i also would not rely on it
#psyker-class
thorn cedar
to do that
cause this build does not do long smiting
it does pulses of EP and then BCoB/MiM to quickly quell off between said pulses
illisi does check a lot of boxes
i gotta say, the heavy attack tho?
shockingly slow
for what is supposed to be a light weapon
rancid geyser
i gotta say, the heavy attack tho?
the heavy is a bit slow but i really like it
Heavy into light
thorn cedar
yea
but like
charge up heavy swing for ragers
is somehow too fucken slow
even though that seems like THE THING
rancid geyser
oh for ragers
thorn cedar
charge up light is ok
thorn cedar
and with uncanny stacked up the damage difference is negligible but
idk
what a disappointing weapon lmao
rancid geyser
if using Malefic Momentum you do do decent damage on illisi
since it makes full use of the talent
pretty easily too
thorn cedar
deffo that
rancid geyser
i like using illisi with unstable power
easy to stay at 100% with it
think yesterday i was doing Unstable Power + Slaughterer on it, it was fun, until i got shot down
thorn cedar
im just doin standard uncanny shred
rancid geyser
not sure if there is benefit to using rending on illisi tbh
looking at it's numbers
thorn cedar
for the wep itself not really
light charge and heavy charge are very close in damage with max uncanny stacks which is perhaps the most notable benefit
soulblaze however
around crusher piles which are my one definite weakness
see im just gonna equip a fucken deimos again
THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS
rancid geyser
see im just gonna equip a fucken deimos again
i know this is good, but i hate the moveset into hordes
deft stump
illisi is notably ass into crushers
Well, there used to be a funni one shot crusher build.
IDK if it still works now.
thorn cedar
probs not if i had to guess
rancid geyser
probably not
crushers are hard to one shot now
pretty sure FS was just tired of ppl clipping Crushers on YT
lmao
because realistically the HP bump did not increase their threat, just the annoyance that the enemy type comes with
deft stump
because realistically the HP bump did not increase their threat, just the annoya...
Annoyance indeed.
thorn cedar
i would argue not being able to one shot the enemy that can one shot you does indeed raise their threat
rancid geyser
i would argue not being able to one shot the enemy that can one shot you does in...
imo the threat is just about the same lmao
rancid geyser
still jokes now too
thorn cedar
aka a threat but i dont like them
rancid geyser
just the type that gotta creep up on you
only time i think crushers are actually scary is when rotten armor exists
and it's more the rotten armor than the crushers that i fear
thorn cedar
no you dont
thorn cedar
the mass shenanigans is true but it is not talent point worthy
jovial juniper
No no I understood it as you saying that you don't need enfeeble
thorn cedar
oh
rancid geyser
Instead of agreeing that Psykers don't have the points
they dont 🙁
rancid geyser
tbh i feel like FS should change the aura highways and allow us to skip taking upgraded auras
thorn cedar
if i can put MiM in most of my builds then you can totally afford it
rancid geyser
i would drop 10% crd to 7.5% cdr in a heart beat
jovial juniper
Pots
I'm dead serious too
It ain't going to matter much if you're running Uncanny
jovial juniper
But what if you are strenghtmaxxing
jovial juniper
Here's my criminal suggestion for illisi
.
frail oar
Carapace override and 75% enemy hit mass reduction on illisi special
frail oar
thorn cedar
Rending for your special heavy
oh yea i mean
could just buff pots in general
cause its so bad
rancid geyser
could just buff pots in general
PoTS aint bad
it's just only useful on specific things
rancid geyser
i defend it as much as i defend Rending Strikes and Onslaught
not bad talents, just more specialized
there are actual bad talents that deserve the title
like even in the clip earlier, the Crusher kills with IAG is that fast because of onslaught
and would be faster with rending strikes
rancid geyser
as an EK user i cannot say it is
just not as good as other things
which can be said about a lot of talents
thorn cedar
no its actually just bad lmao
like the one good thing nowadays is that you do not have to path through it anymore
it used to be a choice between uh
that -peril and -tgen talent or pots to reach warp charges
now you dont gotta
because that talent point is better spent anywhere else
rancid geyser
before it was free damage or empyric resolve
thorn cedar
if you can take +10% melee damage you should take that instead
it was actually bugged back then so it was a choice between a wasted talent point or a talent point that was a double negative with niche use
(because pots literally did nothing for a solid year, it was coded wrong)
and back then i would take pots instead
thorn cedar
nah im just pointing out a funny irony
i used to take it when it did nothing because the other necessary choice i found worse
(slower peril gen and reduced toughness gen is such a double whammy)
rancid geyser
tbf im not sure why they cant cut down the peril gen and just remove the reduced toughness gen
legit ass
and always will be, anyone who tells me otherwise can pick up some gloves
🥊
main crow
Ew smite
thorn cedar
i love the left click so much
thorn cedar
and always will be, anyone who tells me otherwise can pick up some gloves
nah i can see value in it but imo Quietude has been the best toughness talent for a while
rancid geyser
nah i can see value in it but imo Quietude has been the best toughness talent fo...
quietude is, but imma need you to put on the gloves
thorn cedar
before when it was just on quell it was good, now especially since it's quell and gain
and eresolve shits double on that talent
rancid geyser
there was a very short time when i thought that it might be good
but generating less peril is just not good enough to justify reduced toughness gen
thorn cedar
basically that
main crow
Just vent. Shrimple.
thorn cedar
i think warp ghost is a much better execution on a similar idea
rancid geyser
Just vent. Shrimple.
makes it harder to get max value from vent
rancid geyser
slower build up to 80%, less toughness from venting
dusk timber
i think warp ghost is a much better execution on a similar idea
Isnt warp ghost like the complete opposite of resolve
rancid geyser
also means that it takes longer to amp the damage after venting too
thorn cedar
sometimes i take it just for the +2 stam and toughness gen, DESPITE the passive peril loss
thorn cedar
Isnt warp ghost like the complete opposite of resolve
yeah its good instead of bad
rancid geyser
i think warp ghost is a much better execution on a similar idea
warp ghost is actually pretty damn good
dusk timber
I mean like
thorn cedar
warp ghost is three talent nodes in a trenchcoat
its kinda silly
like slap +2 stamina on any talent and suddenly it's competitive
if ER gave +2 stam i would be looking at it too lmao
rancid geyser
mostly because you can vent in so many ways, and having reduced passive quelling allows you to keep damage buffs up longer
dusk timber
Warp ghost's idea is making peril management harder in exchange for better survivability
Meanwhile resolve is easier peril management for worse survivability
rancid geyser
Warp ghost's idea is making peril management harder in exchange for better survi...
easier survivability and uptime on the damage talent you would take along the way
the placement makes it much much more than just survivability
i can't think of a reason to not take warp rider when going for it
dusk timber
im talking about how exploits said resolve and ghost are similar ideas
but the way i see it theyre pretty much the complete opposite of each other
rancid geyser
Might be the way that they are looking at it maybe. Back when I thought ER was good for that 1 week, was when i first started using EK
Less Peril technically can lead to more dps uptime
but the survivability loss is kinda glaring yeah
I'll assume they were looking at both as ancillaries to damage
dusk timber
im using resolve with my EK build because it generates a fuckton of peril but that may be because my staff isnt fully upgraded yet
so the warp resist is ass
rancid geyser
im using resolve with my EK build because it generates a fuckton of peril but th...
if you are using Scrier's Gaze you don't need it or can do without it
if you are using Venting Shriek you might also not needed it after getting your warp res up. This is assuming you are building M2
dusk timber
M1
rancid geyser
with Seer's Presence and like 2-3 elite kill syou can keep looping SG comfortably
thorn cedar
but the way i see it theyre pretty much the complete opposite of each other
its both
thorn cedar
opposites of one idea (impacting peril fundamnetally)
dusk timber
i see
thorn cedar
but in a funny ass way
thorn cedar
i think ER makes sense from the perspective of a very very new player
perils is scary
number go high and ges red
voices in ur head
its spoopy shit man
the game tells you in ten different ways that the spoopies is bad for you
so generating significantly less at the cost of -30% tgen makes sense
and it makes even MORe sense
rancid geyser
its spoopy shit man
i like to think that the purple tendrils are a from a daemonette baddy caressing me from behind 🙂
warm
thorn cedar
if you play at malice
rancid geyser
comfy even
thorn cedar
i like to think that the purple tendrils are a from a daemonette baddy caressing...
goodbye forever hello block list
rancid geyser
wait!
thorn cedar
irredeemable
rancid geyser
i never said i ever would turn around
its just that it gets lonely in the imperium
who do you think your beloved is?
dusk timber
who do you think your beloved is?
yes
rancid geyser
do yall ever graduate from using this talent?
i try, but then i have to clutch and then i cant
thorn cedar
ive almost never ever used it
rancid geyser
thing is on all of my EK build the last point is either this
or Warp Ghost
both help a lot with not dying
been considering just removing souldrinker as well
but might be troll
kind jay
i don't use souldrinker on my ek builds
rancid geyser
I use it for the extra toughness drip-feed
pretty much up for like 70% of a run in havoc
shrewd nacelle
guys any advice on how to spam fast the inferno staff's light attack on controller?
wind spruce
I use it for the extra toughness drip-feed
The extra toughness is pretty irrelevant
One with the warp would give more value
rancid geyser
The extra toughness is pretty irrelevant
you underestimate the extra stupid positions i find myself in sometimes
wind spruce
You're alreadg regenning a shitload from other sources
rancid geyser
i tried using OwtW but back to back hits happen a lot when i die
actually im pretty sure its like 90% of my deaths in that difficulty
wind spruce
Thats exactly when owtw is better
rancid geyser
might just be random chance, but i have been dying less since i swapped to it
idk 🙁
long saddle
guys any advice on how to spam fast the inferno staff's light attack on controll...
don't 
rancid geyser
and 'just a dream' has to stay on because it's not just TDR
shrewd nacelle
don't <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
🤓
wind spruce
might just be random chance, but i have been dying less since i swapped to it
Probably not because of souldrinker
3% per second is nothing compared to everything else we get
rancid geyser
fair, ill swap it off again and try, but some of those runs were wild, i swear
wind spruce
If you're playing above 50% peril (which you always should be)
Owtw is always 20+% tdr
Its so good
long saddle
yeah any talent that involves being at high peril is just free
wind spruce
33% when you're casting in warp unbound is insane
Especially since dream deactivates then
rancid geyser
hmm, i was just trying somethign diff this week, I can put it back
the 5% crit legit is not doing much either
long saddle
I'm not running just a dream on a caster build tho
wind spruce
Are you shrieking or scrying
long saddle
that's for melee/gun play
rancid geyser
scrying
cosmic cobalt
are you shitting or peeing
wind spruce
Well just a dream is worse than owtw with warp unbound bc its inactive at 100%
long saddle
yeah my caster SG builds are just at critical most of the time
wind spruce
You hit warp unbound and lose the 20% from scriers and dream
rancid geyser
i actually quell when playing
because you need to when you take hits
or want to actually stack scriers
rancid geyser
eeeeh i care enough to keep the 20% crit and tdr
no benefit to not keeping it in moments where i can
which is usually
long saddle
I mean it's not like I'm not quelling ever
wind spruce
Are you not running warp unbound at all?
long saddle
it's just not a prio at all for the sake of scriers stack
I skip warp unbound on ainz's soyker build, where my only overload hazard is warp slashes when at critical
rancid geyser
when playing DD you don't loop as easily between scrier's
and since DD is just the most damage on EK im gunan quell to stay in scriers just a tad bit longer
i think 10-15 sec in scriers is a guarenteed loop issue is on EK it's easy to shoot to 100% as soon as you enter
wind spruce
I skip warp unbound on ainz's soyker build, where my only overload hazard is war...
Yeah you dont need it on kf gunker
wind spruce
Yeah the head pops are real
long saddle
assail gunkers are still warp unbound for me
rancid geyser
also yeah gun psyker is completely different lmao
most of the EK damage comes from crit uptime
wind spruce
i think 10-15 sec in scriers is a guarenteed loop issue is on EK it's easy to sh...
If you have psykinetics up you regenerate 15s of your cd just during warp unbound
rancid geyser
psykinetics?
long saddle
CDR node
rancid geyser
oh psykinetic aura talent
long saddle
right under the cdr aura
rancid geyser
thats why i need to be in Scriers minimum 10s
having to wait a whole other 10-15 with not having that +20% crit is not the best imo
wind spruce
No because you regenerate during scriers too
rancid geyser
quick clip time
wind spruce
If you have curios or cdr aura 8s loops you back to back with warp unbound if psykinetics js up the whole time
rancid geyser
oh i lied i thin i only need 7 seconds
so 5 seconds in gaze 10 seconds out of gaze
i think that kinda defeats the purpose of going gaze on EK though
you want the crit
and the damage
kind jay
personally the infinite peril is the most valuable to me
rancid geyser
on EK in Havoc if you arent doing the damage, there is no reason to take the staff
and a lot of that damage is gated behind SG
especially when using DD
kind jay
i can't speak for havoc but as long as i kill a couple elites i can cycle sg infinitely and technically never stop doing damage
rancid geyser
okay yeah, that i agree, you can do easily
kind jay
different way of looking at it i suppose
rancid geyser
it's just that there is a ton of damage locked to when out of SG
DR too
almost feels like you've wasted Talent points when doing that
wind spruce
I dont disagree kuro its just about finding the right balance w/ havocs slow quelling
rancid geyser
I dont disagree kuro its just about finding the right balance w/ havocs slow que...
in all fairness you did make me realize i only need 5 seconds
but at 10 seconds the downtime from SG is only like 3-4 seconds
i just like having it up more than not
it only also takes like 1 or 2 quell taps to rach the 10 seconds
kind jay
could also use ability cd on curios if not already
rancid geyser
the only class that i think you dont need 12% cdr on is Scum, and thats when using the box
spamming abilities is just fun and useful
kind jay
fo sho
dusk timber
the only class that i think you dont need 12% cdr on is Scum, and thats when usi...
eh cdr on scum isnt really that good
mainly because of how the cooldown works on their abilities
it only starts once the ability ends
rancid geyser
well my example was specifically for box, but it still helps on rampage and desperado
regardless of the milage they get form it
dusk timber
it helps but not a lot
rancid geyser
realistically there are abilities that only get 2s cd from the 12%
so a lot is pretty arbitrary
im not sure what metric anyone uses for good/bad or a lot XD
dusk timber
zealot also doesnt really outside of chorus
rancid geyser
also 2-3 less seconds to use an ability does make or break encounters
dusk timber
specially for shroudfield since perfectionist got fixed
rancid geyser
it's impossible to say if you will always be in a controlled enough environment to not need that cdr
unless in something like damnation heresy and the like, maybe
big maybe
dusk timber
cdr talents also make the cdr from curios less valuable
rancid geyser
yeah but I dont think a single skill gets less than the 2-3 seconds even with optimal cdr usage from talents
dusk timber
like zealot's +100% cdr on crit talent makes the 12% cdr from curios effectively about 1.5s
1.8s actually
rancid geyser
so it's just slightly under, hmmm
though it also begs the uptime too
because that does matter
dusk timber
i'd much rather dedicate those 3 perks to more survivability or even revive speed on those scenarios
rancid geyser
pretty sure zealot gets dimished returns from revive speed too
arent they required to take a talent that already provides the stat?
dusk timber
though it also begs the uptime too
the uptime matters mostly for stuff like chorus, VoC, vet stealth
rancid geyser
nah uptime matters for anything that could help you clutch
rancid geyser
im telling you, those small percentiles help eek out clutches
rancid geyser
and scrier
tbf i think if you are warpsiphon SG you don't really need 12% cdr if all you plan on doing is looping
just need targets
wind spruce
eh cdr on scum isnt really that good
Not taking it on rampage is insanity imo
dusk timber
i'd say exestance, zealot's damage abilities, taunt, btl and scum's abilities dont really need cdr curios
dusk timber
taunt has fucking go again
rancid geyser
but taking damage over go again is valid
rancid geyser
nah 20% base is chunky enough for me to combat that
especially since bruiser exists
you can easily loop taunts with bruiser alone [nope, this is me assuming a psyker is also with you]
there is discussion
but arguably that damage helps you clutch or survive as a team just as much if not more than the taunting
killing things means that you are removing threats
less threats = safety
plucky flax
Got a scummer ragequitted. 3 man became such a slow slog but we managed to pull through.
urban meteor
I need a little human advice
I saw a guy running EP Brain Rupture with Sphere Telekine shield
Wouldn't he want the other shield that has two charges or Shriek?
To be better at getting Resonance?
And uptime
main crow
Kind of a preference thing I imagine. I prefer shriek over everything personally 
Some people crutch on shield
urban meteor
Me too, the sphere shield is a little seductive because I feel like Mewtwo in it, so it's super cool
Bit the cd is a little too salty for me
So Shriek it is
plucky flax
They nerf the cd recently.
urban meteor
Lessened it or made it worse?
frail oar
45->60 seconds
urban meteor
Ouch
rancid geyser
45->60 seconds
MR Ogryn, do you like more taunt or taunt that help team do damage?
frail oar
Try wall indtead
dusk timber
MR Ogryn, do you like more taunt or taunt that help team do damage?
you should prob ask in the ogryn channel
frail oar
More taunt if you are comfortable with juggling aggro/abusing slot system damage otherwise
rancid geyser
well im just asking preff, because that 90% of this game lmao
rancid geyser
More taunt if you are comfortable with juggling aggro/abusing slot system damage...
hmmm
very balanced take
rancid geyser
More taunt if you are comfortable with juggling aggro/abusing slot system damage...
also recently found out that ogryn CAN 1 shot Crushers. I think it's possible in H40 too. Also not sure how Soften them up works with the discharge
if i stack that 1 strength talent
can't remember the name atm
frail oar
Crunch n thrust
dusk timber
crunch isnt strength
rancid geyser
the one where you get more strength when allies or you get hit
or was it only damage
i think it was strength
dusk timber
the only strength talent i can think of for ogryn is the one that gives 10% on weakspot hits
oh right no hurting friends
yeah thats another 10%
rancid geyser
yeah that one
that plus the damage on perfect dodge/ damage taken, which is basically always up
i play for the memes and crusher hate
i really think the crushers show bad game design, or at least the ''solution'' that they came up with for them
dusk timber
the biggest problem with crushers is their spam tbh
shut kettle
so how does one build the force greatsword?
the big slashy one
cuz i legit have no idea , looking at the blessings it seems either crit or cleave but im not sure
shut kettle
Unstable Power+Precognition
precog with that one autodoge talent i assume
dusk timber
cuz i legit have no idea , looking at the blessings it seems either crit or clea...
shred/riposte for one of the slots
jovial juniper
Precognition is +finesse
You're probably thinking shred or riposte for more Crits
Which means more Empathic Evasion procs
main crow
I like unstable power since I’m chilling at like 100%ish peril anyways while I’m chopping away
shut kettle
that one guarantee crit on special sounds like such a bait blessing to me for some reason
rancid geyser
Unstable Power+Precognition
i'm weird, I like unstable + deflector
actually haven't checked, do the dodge blessings work if you dodge a shot via empathic evasion?
dusk timber
actually haven't checked, do the dodge blessings work if you dodge a shot via em...
Pretty sure it does
shut kettle
though if it works with the autodoge on crit im gonna prolly go riposte
rancid geyser
Pretty sure it does
hmm
that does entice me a bit
but then Deflector + Unstable power is just nice when fighting bosses
being able to block them more comfortably while setting up damage for the poke
knotty elm
If I kill an enemy affected by soulblaze, but I kill it with my sword, does it count as melee or warp kill? or both?
royal falcon
iirc it depends on what the final hit is
rancid geyser
If I kill an enemy affected by soulblaze, but I kill it with my sword, does it c...
whichever kills it is what it counts as, assuming you are asking concerning malefic momentum
royal falcon
if you kill an enemy with the special/charged attack on your (force) sword it's a warp kill, if not, then it's a normal
knotty elm
whichever kills it is what it counts as, assuming you are asking concerning male...
yes, I am. So the last hit is the one that counts
rancid geyser
yes
knotty elm
ok, ty
and in terms of souldrinker? the description says: killing an enemy with soulblaze
as in the last hit needs to be soulblaze right?
zealous wing
no
the enemy just has to have the blaze status effect when you kill it
this means melee psyker can take it, go play with an inferno psyker, and still benefit
knotty elm
there are a bunch of talents that let you create and spread soulblaze without having to use a staff
rancid geyser
3 to be exact
dusk timber
this means melee psyker can take it, go play with an inferno psyker, and still b...
Or combustion
rancid geyser
and 1 blessing
knotty elm
also, peril generation reduction, does that apply to the automatic growth you see during scrier gaze too?
like, -10% would mean 10% more time under scrier gaze?
rancid geyser
Actually I never confirmed this for myself. I always assumed peril generation affected scriers and staves
might have gotten some of that info from Enhanced Descriptions
actually i remember now
yes it affects Scrier's gaze
it was the reason i liked Empyric Resolve for a whole week
rancid geyser
only had to check my goofy ass Warp Siphon Build to remember XD
radiant frigate
like, -10% would mean 10% more time under scrier gaze?
not exactly since it's ramping and also lingering
but it would extend time spent in sg
knotty elm
ty
wind spruce
3 to be exact
2 to be exact
wind spruce
Wildfire yes
Me dumb
I'm gonna crawl back into my 5:40 wake up time hell
Thank god i didnt wake up in the middle of the night unable to get back to sleep for 2 hours
Oh wait 
main crow
Wildfire is meh anyways
royal falcon
wildfire slander 😡
main crow
Yes 😎
royal falcon
I sentence you to 500 barrel deaths
main crow
It’s mid tho, unless you really want those souldrinker procs on a non fire staff build
rancid geyser
It’s mid tho, unless you really want those souldrinker procs on a non fire staff...
if you wanted soul drinker procs you'd only need Perilous Combustion
main crow
Exactly
rancid geyser
only time wildfire matters for souldrinker is in lower diff
main crow
If something has 4 stacks it can’t spread to them anyways either
rancid geyser
^
which is why i dislike it
BUT
it does help you spread soulfire to things out of your general range
not that i value you that aspect much
main crow
I mean, if you’re using vent and fire staff then all that stuff is gonna burn anyways. I could see it for Warp Siphon on non fire staff builds at best
rancid geyser
even with vent it will help catch farther enemies at some angles
zealous wing
I mean, if you’re using vent and fire staff then all that stuff is gonna burn an...
1 stack of soulblaze from wildfire before a 6stack shriek, brings you to 7 stacks, which is a 33% damage increase than just 6 stacks
hearty wolf
2 years later
people still hung up on why wildfire is good
some things never change lul
main crow
1 stack of soulblaze from wildfire before a 6stack shriek, brings you to 7 stack...
Ok, how are you getting those stacks on before shriek? With fire staff? You’re already stacking a shit ton of stacks. Perilous Combustion? You’re better off just killing all those elites and stack that instead of worrying about 10 extra damage on your vent targets
If you vent, all those vented enemies are ineligible for wildfire
zealous wing
play with wildfire, a lot, then play without it. dom removed it for havocs when we thought it was causing daemonhost crashes, and we felt that slowing of slaughter
but if you wanna nerf yourself by what, empyric shock? feel free
main crow
It’s a small amount of damage on chaff that’s gonna die quickly anyways
If you stack with vent
hearty wolf
Is this a malice moment
zealous wing
chaff, elites, monstrosities, specials, stalkers/shooters, etc
hearty wolf
didn't we pin this debate
zealous wing
1 stack is better than no stacks
rancid geyser
people still hung up on why wildfire is good
but also 2 years later ppl are still acting like its a must take in some situations
both sides are legit doing the same thing in a different way
zealous wing
if you run inferno it IS a must take
main crow
didn't we pin this debate
Apparently not?
rancid geyser
acting like they are right
zealous wing
seeing empyric shock inferno users giving up free firespreading hurts my soul
rancid geyser
play with wildfire, a lot, then play without it. dom removed it for havocs when ...
if anything its like 20 increased damage
pretty solid
but also like 20% of your damage across the whole run
damage isnt everything
and some ppl like me just dont value damage through that talent specifically. I just don't get hating on it or trying to clown people that dont like it
zealous wing
its more a matter of, why wouldnt you path through it? inferno isnt a primaryspam staff
main crow
If wildfire overcapped I’d see it as a must take 
zealous wing
people spamming LMB inferno on trash also hurts my soul (secondary staggers trash and kills them)
rancid geyser
i think the m1 stagger all enemies below Mauler, Cusher, and Bulwarks
is why ppl take empyric shock
also in a world where you only choose 1
i think im taking shock over it too tbh
usually i have both on flamestaff, but if i HAD to choose my pick is shock
it's more free damage than ppl lead on
main crow
it's more free damage than ppl lead on
There’s also the funny sprint cancel trick
rancid geyser
killing threats infront of you is more valuable than possibly killing the enemies behind the ones that are a more immediate danger. Technically Shock is a bit selfish because wildfire could get you ranged kills on gunners and the like though, which helps the team
ashen garnet
people spamming LMB inferno on trash also hurts my soul (secondary staggers tras...
people. Actually use lmb with inferno..?? 🐛whaaat
main crow
30% extra wildfire damage in like a second
long saddle
EP SG BB (all the acronyms) is p funny in the event
zealous wing
30% extra wildfire damage in like a second <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
debuff vs overall buff of wildfire, thats the only real difference here
rancid geyser
30% more warp damage is legit more than 4 more stacks of soulblaze on anything that is surviving tbf
rancid geyser
30% extra wildfire damage in like a second <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
its not that fast though
it only really matters against like ragers and scab enemies
zealous wing
and barely
rancid geyser
i guess you can chuck maulers and bulwarks in there too
zealous wing
inferno cleans them up quite quickly, and if not, uncanny stacking cleans the rest
rancid geyser
it does help with BR killing Bulwark packs using the extra damage and kiting
same for crusher packs
rich spindle
You can have 13 unspent talent points and a grey 290 inferno staff and still top damage
Theorycrsfting pointless
rancid geyser
debuff vs overall buff of wildfire, thats the only real difference here
also i think its more Debuff/buffing vs QoL but both of them are both
zealous wing
true. lvl20 is still really strong for auric (gets you the inferno tree up to creeping flames)
white cipher
Any good builds for defy fate?
long saddle
surge surge
white cipher
explain
rancid geyser
Any good builds for defy fate?
what is defy fate?
want to assume it's disrupt destiny
rancid geyser
wait eeew!
what is that EK build on pin
the 1st one for DD
Kinetic Deflection and Warpghost over taking the free PC and True Aim?
PC on DD EK is a shit ton of damage
and free kills for DD
white cipher
which pin is it?
rancid geyser
i can just link the actual doc i think
hopefully it no cause trouble
not fond of that 1st EK DD tree though
main crow
I take warp ghost on my EK build, but it’s also a shriek build so
rancid geyser
warp ghost is fine, but legit going KF with no PC i feel like is just gimping yourself
white cipher
im on pc
rancid geyser
true aim also is just worth taking since you should be aiming head height too
if you get 2 crits into weakspots its 1 more to guarentee another crit
which automatically give 2 points towards the next
main crow
warp ghost is fine, but legit going KF with no PC i feel like is just gimping yo...
Kinetic Flayer is just so convenient tho
But yeah no perilous combustion is weird
long saddle
warp ghost is fine, but legit going KF with no PC i feel like is just gimping yo...
it's to not compete with other psykers for soulblaze
PC is insignificant dmg in the grand scheme of things
rancid geyser
it's to not compete with other psykers for soulblaze
they will be fine lmao
i cannot condone this
the enemy density is there for each psyker to eat
and well
rancid geyser
yes EK DD SG
the other choices i can see, but that one imma have to hand you the gloves
long saddle
then ye it's a waste of a point because you have no other SB sources
white cipher
the other choices i can see, but that one imma have to hand you the gloves
im not oj simson
long saddle
you can run and check the scoreboards yourself, it's just not worth it
white cipher
Electrokinetic + Venting Shriek
this is the build right?
rancid geyser
dont need a scoreboard to know 2 things: PC will always net you kills with KF regardless of how many psykers are in the party and it also gives 1 stack of True Aim
main crow
Electrokinetic + Venting Shriek
this is the build right?
EK shriek is my favorite variation
white cipher
EK shriek is my favorite variation
but i need something for defy fate
rancid geyser
spamming projectiles means that i should give up free procs and uptime?
and damage
and kills
for cd?
like everything else i can see why, but i need you to pick dem gloves up for skipping PC
white cipher
like everything else i can see why, but i need you to pick dem gloves up for ski...
im on pc 
white cipher
but i still dont have a build 😭
long saddle
look at the doc and pick the one called surge surge
white cipher
ohhh
rancid geyser
yeah use the legend on the side
long saddle
should be with SG and DD
white cipher
yeah use the legend on the side
i just controlled f ed
white cipher
nothing to change on the build right?
rancid geyser
try it and make your own changes as you go about your way maybe?
no benefit to changing something before trying it
white cipher
try it and make your own changes as you go about your way maybe?
lol, i just want to kill things and get this peneance done
white cipher
lol
rancid geyser
and assuming all the way up to havoc
white cipher
havent played havoc yet
rancid geyser
most things work all the way up to auric
game not that hard where it will invalidate things in those difficulties
uuh what i will say is that in damnation though, after the changes to psykinetic aura, you MIGHT want to take the cdr aura
because blipping in and out of SG is actually deadly now
especially if you don't have enough specials/elites dying for your credit on the cdr
5% crit also doesn't matter too too much past 50% even if EK benefits from it more than other weapons
it's a slight dip in dps
white cipher
i think ill do some auric, i think people are on now. not as dead as morning
white cipher
it's a slight dip in dps
did u say dip in dps. thats hersay
rancid geyser
did u say dip in dps. thats hersay
so is blowing up because of the nerfs
you do less damage when dead
and SG players like to enter and exit SG fast
white cipher
you do less damage when dead
i heard that one before. you cant do damage when dead
main crow
Shriek my beloved
rancid geyser
also i realized it does take the finesse path for SG but im not sure how many stacks you hope to get
i think most you'll achieve without a quick quell is 6 before exiting [the sweet spot is 8 stacks if you want to loop without having the overload animation interrupt you assuming you get enough special/elite in coherency kills]
but it's a necessary tax to get to the last upgrade [also if playing this way, Quietude has significantly less value than Soulstealer which is right there. Quietude will basically only give you value when in SG and very briefly at that] [It also feels like the movement speed is a bit of a wasted talent due to you blipping in and and out of SG. You could literally just get Perilous Combustion in place of it. You already get movement speed from Disrupt Destiny]
rancid geyser
i shall try illisi again but on smite w/o ep
join the cult
illisi might be the weakest mark, but not useless
thorn cedar
illisi with wall shield and EP was quite sad
rancid geyser
also im not sure you'd need it if using smite
thorn cedar
just never really outputting enough
rancid geyser
i pretty much only use it with EK, because for EK i am also built to deal with Crushers
illisi exists only to deal with hordes that are on me and to chip away at monsters
and i do mean chip
thorn cedar
its not quite that bad into unyielding
rancid geyser
eeeh it's more like ive done more damage with the other variants and weapons
but i could just make space and pull out my staff
which is what i usually do
have fun swapping
night plover
hi psykers, had a question regarding a penance
"using shriek survive perils of the warp"
does that mean I have to use an ability while at 100 percent and then use shriek? or use shriek while at 100
night plover
with the tenticles coming in?
night plover
oh
night plover
lemme test it real quick
long saddle
you have 3 seconds or so
you can get it p naturally just playing at high peril with a staff
long saddle
wdym
night plover
is there like a special animation that plays for those 3 seconds on screen?
only thing I really seem to notice is the tenticles
coming from every side
rancid geyser
is there like a special animation that plays for those 3 seconds on screen?
you legit will start clawing at your face
long saddle
the tentacles just come at critical peril, you can survive at critical peril
rancid geyser
you can't miss the animation
night plover
...oh
long saddle
or do any action beside shriek or SG
rancid geyser
^
radiant frigate
complete with screaming
long saddle
since those will quell 50% on use
radiant frigate
(not the voices, your own)
rancid geyser
complete with screaming
i forgot that part, legit be tuning that out
radiant frigate
or do any action beside shriek or SG
you can also pray for a battle med trigger from soulblaze if you got some going
or purloin
long saddle
yeah but that requires running that talent in the first place
which I am not doing ever
radiant frigate
true on both counts
rancid geyser
overloading is detrimental though and you generally want to avoid it. Even .2 seconds of entering that animation is enough to get you killed
night plover
so get to 100 but don't F right away
radiant frigate
get to 100, finish a cast of some description at 100, press f
rancid geyser
so get to 100 but don't F right away
get to 100 then keep using peril until the animation starts
then vent
night plover
ahhhhhhhhhhhh
long saddle
but you'll get it playing naturally
night plover
so just keep casting till the animation
marble crater
Use peril until you can't do anything else
long saddle
you don't have to penance hunt it that bad¨
rancid geyser
because sometimes casting to 100% wont start it since getting to 100% off of attacking or casting doesn't count towards overloading. Doesnt matter if you generate 10% peril at 99% you will not overload until trying to generate more past 100%.
night plover
you don't have to penance hunt it that bad¨
Oh, no, I was just confused is all because I thought, i was doing it right till I saw I only did it once apparently.
long saddle
I thought crystalline will helped me survive it when I was new
but that didn't trigger the penance either
night plover
crystalline?
white cipher
you legit will start clawing at your face
i got in in one match
rancid geyser
crystalline?
the golden highlighted talent
thorn cedar
crystalmeth will
rancid geyser
crystalmeth will
the way these psykers be blowing themselves all over the place with this wound build
might as well be
white cipher
nm
rancid geyser
when ppl play that build i instinctively break my neck to revive them
only to realize that they are fine
night plover
the golden highlighted talent
ahh, got ya
long saddle
the animation is much faster tho
rancid geyser
the animation is much faster tho
yeah but the sound is very distinct
i cant help myself
night plover
I rarely use psyker so im kind of a basic bitch
rancid geyser
without fail, if you proc CW and are behind me, you will find me staring at you
rancid geyser
I rarely use psyker so im kind of a basic bitch
it's okay, you will eventually convert like i did
use to be a vet main
then i picked up a staff
night plover
it's okay, you will eventually convert like i did
nope, never will
hate it lol, im a dog main forever
night plover
then zel and hivescum are tied for 2nd
night plover
other than melee focus
I like going in there and beating things up ye
marble crater
i find extremely little overlap between 1 and 2
You see, one is addicted to drugs and the other is addicted to smelling the emperor's farts
night plover
You see, one is addicted to drugs and the other is addicted to smelling the empe...
both do get you high
radiant frigate
You see, one is addicted to drugs and the other is addicted to smelling the empe...
smart fella is a better class anyway
even though both get to have big chopper propaganda
choppaganda?
wind spruce
that insomnia?
Nah just woke up starving and with back pain rip
marble crater
choppaganda?
Peak import of German language rules
marble crater
Nah just woke up starving and with back pain rip
Sorry about the back pain, have you tried eating though?
wind spruce
I mean, if you’re using vent and fire staff then all that stuff is gonna burn an...
Wildfire lets you hit breakpoints/lowers ttk with blaze trauma procs and shriek tho
Two stacks from wildfire means you only need one trauma crit to hit its cap
wind spruce
Sorry about the back pain, have you tried eating though?
Didnt think of that
main crow
Two stacks from wildfire means you only need one trauma crit to hit its cap
That’s a good example
rancid geyser
Wildfire lets you hit breakpoints/lowers ttk with blaze trauma procs and shriek ...
the wildfire convo was about using it with inferno staff i think
marble crater
Didnt think of that
You are welcome
rancid geyser
but yeah with trauma the value does go up a bit imo
thorn cedar
still not sold on infernus
rancid geyser
still not sold on infernus
good
thorn cedar
not that it matters cause i hate the staff in general
rancid geyser
never sell out to infernus
thorn cedar
but deffo wildfire with blaze trauma
four stacks doesnt kill much, but six stacks kills lots
main crow
Ngl I forgot about fire trauma
main crow
I’ll have to try it sometime
Silly EK staff might be my favorite ranged option atm tho
wind spruce
Regardless of which staff wildfires benefit is adding initial stacks you add onto and benefit from soulblazes cracked damage curve
thorn cedar
im just not sold for infernus at all
youre already endlessly outputting soulblaze stacks
im not denying that an enemy with stacks on them before you light them on fire will die faster
im denying that its worth a talent point
rancid geyser
Silly EK staff might be my favorite ranged option atm tho
best range option
dont let the non-believes persuade you otherwise
wind spruce
im just not sold for infernus at all
I hate using that staff too so idk
thorn cedar
for trauma you HAVE to crit to get fire
and your options there are either critmaxxing or true aim
you'd have to land two crits to really make the satff work and it has to be tempo'd too
rancid geyser
im denying that its worth a talent point
i think i said it earlier
thorn cedar
wildfire smooths all of that out tremendously
rancid geyser
if you cant afford the point it's not worth as much as empyric imo
assuming you are even using m1 the way you should
thorn cedar
i think empyric is also shit tbh on every staff lmao
rancid geyser
i think in most cases though there isnt a lot of reason to forgo either on the infernus
main crow
i think empyric is also shit tbh on every staff lmao
Nah, it’s pretty good for EK
thorn cedar
very few things take the five hits
main crow
Empyric also lets you brain burst down a crusher if you’re so inclined
main crow
It’s free damage on tanky things
thorn cedar
its genuinely faster to just start with BB than it is to ES > BB
thorn cedar
except for monsters, admittedly
but vulnerable minds exists
and id still rather not
thorn cedar
yea lots of ethereal/empyric/empathic/whatever
rancid geyser
its genuinely faster to just start with BB than it is to ES > BB
nah Empyric Shock actually helps you do a shit ton of damage
main crow
i thought it jumped to this shitty talent
Ewwww
rancid geyser
legit changes the BP for how many shots you need
for EK 1 crit is all you need for a follow up to kill things like ragers, gunners, and shotgunners
and it also makes killing Armoured Ragers and Maulers way faster
Crushers too if you are actually building to even deal with them
rancid geyser
It’s free damage on tanky things
its free damage on Everything that doesnt die in 1 hit
6% damage is 6% damage minimum value that you'd get from it if not outright killing something
the 2nd shot from a crit will immediately benefit from it
thorn cedar
first shot nothing, second shot 6%, third shot 12%, etc.
on curve its even worse
and surge crit drops most baddies outright
rancid geyser
well maybe in base game it isnt needed
but outside of base game is where empyric shock actually matters
it matters in the event currently too
night moat
Cmon now
rancid geyser
it's also just a free node to path through when making an EK build
part of the reason i take it, and its even better on Disrupt Destiny
basically kills everything you look at with in 2-3 seconds
15 DD stacks is actually crazy with Emyric Shock
rancid geyser
eeeh getting and maintaining 25 stacks in havoc isnt that easy
thorn cedar
i guess you do have to travel down somehow though
rancid geyser
ES really isnt contributing much
the 30% from it is coupled with the rending there and Channeled Force
I can actually show you how painfully slow you'd kill a base damnation crusher otherwise
thorn cedar
god, if only mind in motion were a mandatory travel node
then psyker tree would be perfect
rancid geyser
god, if only mind in motion were a mandatory travel node
in a world where you don't like empyric shock it basically is, no?
thorn cedar
it is not
i wish it was
to travel down you have to take one of:
Empyric Shock (shit)
Wildfire (very situational)
Warp Splitting (perhaps the generic best but situationally can offer nothing)
By Crack of Bone (situationally great to bad)
sometimes your build happens to be a venn diagram that overlaps over none of them
night plover
OHHHHH
I see now, so when you start to lift your hands up without a staff and stuff
thats when you do it?
rancid geyser
psyker legit has the best 2/4 and 3/4 tree choices
thorn cedar
i mean there's some bangers inbetween blitz and aura but
most of it is shit
very vet-like in that regard imo
rancid geyser
all the picks between the Blitz, Auras and Skills are great
can't say any of them are bad imo
main crow
to travel down you have to take one of:
Empyric Shock (shit)
Wildfire (very situ...
Actually does Warp Splitting effect lmb on like EK staves?
thorn cedar
channeled force lol
thorn cedar
Actually does Warp Splitting effect lmb on like EK staves? <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771...
yes but it makes no difference (0.15 cleave to max 0.3 cleave)
main crow
Rip
rancid geyser
it's niche, nothing more or less
thorn cedar
the only surprising warp splitting effect is assail
but most people know that already
main crow
I assume it does nothing for EK rmb either
thorn cedar
nah channeled force is stinky
its actually exceptionally rare that you FULLY 100% charge your staff
sometimes you do
rancid geyser
Actually does Warp Splitting effect lmb on like EK staves? <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771...
it can make your m1 pierce 1 and stop on the next target at 100%
thorn cedar
but you're usually like 40/60/80% casting it or w/e
thorn cedar
I assume it does nothing for EK rmb either
nada
and look i use Mind in Motion and i love it
but its not a great node either lol
thorn cedar
sadly psyker is too ridiculously busted to be making positive changes for
rancid geyser
I actually forget what the talent was called, the one that gave you toughness for generating peril
rancid geyser
Quietude was always the one that gave toughness for quelling
the other one was folded into it
thorn cedar
warp expenditure was the one for generating
rancid geyser
aaah yes
cool name imo
iirc channeled force was the same
it had 2 talents sticking out on that side
rancid geyser
because before i think i remember channeled force only buffing M1s
not M2s
you would just M2 so that M1 would hit harder
spiral fiber
Whats a good no. Infernal staff build for auric and maybe havoc up to 30
quartz orbit
Hello new around here uh… might not be in the right spot to ask for a team for me to grab the cliffhanger achievement
thorn cedar
right spot, maybe wrong time
rancid geyser
Whats a good no. Infernal staff build for auric and maybe havoc up to 30
have you heard of the elektrokinetic staff
best shooty stick in all of tertium?
can snipe without a scope
it's dope
and you'll never go broke, with the good ol' EK
sinful perch
Wow the blast staff is actually pretty fun with a crit build and the blessing that makes it proc soulblaze on crit
Cut heads during sciers gaze and once it ends you can just carpet bomb the map for free
Goodbye inferno Psyker eat shit and die
long saddle
all staves are fine to play tho
rancid geyser
Goodbye inferno Psyker eat shit and die
proud of you graduating from that garbage
dapper flame
i usually run trauma with shriek so i find that the fire blessing is not super useful
long saddle
it helps add more stacks
rancid geyser
^
dapper flame
doesnt it cap at 6?
long saddle
from specific instances there's caps
dapper flame
no blazing spirit
long saddle
you just gotta apply it from a source after with higher caps
dapper flame
yeah exactly
long saddle
6 for blazing
dapper flame
shriek once, blazing spirit is useless
rancid geyser
oh blazing spirit is 6 stacks bust six stacks on top of all other stacks isnt somethign to scoff at
becasue soulblaze damage progression is insane
with the more stacks you apply
cosmic cobalt
stack cap at 31
dapper flame
shriek can take it higher, but blazing doesnt add more after 6
rancid geyser
it doesn't need to do anything after the 6 stacks it applies, you should be killing anything after that and pretty quickly
cosmic cobalt
pc and shriek over cap until 31
dapper flame
yeah but then blazing spirit will basically never apply stacks because you shriek first and theyre at 6 then the blessing does nothing
rancid geyser
shriek can take it higher, but blazing doesnt add more after 6
any situation you'd want to to do more than just apply 6 stacks is a situation you shouldn't be in
the stacks should be enough to help secure kills
dapper flame
??
you run trauma psyker like arby and dive into rotten packs
perma cc and blow them up
rancid geyser
you can legit just slam them few times and then melee >.>
long saddle
I mean rotten is another thing entirely
rancid geyser
I mean rotten is another thing entirely
nah even if it exists it kinda doesnt change shit
still gotta do what does damage
tf are you gunna do, just stare at them?
dapper flame
just take rending so you have a blessing that actually does stuff even after 6 stacks
long saddle
I mean I would run rending in rotten, that's all I'm saying
dapper flame
i would run rending always
long saddle
well not on SG
dapper flame
fs if i have shriek
long saddle
but I've used rending shriek more than blazing lately
only bad thing is that you don't get any EE
cosmic cobalt
but I've used rending shriek more than blazing lately
mentally unstable
rancid geyser
I mean I would run rending in rotten, that's all I'm saying
also ppl act like swapping aint easy
lmao
long saddle
I don't know what you're even talking about atp
cosmic cobalt
swap to melee so you have rending on your dot
rancid geyser
.>
long saddle
uncanny stacking is more of an inferno thing
wind spruce
yeah but then blazing spirit will basically never apply stacks because you shrie...
This is so incorrect holy shit hahahahah
rancid geyser
This is so incorrect holy shit hahahahah
be nice
wind spruce
As if the game just throws every enemy in an engagement directly in shrieks cone all at once
dapper flame
if you have good positioning it does
rancid geyser
if you have good positioning it does
people should not assume that they will always have good positioning
surely you have lost runs
dapper flame
12 second cd
rancid geyser
surely that means that good positioning is also not the end all be all
nor is it a constant that is static
dapper flame
also 2 eletes dead pc 6
rancid geyser
not a very good argument
wind spruce
also 2 eletes dead pc 6
Ah yes pc, the talent with the same area of effect as traumas outer explosion
Thats not a total clown comparison
Definitely not
rancid geyser
wind spruce
https://tenor.com/view/kindness-is-free-comic-sans-nonverbal-communication-frogv...
Im in a bad mood
So ima be mean about darktide
wind spruce
Its this or drown a puppy
Is that what you want @rancid geyser ?!
wind spruce
she on her period
Misogyny wow very cool
rancid geyser
let the lad go!
wind spruce
let the lad go!
Its a girl puppy
rancid geyser
let the Lady go!
cosmic cobalt
I didn't think that one thorough
sinful perch
High peril behavior
wind spruce
I didn't think that one thorough
It happens, especially when shitty outlooks are repeated in media and throughout all culture & society. Recognising and then attempting to short circuit behaviours we dont think through that contribute to harm is something we should all work on
Like me being an asshole to people who are objectively wrong about blaze trauma 
hidden willow
god im bad at psyker. But shit like this definitely does not help
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390479223413800960/1499331730530897972/overhead_mid_air.mp4?ex=69f468fc&is=69f3177c&hm=0dcaeebd889ac21523f95f95bf4201c4b996dcd652aaeb5e85e8851877ec8990&
marble crater
Misogyny wow very cool
Why are you giving compliments, if you wanted to be mean? You are doing it the wrong way around, do you want people to think you are Australian?
wind spruce
Why are you giving compliments, if you wanted to be mean? You are doing it the w...
Yeah nah maybe you're onta somethin' mate
marble crater
Yeah nah maybe you're onta somethin' mate
icy breach
i would run rending always
Mah man knows whats good 
icy breach
yeah but then blazing spirit will basically never apply stacks because you shrie...
Quite true
Thats why blazing blessing should have more than 6 max stacks…
wind spruce
Quite true
Thats why blazing blessing should have more than 6 max stacks…
Its so unbelievably untrue it hurts
Enemies dont cluster up exactly into shrieks cone every 12s or whatever
But yes buff blazing spirit
icy breach
Enemies dont cluster up exactly into shrieks cone every 12s or whatever
They don’t but anti synergy with blazing in 1 way (application before blazing does) is oof
Also with flurry you just kill everything so fast & rending makes elites die faster too
Not to mention better CC cause flurry spam
icy breach
I do like having flurry
Try it; its goated for trauma
wind spruce
Ive used it plenty
icy breach
Its good but has less CC cause slower charge
wind spruce
Flurry blazing