psyker-class

[urban meteor]

it's mostly about me not being the target, because when I'm it, it lasts about 4 seconds tops

[kind jay]

dh moveset is basically 1 punch, 1 punch, 4 punch

can also use boxes/geometry to slow her down

if you're on pc you can use creature spawner mod to practice

[olive oar]

Also depends on what difficulty you play and other damage bonuses sources you already have.

Demon can be trivialized with Devil's Claw and that talent that makes block cost peril, just remember to quell in between the combos.
I mean, trivialized to an extent, as you'll take corruption damage no matter what. But when I run Smiting Claw I tend to attack the demonhost if it's blocking the way.

[steel flame]

its a squishy character with alot of mechanics to handle all at once plus a second resource bar that can just kill you

its not an easy class

speakin of not easy, just had a nutso 40 run, i cant even remember what happened during most of it other than the ogryn makin a clutch play to reverse a team wipe in the middle of 3 bosses

funny sword of course did more funny things

0ne of the best ogryns ive ever played with to be sure

[boreal jetty]

So I heard, psyker staff dumping damage?

That so, or a bit of a stretch?

[steel flame]

Wdym?

[boreal jetty]

Damage dump stat.

[steel flame]

Dunno why you would ever dump damage, peril resist is right there

[wispy bay]

Psyker has so many damage multiplier that damage dump really hurts.

[zealous wing]

never, usually its warp resistance

voidstrike dumps blast radius (not to be confused with the voidblast staff), and very specific builds like surge surge dump something else (charge rate), everything else is warp resistance

zealot flamer dumps damage

[boreal jetty]

That I know.

Some psyker I quickplayed with, said to dump damage for, that fire staff.

I wondered though.

[zealous wing]

kek

they were incorrect

sure theres room for personalised builds, but dumping damage is not really good for anything

[steel flame]

Dumping warp resist is a buff to warp weapons in nearly all cases anyway

So just do that instead

[boreal jetty]

Yea, that's what I figured.

[boreal jetty]

What's the ideal possible, from the RNG roll?

[zealous wing]

60 on wr, 80 everything else

something like inferno, (or melee), is lower than 60 with everything at 80

though much harder to get

[steel flame]

28-30 warp resist is the best you can get with everything else still at 80

Very hard to get

[zealous wing]

its possible to get 10

[boreal jetty]

Even with the other stats a full upgraded to 80?

[zealous wing]

ye

[steel flame]

Lucky ass roll

[zealous wing]

six got a melee with it, think it was an FGS, with 10/80x4

many millions of ordo

best ive gotten is a 17 i think?

i was around 50mil in at that point

[steel flame]

30 is usually low enough for my purposes. Plus I'm poor from experimenting

Already suck 3 mil into my 30s

[zealous wing]

for FGS, 29 is the breakpoint between 2 activations to 100 and 3

50.4% peril iirc, havent logged in in a while

[boreal jetty]

Like the 0/60 stat rolls?

[steel flame]

Not even that

You gotta get something like that when everything else is pretty much maxed out already

The odds are so so so low

[boreal jetty]

Yea, that's also what I meant, though I should have typed that, come to think of it.

[zealous wing]

70+ generally with sub10

but same idea

the closer to that the better

[boreal jetty]

Yea, I've seen the 0/60, high 70s/80 stat weapons in the store, once in blue moons. So, I'll have to keep an eye out for psyker staffs then?

[zealous wing]

very important to note, if you dont like how much peril it generates, and you got a mega low roll, if you can, get a different staff to upgrade, in case you want to try again another time, just in case

[boreal jetty]

Just what, 2 staffs?

[steel flame]

@zealous wing Never been happier with my investment. Post crusher change I've been getting 2mil 40 games outta my fire fgs build

[zealous wing]

inferno is really the easiest to work with, can go with voidblast as well

electrokinetic is very peril hungry, so it'd be more rough at low warp res

[rich spindle]

you can if you want high warm resist for some reason

[steel flame]

You can get away with dumping crit on that one

[rich spindle]

warp

[zealous wing]

do not dump crit on the crit staff 😭

[boreal jetty]

So, 3 staffs with 20ish or below warp resist, except for the strike one?

[rich spindle]

60 is fine

[zealous wing]

for late term goals, yeah

[rich spindle]

I like higher resist on trauma

I mean voidblast

[zealous wing]

and ye the 60s ofc will work well, the lower is just, more ideal

specifically for minmax

[boreal jetty]

But not for the strike staff? That has a different dump stat?

[steel flame]

If you tap r after every cast you do not need any peril resist, you won't ever blow yourself up with trauma staff

[zealous wing]

its too peril hungry

blast radius

[rich spindle]

the strike staff benefits a lot from full charge, so 80 resist is helpful

[zealous wing]

you need enough available peril to actually go through with the charge and cast

[steel flame]

I had to dump it to 30 on trauma so I could even stay peril positive.

[boreal jetty]

So this is, upgraded to 60 then for the strike staff?

[steel flame]

Gets you in sweet spot to ping pong 90-100

[zealous wing]

60 on blast, 80 everything else

[steel flame]

Fair enough, I play it a bit more dangerous than most people

[fading crystal]

is there a chart of psyker melee weapon attack pattern?

[frozen loom]

only FGS from what I remember

[fading crystal]

thanks, exactly what im using

[vast sedge]

What should I use when I'm just starting with psyker

[frozen loom]

Pins has a build compendium and a quick rundown of psyker stuff

[radiant frigate]

are we talking leveling

or getting into psyker builds

[vast sedge]

Ye levelling

[rigid sky]

Anything you like really. Assail is busted for low levels without much investment too. (Also good at high levels but needs to be in the right build)

[dire wharf]

FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT

[vast sedge]

Ye I've been using assail but man is it boring

[vast sedge]

The emprah hasn't given me access to it yet

[rigid sky]

I mean it's just your blitz, it's not meant to be your main weapon... But it can be at that level lol

Psyker needs high levels to feel like psyker, I think the keystones are a really big deal for us

Venting shriek feels much better once it has soulblaze and once you can spam it every 10-15s or so

[vast sedge]

Ye I thought so, doesn't help that I hate most of his early weapons 😭

Istg they're all focused on single target damage

[rigid sky]

The melees tend to be very good at single because they have to be

[radiant frigate]

once you get to FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT it'll be fine

[vast sedge]

Think it's the last weapon you unlock

[kind jay]

FLAMMEN-MACHTGRO🅱️SCHWERT😡

[vast sedge]

Is there a way I can build the void last staff to be decent?

Like low level

I've heard it's quite strong later

[rich spindle]

The staves are very weak when they’re low level

Once you can upgrade them to 500 they’re very strong

[vast sedge]

Ah damn that's a shame

Alr ty all

[rigid sky]

Voidblast is really good but it needs to have 4 stats close to max to feel ok

At least have one with good blast radius and charge rate and it'll be usable

Also blessing dependent. You either want warp nexus and blazing spirit OR warp flurry and rending shockwave

Needs both of either configuration to feel ok

[cosmic cobalt]

blast radius really doing nothing

[marble crater]

What is a Grobschwert?

[marble crater]

Is that actually the translation? Surely not, right?

[verbal thistle]

Those who nose.....

[kind jay]

FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT 😡

flame greatsword 😡

[marble crater]

Forgot the force, smh

[dusk timber]

This is a FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT, it machtgroßschwerts flammen

[dire wharf]

I'm at work thinking about FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT

[twin epoch]

anyone got a cool lightning build for psyker

[marble crater]

There is probably one in the guide of the pinned message

[kind jay]

the other one is flame powered according to google

no idea on accuracy but who cares it's fun to say

[cosmic cobalt]

german be slapping word together

[kind jay]

oh they both are the same thing

thanks google i learned nothing

[marble crater]

[dire wharf]

Ask one of the Germans in here

[kind jay]

kat gave us the translation

[twin epoch]

thank you king

[marble crater]

Macht sounds more fitting, then there is also the thing that sometimes things are not translated accurately, but to what sounds better. So I wouldn't even be surprised if the actual name in the game is something different

[kind jay]

it's even better if you add the mark

FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT MARKIEREN SECHS

[marble crater]

Markieren is a verb, so that's not right

[kind jay]

i figured it was wrong since i just looked up the words separately and added them

master of language i am

[dusk timber]

Sechs

[kind jay]

sechs

[marble crater]

Sieben

[kind jay]

the hidden mark. sechs sieben

[dire wharf]

Acht

[dusk timber]

Ung

[dire wharf]

I can go home in less than 2 hours

Counting down minutes

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweaking-by-the-nine-im-tweaking-signalis-signalis-game-gif-14031434859351507230

[olive oar]

To add to the former discussion on weapon dump stats, when going for the Blazing Spirit on Voidstrike, you want to have the max Blast Radius as the secondary blast of the staff is what applies soulblaze in an area.

[icy breach]

Blast Radius dumpstat is a pepega take fr

[quartz barn]

Why do we constantly get questionable dump stat takes now?

Like its one step away from "just dump damage" lmao

[vast sedge]

Damn

[rigid sky]

That's for voidstrike more, no? Thought blast radius is important for Voidblast

[cosmic cobalt]

it literally change nothing for trauma really

since the epicenter is still fucking small and your aoe damage come from blazing spirit proc

[rigid sky]

Doesn't the blazing spirit also widen with blast radius?

[white valley]

Yes it does afaik

[cosmic cobalt]

not enough to justify it over warp res

[white valley]

Blast radius affects the inner explosion and the outer explosion

What

[cosmic cobalt]

since trauma build lot of peril

[white valley]

Hell naw

Just take empyrean resolve

[rigid sky]

Don't take ER either, just press R sometimes

[icy breach]

Press the Button Kronk

[icy breach]

Man is smart

[white valley]

Nah empyrean is straight up a significant dps increase for voidblast

Honestly the talent was made for voidblast, other staves don't need it half as much

[main jolt]

which keystone for gunker

[white valley]

Disrupt Destiny

[rigid sky]

100% disrupt destiny. Up to you which version to go, either lingering influence on its own or Perfectionism with the headshot 3 stacks talent too

[main jolt]

think i'll go lingering

[rigid sky]

It's good to try both ways

But probably lingering first

Easier to adjust to

[main jolt]

purloin providence worth taking?

[thorn cedar]

nah

[rigid sky]

Idk I guess I treat Voidblast as a support/control/pseudotank thing so I'm happy to blast a bit slower

Gives enemies more time to gather up too

[dusk timber]

Which one is that

[rigid sky]

No, waste of a point

[thorn cedar]

it has one genuine and extremely narrow niche with an EK left clicker

[main jolt]

im using laspistol

[rigid sky]

Give gunker a go with Vraks IAG as well when you get the chance :) laspistol is ok but Vraks is so powerful

[main jolt]

still got 3 points left to use

that'll do

[thorn cedar]

true aim and tranq thru slaught are kinda meh

whatchu got in the middle of the tree?

[white valley]

Voidblast certainly puts you into a dedicated CC role, but blasting more means more damage, more soulblaze via blazing spirit and more CC

[thorn cedar]

Just press R sometimes

I don't understand the fascination with nuking your toughness regen 30% just so you don't have to press a button slightly more often

[main jolt]

its probably terrible

[thorn cedar]

its bare but you got the primo choices

[dusk timber]

Its bear

[thorn cedar]

By Crack of Bone is generally a skip but that's up to you

[dusk timber]

🐻

[main jolt]

using scriers if that makes any difference

[thorn cedar]

Warp Splitter is quite nice

Empathic Evasion is very good

[main jolt]

any soulblaze talents i can switch out since i was using inferno staff

[thorn cedar]

Yeah all of those lol

Souldrinker can go

Wildfire can go

[rigid sky]

Is that lingering or Perfectionism? If you take lingering you don't need cruel fortune

[thorn cedar]

I only take Perilous Combustion when I Gunker and with the Uncanny nerf I'm super on the fence about it lately (but still take it)

[rigid sky]

It's redundant, lingering influence means you'll be at 15 stacks for 95% of the mission anyway

[main jolt]

thats a point free'd up then

[icy breach]

Its not that much if you count it & consider how many sources of toughness gen you have

[white valley]

Psyker already has elite toughness replenishment, legit the best or 2nd best in the whole game

[cosmic cobalt]

certified warp ghost moment

[thorn cedar]

Still not worth a talent point.

[cosmic cobalt]

warp ghost is impossible to miss both on staff and gunker

[white valley]

Quietude and mettle alone are crazy

Oh and quietude interacts with JaD

[icy breach]

Souldrinker
Soulstealer
Mettle
Warp ghost
Quietude

Yeah; shiton

[thorn cedar]

Quietude is literally cut down to 50% effectiveness with ER

[main jolt]

grabbed warp ghost

[white valley]

Oh yeah I forgot souldrinker is mandatory on voidblast anyway

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean sb is still a big part of trauma

[icy breach]

On ANY warp based build to be exact

[white valley]

Still insane because you are always spending and generating peril

[thorn cedar]

And you now spent a point to make it 50% worse.

[cosmic cobalt]

warp ghost is right there

😪

[thorn cedar]

Yeah Warp Ghost is cracked.

[white valley]

Like most classes wish they had psyker's constant stream of toughness

[thorn cedar]

Idk though it's somehow too good and not sexy enough to take in my eyes.

[rigid sky]

I mean, just because it's good, why opt in to a nerf?

[cosmic cobalt]

you're complaining about the solution to your problem

[rigid sky]

I play Voidblast with shield which is the most risky build to cause self explosions

[main jolt]

im guessing precog over reality anchor for gunker?

[rigid sky]

And I don't pop

[thorn cedar]

Yes.

[jovial juniper]

Always

And I mean always

[white valley]

The only class that has on demand toughness like this is ogryn with steady grip and that requires you to do something which may not be part of your standard gameplay loop

[thorn cedar]

I did try Anchor with my Mind in Motion gimmick and it's pretty funny, you can walk and quell in Scriers basically forever.

[icy breach]

Still mandatory for every oggy build; its the best

[cosmic cobalt]

mind in motion

😔

[thorn cedar]

But like ..... what are you gonna do with that lol

[dusk timber]

Everyboggy

[icy breach]

A nice meme

[cosmic cobalt]

mim is one of the talent of all time

solution to NOTHING

doesn't path anywhere good

[main jolt]

1 last point to spend

[thorn cedar]

Agreed on the pathing, it should really be a dead center travel node so everyone has it.

[cosmic cobalt]

1 last point to spend elsewhere

[main jolt]

warp speed for zoomies maybe

[icy breach]

Especially since when you quell you most likely dodge to cover distance/dodge incoming attacks anyways so yeah
Sad talent

[white valley]

Absolutely, it's strong af but my point is that it's not as organic as psyker's toughness regen

[rigid sky]

There are some great survival talents in the middle

Just a dream, and that other one

[white valley]

Just a dream and one with the warp

[icy breach]

Psyker does smth = survives
Balanced out by low TDR & DR & low max toughness which is fair

[cosmic cobalt]

psyker and getting damage resistance by doing nothing

[main jolt]

already got one with the warp so i guess i'll grab just a dream

[thorn cedar]

Not low anymore lol

[white valley]

Honestly their DR and TDR isn't that low if you do the maths

Low base toughness and hp though

[cosmic cobalt]

psyker get up to 35%dr btw

just with 2 talent

and it's dr, not tdr

[thorn cedar]

You'll be running around with like 32~% DR and 65~% TDR

[white valley]

Meanwhile zealot's dr and tdr is all over the place

[thorn cedar]

Zealot just has constant toughness.

Toughness on dodge, on being surrounded, for pressing F, for breathing with momentum.

[icy breach]

In comparridon to other classes its quite low & peril based too

[cosmic cobalt]

vet on life support with iron will and close order drill

💀

you sneeze on him once and he survive

sneeze on him a second time he dead

exe also carry survivability a lot

meanwhile psyker survive by existing

not even factoring in scrier's gaze yet

[rigid sky]

Psyker is swiss cheese avoidance model

[thorn cedar]

XStance is pretty fucken strong granted

[rigid sky]

A hit needs to get through a lot of layers of active defense to get through

[thorn cedar]

They definitely fucked up when Psyker could tank a crusher overhead

Like that's a strong indicator that you might have missed the plot with your glass cannon character

[dusk timber]

Scum too lmao

[thorn cedar]

Scum I was okay with because you can only really recover after by staying right there in the fight

But then they gave him Master's Retribution+++

[white valley]

Yeah but it's weird how the keystones affect dr and generation so much

[main jolt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1cf202a-07fa-4c8a-88df-a023fde9368a/gunker-20 how'd i do

[dusk timber]

Use mk2 laspistol instead

[thorn cedar]

Can get rid of the two Smite subnodes (they suck) and take Warp Expenditure and Perfect Timing at the top

Perfect Timing is too good to pass up

[main jolt]

how come?

[thorn cedar]

It's better lol

You gotta be very accurate to make the MKX worth taking

[white valley]

Murderous tranquility? Don't take that, also don't take a wound curio, take HP instead

[thorn cedar]

MKX also has a delay before firing out of sprint which kills it for me

[icy breach]

Enfeeble is good wdym
The other one tho ye its dogshit

[icy breach]

Wait rly? Never payed attention to that

[white valley]

Also probably swap unyielding from the sword to the laspistol

And put flak on the fgs

Laspistol on gunker has better boss dps than fgs afaik

[cosmic cobalt]

fgs stab can hit 20k on monster

uh

actually it's like 14k without combat stim but yeah

[thorn cedar]

Enfeeble is also pretty bad

It does a thing but it's not a whole lot.

[icy breach]

10% debuff for ANY dmg is bad
Yikes take

[thorn cedar]

Yeah?

[icy breach]

Yeah

[thorn cedar]

At the cost of you doing any of your own damage.

[icy breach]

Wdym smite does both CC & dmg

[thorn cedar]

It does shit damage unless you're running EP, and EP does a significantly better job of increasing spread rate by itself than Enfeeble does and that 10% still isn't worth shit.

[main jolt]

ok so the pistol now maniac unyielding and the fgs is flak carapace

[cosmic cobalt]

ep was fun when they broke charged strike

actually the best melee mixed horde clear in the game

[thorn cedar]

It was a bit silly

EP still affects shield wall for reasons???

[main jolt]

what should i swap out murderous tranquility with

[icy breach]

Imagine considering an auto lock-on ability that stuns everything exept bosses, does dmg, goes through walls when linked and can retreat and still remain linked & 10% dmg debuff for all of that & your team ‚isn’t worth shit’
Pepega take

[thorn cedar]

Wrath probs

[main jolt]

already got it

[thorn cedar]

Sure buddy.

[icy breach]

I wish the dmg was noticable… and stun more consistent… cause imagine how well it could be utilized

[thorn cedar]

It's like 500 damage per proc with EP.

[steel flame]

If smite could trigger empathic, then we'd be god gaming

[thorn cedar]

Never again.

[icy breach]

It would be broken; even i don’t want smite to crit

[main jolt]

maybe shred?

[thorn cedar]

Shred is what you have in the link lol

But yeah a crit + cleave blessing

[white valley]

Riposte, Unstable Power, Shred, Wrath, those are the good blessings

[main jolt]

is it?

[thorn cedar]

Ye

They look similar

[main jolt]

they both have pretty much the same icon

[thorn cedar]

I have made this mistake before

[white valley]

Wrath's value goes down if you have Warp Splitting though

[main jolt]

i meant to put wrath

i'll take both

blessings for the blicky are ok though?

[thorn cedar]

ye

[white valley]

Yes dumdum and infernus are pretty meta

Big burn damage

[steel flame]

Had another 2mil damage game last night with funny fire sword. Can't remember anything that happened in it other than a big ogyrn clutch to reverse a team wipe during a triple boss

[thorn cedar]

Do you fall into a blood rage or something

[white valley]

Blood Angel librarians be like

[steel flame]

Something like that. Kinda go all battle trance. ADHD go brrrr

[icy breach]

Oh btw; Enfeeble does not increase spread
For your information

[main jolt]

calistarius/mephiston

smites only really being taken for if someone goes down i guess?

i can swap it to one of the others

[white valley]

Assail is decent on gunker

Helps thin shooters and ranged elites while conserving ammo

And benefits from a lot of talents you already have

Such as DD, and Warp Splitting

[main jolt]

subnodes worth taking

[white valley]

Nah

Strong as is

[thorn cedar]

It reduces mass which increases spread speed slightly

[main jolt]

time to test it out

[thorn cedar]

It's not significant.

[icy breach]

Rly? Kuli guide says nothing about that 🤔 🤔 🤔

Enfeeble
Enemies Electrocuted by you take +10% increased Base Damage from all sources.

stat buff: damage_taken_multiplier

Enables Smite to apply a debuff to enemies that increases all their damage taken by 10%. The debuff benefits Smite itself and is being applied as long as the enemy is actively affected by Smite; stacks multiplicatively with other damage taken debuffs from Empyric Shock, Warp Rupture, Arbitrator's Nuncio-Aquila, Hive Scum's Virulent Strain, Ogryn's Soften Them Up, Valuable Distraction, Pickaxe (weapon special), Veteran's Focus Target!, or Zealot's Blinded by Blood, with damage buffs, and with power level buffs from weapon blessings. Does not stack with the same debuff applied by another Psyker.

Any source that may apply an Electrocution effect to enemies but is not Smite or Charged Strike will not proc Enfeeble.

[thorn cedar]

It's under charged strike

But I might just be inferring something that isn't there

[icy breach]

No; charged strike does mention it
I wonder tho cause enfeeble does work for charged but not the other way around; smite too since charged strike does nothing for smite
🤔

[rigid sky]

I kinda question infernus on Psyker though

[steel flame]

Infernus las pistol is incredible on psyker

[icy breach]

Its incredible on anyone being able to use a las pistol

[rigid sky]

Crit rate benefits it but the silly finesse bonuses don't idk

Not sure what I would take over it though

Another gun lol

[thorn cedar]

It's an issue of being nothing else to take

[steel flame]

It's another dot on top of soul blaze to scale to stupid numbers

[thorn cedar]

Dumdum is the only other straight damage blessing

[rigid sky]

I'm too vrakspilles

Pilled

Raw damage let's go

[steel flame]

Desperado is funny

But overkill

[thorn cedar]

Very lmao

[white valley]

Unmatched for boss damage

Plus helps with ammo economy if you don't mind letting some enemies burn

[thorn cedar]

Mostly it just lets me focus other things and still do alright boss damage by just plugging a couple shots their way every five seconds

[steel flame]

I just want run and gun laspistol man

[thorn cedar]

We had it

Two years ago they were just like that

[dusk timber]

I still think every pistol type ranged should have run n gun by default

[steel flame]

I want that spread reduction and extra damage

[white valley]

Run n gun for every shotgun type

[thorn cedar]

spread reduction on the ..... laspistol?

[white valley]

Actually run n gun on braced autogun

[steel flame]

Imagine tho, hotshot laspistol

[dire wharf]

Run n gun and full auto semi auto fire on las pistol would be awesome

[thorn cedar]

sadly you would not be able to brace and run

[white valley]

Still would be nice to have spread reduction

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-yhwach-let-him-cook-rain-gif-2488628235910922683

[twin epoch]

run n gun on force staff is kinda good not gonna lie

[thorn cedar]

you know what's even goofier?

focused channeling exists as a blessing

when all staves have stun immunity while channeling by default

[main jolt]

gunker build slaps, thanks

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark knows what they are doing

[rigid sky]

They didn't before

It was painful

[icy breach]

But thats DAP not Vraks

🤔 🤔 🤔

[icy breach]

I ran it before when that was a thing

Saved many runs

[rigid sky]

I mean we had a lot less choice on blessings then too

[icy breach]

Now its just a relic

[rigid sky]

You took what the staff had on it to an extent

[thorn cedar]

They should make it remove 100% of movement penalties when charging

Now that'd be dope

Fit right in with my mind in motion

[steel flame]

Mind in motion actually doing something? No no no we can't have that. desposito, pls remind me to nerf psyker move speed instead

[radiant frigate]

imagine if mind in motion did that too

[steel flame]

Wasup kat

Fgs stonks are through the roof after they fixed crushers spawns huh

[jovial juniper]

Mind in Motion should give you movement speed according to your mats

https://tenor.com/view/money-physics-motion-rich-ballin-gif-1495226031920328351

[rigid sky]

FGS was already one of the best crusher killers though tbh

[cosmic cobalt]

it can kill h40 crusher faster than most weapon in the game

and that without factoring in crit

[fathom adder]

Fatshark HQ: "Buff Scrier's Gaze Again"

Warp Speed now baked into base ability and persistent effect after it ends

[cosmic cobalt]

warp speed is not that good since uh

you can already mega zoom on gunker

extra movespeed gonna genuinely kill you

[thorn cedar]

its funny cause like

they added reload speed penalty removal to mind in motion

but i dont know of any guns that ..... have movement speed penalties??

and even if they did i animation cancel all my reloads so it doesnt even affect me lmao

[cosmic cobalt]

they can make mim a mandatory node but that just another psyker buff

[thorn cedar]

i would fucken love this

[thorn cedar]

genuinely though Mind in Motion is my favourite QoL node and i know its me and like two other people who use it

so im terrified of fatshark removing it

[cosmic cobalt]

the problem is that mim solve nothing

I said this before

[thorn cedar]

wdym

[cosmic cobalt]

you don't have mobility problem at all that require it

[thorn cedar]

it literally does exactly what it says on the tin

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah the problem is that it a solution to a non problem

[thorn cedar]

this is way more noticable for anybody not using staffs

cause staffs have a fairly managable move speed penalty

swords and hands have a ginormous penalty for quelling and the ramp up is severe

you are literally not moving at all anymore after 300~ms

[cosmic cobalt]

thing is you don't hold quell like at all on non staff psyker since you want to keep your peril up

[thorn cedar]

you dont

[cosmic cobalt]

so you just tap quell when sliding etc

so you can throw assail to proc mm or to get off a warp slice on fgs

[thorn cedar]

my dumb ass in subnautica got my ship stuck in a crevice and i couldnt get it out, so i pulled all the mats off of it that i could and went to build a new one

first trip out with the new tadpole and i ...... run into the old one, totally freed from its prison

😠

[olive oar]

And when used with EP allows for a huge damage output, and allows for sick melee damage with Charged Strike.

[olive oar]

Oh, my, they are already stunned, let rhe heretics eat some at least.

[icy breach]

ChS does not work for smite

Its dogshit

[fathom adder]

The fast recon I think

[olive oar]

Stop using your build and use mine, I'm watching 😠

[olive oar]

It's significant, it's by a lot, and it's central to charged strike.

[thorn cedar]

Yes for charged strike, not so much for anything else Smite related.

[olive oar]

Mind in Motion solves a hard problem for casual players, let us not forget them, when I started with psyker it was mandatory otherwise I would become planted while quelling peril.
We must account for all skill levels.
Though I'd like something more useful to be also baked into it for advanced players.

[steel flame]

You can take out both battle meditation and warp charge warp resist. Sub in peril cleave and warp rider

@olive oar Empyric resolve and scriers warp resist is all you need, I can already juggle sciers indefinitely with these two. Warp rider will give you more damage and cleave will let you cleave through to elites better in horde

[icy breach]

I never felt or even considered to use MiM cause its was never needed nor desired
Its… sadly dogshit… cause when you quell you most likely dodge

[wraith sphinx]

I like mind in motion on my ep sg bb build

It's cool that bb spam can be actually viable if u build into it

[steel flame]

@olive oar oh whoops, can't sub meditation, gotta have that for crit damage node

[icy breach]

Ikr; its perfect for special waves & bosses & quick elite deletion

[wraith sphinx]

My build got a lot of mileage during the elites event hehe

[olive oar]

Will try it later when I'm home.

[earnest furnace]

i would love for mind in motion to also negate movement penalty while using blitz.

[olive oar]

It's pretty stiff, points are on their edge.

Charged strike is awesome, when your weapon have wrath blessing.
Extra 600 damage on no. Armor, extra 400 on armor, keeps malefic Momentum on

Devil's Claw, SG, DD, can kill 100 havoc dregs in 15 seconds

Dregs, not walkers, they have 2.5 more hp, 950

[hearty geyser]

is there something wrong with sire melk? who on the emperors beige terra would want to go for drinks with an insane german (slightly heretical) maniac?

[rigid sky]

an insane german maniac, with an incomparable mind

[steel flame]

You can also drop peril gained/lost toughness Regen

Sub in either warp ghost or peril cleave

Loss of passive quelling means nothing when you are always in scriers, it will never be active

[rigid sky]

I would even say that loss of passive quelling is generally an upside rather than a downside

[steel flame]

Oh it is

[rigid sky]

warp ghost tries to be a tradeoff node

but it's actually just a double upside

I never build without it

[steel flame]

Its even attached to the node that want you to have it xP

Warp rider free damage go brrrrr

[olive oar]

But wouldn't this make SG to end prematurely, you understand that the value is gained by the crit chance that it provides.

[steel flame]

If you hit r after every cast you will easily keep peril under control. It has forced quelling amount even on r tap

[rigid sky]

just hit R occasionally

you usually get moments to breathe a little bit even when it's hectic

you've got to squeeze those for all they're worth lol

[steel flame]

Ive been testing this with a 30 warp resist void strike and with warp res node removed I can juggle it more than long enough to get another instant scriers activation. Longer if I feel like it

Empyric resolve and scriers resist node are all you need

[olive oar]

This will make SG lasts not as long, so the 40% extra damage will not apply as much, and when I activate SG again I'll lose the WS stacks having to recover them in a while.
I'll try but I already have to quell a lot with this build.

[steel flame]

Yeah I have to quell alot too. Tapping r after every half charge

You can juggle it as long as you want

[olive oar]

Oh, remembered that damage numbers in solo games are not showing correct values, triple staff hit with WS was supposed to be about 7000k damage

[steel flame]

Did a 1.2mil auric game with it yesterday

[olive oar]

What? I thought I was talking to a Havoker, not a low scum Auriker. Hahahha

[steel flame]

I test stuff in auric before I waste time queing for havoc

[olive oar]

T'was just a joke, little pre-servitor.

Talking about servitors, Kayex is sorely missing from the ship bridge, it would be a nice place to add a new functionality.

[steel flame]

Maybe he can turn banned teammates into servitors for us

[thorn cedar]

whatever we do with him please take him away from the train mission intro

mfer talks for almost a solid minute for a mission that takes less than eight

[kind jay]

he talks a lot and way too slowly

[white sky]

Love Kayex tbh

[thorn cedar]

oh he's great

EXCEPT for that intro

that intro is a complete and unacceptable mismatch imo

how is 12% of your time going to be spent listening to this geriatric robot introduce a mission that was made from the ground up to be 'quickly in quickly out'

its ridiculous

[white sky]

I'm gonna be honest

I kinda zone out the opening statements from announcers

[thorn cedar]

whether you pay attention or not he holds up the entire loading screen until he's done monologuing

meanwhile if its morrow leading the mission his intro is less than 20s

[kind jay]

i use the Valkyrie Blitz Ingress mod to turn them off after hearing them a few times

it also speeds up hot dropping a bit

highly recommend

[thorn cedar]

"quartz is so hard to find"
🤔

i am a modless freak

[kind jay]

nothing wrong with that

[white sky]

In 2?

The only thing I had issues finding in 2 ngl is silver but that got solved

[thorn cedar]

silver for me was "where the hell is any of this?" to "oh god its everywhere" the moment i found some

[white sky]

Yeah lol

S2 is really good tbh

[thorn cedar]

very impressed so far

[white sky]

All the minor stuff like pulling resources from nearby boxes and the actual pacing feels great

[white sky]

I'm impressed they managed to make what seems to be S1+ tbh

[thorn cedar]

my only actual gripe that pulls me out is the denoiser for the lighting engine

its awful

especially inside bases

[white sky]

I'm chalking that up to EA rn

[thorn cedar]

sadly its pretty persistent in a lot of UE5 titles

[white sky]

Also I gotta say the game runs really well for being a UE5 EA game lol

[thorn cedar]

maybe they do fix it

but oof it looks just terrible when light pixels are punching through a solid wall and flickering like crazy

and you cant turn that off, its baked in

doesnt happen often thankfully

[white sky]

I might be thinking of something else then ngl

[thorn cedar]

im mixed on performance but my CPU is on the older side

well its hard to snag a screenshot but lemme try

[white sky]

My whole rig is on the older side and the game feels fine

Like I'm really impressed by the optimization

[thorn cedar]

yeah its really hard to capture in a screenshot lmao

if you zoom in it just looks 'messy'

around the top of the light fixture

id have to wait for the ingame sun to come up to get a better example

[white sky]

Oh yeah I see what you mean

It's like

"fuzzy"

[thorn cedar]

and thats 'acceptable' all things considered

you have to stare at it to see it

[white sky]

Yeah I was gonna say

If that's the biggest issue it's an easy day lol

[thorn cedar]

but in certain lightning it's doing that effect and it brings in light from outside into a dark room

and that is VERY hard to ignore

but yes this is really the worst it gets and we're talking about bare boxes that you then add windows and light to so the issue goes away

[white sky]

I wonder how long it's gonna be in EA tbh

Historically speaking 2 and a half years

But it seems so

Like what's there seems done

[thorn cedar]

they said two years, i believe them

[white sky]

Didn't know they said 2 tbh

[thorn cedar]

2-3 was their estimate yeah

base building is soooooo good in this one

[white sky]

I like the shapes tbh

It feels hostile

The shapes used feel very corporate

[thorn cedar]

its very aperture yes

[white sky]

Big time yeah, I can see that

The story is cool too

The story defo grabs me more than 1 or 2

[thorn cedar]

yeah big fan of the first mission being "kill yourself"

sets proper expectations

story for 1 was perfect imo because there was nobody with you other than the PDA

BZ started off very promising but they had to do major rewrites halfway through cause of some issue with a voice actress

which sucked

the result was okay but the original premise had a lot more promise and started strong

we'll see for this one

the AI is at least not constantly talking your ear off

Did not care for AIan

[white sky]

I like that this one has two AI

I like that they seem to be at odds with each other too

[white sky]

I told him no lol

[thorn cedar]

I also said no but ended up dying to blight fish

It was a matter of time anyway what with being unable to eat

[white sky]

I still haven't died tbh

I don't think I ever died in S1 but things were way less aggro in 1

[thorn cedar]

oh ive deffo died in every game lol

in this one i was basically going the wrong way for too long

so i was just dying to starvation over and over

BZ was the worst one for me

there is/was a glitch where if you entered a vehicle inbetween an animation (i forget which) the game would think you were still outside in the water

so i died while sitting in my powered seatruck to asphyxiation reading a PDA

that was 40hrs into my hardcore

i never went back to the game after that tbh

even though i love sea monkeys

[rotund prairie]

What do I do against 15 bulwarks and crushers at once

Other than pray to the emperor for a quick painless demise

[thorn cedar]

depends what youre using

i kite around barrels and break them up, vault around boxes and shit

force swords have a heavy staggering push attack

[kind jay]

abuse geometry or engage in melee like the chaddest psyker nurgle has ever seen

but yeah depends what you're using

[rigid sky]

Stab them in the head with your (hopefully) anti-crusher melee

[rotund prairie]

Using the force greatsword

[rigid sky]

Every psyker needs to have anti-crusher on their melee tbh, because no psyker ranged or blitz can really do it efficiently and reliably

[rotund prairie]

So heavy attack the face

[rigid sky]

Force greatswords murder crushers

[rotund prairie]

Got it

[rigid sky]

if you have the mark 6, just heavy attack them in the head

[rotund prairie]

I didn’t real die the head was the weak spot lol still learning

[rotund prairie]

Yes

[rigid sky]

if you have the mark 8, you can do heavy attacks too, but the strongest hit if you get the chance is a stab that follows the push attack

mark 6 is the best imo if you can be bothered to learn the proper horde combo for it (LLLH loop)

since having the stab in the heavy chain is much more convenient than having it in the push attack chain

and the mark 8 has that stupid horizontal H1 that doesn't need to exist

[kind jay]

i prefer 8 cause I'm going to be force pushing regardless

[rigid sky]

with the 6 I don't even bother with the force push

I'm scarier to the crushers than they are to me

[thorn cedar]

its actually LL qq LL

[kind jay]

i just like doing it

[rigid sky]

I mean you can do that sure

if you're a heretic

[rotund prairie]

What’s the Q

[dusk timber]

weapon swap

[rotund prairie]

Ohhhh

I’m on console so that’s probably the confusion

I’ll try both loops

Which is better

For hordes

And when do you sorta like incorporate dodges and blocks/pushes into the chain

[rigid sky]

Dodges blocks and pushes are just as and whens

you have to do them in reaction to what's going on around you

don't be afraid about dodging or blocking too often at least to begin with too, it's better that you defend unnecessarily than second guess yourself and take a hit

[rotund prairie]

Okay got it, thanks for the tips

[rigid sky]

the FGS is an everything-killer

only thing it needs is the attack speed node

[rotund prairie]

The combat in this game is nothing like SM2 so adjusting a lot lol

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1363438686225698826/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.04.20_-_09.57.47.03.mp4?ex=6a0c263a&is=6a0ad4ba&hm=ae1dd989685e9e4825cc2b5141f7a377f1563f462062840f994fceb6c50992a5&

[rotund prairie]

Running a melee psyker build with it, it’s tuff

[rigid sky]

and preferably disrupt destiny/scrier's, but yeah lol

[rigid sky]

it's definitely the best option for a melee focused psyker

(which includes gunker)

[rotund prairie]

I’m using both

[rigid sky]

love to see it

disgusting levels of power

[rotund prairie]

Oh wow

[plucky flax]

If you're on console I don't think it's possible.

Heard the weapon swap is weird there.

[cosmic cobalt]

that just normal dt being ass

[rotund prairie]

Rip, I guess I’ll try it but if that’s right I’ll do LLLH

[cosmic cobalt]

weapon swap can be buffered but there action that override it

no idea why that a thing

[plucky flax]

I'd just not do any heavy for horde clear. Reserve that for elites picking.

Do 3 lights - block - 3 lights

The horizontal vanguard heavy just comes out really slow on fgs6.

[rotund prairie]

I see

I’ll try that too

[cosmic cobalt]

just light spam over bc

bc is slow ass in this game

lll qq cancel is better but ig console

[steel flame]

Still not as silly as fire fgs but big bonk 1 shots sure are fun

[rigid sky]

you can deal with having every 4th swing not be a sweep, yeah

zealots already deal with that on every third with relic blade X

[steel flame]

When you do warp slash special doing it as a heavy also gives you a horizontal heavy swing with "unlimited" cleave that counts as a full melee attack in addition to the warp slash itself

[cosmic cobalt]

relic is different because their heavy doesn't take years to come out

[cosmic cobalt]

it is unlimited

[steel flame]

And on fgs 6 warp slash combos directly into the big heavy stab

[steel flame]

It is but someone will come "um actually" you that there is in fact a cleave limit somewhere up in space

[cosmic cobalt]

no

💀

iirc it doesn't use the cleave system at all but just damage fall off

[steel flame]

There is an engine limit to clear that we can never reach

[dusk timber]

there isnt

[steel flame]

I don't care either way, it's unlimited cleave enough for me

[kind jay]

warp slice heavy is really nice you can get like half the bar back

or just a fat heavy if you're spamming it

and if i know one thing it's fat things

[spice aurora]

push light repeat will let u escape nearly anything too, its also a different light its full horizontal

[thorn cedar]

oh yea thats a good one too

[fathom adder]

What is fat shark's next big update after the inevitable admech class

[rich spindle]

1 year After admech they will finally take blight out of rotation

For 1 week

[kind jay]

didnt hear this from me but its Ogryn 2

which is just ogryn, but more

[lone ravine]

correct, i saw it from you

[kind jay]

[fathom adder]

Dual Pauls and Twin-Linked Rumbler
Time to Game

[jovial juniper]

Ogryn 2 so their ranged sucks twice as much

[kind jay]

its actually ogryn psyker so you'll have TWIN-LINKED FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT MARK SECHS

[lone ravine]

ogryn 2 now has 3 abilities at once

[kind jay]

assail replaced by rocks

[lone ravine]

earth bending ogryn

[ashen edge]

Aside of blight I haven't seen pus hardened skin for a while now. Maybe it become obsolete?

[buoyant maple]

new weapons & maps, hopefully

move the plot forward

[ashen edge]

Whoever think blight should make anyone drop their battery when step on it is a good idea should be cursed to step on lego every time they wake up

[steel flame]

As a lover of melee I LOVE having to constantly stop meleeing things because they keep barfing on the floor

[steel flame]

Make it two legos

[wraith sphinx]

Hopefully adventure mode specific and not yet another half baked separate game mode that nobody will play after first 2 weeks

[rotund prairie]

I’m encountering an increased number of what I’d describe as bs deaths on damnation difficulty

[thorn cedar]

now this is what i was really talking about

let me tell you that that wall is flickering when in gameplay

[dire wharf]

@verbal thistle

[verbal thistle]

@dire wharf

[rich spindle]

@rich spindle

[dire wharf]

How can I grt better with using laspistol as backup to fgs

[verbal thistle]

Alot of practice, when I was doing my zealot solo I was training to swap to las pistol when I need distance/push bursters

That muscle memory still stuck but it took a lot of runs

So maybe for the next few runs when you dodge, swap to pistol

Get used to it

[dire wharf]

I noticed there is a very slight delay on the las pistol force push and it annoys me

[verbal thistle]

Don't force push with it

Fgs has same push

[dire wharf]

Ok

[verbal thistle]

I only did in my zealot solo because it's not a force push

[dire wharf]

Same range?

[verbal thistle]

Yeah iirc

Force push is for psyker swords and las pistol on psyker

Same profile

[rich spindle]

An easy place to start is swapping to pistol when you run between groups of enemies

[verbal thistle]

Or when you see an obvious attack aimed for you, swap (overheads/grabs)

[dire wharf]

This is a big reason why i love shredder

[verbal thistle]

To get used to it

[rich spindle]

I still haven’t learned this habit

Cus I always play with ek staff 😭

[verbal thistle]

I didn't really have it before my zealot solo

But after it stuck

[dire wharf]

Oh i gotta remember this

[verbal thistle]

Like 3 weeks of on and off practice

[rich spindle]

I haven’t done pistol in a hot minute

[verbal thistle]

It's so helpful

[dire wharf]

I like staff/knife combo for this

[rich spindle]

I have a habit of pressing 2 before I quell cus I always have ek staff on

[dire wharf]

I'm really loving having dodge and slide on tue controller back side paddles but my brain is fighting me on using them

[rich spindle]

So when I use a gun I just reload randomly

[white sky]

Your wall locker is pissing me off

[rich spindle]

I heard the paddles are pretty necessary for console sliding

[dire wharf]

It certainly makes playing more streamlined and in the long run, once I get used to the set up, I'll be playing much better

[olive oar]

It has excellent cleave and is an excellent attack to use when you have Blazing Spirit or Charged Strike.

[dire wharf]

Attack patterns are the worst part about the game imo

Let me do my own

Something like the melee combat in kingdom come deliverance

[fathom adder]

I mean, on one hand it's kind of silly when the game says "you can't thrust until after you do an overhead swing because... well because you JUST CAN'T okay?!"

On the other hand, without some kind of restriction it would just be horizontal sweeps for hordes and thrust/overhead for single target every time on every weapon

[lone ravine]

what do you mean you dont wanna do a uppercut swing that will only ever bodyshot?

its integreral to the swing pattern!!

[zinc phoenix]

that would be sick and competely not work with their encounter design. imagine you're trying to flow thru a duel against some random rager and then forty billion walkers spawn from the next door

[dire wharf]

That's basiclly what happened if you attack one of the large mercenary camps

[crisp ether]

You're goated with it tbh

I was at the edge of my seat seeing you clutch with it last night lmfaoo

I was selling so hard during those games. Those bursters were fucking evil.

[zinc phoenix]

i killed every guy in that big camp they story gate in the first game where henry has the torture scene. it was pretty funny. you'd think "oh he killed them with amazing skill" but actually i discovered if you go into a tent the ai loses track of where you are so you can walk out, kill some dudes, walk back in and crouch and theyre like "must have been the wind". they can only track you if youre currently fighting in the tent which you can solve by killing that guy 😂

and ofc i used the busted op blunt damage weapons so i coud bonk everything to death thru the armor

[rich spindle]

Game is evil

[crisp ether]

Nah why were the specialist combos so egregious though 😭

Feels like they've been even crazier since the patch

[rich spindle]

I’m pretty sure the specialist rate got turned into a fire hose

Seeing 4 bombers at once a lot more often than usual

[crisp ether]

Like it feels like the second one dies, another is just instantly replacing .

Groups of four of the same specialist too.

[rich spindle]

Yeah I had a twins fight where I just camped a spawn point killing 19 specials in a row

While the team did the whole fight without me

[crisp ether]

I had to do that for that drop down after the tunnel in Magistrati when we had a monster and captain spawn

Just a constant swarm of them coming from the stairs

[rich spindle]

She magistrates my oub til I liette

[rich spindle]

I LOVE YOU

I’m trying out mk8 blazing spirit charged strike tonight

[thorn cedar]

trust me we're just going to have to grieve it togethe rbecause i already went through all the phases of grief there

just wouldnt fucken go down like the other lockers for some reason but i didnt want to leave no locker

[kind jay]

guys i think my follow up interview went well. but nothing concrete yet :(

the waiting is nerve wracking

[thorn cedar]

yea it sucks

[lone ravine]

what did you apply to?

[kind jay]

software engineer

[lone ravine]

oo good luck

[thorn cedar]

usually i relieve the tension by writing a letter inked in my own blood thanking the company for their time and current consideration. i tend to get a reply really quickly after that

[kind jay]

i was recommended thru contacts so i had a good start there

[lone ravine]

pro tip: use the blood of a person in the role youre trying to apply for, itll give the company more vacancies to fill giving you a better chance AND you stay healthy yourself!

[kind jay]

time to relieve stress in dt using my FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT 😡

it was actually kinda funny cause they asked me what i do outside of work so i was like i like gaming. "what kinda games?" "DARKTIDE"

theyre gonna think i enjoy mass murder (i do)

[rich spindle]

I’m a DL gamer 🤫

[lone ravine]

go apply to a bank and say your favorite game is payday 2

itll get you the job fr fr

[kind jay]

yes i like payday 2 and gta please hire me

[olive oar]

Zazy already demonstrated the value of blazing spirit, but the thing about charged strike is that it acts as extra cleave damage, so all enemies that have been hit by your heavy will take extra 600 damage. Pretty useful for builds without staff in general. Also with charged strike it's trivial to always have 5 stacks of each kind of malefic momentum, and if you use wrath as the other blessing you will mow down scores of enemies without even noticing.

[dire wharf]

It's the worst

[dire wharf]

Do you have a link to his build

[rigid sky]

If there is genuinely a good fire sword build that works

I have got to try this shit

[dire wharf]

DMV: so what do you want you license plate to say?

[olive oar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/zazys-blazing-spirit-greatsword-unga-bunga-experience

[rich spindle]

2026 YEAR OF BLAZING SPIRIT FGS RAHHHHHH 🗣️

[jovial juniper]

By the emperor

The freaks are going crazy

[rich spindle]

Cast off your chains be free

[jovial juniper]

I have no chains

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-air-for-some-time-now-that's-why-i'm-confused-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-14530463061911690734

[olive oar]

I'm trying to demonstrate that in many scenarios, specially if you don't play with infernostaff, you can get a huge value from blazing spirit because of the sum of psyker talents, and this same logic applies to Charged Strike.

[rich spindle]

I’m
Here to learn

Excited for what the night will bring

[rigid sky]

Charged strike + blazing spirit sounds fun too

[jovial juniper]

Who put cap on my statement

[rich spindle]

Charged strikes was fun to use on a no-peril allowed build

[jovial juniper]

That's crazy

Assuming the Brazilian still chained

[rich spindle]

Wow, cap be upon ye

Woe

[olive oar]

Perilous Combustion, Wildfire and Blazing Spirit works in tandem to make short work crowded close encounters, imagine its damage being free extra cleave. Blazing spirit works as bleed but if a bleeding enemy recently died you will deal double the bleed damage, this is what wildfire adds to the game.

[jovial juniper]

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/sharktank-mark-cuban-raise-eyebrow-hmm-thinking-gif-16894482

[olive oar]

If you measure only in a single fight, it's damage seems useless, when the game starts to get crowded you'll perceive it's value, the problem is that Inferno is so overcentralizing that if one compare's anything else to it it becomes eclipsed in the comparison.

[rich spindle]

Now that we can agree on

[olive oar]

Yeah, that's why I reiterate over and over that this is relevant if one's not using Inferno.

[rich spindle]

Repetition is the key to knowledge 🔑 💯

[kind jay]

i had a good time with the blazing spirit build, def good

[olive oar]

Funny this meme from someone that was crying that nobody was valuing your incredible Heavy Sword fleeing skills! hahahaha

[rich spindle]

My teacher… your tongue is too sharp…

[white sky]

No good options then I see

[dire wharf]

Charged strike?

What's that

[crisp ether]

Smite subnode that makes your melee heavies do shock DoTs

[dire wharf]

Oh yeah, thx

[crisp ether]

I honestly like it. It's just that I don't like the blitz it's attached to.

[dire wharf]

I'm addicted to kinetic flay

[steel flame]

Nice to see a proper DPS/floor tank hybrid xP

Got me curious what the damage source split is

@fallow dawn What got you the most damage in the round?

[steel flame]

Noice

Trauma go brrrrrr

[dire wharf]

@steel flame I'm having fun with the build you posted

How are you getting 50% peril with warp slash though

I'm assuming you mean with 1 warp slash?

[kind jay]

low warp res on the sword

i think zazy's is like 24 or something

if ive learned anything from that build is that im really good with laspistol

[steel flame]

I have a 26 warp rez fgs but the break point for 50% peril gain is 29

[olive oar]

@steel flame
Voidstrike tests all are weakspot critical hits all critical hits thrice because of Surge.
6 stacks of WS - 1866
6 Stacks of WS + WR 16% - 2089
6 Stacks of WS + WR 20% - 2127.
6 Stacks of WS + SG lingering effect 30sec - 2228
6 Stacks of WS + SG 30 seconds - 2557
6 Stacks of WS + SG 30 + WR 16% - 2803 - Can't go for full 20% without disabling timer on SG
WR adds, when 80% peril, 250+- extra damage.
SG when reaching 30 seconds and while sustaining adds 325+- damage
So being able to sustain SG for longer will give greater value than being able to go over the cap sometimes when using WR, it takes time to reach the extra 30% SG again, so each time it goes down we have to recover both SG time and WS stacks.

Base is 1531 damage

With all these number I can finally see if WS adds base damage or not, let me math something out.

[steel flame]

If you manage your peril correctly you can do both for an extended period of time it just requires extra effort and precise peril management but it is more damage

[kind jay]

@olive oar does voidstrike surge hit 3 times? or am i misunderstanding something?

[steel flame]

It hits twice

[formal harness]

weak

play better bro

[steel flame]

It's also boosting your dot damage too

[olive oar]

I was misanderstanding, always thought it was 3, it's 2. OMG.

[kind jay]

its ok i just wanted to make sure

[steel flame]

😜

[olive oar]

I know, But my max bonuses as it stands now is
SG 40% + MT 15% + WS 24% = +79% - My main problem is that by using warp rider I'll have to juggle the peril to a high value, and that increases the risk of prematurely ending SG, thus losing the extra 10% it gives while active and having to get it again. And at the same time will have to get WS stacks too.

Also you suggested to keep Empyric something, keeping the warp resist from the keystone can give better warp resist and results in no toughness penalty.

[steel flame]

Warp ghost almost entirely cancels out empyric and your peril resist isn't constantly changing so peril management is always consistent and smooth

[grim tree]

Does anyone have any good reference videos for bubble inferno high level gameplay so i can improve my monkey brain

[crisp ether]

No because bubble inferno is not high level gameplay

[steel flame]

eh ill probably keep warp rider but drop warp ghost and go back to warp charge warp resist

[dire wharf]

My warp res is 19 and 1 warp slice.puts my peril at 39

[steel flame]

hmmm

same build right?

fgs mk8 and mk6 have the same generation

[dire wharf]

Yeah

I think I'm using 6

Nope, 8

[rich spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQw6wfl2uI

vect knows all the dark arts of abusing inferno staff to maximum

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/pintheflamingo-reconsider-rabbit-bugs-bunny-catch-rabbit-gif-6503315564508844936

[rich spindle]

you have to get it out of your system before you can move on

[spice aurora]

RECOMMEND SMITE PSYKER IS VERY GOOD BIG CC

[olive oar]

Voidstrike blast size.

I did not make my previous post an answer. oh...

[spice aurora]

i am the goat

[verbal thistle]

reminds me of this

[frozen loom]

his build is making me reconsider stuff but i feel like a lot of it is because his personal skill is allowing removal of some crutches

[rotund prairie]

@rich spindle hey, the build you sent me is goated btw. Question tho, would using a heavy las pistol be worse than the staff? The thing is that it’s easy to blow up with the staff when I need to use it on a specialist

And if I changed to a gun any idea of what perks to change if I need to

[steel flame]

Bizzare

I get exactly 50.2

[rich spindle]

theyre about equal

las pistol wont be able to delete specials and stunlock ragers as well

but it does more boss and reaper dmg

if you wanna use your pistol for killing specials then maniacs is a good perk. I like taking reload speed but unyielding or elite are good picks

it doesnt matter a lot

[rotund prairie]

Any talents that need to be changed for that or no

[rich spindle]

hmmm not really I think

you still get maelific momentum procs from the greatsword slash

true aim might be better than kinetic deflection with the laspistol

[rotund prairie]

I may try that

Thanks man!

[rich spindle]

ah yeah hes using a weird build in that one

his gameplay isnt different than if he had a more standard build tho

[frozen loom]

how good is empyric shock on purg in high havoc?

[rich spindle]

its an ok bonus, you dont need it

[frozen loom]

Yea I'm really getting skill-diff'd right here

[rich spindle]

you can still do 2million+ damage with a grey unupgraded inferno staff in high havoc

its all about positioning and being able to constantly apply stacks

[verbal thistle]

sometimes can be a downside since you want high peril fast

wait

thats resolve

[spice aurora]

purg is bad thats why they just buffed it

[verbal thistle]

shock is meh

empyric shock really only does sometimes with left click ek staff builds

not worthwhile for purg outside max macro

[rich spindle]

I used to run it instead of wildfire cus it gave a semblance of engagement for big guys

[frozen loom]

i was actually thinking exactly the big bois for it, but fair

[rich spindle]

in theory it boosts your boss ticks by whatever amount but a lot of the time you have better stuff to do than spam 5 m1s on a boss

if youre lucky youll get a boosted kinetic flayer proc on a boss and that's a pretty big difference

[frozen loom]

I'll think about it

[olive oar]

Or we can simply have a Veteran tag the boss for us and then kablamo, 34% extra damage DEALT to whole team.

[kind jay]

no i want my team to get stuck fighting other things so i can have an epic boss duel using my FLAMMEN-MACHTGROßSCHWERT

[rotund prairie]

With force greatsword do you all target the head on scab maulers?

I know it’s the weak spot but it’s carapace armor

[rigid sky]

Greatsword has good ADMs for Carapace on the overheads and poke

Especially if you're running any of the finesse boosts like DD or SG have

[icy breach]

Its either that or wildfire which for purg is dogshit (unless you have a tunnel vision and spray only 1 direction while surrounded by enemies which is already a pepega move)

[icy breach]

Its perfect for Brain Rupture EP KR bossing wdym; 30% extra dmg on a good timer for an ability that does 1.25 adm vs unyielding

You melt bosses and from a safe distance too

[silver quarry]

How exactly do you work stacks. Trying to get my psyker do do more

[steel flame]

Stacks of what

Psyker has lotsa things with stacks

[jovial juniper]

Yes

[steel flame]

Based

[jovial juniper]

It's going to come down to kill things and be at high peril

That's about it

[dire wharf]

@steel flame that build is a lot of fun

Plus I didn't know about warp beam into heavy poke attack. Goated

[steel flame]

Glad you are enjoying it

Made it to be as fun as possible

[kind jay]

i moved all the defensive stuff to dd

because i only have 1 braincell and the constant threat of death is fun

[dire wharf]

Using the warp slice more often is giving me TG Cid vibes

[rigid sky]

Open your eyes to the darkness and drown in its loveless embrace. The gods will not be watching.

Seven shadows cast, seven fates foretold. Yet at the end of the broken path lies death and death alone.

Honed is the blade that severs the villain's head. Endless is the path that leads him from hell.

[cloud folio]

saw a cool build.

all assail + scrier + blaze force sword + autopistol (not blazeforcegreatsword)

kinda melee with assail

[dire wharf]

That sounds fun

[cloud folio]

am trying to remember that build, 😭

[dire wharf]

Did you check the pins

[cloud folio]

trying to find on build bonanza

cant find

[dire wharf]

You could ask one of the resident experts

[cloud folio]

ya, anyone here make build around this?>

[olive oar]

Mister E has a video showcasing that especific build

[dusk timber]

mister E 🥀

[keen trail]

🥀

[steel flame]

Mister E is certainly......a YouTuber that covers darktide

[dusk timber]

debatable

[steel flame]

*tries to cover darktide

[dusk timber]

debatable

[steel flame]

My actual thoughts are not very server friendly

And I'll leave it at that

[bleak hearth]

I love Kinetic Flayer. It’s funny that you can just do something like a combat blade punch and make a head explode like Fist of the North Star

[olive oar]

Did some tests and trying to math this out, but these numbers aren't making any sense, guess the mod is broken, did this test in the psykhanium.

[steel flame]

Welcome to the world of dark tide where trying to verify literally anything number related is only barely preferable to hitting your head with a hammer

[olive oar]

My main doubt is WS damage, one source says it increases damage% instead of base damage, as stated un game and some mods. The Veteran has a talent that increases base damage.
If this is really base damage it is a totally different kind of beast, equal to strength.

[dusk timber]

check kuli guide for that

[boreal jetty]

So, what's the current comparisons between running the Force Sword vs. the Force Great Sword?

[dusk timber]

force sword fills pretty much the same niche as stuff like knife or duelling sword for staff builds

[dire wharf]

Either works great, comes down to personal vibes

[kind jay]

math is for nerds

there's 2 universal truths to dt:

1. if i hit it enough it dies
2. if it hits me enough i die

that's all you need

[olive oar]

My main problem is the universal recommendation to go for Warp Rider even if that's counterproductive with SG, if a build can hold SG it starts to outvalue WR very consistently.

[kind jay]

put the point somewhere else and see how it works out