psyker-class

[pulsar cedar]

@static vessel ts i was running last night

all curios the same

[static vessel]

Missing out on all the extra weak spot damage huh

I understand why you took the empathic evasion but with all the toughness you gen from mark kills you really don't need it as long as you keep killing and taking cover when needed.

https://youtu.be/gwDexhtrH1w copy what ainz does here

Light Light heavy light Light heavy. That heavy is worth a lot

[pulsar cedar]

yeahh...... i can see that now

im a baby if i take any damage i start weeping

[static vessel]

[warm latch]

should I keep rangeded crit chance? or switch it out for something else. shriek build?

[buoyant maple]

could do maniac, unyielding or elite

[warm latch]

would elite even be worth it? isn't it only 10%

[static vessel]

Also you don't need warp unbound. Just look at your meter before you do your sword special attack. Thats literally your only warp using attack besides push w heavy las and special push w sword I believe.

You'll be okay if its under 100 percent.

[buoyant maple]

yes but it works on a lot of enemies

gunners, shotgunners, ragers, maulers, bulwarks, reapers, plasma gunners, and crusher

it's a good pick for when ur indecisive about which among them u should prioritize more

[pulsar cedar]

i can't overload to damage right?

like enemy hits

[frail oar]

The crit is fine I wouldnt overthinj that too much. If you aren't taking empathic evasion and the top right crit nodes switch to maniac/unyielding.

[pulsar cedar]

in vt2 when you were unchained i think you could overload to damage which is why i'm kinda playing it safe

[dire wharf]

"Hello my pr.." splat

Feels good ambushing a trapper

[rancid geyser]

ranged crit chances is almost never worth putting on a weapon over targeted damage as the 5% crit doesn't provide much damage across a mission or uptime for crit talents/blessings

[marsh dew]

Can someone explain why you want crit on flame staff? What actually crits? Primary fire? Dots? Everything? I get how crits are powerful with ranged immunity, toughness regen, etc. I just don't actually know mechanically how crit works on flame staff

[buoyant maple]

Critical attacks from inferno apply 2 stacks of soulblaze instead of 1

It builds up DOT faster

[marsh dew]

Yeah, I get why crits are good, I just don't know what actually crits / what your crit chance is

[marsh dew]

Like if I'm burning a room full of enemies and critting non-stop, great

[buoyant maple]

Inferno has base crit chance of +0%

Psyker crit chance is 7.5%

Warp nexus goes up to +20% but usually u will hover around +15%

[rancid geyser]

Your attacks crit, not the dot

[thorn cedar]

its the puff

[fathom adder]

what actually crits
The damage ticks from the flame staff, IIRC every 0.75 seconds

[buoyant maple]

Psyker has a 5% crit chance node and a 5% crit chance aura

[rancid geyser]

Each m1 and each projectile from m2 can crit

Following off of what Guide said, due to base crit and the warp nexus you are usually hovering like 22.5% crit chance. That plus up to 15% crit off of the tree. That +15% leaves you at 37.5% crit which is pretty much all you need

[marsh dew]

Sweet, so if I'm blasting a horde I should be crit'ing non-stop

[fathom adder]

Also for what it's worth, the max number of stacks the staff can apply is 15, unless you crit on an enemy with 14 stacks to bring it to 16

[buoyant maple]

Yes

[static vessel]

Nope

[fathom adder]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

At the bottom is some more detailed mechanics of Soulblaze

[marsh dew]

Is kinetic flayer worth it in H40 w/ flame staff? I've been running assail so I have anything to deal with ranged enemies, and 1 elite kill every 12 seconds just doesn't seem that substantial, as well as circumstantial if its a particularly useful kill (like a trapper mixed in a horde)

[buoyant maple]

Kinetic flayer is worth, period

[marsh dew]

word. I tend not to like randomness especially on a moderate cooldown

[rancid geyser]

It is very substantial when you think about how it helps clear Hordes over time

[buoyant maple]

It’s not random it’s 100% chance every 12s

[rancid geyser]

Most engagements go on for minutes and having KF pop an enemy for PC to spread a bit faster does add up over the course of and engagement. That and it is valuable boss damage

[marsh dew]

right but random which enemy pops if there are many in front of me

[buoyant maple]

It will spread soulblaze from perilous combustion onto everything nearby

[rancid geyser]

Kinda- sorta, if you time it you can near guarentee what it hits every 12 seconds. On inferno staff you should pretty much just assume it will strike the 1st valid target you are aiming at when firing. I'm not sure how the priority actually works though

[buoyant maple]

It just builds your soulblaze stack faster

And kills things

[icy breach]

Also 5% crit on killing an enemy with soulblaze

[buoyant maple]

Yea forgot about that honestly

[rancid geyser]

Yeah it's why I mentioned the +15%

[warm latch]

Is wildfire useful on a shriek build? idk if Um miss understanding the node or not

the spread is nice but if it makes it so they can not gain stacks of fire whats the point?

plus with high uptime of shriek everything is already on fire

[buoyant maple]

Yes

[buoyant maple]

Makes it so most things u fight start at ~4 stacks

It speeds up the rate you stack soulblaze on them

The faster u build soulblaze the more damage u will do

[warm latch]

this is true. in the wording it says they can not gain anymore stacks then the dying target

[rancid geyser]

from the talent*

FS is bad at explaining

[warm latch]

ahhhhh

ok that clears it up for me thank you

another question. for a shriek build is it better to have seer's or Prescience? for havoc 40's would it not be better to boost cooldown times for everyone?

5% crit can be a LOT for fire builds tho if you are already maxing

[rancid geyser]

generally speaking the cdr is appreciated more by the team

it's honestly the strongest aura out of the 3

especially after all the CDR nerfs that they did across the board

that and if you are running with a hive scum most of them are taking 5% crit anyway

[buoyant maple]

Both cooldown and crit are good, it’s kind of a toss up

Just go with preference really

Someone will tell u they swear by cooldown

[rancid geyser]

5% crit is a slight bit of consistenct vs 10% cdr being more shrieks for you, and over the course of a run it's a lot. Shrieks = more safety for the most part

[marsh dew]

Not just shrieks but for your team. Chorus, Taunt, Shout, etc coming up faster is huge, IMO

[rancid geyser]

I wouldn't rag on someone for taking the crit though

[rancid geyser]

yeah, it's generally just better

the best out of the 3

[marsh dew]

I only take crit if there's another psyker

[rancid geyser]

going from 32.5% crit to 37.5% crit is not that worth imo

[warm latch]

is that 32.5% with the 5% on the staff?

[rancid geyser]

neither is with the 5% crit from the staff

[fathom adder]

Also allows you to build more stacks since they're coming from different sources right?

[rancid geyser]

7.5% base + 5% each from the basic talent and soulblaze talent

then assuming you are on 3 stacks of warp nexus

[rigid sky]

Depends on the weapon imo? I feel like for a shriek Psyker you probably want the CDR aura though

Crit is good on inferno up to a point but not as good as cdr

But like I would probably take crit aura on a gun build

[rancid geyser]

i feel like crit aura on psyker and scum are both traps

and should be baked into the kits XD

[fathom adder]

More buffs for psyker and scum

Scum gets Toxin Greatsword and Psyker gets Force Shivs

[rancid geyser]

eeeew

[marsh dew]

Same as I said above, providing CDR to your whole team is so much more powerful than 5% crit regardless of what weapon/build you're using

[rancid geyser]

they could just be removed honestly and i would not lament that decision

they could replace them with better auras

kinda like what they did with that one zealot aura

the solo dolo one

[rancid geyser]

5% crit is legit not worth sacrificing any of the other choices

i legit would just take the elite damage over it too

I stand by that

[thorn cedar]

Funny enough only Psyker and Shout Vet really care to spam their shit endlessly off cooldown

So while 10% CDR is potent on its face, in practice in a live match it's actually not that impactful.

[rancid geyser]

in a reductive way, yeah

[warm latch]

cost me so much credits but I finally got one with lower warp res

[rigid sky]

Crit's pretty good above and beyond just the damage boost, for a lot of classes and builds too

[thorn cedar]

There's always going to be fringe instances where the 3s saved on a Bull Rush totally saved a run or whatever but it's very infrequent and the opposite is much more likely to be true instead (CDR has brought back an ult that is now being sat on for a proper moment)

[rigid sky]

ogryn and things like thunderhammers and flurry voidblasts don't care about it so much

[marsh dew]

when dealing with multiple bosses and a mixed horde, the fight will last long enough and be dangerous enough that faster shout/chorus/taunt/break the line, etc will be very worth it

[thorn cedar]

BtL does not need additional CDR lol

Your Arby has that covered all by themselves

[marsh dew]

no not really

your right

[rancid geyser]

hmmm idk what context this is, but zealot, and ogryn dont really hold their abilities either

more uptime and taunt and gold toughness is usually just better

[thorn cedar]

FotF I spam off CD but your Zealot can already easily achieve 100% FotF uptime within their own kit

[rancid geyser]

never really seen an ogryn or zealot hold those abilities

[rigid sky]

FotF gets double charge too

[marsh dew]

BtL cdr not nearly as impactful as faster shout/chorus, etc, but faster is faster 🙂

[rigid sky]

so cdr always good on it

without even needing to spam it

[thorn cedar]

Anyway all this to say I'll take crit over cdr basically every time.

If you have two psykers then make sure one runs each

[rigid sky]

I just take whichever aura fits what I'm carrying best tbh

[warm latch]

whats the best curios blessings for pysker now? still all three 17% toughness?

[rigid sky]

selfish auras ftw

[thorn cedar]

Also true

[rigid sky]

I like having a health to help with burster resistance

not sure if it's necessary tbh

haven't updated since last talent rework

might be that we don't die in two bursters any more? but I don't risk it lol

[rancid geyser]

would recommend i think hitting +30% health, i think that is the threshold that stops pox bursters from instantly killing you

[warm latch]

so one 20% health and 2 perks for health?

[rancid geyser]

personally i run 2x +17% toughness curios with +5% toughness and health on both and gunner resistance, then the last is a +20% health with +5% toughness, corruption resistance and +12% revive speed

you can probably ditch 1 gunner res for more revive speed

both help clutch out imo tho

i have been dunked on by gunners going for risky revives so i took the res

[warm latch]

no combat ability regen?

[rigid sky]

Stamina is kind of an option too to help with revives, and also if you're going deflector

[rancid geyser]

yes you have space 9 total slots

[warm latch]

ahh

[rigid sky]

You mainly just really want that health threshold and the gunner resistance

not having those means you occasionally get vaporised

the others are all subjective

[summer prairie]

everything is subjective, definitely this hp threshhold

[rancid geyser]

facts

if you are a good psyker you don't need health

so i am self reporting

[summer prairie]

No, I mean you can run 3 hp curios as well and it may be just as good or better.

[rancid geyser]

i forgot the total toughness you have at no toughness increase

was it like 80?

or 60?

at +44% you are sitting at like 120 toughness iirc

[summer prairie]

depending on what you run you have very high EE uptime anyway and for melee your toughness doesn't matter

[thorn cedar]

I avoid all burster issues by smashing alt+f4 the moment they hit me

This allows me to run 3x toughness

[rancid geyser]

aah found my stats

Total Toughness = 120|| Total Health = 144

is what i run around with in h40

I usually get tapped up when i have less toughness. I am bad

[dire wharf]

Health threshold?

[frail oar]

To not get one shot by a burster

[royal falcon]

being hit by a burster

fuck I hit enter too early

being hit by a burster should just crash to desktop

[rigid sky]

I'm playing auric mostly, so I'm talking about the amount you need to not die in two bursters

[frail oar]

I support a forced alt f4

[rigid sky]

because without some health, on auric you'll die (skip the down) on two bursters

which is a bit too twitchy for me

[dire wharf]

Gotcha

[urban meteor]

That's why I don't even bother playing it

[dire wharf]

This happened last night and had me howling

[urban meteor]

back in VT, I didn't even consider playing Cataclysm

Didn't even think of

[urban meteor]

That dog a minecraft player at heart

Straight up used the knockback fish from bedwars

[dire wharf]

Unfortunately the fall didn't kill him

[royal falcon]

The karnak twins be surviving some BULLLLLLSHIIIIIT all because of the script

[warm latch]

Shriek build is about to go crazy

[dire wharf]

@warm latch nice

[warm latch]

thanks!

[dire wharf]

Where did it come from?

Trying to get a BFG with low warp res like that

[warm latch]

it took about 1100 staffs to get the right roll from buying from the armory. have to get warp res as the dump and sub 5% AND have the other stats pretty evenly high. then empower it slowly till all other stats hit 80%

Thats the lowest Ive got. I have couple at 37% and 40%.

sub 30% is hard to get and I don't even know if you can get sub 20%

[knotty saddle]

stat minmaxers are a different breed

I dont have the patience for that O.o

[urban meteor]

Genuinely what the hell is Mortis solo

what do I do

What can I do

I get the worst Indulges ever and the most bs enemies in a row

Oh how I miss you, Infectious Headache + No Escape

[dire wharf]

got nothing else to soend resources on

[knotty saddle]

oh I mean I have basically infinite resources at this point too

but not TIME

rolling gear and doing inventory management is such a slog for me in this game

[dire wharf]

I got too much time :/

[flat dune]

Hi, am running 2x Wall + Warp Siphon, w/ Force Sword and Flame Staff. I also have Empyric Resolve. One thing that confuses me a bit, is the Warp Resistance stat for the Flame Staff (Warp Nexus + Blaze Away). Should I have Warp Resistance be as high (80/80) since I have Empyric Resolve that reduces Peril generation. Or should it be as low as possible (__<60%)? It's cause I'm imagining high warp res + empyric = longer to ramp up to high peril but easier to stay high peril but low warp res + empyric = easier to ramp up to high peril but harder to stay high peril? Appreciate the help.

Please correct me if there's something I'm not understanding. Or if it's not actually a huge deal etc.,

[dire wharf]

I like having a low warp resist on my flame staff

As low as possible, mine is 42

[flat dune]

@dire wharf Thanks for the response. Do you like Empyric Resolve with it? I had some flame staffs with 80 / 60 / 14 Warp Resistance and so I had read differing guides/builds with varying degrees.

[kind jay]

its easier to edge peril with low peril res, as weird as that sounds

theres nothing wrong with stacking it if you're comfortable with it

you want peril to go up faster so your buffs kick in faster

[flat dune]

@kind jay Thanks for the info. I'm not super well-versed with the Psyker. How is Empyric Resolve framed/viewed from an experienced Psyker perspective? Like the function, it is viewed as a luxury/ease of use or a boost to long-term DPS due to less quelling (but as you mentioned, takes longer for peril to go up)

[thorn cedar]

Pretty solid split of opinions.

Some think it's irredeemable garbage (me) others think it's incredibly valuable

[flat dune]

Yeah, because I'm not super experienced with Psyker. I am trying to make sense of the class intracacies. I'm completely cool with "ripping the bandaid off" so to speak if certain things are crutching my development as a player, whether game mechanics / in-game sense.

Good to know there's a mix of opinions out there

[dire wharf]

I'll have to check to see if I have that, I don't think I do

[kind jay]

it has its uses. ive used it comfortably on most staves but its really more of a lazy pick for when you just want to kinda spam and dont really care about buffs, and arent using scriers. so really more of an ease of use to answer your question

but psyker thrives on edging peril so ultimately i recommend going low peril res

try without empyric for a bit

[frozen loom]

with the nerfed duelling swords, is it now recc'd to go force swords with inferno?

[flat dune]

@kind jay Thank you so much. For example, someone taught me on Veteran yesterday to perhaps not use the Talent that reloads automatically via Weapon Specialist for Plasma Gun, and instead use reload sprint-cancel tech to free-up a point and sorta optimize. Should I try Empyric with a low Warp Res staff? I have one that is 14 and 60.

[kind jay]

14 warp res with all 80s everywhere?

[flat dune]

Yeah, I can upgrade just the Warp Res if necessary

14, and 80s everywhere

[kind jay]

no leave it like that forever lol

[flat dune]

Okay, I bought one with low res, 60, and 80 just in case. Since I was reading stuff that varied

I'll probably have to get used to quelling peril more often, with no Empyric.

[kind jay]

you just have to tap really

[flat dune]

Tap as in, just long enough for the percentage to move down?

[kind jay]

yeah you wont blow up as long as youre below 100

but you odnt need to quell to like 0

just a quick tap is usually enough

i think going down to around 80 is fine too to have some space

since you are using shields you dont have a save button

[flat dune]

Okay, will give it a try in the Psykhanium. I've always been scared once I hit 100 peril, to immediately quell a lot since I don't wanna blow up. Gotta learn the timing or window I have.

[kind jay]

it takes some getting used to

[flat dune]

@kind jay This is the build I have at the moment, with Empyric Resolve out. Any recs on where to put the last skill point?

[kind jay]

probably vulnerable minds (to the left of Warp Rider)

quietude is also a good option for more toughness regen

[flat dune]

Oh, and this is with a Blaze Force Sword / Flame staff ofc.

[rancid geyser]

I dont recommend using Just a dream without one of the venting abilities

[flat dune]

@rancid geyser Oh, I previously had Anticipation before but wanted to try Just a Dream since I saw other builds with it. I had an inkling it might not do much for me. I should go back to Anticipation yeah?

@rancid geyser And by "venting abilities" it is Shriek and Scrier's?

[rancid geyser]

Just A Dream is the strongest in terms of tankiness provided in that section, but the quelling you might end up needing to do is rough without extra venting avenues. Maybe inferno bubble can use it if you are micro on the peril but you can take enough hits to where the value immediately shuts off.

[rancid geyser]

yes

even for me i think the only time i use it is with Reality Anchor

mostly because its quelling speed + peril gen reduction, but in all honesty it's still rough

[flat dune]

@kind jay Thanks a lot. I never would've thought to try Quietude. For now, I'll put the point into Vulnerable Minds. And see how my toughness feels now that I don't have that toughness penalty from Empyric.

[frozen loom]

do we have images for force sword attack patterns?

I found the greatsword ones

[kind jay]

just a dream can ramp up your peril suddenly and you go boom

[rancid geyser]

yup

on shriek inferno it works because you vent enough

[kind jay]

and since youre dropping your peril res even more so

[flat dune]

@rancid geyser Good to know. I haven't tried Scriers or Venting a lot since I enjoy the teamplay with the 2x shields. And when I used Scriers I don't remember ever trying Reality Anchor as I'm not too good yet of maximizing peril gain/quell etc

Used them enough for penances etc., but not like true experience with full builds.

@kind jay Ah I had no idea about the interaction. I had Just a Dream equipped for a few days and I don't think I experienced that interaction. Or maybe, I wasn't aware enough to know it happened lol

[wind wave]

I haven't played since the update dropped, is that build still doing good post-patch?

[rancid geyser]

unfortunately it still is, it got touched a bit, but is still just as brain dead

i want it to get nerfed without compensation

[wind wave]

it got me to 40, but yeah I'm kinda with you on it. I'm wanting to get back into psyker again after doing a ton of arby so I'm on the hunt for a different build that isn't so left-click braindead

[urban meteor]

Where is Infectious Headache

It's been 8 trials already, please

[olive oar]

Hi, I've seen the guide that seems to be attached to this Discord channel, I've noticed some omitions and would like to talk about what could be a major breakthrough with the Voidstrike staff.

[crisp ether]

Curious.

[potent echo]

[olive oar]

The crux of the Voidstrike in higher difficulties, even in Auric Maelstrom or some events is that its inability to deal with high density of enemies.
The solution of this problem is making a Voidstrike Blazing Spirit build, well, I guess that many have tried to do so but failed when facing one problem, this takes a crucial blessing slot, thus reducing either the critical chance or triple critical hit.

[potent echo]

I don't think void struggles with hordes

It just struggles in anywhere not a hallway

[olive oar]

Not really, it has a small weakness in the mid range, yes, but can be competent with the right build.

[potent echo]

If you want to make voidstrike in general maps good why not just take a melee weapon/blitz that can cover for that weakness instead of nerfing the power of hallway voidstrike

[olive oar]

Because it won't be a nerf, it will be an increase, a veritable increase. One that can be show with better timings in the Redemptionists Datatide guide.

[potent echo]

I assume you are taking shriek with this setup

[olive oar]

Killing one hundred Mobian Dregs in 11 seconds or less, Ragers in 8 seconds, Ravagers in about 12, I'm remembering these timings in my head, it may differ, but they are consistent and way better.

Nope, Scryer's Gaze and Warp Syphon.

100% Scryer's Uptime, gaze provides the crit chance, then I can take Blazing Spirit and the triple attack blessing and still have 40%+ crit chance

[potent echo]

Lmb spam or channeled?

Or channeled spam

[olive oar]

Channeled, wide blast, so you don't want to have low Blast Radius, this way each critical applies 6 soulblaze stacks in each crit.

Most commom scenario, shot a critical hit, applies the 6 stacks, survivors get 9 stacks because of perilous, steam roll from there.

[potent echo]

Psykers here don't like PC

Especially without shriek

[olive oar]

https://youtu.be/j10c8JSnvlo
This is a solo game that happened because nobody joined the room, don't know why.

[potent echo]

BlazingSp 40% and that's with SG

In my mind if you fired a crit voidstrike into a clump of elites you already won

I don't really care if everything dies for free after that

[olive oar]

Here's the problem, you're picturing the encounter as a singular fight, each encounter happens in waves and packets, some with more elites and some with less elites, having Blazing Spirit is like having "virtual extra cleave" because it enables you to deal splash damage to a huge amount of enemies. Whatever the type.

[potent echo]

Im mainly worried about spikes that ends game

Like 20 ragers after a drop and other sus things

Plus bosses

[olive oar]

So the ones you hit start to fall, but the new ones that arrive will get soulblaze stacks and start in a non-zero position, thus making the general encounter easier.

If the 20 ragers are in a room, it will be super easy with this setup.

[potent echo]

Perhaps

[olive oar]

Because you don't have to hit all 20 of them, that's the plus thing.

[potent echo]

You are trading like 20% crit chance for your snowball setup

Honestly with 20 ragers I might say even PC alone is enough to snowball

[olive oar]

Nope, I already have 20% because of Scryer's. I'm increasing my damage because of this setup. Remember the Datatide tests, this build can, consistently, beat the times on that spreadsheet every time, with ease. I'm dealing far better damage.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a16d8e16-c437-480a-a82b-081dcce4cb53/hellblaze-slinger
This build is tuned to Auric, if went to Havoc would remove In Fire Reborn and put it into Empathic Evasion.

[wind wave]

have you tested it in havoc?

[potent echo]

My true aim synergy

Rip

[wind wave]

it looks like a cool build but I'd be worried about this too

[potent echo]

Even the sword has blazing spirit lol

[wind wave]

I just saw that

[potent echo]

I'm unstable Andy for the boss damage

I value boss damage too much

Dopamine

Big stab

[wind wave]

fr

[olive oar]

It can't have it all. With boss you want to crit with staff first then get two more crits with the sword, then you can go back to fling charged attacks.

It has ok damage, but you won't survive alone against bosses.

But here's the main thing, it either excels at single target damage with Disrupt Destiny and the normal build, or... excels at 95% of the enemies of the game, but is weak against bosses.

[potent echo]

Why would you use voidstrike against bosses

It's so suboptimal compared to big sword

[rich spindle]

TAScalde is the greatest mind in the darktide community

he created the force great sword blazing spirit build which destroys auric

[cosmic cobalt]

you know what else destroy auric?

[olive oar]

This is not the point of what I'm talking, I use that because I like to use it, and it works fairly well. But that would be a discussion for another day.

[olive oar]

Because it's not just you and the boss, the boss moves, there are more enemies, and shooting is free, if the boss is near you, of course you'll switch to melee, but the triple critical from the staff don't fall much behind in damage potential.

The main thing when we talk about these encounters in this game is that we never face one thing alone.

[rich spindle]

this is the breakthrough of the century

[wind wave]

I think testing it in high havoc would maybe help what youre saying instead of auric tbh

[potent echo]

In Auric's boss melt so fast I don't know if tickling it from behind with a voidstrike does much

[wind wave]

right

[potent echo]

And if you have an FGS you are the bosskiller so you better get in there to solve the problem for your team

Take aggro by doing real damage

[wind wave]

I'm not even hating on the build it's just weird to be like "breakthrough incoming" then say "yeah tested it in auric"

[olive oar]

What's the objective in Havoc? deal more damage? Am I right? In the Datatide tests, I get far better times than any other setup could have given me. Like, this has the best DPS in possible, and Yeah, in Havoc, but I don't keep recording my games all the time. I don't have a team and where I live it's hard to get teams.

[potent echo]

Yesnt

[wind wave]

like even comparing it to a braindead uncanny flame build, youre constantly outputting damage via left click, blaze stacks, rupture, you have stagger etc

[potent echo]

Havocs are difficult to get into it's fine if the build isn't tested in havoc but everything is auric viable

[olive oar]

You're not understanding, my tests have been in Havoc 40. I defeat the Tests in havoc 40 mode. I just don't like playing Havoc.

Also, as I'm saying this outputs more damage than anything else that you could conjure up with this staff. This is the point. This build deals more damage with this staff than any other build that uses it.

[wind wave]

you just now said that though and posted a video of the build in auric

like I said, I'm not hating the build, I'd just wanna see it in 40s

[olive oar]

I said about the Datatide tests in my posts above.

Remember when one regular guy discover a glitch unknown in the speedrun community? Like, I'm a regular guy that is smart enough to understand the intricacies of the game to see that there's inherent value into this. I'm trying to share this knowledge and say.
Hey you diehard Havoc enjoyers, look at this setup, the STAFF will become much better if you use this.
You can change the melee weapon, you can change the trinkets, you can change the damage resistance, be my guest.
All I'm saying is that this staff is better with Blazing Spirit, it will improve your game a lot.

[potent echo]

Any footage of the tests

[olive oar]

I don't have for the staff, but tomorrow, as my local time is 1 am, I'll post here. Or better, can it be screen shots with the timer?

[potent echo]

If you want to be the speedrun tech guy isn't the bare minimum like video evidence

[olive oar]

I know, I'll post it without editing.

[rich spindle]

you should post clips from a real game

where blazing spirit pops off

[potent echo]

This chat isn't going anywhere

We can wait

[rich spindle]

listen and learn

an innovator is speaking

[wind wave]

I feel like theres a reason builds are shown in havoc and not a controlled testing mod but idk

[olive oar]

Posting it, two minutes

[olive oar]

This won't help as well, it can kill this much is verifiable from just counting the damage. Havoc is player skill and adaptation to the mode. I don't like the mode and have no party as well.

[rich spindle]

there should be a system to find a party

[olive oar]

https://youtu.be/-0OcfHP3IrA

The datatide tests, since this is raw footage random chance and mishaps may apply.
Remember that the horde shown in the video is a Dreg Horde, so it sums to about 90k health, unlike the walkers that have 2.5 times less life.
Damage values have a bug in the scoreboard in solo mode, the upper total show correct damage total, I guess, lower ranged damage total does not count one hit kills.

[fathom adder]

How can it be a party finder if there are no parties

[olive oar]

Specially in Brazil, I had a few parties that used to play havoc, I lost them all to Helldivers. hahahaha
I'm a sole survivor.

[crisp ether]

I like parties.

[crisp ether]

Sorry for their loss.

It must be strenuous being a Helldivers 2 fan in the big 26

[frozen loom]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-gif-6063948

[rich spindle]

im gonna be honest man. youre just spamming enemies packed in a narrow hallway, it doesnt mean much. lots of people have played blazing spirit voidstrike before as well

[crisp ether]

You know, funny thing is I genuinely like BS Voidstrike. But I don't think it's really groundbreaking.

[rich spindle]

its fine and fun

[crisp ether]

Thing about this test is that it kinda does lean in favor of what Voidstrike is very good at, which is enclosed pathways. When you start to get into more open ground, that's when you start to realize the big issue with it.

Don't get me wrong. Usable. And a good psyker can certainly pull a lot of weight with it regardless of its faults. But there's a reason it's considered the worst staff and I don't think this build really rectifies anything about why that's the case.

[olive oar]

90% of the game is pathways, I see this issue, I thought abouth using Assail for this very reason, but it's manegeable. And the damage improvement on this build is worth this.

[cosmic cobalt]

what does ball staff even do

0 aoe

0 breakpoint

7 times surge didn't proc

[rich spindle]

shoots a bowling ball

for fun

[olive oar]

AOE is the blazing spirit effect. It deals a lot of damage,

[olive oar]

You mean 7 times there where no crits? It's not 100% crit.

[crisp ether]

"90%"

Are we playing the same game?

Cuz one match of Magistrati Oubliette will straight up disprove that number right there.

[olive oar]

The main issue is when shooters are scatered in medium range. Besides that this can shoot rapidly all the time.

[rich spindle]

this isnt new, basically

[olive oar]

Look, what I had to show is shown, this setup is faster than any registered time on Reginald's https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FU5ol4MED3foGHx8iyZ45_RijilUC1p9sxI32FJXhPI/edit?gid=43579999#gid=43579999

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean its reginald

[crisp ether]

Can I make a bit of a take here?

I don't think that preset testing like this really proves the mettle of anything.

[rich spindle]

people that play havoc dont care about killing enemies in the narrowest hallway of the easiest map

[crisp ether]

There are so many variables in runs with these games that testing simply cannot account for that I can't objectively see any real merit out of testing like this, even out of someone like Reginald.

Okay lemme rephrase.

There is merit. But the merit is base level at best.

[olive oar]

You just dismiss the damage as if it was trivial, compared to any other Voidstrike staff build, this makes the most damage in most situations. This won't reinvent the staff and become the new meta.

[crisp ether]

I don't. The damage is good. But it's not just about the damage.

[rich spindle]

everyone already knows soulblaze is good against dense enemies in a hallway lol

[olive oar]

But I beckon you guys to give it a try, if you just want to spice it up, I think this build is worth to be listed in the Psyker's Guide that is here and that it will probably be a better version of this staff's builds.

[cosmic cobalt]

sb is good against everything

[rich spindle]

weve already tried it

[crisp ether]

I want to iterate. I have used a build exactly like this. I know how it plays. I know what it's good at and what it's not good at. My point is that it's not saying anything that people already don't know here.

[potent echo]

I remember bringing up hallways like the first thing ever

[olive oar]

Extrapolate the results, it's not about only what you see.

[rich spindle]

?

[potent echo]

Said magistrate yea it's so over

[crisp ether]

Magistrati is straight up a hard counter to VS in some areas 😭

The area after the tunnel is BRUTAL

[potent echo]

90% of sewer tunnels don't matter if you lose at the actual hard parts

[olive oar]

This works pretty well in magistrati, I don't see the issue. Specially with the infinite range of the staff

[potent echo]

And then your team gets mogged by boss and you can't help

Or dual captains

[crisp ether]

I mean if I recall

Build did have FGS

So it's not like, hopeless for bossing.

[potent echo]

If he is talking about infinite range, I think it's like you stay ontop before the drop after the sewers

Stand there and play turret

[cosmic cobalt]

fgs without the +10% attack speed genuinely feel like you're moving in slow motion

[potent echo]

Useless against any boss spawn there that will absolutely rock the team

[deft stump]

Don't remind me about the drop down tunnel. Like... Run ender.

[potent echo]

The tunnel is still okay with VS

[rich spindle]

its not useless its just a mid build that many people have played before lol

[potent echo]

Is the part after the tunnel

You get like 10 billion ambient crushers on 2nd level

[deft stump]

Also another run ender. Get a silent Pogryn. Question why half the team is dead.

[potent echo]

Water fall with ranged shooters

Boss that pushes people off the edge

So many things lol

[rich spindle]

there are so few crushers now it kinda sucks

[potent echo]

Replace with bulwarks

[rich spindle]

what an awesome change

[potent echo]

If someone aggroed the 2nd floor it's kinda over

[deft stump]

Dunno if better or worse. Takes more but you can't hit them half the time.

[potent echo]

With boss spawn

[crisp ether]

I like the change but too little was adjusted along side it I think.

Uncanny was a good start but there's a lot more that needs to be done to compensate for a change like that.

[rich spindle]

it was too much of a crusher reduction to me

theres like no melee pressure anymore

[olive oar]

Like this tried and true Havoc 40 build is really similar to mine, but uses the voidblast instead. https://youtu.be/qMeyUIsY9Ik from Rawk
I think my version is slighty better.

[crisp ether]

Voidblast, is a completely different beast from Voidstrike.

[rich spindle]

xD

[potent echo]

Voidblast is good because infinite stagger along with BS

Also infinite cleave

[crisp ether]

You can't really compare the two.

[potent echo]

Yea that's broken in a gamemode with density

[crisp ether]

It's not even about it being objectively better but just that it's just a fundamentally different weapon.

To note, I mostly run Scrier's Trauma with knife in havoc if I'm playing Psyker

[olive oar]

Try the setup and see. The game has not been completely solved so that by just batting an eye you can know that.
Yeah, there's differences and downsides, but there's a lot of advantages to this setup. So please, this is the only thing I'm asking, help me show this.

[rich spindle]

we already have

brother

[crisp ether]

Dude.

[rich spindle]

many people have played with this

its not new

[potent echo]

Did ainz ever run this in one of his videos

[crisp ether]

We're not saying it's bad by any means. It's more that we know what it's about already.

[olive oar]

In the guide it's markes as the worst blessing for this staff, the blazing spirt. Where it's one of the best, or the best one for this staff, in this setup.

[rich spindle]

in the psykanium hallway yes

😂

[potent echo]

Conga line aah

[crisp ether]

You're telling me to try it but, I already have tried it.

There's a reason I know what I do about it.

[olive oar]

It does not need that. The fact that you guys keep spaming this is proof of that.

[potent echo]

I never touched this datatide thing but does it spawn like 10-20 dreg stalkers along with whatever elite clumpn

[rich spindle]

I think there may be a language barrier here

[olive oar]

That is just to show havoc damage killing time potential.

[potent echo]

But killing time isn't the answer to havoc

If it is everyone can clear it with a "correct" build

[rich spindle]

ok im gonna tell him for the 5th time we already know the damage potential of soulblaze in a hallway

[deft stump]

Infinite snowballing?

[olive oar]

Extrapolate, I'm not talking about hallways.

[deft stump]

I think they just want you to record a H40 win with scoreboard.

Record, show build before, join pub party, then see how well it goes.

[olive oar]

I can't, I don't play Havoc anymore, don't have a party, and it will just be a measure of my ability, not of what the build can do.

[rich spindle]

Did you read the posts where we said we already played this in h40

[olive oar]

What I can show now is only this: Solo with bots clear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEcWavUOMy8
Attempt solo at high intensity: https://studio.youtube.com/video/ou0KHbWQooY/edit

[olive oar]

If this is true, why would be blazing spirit not a recommended blessing for any of the builds listed for this staff?

[rich spindle]

im being trolled

[frozen loom]

i wouldn't be surprised

[cosmic cobalt]

because other staff can do almost the same thing as balls and can do it better

[deft stump]

Because blazing is a bad meme from like the start.

[olive oar]

So, if any of you that would like to help and check this out, truly. Please run it and talk back. Gotta go sleep. See yeah, and sorry for being abnoxious.

[cosmic cobalt]

the only thing ball have is range really

[deft stump]

Like, the stack cap on it is low enough it does nothing.

[cosmic cobalt]

but that doesn't matter in havoc because you have other people to deal with it

[rich spindle]

he keeps ignoring every message

that says we have already played it

incredible

[crisp ether]

I think Blazing on Voidblast is p.good

But that's cuz the AoE actually enables some consistent snowballing.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah because its voidblast

[olive oar]

I don't, because I can't believe that you tried this specific setup, or similar enough, and say that it's garbage.

[rich spindle]

its not garbage

[crisp ether]

oh brother

[rich spindle]

its mid

[crisp ether]

NO ONE SAID IT'S GARBAGE

[rich spindle]

its underwhelming

[deft stump]

Think rending flurry feels better. But its Voidblast, you can bully things to the floor consistently if you don't have 300 ping.

[rich spindle]

its average

[crisp ether]

WE'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT

[cosmic cobalt]

sb help clear up shit that the initial blast doesn't kill

it's very good compare to brittleness

[rich spindle]

we need portugese translator

[cosmic cobalt]

even better now because they fucking increase sb adm

💀

[olive oar]

Blaze on this staff allows for instant applying 6 stacks, that if any special or elite is near goes to 9, it's like small Shouts, that delivers 3000 damage and blaze.

[rich spindle]

yeah were being trolled

he got us

[olive oar]

C'mon.

[rich spindle]

yes

[olive oar]

So I'm counting on you to check this out. bye again.

[rich spindle]

already did

bye

[deft stump]

Pros and cons, depends on what feels better to one. Those two builds are known to be good on situation.

[dire wharf]

I miss the event

[cosmic cobalt]

it just you don't really need the brittleness + it stagger the shit out of crusher anyway

[olive oar]

Just before going, this build trivialized the event, it wasn't even fun.

[cosmic cobalt]

but now brittleness is even worse because there legit zero crusher

[potent echo]

I mean I can see why it seems so strong

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah because mauler and scab rager base armor is flak

not because vsbs is good

[potent echo]

Just dumping into the crushers that are aggroed on a bot that's downed

And everything around dies

Wow

[deft stump]

That is luck based as well. I still get waves of crushers.

The only difference is, instead of 8-14, it's 4-6 per wave.

[cosmic cobalt]

so ZERO

also aforementioned stagger

[rich spindle]

that guy was made in a lab to perfectly troll me

[cosmic cobalt]

LMAO

[rich spindle]

he got me so good

[potent echo]

Is that footage even auric?

What even is this

Solo boss no ambient no patrol no specials

[rich spindle]

I told you

its the perfect bait

[potent echo]

It's true

It's modded nonsense

[crisp ether]

You're running psyker with Perilous Combustion on a modifier that's literally chock ful of elites.

That was gonna happen regardless.

[rich spindle]

hes gone

[potent echo]

Go watch that video he posted lol I'm pretty sure something is not right

[rich spindle]

weve lost

he won

I dont even know what auric looks like now so idk if its real

[potent echo]

I played for funzies yesterday and it was shatting out like 8 specials every 10 seconds

Granted that was STG

And with 4 human players

His footage I've seen nary a trapper or a hound

[deft stump]

That's the sus part. I would expect up to 3 of each of them at once.

[potent echo]

"no one joined my game for some reason, it's Helldivers I tell you"

[rich spindle]

He got me a while back too when he posted a blazing spirit fgs build with footage of him slowly walking forward killing stuff in archivum hallways

my kryptonite

[potent echo]

Also idk if auric is that easy but stalkers were hitting him for like 5 toughness damage

Is auric that easy

[rich spindle]

I think it is

[potent echo]

I'll agree with that part

[deft stump]

But that is normal depending on server. After FS broke private mode toggle, had to do pub games, spent the night duoing expeditions.

And that duo was in my party.

[potent echo]

[deft stump]

You can't quickplay with private off in expeditions, and you cannot select missions with private on.

So, reverse of the normal board and they never tested it. Happened after the hotfix.

Game mode is dead unless you get lucky in picking the currently populated node by random.

[cosmic cobalt]

that tend to happen when your gamemode is broken and give you literally nothing

[potent echo]

They keep fragmenting the playerbase

I'm so fascinated by the modded footage

Almost went down to 3 scab shooters

[dire wharf]

Whats the difference between damnation and auric?

[potent echo]

Idk but I'm pretty sure damnation has more spawns than whatever he was showing

[cosmic cobalt]

one act like a sleeping pill

[crisp ether]

Auric is basically constant High Intensity modifier

[cosmic cobalt]

auric is damnation with histg

[spice aurora]

Do low intensity missions exist still

[potent echo]

No

Not in auric

I guess blackout is low intensity

[wind wave]

wew so glad I came back to more of that guy

my headcanon is that hes being paid by fatshark to peddle voidstaff builds

[wind wave]

priceless that within the first 40 seconds hes face tanking 3 reapers and like 4 gunners, builds just that good ig

[potent echo]

Did you see the entire vid not a single dog or trapper showed up

(I only watched like 20% of it)

[wind wave]

do you think I watched the whole thing?

[potent echo]

No but the vibes were immaculate

[wind wave]

TRUE

[potent echo]

Truly destroying auric

Nothing could touch him

Except 3 scab shooters at 24min

He had to drop the medpack

Damn, got hands

[wind wave]

I mean if you think about it, the reasoning is kinda solid

why build something for havoc if you never play havoc

[potent echo]

Him choosing to use VS against the boss when he has FGS against a boss with zero specials and zero adds is certainly a choice

[wind wave]

you just havent been innovated yet

[potent echo]

True

I just need to go into the game files to disable ambient spawns

Typical rookie mistake from me

[wind wave]

yeah dont let it happen again either

on a serious note, flame/DS feels almost exactly the same to me

[potent echo]

No more crusher packs rip

[wind wave]

wish I could tell fatshark how much I love their changes

https://tenor.com/view/thankyou-jonah-and-alex-gif-10236473324613230715

okay cool yeah just do that idc anymore

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/stand-proud-gray-role-discord-role-discord-sukuna-gif-1277038297264023502

[wind wave]

[hallow vector]

does rotten armor being infested also mean purg is stronger against it

[frozen loom]

that wasn't his first time?

[quartz barn]

Yes because higher adm

[frozen loom]

anywho, would deimos be better as the melee for purg now or is it still mk4 duel? probably not FGS no?

[dire wharf]

FGS supremacy

[left walrus]

for the blaze force sword, is taking uncanny strikes worth it? been debating on it

debating on slaughterer and uncanny as a combo

[hallow vector]

ehh

[rich spindle]

its ok

if ur in auric I think theres still enough crushers

[rigid sky]

Obscurus is also an option

[icy breach]

Its not about building for havoc
If a build can withstand & thrive in havoc it will do the same on auric & below
Simple

Havoc (40 to be precise) is in that case an indicator of a good build

[wind spruce]

wistand

[loud girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349378242703917136/1503741891433205850/InShot_20230116_154652778.mp4?ex=6a051d05&is=6a03cb85&hm=ca7cd04e8cfeee08d8056a816bd8c3da77b8befacb539b517b2f3e55a120ada6&

[urban meteor]

When I'm trying to channel some Warp and Nurgle puts furry hentai in my head

[granite kelp]

yiff*

[kind jay]

Ferals of the Warp

[granite kelp]

[royal falcon]

the idea of nurgle and hentai in the same sentence

https://tenor.com/view/cynthia-erivo-the-concept-stantwt-the-concept-of-thinking-gif-15838544778984017772

(I fucking hate it)

[heady maple]

Well decay is a form of life, and we all know how life is made 🥰

[royal falcon]

I want to explode you with my mind

[thorn cedar]

through the breath of god and his clay

sorry, His clay

whatever i dont actually beleive in anything just kill us all already

[deft stump]

Just have someone who okays assisted ending of life.

[urban meteor]

Forgot which chaos guy likes porn

But surely one of them does

[royal falcon]

oh you know probably the one strongly associated with LUST

[jovial juniper]

Oh you know

Slaneesh

Slanny for the intimates

The CEO of perfection

[wind wave]

it’s not about building for havoc but you just said a good build performs in havoc 40

so that would be building for havoc

did that one guy come back yet

[icy breach]

The idea of it is this;
If a build performs in havoc 40 well then its a good build no matter the difficulty you play on
There are also builds that perform in auric & below & are good but in havoc may be lacking here & there
In the end; its not ‚building for havoc’ as you said but ‚if it performs in havoc its 100% true that its good’

[wind wave]

well do I have the build for you then

[icy breach]

Just like arachnea family of species & spiders; Daddy long-legs belongs to arachnea family but it is not a spider
Hope you understand

[thorn cedar]

I still don't understand.

[wind wave]

nobody does I think that’s the point

[wispy pumice]

every channel got the six lurkers who main every class

[icy breach]

Why exacly six

[wind wave]

bro counted, simple as

[deft stump]

Perfection of on bed play?

[jovial juniper]

Technically yes but not exclusively that

[wind spruce]

Nerd shit

[deft stump]

But that is the fun part. Two gals, one bed, intimate touches and an entire night between the both of them.

[icy breach]

Go to zealot chat with this shit

[jovial juniper]

No no

[wind spruce]

Finally got my penance armour

2500 true level kekw

[jovial juniper]

It's fine here too

[wind spruce]

shows how much i give a shit about penances

[kind jay]

im nearing 2400 and i dont even have malleus

hop on, smash qp, refuse to elaborate, leave

[deft stump]

Rejected. I'm not even going into details.

[jovial juniper]

Karien is afraid of the real real freaks

🗣️

[deft stump]

I'll stick with Vet mains and Psyker mains.

[maiden saffron]

i need 1 good reason to play psy

[thorn cedar]

you can twist their balls with your mind

[kind jay]

you can also twist your own balls with your mind

[thorn cedar]

not nearly as recommended

[kind jay]

i only think about whether i could, not whether i should

[deft stump]

BOOM!

[maiden saffron]

u got me

[deft stump]

Well, if you don't mind trauma. It's literally pocket booms.

[maiden saffron]

mind trauma..

[deft stump]

VoidBlast.

[maiden saffron]

boom.

[kind jay]

when you boom and zola/rannick question their life choices

[maiden saffron]

the music

peak

[kind jay]

best mod in the game

[rancid geyser]

the only ones that matter 🙂

[wraith sphinx]

gangnam style in 2026

peak 🥲

[clear stag]

Lmaoo

[olive oar]

The level I showed was I waiting for someone to enter an Auric Maelstrom modifiers D-I-IV-IX-G.
Extra specialists, snipers, barrels and improved blitz.
In the bridge there was 17 specials/elites in the first skirmish.
When I enter the room after the bridge, there was about 51 elites/specialists killed.
In the main room, before falling to the floor below after the bridge, 63 elites/specialists kill. I won't count the next, but I'll take the tally both from when I was downed and rescued and from the end screen that removes the bot tally.
When I was downed 90 elites + 19 from bots
67 specials + 33 from bots (Bot killing rate is higher because of the effect from blazing spirit)
When I was killed the last tally was 97 elites + 89 specials.
Normal density in auric games is 1 special for 4 elites, but since this was a mode with extra elite spawn this was to be expected.
Had three big battle segments and failed on the fourth that required a puzzle, game seems ok.
Killed 552 enemies total and if I extrapolate the bot total to the end it would be count to about 207 extra enemies. To a grand total of +-709 enemies.
What is to be suspicious about a live server game.
Also you can see that the game is live because the scoreboard don't bug out, when playing solo the lower scoreboard does not correctly count the damage value of one hit kills into the head.

[frail oar]

https://tenor.com/view/nickyoung-huh-what-seriously-gif-5064341

[olive oar]

time stamps: 1:39 trapper and hound
2:04 hound killed in mist
2:20 bot killed trapper
3:16 trapper - can't even see it
3:21 two dogs and bot got third
4:23 two hounds
4:43 trapper in mist
5:07 dog
5:33 two dogs
6:34 trapper
7:32 dog
7:50 trapper
7:57 trapper
8:00 trapper
8:11 dog and trapper
8:28 dog
8:40 trapper
And so on and forth. like this was a special specialist mission, this had 4 times the normal density of specialists in the game.

[frail oar]

Why are you doing this

[crisp ether]

They are a Voidstrike staff salesperson

[olive oar]

This is a wrong take on how difficulty affects gameplay and enemy behaviour in this game.
Let us take the example of Empathic Evasion vs Just a Dream, in lower difficulties just a dream will give you a much greater no matter what else you take with you as gunfire isn't as menacing, so having higher resistance is always better to have than having a second of invulnerability to ranged.
On Havoc this logic inverts or compliment, depending on your view of this case, Empathic Evasion immunity provides a far better safety because no amount of damage reduction will mitigate gun fire, in a mode where it will anihilate you if you get caught off guard.
And some of this applies to damage nodes as well. Since breakpoints in lower difficulties are smaller, not going for damage 100% of the time won't hurt your build and will provide either extra safety or amenity. When was the last build that you saw that could fit Warp Speed on it? It's amazing, but on Havoc it bears a heavy cost on most builds. That's why you won't see it there, although it is an amazing complimentary talent.

[marble crater]

There is a German meme for this, but I don't want to get banned

[icy breach]

best thing is; i never use Just a Dream to begin with
Breakpoints are nice but not end all be all for build making - after all you're not playing a single player game; you're playing a team based game

[wind spruce]

Classic father phallis moment

(Idk what i mean by that)

[icy breach]

means dickhead

[frail oar]

Someone turn this into a copypasta plz

[rich spindle]

@olive oar teach us the ways of blazing spirit force greatsword

We thirst for knowledge

[icy breach]

Phallus more like; fits better

[wind spruce]

@steel flame your moment has arrived

[rich spindle]

I don’t want to hear from false prophets

Only the true messiah

[wind spruce]

Zazy does a freakish amount of damage with his deranged no keystone fgs blazing spirit build

But he is both a dumbass and a god

[rich spindle]

No keystone is actually interesting

[olive oar]

Funny, claim one thing, then take the claim by changing the object, then say that it wasn't a problem to begin with.

[olive oar]

You're not ready for this topic.

[rich spindle]

I AM SIR

PLEASE

[fathom adder]

"my potions are too strong for you"

[olive oar]

In this particular build that is just a remnant of another build. So I ended using blazing spirit in the sword anyway, but it does help when bosses get into melee range, so I left it there.
Gotta go make some coffe. See yah.

[rich spindle]

You leave me yearning for more master…

[thorn cedar]

what the fuck was any of that

[jovial juniper]

Idk

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/zazys-blazing-spirit-greatsword-unga-bunga-experience

[rich spindle]

The divine teachings of the messiah

Take heed

[frail oar]

Notice me senpai plz

[rich spindle]

Ah it’s shriek :/

[crisp ether]

I mean blazing spirit FGS is kinda based

[frail oar]

Its contagious. Not long now before its "wall of text enjoyer"

[crisp ether]

If fatshark weren't COWARDS, the beam would do soulblaze too

[rich spindle]

First thing I did w the sword was try the crit wave and blazing spirit

[crisp ether]

Actually same lmfaooo

I was beyond disappointed.

[rich spindle]

It seemed so obvious

Swedish baiters

[crisp ether]

Completely gaslit

[thorn cedar]

the crit wave does still kinda kick ass

i just dont know why it needs a cooldown??

what are we worried about with that

[crisp ether]

The same reason every perfect block blessing has a cooldown

"Balance"

[thorn cedar]

no the perfect block ones are reasonable, albeit not being able to refresh their duration sucks

crit wave is like

[rich spindle]

I’ve played with it a few games didn’t notice much of a difference in my slashes

[thorn cedar]

ok first of all you gotta build it up so it already has a cooldown

a naked crit slash aint shit

[crisp ether]

Right right. The cooldown isn't the issue

[wind spruce]

I remember someone saying that a crit special has less damage falloff but i never bothered testing it

[thorn cedar]

and speaking frankly most stuff was already gonna die anyway

[crisp ether]

It's the refreshing

[thorn cedar]

not even less just none

[crisp ether]

Tbf everything dies anyway so

[thorn cedar]

been a while since i checked though

[rich spindle]

Oh really….?

[thorn cedar]

the damage goes far

[rich spindle]

Interesting if true

[thorn cedar]

but why cooldown

[rich spindle]

Ike tf2 crockets

[wind spruce]

At max charge, sure

[thorn cedar]

lemme go check this again

<- has loading screens like some fucken rube

[rich spindle]

I max charge when there’s a mauler crusher bulwark pack, crit would help there

I don’t remember the damage boost being that crazy tho

[wind spruce]

I max charge when i have max charge

[rich spindle]

True

[thorn cedar]

the damage boost is 30% finesse

which is ..... okay

[rich spindle]

When I have max charge I get interrupted by capt shield and lose it all

[thorn cedar]

critless slice

waaay at the back i clip the scab stalker

363 full charge

naked tree

oh i see my error

one of these has +Flak

[wind spruce]

Noob tester alert

[thorn cedar]

i cant time my print screen correctly lmao

its not no damage fall of

but it does extend it

maybe an extra 5-8m~?

yea thats seems about it

or else its literally no difference

[rich spindle]

😔

[steel flame]

ayo, sorry im late

[frail oar]

Is that the special powder icon from drg?

[steel flame]

its the rj250 pgl rocket jump icon

[steel flame]

waswrong with shriek 😛

oh dat right, everyone scared of not using gaze

[frail oar]

DANG SO CLOSE

[rich spindle]

I thought u were getting it to work w just blazing and pc

[steel flame]

you get real good fire spread with sword, but i like big numbers and adding shriek on top of that make bigger numbers

[thorn cedar]

is this some kind of math?

[steel flame]

no i just like more soul blaze stacks

plus sword slice spam feeds into shriek really hard since you get instant full peril to shout with

[kind jay]

i can get behind that philosophy

jacking off your big sword and then screaming is peak gameplay tbh

[thorn cedar]

ur screaming, flaming bluegasm

[barren arrow]

@rapid goblet Not the crusher, it's the shotgun that doesn't use generic brittle.

Shotty applies 25% brittle instantly, does not go higher than 25, but applies separate to the typical 40% brittle cap. Like penetrating flame as someone else said. 60% brittleness be going hard on bosses, but I still run the duckbill shotty for the silly spread.

[steel flame]

@wind spruce speaking of ludicrous damage, its been a hot minute since ive ratio'd a team this badly with the build

[wind spruce]

This is just bullying

[dire wharf]

@ripe obsidian

[indigo thunder]

Do Scrier's Gaze and Trauma mesh well?

[verbal thistle]

yeah

its damage and crit chance + with warp unbound its unlimited casting for 10 sec

[thorn cedar]

it only lacks headshot bonus synergy but that's okay

[verbal thistle]

left click

smh

[thorn cedar]

wtf who has left click still bound as Psyker smh

leave melee to the blunts

[urban meteor]

Someone got to see these damn AIs

they don't save you

Maybe it's intentional

conditioning me to just believe I don't have a team to cooperate with, in the coop game I bought

[kind jay]

something def changed recently cause they used to try to rez in combat but now they never do unless the room is empty

[crisp ether]

I run it in havoc

Funny snowball antics

[left walrus]

is wildfire actually bugged?

been told this a few times that it only gives 1 stack of soulblaze

[jovial juniper]

Intentional

If dying target has 4 or more stacks
It spreads 1 stack to 4 targets around it

Etc

[steel flame]

I have a love hate relationship with wildfire. I love using it in game, but I hate every time it's brought up in psyker chat cause it gives me a goddam migraine

[jovial juniper]

Schrodinger's performance

[digital elbow]

what range weapons should I use with the greatsword

[olive oar]

Wild Fire enjoyer here as well. Yeah, migraine is a mild term to say the least.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-power-guns-gun-fight-shooting-gif-12486713493146610858

The laser pistol

[olive oar]

Zarona Combat Shotgun

Flechette and Scattershot, use the special shell mostly.

[steel flame]

Laspistol goes very hard with gs.

Has more mobility, stupid high crit chance let's you abuse empathic evasion to get in, even across large rooms or just deal with gunner spam, and it has great and very safe monster damage

[olive oar]

Made my first solo solo auric run with this combination. Greatsword, Zarona Combat Shotgun. Rectangular shield before last buff, and used Blazing Spirit as well.

[digital elbow]

i just realized that the Zarona and Accatran have the same model, although with different addons

[olive oar]

Laspistol is better, yeah, but I enjoy variety, that's why I use the shotgun and spread the word. This is one of my main gripes with most manuals shared here, they suggest the most innefective blessings posible for the Zarona Combat Shotgun.

Also an important note on the Zarona CS, I think it's the only ranged weapon that has this behaviour. The normal shot when ADS is way stronger than when hip firing. It has a totally different profile, so when going for single targets if you're not ADS you're wasting bullets.

[steel flame]

i believe helbore also does this

[olive oar]

But it has charged shots, it's to be expected that the damage profile is different, on a shotgun it's nuts.

[steel flame]

i think the ads on helbor has different damage

its wierd

without charge

[fathom adder]

Wildfire is meta, dogshit, broken (non-functional), and broken (works better than intended)

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-gif-27042841

[spice aurora]

are there any good voidstrike staff or fgs builds that use soulblaze

[rich spindle]

no one has dont that yet, we need to investigate

IM PLACING A 1,000,000 DOLLAR BOUNTY

[olive oar]

hahaahah

[olive oar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a16d8e16-c437-480a-a82b-081dcce4cb53/hellblaze-slinger

[jovial juniper]

So like

What's the point of this

[steel flame]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/zazys-blazing-spirit-greatsword-unga-bunga-experience?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[spice aurora]

itried running in havoc but I got kicked?

[jovial juniper]

Maybe because it's bad

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-tweaking-lag-funny-ishowspeed-tweaking-gif-4669442869668719763

[steel flame]

It doesn't look meta so people that have the mods to look at builds will kick you

[jovial juniper]

Y'all intentionally not killing the targets in 1 hit

What are you?
Arbites?

[spice aurora]

other h40 teams: giga meta
my team:
one person rank 7
other not sure where dukane is

[olive oar]

So I guess any Voidstrike would get you not to be accepted, as it's not meta anyway.

[radiant frigate]

my guess is you just need to put on your flashiest titles and frames

[radiant frigate]

to make shriek but worse in every way

or bootleg blaze trauma

[quick tulip]

I never take off my twins secret bells one

[radiant frigate]

i never put any of the fancy ones on because i think they look extremely silly

i'm also not good enough to solo havoc so i usually do not bother

[olive oar]

Oh, you're talking about my build?

[jovial juniper]

Idk if I should be impressed or disgusted

Actually you picked up Reality Anchor

So disgusted it is

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-twirling-hot-dog-sausage-spunkey-gif-4134328672612664457

And

I just noticed you don't have Warp Rider

What are you doing 😭

[radiant frigate]

HUUUUH

[crisp ether]

I'm sorry

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[jovial juniper]

Are you trying to keep the enemies alive?

[crisp ether]

What?

[jovial juniper]

What are you?
Arbites?

[olive oar]

Let us fancy that, I take precognition instead. This will make my peril far harder to manage, as it will increase far faster, this build requires Scryer's Gaze to be active so that it enjoys not only its damage buffs but also the critical chance buff.

This very combination, with Soulblaze make me kill faster. Much faster than it otherwise would.

[crisp ether]

Why would you not take

Warp rider

On a scriers build

[jovial juniper]

Just kill the target dawg

[crisp ether]

I'm so confused.

[jovial juniper]

😭

You're intentionally making bad choices to try and justify blazing spirit

🥀

[olive oar]

It increases damage by 2% by 10% of peril, but in this build I want to keep peril as low as possible. Because I want to stay in SG as long as possible.

how much damage 6 stacks of blazing spirit do?

[crisp ether]

Brother. You're inevitably going to rise to 100% anyway. That is just a fundamental part of how Scrier's work. You might as well be running BCoB if that's your angle.

[olive oar]

Is it better than a usually 18% increase of damage, or is its damage worse than an 18% increase.

[olive oar]

When it reaches 100% I've lost the base 10% extra damage from SG, and 10% weakspot and 20% Toughness damage resistance and 20% crit chance. I don't want that, I need to stay with it active all the time.

[thorn cedar]

Transfer Peril would do much better than BCoB for the staff but you'd have to pass something up in the blessings department.

[radiant frigate]

you're trying very very hard to remake venting shriek in the most obscure way ever

[olive oar]

Building this way I can improve my SG uptime by a lot.

[rancid geyser]

you are going to be benefiting from it for most of the game at 50% +

[crisp ether]

You can't.

[rancid geyser]

2% at 10 is a bad argument when you will be above that for a majority of a run

[crisp ether]

Scrier's inevitably reaches a point where the peril gain is too much to offset.

[olive oar]

Having SG active is a flat 10% damage increase.

[radiant frigate]

not fucking yourself over by skipping warp rider is a bigger increase

[rancid geyser]

which also gives you a damage buff when lingering which will stack on top of warp rider

[crisp ether]

Not only that but given how Gaze works currently

If you're not having enough uptime where you can just cast it very quickly after the cast ends, there's a serious problem already.

[radiant frigate]

like what's the play here
do you stack all the warp resist and quell your problems away to scry forever

[olive oar]

This is a horde game, having extra 20% damage into a single target is better than being able to deal about 1000 damage to all targets in the vicinity of the target?

[rancid geyser]

it only takes 1-2 taps to get to 5 stacks before it runs out, and at 8 you can loop it easily before it even runs out

[crisp ether]

Cuz Gaze can have near to 100% uptime just by overlapping casts

[jovial juniper]

I'd deal 6500+ damage to all the targets

[rancid geyser]

wrong reply

[jovial juniper]

But it's not going to be with your build

[radiant frigate]

and going for all these peril reductions and then skipping out on warp unbound is interesting to say the least

[jovial juniper]

But hey

At the end of the day

[olive oar]

Show me a test in datatide where you can get a time better than mine in most tests.

[jovial juniper]

It doesn't matter

[buoyant maple]

Where is that 1000+ damage from

[radiant frigate]

hopes and dreams

[jovial juniper]

Apparently from 6 stacks of Soulblaze

[radiant frigate]

and tiny soulblaze aoe from voidstrike

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

[rancid geyser]

playing to stay in scriers gaze is not the optimal way to use it

[buoyant maple]

Are u talking creature spawner’s trials?

[radiant frigate]

time of what

[rancid geyser]

you can play to stay in it a bit longer, but in most cases you are just losing out on dps the more you play to stay in it by quelling

especially if you are taking the finesse buff

[olive oar]

20% damage resistance, 10% extra damage, 20% extra crit chance (What enables this build to exist), 1% extra damage per second (that lingers).

[jovial juniper]

It's not a good build but hey
If it works FOR YOU
Keep it

Like

Actually keep it

💀

[buoyant maple]

I’m still just curious which trial u used

Is it a creature spawner trial

[olive oar]

30% finesse in the great sword is about an extra 17% damage increase when the thrust hit is a crit AND weakspot hit

[radiant frigate]

what about the "woe, 10+ crushers upon ye" trial of one's own design

[rancid geyser]

yes the buff is nice, but its what you would realistically have to do to keep it up for longer than 10-15 that is problematic

if a guy is in your face are you really going to quell so you can stay in SG?

[crisp ether]

I think there's nuance here. I think it's fine to do that if the build is made around it. It's definitely more viable than it was before it was changed to countdown during active buff time

But this build ain't that kinda build at all

[rancid geyser]

are you going to quell before trying to kill gunners aiming at you?

[olive oar]

4 crushers + 4 maulers, one where I get worse time but... it's still on par with the good weapons. about 40 seconds I was able to pull of.

[buoyant maple]

40s for 4 mauler + 4 crusher?

[radiant frigate]

i don't think there is nuance here
i was a bcob defender but it's honestly meh
the real answer to damage is "just keep up peril"

[rancid geyser]

If you want to play around being in scriers the best way in most cases is to loop it

[olive oar]

Check this high intensity auric attempt.
https://youtu.be/ou0KHbWQooY

[rancid geyser]

which requres killing

faster kills also just equates to more time in SG

[olive oar]

Current voidstrike record on metabuilds is 28 seconds.

[buoyant maple]

What trial is this I’m still a bit confused

[radiant frigate]

and whose record is this

[buoyant maple]

Is it from creature spawner or smth else

[olive oar]

Requires the Datatide mod. It's another mod that can spawn tests in the Archyvum Sychorax stage.

[rancid geyser]

wait yall were talking about aurics?

this changes the scope a lot, ngl

[olive oar]

No, but I play mostly in auric and am trying to do solo games.

[rancid geyser]

not to be the dude to pop bubbles, but damn near anything works the way you'd want it to in auric

in that case much of anything any of us have said really matters if arguing for the use case at that diff

let them be

[buoyant maple]

I will say that solo/duo makes auric a bit different from normal

[radiant frigate]

the demonic are without number

[olive oar]

Even for solo play?

[rancid geyser]

if you are soloing its all skill, not the build

so imma double down and say yes

[olive oar]

Man, this would be the build, at least for this build, yes.

[rancid geyser]

solo doesnt change much of what was said in the chat, it's auric

[crisp ether]

Bcob let's you loop it without needing to deliberately quell. I think there's value in that. But again, I also don't think it's the talent is good on every build.

[buoyant maple]

It depends

[radiant frigate]

it is possible that your build sucks and your divine touch elevates it to playable

it's also possible that it is not the case

[rancid geyser]

exactly

player skill can make even bad stuff useable

[olive oar]

And this record killing times in Havoc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OcfHP3IrA

[thorn cedar]

yall are just unenlightened, filthy masses

[rancid geyser]

nah, because even if you had a good build, playing badly is going to end the run

I'm pretty stationary on that point

a build can only carry someone so far, I would know 🙂

[buoyant maple]

No I mean, some maps are near impossible to win on solo without very specific things in ur build

This is not necessarily a skill thing

[rancid geyser]

fine, I'll say mostly skill. Like 90%

[olive oar]

My main problem here is, if this proposed solution to the Voidstaff was obvious I woudn't need to be discussed here.
I believe that this build provides a solution for a critical problem of the Voidstrike Staff that deserves to be better looked upon.

[jovial juniper]

Which would be?

[thorn cedar]

It sucks.

[olive oar]

Exactly.

[rancid geyser]

only staff that sucks is infernus

the other ones all got character

[thorn cedar]

I haven't touched it in forever, is landing headshots still super wonky with it? Cause that has always irked me since varying enemies have varying heights.

[olive oar]

This build make it a shriek dispenser, into triple balls of 1700+ damage.

[rancid geyser]

the missile size still makes it weird in my experience

[thorn cedar]

And something they could do to help fix it is give it increased cleave/reduce enemy mass on headshots.

[rancid geyser]

but sometimes i swear it's the same on EK too

[thorn cedar]

But if the projectile is fucky then it doesn't matter

[rancid geyser]

sometimes it looks like it should be a head shot and it isnt

for both staves