psyker-class

[rancid geyser]

quelling increases how much peril tapping reduces which gives value to quietude, which is another reason to stay on low warp res

quelling stat also means you spend less time quelling

[cosmic sigil]

Somehow Darktide now runs better since I moved to Linux.

[fluid pulsar]

ye but wouln't that mean you shoot your flames shorter?

[rancid geyser]

why would you type this?!!? FS will spite you

[fluid pulsar]

Since your wrap resist is that low

[rancid geyser]

the time difference between how much you would be shooting is pretty nominal

and tapping barely cuts into that time anyways

like lets look at EK

[cosmic sigil]

It is truly incredible that it runs better with Proton involved than bare windows.

[fluid pulsar]

So you're saying 80 warp resist vs 60 warp resist is barely noticeable?

If that's the case then, that makes sense

[rancid geyser]

warp res causes M1 to build up 4.25% peril or 4.75% peril. In game those numbers are 4% and 5%, which means you are getting 5 more shots in game without quelling. Tapping it can quell anywhere between 8-15% peril

guess which one actually gives more time shooting?

[fluid pulsar]

But if it does make you shoot longer than usual then i'm keeping the 80 warp resist

[rancid geyser]

I mean you do you

but warp res on minimal is preferred, especially because warp rider and One with the Warp exist

you SHOULD want your uptime as high as possible, especially since you could be using quelling combat abilities

[fluid pulsar]

basically, reloading faster is better than having extra ammo. Yes?

[rancid geyser]

yes, it's more than just time spent shooting

[fluid pulsar]

ok ok i get it now

These terms man it confuses me

[rancid geyser]

we say quell/vent because it is different from reloading

and veteran has a similar mechanic on Plasma Gun while also being able to reload

[fluid pulsar]

In a sense, yeah its like replenishing your ammo so you can shoot again

[fluid pulsar]

The 69-72 thermal resist on the Plasma Gun is still bs to me. Why does Fatshark do this

[rancid geyser]

they swim in the tears of their victims

[deft stump]

Thing is, I use vent to mean shriek, lul.

[rancid geyser]

that's fair since venting shriek is a thing

[urban meteor]

I'm thinking of getting only a slight Peril Resistance, then just getting the fast quell

That seems appropriate if I wanna use the things that get buffed by almost combusting

Though 4 or 5 headpops in one sitting seem a little enticing

EP covers that though

[wind spruce]

Its not actually 4% and 5%. The decimals are calculated they just arent displayed.

[rigid sky]

I would like to take a moment to say Fuck that one talent that gives peril reduction at a cost of reduced toughness gain

Why would I spend 1 point to nerf my peril generation and nerf my toughness generation

And why is that talent so popular lmao

[urban meteor]

With Peril Generation being what it is

My guess is that there are builds that basically generate no Peril

So you're just shooting forever

Not exactly my thing though, I'd rather spent 2 seconds quelling

[orchid ice]

damn i wonder how one would build Jack from ME2 as a psyker here
she, like, gets a psionic shockwave, a force pull, "warp ammo", and uses shotguns/heavy pistols

[kind jay]

empyric resolve can be interesting if you dont care about buff maintenance and just want to spam (and arent using scrier)

[cosmic cobalt]

er is mandatory for something like trauma

[kind jay]

yeah

and the reduced toughness gain isnt that bad

[rigid sky]

I just tap R in between pulses lol

[cosmic sigil]

Puting quelling and reloading on the same button is so fucking dumb.

[orchid ice]

For Trauma when do I fullcharge the thing
or so i just spam small ones to fish for soulblazing crits

[rancid geyser]

Empyric Resolve is not as bad as people have out for it

most of the toughness gen in kit is over time and are already small numbers

reducing 3% by 30% doesnt mean much

realisitically if you were already topping yourself all, it's not really changing that

[rigid sky]

I mean it does? It's the same proportion unless some of it disappears due to granularity

Psyker is all about reducing the number of melee hits you take where your toughness isn't equal to 100%

[rancid geyser]

i would say actually play with it. The reduced peril gen is more noticable than the reduced toughness gen. I think the totals on each with ER were: Souldriker goes from 3% >2.1% per second Scrier's Gaze and Mettel go from 2.5% > 1.75%

[rigid sky]

I guess better peril economy helps with that too though

But with Voidblast I'm usually more preoccupied with trying to keep peril high rather than low

[rancid geyser]

it's 100% just a node for comfort imo

[icy breach]

Cause its fking good lmao

[rancid geyser]

I think Empyric Resolve, Solidity and Warp Ghost are all just comfy skills -- Warp Ghost actually being much stronger than the other 2

oh and put Crystalline Will there too, even though it meme worthy

[icy breach]

Nah boi stop baiting

[kind jay]

every node is a comfort node

[icy breach]

[kind jay]

[rancid geyser]

i think the two i like the most out of the 4 are Solidity and Warp Ghost

[dusk timber]

Nah

[rigid sky]

Maybe I'd take it if I was Rending Shockwave

[rancid geyser]

Crystalline will IS comfy

in damnation

XD

[rigid sky]

For flurry synergy

[rancid geyser]

BLOWING MY LOAD ALL OVER THE RAGERS IS FUN

tired of them in this damn event

[rancid geyser]

I find comfort in seeing that kill feed show my name like 7 times each rager pack in damnation. Memes and dopamine go hand in hand

[kind jay]

spam warp slice at rager trains and they just sorta stumble around

its kinda funny

[dusk timber]

Solidity also is how you path to warp charges

[icy breach]

Crystaline Will has 2 uses;

1. Explosion psyker meme dogshit build
2. Prevents losing ‚True Survivor’ run cause when you explode & have CW you don’t die nor go down = the run is still valid & counts

[rancid geyser]

I like puppet master

because it increases the range for Psykinetic Aura and in general is good for the team, since coherency is a chain

[icy breach]

Solidity is infinitely better

[rancid geyser]

they are honestly about the same for me

both good

[rancid geyser]

for yourself yeah

[icy breach]

Despite logical approach its still dogshit

[rancid geyser]

no doubt

but if im on SG i kinda dont need solidity, and Puppet Master is just nice

[kind jay]

i too am a puppet master stan

[rancid geyser]

actually even on flame staff i think Puppet Master is better

more spam, from CD

you dont really quell on inferno anyway

bum ass staff

Puppet Master also got weaker after the Psykinetic Aura nerf

[kind jay]

as long as im being fed cd reduction im happy

[rigid sky]

Yeah I prefer puppet master for Inferno too, since I'm also running Shriek and Warp Siphon. Another one of those cases where I literally can't build peril fast enough a lot of the time lol

I think anyway

I haven't tweaked my Inferno build in a month or so

[rancid geyser]

delete it 🙂

your tutorial days are over, time to actually play the game

[rigid sky]

no.

I like pretending to be a dragon

Tbh 90% of my Psyker games are with the Best Staff anyway, that is to say, the Vraks 5 IAG.

It casts dakka

And then it casts more dakka

[rancid geyser]

i do like the Columnus Mk5 myself, and refuse it to call it the Vraks, but this is a WIZARD CLASS

get the stick

and shoot it

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/dnd-dnd-memes-wizard-gun-gif-17564459094201955192

[rigid sky]

Magic bullets

They are enchanted to inflict death.

[rancid geyser]

Class it all: Magic Missile, Power Word Kill, Haste, Sanctuary

Fire Ball?!

eeeh maybe not really

[dusk timber]

Tbh its more like sorcerer/warlock than wizard

[rancid geyser]

in game or universe?

Because they fit all 3 classes in universe

[dusk timber]

Universe

[rancid geyser]

Chaos and Ork Psykers are Warlocks

Imperium Psykers are both Sorcerers and Wizards

Clerics too

[dusk timber]

Idk if you can become a psyker through studying

[rancid geyser]

no, but you can learn and have access to abilities through studying

and technically

subscribing to tzeench

fits studying

[dusk timber]

But then they already were psykers before

[rancid geyser]

tzeench can make people into psykers

for chaos

[dusk timber]

Thats literally warlock

[rancid geyser]

but, it happens due to people being curious

seeking it out

which is what wizards do 🙂

[dusk timber]

Thats still warlock

[rancid geyser]

Warlocks get specific abilities, tzeench just unlocks you lmao -- it's not the same

[dusk timber]

If youre getting your magic from some kind of entity thats warlock

[rancid geyser]

you CAN get specific abilities fromt he chaos gods, but tzeench can just let you become a base psyker

if it were just the ability to open the warp, and summon his lesser daemons, then i would say it's warlock

[dusk timber]

Its still not a wizard

[rancid geyser]

why you no want to classify it as wizardry?

[dusk timber]

Because its not a wizard?

[rancid geyser]

there are literally schools for psykers to learn from them

just like wizardry

lmao

[dusk timber]

Wizards get their magic from dedicating themselves to learning magic

[rancid geyser]

DnD doesnt have a monopoly on how wizards function, they already messed up with warlocks tbh

unironically Diablo does the warlock concept better

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean it doesn't matter at all since all build have warp ghost

[dusk timber]

No patron or nepo baby bullshit like warlock and sorcerer

[cosmic cobalt]

which give you toughness repleishment

you're a little worse off than base but like its small enough to not matter

[rancid geyser]

I don't use either because I need my damage

if only I had 1 or 2 more points

[cosmic cobalt]

this is cookie cutter trauma build

you can afford it

psychic vampire over ifr since it got fixed

you can go quietude instead of soulstealer if you want

[icy breach]

Ye but… what trauma? As in blessings & stuff

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah like normal one

aka nexus + soulblaze

brittleness is dogshit

[icy breach]

If only you knew

[rancid geyser]

I run 2 builds depending if there is another psyker or not, and niether has space for less damage

EK thrives off of damage

Kill or be Killed

[cosmic cobalt]

this mfs run gaze trauma

[rancid geyser]

OY

what no KF?!?!?!

[icy breach]

Spam for days

[cosmic cobalt]

Misinput

[icy breach]

Ikr; its oof

[cosmic cobalt]

it was a misinput

😭

[dusk timber]

Misinout

[rancid geyser]

were were about to FLAME you

lmao

[cosmic cobalt]

KILL YOURSELF

[rancid geyser]

im sorry

[icy breach]

Classic Cy

[wind spruce]

ER

[icy breach]

No soulstealer is diabolical my friend
Fix it

[cosmic cobalt]

trauma build

[rancid geyser]

also if i had more points it would 100% go into more crit lmao

FS give us 5 more points!

[rancid geyser]

Soul Stealer vs more damage 🙁

[cosmic cobalt]

also empathic evasion on ek

actual ass

[rancid geyser]

5% crit when im already over 50% is not worth over on demand damage

[icy breach]

Can have both
Never sacrifice survivability for more dmg

[rancid geyser]

it's always up

[rancid geyser]

nah, I have enough -- until i don't

[wind spruce]

Still dont like it

[cosmic cobalt]

i assume this is m2 build since reality anchor

[kind jay]

always sacrifice survivability cause you gonna die anyways

[icy breach]

Warp based builds with no soulstealer = pepega build

[cosmic cobalt]

damn no damage res

[rancid geyser]

if this were true more builds would take all the defense nodes under the auras

bold face lie

always sacrifice defense for damage because the less threats there is, the less danger there is for defenses to matter

[wind spruce]

Precog makes f all difference on a staff scriers build

You get more mileage from RA

[icy breach]

Not all are worth tho; and you kill with warp primarily and you do not take toughness on warp kills…
This is very pepega

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah but m1 build can actually benefit from it

[wind spruce]

Yeah but not much

[summer prairie]

Reality Anchor doesn't affect first tick quelling speed, so you only get -20% peril gen if you are one tap quelling

[rancid geyser]

i actually think every single one of those defense talents is worth taking, but not over damage. So I don't

[icy breach]

And then suddenly you get chipped by aoe/shooter & you can’t regain for shit & get fked
Ye nah bruh; seen too many goofy ah psykers with no soulstealer on warp builds & dying cause of that

[rancid geyser]

this

[wind spruce]

Does that apply to other quell speed bonuses?

Ainz runs RA on scriers trauma so must be right

[jovial juniper]

RA being trash
Wow who could've seen that?

[summer prairie]

yes

[rancid geyser]

this never happens

quietude ensures that

you will never not have somethign to gain toughness off of between quelling in SG

[icy breach]

For minor chips; it tough situations it won’t be enough mah man

[rancid geyser]

IDK, ive gotten through some shit with it lmao

[icy breach]

Only time soulstealer is not used is for meleeker/gunker

[rancid geyser]

usually not getting 1-2 shot to where 7.5% per kill would matter more

also, one is always active for boss fights

and it's not toughness on kill

shouldn't have to look away from impending danger to get my toughness back

[icy breach]

Why not both then; srsly not using SS on warp based builds is foolish

[rancid geyser]

damage

Kill or be killed

im so dead ass on that

Glass Cannon all the way

1 of us or both of us will be dying

[icy breach]

You have enough already lmao
Your dmg ain’t gonna be shit if you die easier

[rancid geyser]

NO

it's not enough!

I point

you die

watching them die slower is painful

[icy breach]

I like your bait; i fell for it
Still a pepega choice

[rancid geyser]

I need you to try EK with and without max damage

it's a world of difference

lmao

[icy breach]

Oh believe me; when i do make EK build i will have SS & dmg together

[rancid geyser]

but the damage!

oh also, you arew forgetting

DD is already a toughness generator

lmao

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[summer prairie]

one is talking about auric the other h40

[rancid geyser]

im using this in h40

lmao

[summer prairie]

doesn't sound like it

[rancid geyser]

the case is usually there is an infrno psyker or ogryn, so you are always realitively safe

[rancid geyser]

maybe i guess?

not really sure why i would be saying i need mroe damage in auric

what kind of bot take is that?

[summer prairie]

taking a node that gives you more damage doesn't mean you actually do more damage

if it still takes the same number of shots to kill something

[rancid geyser]

taking a node that gives more survivability doesnt actually mean that it will provide said survivability

see how dumb the argument will get?

.>

[summer prairie]

not really

[rancid geyser]

and it does not

it like when yall were in here months ago saying PoTS does nothing on EK

ppl tend to spout shite that make no sense until someone shares maths in here

had this dispute in the hivescum chat too

saying 5% crit was more dps than 10% melee

[icy breach]

In that case it works cause it restores your dmg sustained better
Meanwhile if your dmg remains effectively the same in order to kill aka use the same amount of attacks as before then ye its not better technically

[rancid geyser]

so only IF which means you are already making an assuption that it doesnt for some reason?

[deft stump]

Breakpoints matter unless you are just solo whaling on a boss and aren't a straight 1-2 shot build.

[rancid geyser]

feelstide is weird homies

stop it

[icy breach]

Yeah
Its still an IF but its enough to point the argument; survivability > dmg

[deft stump]

Then more dps gud, lul.

[rancid geyser]

this is why I take the damage, lmao, killing things fast legit just resolves bad situations when they happen or before they happen. Having Less DPS doesn't, If you get packed into a wall or corner because you couldn't kill anything you already know where that leads

[summer prairie]

Right because I don't do damage with EK builds if I skip one or two damage node

[jovial juniper]

Actually true because it's ek

[rancid geyser]

big facts lmao

it needs the damage, not even tweaking on it

[deft stump]

Thing is, breakpoints. Let's assume a target of 1k hp. You do 200 damage per swing, 10% boost is 220. You take 5 hits to kill vs 5 hits to kill. So pointless.

Might as well use on something else.

Unless it is a significant boost, say killing something important in 1 less shot, no diff.

[rancid geyser]

I get that, but the damage also feeds into the KF, which DOES matter imo

[rancid geyser]

for EK with what im using its a lot more than even 2-3 more shots that I'm Reducing depending on crits in H40

[sweet sigil]

hello everyone

[icy breach]

Ikr? Dmg is not everything; that notion is a disease

[rancid geyser]

Yeah, I know as im always saying that

but yall act like building for it is a plague

which is also just as weird

[deft stump]

Is usually easier to factor without considering crits since you can get 1 or 10 in a row by pure luck. Makes it harder even if it's a main thing for EK. Still a gamble.

[rancid geyser]

yall lean a bit too heavy on one side

[icy breach]

Oh not at all
Just very pepega not to have SS on a warp based build

[jovial juniper]

Ignore everything they said
Damage is everything and whoever disagrees just doesn't deal enough damage

[misty ferry]

@autumn smelt should we chud it out?

[deft stump]

Honestly, is best to just test. Sometimes just surviving at 1 hp means you can clutch long enough to have the team up.

[misty ferry]

And do that bs duo to shut this guy up?

[rancid geyser]

7.5 Toughness on each kill vs 8% toughness every 4 shots

wrong response

[deft stump]

Or have the other living player run off to rescue.

[rancid geyser]

but 4 shots come out fast

vs possibly not killing a target and having it taken which does happen

[deft stump]

You claim WF, that eats chaff easily.

Assuming vent ek.

[rancid geyser]

SG EK

if chaff are on you you melee regardless

and melee notably will not always give you the benefit of warp kills

you can still build peril and vent while in melee

on FGS you'd have to build up to the warp slice which just using it also give quietude value

[icy breach]

And that will always be better than a lil extra dmg

[rancid geyser]

on Force sword you'd have to generate peril to even get the hit out, which also gives quietude value

and every other melee doesnt give peril

[deft stump]

SG EK basically doesn't rely as much on soulblaze though. You just aren't quite build for it barring PC, but that won't really snowball without vent.

[rancid geyser]

PC is just for KF

tbh

helps clear threaths faster from it stacking

[deft stump]

That's even lower value... somehow if you are expecting kf into pc to wf snowball.

There's a reason meleekers lean harder to the right than those nodes.

[kind jay]

just putting my perspective but: when i think about damage i also consider that my team's damage will usually overlap with mine. doing more may not hit breakpoints but it might help someone else reach a kill if you dont

[deft stump]

And soublaze doesn't do jack unless it snowballs.

3 stacks is nothing.

[rancid geyser]

not snowballing it, it's just for the random pop it gets from spreading. It's usually 1-3 less kills i have to attend to through KF in big groups

[deft stump]

I can understand lazy kf for meleeker, but pc/wf is pointless.

[rancid geyser]

it does end up killing chaff though, but im less worried about that

ive noticed a lot that when DD is on a gunner in the back and i kill it

it usually deals with some more over time when i cant hit them

[deft stump]

Still luck based on some level.

[rancid geyser]

like having to kite around corners with the team

[deft stump]

You need enough things to die next to it.

And by that, enough elites.

[rancid geyser]

again, if we are kiting i at least know that it will kill some of them just off of the 1st, until there are no more with the ticks on them left

and it will keep killing however slow because the damage is always high from DD stacks

[deft stump]

...

[rancid geyser]

the stacks arent what's getting the kills

[deft stump]

50% of like... can someone pull up how much damage is 3 stacks?

[rancid geyser]

it's the KF procing off of the burn

[deft stump]

I think it's low enough, it won't matter even vs chaff.

[rancid geyser]

the burns last long enough to keep KF going

again PC not for the burn

[deft stump]

12 secs to pop.

[rancid geyser]

1 less enemy to worry about every 12 seconds, yeah

same as using it regualrly anyways

randomly goes off on something REGARDLESS

[deft stump]

So are you saying you are god kiting a constantly increasing horde where you get 1 kill every 12 sec will do much.

[rancid geyser]

no, chill. Don't put words in my mouth

[deft stump]

You need to hit at least 1 minute before it does anything.

[rancid geyser]

im saying i value that it can kill things off passivley between the 2

vs having 1 node shutting off as soon as i have to melee

[deft stump]

And that assumes the pop happens in a localised area to stack damage.

Because 4 stacks ain't killing much.

[rancid geyser]

yeah, even in big hordes, you are guarenteed to get +1 elite/special without having to hit it yourself

[rancid geyser]

how long do you thinke hordes last in h40?

just answer that rq

[deft stump]

It will weaken, but if it spreads out the pops, you don't get the numbers big enough to seriously kill.

[rancid geyser]

answer

how long do you think hordes take to kill in h40

and the downtime between encounters

[deft stump]

Oh? Spawns all the time. Mobians take longer, but that's expected. Thing is, they aren't the stuff you worry about. That shooter there is more likely to kill you than them.

And honestly, with good builds, 2-3 hits.

[rancid geyser]

and sometimes you have to break corners and get rushed by other elites and specials right?

or cant shoot past the bulwarks and the like Because you are on EK right?

if a fight is taking 2-3 minutes

how many procs are you getting for random KF kills

ones that you might not even be swinging for or shooting for

[icy breach]

Its also chaotic cause you can’t control which enemy gets KF so it ends up used on an enemy which has less priority over other more dangerous one

[deft stump]

As said, KF isn't the thing, KF to PC into WF is the point.

[rancid geyser]

its the other way around that i have been explaining the entire time

it's PC to get random KF value

[deft stump]

Controlled KF is just a strong crit every 12 sec on a target you choose.

[rancid geyser]

EK doesnt need KF to kill shit regardless

[icy breach]

Not enough to kill even a groaner LMAO

[rancid geyser]

KF just killing random shit is nice

[icy breach]

[rancid geyser]

the only things that KF matters on when shooting at something is Monsters, And Crushers

you kill everything else

might as well toss KF away then

[quartz barn]

Hey those 3 stacks randomly kill snipers

[deft stump]

Random, so kills random unimportant things instead of bursting down the shit you need dead infront of you.

[rancid geyser]

it's literally just +1 random kill

[rancid geyser]

if i am shooting something in front of me, it can still go off on that same enemy

[deft stump]

Why do you think ppl just skip bb on it and take assail?

[rancid geyser]

are you saying the ppl using KF with Venting shriek are wrong for doing so?

because they might have kf go off on a random target?"

is that where we are heading?

[deft stump]

People use vent is because you get a chunk of soulblaze stacks that stacks above the usual limit of inferno.

[rancid geyser]

who tf would take assail on EK

[rancid geyser]

but venting shriek build usually take KF

[deft stump]

Don't you FGS?

[rancid geyser]

because it;s free value

[deft stump]

So take vent?

[quartz barn]

Isnt this super common cause hordeclear

[rancid geyser]

you have melee for hordes that get in your face

[deft stump]

Like I said, kf into pc into wf is fine on vent builds.

You pull gaze.

[rancid geyser]

FGS can also have KF go off on a random target too

should i stop using FGS as well?

where is the logic coming from that because KF can go off randomly you should use other things?

it will always do so as you are playing

none of yall have perfect placement or tracking for it

unless you got a mod

dead ass not gunna sit here and have yall act like you do

[thorn cedar]

im always perfect

[rancid geyser]

imma need brodie to answer this

[deft stump]

You time when you use the special.

[rancid geyser]

if you can randomly lose KF on another target should i just not use FGS and the special?

[deft stump]

Or learn to aim heavies.

Or stop using mk8.

[kind jay]

if i get hit its cause the game cheated

[rancid geyser]

so hold it even if you might need the damage to kill enemies now or cc them?

where is the logic in holding it, unless you have the perfect time to do so?

random

just wait is a BS reasoning

[deft stump]

If you need to shoot it, it wouldn't matter if it kf's or not, the buffed warp cleave should be killing chaff and usually halving or killing bigger things.

[rancid geyser]

why are we talking about chaff here, KF doesnt care about chaff

using the wave can still burn KF on something you didnt want it to

i need the response to that if we are gunna discount using it with PC

[deft stump]

And if you talk about PC. Well, would spread if anything survives the nuke.

[thorn cedar]

if u lose just say the magic words, "Fucking FatShark!" and u will be absolved

[deft stump]

So crushers and bulky things.

[rancid geyser]

you never light attack or only have the perfect timing for the stab when KF is up?

never hit the wrong target when it's up either?

[kind jay]

yeah fs gotta stop coding it so i have scripted deaths

its not my fault ever

[icy breach]

Canon event

[rancid geyser]

I'm just saying it's not pointless to combo the 2, because im not always on a force sword or a FGS, losing value by getting a warp only toughness talent would be a wasted point

even more so since we are arguing soul blaze not having enough stacks to get kills

right?

[deft stump]

You are arguing value in 2 points where it only really snowballs off if you have vent. Ask any better player.

[rancid geyser]

i was never arguing about it snowballing or not

like what was said earlier

damage isnt everything

and the snowball argument is only in the the defense of damage

nothing else

[deft stump]

Plus, we came from you arguing more damage over defensive nodes.

[rancid geyser]

but me also notifying yall that im very much in the camp of damage not always being everything

[quartz barn]

Damage IS everything, flexing 6m dmg scoreboard is mandatory

[rancid geyser]

i say it multiple times in here

.>

[rancid geyser]

and im still arguing this

[deft stump]

In h40 where if you mess up and have no ability to gain back toughness fast, you just die.

[rancid geyser]

quietude isnt exactly slow, in comparions

especially when you MIGHT struggle to kill something

[deft stump]

Unless you get baby sat by a shout vet and book zealot, I guess.

[rancid geyser]

venting 50% from SG is immediate toughness as well

shooting is immediate toughness

quelling is immediate toughness

[rancid geyser]

those do exist too ngl

might have influenced my choices a bit

can't deny that part

[deft stump]

That one is hilariously slow alone by itself, is a good passive thing, but it's something you run alongside other toughness regen. More so if you run ER.

[rancid geyser]

4 shots is more toughness than 1 kill, especially when you are targeting elites

you might get those 4 shots off before you even get a kill

especially when looking at crushers and bulwarks

DD is already giving toughness over time

so is mettel

and SG

so it's not like there is 0 toughness generation either outside of Quietude

usually when i get hit, my toughness immediatley gets topped off, regardless of a kill or not

and if it doesnt just vent a little and go back to shooting

no worrying about possibly needing to change targets just for 7.5%

when i could tap quell for more

then keep shooting for even more

[icy breach]

Hmmm
Mah boi is contradicting himself? 🤔

[rancid geyser]

nah, i just said i built for damage

two different things

not once did i say damage was everything lmao

if yall assumed that, ive no clue what to tell you

things have nuance

if i were to believe that quietude wouldnt be picked like at all

and id only have the neccessary talents in the beginning of the tree

since there is more damage that I could actually grab

[icy breach]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[rancid geyser]

Cannons Have a foundation 🙂

like that one?

[icy breach]

Yours are lacking

[rancid geyser]

it's made out of glass

[icy breach]

It sounded good yes

[rancid geyser]

tbf I don't think yall are wrong for saying take more survivability, but I've already cleared my h40, so I wanna do it with something that isnt Inferno Staff

could take all the defense I want and still have enough damage to kill the map with that staff

[thorn cedar]

h40 with mind in motion

[rancid geyser]

sometimes i swap PC for this, if the Inferno Staff user asks

think they usually do because they need the Soulblaze kills for IFR, i just let them have it

[misty ferry]

Voidblast scriers gaze for max degeneracy

[deft stump]

They just don't want you stealing stacks.

Cos they might have invested more into it and fs uncanny interaction.

[rancid geyser]

fair, I never argue if asked

MiM or Souldrinker is what i go when they ask

i wanna say like 50/50

i do like the trickle

[deft stump]

IFR just requires targets to be on soulblaze dying by their hits. Guess it could affect it if they rely on their soulblaze to deal last hits so most inferno vent builds.

[rancid geyser]

I mean if they are on a dedicated fire build then the likelyhood of me stealing isnt too high no?

[deft stump]

Is very. You know how pc+wf works.

[rancid geyser]

last to apply the stack gets the credit, including if they were the last to apply the stack that capped it?

[deft stump]

You can easily accidentally steal because you own the stack even if they added all the stacks.

[rancid geyser]

something like that im assuming

[deft stump]

No, first to apply.

[rancid geyser]

oh

they'll be fine!

mostly

maybe!

[deft stump]

Luck based, which is better left to dumb shit in aurics than h40.

[rancid geyser]

but yeah, then there is even less reason to use PC when playing with an inferno user

dont want to piss them off even more, they are already forced to use a brainless stick that isnt fun

[deft stump]

Unless they like it... the ones running it with vent maybe. Bubble is just, because have to.

[rancid geyser]

last few bubble psykers sounded miserable

[deft stump]

Bubble in a nutshell. You have it to guide cats.

Ppl usually run to it.

Bad bubble use usually karks over team more.

And if you accidentally make a mistake, no vent for you.

[rancid geyser]

true

last week was my last time playing inferno, ever

and it was because of accidently blowing up while tired

inferno + bubble is legit miserable and i refuse to ever do it again

[deft stump]

Inferno+vent though, is funny while half asleep.

[rancid geyser]

tried it as well, but i was asked to bubble

shriek is more braindead than bubble

[deft stump]

Because bubble safety net.

[rancid geyser]

but some people like the crutch bubble provides

[deft stump]

The funniest argument a zealot made. I will bring book but no becon on blight.

I rather you go stealth thunderhammer with beacon.

Oggy died from pure corruption buildup.

[rancid geyser]

be like that sometimes XD

[deft stump]

Because they think they will be kicked for not taking book.

[rancid geyser]

i feel like book isnt neccessary when you have a inferno psyker and taunt ogryn

psyker and ogryn are basically the entire team

the other 2 slots are kinda free imo

though book does make things easier on top of those 2

[deft stump]

You don't say, anything dies in a chokepoint especially when nuncio is up.

Problem is, blight corruption.

No migitation.

[rancid geyser]

or sitting in 1 spot until the blight dissapears

ive had that experience once

fun times

[deft stump]

No choice if already pushed back to drop off.

[rancid geyser]

that has never happened to me

which map? lmao

[deft stump]

You know the mission where you find 5 ammo supplies to shove into a transport crate? The tunnel.

Chasm logi, I think.

Also had it happen in any map where there's a long tunnel like area.

[rancid geyser]

oh the one with the train cars at teh end?

[deft stump]

Or bridge.

[deft stump]

I think?

The one that is without a guaranteed boss.

[rancid geyser]

im not good at remembering the beginning of missions

just the end

[deft stump]

I just don't remember names unless trauma.

[rancid geyser]

the one im talking about has the 2 locations with 5 collectables

both on opposite sides

then you cross to extract after collecting them

[deft stump]

Like silo and karking shooters at the end. Or lights out rot event having to solo clutch the tunnel to the finale.

[left walrus]

havent played psyker in a min and just started playing again, is the lightning staff still dogshit?

[rancid geyser]

been over a year?

EK stopped being ass imo when they introduced Empyric Shock

that's when i fell in love with it

[left walrus]

I played when no mans land came out, and then took another long break

[rancid geyser]

oh

so EK wasn't ass then lmao just not as broken as inferno staff

[left walrus]

Only played for a bit, dont main psyker

[deft stump]

Just bad only cos everything hp went up.

[left walrus]

so it is bad

[deft stump]

So breakpoints got karked.

[left walrus]

got it

is it havoc 40 viable?

[rancid geyser]

i think the HP increase killed M2

[left walrus]

rip

[jovial juniper]

Everything is h40 viable

[left walrus]

excuse me?

[deft stump]

If you have skill, you can play anything.

[jovial juniper]

So I don't think that's a good metric to go

[jovial juniper]

Did I stutter?

[deft stump]

It absolutely did.

[jovial juniper]

In case I did

Lemme say it again

[left walrus]

lemme see your shredder autopistol run on havoc 40

Ill wait

[jovial juniper]

Everything is h40 viable

[deft stump]

Ask Ainz.

[rancid geyser]

E-e-e-eee-ee-everything is viable in Hh-h-h-havoc 40

[deft stump]

That guy did that before.

_>

[jovial juniper]

You ain't going to see shit because I don't want to

Everything is h40 viable anyways

[left walrus]

And how much more effort does it take vs meta weapons?

[deft stump]

Ainz is like, top tier player so...

[rancid geyser]

I've seen someone use it in H40 before

[left walrus]

that didnt answer the question lol

I know Ainz is good

[deft stump]

If your skill is more close to avg, don't even think about it unless you are willing to invest hours into learning and honing.

[rancid geyser]

how much more effort requires a metric to go by, of which you did not provide. Anything said to answer your question would not only be anecdotal but also arbitrary

[left walrus]

Im assuming they ran something like Dueling Sword with the auto pistol

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-4370030053602687111

[deft stump]

Tac axe.

Actually.

Solo as well.

[left walrus]

Take axe can deal with Armor though right?

[rancid geyser]

bro is there something that is the oposite of dyslexia?

[left walrus]

Im just curious about the setup

[rancid geyser]

took me 4 looks to realize it wasnt spelled right

fml

brain instantly autocorrected it for me

[left walrus]

I might give it a go, been running Agripina IAG lately

on vet

[rancid geyser]

.>

[deft stump]

Should just ask the guy himself on his builds. Like he just skill more than equips at times.

[jovial juniper]

Yeah just ping Ainz

[left walrus]

Ive seen them play, I know theyre Krak'd

[jovial juniper]

@/miiabestsnake

[left walrus]

if its a skill issue, Ill figure it out

[rancid geyser]

dw, mods can fix that

unless the interrupt gameplay by tanking your performance like they do to me

cant even use enhanced description without an issue lmao

[left walrus]

do they got a mod that summons ainz into my game a-la-dark-souls?

[left walrus]

thats wack

I've been playing without mods lately

[rancid geyser]

i actually swapped over to vet to try this gun. How tf do you kill things with it? XD

eeeh nvm

[left walrus]

By shooting them, brittleness and focus stacks

[rancid geyser]

i think all of the IAG will kill shit with my set up

[left walrus]

can even kill carapace with it

[rancid geyser]

i am bad for trying it raw 1st

[left walrus]

lol

I run dum dum and sustained right now, been trying different setups

dueling sword and kraks also

[rancid geyser]

was gunna compare it to the vraks

but I already know the difference in kill speeds, with or without Sustained Fire. That use to be the only ranged weapon i used for a LONG times XD

I think sustained fire does put it a bit closers in regards to TTK though, maybe

I am assuming you are using the Agri for sniping right?

or something close to sniping

[left walrus]

anti infantry/elite/specials

stay in executioner stance most of the game

just been trying to mix it up

[rancid geyser]

wanna see a kill on a crusher without executioner stance?

gunz only

IAG are funny

[left walrus]

I can do that also

its just not the main purpose of why I run Agri

I try to keep the team from being surpressed or gunned down

[rancid geyser]

you got ogryn for that hehe

and psyker

and zealot!

but you ARE kind for thinking of the team, most players don't

[left walrus]

I could always got max dps but gets boring

running shout all the time

still trying to like Plasma gun

Recon Las still my go to

[deft stump]

Just too much ammo spent to be worth it though.

[rancid geyser]

I have never liked this gun, and im still learning to appreciate the recon

[left walrus]

same

[deft stump]

I gambled on it just for funny.

[rancid geyser]

yes and no, depending on the viewpoint. On agri, not really imo because most kills take 1-2 shots if using Deadshot iirc. On Vraks it's just funny, not really worth

[deft stump]

You are on a mode with less ammo without bugged survivalist.

[left walrus]

survivalist is bugged?

[rancid geyser]

yeah i get that, but agri is specifically ammoe efficient imo

[deft stump]

No cd if allies procs it.

[rancid geyser]

i like vraks but i can't cap and say that its worth. Agri is diff

[left walrus]

nice

[deft stump]

So you can roleplay ammo dispenser now.

[left walrus]

Agri is pretty ammo efficient Ive found

[deft stump]

Just go afk in corner.

The gun oggies will love you.

[rancid geyser]

^

[left walrus]

so back to the electro staff, if m2 is dead, why even run it?

[thorn cedar]

still cant believe this was default survivalist for like a year and a half

[rancid geyser]

Yeah but it is funny. Wouldn't even recommend the guns in Havoc, but i will be trying them there soon. Agri probably won't be too bad

also im probably 100% still using VoC in that setting

[left walrus]

ah youre running focus target

[rancid geyser]

yes, because i want to be different XD

[left walrus]

whats the talent tree looking like

[rancid geyser]

and WS is kinda meh for the IAG imo

[left walrus]

Im always down to try different setups

yeah I wouldnt take WS

[rancid geyser]

if you are going WS might as well go plasma and subscribe to that lifestyle, couldnt blame you

[left walrus]

Id do that on revolver or plasma

[rancid geyser]

but the only guns i like using on vet are recon while im learning it, IAG, and unfortunately Plasma, but that's more because it's easy to use

Plasma do be doing work, even if i hate it personally. Using it is more effective than most other weapons and that aspect i do like

[rancid geyser]

scuffed atm

[left walrus]

lol

Im on games lantern trying to make a psyker tree, for the electro staff

and Id say the same for mine too

[rancid geyser]

issues with IAG is that they need onslaught to even damage carapace

and I very much like shooting at carapace before getting into melee

[left walrus]

ah youre using the crit ADS node

[rancid geyser]

yeah

[left walrus]

yeah onslaught feels mandatory on vet for anything with high ROF

[rancid geyser]

because I found that stamina gen is high with Focused Target

[deft stump]

M1 is hilariously broken op if you are okay with cheat tier macros or hell, even just spamming.

[rancid geyser]

M1 Surge is the greatest thing to ever bless psyker

dont let any inferno user say otherwise

[left walrus]

I aint trying to use macros, but Ill probably use the full auto mod so I dont have to keep mashing m1 for all the tap fire weapons

[deft stump]

I would run no keystones at a point lul if I hated focus target.

[rancid geyser]

i ended up hurting my finger playing EK like 2 weeks ago

if you can mod for it, do so maybe

[rancid geyser]

I actually like FT. I've mostly been choosing between Trench Fighter Drill or Redirect Fire, cant figure which is more worth atm

[pure plinth]

"cheat tier" and its just an autoclicker for not getting carpal tunnel

[deft stump]

Oh no, there's a reason quell cancel got nerfed/removed, because m1 surge ek was insanely busted with macro.

Like, absolutely stupid tiers of damage.

[rancid geyser]

also deciding if im going trench fighter drill if i should go serrated blade over field improv

[rancid geyser]

the 400spm

[left walrus]

so what blessings beside surge would electro take?

[rancid geyser]

i left everytime i saw someone doing it

[deft stump]

Okay someone who probably abused quell cancel surge ek.

[pure plinth]

no i didnt do that

[rancid geyser]

Surge + Warp Nexus

[pure plinth]

i never even touched ek m1

[left walrus]

figured

[rancid geyser]

Perks : Flak + Maniac / Carapace + Unyielding/ Flak + Unyielding

[deft stump]

It's not tiny blasts anymore, just a beam.

[pure plinth]

its a basic quality of life feature

[rancid geyser]

i think the perks are flexible, the only thing the weapon struggles killing at base is unyielding and carapace

[pure plinth]

something the game lacks

[left walrus]

dont even wanna use it if I cant use m2

[rancid geyser]

I mean did you look at them shooting form the side? That's not far off XD

[left walrus]

destroys the whole appeal of the weapon for me

[deft stump]

Yes, I did. I had the luck to get 2 of them.

[rancid geyser]

I left every single run i saw it in

[deft stump]

I literally just afked and just walked.

[rancid geyser]

Not fond of that level of modding

ppl might not call it a cheat

but it legit looks like one

[deft stump]

It absolutely is.

[royal falcon]

mods that do that kind of thing really are just cheats imo

[deft stump]

Is fine if they just full auto with the set capped fire rate.

[pure plinth]

its stupid to balance a weapon around the fact that people wouldnt want to break their fingers and wrists

[deft stump]

That's just bs.

[rancid geyser]

to me it's like auto comboing in MH

I'm clowning on you for doing it

[royal falcon]

if you want to full-auto the funny staff then you are going to break your finger like the rest of us

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-talking-meme-thanos-talking-meme-thanos-speech-gif-1800590086203910493

[rancid geyser]

well in all fairness you should injure yourself playing it

i just played too much when it happened

[deft stump]

You can also just play normally.

[pure plinth]

people shouldnt be breaking their fingers and wrists, and the weapon shouldnt shoot that fast anyways

[rancid geyser]

^

[deft stump]

That was when m2 ek was still good.

[rancid geyser]

the staff does a good enough damage to kill enemies reasonably without the mod, even in havocs

[deft stump]

By normally, I do mean without abusing macros.

[rancid geyser]

ofc

that's how it should be, even if we have issues with the obese fish

[deft stump]

Is one thing to go full auto, that's... just stupid obvious cheating.

[pure plinth]

this is just an immersive experience as a psyker

[kind jay]

i manually lmb ek every match. i can probably punch a hole in steel with my index finger at this point

[rancid geyser]

Like if you went into the psykhanium everything that you are killing would just take at most, 50% more time to kill [for some it's the same ttk and others like maybe 10%-20%]

[pure plinth]

outcasted from society for using ek m1, hurting yourself to use your own capabilities for a team that doesnt value you

[rancid geyser]

I meant shouldn't

lmao

[deft stump]

Well, just use it full auto and not cancel macro.

Because they are now sprint cancelling macro it so worse but can still be bs.

Just you keep moving forwards doing it so riskier.

[rancid geyser]

it really isnt that bad to play normally

[deft stump]

Yeah, seen it. It's still just cheating but you know those kinda players won't stop.

[pure plinth]

oh i thought you meant full auto as a macro

[left walrus]

Wish I could use a seperate key for heavy attacks and hold Left Click for light attack spam, Id even do left click lights, heavy on right click, and block seperate, maybe its possible, havent looked at the settings in a long time

[pure plinth]

yeah that other stuff is broken

[rancid geyser]

like it doesnt take long to kill anything even without stacks, and with bad aim. all the ttk are just 1.5x longer at max diff too

i think you are tweaking if you are complaining about this basic ass gameplay

you shouldn't need to fire faster than that

[left walrus]

that doesnt look good for my finger mane

[rancid geyser]

tap lightly man

i learned

trust

havent gotten another injury lmao

[left walrus]

even tapping lightly

rather just be able to hold left click

and it hits max rate of fire intended

[rancid geyser]

I play league so it's doable, before recently though when playing this game my taps were so damn hard

[left walrus]

theres no reason they shouldnt do this

[rancid geyser]

like my mouse would have finger prints on them i was tapping so hard

[left walrus]

lol

I need a new mouse

I wore out the side grip on each side completely cause of my grip

granted Ive had the mouse for years

[rancid geyser]

how?

old?

[left walrus]

probably like 5 years old

[rancid geyser]

aaah, thats fair

time for a new one to abuse

[left walrus]

Thinking of picking up the logitech lightweight mouse

forget the model but its pricey

[rancid geyser]

I like Corsairs

[left walrus]

either that or get one of those moba mouses so I can play gooner rivals one handed, the way the devs designed it to be played 😩

[rancid geyser]

Corsair weighted mice feel good

and the come with bigger mice that fit my hand size

that's always an issue

[left walrus]

ah yeah, small mice cramp hands

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-cute-rat-rub-tiny-gif-23671665

[deft stump]

I play skywrath so... EWQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

[rancid geyser]

EEEEEEEW!

scum

scum of the earth

i hate it!

i still have horrid memories playing against him

[deft stump]

Custom games is funny with slow moving projectiles with crazy range.

[rancid geyser]

oh i sent a friend req yesterday

i want to get back into the game, just need some time to do so

[left walrus]

skywrath?

is that from Dota?

[deft stump]

He can bully mid/offlaners with mana.

[rancid geyser]

shitty little skreeak mage in Dota 2

[deft stump]

Resident extremely noisy flying chimkin nuker.

[rancid geyser]

his wife is dead

and also in the game

League stole this and put it in their game

[deft stump]

Naw, just fallen.

If you mean his GF.

[rancid geyser]

Well his wife. Did they change the lore at some point?

[deft stump]

She lost her wings and fell, not really dead.

[rancid geyser]

her name was vengeful spirit back then because she was notably dead

like actually dead

[deft stump]

In DOTA2, is fallen in the...

Think Chaos way.

[rancid geyser]

I know they change lore every now and then

they did it with DK too at somepoint

[deft stump]

Just not Chaos...

[left walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[deft stump]

But accepting vengeance power way.

[rancid geyser]

you are playing a warhammer game dont make me come over there and beat yo ass

[left walrus]

Im self aware

[deft stump]

There was even a comic about it.

Might have to dig it up.

They did an entire event around it.

Parts are still in the game.

[rancid geyser]

yeha i just looked it up

[deft stump]

Also twinned arcanas.

[rancid geyser]

she surrendered her physical bod

she's dead lmao

spirit because no life

Gave her body to Scree'auk

in MY world when someone sacrifices themself, dem dead

[deft stump]

Embodiment of vengeance anyway.

[rancid geyser]

yeah but she IS a spirit

none of the spirits are 'alive'

[deft stump]

Eh, not quite with the not panda man.

[rancid geyser]

brewmaster?

[deft stump]

Yeah.

I just joke about it cos waiting for a panda skin.

[rancid geyser]

elementals

[deft stump]

I know they will do it some day for the Chinese crowd.

[rancid geyser]

probably lmao

[deft stump]

And with how cache is like.

[rancid geyser]

I need another MH crossover

[deft stump]

I skipped the last one since I barely play it anymore.

[rancid geyser]

want to see more of the stuff

the ones in game look cool

also when i checked the other day techies look like they are WAY better than when they 1st ported them over into Dota 2

[deft stump]

Maybe if they release a TA arcana for USD$35.

[rancid geyser]

this makes me happy

[deft stump]

Maybe I'll peek back in for my top waifu.

Wind is actually second.

And I ship them both.

Joke is, I can play wind better than TA.

[deft stump]

They are in a way. More active than just mining jungles.

[rancid geyser]

yeah i wated a top player play them

looks toxic af

and i like that

much easier to get kills on them too

no more hiding around corners to ambush and force staff and root people on bombs

[deft stump]

More potential in a teamfight than before if you have W affect the tank.

Or yourself before jumping in.

[rancid geyser]

also the suicide attack isnt a suicide attack anymore

for the most part

you can still deny yourself with it at least

[deft stump]

It's techies. They just made him less toxic to teammates by having him be more useful in teamfights.

And not, I am the embodiment of delay till 2 hours for Medusa.

A good techies will delay games.

[rancid geyser]

yeah

i have only ever been in one 2hr game, and i was playing techies when they launched in dota 2

lmao

people would legit die whenever they approached base, and we took their gem, so they couldnt track mines

fun times

[deft stump]

It works to extend for Medusa or some extremely hard carry to come online.

[rancid geyser]

is storm spirit good or bad now

i remember being able to nuke someone from across the map if you landed on them

could zip in, rod of atos while zipping back and hit them again on the return

some funny toxic stuff were doable back then XD

[deft stump]

Can still work on squishies, but then you have no mana and might just be punished for it.

No more basically inf mana regen.

[rancid geyser]

AAAW

but that's probably for the best

looking at it now i think they also changed the move speed on the ult too

yeah!

i guess there are things that ARE too OP

[deft stump]

Bloodstone on many casters.

Nukers.

[rancid geyser]

yeah, they changed bloodstone to a vamp item

sadge

[deft stump]

I know.

[agile moth]

It is for sure, storm spirit enemies get to actually do something storm spirit players get to not be paired with unskilled people that would just immediately run away half the map whenever they got hit and still manage to come back without consequences

he is still pretty god damn strong afaik

been awhile since i touched dota

[rancid geyser]

he is more of an auto attacker now im assuming?

that weaves in clones inbetween attacking

i liked the moving clones when i tried it when assets were still a thing

but yeah, even i am awknowledging how broken SP got when the games went on long

there wasnt a lot of magic resistance back then

so the only counters were str heroes

[agile moth]

i mean yea he do that, that was how i played him since forever though, there are alot* of new items these days as well

[deft stump]

I mean, he just can be punished now for doing such if not planned correctly.

[agile moth]

yeah he can, but still a pretty good margin for error on that field other than letting himself get insta polymorphed

[rancid geyser]

cross mapping leaving you at 20% to 40% mana is rough

there is still a decent amount of mana regen in game it seems

but it comes at the cost of damage now

heros seem way tankier now

[deft stump]

Thus, you could, but not enough to get you back to base safely.

[agile moth]

I'd say there is prolly more regen these days than there was before

just not for storm spirit

[rancid geyser]

nah, bloodstone of old outregened even having 4 regen items atm

i checked it

Bloodstone was actually disgusting

[agile moth]

yea for sure i just mean in general

[deft stump]

Bloodstone and OG Kaya.

[rancid geyser]

Kaya is newer to me

[agile moth]

like you dont need blood stone as much these days either

[rancid geyser]

wasnt in the game back when i actually played it a lot

[deft stump]

There was a period before the bloodstone rework.

[rancid geyser]

back then Orchid, Atos, and B.Stone was all you needed to start nuking ppl

a refresher orb too if you were being spicy

to recombo someone else

[deft stump]

You thought bloodstone was disgusting? Think having a perma 15% or so mana cost reduction on top.

[rancid geyser]

yeah i know, I played it a tiny bit. Kaya Sange and Yasha use to turn into 1 big item

with all three of them

that one was removed kinda quick

[deft stump]

Trident.

Used neutral slot as well.

[rancid geyser]

oh yeah neutral items

those are mroe new to me

[agile moth]

did you play before they added talents?

[rancid geyser]

and they added even more

[rancid geyser]

way before

then i came back to try them out

[agile moth]

ok check out the storm spirit talents

[deft stump]

Think you missed facets.

[rancid geyser]

i tried facets. I keep calling them assets though, im dumb

[agile moth]

its pretty insane stuff

[deft stump]

Which I'm sad cos some were very funny.

[agile moth]

oh thats what you meant xD

[deft stump]

THey basically removed them.

[rancid geyser]

yeah my bad

[agile moth]

i was wondering "the f he means by assets was that a mod/custom map?"

[rancid geyser]

there was one that made SP clones move towards ppl

lmao

[agile moth]

i think that is still in, the 25 talent, not sure

[rancid geyser]

also back then levels never went as high

[agile moth]

I mean these days I still only see a lot of maxed lvls on turbo only

which had been my preference for awhile ngl

[rancid geyser]

also back then item stacking was an actual thing atm im not sure you can do it with certain items anymore

[agile moth]

i got tired of getting kidnapped by dota for a 1 and a half hour match

[rancid geyser]

like daedalus

[agile moth]

i think you can still stack daedalus yea

[deft stump]

Now you get kidnapped by Darktide for 60 mins Havoc games.

[rancid geyser]

didnt stack additively on crit chance but the crit damage stacked and each daedalus would roll for a crit seperately

[agile moth]

hell yeaaaah

but that is a lot more consensual and feels less like a kidnapping

[rancid geyser]

of which only half i complete because its people not paying attention

[deft stump]

True, it's havoc, you gotta consent into that hell.

[rancid geyser]

sometimes it is me though cant lie

this week havocs havent been as fun, lots of toxic players

been spoiled playing with pl on the server

[agile moth]

thankfully in game i didnt have many bad experiences yet

only have 7 blocks

[rancid geyser]

not playing with ppl from this server kills me

said i wouldnt do it, but still ended up doing it

[deft stump]

The ppl here are generally nicer than pubs. Pubs are usually silent till you get THAT GUY.

[rancid geyser]

facts!

[agile moth]

had some good experiences in pubs myself, but Idk its prolly gonna get worse at some point lol

[deft stump]

I mean, you can also find ppl from here there. And not everyone is bad but you know what kinda mindset havoc instills.

Extreme toxicity.

[agile moth]

yeah, especially if they really care about ranking up.

mostly I had people that arent as bad with caring though

[deft stump]

From elitism to hating people for not so meta builds to gatekeeping and so on.

[agile moth]

oh yeah for sure

[rancid geyser]

most of them are nice, just live in a different timezone

i find that most of the ppl in havoc, at least the one's that ive played with, are in EU

i am NA 🙁

[rancid geyser]

Had someone get flamed for talking shit about me but being under me on the scoreboard. The Ogryn was defending me and I was happy

for every dick head you will run into 10 good people. Also, Most of the toxicity comes from the players in the lower levels

usually

also learned that there are mods that show you who you've played with before

not sure if that is a good or bad thing

[icy breach]

Eyyy! You did not protest!

[icy breach]

How toxic?

[rancid geyser]

i legit got flamed for not going flamestaff because someone else didnt want to go it. I said i can just get off of it and the ogryn said we can just try it. Mind you I tell people I do not enjoy it and have not played much of it, the guy flaming me said the same. We almost got tot he end and he went down for like the 3rd time and started bitching at me

like he didnt have the option to put it on

I already got my title man, I'm just trying to play and chill