psyker-class

[radiant frigate]

yeah but if "handles crushers" is what you're looking for, fgs is a waste

because it does not like to be a side dish

[coral prism]

force greatsword needs a lot of melee buff but it hits like a truck if it gets them

[radiant frigate]

if that is all you require of your melee weapon in the murder department, dueling sword or 1h force swords fit that nicely, and have much better mobility

[main crow]

Yea but fgs is more stylish

[coral prism]

kinda valid

[radiant frigate]

also implies you have a horde clear ranged, which can only really be a staff, which has negative mobility

[radiant frigate]

valid but it's not good buildcraft

[rancid geyser]

Yeah you want to cover your bases when building

You are usually building for 1 weapon

[coral prism]

Or play with a friend who can cover your weaknesses
Or shoot yourself in the foot and cry

[rancid geyser]

The other's performance tanks a bit, and for heavy weapons the NEED mobility on top of damage investment

[radiant frigate]

it's of course entirely possible to do a fgs + staff build

[rancid geyser]

Yeah. Just feels miserable

Without movespeed

[coral prism]

Slow as a snail lol

[radiant frigate]

i have done this, but the role of fgs was not "kill crushers"

[rancid geyser]

You get left behind easily

[coral prism]

Need the scrier movespeed buff or you want to die

[radiant frigate]

it was "kill everything"

[rancid geyser]

Can't run away or kite as well

[radiant frigate]

at which point you're probably wondering

if fgs kills everything, why staff?

MM uptime because i skipped assail for kf

[rancid geyser]

Kill everything while they are over there and not here

[coral prism]

Does assail do much on higher havoc?

Like range sure but ideally there's a specialist killer like a vet or smth no?

[radiant frigate]

never expect anyone to cover something you don't

[rancid geyser]

^

[coral prism]

Do you only solo queue?

[rancid geyser]

No but it's better when everyone had coverage

[coral prism]

Fair enough

[rancid geyser]

Especially if split

Like someone is down

Separated due to bombs

Bunch of situations

[radiant frigate]

if everyone brings an answer to everything it makes it easier to function independently

[rancid geyser]

Also many players DO NOT prioritize Specials and Elites enough

[radiant frigate]

as opposed to "oh no our special killer got nabbed now we die"

[rancid geyser]

Deserved

[radiant frigate]

having backup is good but good builds will stand on their own

[rancid geyser]

Tired of being the only one on special and elite duty

There are still players that don't break their necks when dogs, mutants, bombers and trappers sound off

[coral prism]

Maybe it's cuz I'm on low havoc but I find that I can just ignore gunners and loop around if I'm isolated

[rancid geyser]

Gunners become an issue only when compounded with other threats being near you

[coral prism]

I only find it troublesome if there's fast tanky specialists like rager/mauler

Otherwise you can get lazy and torch everything down

[radiant frigate]

you can come together with 3 comrades and build a big machine that turns heretics into dead heretics, but if you have 4 smaller machines that turn heretics into dead heretics you won't fall too far behind in dead heretic production if one machine fails, as opposed to the big machine grinding to a halt

[rancid geyser]

Ragers and Maulers die really fast to staves

It's the ogryns that are always ever a problem

[royal falcon]

maulers and who

[radiant frigate]

this concludes the schizopost of the day

[coral prism]

5 maulers catching me with my pants down w/o any dodges + rotten armor 😭

[coral prism]

sorry scab ragers

You're not cool enough to be an issue

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

wh

aw

:(

[rancid geyser]

RIP

[coral prism]

i dont listen for bombers i listen for the chainsaws lmfao

I get folded to maulers more than anything else since ping makes dodging the overhead a pain

[main crow]

Shriek my beloved

[coral prism]

Bubble my beloved

[rancid geyser]

Maulers and Crushers are kill on sight for me, even when on EK and Rotten Armour

[main crow]

Abandon bubble, embrace shriek

[rancid geyser]

Usually have to use dueling sword on rotten Armour though

[coral prism]

Abandon dps, embrace team support

[rancid geyser]

Shriek is team support

[main crow]

Support team by shrieking gunner packs

[rancid geyser]

Removing threats does more than turtling

[coral prism]

Now I have to run and get exercise D:

Can't sit my bum in the backline and hold down m2

[main crow]

I run EK staff so I just zap/ball them

[rancid geyser]

Shriek burn whittles the rotten Armour buff too, kills off chaff. Shriek stuns enemies as well. Less things in the way makes more space for the team

[rancid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-sniper-cat-wizard-cat-gif-8673671005501435745

[main crow]

20 ragers and 20 maulers when you shriek/KF them starting the funny perilous combustion chain

[rancid geyser]

Even without Shriek too you can start thar chain, it's why I Still use SG. Just Amp the living hell out of the KF damage

[robust jacinth]

i love that the reciever is backwards

also i think the stock is an ak banana mag

[rancid geyser]

Pretty sure it is AI, a part of the gun pops up out of nowhere after it fires

[robust jacinth]

it's 100%ai

[coral prism]

Wait you're telling me the barrel of a gun doesn't magically pop out as the bullet travels down it???

[rancid geyser]

It's a pretty good representation of EK surge though, and I love it

[radiant frigate]

no

[radiant frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/134100084554989568/1096857798815518880/Sequence_01_1.gif

[fathom adder]

Support team by killing things
Specialization buys efficiency by selling resilience

[coral prism]

with cliffhanger am i supposed to use the shove to push enemies back or just the stagger knockback?

[white sky]

I used smites little force push at the end of the channel

You can defo do it with shrieks push, I don't think it works if you push with a force sword tho

[coral prism]

what diff did u play on? im worried of just outright killing the enemies on heresy

[white sky]

Auric

I kinda just play on auric tho

I got it specifically on

Yk the mission where the end event is to splice into 3 things then two bridges extend from a tower and you hack one more thing in there?

I threw em off those bridges

[barren arrow]

for clliffhanger easiest way I did it was to get a high intensity event near a bridge and shout them off yeah

[white sky]

Sorry, level names are not my strong suit

[barren arrow]

so true

[coral prism]

i think ik which mission ur talking abt

[coral prism]

ive been trying like

[barren arrow]

I only remember map names if they have a particularly poor cover layout

[coral prism]

chasm logistratum/ascension riser with no success

[white sky]

Once you hack the 4th station with the bridges you run back through a door and it's basically a hallway into a staircase into the end level elevator

Real easy

Any ledge with enough of a drop works tho

[robust jacinth]

this is the only time i will recomend someone use smite. if you stagger a bunch of enemies near a ledge, when you let go of smite the enemies witll fall in the direction you are looking and you can get them to fall off the ledge.

[coral prism]

does high intensity increase the size of fodder hordes?

[barren arrow]

What's the map with the data interrogator end event with the 2 tiny catwalk bridges that extend and then has a 2nd data interrogator?

[coral prism]

think its vigil station oblivium

[barren arrow]

they are particularly small catwalk bridges that extend during the end event

[coral prism]

yeah

i know the map ur referring to

[barren arrow]

anyways high intensity auric horde on that spot is where I got mine iirc

auric means they're less likely to die if you're playing w/ randoms

them having higher health is a good thing for you in this instance

[coral prism]

ill try smite

[barren arrow]

smite is not gonna do nothin for ya gang

[coral prism]

area stagger

idk if shriek knocks far enough

[barren arrow]

It's area freeze

[coral prism]

theres a little push at the end

when the ability finishes

[barren arrow]

It's not going to be consistent enough to get the results you are looking for here

[thorn cedar]

yea smite has knockback

[main crow]

Managed to ledge a boss once, that was funny

[barren arrow]

mang how you do that on psyker

chaos spawn leap shenanigans?

[main crow]

Pretty sure it was mainly teamwork. Chaos Ogryn chased me, ended up next to a ledge and then I hit it with shriek and I think it got hit by a few other things from teammates

[barren arrow]

I don't think shriek deals any stagger to bosses

Does to everything but bosses pretty much

[robust jacinth]

to reiterate "this is the only time i will recomend someone use smite. if you stagger a bunch of enemies near a ledge, when you let go of smite the enemies witll fall in the direction you are looking and you can get them to fall off the ledge."

[barren arrow]

Smite stagger goes where you're looking?

[main crow]

Honestly don’t remember off the top of my head ngl

[barren arrow]

That's actually quite interesting

[robust jacinth]

yes

[thorn cedar]

not what you're looking at, literally matches the direction you're facing

[barren arrow]

But still, I did mine by just pushblocking a little bit in a horde to get them all bunched up, then shrieked them off the ledge.

[spice aurora]

I think smite may linger for a fraction of a sec if you look away but idk

⚡️ ⚡️

[thorn cedar]

it kinda does

i dont really understand the rules when it comes to LoS

[remote shadow]

Can't tell if I'm washed or if the level with the amphitheatre is just the worst map for trying to play flame staff

[royal falcon]

oh yeah no it fucking sucks for inferno, especially at the finale

[remote shadow]

I see I see, I was simply cucked by Quickplay RNG then

It was Auric and I only died once to a gunner pack flank, but the enemies were so sparse that it felt like I was doing frag-all lol

[autumn smelt]

the only thing you should ever be using smite for is to smite something, turn 180, then release so the enemy you were smiting gets knocked back towards you so you can melee them

https://tenor.com/view/scary-face-scary-smile-evil-smile-dog-dog-smile-gif-10042985207602057958

[sonic kiln]

Greetings Siblings, I am Constantine

[wind spruce]

Hi jeff

[plucky flax]

Cursed gif

[ashen edge]

Why are people who ask for havoc quickplay in reddit always like this. We need quickplay so 3 of you have to carry my weakass to the end of mission without me contributing much value to team

[rancid geyser]

oof. Imma be real with you: Havocs are not fun when done through the group finder. Only good experience I've had is over comms, and this is why discord is nice

I've had my fair share of toxic players enough to refuse even using the party finder XD

[fiery stratus]

100 havocs is meaningless

[rancid geyser]

And having bad builds is also part of the process

[rancid geyser]

true

[fiery stratus]

you can do 100 havocs at level 1

means nothing

titles are meaningless narly

nearly

[rancid geyser]

100 games of do the wrong thing only means that you've beaten bad habits into yourself

[fiery stratus]

every true survivor i play with is a decision making dipshit

[rancid geyser]

anyone who thinks hours doing something means knowledge does not understand learning

hours doing the right thing and hours just doing "something" is two different things

and the majority of the player base fall into the latter group

nothing wrong with casual gamers though

[fiery stratus]

theres a lot of people who aren't self aware they're dead weight to the team

[rancid geyser]

eeeh

[fiery stratus]

everytime i use party finder all of my teammates aren't aware

[rancid geyser]

im not gunna go that far

[fiery stratus]

i will

[plucky flax]

I find more fun in group finder.

[fiery stratus]

ive had entire squads who don't know positioning, havoc 40 true survivors

duuh ima push into this shitstorm, i got it

[rancid geyser]

my last experience was two randoms screaming at each other

[plucky flax]

Tbf I just had a scum ragequitted.

So that was fun.

After typing in chat 'bad vet'

[fiery stratus]

i had a guy who was havoc 37 or something get dropped in the first 2 minutes and rage quit

[rancid geyser]

you find that in most games ppl refuse to just take accountability

[summer prairie]

Not 100% sure about this rotation yet but can anyone list the missing map https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/seemingly-only-9-havoc-maps-in-rotation-since-mar-30-patch/121275

[rancid geyser]

like going down and blaming people for not focusing elites/ specials. While people do sometimes struggle to focus them, it only really takes one person to take note of most of them. You can also ask over mic

[plucky flax]

Wanna play a round syllo?

[summer prairie]

Sure

[plucky flax]

Then I gotta run

The vet is sus fr though so yeah don't expect much from him

[rancid geyser]

tbf a lot of people do notice specials and their sounds and just assume someone else will deal with them

it's pretty bad logic and it kills runs

[fiery stratus]

anything I hear i make dead myself asap if I see it

literally anything

People don't watch for bursters, randos not paying attention to audio that its targeting them

like bruh

[rancid geyser]

but again, it only takes some asking to fix -- unless someone chooses to be toxic over mic before you've had any chance to build any rapport

[fiery stratus]

most of my games I try to rally the team, play smart, have everyone stick together, sure enough people split off

randos

im only across the room whats the issue

[rancid geyser]

well the splitting thing is what people practice in their many hours

playing a way i would call wrong

and i have to call it wrong because coherency exists

but if you play 2k hours doing dumb solo melee stuff

it will bleed over into havoc

[fiery stratus]

very correct, but unfortuately this seems like a theme with randoms. Party finder is just a bad system, qp wouldnt be any better

havoc is just poorly designed overall

[rancid geyser]

Havoc isn't badly designed imo

it's people's mindset and them not being cooperative as a whole

most people focus on themselves, and just themselves. Getting numbers up on scoreboard, only playing to not go down and the likes

Some selfish behaviours get developed especially when you become a scoreboard warrior

and when they go down, they start blasting the mic

[fiery stratus]

most of the people im playing with that doesn't seem so much the case, they just don't listen

the fuck are you doing in havoc

[rancid geyser]

everytime ive notcied some guy dying alone in a corner i can just sus out that they are farming numbers

[rancid geyser]

its also been almost a month since the update i think

the sale did bring in a bunch of new players

[fiery stratus]

i dont take hivescum or arbitrators

or console players

or people with dogshit builds

[rancid geyser]

and a lot of them did rush through to get levels and try the end game

[fiery stratus]

i check everything

[rancid geyser]

but chief, hear me out. What makes a build dogshit?

just you not liking it?

[fiery stratus]

they arent pinned in dicord

discord*

[rancid geyser]

that's crazy, lmao

like actually

[fiery stratus]

I know when someones build is clueless

only 3k hours

[plucky flax]

My in game chat always die now.

[fiery stratus]

i actually havent had the chat bug in so long I cant remember the last time

[plucky flax]

I think it might be vpn.

[fiery stratus]

fatshark knows where you are

theyre gonna ddos you when youre clutching h40

error 2014 ddos attack

[rancid geyser]

I will say i have seen some of the pinned builds, and surge surge not having channeled force still bothers me, same for not having PoTS

very much feels like one of those feelstide posts

but that's just my opinion

[fiery stratus]

Some nodes can give and take, but if someones build is whack as fuck using a staff that should have shriek/bubble with warp siphon or something, its gonna be pretty obvious

[rancid geyser]

the amount of damage you get off of those too is way too high to give up if you actually want to kill anything with EK

[kind jay]

i only qp and just pretend the other 3 are bots. then i cna be pleasantly surprised when at least one or more are good

[fiery stratus]

we're talking about havoc randos

different beast

[rancid geyser]

a good build wouldn't change your experience in Havoc pubs though

it's more skill than build

really is

[fiery stratus]

i know, but if someones build is whack as shit they probably arent skilled

i can assure you my only deaths are usually my own mistake when trying to revive the team

having to clutch isnt easy most of the time

[rancid geyser]

yeah, but expecting to win most of the time is just not it either. You might be taking this a bit too harshly

lmao

[fiery stratus]

i know but i expect to win sometimes

not go down ranks

[rancid geyser]

again, they gotta get the experience one way or another

[fiery stratus]

randoms are shit in general

[rancid geyser]

everyone is shit until they aren't 🙂

[fiery stratus]

you might find a few who know what they're doing, but people who know what they're doing overall are already playing their own stacked teams

[rancid geyser]

lets talk about MTG brother, get the fumes out of the room

you;ve vented enough, Havoc is frustrating. But people gotta learn

it will unfortunately be at the expense of others, but that's just the game

[fiery stratus]

randoms are frustrating

the incredibly dogshit matchmaking system is frustrating

randoms in lfg arent any better than qp randoms

[rancid geyser]

you are on this discord

do lfg here

[fiery stratus]

beat you to it

beat you

they're just as bad

[rancid geyser]

really? The ones ive played with are mostly decent imo

only ever really failed with the newer players

mostly because im not the clutching type. I give up easy when alone XD

[fiery stratus]

i'll at least try, basically never actually get it though. Sometimes I get very close though, just depends on the shitstorm

[rancid geyser]

A lot of them are willing to try meta builds too

but im not sure all of the chats have pinned google docs like this one does

maybe the ogryn chat does

[fiery stratus]

its kinda badly organized tbh

[rancid geyser]

I've not really seen many talks of pins in the other chats

[fiery stratus]

the guides are good, but where they're located is weird for some of them

[rancid geyser]

I feel like all the chats should have a google doc like this one

even if i dont fully agree with whats on it, it's a good starting point and helping tool

but that takes a dedicated individual to make one lmao

might be too much to ask for now that I think about it

[fiery stratus]

well they do kinda

as far as I know each individual class should have its own, but then I think theres another one for general human weapons or something idk

[rancid geyser]

look at the vet pins

XD

it's just a steam encyclopedia for the game

[fiery stratus]

brrh

bru

h

[rancid geyser]

yeah buddy

i can see how ppl get lost lmao

or burnt out, trying to learn

[fiery stratus]

yeah some of these i dont really look at

hammer of the emperor has general builds for everything

no havoc builds though

prob about the same

[rancid geyser]

I think general builds are good building blocks for learning the game

which most ppl need atm

imo

[fiery stratus]

ah no there is one example for vet

[rancid geyser]

what you were explaining sounded like lost individuals

so they might need something like that

[fiery stratus]

if people are going to play high havoc you should know what you're doing

especially with true survivor

[plucky flax]

I needed pc

For all those clumped up shotgunners

[summer prairie]

I think the vet forgot he has an ability

[fiery stratus]

gotta save it, what if you need it and dont have it

just fight for your life

thats not a scenario where its needed

[rancid geyser]

the only ability vet has is the G key

delayed blast fireball

[fiery stratus]

eh voc is still a thing, its just a smidge more balanced now

[rancid geyser]

i never press F because there no reason to pay respect 🙂

[plucky flax]

Maybe he had his reason

[fiery stratus]

hes mad

[rancid geyser]

players that do this in havoc should be locked out of playing the mode for the week

no respect

[plucky flax]

Tru

Sometimes I clutch sometimes I don't

Gotta wait and see 😭

[fiery stratus]

nah, because then fatshark servers would dc you and lock you out for a week

[rancid geyser]

roll dem dice

you got this

[rancid geyser]

there is a way to detect people leaving manually

but then again that's if they cared

[fiery stratus]

i know but fatshark

[plucky flax]

I think I am back down to 38 now was supposed to be easy rank up

[rancid geyser]

most of the player base dont even touch havoc

[rancid geyser]

oh, well i dropped a whole 8 levels trying to play with new players

can i mooch?!

[fiery stratus]

more people would like to, but i can tell you party finder and probably rotten armor keep people away

totten, very young armor

[rancid geyser]

rotten armour yeah, i can see that

i still can't tell if it's better or worse after the changes

[fiery stratus]

just an obnovious modifier that doesnt need to exist, just light blight spreads

like*

braindead

[rancid geyser]

if it didnt exist FS would buff the living shit out of HP pools again

I believe this

[deft stump]

Want cancer? Blight, DH, Lights out, Dog spam Chasm logi.

[fiery stratus]

theres other methods they could do

its obnoxious

[deft stump]

Been beating my head on it in pubs, no team gets past the mid event.

[rancid geyser]

Blight also needs to leave

shit is annoying

[fiery stratus]

see

poorly desiged

designed*

enemy aggro and all that is fine overall, thats doodoo

[deft stump]

What's annoying is a zealot refusing to take beacon.

[rancid geyser]

well we know it was poorly desinged after they buffed crusher and mauler health

they had no clue how to make the game more difficult outside of inflating numbers

[fiery stratus]

yep, turn everything into damage sponges, shit i really dislike

[rancid geyser]

blight is actually not poolry designed though

just annoying

[fiery stratus]

fair, it does what its supposed to, its just stupid and shouldnt exist

[rancid geyser]

i think it should only spread a few times, low key

[deft stump]

It is, with the insane masses.

You literally just get forced into bulwark wall.

[rancid geyser]

i will still take blight every day of the week over that shitty pox gas modifier

the worst experience playing DT was Havocs with Pox filled rooms

[fiery stratus]

another case of fatshark thinking annoying difficulty equals fun difficulty

[deft stump]

Nobody wants the most bs specialist getting multiplied by 5x.

[rancid geyser]

oh and Purple Glowing bastards that heal

was so amazing....

[fiery stratus]

fucking stims

[rancid geyser]

stims is fine

[fiery stratus]

at least its not corrupting me

at least they open themselves up

[rancid geyser]

the blessing that heals enemies around them is/was a pain in the ass. They like hiding behind bulwarks and crushers

[fiery stratus]

yep

[deft stump]

Could be tuned down a little. But hit rot with a nerf bat first.

[rancid geyser]

it was tuned down iirc

it use to be far worse XD

[ashen edge]

Also why fatshark prevent us from blocking someone when they are offline. I got some asshole which I remember his ID but can't press the block button because he is now offline

[deft stump]

Oh, I know.

I felt it at 300 ping.

[rancid geyser]

that IS weird ngl

[fiery stratus]

might be able to block through steam or something

[deft stump]

Fatshark coding at play.

[fiery stratus]

idk

havoc is fun but if they could actually get my boy chaos wastes correct i probably wouldnt play anything else

[ashen edge]

Yeah, in normal map with pox gas we do get extra stim. Somehow this is not happening in havoc

[rancid geyser]

i just hope they use the new tech from the new gamemode to design cool maps

i feel like havocs should have their own maps

[fiery stratus]

be nice but pretty unlikely

they were too lazy to even design more than one map for expeditions

[rancid geyser]

unlikely that FS actually listens and give people what they want

yup sounds about right

[fiery stratus]

chances are they'll just keep adding new maps to the normal board and keep putting them in havoc as well

[rancid geyser]

well the maps are modular in a sense

like pre built/generated set peices that the Spawner then shifts things around on them

i like that

but i would love static maps of that size

they legit showed us that they can do it

but for maps that big they also need ot change a few things about snipers and bombers ngl

[fiery stratus]

expeditions has procedurally generated maps but somehow still feels like playing the same game over and over

honestly an achievement of sorts

[rancid geyser]

it's predetermined tilesets, that then get some aspects on them shifter around

slightly lower level that procgen

[fiery stratus]

I know, but that all boils down to no interest

[rancid geyser]

i actually find the mode interesting

[fiery stratus]

like they made all of these tiles and minigames, but everything is so forgettable you wont remember what you just did after you get out of the game

[rancid geyser]

BUT NO ON PLAYS IT

sadly

[fiery stratus]

it has potential but its boring as fuck

its a bethsda game thats a mile wide and an inch deep

[rancid geyser]

they needed more time to cook it

[fiery stratus]

absolutely

[rancid geyser]

just like mortis trials

[fiery stratus]

unfortunately money and greed wont allow these things

[rancid geyser]

as much as i hate the oversaturation of rogue-like spamming that games have been doing, Mortis Trials deserved better

[fiery stratus]

probably higher up decisions needing to push out admech in summer need them to get the expeditions slop out

Mortis trials shouldn't have existed

They should have just spent all of that time coming up with something like chaos wastes which is what people wanted to begin with. They're so afraid of recycling shit, yet they do it all the time. Ironically enough when they dont recycle a lot of times they just shoot themselves in the foot design-wise anyway.

[rancid geyser]

yeah, i say that a lot. But since it does, they shoiuld have continued cooking it

chasing the vampire survivors fad was not the right choice

[fiery stratus]

I'm not even against wave based shooters, I have like 1000 hours in killingfloor games, but they just like quarter bake everything

i dont blame the devs, its always the people at top who need to give us slop then take our money with new classes and cosmetics

havoc was kinda this way too, for the first rotation or whatever it was an abysmal dogshit cover shooter that missed the entire point of the game

[rancid geyser]

funny enough it made me realize that the game had a built in cover system

on some boxes and bumps in the map you can crouch behind them then aim over the edge and the game will have your halfway between standing and crouching, just enough to peek over

releasing aiming puts you back to crouching

[fiery stratus]

pretty sure vet has that as a passive ability actually

[rancid geyser]

oh

really?

[fiery stratus]

something to do with that where he does it even better

i think

dont quote me

[rancid geyser]

it was on the vet when i noticed it ngl

lmao

[fiery stratus]

lmao

prob that then

[rancid geyser]

back to cover though, maps need better designs that have good cover areas

[fiery stratus]

yeah thats just a passive class ability vet has as far as I know

[rancid geyser]

not just for enemies, but for players too

[fiery stratus]

yep

[rancid geyser]

some of the maps have extremely bad open areas

[fiery stratus]

either that or be way smarter about where the ai director places gunners

again another case of fatshark not understand the difference between annoying and fun difficulty

[rancid geyser]

what's that one mission when you are in the trenches?

[fiery stratus]

no mans land

[rancid geyser]

I like the part when you are running across the blast zone

it's actually epic

but the cover design is kind of shite

[fiery stratus]

the map designs are always very good looking, design wise yeah they can leave some things to be desired.

sometimes they do that intentionally though, encourage pushing foward ect

[rancid geyser]

map concept really follows the "lanes" methodology

where every map has several areas that have basically 3-4 lanes

paths you can go through

that area in th eblast zone, is not one of those XD

[fiery stratus]

yeah generally, tracks well with the liner nature of most of the maps

[rancid geyser]

as much as i can see the logic behind the design

[fiery stratus]

well

balancing act, depends what you're playing

[rancid geyser]

get into a whole to avoid LoS from gunners, just to get bombarded or chased out by hounds, Crushers and Mutants

[deft stump]

If it were VS, they did it horribly wrong imo.

[fiery stratus]

honestly I've only failed no mans land a couple times, theres definitely some trap areas

bad areas to get pinched

[rancid geyser]

As much a fad chase for VS as wastes is to HD2. No one could tell me otherwise

[fiery stratus]

its like helldivers, theres a big desert like map

thats the comparison

[rancid geyser]

eeech

time limit, multiple optional objectives

the who extraction and radar thing

[deft stump]

It's just bog standard rogue-like skill selector without the generated rooms.

[rancid geyser]

these are things only HD2 has really done until now

[deft stump]

VS can be played 100% idle if you know what you are doing.

[rancid geyser]

yeah, but i really only think it happened becaust VS made Rouge-like/lite really popular

and im a RoR fan

VS was/is more popular than that game imo

[deft stump]

I mean, fucking free on phone, full base game.

[rancid geyser]

after VS came out a TON of games put similar modes into their own

[deft stump]

Zero ads even.

[rancid geyser]

League did it too lmao

made almost an exact copy of VS

[deft stump]

IAP to max, pay or grind life for chars.

[deft stump]

Oh, that is new then. Didn't bother after looking at wildrift.

[rancid geyser]

I did not know this

[rancid geyser]

it was a limited time game mode

[deft stump]

Is just MLBB but not pay2win stats from skins lul.

[rancid geyser]

like when they used to actually do those following skinlines

like the magic girl [Star Guardian] line

or projekt

It was the Battle Animals line

[deft stump]

I mean, even DOTA2 did it. GF loves playing it.

[rancid geyser]

oof

didnt expect that one

[deft stump]

Thing is coded so poorly if you queued for a game while playing it, DOTA2 crashes.

[rancid geyser]

lmao but i got back into DOTA2 because it had a MH crossover

[deft stump]

I know. Peeked in.

[rancid geyser]

i need/want that Zinogre set for Windranger

[deft stump]

Now I have 2x Wei

Thanks Valve.

I can't delete the second.

[rancid geyser]

2x Wei?

[fiery stratus]

thanks obama

[rancid geyser]

what that?

[deft stump]

AM persona.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-politics-thanks-obama-gif-5262539

[deft stump]

I hurt myself that year to get Wind Arcana.

Wei was just the persona that pass.

Wei, QoP, Boneking and Wind.

The MH event basically gave you the Wei persona for free if you logged in on Xmas week.

[rancid geyser]

rip

i stopped playing when i missed the invoker persona

so a long time ago XD

[deft stump]

You want?

[rancid geyser]

DONT YOU DARE!

[deft stump]

I have extra cache with it.

Comes with the persona.

[rancid geyser]

I will regain all my sweat skills in that game if i get it lmao

[rancid geyser]

some of these things im not knowledgeable on thoug

is that a trading thing?

[deft stump]

I became too lazy to trade or sell cache anymore.

Gift trade, so need to be steam friends for a month.

[rancid geyser]

I have to reenable trade at some point

im not sure anyone could even request or gift tbh, because at one point my account was hacked, I shut everything off on it XD

[deft stump]

No clue. I have 2x Angel of Vex and 1x Magus Mimicry.

[rancid geyser]

I sent you my steam code, but yeah i would still have to figure out how to unlock all of those

apparently i CAN get gifts

just cant trade

atm

[deft stump]

Basically rubick cosplay or cupid.

[rancid geyser]

who vex?

[deft stump]

Look them up on google.

They are caches with the persona.

[rancid geyser]

I log in everytime a new hero comes out, but always fail to remember them lmao

OH antimage is a chick now?!?!

lmao

and they have a male Phantom Blade persona

nice

[deft stump]

That's his persona. PA is male.

CM is dog.

With dog.

[rancid geyser]

this one ive seen

i have the dog pet lmao

unless its a different one than the ice pup

[deft stump]

Persona is a dog.

Not kidding.

[rancid geyser]

i just saw it XD

wtf

[deft stump]

To be exact, a wolf.

But you know.

[rancid geyser]

if i got that invoker i would sweat so hard on the game again XD

it's adorable, and looks funny in game

do all the hair pieces work on it, like if i wanted to give him the goku hair?

[fading patrol]

This the tattoo or sth similar i forgot?

[deft stump]

No. The goku hair kid version is a limited time set.

[fading patrol]

Its been 6 years since i last played

[deft stump]

From memory.

[rancid geyser]

fresher than me XD

[deft stump]

Arcana.

[fading patrol]

Different one for the kid iirc

[deft stump]

Gave her BOOBAS.

Valve broke base model wind boobas.

[rancid geyser]

the WR personal looks sick

and you can use it with the MH set?!

[deft stump]

Still broken last I checked.

[fading patrol]

I think its the only time i spend monies for bp
Other ones i just grind away

[deft stump]

Arcana.

[rancid geyser]

oh

okay my bad

[deft stump]

It's $150 or so in the market.

Buy that newish UR set with it.

[fading patrol]

Now i dont care anymore might as well some $$ hats

[rancid geyser]

hmm, locked accounts can still buy, but not sell

lmao

interesting valve

[deft stump]

Only broke myself trading... I did get lucky pulling an UR I sold for $120~ though.

[deft stump]

Dunno if DOTA2 gifts will work or not.

Funny how Magus Mimicry is cheaper than Angel of Vex in the grey market rn.

One looks better than the other.

Then again, people wanted that stupid octopus head NP cache.

[fading patrol]

Idk i sold pudge moustache ages ago

Theres still the wr birb and one more $$ item i havent sole

[rancid geyser]

it's fine if you can't

I was a toxic gamer back when I played Dota 2. Probably better I dont get back into it XD. Still got some of the toxins left in me

[fading patrol]

Enough for one game

[deft stump]

I think the most ex thing I have is bonesaw for pudge. I don't even play pudge.

[deft stump]

I just played custom games after a point.

They nerfed jungle like 3 times so blep.

[rancid geyser]

yeah i saw that jungle isnt really a thing anymore

just a little side farm after a few mins in game

[deft stump]

I know, I got 3 at $27~... in trade.

They were worth $80+ when I remembered about them.

[deft stump]

More, core for neutrals but eh.

[deft stump]

Osky or the other unusual. Osky is like $55 now. Too expensive tbh.

[fading patrol]

Mr rich guy

[fading patrol]

Never been a thing since 10 years ago?
Unlike LoL with dedicated jungler and forced shoving heroes into their role

[deft stump]

Not really, I just resold the extra cache I had like two years back trying to get a base set.

Got a very rare, they go for $24-$50~.

[fading patrol]

Wait theyre valued sth rn?
It used to drop in price ages ago, good find

[deft stump]

Yeah. I heard of the price drop, was too poor then to pick one up.

They went for $23~.

5-7 keys.

[fading patrol]

Greevils

[deft stump]

Those are still worth meh.

Unless you got a popular one.

Talking about the droid spider.

[rancid geyser]

last time i played the game seriously has been over 10 years ago. But even back then it wasnt a neccessary thing. You could go Offlane, Jungle, Mid, Carry and Support OR Offlane, Mid, Carry and double Support.

was on the Skidmore Collegiate team XD

I only return to check up on the changes when I'm bored of LoL

[deft stump]

Oh and you might wanna look at box prices.

They generally went up for battlepass ones.

Timebreaker fell in value though.

New immortal mace.

Even Mjollnir fell.

Btw, if you dare to do third party greymarket trades, your 2016 or so cache are worth $80+ each.

They are extremely rare now, so supply is crazy low.

And they are one time gifts, so no retrading.

[rancid geyser]

.>

[deft stump]

Yeah. Doom specifically is crazy priced. Saw it hit $400 once.

Is now $120 lowest.

USD btw.

I think that Russian DOTA gift trade site made the rest way cheaper.

Just Doom stayed high.

[fading patrol]

They nuked the particles now my blue greevil suck ass

[deft stump]

Wat? Boneofimba asked about value.

[deft stump]

They broke most particles lul.

[fading patrol]

The old trilane / jungle + suicide offlane
Now they shoved it to 2 1 2 and give teleport games on the side

[fading patrol]

Doxxing

[deft stump]

I do sell cache on the side, maybe. I mostly just ask for at least box price unless is popular hero.

[fading patrol]

Maybe later no mood to do sth on the side
Work turning super busy rn

[deft stump]

Naw DotagiftX.

Under sell all cache and giftables. So old values got nuked.

Mostly cos they made it easier for a buyer to find a seller.

[rancid geyser]

back then when i was on suicide lane i would go undying, always trading 1 for 1 or 1 for 2

before he got nerfed

good times

very toxic

[fading patrol]

Ez reincar rn
Also stupid teams group up for decay

[rancid geyser]

when the shield item was still in the game undying was next to unkillable lmao

[deft stump]

Even trading is toxic. Everyone wants profit, even the buyers.

[fading patrol]

Pms?

[rancid geyser]

shield + an early soulring and the enemy supports would be useless if not roaming

[fading patrol]

Block is built in fot melee rn

[rancid geyser]

yeah is saw that, but it's slightly less right?

[deft stump]

Feel like he stopped playing before that.

[rancid geyser]

or is it flat damage knockoff?

on ranged attacks?

[fading patrol]

Free 250 gold worth just for being melee is good stuff
Then again idk how valuable it is these days

[rancid geyser]

if block is built in im assuming vanguard is gone now

[fading patrol]

Nah still exist

[deft stump]

Pretty sure you can still make that.

[rancid geyser]

lmao tf does it do now then?

[deft stump]

Better blocking.

[fading patrol]

50% chance to block 16
Stout shield is 50% for 20 iirc?

[rancid geyser]

hmm

isnt most of the amage in game also magic now?

[fading patrol]

Vg is 60% for 50
Halved block for ranged

[rancid geyser]

though i know they added more physical spells

[deft stump]

Still useless on Tidehunter.

[rancid geyser]

and a new item that does physical DoT

got rid of assets too from what i heard

[deft stump]

That new max hp item?

Think magical.

[rancid geyser]

never really liked assets when i saw them

[deft stump]

Is a boss buster though.

[rancid geyser]

the carry item

[deft stump]

Hilariously broken in customs.

I only play Horde mode still so...

[deft stump]

Yeah max hp DoT.

Basically, bosses die in x seconds.

Like why all customs nerf Necro to heck.

Anything dies in 25 secs longest.

[rancid geyser]

it scales well with decimator im assuming?

or medallion if that's back in the game?

it comes and goes

[deft stump]

No clue. Last time I pubbed was when you could go jungle at lvl 3 as blood and gank at 6.

[sleek wing]

I need a psyker expert because it's my least favorite class and it's my least played class, so I'm here to ask people who main the class.

I just played with both Venting Shriek and Crystalline Will in one build in a game, I'm right now trying to get the penance for the class since it's one of the last that I need to complete.

so I'm trying to use builds where I can get as many and work on as many penance at the same time and I actually in this game got the achievement / penance "going out with a bang" very nice

but something strange happened in the mission? I just played, I got a wound even though I used Venting Shriek before I blew up.

so I'm curious. can "crystallizing will" be bad because it seemed like it triggered faster than I could use Venting Shriek???

[summer prairie]

yes

if you are just going for that penance, crystalline will is just going to complicate things

[dusk timber]

Crytaline will is bad is just bad

Calling it a meme is being generous

[sleek wing]

I think that's a little tough, I could see it being useful if you stand in a group of enemies and your constantly using your powers so you gonna explode

anyway but yeah it seems it actually shortens the time window to save yourself by two seconds

[sleek wing]

well thanks, but like I said I got the achievement very nice and I don't think there's anything else involved would you blowing up? right???

[dusk timber]

Any psyker player that is halfway decent is not exploding at all

[sleek wing]

anyway I am going to remove it because I just equipped it because in my head it would make it easier to get this because I wouldn't get down when blowing up

[summer prairie]

I selectively read

[sleek wing]

[rancid geyser]

it's very weird

but as you go up in diff you realize that it isn't as good as you thought, maybe. Even if the bumped up the damage it would still be awkward imo

[rancid geyser]

das crazy... Not even on accident, like ever?

when I got back that nerf was eating away at my sanity ngl XD

[cosmic cobalt]

jad proc right as you're about to cast

[rancid geyser]

if only I weren't bad

but I like Just a Dream

[cosmic cobalt]

outside that very specific situation yeah

skill issue

[rancid geyser]

tbf anytime im blowing up is usually when im sleepy. But that 1st week when i got back i was the heaviest psyker -- uncarryable.

[sleek wing]

because enemies have more health? but shouldn't it become better with higher difficulties because there's more elites meaning if you're about to blow up there's a high likelihood of an elite being there? meaning you won't take corruption when blowing up

[dusk timber]

Not to mention shriek and scrier's both can prevent explosions in said very specific situation

[dusk timber]

You still need to kill the elite with increased hp

Its better to learn better peril management than relying on crystaline will

[sleek wing]

yes which could be an issue indeed but you can prematurely just deal a little bit damaged to them and thanks to the new health bar mod it's very easy to see how close they are to die before blowing up

[rancid geyser]

i mean it goes from 600 damage to 1200 damage

and thats at the epicenter of the explosion

basically have to be right on top of enemies for that damage to happen

kinda

[sleek wing]

anyway the talent is not that great simply because it's shortens the time you have to save yourself before taking corruption damage which is bad and I would personally suggest they make it so it only triggers at the end of the animation of your blowing up instead of for some reason two seconds into the animation

[rancid geyser]

and that 1second is stil enough to take multiple hits

overloading is just bad

you should always pref never seeing an overload frame

[cosmic cobalt]

crystalized will is also 1 talent point better spent elsewhere

[sleek wing]

by the way it does seem like it has other nice appeals like they certainly buff it since last time I saw it

[rancid geyser]

they did

[dusk timber]

Nah crystaline is just a meme at best

[rancid geyser]

but it's still a meme

[dusk timber]

Even after the buff

[sleek wing]

well what would they need to change to make it not a meme? beyond for some reason fixing this prematurely applying corruption damage

[rancid geyser]

remove it from the tree and give us something more useful like what they did with a few other talents

[dusk timber]

Replace it with a completely different talent

[rancid geyser]

twin!

[dusk timber]

Buffing the overload explosion will always be relegated to meme tier no matter what they do

[sleek wing]

I disagree I think it's very nice to have something that prevents you from going into the down stage

[quartz barn]

Nah we need a couple trap perks

Unlucky for some

[rancid geyser]

we already have that

quelling

[dusk timber]

You can also do that by just not having shit peril management

[rancid geyser]

Scrier's Gaze upgrade too

[rancid geyser]

like not to be mean, but i think it was put in the game as a funny sort of crutch except it ends up killing you more times than helping you for most players

[sleek wing]

like I wish the other classes especially if the zealot had something similar in the middle for taking a wound without being down

[rancid geyser]

if zealot had something like that it would get abused

pretty sure XD

[sleek wing]

I mean that's why I wanted and specifically in the middle tree

[jovial juniper]

Make psyker explosion nuke the map

[rancid geyser]

change peril mechanice to something like they have in Rogue Trader

there is a chance to blow up

or spawn bosses and damage teammates

[kind jay]

make it do random stuff when you explode. like spawn 17 active demonhosts or rain 600 celerity stims

[rancid geyser]

🙂

then everyone will hate bad spykers

it should attact deamons even if you vent if the overload animation starts

that'll learn ya

[jovial juniper]

I pitched the idea of Veil too
Make a single Scriers psyker ruin the fun for every other psyker in the lobby

[rancid geyser]

in all fairness i wish we had a generic tree for each class and a subclass specific tree

because we are missing a few psyker abilities

need me some biomancy

then i would probably like melee

[kind jay]

isn't smite biomancy

[rancid geyser]

almost certain it's not

there is an upgrade in DT named after one of the abilities Enfeeble though

but biomancy is basically just buffs and debuffs

and uuh, blood boil

oh i was wrong

shiiiiit

yeah i looked it up lmao

[kind jay]

yeah. i get what you're saying though

[jovial juniper]

Mortis Trials has the BB applies bleed and burn indulgence

Which is funny

[kind jay]

i wish we could get mortis stuff in normal maps as a mode

[rancid geyser]

yeah, i drifted to Scrier's gaze anyway because Divination is my favorite

in this game we didnt get the full ability me thinks

no benefit to teammates

unless you count killing everything

[kind jay]

i see silent maulers mauling you in your future

that'll be tree fiddy

[royal falcon]

maulers be like "it's mauling time" and then cave your skull in with a silent overhead

[rancid geyser]

you lied! It was Ragers!

[kind jay]

need a mod to replace crusher overhead sound with "it's clobbering time"

i replaced plasma gunners with "ima firin my lazer"

[royal falcon]

replace all rager sounds with "death will be sweet, but not for you"

[jovial juniper]

Awooooo 🗣️

[kind jay]

all enemy sounds replaced with buzzz buzz buzz buzz

[jovial juniper]

Scab Rager awoooo 10 hours

[quartz barn]

We just need chaos wastes

[kind jay]

even better

[fathom adder]

Even when Fatshark does something right they just cannot fucking learn from their past actions

[urban meteor]

Should I do Combat Blade instead of any Force thing?

'Cause I actually miss double daggering, it seems the closest one

[agile moth]

do I dump on damage for combat knife on psyker?

[jovial juniper]

Mobility

[jovial juniper]

Anything you feel like running tbh

[agile moth]

why would i dump on mobility if i am not using it for anything but mobility lol

[summer prairie]

You can dump penetration, damage or mobility, doesn't matter much

[jovial juniper]

Because it adds barely anything past 56%

So mobility

But

Here's a secret

You can dump penetration

But you have to run uncanny

Which you'll be doing anyways

[agile moth]

not really i will not be using it for damage

but thanks

[rancid geyser]

they are assuming you're actually going to be using it in Havoc

otherwise it really doesn't matter

mobility is the least effective stat out of the lot imo

even if you are only taking it for the mobility it gives you in game

[jovial juniper]

Anyways

There's only 2 weapons that dumps damage

Zealots Flamer

Hiver fent pistol

[rancid geyser]

Ogryn Grenade Gauntlet

lmao

[jovial juniper]

That one simply doesn't count

Bro really hit me with the

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-three-gif-19489818

[jovial juniper]

No but like fr

It's a ranged weapon with 4 stats only

On top of that it's barely a ranged weapon

Pinpoint Accuracy:

https://tenor.com/view/strong-woman-encanto-lifting-weights-lifting-piano-rearranging-furniture-gif-22407158

[radiant frigate]

bullshit with 5 damage stats

send this thing into the abyss

[jovial juniper]

It's a ranged weapon with 3 stats only if you think about it

No actually 2

Nevermind 1

[dusk timber]

its a ranged weapon

[jovial juniper]

Actually it's a ranged weapon

💀

Actually

It's a melee weapon

[cosmic sigil]

It's a ballistic weapon

[wraith sphinx]

Why are you a default skin higui now

[jovial juniper]

Oh yeah
Crashed out over irl stuff, don't worry about it
Decided to reset my mind for a while

[wraith sphinx]

Take it easy and stay safe

[cursive shell]

gonna be out of country for ~10 days

they gonna take my 40 from me?

[dire wharf]

Yes

And your gear

Your kidneys too

[crisp ether]

Literally just play any havoc game before you head out and you should be good

As far as I know, you don't even have to win

Just check the mark that you're active in Havoc still

[cursive shell]

yeah but I leave Friday the 8th, and I get back Tuesday the 19th. Havoc resets every Sunday evening right? So it'll reset on the 10th, and then again while I am still away on the 17th. Don't I have to play a havoc match sometime between the 10th and the 17th to not derank?

[candid temple]

buy a steamdeck and play a game on the go

Or visit a pc cafe and geforcenow it or something.

[wind spruce]

Classic ask for info receive advice L

[rich spindle]

You’re gonna want to make sure you have wildfire on

[urban meteor]

Called some Opressor out for being terrible

then he literally retried with me and intertwined with me in a romantical level

It was pretty epic too, it was that train level and we stopped it last 30 secs

[kind jay]

when i have a bad team i just alt f4 and go drown my sorrows in cake

i also do that with a good team

[cosmic cobalt]

the deck run 23 fps on heresy it not gonna survive h40

💀

[cursive shell]

I didn't even ask for advice, I just wanted to make sure that my understanding was correct!

i will simply get it back when I return

[dire wharf]

I wish i had some cake

[kind jay]

i still have a bit left

[hoary vapor]

combat knife

[urban meteor]

This is actually so sad to see

The game's awesome and all

but what is the optimization? where is it?

I understand that the game is fairly complete but my high-ish end machine is suffering through it

if I don't have frame generation on, I'm just being like, Naoya

24 fps tops

[hoary vapor]

wheres omni man

but yeah the game runs like ass

actually

epilepsy and allat

deleted

[urban meteor]

50 fps on the karking lobby

God be merciful on this poor computer

it actually hurts if I keep my hand on it, shit's on fire

[candid temple]

Do you mean in the ship or character selection menu?

wait, you're not talking steamdeck

do you have raytracing enabled maybe?

[cosmic cobalt]

raytracing might still be enabled even when you disable it in the setting btw

[urban meteor]

Allegedly, it's disabled

[candid temple]

that's relatively normal, modern gpus run at 60-80c, depending on your ambient temps/cooling solutions, they are like mini heaters.

[urban meteor]

I'm actually supposed to have an outside cooler

Just to help out

but it didn't get sent, they sent my money back, but I didn't ever try to buy again, so forever I'll burn

[wind spruce]

Exactly my point haha

[crisp ether]

Oh. Well shit

[deft stump]

You need to check in the files on it. Mine was on even when it's off in the ingame settings.

[deft stump]

Optimisations? What Optimisations?

[deft stump]

Problem is, it makes them run at 98c.

[candid temple]

That's a cooling issue then.

[deft stump]

Not really, even Cyberpunk ran at 80c.

And that's modded to heck.

[candid temple]

Not sure what you mean.

[deft stump]

HD mods.

[candid temple]

All that matters is gpu load & power draw.

[deft stump]

More draw when you have HD mods.

[candid temple]

not really.

[deft stump]

Strain?

[candid temple]

hd mods are relevant for vram

[thorn cedar]

yay thunderstorm

gimme da raaain

[candid temple]

unless you are on lower resolutions, your GPU should be running at 100% load with most visually demanding games.

In any case, if your darktide makes your gpu run at 98c and your cyberpunk makes it run at 80c, then something is very wrong.

[deft stump]

Yeah, but talking about below low Darktide shouldn't be straining it THAT badly.

[candid temple]

entirely system configuration dependent

[deft stump]

Other games run below that 'stock'.

[candid temple]

this still applies regardless

[deft stump]

Unless unreal 5.

Then depends on if someone remembers to turn off certain 'features'.

[deft stump]

Also, you have to remember that Room temp is on avg, 34c. It's not going to be cold unless you can afford Aircon... and even then.

Or I guess, water cooling.

[candid temple]

Low doesn't necessarily matter if you're still gpu limited.
Especially if you haven't limited FPS.

You lower settings -> gpu will still work just as hard, just instead of 90fps, you get 120 fps or 150 fps or whateveer.

[cosmic cobalt]

a game shouldn't make your shit throttling

💀

[deft stump]

It is limited.

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean look at crimson desert it run well

[candid temple]

properly cooled system, sure

[deft stump]

72 FPS cap.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah sure

[candid temple]

34c ambient temp doesn't help ofc

[cosmic cobalt]

proper cooling doesn't fucking solve the issue of this game is not optimized

[deft stump]

Thing is. I manage to get sub 30 FPS at times on this game.

[candid temple]

game optimization, is not responsible for 98c temps.

[cosmic cobalt]

it is

[candid temple]

...

[deft stump]

It is when it overworks it via caculations and such. Because the CPU is basically boiling water as well.

[thorn cedar]

not how that works

[candid temple]

You know what, sure, lets ignore how cpu and gpu cooling works and you're right, a badly optimized game, will somehow cause a gpu hit 98c at 100% gpu load, while a "well optimized" game, will somehow make it stay at 80c, at 100% gpu load.

[cosmic cobalt]

idk man i have a 4070 and the game run like dogshit and make my machine throttling im starting to think it might not be an issue on my end

yes repasted and cleaned like a month ago

[thorn cedar]

ngl most of yall are just shit at computers and that's fine

im not an expert at fridges and i have to use one every day

[deft stump]

Still doesn't explain why other games don't basically put it to boiling water temps.

[urban meteor]

Anyone know if Souldrinker counts for kills on flamed enemies? or just dead by the flame?

[swift stag]

Proper cooling your GPU and CPU can be maxxed for hours on end and not reach TJ Max just sayin

[thorn cedar]

if your components are hitting high temps its probably designed for that. otherwise there is something terribly wrong with the component itself

[deft stump]

While being able to run at 60-120 FPS fine.

[thorn cedar]

thermal throttling is entirely normal and a safety feature

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah but there no game outside of hd2 and darktide make my gpu hit even 90

[jovial juniper]

If enemy ablaze dies
Procs souldrinker

[urban meteor]

Perfect, thanks

[thorn cedar]

yea, to anything while on fire

[swift stag]

However some games do tax more and current standard out of the box voltages are insane and recommend anyone to undervolt your CPU at least intel can't speak much for AMD

[thorn cedar]

AMD is rated for 85c for CPUs

[cosmic cobalt]

first thing i did when i got my machine is undervolt both of them

[thorn cedar]

You should still undervolt everything really, for longevity

[swift stag]

depends some AMDs have a TJMAX of 95c now

[thorn cedar]

yea the mobile chipsets usually

[cosmic cobalt]

95c is the standard iirc

[thorn cedar]

or maybe threadrippers or some shit idk

mine is deffo set for 85 tho, R7

[swift stag]

But I keep my temps below 80c at all time I throw everythging and the kitchen sink to acheive that with cinebench on CPU

[cosmic cobalt]

you can use throttlestop to change it

[deft stump]

I know mine throttles at 92.

[cosmic cobalt]

which you're using to undervolt anyway

[deft stump]

Darktide is literally the only game I have that trips it.

[swift stag]

But I also don't have a new CPU I have a 10900k OCed to 5.1 and even then I don't get anwyehre near the the Voltage intel used out of the box

[cosmic cobalt]

you should undervolt intel to like 1.4v max since uh

cpu go boom

[swift stag]

I have it set to 1.35v atm

[cosmic cobalt]

the default can go up to 1.7v?

which is fucking crazy

[swift stag]

yeah its wild.

the auto boost or whatever its trademarked as that aims to reach 5.3ghz can get to a wild 1.9v

yeah no wonder my CPU gets cooked even with a 420 rad

Fixed that super quickly

But for GPU sense IDK what to say why it would reach above 80 beyond not enough airflow. I don't use water cooling for it. Im still using a legacy HAF 932 so its not really built for that or at least accessible anymore.

Two rad configratuion would be crazy

Today my max GPU temp is 62c at max load in a UE5 game

[deft stump]

I thought you can't overclock the stock version of a ninth gen i7?

So it's always been running at stock or under.

[swift stag]

any non k variant you can't. I still think you can turn off turbo boost but idk

i always owned k versions

my 2500k was tired getting a OC of 4.1 xD

[deft stump]

They actually had a price difference here... So I got the cheapest.

[deft stump]

Is that the unstable speed ramp ups?

[swift stag]

Turboboost is a built in OC intel attempts to achieve. I think 9th gen wa sup to 4.9 and 10th is 5.3

It will throttle/adjust as demand/temperture chages.

[deft stump]

4.7, I think.

[swift stag]

Again never had it before I got mine. So I skipped 8 generations and fuzzy on how it works but because I have the ability to manually OC I disabled it immediately because it reached 90C immediately after I put it together

[deft stump]

I wonder if it's linked to the RAM used. It used to be lower with my old RAM.

[swift stag]

but I was using a 240 rad at the time so that was part of the reason, after i upgraded to my current rad still capped and I just undervolted it

[fluid pulsar]

Does the warp resistance from Psyker's melee affect their staff warp resistance as well?

[rancid geyser]

no

only the amount of peril you build up when using the weapons abilities specifically

[fluid pulsar]

ok great 80 mobility 60 warp resist is correct then for the melee i mean

[rancid geyser]

probably 60 warp on everything that has it tbh

i find very little reason to have it on 80, as it makes pretty nominal difference in how many more activations you get for whatever builds peril on a weapon

[hallow vector]

yeah the game just fards

[potent echo]

98 is very scary

[deft stump]

It did it even with extra fans on it, so while it might be partially my system and the heat here, but it's the only game that pushes it to near water boil.

[potent echo]

I don't use Intel and I heard they do run alot hotter than AMD

[indigo tangle]

realized i wasted time rolling for the wrong staff so i went back and got it on the first try

praise the omnissiah

[fluid pulsar]

Why 60 warp resistance tho?

Isnt that like....your ammo?

I'd rather have Quell Speed to 60

[quartz barn]

Lower warp res is better for peril management

Plus you want to spend as little time as possible on quelling

[fluid pulsar]

How? I assume you wanna benefit from Warp Rider

[indigo tangle]

I just look up "(weapon) dump" in the search bar in this server and do what people say tbh

i assume so you can reach 80% peril for warp nexus quicker

[kind jay]

in general, psykers benefits are better with higher peril

tapping quell is enough

[fluid pulsar]

yea so why the heck do we need 80 quell? I still don't understand why 60 warp resist is optimal...

This game really does surprise you with its weird meta mechanics ngl

[rancid geyser]

again, remember my response

warp res is usually the least useful

[kind jay]

simply put it's easier to raise peril with 60 res

if you're spamming shriek for example you're constantly nerfing yourself