psyker-class

[crisp ether]

Because Scrier's counts down while active

[radiant frigate]

here you go, actual number
20% peril gen reduction
10% quell on HS kill

[crisp ether]

Unlike rampage

[cosmic cobalt]

no actual in game uptime

as in average gaze stack with bcob vs without

[thorn cedar]

like my uptime is pretty much however long i want it to be with a staff + mim cause you can just walk around quelling indefinitely

[cosmic cobalt]

we're talking about melee psyker what does staff have anything to do with this

[thorn cedar]

you can't really do a whole lot once you stop but i can do that if i desire

yes exactly, lmao

[verbal thistle]

Man

I wanna finish my psyker solo

[crisp ether]

So in practice, BCOB is honestly perfectly fine to weigh against Scrier's because even if you do get to the point where Scrier's is beating BCOB's quelling, you're most likely gonna just have Scrier's available so fast that it doesn't matter.

[verbal thistle]

But I got too busy....

[cursive shell]

to clarify a bit, I'm looking to greedily eke out every bit of damage I can in H40. Like the great icarus I want to top the damage chart even more than I already am, but I can't do that if my wax wings melt (my non-DS melee lacks parry capability and I die to a crusher overhead)

[cosmic cobalt]

you can find a job

[verbal thistle]

I already have a job

[cursive shell]

With that said, is FGS a pair of wax wings?

[thorn cedar]

like what magic uptime number would suffice because the actual hypothetical length is irrelevant, it just needs to last for the combat and it totally will

[crisp ether]

If Scrier's CD didn't start while the ability is active

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah but my initial argument is that taking bcob is not worth the minor increase of gaze stack and wasting a talent point when you can better spent it elsewhere

not scrier uptime

stack,

not uptime

[cursive shell]

I thirst for the ability to kill everything fr fr, but not if it means I get dead in doing it

[crisp ether]

But its pretty much guaranteeing that your Scrier's uptime can be outright permanent.

[thorn cedar]

nothing ends up wasted, warp splitter point goes to bcob, owtw becomes JaD or anticipation, warp rider becomes whatever the fuck you want but vulnerable minds is a good choice

[cosmic cobalt]

it's already permanent without bcob

😭

[crisp ether]

It's not.

[cosmic cobalt]

there enough shit in havoc

• pa

[crisp ether]

You still have to quell in the midst of combat to keep Scrier's going

BCOB completely nullifies this requirement.

So you can just swing away and by the time you've hit that threshold where Scrier's is going to outpace BCOB, the ability is already available again.

I'm not saying that you should always use it.

But more that BCOB works in tandem with Gaze a lot better than some people realize.

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean like you have to sacrifice something for bcob

[thorn cedar]

you don't

[cosmic cobalt]

this is already 30 points

[thorn cedar]

youre quelling almost to zero dude

[rancid geyser]

Good thing that optimizing something in this game is mostly based on feels and player playstyle. Not actually what would most likely be the best, just the best for what you are looking for

[thorn cedar]

so why would you take warp splitter

[cosmic cobalt]

uh hello?

cleave?

[thorn cedar]

lmao

youre kinda hopeless

ngl

[cosmic cobalt]

do you play on like heresy or something

[deft stump]

Points at inf cleave special.

[cosmic cobalt]

maybe im just too havoc brained

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah you still have to kill shit in order to have it up

[thorn cedar]

no you're just too myopic on your own build

[cosmic cobalt]

and 4x hitmass on horde enemy in havoc

[thorn cedar]

its like hearing your coworker say he's going biking this weekend and you spend the next hour befuddled with them because hello??? cars exist???

[cosmic cobalt]

that not even remotely close but ok

[thorn cedar]

it is doing something different

it is not complex

[rancid geyser]

you know hitting more dudes but dealing 4 or 5 damage doesn't help as much as you'd think right?

just kill what you can already hit faster 🙂

[cosmic cobalt]

??????

[rancid geyser]

kill them faster, not tickle more dudes 🙂

[cosmic cobalt]

cleave also increase cleave damage distribution so its dealing more damage to enemy and dealing damage to more enemy

[rancid geyser]

why use sword when bang bang stick is right there?

[cosmic cobalt]

this entire fucking conversation started with melee psyker

on god read

there is no staff here

😭

[rancid geyser]

nah, see

that's the problem

Need/Want cleave cause no staff. Sounds like a situation forced onto one's self

[cursive shell]

aight I'm sticking with dueling sword

[deft stump]

You can just try the rest and see yourself.

[cursive shell]

from the convo above it sounds like either the GS or BS lead to dying more often than never, which is in direct conflict with my desire to not die

1. Do a lot of damage
2. Take no damage

also inb4 just get good at the game - if I wanted to be good, I'd play zealot!

[rancid geyser]

Then you just have to learn

Dueling Sword isn't a bad start tbh

but its not like you are learning anything by using it if you already have on other classes though

[deft stump]

Skill issue to some level. Seen FGS psykers do just fine even in H40.

[rancid geyser]

^

in all fairness on psykers you only really see 4 weapons

[deft stump]

FS is even more defensive, deimos anyway.

[rancid geyser]

FGS, Deimos, Combat Blade or the Duelling Sword

don't think ive seen any other melee on psykers in the past week tbh

[cosmic cobalt]

fgs have almost no weakness that why

[deft stump]

Obscurus is seen as well for those that like a little more complexity vs Deimos and a faster TTK.

[cosmic cobalt]

on staff you only use either fs or ds

depend on if you want superiority or mobility

[rancid geyser]

then there is me, still using the illisi

but it's rare that i actually have to melee lmao

[deft stump]

Deimos is just, l1 h2 crushers and laugh.

[rancid geyser]

laugh as they are on the ground still taking up space (nervous laughter)

[cosmic cobalt]

also this is false lol, obs is simple as hell

[deft stump]

It has mobility issues, but you can compensate for it.

[deft stump]

Not vs Deimos.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah except anticipation exist and is free on melee psyker

[cosmic cobalt]

it's literally the same as most melee in this game

very simple pattern for horde and st

[rancid geyser]

see and this is why i like power sword

[deft stump]

Special, push atk, l, l.

[rancid geyser]

or special light, light

both serve 2 specific purposes

only versitile weapon imo that is good at both jobs

deimos is ass into hordes

that attack pattern is ass

also don't like the obscurus either tbh

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean fs is a stat stick so it doesn't matter much on staff

[deft stump]

To be fair, you have burny stick or self traumatising stick for that.

[cosmic cobalt]

you only need it to get uncanny stack up + superiority

[deft stump]

You only pull it out to poke crushers.

[rancid geyser]

sure, but still, being spoiled with a weapon like the Power Swords and their moveset makes me not like so many melee weapons

like actually lmao

[cosmic cobalt]

psword being broken as fuck is an outliner

[rancid geyser]

not even mentioning the power btw

just the moveset

literally just the move set

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah and most weapon in the game have simple as hell moveset

there is no complex moveset in this game unlike vt2

there alway clearly defined horde clear and single target combo

[rancid geyser]

clear to ppl who google, watch videos and go on communities to learn them, but sure

like Run cancles and block cancles, Looping, Special attacks and how work or the Attacks that they lead into

the great swords in general should probably just straight up be removed from that mention

because it's not just FGS

tbf the more i look at it, the moves sets arent really that simple

mostly can only say that when being reductive

[deft stump]

They are complex enough to some who cannot comprehend in the heat of battle.

Simple is like Rashad.

Light spam hordes, heavy spam big enemies, push atk ragers.

[plucky flax]

Fgs6 superiority

[rancid geyser]

it's close but it ain't no PS6

[plucky flax]

I feel better with fgs cos I'm not draining my stam when fighting boss/crusher.

[rancid geyser]

fair

I just like that there isn't really anything for me to do but activate the special on my sword to do optimal damage via my blessings

if i want to kill a crusher as it approaches it's just Power Up, Poke, Power Up, Poke, Slash in H40

i wish i could just do 2 stabs fast without having to re-energize though

[wind spruce]

I heard that use of Fgs8 is being included in the DSM-6

[plucky flax]

What's the dsm6?

[wind spruce]

The DSM-# is the standard classification of mental illnesses

Used in psychiatry

I have a whole chapter dedicated to me

[kind jay]

i use fgs8

and sometimes when im feeling especially freaky i use pots

[plucky flax]

I remember zealot mains used to come here saying fgs8 was better

[mental kayak]

agent chaos

i always watch ur yt videos

cool guy

10/10

[zealous wing]

reminds me

agent you have any clips of old rotten armour?

[mental kayak]

watch his yt

[zealous wing]

im specifically thinking of him kiting a hundred or so armour around the start of baross with a knife while we all died horrible deaths eventually

theyve definitely lowered spawns of rot armour since its addition

[rancid geyser]

The only weapon I could ever justify using PotS is on EK, and only if you actually hate Crushers as much as I do

I guess technically you could use it with Inferno staff while abusing Uncanny Strikes but the damage it would give is a bit low at max rending. I think like +5% damage on top of any other bonus damage you are getting from other rending sources over 100% rending. So 10% total damage bonuse for your soulblaze if you have max Uncanny and PoTS XD

[kind jay]

ek is my forever staff so yeah i have a build with pots.

i like it tbh

[rancid geyser]

EK Supremacy

everyone should pull one

[kind jay]

out of 2.3k hours 95% of that is probably with ek

i love the damn thing

[plucky flax]

Strongest melee psyker I've ever seen. Bro did this to every encounter.

[plucky flax]

Yeah less armoured train now.

[rancid geyser]

not a the samurai reference in the gamer tag

oh no

lived by the sword and was let down by the sword

[cosmic cobalt]

that a skill issue

[plucky flax]

Maybe

[wind spruce]

PotS actually adds a shitload of damage to trauma vs flak & cara

[rancid geyser]

I'm assuming the M1 on Trauma is the same ADM as the EK? Never really looked at the numbers for that staff.

like 0.1?

if it is i can see that

the reason why it's good on EK [in my opinion] is because at 50% peril you get 10% rending, which basically doubles your damage against carapace for M1. And at 100% peril that 20% rending is a 200% damage boost in comparison to the base

And for M2 it's a 13.5% damage increase due to rending overflow at 100% Peril. (2.5% damage increase difference between 50% and 100% peril though for M2)

[kind jay]

yeah it def adds up with all buffs active too

just chuck a few m1s and rmb crits melt crushers

[rancid geyser]

yup

even can kill them in a decent amount of time without DD stacks

[kind jay]

bulwarks too. es stacks on the shield

[rancid geyser]

it's also the reason why i use channeled force, because there is no reason not to throw in an m2, even if not fully charged for the M1 damage buff

that's free 10% damage on top of m2 just for playing, and I'm not gunna avoid using it when dogs exist either

RNG gamble will kill them with the extra damage

[kind jay]

yeah i like swapping between lmb and rmb

fun to keep the buffs up

[rancid geyser]

15 stacks of DD hits hard AF though lmao

can easily remove 2-3 Crushers from a pack moving towards you before commiting to melee in H40

[wind spruce]

I meant m2

[rancid geyser]

i mean if it works it works

that's a good thing that it has use elsewhere

[wind spruce]

Its not so impactful its worth a point on a point-starved build but it isnt garbage across the board like is constantly stated here

[rancid geyser]

Pretty sure people on these servers just don't understand rending or don't realize how much it warps damage for certain weapons

They pretty much call it bad because it doesn't provide a "significant" damage boost to whatever they use.

[wind spruce]

Many of them do understand concepts like rending but still fail at actual analysis and just parrot certain narratives

[rancid geyser]

Oof, that's bad if true

[wraith sphinx]

Too much words

I just click heads

[kind jay]

it make number go up

i happy

[wind spruce]

Its true of a subset of every group across humanity

Its not a Darktide discord server thing

[rancid geyser]

Yeah but the only community I can really compare the people here to is the MH servers. Some of the convos I've had here compared to ones in MH servers is wild.

People spout thing that should involve numbers to back up what there are saying but never do and basically just follow it up with trust me bro. Or really just mean this is how I feel about it no matter what.

In MH you almost never see people discounting opinions when it comes to things like math because the people will actually check for fishy logic and application.

[wind spruce]

Whats MH?

Also fair points

[kind jay]

monster hunter

[rancid geyser]

Monster Hunter, yeah

Much heftier number crunching comminity

Also a more open community when it comes to opinions from my experience

[quartz barn]

monster hunter has a ton of decos and set bonusses to combine, and outside of speedkills its fine as long as you can clear the fights

but a ton of % based buffs plus interactions also lead to a lot of people just not understanding them properly

[rancid geyser]

Not too dissimilar to this game, if you water things down a bit

The endgame in Rise is a bit akin to Havocs

[quartz barn]

its also why darkside's instakill and highest dmg videos are respected, because theres a ton of math that goes into it

[rancid geyser]

Certain thing basically become much less useful

[quartz barn]

also getting the conditions right lmao

[wind spruce]

What videos

[cosmic sigil]

Tanner's

[thorn cedar]

no

[cosmic sigil]

[upbeat kestrel]

tanners videos are trash mate

[frail oar]

And he's so difficult to listen to. Can't get a thought out without insulting someone or alluding to strawmen that said he was wrong.

[cosmic cobalt]

funny how people are willing to listen to you as long as you sound confident

he get a lot of thing wrong too

[wispy pumice]

he died from the plague like 3 months ago. I didn’t even know he was sick..

[worn tendon]

Obnoxious at times

Fucking shouter, my fucking years is bleeding out like

I need hadron's replacement for this shit

[fathom adder]

If the numbers don't support my argument, it's myopic and unrealistic to look at numbers like some whiteroom theorycraft spreadsheet warrior

[rancid geyser]

Team Darkside
They are MH Speedrunners.

[rancid geyser]

Yall don't know about when he left here do yall?

I got a personal FU message from him

[worn tendon]

Wuh

[rancid geyser]

I disdain people like him

[worn tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-deep-fried-mad-raging-gif-14229167

[rancid geyser]

Lemme.see if I can find it lmao

[worn tendon]

Wait what's tannerberg discord name

I would like to scan and scour

[rancid geyser]

No you'd have to scan mine

I've shared it in the vet chat I think

The issue is the amount of scrubbing you'd have to do

When I get on my PC it will be easier

[rancid geyser]

Exactly

[rancid geyser]

See that's fine. But when talking about DPS and damage that is "worth" having, showing numbers I'd kinda neccessary

[worn tendon]

What about tanner's discord id, i used to check on banned / people who left what they spoke with just that

[fathom adder]

The joke is that if the numbers support one's argument they will cite numbers, if the numbers contradict them they will downplay their importance or question their validity

[rancid geyser]

unfortunately

not here

[quartz barn]

for every mh game they have a video where they oneshot every monster and try to get the highest dmg number possible

[rancid geyser]

wait shit

if i leave the server do my logs go with me?!

[rancid geyser]

I don't have a pic of the rest of our convo but there IS this

gunna see if i can grab rest of tag

actually, im assuming that at some point he changed Discord user name after they had that update

eeeh

gist is that he didnt like the fact i was calling him out on things on the server. And was explaining how he doesnt take anything but Acquiescence well. I mentioned a video that he posted where me and a bunch of other people were questioning him and correcting him and he basically attacked everyone in the comments. He later removed the video and made a follow up one trying to act like he was correcting things on his own

Was a debate on Zarona and what he best Blessings/Perks were on it

[worn tendon]

The id is enough

Un momento

[rancid geyser]

they guy was pretty quick on the block though, did it tome a few times lmao

nothing bad was said to or about him until after this incident too (by me)

[quartz barn]

tbf hes prob so used to it he instablocks a lot

[worn tendon]

Huh, nothing showed up

Tanner didn't say anything in this server I'd suppose

[rancid geyser]

was direct messages to me when were were talking about his info

but he was part of the discord for a hot minute

not anymore though, or at least i cant find his tag in my messaging

[worn tendon]

Probably tanner scrubbed off (deleted it)

[rancid geyser]

guess that is a possibility

[worn tendon]

Btw check his newest yt post

[rancid geyser]

i dont think i should participate in hate watching

NOPE

SORRY

I CLICKED IT ANYWAY

just in the 1st minute he is wrong

[worn tendon]

Community post

[rancid geyser]

oh

[worn tendon]

Not videos

[rancid geyser]

well the Needle pistol video from 4 months ago

100% wrong in the 1st minute

why can he not, just NOT insult someone?

[worn tendon]

I mean, his pfp shows everything

Reading someone's cover often (NOT ALL) is a good indication of what kinda man he is.

Something that learned in my job

[rancid geyser]

like their online profile?

[worn tendon]

Youtube pfp

First time i watch and was bombarded with loud ass fucking complaints and wailing

Ie: hives scum video

[wispy pumice]

why?

[thorn cedar]

everyone shut up and look at this

[kind jay]

cat

[thorn cedar]

he doesnt sound confident at all, that's the funny part. he sounds exactly as thin skinned as you think he is lmao

he certainly assets things with 'confidence', in the sense that he is dismissive of all other viewpoints

i think he's just very relatable if you are also a terminally online thin-skinned individual

so no surprise that most of reddit loved him

[verbal thistle]

Egg cloud

[thorn cedar]

its a cloud...... of eggs!

[radiant frigate]

just a yapper

[thorn cedar]

very somft and tasty

[wispy pumice]

When there is no more game content so the community bullies the local terminally online femboy

[rancid geyser]

nah, i dont like saying people beg of it

but in his case i think it was appropriate

[wispy pumice]

I think you gain infinitely more power when you just say tanner who?

[thorn cedar]

that is my preference yes

[cursive shell]

Did they mess up dog collision in the last patch? Feels like it's way more lenient, and I'm pretty sure a couple times the dog hitbox had actually nudged me without resulting in a pounce

Like I'll be deep into the red dodges and still somehow juke it

Doesn't seem to have changed in the psykanium from the little I've tested, just a vibes thing from some recent matches

[thorn cedar]

there's lag compensation when you're online that makes a huge difference

if you push really at any point between them jumping and reaching you they'll be stopped

it's extremely generous tbh

[rancid geyser]

they have been bugged ever since the newest major update

sometimes they jump and just slide down your chest

othertimes they make 190 degree jumps instantly

or clip you into a pin out of nowhere, even when the modle is not in congruence with their trajectory

[deft stump]

Sometimes, the server isn't in sync as what you are seeing, especially on higher ping.

Which may involve some packet loss.

[cursive shell]

okay that makes me feel less crazy. couple times the dog has bumped me outta the way and I'm like, aren't you gonna eat that?

[thorn cedar]

i kinda wish the dogs would STOP bumping tbh

like muties way back when used to microstun you if they jumped up or down from ledges and it was fucking obnoxious

dogs still do it when they run by/through/over/under you or whatever

i should not be affected by specials who are not even executing a real attack especially if it isnt even targetting me like wtf

[mental rock]

Bombers/flamers instant toughness removal

[thorn cedar]

i kinda miss that

[mental rock]

And the ministun that bombers used to do

[thorn cedar]

that not so much

[mental rock]

I didn't mind the toughness loss, but the stun was obnoxious

[thorn cedar]

fire was like the only counter to gold toughness

[deft stump]

So like barrels?

[thorn cedar]

nah had to be enemy fire

barrels are as they are now, goes under toughness and hits health directly

[deft stump]

Can see why removed, can be bs tbh to be hit even at full.

Like, instadelete toughness from a bomber hiding in an area you can't even shoot so you take full damage with no space to move.

[thorn cedar]

i mean it was rough but

[rancid geyser]

This used to be the bane of my existence. They used to be at the very top of my priority list

[thorn cedar]

we were just used to it

i was very against removing it cause VoC was even more busted back then

and nothing else in the game could counter gold toughness

[deft stump]

Pretty sure you don't get crusher/mauler trains then though.

[thorn cedar]

uhhhh

[deft stump]

Like 14-16 in a wave.

[thorn cedar]

i cant recall

i think we did

this was maybe at most a year after trees came out

so we would have had maelstroms

[rancid geyser]

even if you did back then, you had enough spam in you to invalidate them

that and they were not beefy enough to survive any amount of damage stacking back then

[rancid geyser]

it happened whenever they ran into issues with the spawner

[thorn cedar]

yeah crushers back then were maulers now and maulers were ragers

[rancid geyser]

sometimes the spawner would have too many crusher tickets

especially in events

[deft stump]

I guess they now have unlimited then. XD

[rancid geyser]

there were a few incidents where the tickets for enemy types had no limit

and you would get rooms pack filled with special/elites

be glad that at least in base game this issue doesn't really happen

[deft stump]

No, as in now now.

I get ridiculous clowncars even on heresy at times.

[rancid geyser]

maybe in havoc, but havoc always has something broken under the hood

like spawning summoners outside of the map lmao

[deft stump]

Like they cram expedition tiers of spawn into standard missions.

[deft stump]

Mission board.

[thorn cedar]

I have noticed that if somebody leaves at any point and we're left with a bot the AI director goes fucKEN CRAZY

its kinda fun

[deft stump]

Like, malice, heresy and damnations seem to have expedition lvl spawns.

[zealous wing]

thats because exped patrols are spawning in missions

[rancid geyser]

i play damnation, i dont think ive noticed super high spawns

[zealous wing]

including reaper patrols in CIVI

[rancid geyser]

this is I am aware of though

i like it

[deft stump]

So you are saying bots makes it worse? Would explain since 2-3 bots every game.

[zealous wing]

i am refusing to run CIVI, my used-to-be-favourite maeostrom because now it just pisses me off with how dumb fatshark is

[thorn cedar]

im all for getting my shit pushed in even if it's unintentional

[rancid geyser]

i think the event is worse

the rager and mauler spam at major points in missions ESPECIALLY AT THE ENDS OF MISSIONS. A lot of the time it feels likeim the only one killing them, but I know im not.

[zealous wing]

i run civi to not worry about gunners and just have fun. hi 10 reapers, hi 40 shotgunners. YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE >:(

[thorn cedar]

i legit miss the broken spawns with enemies showing up right at the beginning of some missions

[deft stump]

Would you like 70 ragers at once?

[rancid geyser]

regular ragers i can deal with

the Armoured Ragers and Maulers with increased Health gets nutty sometimes

[deft stump]

Scab?

[rancid geyser]

got packed up into a wall 2 days ago

no choice no options

[silent frigate]

Only if there was a person who spars 100 ragers regularly kekw

[zealous wing]

thats event, not a maelstrom with very VERY SPECIFIC modifiers, and has always had the same very specific conditions. out the fucking window

[rancid geyser]

yeah, i get that, but i rather what happens in the Maelstrom atm is what im getting at

[deft stump]

Makes no diff, here, enjoy 50+ in a wave and then another batch runs in.

[zealous wing]

luckily event is avoidable, and so is broken maels

[rancid geyser]

game be like, daaang homie, you reviving a teammate? +38 maulers

[deft stump]

I'm just dropping frags and hoping they die usually.

[zealous wing]

all i can do is hope fatshark eventually get their fingers out of their asses

[deft stump]

Try, last one alive, 14 crushers, 8 maulers, pile of ragers and bunch of shooters a distance away. And more keep spawning even when you expect it to slow down. Event much. Like pushing havoc to pubs.

[rancid geyser]

if the total number is less than 30 elites, it's doable

at least you can make space

but when every angle is filled with armour to the brim, you feel like that one petite girl on the couch

[deft stump]

You are in a small square box room. And the only way out is a bridge where too many gunner types are shooting down.

[rancid geyser]

psyker

lmao

what guns?

[deft stump]

Vet.

[rancid geyser]

oh

[deft stump]

1 frag left.

Half ammo on bistol.

[rancid geyser]

hug, it and hold it close

i'd use it on myself in game if i could XD

[deft stump]

More, run circles till more frags regen.

[rancid geyser]

some of the situations in the event are rougher than in Havoc atm

which is kinda wild

[radiant frigate]

wha

it's just a bunch of elites, wdym

[deft stump]

IDK what FS is on with the new event. Did they even test it themselves or did they do it cos of the loud 1% complaining game too easy?

[silent frigate]

that would a very optimistic stance kekw

[radiant frigate]

what's wrong with it

i love the event

no chaff all elites, just as the emperor intended

[rancid geyser]

you havent been pressed against a wall with Big Bruley Maulers and Ragers pressig on your behind

[deft stump]

Play it solo with 3 bots and then come back to me.

[rancid geyser]

legit feels oppressive, even worse is when you load into it and are the only one up

[deft stump]

More, you load in without any resourcea but your melee, have fun.

Gun needs reloading.

[oblique sage]

With like 6 crushers, 5 ragers, and 4 bulwarks to boot?

[rancid geyser]

3x that number

[deft stump]

Only? You got lucky there.

[oblique sage]

It ain't fun unless the team knows how to not get themselves shafted like an ogryn hammer up the ass.

[deft stump]

I get min 12 crushers.

[oblique sage]

Yeah true had to throw down to damnation because ain't nobody getting shit done otherwise.

[deft stump]

I don't do it on aurics.

[oblique sage]

Must be luck.

[deft stump]

You just got lucky with that low spawns.

[oblique sage]

Or my poor luck is three dozen maulers.

[deft stump]

I get bulwark walls that rival h40 backtrack walls.

[thorn cedar]

im kinda jealous

[oblique sage]

It's depressing to go try and do one of the missions, wait the full queue time, and then get stuck into a new lobby and nobody joins.

Has happened multiple times so far, the event isn't a great time for the majority of people.

[deft stump]

I dunno. I also get like 70+ ragers of either type on just heresy

[oblique sage]

Rager and mauler session because Nurgle decided Slaanesh was alright it seems.

[deft stump]

I just play on a fairly dead server so... it's all solos or duos.

[royal falcon]

how it feels to play expeditions

[oblique sage]

Like 5 billion maulers is one thing till they've got ragers on backup making up for the fact that they're slow by stunning you with sheer numbers.

[rancid geyser]

yeah, the mode is dead

[oblique sage]

6 PM West USA, fucking nothing.

[rancid geyser]

kinda sad

[deft stump]

I'm Slaaneshi and I don't want a rager/mauler bang.

[royal falcon]

oh also how's mortis trials going

[oblique sage]

Too damn bad.

[deft stump]

Currently bugged.

[rancid geyser]

deader than dead

[royal falcon]

that's the-
that's what the gamemode's called right

[deft stump]

Enjoy 4x wave density.

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-sonic-sonic-boom-hanging-gif-5736292261546373961

[deft stump]

GL if trying for that sub 25 mins thing.

Mind you, I have duo'd to help ppl with it before.

Not happening with current density.

[frail oar]

Whats wrong with mortis?

[deft stump]

Wave density is multiplied.

3-4x.

[oblique sage]

The 5 billion poxwalkers don't really register well let alone interact well.

5 billion isn't even an exaggeration in MT right now.

[deft stump]

If you thought 11 snipers was bad...

[royal falcon]

at least it's not 11 plasma gunners

[oblique sage]

Shoutout to the OG plasma event when you'd enter an area with two captains and 30 lasers would appear WITH 30 plasma gunners.

[deft stump]

Well, it's not 11 plasmas now either. Try 30+.

[royal falcon]

[oblique sage]

Don't worry, they're the nerfed ones.

[deft stump]

Fatshark.

[royal falcon]

even if they're nerfed I'm not really fond of plasma gunners still

[deft stump]

I don't even know how they broke it.

[oblique sage]

You don't want to know.

[deft stump]

Did they just increase density somewhere that affected all modes?

[oblique sage]

If you do you'll realize someone flubbed the code and didn't even realize it.

[frail oar]

That actually sounds fun

[deft stump]

Which would explain EVERYTHING.

[oblique sage]

It had to be looked at after that and they didn't even catch it then.

[deft stump]

Not really, wave 6/9 is extra bs.

Also, trapper waves went from bad to...

I hope you have void grenades or bubble.

Because you are going to be fucked otherwise.

[rancid geyser]

automatic plasma gunners was fun

[rancid geyser]

they are actually a good adition to the enemy roster

as they are not at least

seeing as flamers, and bombers were the only ones that were really effective at pressuring toughness I think the damage and the plasma debuff that they give are a decently nice move in the right direction for increasing difficulty without BS bumps in add density and HP

[deft stump]

As a specialist, sure. Not when there's 15 of them.

1-3 is fine.

[rancid geyser]

even 10 are fine lmao

they shoot slower than other enemies

[oblique sage]

Idk man
Getting insta-downed by five plasma gunners you couldn't see in the fog because the vet went down 5 minutes ago and you dared to even breathe wasn't exactly fun, I think?

That event was NOT great.

[deft stump]

Remember they can be silent.

[rancid geyser]

but running a corner and dodging backwards past it to just see a wall of red orange lasers was hilarious

[oblique sage]

Not when you're stuck in a room with two captains and the horde of plasma starts walking in when you couldn't walk out because 20 lasers appeared out of the fog.

[deft stump]

Sounds like event right there.

[rancid geyser]

yeah the event wasnt too bad before they patched it

just had to play slower

it was a bit boring in comparison after they nerfed them

it was a dumb kind of fun prenerf

[deft stump]

I think he meant current event.

The old event is just... do you like 20 rapidfire 3 shots someone dead?

[plucky flax]

Current event spawns extra captains?

[rancid geyser]

no

not from my experiences in it

[plucky flax]

I played 3 rounds and it was okay at end event when a bunch of ragers come but still so easy and boring.

[thorn cedar]

density is either lacking or it's whoooaaah

[rancid geyser]

density outside of the major rooms in missions have basically nothign yeah

then they flip the switch

[mortal breach]

Ambush tactics

[radiant frigate]

woe, 102330 ragers upon ye

[royal falcon]

not enough

[silver zealot]

holy crap is that 7603980997 dreg ragers

my inferno staff gonna love this one

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-stare-scared-shocked-wtf-gif-11869033912413958490

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-kill-that-boy-ishowspeed-meme-speed-gif-14148634974563037076

[ashen garnet]

kill that boy

!

[radiant frigate]

one gorillion ragers vs perilous combustion, existing

https://tenor.com/view/burn-matches-fire-gif-5247397

[rich spindle]

That’s a good pc gif

[radiant frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/134100084554989568/1096857798815518880/Sequence_01_1.gif

[rich spindle]

I like this one more

[radiant frigate]

me too

[slow viper]

i have a stupid question: as a gaze psyker i've been having trouble getting destiny stacks with the event -- would giving up sciers gaze for shriek work okay on a melee gunpsyker build? i've never tried that combination before. would try to fit creeping flames + perilous combustion obviously. would blessing support from a greatsword help it out?

[thorn cedar]

really dropping DD is probably the play

are you doing 15 or 25 stacks

[thorn cedar]

@verbal thistle
any theories

https://www.twitch.tv/exploitstv/clip/AmorphousSteamyAsparagusWholeWheat-rHSZYYFXLItXtrfo

ive seen the getting pulled back onto a ledge you just hopped from

but ive never seen bouncing up when you were on the ground

presumably its because of zealot dash but like ???

[jovial juniper]

Just zealot things

[rancid geyser]

gaze DD works with EK for the event. FGS too

Unless you aren't actually nuking the Maulers and Scab Ragers when they are highlighted. It might be rough on other things though ngl

idk if you know but you can manipulate what gets highlighted for DD mostly via positioning

[slow viper]

getting around 15 usually, and the event drops it to 10 most of the time. 🙁

[verbal thistle]

was trapped midair and was closer to the highground then the floor

so was put to the nearest ledge

[rancid geyser]

are you using the +5 second upgrade?

or +10 stacks?

[slow viper]

ill try repositioning -- getting very few targets highlighted for some reason.

[rancid geyser]

it only highlights specific enemy types

[slow viper]

ive been going the extra duration.

[rancid geyser]

basically anything Flak related will get targeted in a 120 degree cone which follows the direction you are looking at

[rancid geyser]

that's the pref one if you want uptime on 15

[slow viper]

thanks thats something i didnt know 🙂 will give it a gameplay shake and see.

[thorn cedar]

but then not quite on it huh

oh quoted the wrong line

[hallow vector]

i remembered how to be OP melee psyker

[jovial juniper]

Yeah you picked 1 weapon

Nothing more

[rancid geyser]

there is a bit more to it actually

better to just copy pasta kuli

"Scans for targets within 40m to mark one at a time. Only marks valid targets who are inside a 120° angle in front of Psyker and have line of sight to Psyker; picks a target closest to Psyker or, if the previously marked target was killed, closest to the position where the last one died. Can mark a new target if the current one is killed or hasn't been within 45m for more than 2s; or if Psyker has lost line of sight for more than 5s and the target both hasn't hit Psyker and hasn't been hit by Psyker for more than 5s."

[rancid geyser]

you should basically just break LoS on bad highlights and wait 5 seconds, because if you shoot at something you can't kill the mark will linger

[hallow vector]

is 25 stacks of DD or 10 seconds beter

ive always done the 10s because thats way more forgiving for uptime

i feel like 25 would be hard to keep up

[frail oar]

I only take 25 with the extra stacks on weakspot

But the damage difference is noticeable if you can afford the point

[cosmic cobalt]

25 is way better

it's easy to get more value on average compare to 15dd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1490807634440491302/20260407031700_1.jpg?ex=69f65bcd&is=69f50a4d&hm=799846092990ac361543f11a786daf14f3cab32ea48dc2d02f892f2dbf6bf8c0&

[wind spruce]

Maelstroms dont count

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean as long as there isn't an inferno psyker on your team it does count

[wind spruce]

It doesnt count

[cosmic cobalt]

also it's easy to stay above 15 stack anyway

you only need perfectionist

[wind spruce]

Its way easier to maintain a high stack average on maelstrom because everything dies quicker

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean if you don't believe me you can believe ainz

[wind spruce]

I dont think i made any commentary as to whether its worth using on havoc

Just that maelstroms unquestionably do not count

[cosmic cobalt]

the main thing with 25dd vs 15dd is that if you can stay above 15dd 80% of the time it already better even if you don't have amazing max stack uptime

problem with 25 dd is building it up which perfectionist help

maintain dd is much easier than building it

[plucky flax]

I'm too noob for 25 stacks.

I tried it.

[cosmic cobalt]

also its fgs so there nothing that doesn't die fast rven in havoc

[wind spruce]

This is the opposite of how it works but ok

Just mathematically its extremely obvious that maintaining DD is harder because not increasing in stacks because you're maxed out loses you value

[agile moth]

if i wanna spam my secondary attack as voidblast should i dump quell speed instead of warp res?

[radiant frigate]

no

[plucky flax]

Nein

[radiant frigate]

quell speed scales better

• faster peril cycling = more gooder

[wraith sphinx]

I dump quell speed anyway 😈

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[ashen edge]

Do you guys like playing this game while being a little tipsy?

[upbeat kestrel]

i liked playing dt hammered

[cosmic cobalt]

you need to get railed

[fluid knot]

Hands mirror

Rack 'em then chap

[rancid geyser]

25 stacks is a pure dream, sounds amazing till the stacks start falling off, or you struggle actually building/maintaining them.

Also +10 stacks gets carried by the +2 stack on weakspot kill, making it kinda have a 2 point tax. Pretty hard to justify if you could get more damage elsewhere, since any extra damage that you DO get already feeds into your stacks. +5 seconds just provides consistency and saves a point of necessary investment.

Need a team that actually let's you stack vs playing the game to maintain those stacks. That and bad RNG on a mark

Even in non Havoc, good luck even getting to 15 stacks in the 5 second timer if you actually have someone killing enemies along side you.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah let just disregard that perfectionist give 3 stack and this is with broken dd marking atm

[rancid geyser]

Tbh, yes, because instead of +10 stacks and the possibility of building it faster there are other nodes that are non-melee builds could be getting that also give damage. It's just not 'way better'

Pretty much those could/should just be your last 2 points of damage investment if you can afford it

[cosmic cobalt]

this is in the context of melee psyker what do you mean

it's free

and again

you don't need high 25 stack uptime as long as your average stack is more than 15

then you only need to maintain it

[rancid geyser]

If you shared the uptime in a non maelstrom I could probably believe it more. Even better in a Havoc

But just from looking at the uptime, I can't tell who was on your team or if they were even actually killing anything

Even you yourself said it was dependent on there NOT being a specific build along side you

One that is super popular in the community at that

[plucky flax]

Hmm maybe I could had used 25 stacks

But I am too noob.

2mil and 1.8mil damage

[rancid geyser]

not noob, you just went with the more consistent option

eeeh, that's assuming you even took the increased duration

and I'm not saying 25 stacks is bad. Realistically you have 50 seconds (+40s in comparison to the enhanced duration) to keep more damage over 15 stacks so just reaching the 25 stacks is nice. When you get there it's amazing just that it cost 1 more talent point for a headache kinda puts me off of it, not to mention on EK i like Puppet Master because the increased coherency feels smooth and PoTS because i like it on EK specifically.

[royal falcon]

chat how do I make this greatsword cool and amazing

[rancid geyser]

there are a few combos

uuh im trying to remember the name of some of the blessings

Riposte + Blazing Spirit

Riposte + Precognition

[royal falcon]

so basically I'm going all in on finesse

[rancid geyser]

Riposte + Unstable Power

Unstable Power + Deflector [this one is just a comfy setup imo]

anything outside of Riposte, Precognition, Blazing Spirit and Unstable Power I think isn't worth if you are mainly going for damage

but im also thinking about the other one, the Mk6

[plucky flax]

Unstable shred/riposte
Unyielding carapace

[rancid geyser]

legit forgot the weapon had access to shred lmao

[plucky flax]

I prefer shred over riposte always.

Don't need to dodge if I don't get targetted.

[thorn cedar]

Yeah mine are all,
Elite + Carapace
Unstable/Wrath + Shred/Riposte

[rancid geyser]

fair, riposte does nothing when you have an ogryn on your team

[static vessel]

MELEE PSYKERRRRRRRRRRR

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-shocked-boom-soda-gif-12975564783995812045

[rancid geyser]

the FGS is amazing regardless if you build for melee or not

just try to take warp speed when using it

i hate not having warp speed when using it

[static vessel]

MELEE ALL THE WAAAAAAY 🗣️ 🗣️

KILL BOSSES IN 2 TO 3 HITS!!!!!!

[hoary mauve]

Saw someone using a suicide psyker build, surprisingly fun to watch.

[cosmic cobalt]

strength is multiplicative and you're alway high peril anyway

unstable is good

[rancid geyser]

yeah, that's why I recommend it

basically at +10%-20% strength the entire run

[cosmic cobalt]

it's more 16-20

since you're alway in high peril

[rancid geyser]

it gives you strength in incraments of 5 only

5% each stack, Max stacks being 4

shrieking and entering gaze will always immediately remove 2 stacks due to removing 50% peril

[cosmic cobalt]

misinput😭

15-20

[rancid geyser]

well im more explaining the mechanic because people usually spam their abilities

which makes it pretty easy to dip back to 10 strength pretty often

[cosmic cobalt]

it's not really an issue

[rancid geyser]

eeeh, the damage diff on the poke at 15% and 20% on a weakpoint crit is pretty significant

[cosmic cobalt]

gaze bring your peril up and for shriek you can just spam assail/activation

it's literally a non issue

kinda hard to not stay at high peril

[deft stump]

Naw, some forget their ability exists.

[rancid geyser]

im giving them my confidence in their skill lmao

[gleaming anchor]

How long does it take for flame staff to reach max burn stacks?
I want to get max burn stacks and then switch to an uncanny strike weapon to max out the burn.

[thorn cedar]

a while

[rancid geyser]

it's rng, because crit affects stacks

kills via Perilous Combustion also provide stacks

and venting shriek can also provides stacks as well

it doesn't take much effort though imo, that's why flame staff is braindead

[rancid geyser]

most things will be dead before you stack uncanny in Damnation and Auric if they already have max stacks

[gleaming anchor]

Even on crusher/mauler wave?

[radiant frigate]

maulers will die easily, crushers less so

soulblaze has freakishly high ADMs across the board, with the exception of carapace

[rancid geyser]

Crushers are legitimately the ONLY exception other than Monsters/Bosses

[cosmic cobalt]

only crusher have carapace base armor

[rancid geyser]

^

[cosmic cobalt]

sb is literally only bad against 1 enemy

but you can stack uncanny

[rancid geyser]

and that is what makes it disgustingly braindead

[gleaming anchor]

Gotcha.
Thank you everyone for the advice.

[thorn cedar]

waiting for the day scab ragers are made carapace main

AS THEY SHOULD BE

FATSHARK

YOU COWARDS

[rancid geyser]

melta gunner Reapers when

decked out in carapce

[thorn cedar]

reapers have the perfect amount of carapace tbh

literally just that one shoulder

and when they duck back all your goddamn shots hit it for some reason

genuinely perfect

[rancid geyser]

nah but a decked out melta gunner ogryn makes sense and it should be a thing

[thorn cedar]

when the hell are we getting pack master in regular matches

[rancid geyser]

never

packmaster aint even a real boss

[thorn cedar]

gimme

[kind jay]

they should just turn the packmaster into a bridge troll for the bridge in vigil station

[thorn cedar]

to cross this way you must answer these questions threeeee

[long summit]

it's been a while since I've played. Did they fix Psykers not self-destructing due to perils of the warp?

[clear stag]

Wut

[deft stump]

I mean, the threat is the inf dogs that may or may not be silent.

Also the no stealth so I can't help ppl if he's up.

[wraith sphinx]

Peril management has never been easier for a while now. Especially ever since scrier's gaze got buffed to reduce peril on activation, like venting shriek does

[plucky flax]

Make bubble do the same

And wall 25% peril

[jovial juniper]

Bubble quelling 2% while you're inside it

[long summit]

The context is crystalline will. I'm not concerned about blowing up. It just the node to intend to blow up was useless when it was impossible.

[jovial juniper]

Do it

It stays for 30s yeah?

So that's 60% quelled

[wraith sphinx]

I've not encountered any problematic behavior with crystalline will, but I also don't really play with that talent because I consider it useless

[thorn cedar]

checkbox option in a menu allowing you to consent/unconsent to perils

[long summit]

Okay I'll have to test it. There was a patch a while ago where no matter what you could not peril.

[thorn cedar]

i feel like that did happen but

a while ago?

[wraith sphinx]

probably? I don't keep track

especially now that I'm taking a break from the game 😪

god I'm so disappointed with the expeditions game mode, I just don't want to play anymore

[rancid geyser]

no

[plucky flax]

I have not tried it yet and dont think I want to

[rancid geyser]

it was bugged at one point where it would still instantly blow you up when using it with shriek and gaze, havent cvhecked it in a few months but im pretty sure it's still there

being that FS is slow af with these things

at least there is a build centered around crystalline will now, it's pretty funny

[static vessel]

Literally zero reason to take venting shriek

[wraith sphinx]

I gave it a whole month after initial release and the mode still has game breaking bugs, tech remnants are still pointless (I really was expecting some sort of a meta progression to it besides just unlocking more of the same game mode and penance drip), tech remnants don't scale with difficulty so NOBODY is playing auric and if someone quits the game or crashes, all tech remnants they carry are permanently lost. It sucks

[plucky flax]

Ufff dead on arrival mode

[rancid geyser]

what?!

well, maybe for peril management there is no reason

lmao

[rancid geyser]

kinda sad

hopefully they use the map assets in a meaningful way down the line

[static vessel]

Sciers shrimply better

[wraith sphinx]

I'm seriously telling you, fatshark needs to give up with these new game modes, third time was not the charm. It's time to let go and refocus on making stuff ppl actually love

[rancid geyser]

they developed new tech just for it to fall flat on it's face

[rancid geyser]

scrier's is fun, but it's not better if we are talking about overall performance in game though

[plucky flax]

Havoc have some hardcore player base. They can make it better

But its the same maps for a long ass time now

[wraith sphinx]

I wanna see more of new maps for base game mode, new enemies, new mission types, new weapons and new classes

[rancid geyser]

if they made havoc specific maps that would be nice

FS too scared and unbothered in piquing interests

[static vessel]

Eh in my build it carries.

Im starving

[rancid geyser]

I mean EK loves SG

but Sg is not as good as Shriek performance wise

no rose-tinted glasses on my face

Shriek and Soulblaze need nerfs imo

[plucky flax]

Simply have 2 psykers 1 flame 1 gaze on all maps

Op strat

[rancid geyser]

yup, i enjoy having an inferno psyker, because no one will cry to me for refusing to play it

[plucky flax]

Actually can switch out flame psyker for bubble knight its op

[rancid geyser]

double psyker, and an ogryn has been my favorite 3/4 set up

the 4th doesnt matter at all imo

technically I am the 3rd that also doesn't matter lmao

[plucky flax]

Psykers strong

[radiant frigate]

extremely weird take but ok

[wraith sphinx]

ragebait used to be beliveable

and if it's not... somebody show her the psykers built the pyramids screenshot

i cba to find it

fucking literal cone of soulfire spam and there's no reason to take it sksksksks

[rancid geyser]

tbf, if you arent playing it or playing with someone using shriek well it doesnt really show how overpowered it is

but then again, its kind of hard to play shriek bad

literally build peril, have ppl kill special and elites, then vent

almost certain you could just sit there watching your team kill things waiting for crushers to come in range to melee

[thorn cedar]

man fuck shriek i agree with missus on principle

such a snoozy ass ability

[wraith sphinx]

huge betrayal from the MiM sweeper

[rancid geyser]

agreed, but i just cant say that something that blatantly overpowered is not better than what i like

[thorn cedar]

im biased though i was stuck using basic ass shriek with no choice or variety for a solid year on launch

and i never liked it and i just cannot bring myself to touch it again

[rancid geyser]

because of other players?

[thorn cedar]

no because we had one ability

and it was shriek

[rancid geyser]

oh that

[wraith sphinx]

I use gaze on like 75% of my builds and shriek on only one

but it's really good on that one build I do

[rancid geyser]

i only ever touched psyker 1 time before they introduced the talent tree

[thorn cedar]

yeah like 80/20 gaze/wall for me

[wraith sphinx]

(it's a blaze trauma build)

[cosmic sigil]

I spent a year doing illisi shredder shriek before the tree :/

[static vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/rah-gif-14283880331149196129

[rancid geyser]

took me like a year after the rework to try psyker again

but after that

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-sniper-cat-wizard-cat-gif-8673671005501435745

EK became my most used weapon

though i was on m2 until they introduced Empyric Resolve

[static vessel]

ainz made me addicted to melee psyker

help

[spice aurora]

y melee when purg staff smhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rancid geyser]

they like to sit and watch others play the game, and HOPE that they get to swing at something

a guy that's probably already at 5hp

[wind spruce]

Scriers least interactive psyker ability but also least snooze

Tis the truth

[rancid geyser]

i actually quell when in scrier's gaze, i like hitting my 10-15-20 seconds

also quietude value XD

[warm latch]

inferno staff. warp nexus, blaze away or warp nexus, penetrating flame?

[rancid geyser]

warp nexus + blaze away

penetrating flame sounds nice at first but the match on it is bad, since the only thing it has bad adm against is Carapace [Crushers]

for most enemies, at max stacks brittleness (40%) the rending value nets you 10% increased damage

which is notably less than blaze away

[warm latch]

good to know. thank you

[rancid geyser]

this is outdated maybe? or is it not talking about the actual ADM of M2?

looks like 1.0 - 0.9

might have missed something. Didn't realize it applied the electrocuted effect though

makes you wonder why they couldn't make enfeeble actually work with the staff

[wind spruce]

I remember someone saying these numbers lie but im not sure

[rancid geyser]

well for the m2 its rolled 2 times and each can crit iirc

i care not for it though tbh

but for the m1 it looks like it's right

just hard finding a staff to check the secondary

[main crow]

Trying out the funny scriers gaze stuff but it’s a pain to track at times

[plucky flax]

Warp unbound?

There's mods to help that.

[main crow]

Console

[hallow vector]

whats hard to track

[main crow]

How long I can stay at 100% peril before I boom

On the bright side, I also tried out Empyric Resolve and found that to be pretty comfy

[coral prism]

And yet...

[rancid geyser]

there is an effect on your screen edge that goes away when it's over

also an audio queue

[hallow vector]

you could take crystalline will too

and

i always just check the icons at the bottom of the screen every few seconds to see how long it lasts

once its almost gone i start quelling

[rancid geyser]

you do have like a grace period after the linger ends

[hallow vector]

yea but theres no indicator for how long

so thats just what i do

[rancid geyser]

If you dont have good periphery, it becomes more of a reaction thing. I feel like if you can react to back strikes, that you can more than react to the linger ending

[deft stump]

Muscle memory in sense.

[rancid geyser]

could be yeah

[thorn cedar]

It's 1.5s. It's enough to finish whatever you're already trying to cast, unless it's a really fresh brain burst.

[wraith sphinx]

PC or console?

[jovial narwhal]

psyker is zealot but better

[dire wharf]

I think psyker edges out zealot just slightly because of the better blitzes

Zealot blitzes are boring

[royal falcon]

well yeah that's their whole thing

[radiant frigate]

sword wizard sweep

[dusk timber]

i think psyker

[royal falcon]

I think

[dire wharf]

Allegedly

[dusk timber]

:3

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEhgcKTa4AAzIbS.webp

[dire wharf]

Zealot is close! Relic blade is goated, just needs a slight damage boost

[radiant frigate]

happiness is stored in the big sword

[plucky flax]

Its so sad when compared to fgs

[dire wharf]

The blessings could use some help

[dusk timber]

idk about that

[marble crater]

Bladesinger?

[radiant frigate]

i think we're more like hexblade

[dusk timber]

bludgeonwhisperer

[marble crater]

Good old hexblade

(never actually played hexblade)

[radiant frigate]

(it's aight)

[dusk timber]

dnd?

[marble crater]

Bg3 in my case, so yesnt

[radiant frigate]

it is probably better in dnd than bg3

[dusk timber]

tbh from what i know you didnt really play hexblade itself

you just took a one level multiclass dip

[radiant frigate]

to go along with sorc or paladin or some other funsies?

[marble crater]

Yea, one of these playthroughs I will do it

[dusk timber]

it went along with pretty much everything

[radiant frigate]

bg3 hexblade is a class with access to a full power shadow blade and extra attack

it's good

[dusk timber]

but from what i remember it was mostly for medium armor proficiency, shields and some defensive spells

[radiant frigate]

Ye

[marble crater]

Yes, but on the other hand: vicious mockery and cutting words

[dusk timber]

like hexblade dips is one of the main reasons the "squishy caster" stereotype is not really a thing on dnd optimization

at least for 5e

[radiant frigate]

it doesn't do much that a paladin or fighter dip doesn't also do

exception being a minor amount of spellcasting and charisma-based attack

[marble crater]

Let's you attack with charisma and dump strength

[dusk timber]

hexblade was extremely frontloaded with level 1 features

[radiant frigate]

right but how much does attacking with charisma even matter if you're not going into something else that brings extra attack

[dusk timber]

5e eldritch blast also scaled with character level instead of warlock levels iirc right?

[radiant frigate]

in terms of beams yes because cantrip

[dire wharf]

Playing a hexblade in bg3 currently, character feels op between the 2h sword and eldritch blast

[radiant frigate]

it's certainly versatile

ish

[marble crater]

Not much I guess, just let's you have nicer stat spread

[radiant frigate]

but not any more versatile than others

dex based characters can shoot at range and shank in melee just the same

strength based characters can obviously bonk and then throw at range

[marble crater]

You can play Paladin with just charisma, dex and constitution, instead of also needing to level strength

[radiant frigate]

you could already do that

dexadin be upon ye

[marble crater]

But I want big bonk

[radiant frigate]

phalar aluve

[marble crater]

Bigger

[radiant frigate]

dancing breeze

[dusk timber]

i dont remember all the details on why hexblade dip was so popular on 5e but there is definitely a reason for why it was so universal

over most other dips

[royal falcon]

it pretty much made charisma your primary stat

[radiant frigate]

2-level dip into whatever other charismatic thingy you like gets you
medium armor
shields
weapons (and charisma attack)
eldritch blast with +cha mod to damage
2 short rest level 1 spell slots
small selection of extra spells

it is quite a lot

[royal falcon]

in short, charisma is bullshit

[radiant frigate]

and i think hexblade's curse too

[radiant frigate]

shoutout to the paladin class

where, with hexblade, charisma gets you:
attack
damage
ALL saving throws
spell save DC

[fathom adder]

Charisma For Everything, Hexblade's Curse being strong right out of the box, utility spellcasting that you restore with a short rest, and the armor+weapon proficiencies you usually get from a martial dip

[radiant frigate]

🗣️ 📣 BLADE CANTRIPS

[dusk timber]

blips

[fathom adder]

The old conundrum of "how do we discourage dipping while also not making classes fucking boring until mid level while also not discouraging multiclassing"

[icy breach]

Laughs in Bards

[marble crater]

It is, defeated all bosses in act 2 but only actually had to fight one

[icy breach]

Act 2 bosses being Sims-tier difficulty (you tell them to kill themselves & they do)

[fathom adder]

tfw you become the meme

[radiant frigate]

have you played the owclat pathfinder games

even more so the case

[main crow]

I was using the extra 10 seconds of free 100% peril thing too. It didn’t really feel worth it so I went back to shriek and kinetic flayer

[deft stump]

No, broken as heck. Why do you think all my casters are CHA based.

[dusk timber]

bullshit as in broken as hell

[deft stump]

I literally just intimidate bosses before 1 turn k.o. them without needing to roll.

[deft stump]

Have DM force one class only. Or have them run the old school penalties if you multiclass.

[royal falcon]

simple
discourage multiclassing but only for charisma-based classes

and bladesingers

[dusk timber]

i think they did make dips overall a lot weaker in 5.5e by having every class only get their subclasses on level 3

[deft stump]

That's in 5e as well. Major class thingies are at lvl 3 usually.

Unless third party feats.

[fathom adder]

Sounds like discouraging multiclassing

[deft stump]

I made everything into warlock.

[dusk timber]

a lot of caster classes have their subclasses right at level 1 on 5e

or level 2

[deft stump]

Fighter with feats that grant warlock stuff.

Bard, rogue, cleric... list goes on.

[dusk timber]

also ive heard 5.5e hexblade is kinda mid rn

[deft stump]

No the main big thing for the class is usually at 3.

[rugged escarp]

Is the build guide in the pins up to date?

[deft stump]

At least with third party.

[dusk timber]

yes

[deft stump]

Yes.

[dusk timber]

from what i remembered in 5e classes like warlock got access to their subclass right from level 1 or 2

[rugged escarp]

There are so many builds even in gameslantern im damn confused as a new palyer 🤣

[dusk timber]

dont trust random gameslantern builds

[rugged escarp]

Is bubble inferno a good start in the guide then?

[deft stump]

95% of Gameslantern builds are terrible.

[dusk timber]

even some of the most upvoted ones are dogshit

[deft stump]

You get some hidden gems but massive majority is trash.

[rugged escarp]

I tried to check author profile to be sure...

Followed this one so far

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a051bb96-cbc3-4539-a77c-042423dd6b4c/cinder-flame-meta-h-40#description

But ill stick to the guide then

[thorn cedar]

ima just out and say that 99% of builds are bad even the ones we have in our pins

not because they are objectively poorly made but because you are not going to play the game the exact same way the guy who made the build does

so feel free to use ANY build you see and then feel even more free to change them to your liking

[deft stump]

Depends on the build really. Some are idiotproof.

[thorn cedar]

no thats the thing

you give ainz an idiotproof build and you'd be nerfing them

[deft stump]

Thing is, a player like Ainz doesn't need builds. He even fucked around lvl 1 (talentless) grey 500s on auric before.

[thorn cedar]

why the fuuuuck wont my monitor speakers work reeee

[rugged escarp]

What are good melee options with inferno staff ?

[thorn cedar]

anything that's safe

so high mobility options

[rugged escarp]

Any of the force swords work?

Feels thematic

[main crow]

I wouldn’t start with bubble if you’re new. Figuring out how to deal with gunners without it will be better in the long run

[deft stump]

Deimos, safety, decent mobility, uncanny interaction.

[main crow]

Force greatsword is peak

[dusk timber]

force sword, duelling sword, knife

[fathom adder]

Force Sword mobility isn't as bonkers as knife or dueling sword but it does get Uncanny+Superiority

Deimos also has the funny Light+Heavy combo where you poke a Crusher and send it sprawling on its ass

[dusk timber]

force sword push attacks also really good at stacking uncanny

[coral prism]

Dealing with gunners: run like a headless chicken and pray that there's a vet

(At least when I run flamestaff melee psyker is a different story)

[rancid geyser]

Most of the builds are fine to TRY, but an overwhelming majority of them should only be taken with a grain of salt. Even those shares here. You gotta find what works for you

[rancid geyser]

Or just shoot in their general direct with any staff that isn't the inferno

[coral prism]

Yeah that works

Normally run supportive psyker in havoc though so I'm outta luck if there's too many gunners

[rancid geyser]

You don't use empathic evasion?

[coral prism]

I do

[rancid geyser]

I legit think that might be the strongest talent on psyker tree

[coral prism]

But when shield is down and we are trying to push forward on certain maps I can't proc it consistently enough

[rancid geyser]

Might be because of your crit chance

[coral prism]

Maybe? But it's also sometimes the fact that there's not enough enemies to hit which is the issue

[rancid geyser]

Less enemies = space
Space = room to run slide and find cover

Tbh though it's something you'll learn over time

Gunners are usually only dangerous when you are surrounded by Armour imo

[coral prism]

Definitely but I hate the later maps since there are quite a few open sections

And you have really bulky enemies like crushers just sitting there blocking your path

[coral prism]

Me and my past 3 assignments being rotten armor 😭

[rancid geyser]

Oof

As long as it's not directly after a ledge you should always try to kite

Even I struggle to remember doing the kiting too tho

Going down and realizing you had so much room to work with is sad sometime XD

[coral prism]

Ideally I don't have to since I'm sitting in the back but yeah

I remember I died once because I was holding our rear with staff and my team dropped down so I thought we were clear

Got hit in the back of the head by a fodder enemy and exploded

[rancid geyser]

Them double hits be hurting

Most don't use Just a Dream, just One with the Warp. Just a dream i like more because it has saves me more from double hits.

[coral prism]

Which perk is that?

[rancid geyser]

Talent, it's the more dangerous defensive one.

You convert 25% of all damage to peril

Toughness and Health

[coral prism]

Oh I like that one

I also take the -40% peril gen on a deflector blaze sword for comfort

I basically can tank any boss solo

[rancid geyser]

It's the overall tankiest you could get for 1 point. But it can lead to overloading if you aren't paying attention

[coral prism]

tbh just gotta pay attention to the audio cue

[rancid geyser]

Audio queues are hard to hear sometimes

Especially when pox butsters can turn off sound when there are 4 or more of them

But Just a Dream only requires you to pat attention to your peril

[coral prism]

idk i find peril management pretty easy myself

the vignette and really loud audio

[rancid geyser]

As long as you are below 97 peril it will eat hits and give them the full 25% reduction. Its just that if you aren't quelling like a mad man when dpsing you can lose value on it

I personally use it with quietude

It gives back a bit of toughness on taking hits

[radiant frigate]

yeah but not on a staff build

[rancid geyser]

FGS + Staff cripples your movement

But, there is warp speed

[radiant frigate]

melee psyker still moves at an acceptable pace

wizard psyker less so

[rancid geyser]

On my comfy set for SG staff I use warp speed

[main crow]

Why not? It handles crushers just fine