz

[zealous ravine]

we do have ogryn saltzpyre coming

[velvet folio]

I assume people who got the DLC early have early access?

[low harbor]

The new og voice sounds off tbh

[compact oyster]

Its a very old personality

[low harbor]

Don’t like it as much as the existing ones

[twilit canyon]

nah, they just hacked into fatshark servers

[compact oyster]

And doesnt really fit the roughness of ogryn

[brittle sierra]

Yes absolutely correct

[jovial thorn]

yep and me am onez of them

[twilit canyon]

ill be rough i promise

[blissful gull]

does +% attack speed apply to ranged attacks?

[velvet folio]

as ever my brain is enormous

[zealous ravine]

wuh

ig the gameslantern is probably the up to date one

imma check that instead

[low harbor]

No, swift endurance is only melee atk speed

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/stupidity-look-serius-gif-26117549

i laughed so hard.

[zealous ravine]

laughing isnt allowed stop that now

[sick creek]

So I seen gameplay of the crowbar and the alt mode is Billhook coded and I couldn’t be happier

Love me Billhook

[rough nimbus]

Does anyone know if hyper-critucal applies to ranged shots as well

[winged bay]

Kuli's guide says it's melee

[rough nimbus]

Thank god

[twilit canyon]

kuli can gargle my ballsack

i dont even know who that is

[vast ferry]

why would it be only melee is on the ranged side of the tree, lame 😒

[compact oyster]

also how does the pistol flip result in more damage

do you transfer the kinetic energy

[low harbor]

rule of cool

[winged bay]

that side also has a melee attack speed node

[vernal sluice]

it's an offering to Slaanesh

[twilit canyon]

you ever flipped a pistol before?

[zealous ravine]

the lion spent all the money on gambling....

[blissful gull]

is long lasting basically always taken?

[vernal sluice]

the lion got votekicked for shooting bursters

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/gamma-2-dragon-ball-android-ray-gun-super-hero-gif-17292386828548602883

[tardy citrus]

rule of cool is the best rule

the only important rule

https://tenor.com/view/gun-spinning-cypher-valorant-gun-trick-revolver-spin-gif-14772794552528005785

[twilit canyon]

CYPHER SPOTTED

[zealous ravine]

its so real

me when i wanna do a sick pistol flip o nthe poxburster

[vernal sluice]

oops my finger slipped

[gusty vector]

Got early access to Hive Scum, don't tell Fatshark

[tardy citrus]

mine was just itchy

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-trepang2-x-ryan-gosling-trepang2-gif-47746639197767514

[gusty vector]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-orbital-bruh-orbital-bruh-joe-elite-dangerous-gif-21298001

[charred oriole]

I wish you could have pre-ordered the class on console

[zealous ravine]

i like all the hive scum guns equally... actually i like the dual stubbers 10x more than the rest like oh my god needler more like stinky

[tardy citrus]

the twin deagle stubbers is pretty class ngl

and the gun tricks, just icing on the cake

[zealous ravine]

its so awesomeee

[tardy citrus]

wonder how many of the class haters are gonna come around and say how awesome it is

non believers

[velvet folio]

the gameplay is quite good yes, i saw the Cypherius video (trench mission looks wicked and badass)

[sacred vault]

So guys......how many of us are putting that RPG to use day 1?

[velvet folio]

i wish the ganger just sort of "stood out" a bit more than the rejects, since they can all look pretty much like a tweaker as is

[sacred vault]

Them crushers looking REAL nice with all that armor right now.....

[near marlin]

no way the makeshift shivs have their own throwing knives lmaoo

[velvet folio]

also ganger is coming off the heels of arbitrator, which is SO wildly different stylistically to the rejects

[hazy vector]

weird that hiver has it and not vet

[drowsy relic]

I mean that was intentional they wanted to do a kinda cops adn robbers thing

[velvet folio]

eh, vet has Kraks

[near marlin]

So you get to have the stims, blitz you choose, throwing knives + shives, and your ranged weapon

[sacred vault]

True but hey, vets get infinite kraks so it's fair trade.

[hazy vector]

Rocket launchers harder to get than grenades, that's purely military equipment

what gangers even have to use rockets for

[velvet folio]

killing other gangers kek

[drowsy relic]

They stole it lol

[hazy vector]

It is point of thematic,s not of balance

[drowsy relic]

and yeah killing eachother

[tardy citrus]

i cant afford the dlc day one

[bronze glade]

home security

[tardy citrus]

i have to wait two weeks for next paycheck

[velvet folio]

also any idiot can make a metal tube and missile

[tardy citrus]

🙁

[velvet folio]

they've got some bubba'd Carl-Gustav it doesnt look much better than the rust RL lmao

[bronze glade]

has someone covered the balance changes that are coming yet?

[velvet folio]

real effective nonetheless

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-soldier-soldier-meet-the-team-gif-7654704130505516991

we should be able to do this

[blissful gull]

in the cartel special tree, do nods stack with subsequent nods? For example, two +4% attack speed nodes means +8% attack speed?

[narrow tangle]

Did they say what the price of the class will cost?

[velvet folio]

obesefish let us rocket jump blease

[drowsy relic]

$12/€12/£10

Same as arbites

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/guldan-everything-hoodie-monster-orc-gif-17516569

[narrow tangle]

Sweet thank you.

[blissful gull]

can rage start regenerating its cooldown while you're still in it?

[tardy citrus]

lol

i doubt it

[narrow tangle]

The ability to dodge ranged attacks while weilding duel pistols will be beneficial against multiple snipers especially if you are the last person in an auric mission

[novel oracle]

Yes the nodes are additive

[restive sigil]

why would they release it on a tuesday bro

[safe dome]

the melee nodes for this class are insane

[narrow tangle]

Conserving ammo the whole mission is uh tricky. Paired with vet who can gain ammo on specialist kills will be useful

[frigid thorn]

We yelled "It's Hivescum time" and then we Hivescummed all over Tertium

[low harbor]

how much do stim upgrades affect custom stim recharge speed

[vast ferry]

that return to 20% ammo talent is the most op shit I've ever seen, there is no "conserving ammo" with this class

[compact oyster]

i believe 5 seconds per node up to 75s

[hazy vector]

all other abilities regen whiloe you are in them

[novel oracle]

Each spent point makes the cooldown roughly 2s longer

[narrow tangle]

Multiple hordes + double bosses can deplete ammo especially in havoc

[low harbor]

only 2s? damn that's barely anything

wait

[tardy citrus]

depends on base cooldown

[novel oracle]

It goes up to 75 seconds

[tardy citrus]

damn

[low harbor]

what's base

45s?

[novel oracle]

15s

[tardy citrus]

DAMN

[low harbor]

uh

[novel oracle]

30 points

2 per point

60s

[low harbor]

where did the 75s come from then

[winged bay]

+15

[novel oracle]

Because its 15 base

[low harbor]

oh

cool

wats custom stim duration? 15s?

[novel oracle]

The stim also doesn't regen while its active, assuming you stimmed yourself and didnt use it with a crate

So theres an additional 15s

[low harbor]

ok so 90s total downtime

[novel oracle]

From its active duration

[novel oracle]

If you max it out yeah

We'll not downtime

[low harbor]

idk if there's good reason to not max it out atm

[novel oracle]

75s downtime, 90s to fully refresh it once its used

[zealous ravine]

idk what am doing but melee build?

[novel oracle]

Stim crate has a node that instantly refreshes it when you get a stim

You can run a low cost high uptime crate

[low harbor]

dats like the only good use of a low spec stim

[hazy vector]

So what, some people already testing it?

[novel oracle]

Creators have had access for a few days and testers have been testing for months

[vast ferry]

do stim crate's spreaded stim effect stack with other people's stim?

[wanton prawn]

Does stimm supply still spread trhe special stim if the stims on cool down?

[drifting heron]

Havoc 40 ganger only clear
Look inside
Tac Axe

He can't keep getting away with it

[grand jewel]

bone saw screaming arbites maul/DS of hive scum lol

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/primes-axe-gif-transformer-axe-optimus-prime-gif-17672602

[vast yoke]

so uh

what is sprint dodge angle

I wasn't even aware of what a sprint dodge is

[novel oracle]

Base game mechanic, its in the tutorial

[vast yoke]

OHHHH

where sprinting dodges bullets

[novel oracle]

While you have stamina, sprinting perpendicular to gunfire will consider you dodging it

That talent widens the angle for that

[vast yoke]

oh wow that's good

I forgor

I haven't played tutorial in like a thousand hours XD

but I did know about the mechanic

just not the name

[wanton prawn]

If I ever get any use out of that mechanic, It's entirely accidential ngl

[vast yoke]

ngl I'm surprised Ruffian aura is still like that

I feel like it stacking with Ogryns aura that does the same thing is a bit silly

but I'm not complaining

[limber cradle]

How long till we get a mod that changes crowbar sound to Half Life crowbar sound?

[tardy citrus]

more damage

[blissful gull]

do the shivs have increased base crit chance?

[tardy citrus]

stacking is not bad

[low harbor]

@novel oracle does rampage CD tick while it's active?

[novel oracle]

No
It cant recieve any cooldown till its over

Neither can focus mode

[low harbor]

wats focus mode

ranged ult?

[novel oracle]

Oh fuck yeah

Desperado

[low harbor]

so rampage will always have a flat 30s downtime assuming no CD modifiers

[novel oracle]

Yeah

[vast yoke]

I can't wait for this to drop I'm gonna abuse this talent so hard with the syringe pistol

[tepid cosmos]

mreow

[blissful gull]

is hyper-violence actually good or is it a meme?

[tepid cosmos]

Yes

[blissful gull]

you've used it? what makes it good?

[tepid cosmos]

it was pretty good

[elfin jay]

hive sum

[blissful gull]

reckon pocket toxin is better? also, are cleave talents really helpful on shivs in havoc?

[olive condor]

hive nut class(not an admech)

[sharp dune]

No lasguns smh unplayable

[azure mist]

@peak skiff What is your opinion on Hive Scum

[trim wind]

any meta builds yet? (for keroppi in hello kitty island adventure)

[gusty vector]

@peak skiff we love you

[peak skiff]

he's co

[peak skiff]

yes!

[exotic oxide]

so.. bonesaw + = success?

[limber cradle]

There's another talent next to it that makes melees apply 1 stack of chem tox i think

[tender forge]

To the scumlord testers, how do shanks reload?

[azure mist]

Crit = Chem Tox

[trim wind]

shank magazines duh

[drifting heron]

Kill stuff

[trim wind]

it's kinda like zealot knife, elite kill, backstabs

[azure mist]

Thats pre-nerf

Melee Crits apply it

which admittedly with how Scum can shit out Crits (Theory wise)

should be really easy

[compact oyster]

this got changed to melee critical strikes

[brisk halo]

Hi fellow hive scum people! I'm totally a play tester I swear on everybody's soul trust

[limber cradle]

Alright thank you

[compact oyster]

also not sure to pick adrenaline smiter or adrenaline assassin

[brisk halo]

I'm very trustworthy

[blissful gull]

wait what? i thought it was just crits?

[limber cradle]

I was given bad info

[compact oyster]

be wary gameslantern will change a bit

[exotic oxide]

do those stack.. whats the max Stack the enemy can have of Chem Toxin?

[compact oyster]

same thing happened with arbites between the gameslantern editor and the class drop

[blissful gull]

I thought the changes were already implemented.

[worn canopy]

Wait did the dlc release early or some people can access early play?

[azure mist]

Besides Bonesaw passively applies Chem Toxin

[compact oyster]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[hot nexus]

Early access for creators

[azure mist]

unless you use Special then the Toxin does Brittleness

[hot nexus]

And play testers

[compact oyster]

sns oils

[echo python]

I feel like that regenerate 20% ammo reserve talent is going to get nerfed very soon

[compact oyster]

its legit destroyer oil lol

[worn canopy]

Probably would be 5% regain on every elite kill with condition 20% below

[exotic oxide]

good old Ultra-Violence

https://tenor.com/view/if-the-emperor-had-a-text-to-speech-device-ultra-violence-gif-14921936

[safe dome]

did uncanny get nerfed? Gameslantern site says 8% rending on weak spot hit

[kind mist]

Shivs have specifically reduced blessing numbers

[compact oyster]

its just on dual daggers

[safe dome]

ohhh ok

still a must pick for shiv tbh

[kind mist]

Haymaker on the slicy shiv mark is good

[tepid cosmos]

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

[low harbor]

@azure mist bonesaw is basically falchion but good, if u think abt it

[limber cradle]

Just to clarify for myself, stimms are a seperate tree with their own talents or nah?

[compact oyster]

seperate

[low harbor]

yes separate tree

[tepid cosmos]

bone saw is very axe coded

[worn canopy]

Called, gunkata sound weird

[limber cradle]

Thank you thank you @low harbor

[kind mist]

Sword | Falchion | Bonesaw | Axe

[ancient basin]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-crowbar-bash-bashing-gif-24267947

crowbar time

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wick-gif-17496548963120913872

hive scum wick

[worn canopy]

Someone will name themselves gordon freeman

Or john wick

I’ll just name mine another a mercenary with bounty hunter voice

[compact oyster]

i think bonesaw needler chem nade builds will get popular

[worn canopy]

Dot meta?

[compact oyster]

but 1 point in melee crit chem toxin stacks already give you a hybrid melee toxin build

[tepid cosmos]

needler will get alot of value in groups where you are the only broker using it / the only broker there

cause you will be competing for who can apply the dots

good gun though

[compact oyster]

it resets per player apply?

[tepid cosmos]

similar to how bleed and burn stacks currently work

[compact oyster]

oh ok

itl work fine

[rapid mango]

first to apply gets control

[blissful gull]

can you gain adrenaline stacks while in adrenaline frenzy?

[worn canopy]

So did anyone know does toxin bypass armor or they set % dmg value high enough?

[near mauve]

needler looks hilarious just zap everyone and forget
welcome back NTP from deep rock

[compact oyster]

presumably bypasses armor

[worn canopy]

That make sense

Highly corrosive eating armor away

[compact oyster]

one thing thats a shame is that hive scum doesnt have a heavy melee like crusher or its own

[worn canopy]

Crusher is too much power weapon using for them

[rapid mango]

looks like closest is crowbar

[bronze glade]

well it's injected directly ignoring armor

[safe dome]

seems like carapace capability is missing for hive scum

[dapper prairie]

That poison is crazy

[worn canopy]

They put lore shit like “no even criminal scum can’t use high quality weapon”

[bronze glade]

so it bypasses yeah

[drifting heron]

Crowbar
Bonesaw
Combat axe

[dapper prairie]

Can u spread the poison to a bunch of cara

[bronze glade]

they get a bunch of rending and toxin fucks crushers wdym

[novel oracle]

Except 4/6 of their weapons can deal with it

[drifting heron]

KNIFE