psyker-class

[cosmic cobalt]

anyway i need ball gaze build

[ripe obsidian]

just an off game

[pale prairie]

You gaming right this minute?

Where is my 2.5 million meleeker hero

[cosmic cobalt]

what ball staff dump again

[pale prairie]

Blast radius? Or projectile radius

Make ball smaller

[ripe obsidian]

I am not being meleeker atm

I did rending trauma + shriek, and now on my 2nd game of surge surge

first game went better

[zinc phoenix]

They need to add something that is cool and expeditions isn’t it

[long saddle]

blast radius ye

I wish I had 3 blessings on ball tho

[zinc phoenix]

I declare expeditions lame

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[zinc phoenix]

Well I liked em at the start but it’s repetitive

I’ve been too bored of Darktide for weeks now

When I come back it’ll be missions and not expeditions because I can’t take another second

Even if I want that armor

[cosmic cobalt]

what perk+blessing on ball?

[long saddle]

I think I run nexus surge

[pale prairie]

Depends on what you want, surge is good transfer peril is fun, warp nexus good

[cosmic cobalt]

ball gaze dd

[long saddle]

flak cc perks

[dire wharf]

3 days!

[cosmic cobalt]

im getting a lot of render pass crash wtf

[ripe obsidian]

@pale prairie here's 2.7m damage on rending + shriek

and then the first surge surge game

the second one was... not good

PC itself is only like 5% of my total damage. Honestly probably not worth it.

[cosmic cobalt]

surge feel hella inconsistent

ngl

[ripe obsidian]

Though after I died for the third time, the scum and ogryn duo'd 5 bosses.

At once.

Twins, 1 captain, 1 burgle, 1 weakened c spawn. It was impressive.

[pale prairie]

Yep

But it’s fun

[long saddle]

that's a lot of knives dmg on zealot holy

[ripe obsidian]

It's @slate ledge. He's the best Zealot I know of.

Guy is really good.

[long saddle]

murder

[pale prairie]

Beeeeeeeg relic stab

[ripe obsidian]

Is very big stab

[pale prairie]

Like bigger than the number 6

[ripe obsidian]

But there are two 6s in there

[pale prairie]

1 < 2

[cosmic cobalt]

7

[ripe obsidian]

Look at this nonsense. 58% EE uptime

[thorn cedar]

so much empathy evaded

[dire wharf]

Six do you have zealot builds

[ripe obsidian]

If I evade any more empathy, I might need to pick up a red trucker hat.

[thorn cedar]

wait what's that second DD image representing

[cosmic cobalt]

DD ON KILL EFFECT

[thorn cedar]

the actual trigger?

[cosmic cobalt]

dd on kill effect

[thorn cedar]

WHAT

[cosmic cobalt]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot is one of my least played classes, so I am not helpful there, sadly. I can help with Psyker, Arby, and Scum to some extent. Can't really help much with vet, zealot, or oggy

[ripe obsidian]

the speed boost on kill

[fresh panther]

ainz and cole have solid zealot builds

[thorn cedar]

considering how short that trigger is its actually rather impressive to know that almost 5 entire minutes of a round is spent having it

[fresh panther]

epic cole, that is

[ripe obsidian]

Lots of pewpew

[pale prairie]

Yikes that’s high

[ripe obsidian]

Never don't pewpew

[pale prairie]

Don’t get your pewpew on me

[ripe obsidian]

you cannot stop me

[pale prairie]

Empyric shock LMB inferno Scriers Gaze

[dire wharf]

I was born in stabpewuary

[ripe obsidian]

I put my CDR curios back on. I want more SG.

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds honestly miserable to play

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/that-would-be-the-point-gabriel-jon-hamm-good-omens-that-is-the-message-gif-10707056376288468066

[cosmic cobalt]

bruh istg this scum was cheating

ok ofc he chinese

this man actually have the shittiest build of all time

[cosmic cobalt]

why the fuck dd keep tagging the fucking guy that in cover 40m away instead of the mfs in front of me im actually getting tilted

[ripe obsidian]

A silent mauler silent mauler'd me

[pale prairie]

Moment of Silence

[ripe obsidian]

it was very rude

[kind jay]

atoma is lost

[cosmic cobalt]

maybe i should sleep instead of playing dt for 5 hours after a 12 hours shift

im getting hella tilted

[pale prairie]

double thammer shroudfield zealot....what could go wrong

[ripe obsidian]

Probably many things

[pale prairie]

wait one of them switched to book relic blade

[ripe obsidian]

That silent mauler was one of those moments where I suddenly fell over and had no idea why

If not for the killfeed mod, I would never have known

Like, usually I have an idea what killed me

But that time was sudden and startling

[pale prairie]

like an ainz instant death clip]

[white sky]

My world tbh

[cosmic cobalt]

there must be a lore reason why these mfs play like dogshit after midnight

push the burster

i don't want to build my dd stack for the third time

😭

[white sky]

Depends on your region ime, I can't get good players during normal hours here

Need the 3am no life sweats

Employment fucking up my DT gains

[fresh panther]

True, it's like twice as easy to win a havoc in east NA after midnight I swear

[fathom adder]

They're tired
I'd be tired too

[crisp ether]

I'm fairly certain they fucked up DD's targeting with one of the more recent updates

They fixed that and at some point it started to feel like the fix was undone.

[ripe obsidian]

they also undid the fix to Dark Communion's end event

so enemies can kill you in the cutscene again

[fathom adder]

Yep
Fix a thing and then the fix disappears because Oops! The fix was in Patch n and you forked Patch n+1 off Patch n-1

The Fatshark Way

[jovial juniper]

Accidentally made the plasma gun not explode

So the psyker can't explode either

[slim nimbus]

Inner tranquility or essence harvest, or are they not worth touching

[kind jay]

i was killed by emotional damage

[slim nimbus]

Skissue

[fathom adder]

There are better talents for both peril reduction and toughness generation

[slim nimbus]

I figured

As much as I love the force sword, does the duelling sword out dps it on elites/bosses?

[fathom adder]

Spending Warp Charges makes you faster at spending Warp Charges, which makes it questionable to have a talent based on holding Warp Charges

[jovial juniper]

When there's Warp charges at the function

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, in my missions so far, Perilous Combustion alone keeps me at 45-50% uptime on Souldrinker. Which isn't too bad.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-steak-too-juicy-sarcastic-shrug-gif-12241594544090544701

[kind jay]

the other 50% is downtime from silent maulings

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[jovial juniper]

Anything is fair when you earn your rations on kills

[slim nimbus]

Does an EK staffs m1 out dps a heavy las pistol?

[ripe obsidian]

almost definitely if built for it

but I never use the las pistol, so I know not

[slim nimbus]

Yeah I just use psyker weapons

To use anything else is to doubt your blessed power

[rich spindle]

Las pistol has way better unyielding, other than that they seem roughly equal

[jovial juniper]

yo

lowpsykenuinely

kinda hard

featurin good aim

this should cover all the meaninful armor typrs

ok fine Ill get unamrode top

unarmored too

hmmm

maybe its weaker because it targets bodies?

Definitely not because it's AoE

[jovial juniper]

Also it can CRIT

?!?!?!?!!?!

It procced EE

[kind jay]

what are you listening to

its kinda fire

[jovial juniper]

https://open.spotify.com/album/19iOVTrx4O0TtJypMsrDI6

"Fallen Hero"

[kind jay]

yesss added

[jovial juniper]

It is the goat Kunigami after all

Rip Hero

🫡

[slim nimbus]

Does killing something with soulblaze count as a warp kill

[jovial juniper]

Yes

[jovial juniper]

Also

WLO is pretty goated

[dire wharf]

Does warp beam count as warp kills

[kind jay]

yeah ima go down the list rn. loudly

warp beam is a warp attack yes

[jovial juniper]

Damn I low-key forgot how goated WLO is

War in Shibuya

Humans vs Gods

But then I remember these are specials so they are kinda lengthy

But still

Any WLO song is goated

I'mma stop myself there otherwise I'm going to go in a tangent

And well

https://tenor.com/view/theres-no-limit-to-the-glaze-flight-riding-ftc-glazed-donut-gif-13467296479651443764

[ripe obsidian]

Does Assail count as a warp kill? What about Brain Rupture? And EK LMB?

[zealous wing]

i forget, does shockmaul dot count as warp

and does gunner res have diminishing returns?

[silent frigate]

it def does tho

KEKE

[thorn cedar]

if i fart on it and im a psyker and then it dies is that a warp kill

oh hell yea got my tax return

[slim nimbus]

Did you wait till the last minute to do your taxes

[wind spruce]

The actual answer to this is it depends whats going to hit you next, btw

If its another gunner shot, no diminishing returns. If it's literally anything else (including nothing), diminishing returns.

[kind jay]

assail is tagged as jolly_rancher_green so no it counts as a diabeetus kill

not even nurgle can survive low blood sugar

[jovial juniper]

In fact

Since it's ranch

[ripe obsidian]

Of course. How foolish of me

[jovial juniper]

It'll summon ranch enjoyers and ranch haters on proc

[ripe obsidian]

I am now imagining a ranch-flavored Jolly Rancher, and I wish I were not

[zealous wing]

there are worse hypothetical flavours

if it tastes exactly like ranch but sweeter it'd be better than a ketchup flavoured one

[ripe obsidian]

I'm struggling to find a Surge Surge SG build that really clicks for me.

[pale prairie]

surstromming flavored jolly rancher

[ripe obsidian]

Surge Surge Shriek is easier to build, because fire

But most SG builds, I feel like I would be more effective just going meleeker

In particular it's the middle part of the tree where I feel like I have to waste points

[kind jay]

my surge surge ek is just all the damage nodes

nothing else

that includes procing channeled force and trying to maintain mm

everything

all the damage

[ripe obsidian]

Fascinating

This is what I am currently toying with

[ripe obsidian]

That is, in fact, all the damage

[kind jay]

i like it. forces me to actively use everything, lmb, rmb, weapon swap

[zealous wing]

no pots

[kind jay]

TRUE

I FUCKED UP

[zealous wing]

pots stocks in shambles

[kind jay]

shit build

[zealous wing]

failure

[kind jay]

hmm lets see

i could drop soulstealer aaaand

[zealous wing]

EE isnt damage

[kind jay]

my balls arent big enough to drop EE

[zealous wing]

no elite damage aura either

damn

slacking

do you use FGS as well?

[kind jay]

true but i want all the scrier cd ever

i do

[zealous wing]

rip

good, but, rip

lightning speed nerf why fatshark

[kind jay]

ok im gonna run this build and see what happens. who needs toughtness if everything is dead?

and if im dead, i dont need toughness anyways

[zealous wing]

trueee

[kind jay]

its a win win

[zealous wing]

EZ

and, besides

scriers regens toughness

just stay alive, easy

[kind jay]

and i have the perfect testing map. histg gloriana with pugs

[zealous wing]

what could POSSIBLY go WRONG

[kind jay]

nothing i am literally channeling stone cold steve austin himself at this point

[zealous wing]

[fringe tangle]

Random psyker staff idea:

A staff that is both a ranged and melee weapon in how it performs.

[zealous wing]

great idea, staff special needs a buff

[kind jay]

it was aite

i hate perfectionism tho. going back to lingering

im trash at keeping stacks

[zealous wing]

71 ranged dama- how the fuc-

[kind jay]

thats a question that has no answer

[fringe tangle]

Light attacks would be empowered staff melee strikes that would be wide crowd controlling attacks that have a bunch of stagger and decent damage, while the right click would be a death beam for single target damage. The special attack would be an outward force explosion that also vents peril (but has like a 15 second cooldown so it can't get spammed), sort of like that move you can do in the Force Unleashed games.

[zealous wing]

i know grenades do a little damage upon impact,

[ripe obsidian]

Explain the 320k soulblaze damage, if you were using SG. >:(

[zealous wing]

but nothing actually went off or there'd be more ranged damage

and no range kills

[kind jay]

WAIT

ITS THE WRONG ONE

[zealous wing]

did it do the "hah i didnt save your scoreboard" thing

[zealous wing]

ah nice

[kind jay]

no i didnt copy the right one

sry

[crisp ether]

I mean DD is kinda fucked rn so

[zealous wing]

still tho

71 range damage

[ripe obsidian]

No u

[crisp ether]

Truke

[zealous wing]

180 melee tells me they probably joined late, but you never know

[crisp ether]

But yeah DD targeting is

Not ideal

[zealous wing]

they definitely didnt throw 30 grenades

and it wasnt a killing blow with a throwing knife or something, else there'd be a kill

[crisp ether]

It feels like how it used to before they adjusted it to, not be annoying

[kind jay]

that other one i posted from was an earlier no mans land

i have no idea how that guy did that low

fell asleep i guess

[zealous wing]

what class? if you recall

[crisp ether]

Pacifist run

[zealous wing]

HAH

[kind jay]

i dont remember

[zealous wing]

might be an oggy

rock to crusher maybe

idk how much dmg that does

[kind jay]

hmm does scoreboard not show class icon? i guess i never noticed that

[zealous wing]

they took 292 dmg, no healing station, no death, 1 down

if they were a squishier operative they probably woulve have sought medicae

[ripe obsidian]

Escort quest time. 3 players in H40 have to keep the 4th alive. 4th can use defensive abilities, like VoC, and can dodge and block, but is not allowed to attack or kill anything

[zealous wing]

i would unironically love to try being the pacifist in this scenario

[crisp ether]

I've done this with a chorus zealot pacifist in their 40 before

It was fun lol

[zealous wing]

ooh does a shout pushing a burster, or pushing a burster in general, count as a kill

it does in killfeed

[crisp ether]

It does in scoreboard terms but I don't think that should count

[zealous wing]

so no burster shoving either

[crisp ether]

That would mean that person is eventually gonna die to some bs because bursters be like that

[zealous wing]

castiarb

[crisp ether]

And chorus/VoC

[zealous wing]

hug them all, in the name of the lex

[crisp ether]

Would also cause that

[kind jay]

if its the other 3's job to protect, someone else should be pushing

[zealous wing]

gold toughness lets you tank one, casti lets you tank several. you'll still take chip but, you'll live

would have to be dogless as well

[crisp ether]

Often enough, you won't be able to push something going for someone else

Game just be like that

[zealous wing]

god that was annoying tho

in tonights 40, tauntgryn

burster running for us, is taunted, but i think "hey maybe i can push it over to shoot it safely... no? ok ill let it run by" it turns around IMMEDIATELY because aggro dropped and nearly got me killed

fatshark fix your SHIT pleeeaaaaaase

this game would be so epic if the basics didnt "nuh uh" half the time

[slim nimbus]

Crystalline will why do you call to me

[zealous wing]

because suipsyker is funni

[slim nimbus]

Do psykers have access to extra wounds?

[rancid geyser]

showing heretics how bombastic the warp can be?

[zealous wing]

only from curios

[slim nimbus]

i c

[slim nimbus]

I mean I guess it also exists as a failsafe for if you fuck up

[kind jay]

its not a bad idea when youre learning how to do stuff

[long saddle]

yeah I ran CW a lot early to not have ppl have to rez me all the time

[kind jay]

personally i dont even think its bad a higher levels.

[long saddle]

wounds or CW?

[kind jay]

wounds

cw too tbh

[long saddle]

it's negligible on havoc since it still requires a rez

[slim nimbus]

The game auto stops you from killing yourself with peril though

Unless you really fuck up and just brrrrrr

[long saddle]

auto stops?

[kind jay]

i cant speak for havoc as i dont play it

[long saddle]

are you thinking of rmb smite?

that's not how any other peril stuff works

[slim nimbus]

Even staff powerups etc

They seem to be good to go if it's under 100%

[long saddle]

that depends

you can charge below 100 and not pop

[slim nimbus]

Yeah

[zealous wing]

if you cast at 100 you explode

[slim nimbus]

It just seems kind of difficult to accidentally blow yourself up

[zealous wing]

even pros explode

[kind jay]

i blew up like 8 times today

[zealous wing]

the more stuff going on there is, the easier it is

[kind jay]

and I'm true level 2200+

[zealous wing]

especially if suddenly your flow pops and not enough elites/specials die

[kind jay]

mistakes happen

[long saddle]

yeah the game isn't don't let your peril go beyond 100%

[slim nimbus]

Yeah if things are all over the fucking place I assume it could happen

[long saddle]

it is kill a million things WHILE not letting your peril go beyond 100%

and you use said peril to kill things with

[zealous wing]

EK has betrayed me so many times

RMB SG EK specifically

if you charge and fire within WU, and WU ends before the cast ends, you die

its EVIL

[long saddle]

ye ive prob gotten bopped by that

I think most of my pops are shriek still on cooldown

most of my saves are shriek coming off cooldown with half a second to spare

[zealous wing]

a lot of my explosions are 0.3 or less to shriek coming back

several where it comes back literally right as i go down

[kind jay]

mistiming shriek is my favorite

[long saddle]

yeah but if you get that frame perfect save tho

[zealous wing]

seldom 😭

[long saddle]

my two psykers are almost at the same level now

[zealous wing]

im either pefectly safe, or still had a few milliseconds of animation to go, i've not yet had much of the "just in time"

nice

[long saddle]

my male has caught up like a 100 level lead

[zealous wing]

i've got

uh

a ways to go for that

[long saddle]

they're both around 320 atm

[long saddle]

ogryn is just my highest because I only have one of him

[zealous wing]

i dont think i will close this gap soon

[long saddle]

two psykers, two zealots, used to have two vets, two scums (atm)

[cosmic cobalt]

actual mental illness

[zealous wing]

one of each for me, then 4 psyker slots

[long saddle]

I like running one male and female so

can use different builds with same drip without overlap

[zealous wing]

i change drip so often, dedicated build drip doesnt last

except vet i think

i think vet can stay the way he is

for now

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[zealous wing]

shriek surge surge or classic burninate?

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno

[zealous wing]

ah i could have read

am dumb

[long saddle]

im guessing not rotten

[ripe obsidian]

it was rot

rot + 21st

[long saddle]

huh ok, was surprised by amount of kills so

[zealous wing]

uncanny go brr

[ripe obsidian]

didn't use uncanny very much tbh

[buoyant maple]

between these 2, which do yall think is better

1. +66% toughness, +15% health
2. +49% toughness, +21% health, 3 perk slots for smth else (potentially +36% health)

looking for some informed opinions

[ripe obsidian]

For what difficulty?

[buoyant maple]

any u can think of

[slim nimbus]

I think the math and potential says the latter

[ripe obsidian]

I'd probably say the latter, of the two.

But I only run one 5% health, and no 21%

[buoyant maple]

49% vs 66% toughness is approx 119 vs 133 toughness for zealot/psyker/hive scum in h40

[ripe obsidian]

Unrelated, I have defended my crown in the 7th Annual Tertium Psyker-Off

@rich spindle

[buoyant maple]

how much toughness do u usually run

[rich spindle]

BEST SPECIAL DPS YESSSS

RAHHH

[ripe obsidian]

3x 17%

[buoyant maple]

and no perks for toughness?

[ripe obsidian]

No 5% ones, no

[buoyant maple]

wats ur curio perk setup then

cooldown, gunner, 5% health, and what

[ripe obsidian]

3x gunner resist, 3x cdr, 2x revive speed, 1x health

[buoyant maple]

cool

[rich spindle]

That’s what I do expect 3x revive speed and I die like a real man

[ripe obsidian]

Could swap revive speed for toughness or health if you wanted. I don't feel more health/toughness makes a meaningful difference

[buoyant maple]

I was thinking cuz +66% toughness could get vet up to 199.2 toughness in h40 if u fork out a point somewhere and grab both +25 toughness nodes

which is pretty comical

[rich spindle]

That’s what my homie Chungus runs on vet

Max toughness

[buoyant maple]

and lets just say that 200 toughness is crazy

[ripe obsidian]

I end up with 121 toughness and 106 HP

[buoyant maple]

my concern with 15% vs 21% HP is that 15% HP gets 1 tapped by sniper

[ripe obsidian]

You shouldn't

[buoyant maple]

which is like, yea u can just dodge
but also sniper audio doesn't exist if ur not the target and get hit by its penetration

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think I die to one sniper shot with 5% HP?

I have shut down my PC and can't test

[buoyant maple]

sniper shot is 122.5 dmg

+15%hp gets u 120

[rich spindle]

I’ve never been sniped in my life

[ripe obsidian]

I'm fairly confident I've survived sniper shots, but my confidence might be misplaced.

[rich spindle]

Does sniper ignore tdr

[ripe obsidian]

10x toughness damage

[rich spindle]

Wtfff

[buoyant maple]

sniper shot does 1225 toughness dmg which u will not tank without gold

or some really stupid & totally irrelevant DR stack

[rich spindle]

So when it one shots your toughness like that you get 0 toughness taken into account?

[ripe obsidian]

It does full spillover

So

If it breaks toughness, you take full damage

[rich spindle]

I see

[buoyant maple]

yes

and u take full 122.5

[ripe obsidian]

Full Spillover: If the attack depletes toughness, its damage is dealt in full to health as if the player did not have any toughness.

[buoyant maple]

global DR can counter this, like psyker's JaD

[rich spindle]

Uh does psyker have health Dr beside that one 10% node

[ripe obsidian]

Just a Dream

[rich spindle]

I see

[ripe obsidian]

I need to remember to swap my aura back to CDR

[rich spindle]

Just a dream should be able to counter 97 damage max right

[buoyant maple]

JaD is x75%?

[ripe obsidian]

Is not limited to 97 damage

[ripe obsidian]

Ye

[rich spindle]

Oh yeah it has peril scaling too

[buoyant maple]

then u take just shy of 92 from sniper shot

JaD is same value of x75% until u hit 97% critical peril

very op talent

[verbal thistle]

Immaterial focus and just a dream

[rich spindle]

Can you live with just immaterial focus

[ripe obsidian]

JaD functions fully so long as you're under 97% peril

[rich spindle]

What da

[ripe obsidian]

So 96% still blocks 25% of damage

Just a Dream

[buoyant maple]

yea very op talent

[rich spindle]

Holy

It’s way better than I thought then

[buoyant maple]

it's the best talent in that row

[rich spindle]

Still not taking that tho cus it makes me blow up with ek staff

[ripe obsidian]

It's very good. I don't like it outside meleeker, tho. Screws with peril management

[buoyant maple]

and yea it's the only downside

idk I kinda am iffy abt 66% vs 49% toughness

[ripe obsidian]

I've run into no issues with snipers with my curio setup

[buoyant maple]

worst case I fork out a sniper resist on vet? ig?

[rich spindle]

I die in one shot but I dont have just a dream

Or immaterial focus

[ripe obsidian]

Most of my deaths are silent overheads, knots of chonky m21 guys I can't hack through, or random flamers appearing 2 inches behind me and shoving me against the wall with a gout of fire

I was also the only Psyker in that H40 run not to go down, but it's kinda unfair to compare since I was using trauma. Is very safe weapon.

[buoyant maple]

66% only seems rly gud if I can fork out a talent point for right side's +25 toughness it seems

[ripe obsidian]

Does 200ish toughness give you any meaningful breakpoint? I mean, every bit helps survive ranged firefights, but I feel like after a point you aren't really gonna survive either way

Like, what will 180 or whatever toughness not do that 200 will?

[buoyant maple]

lets say I fork out a gunner resist for a sniper resist (x0.8^2), at 199.2 toughness, that's ~310 effective toughness vs gunners
but on a 95 toughness setup with triple gunner resist and +49% toughness, that's ~276 effective toughness vs gunners

the discrepancy is there but it's not huge for gunners

but it is a significant difference vs non-gunner ranged units

[long saddle]

I think I've skipped all my various 1 sniper resists for just gunner ones on all my classes

[buoyant maple]

95 with +49% gets 141.55, that's more than 50 toughness off from 199.2

there's no shooter/stalker DR either

[long saddle]

FS gotta get us somehow

[buoyant maple]

idk wats a good 1 fill perk for curio

ngl

revive speed doesn't matter that much after 2

2.419 vs 2.205s to full revive/rescue someone

~0.2s of difference

[radiant frigate]

ah so like lore accurate unchained

[rich spindle]

The 0.2 can matter

[zealous wing]

the number of res' that have been frame perfect before i get kicked off of them is unfair

0.2s can and DOES matter, just, when it goes fine you dont notice, and when it goes poorly you dont usually think "damn i only needed 0.1s more" its "GAH FUCK YOU DOG"

or mutie, or trapper net, or plogryn, or burster, or rager, etc

[patent hatch]

Personally I take 3 toughness curios

All with + max health + toughness and then 1 with + stam one with + revive speed one with gunner resistance

[radiant frigate]

idk i'm team "just don't die"

[patent hatch]

Unless your zealot why take wounds smh

[buoyant maple]

yea just not super frequent

man I wish curio perks were more interesting

[patent hatch]

Eh

Its the same from vermintide tbh. 9/10 you run a set build and there's niche situation where you run a slightly different one for break points

But we dont get power VS on our curios

Sooo no break points

😨

[buoyant maple]

I wish block cost in DT was as good as the one in VT2

[novel yoke]

The monkey's paw curls a finger

You now have "+5% toughness when sliding and under the effect of a stimm, but only 4 seconds after a heavy attack"

[buoyant maple]

I also kinda wish DT stamina regen delay didn't get reset by dodge

[patent hatch]

Tbh im happy its not as OP

[novel yoke]

Big difference is that vt is so primarily melee in that game that they have to make it that good

It's not so much that case in DT

[patent hatch]

in V2 basically all melee weapons ran block cost, crit chance, swift slaying

[buoyant maple]

DT's block cost curio perk is genuinely ass in comparison

[patent hatch]

Then shields ran parry +2 stam and block cost

It was even less variety than DT tbh

[buoyant maple]

yes

doesn't mean the one in DT has to suck ass

[novel yoke]

Tbh the worst part of it is that it's on a curio.

[buoyant maple]

x88% block cost ^3 is genuinely not good

even triple stack is only ~32% less block cost than normal

I'm of the opinion that sprint & block efficiency perks should get merged into global stamina cost reduction

can be low value individually but it applies to every stamina-costing action

[patent hatch]

Valid

[zealous wing]

i like this idea much more than 50 base toughness on psyker

[patent hatch]

If it was on weapons instead of curios I could see myself running it sometimes

[buoyant maple]

one is an actual suggestion, one is a joke

[radiant frigate]

whar

[novel yoke]

Whar never changes

[zealous wing]

[patent hatch]

Yar

[radiant frigate]

counterpoint: nuh uh

[zealous wing]

D:

[buoyant maple]

with that said, if psyker DPS is to stay this way (hopefully not lol), psyker toughness prob deserves to get dropped from 125 currently to like 100

[radiant frigate]

if shield why not run +skaven +bcr +opportunist to stagger plague monks on push

[patent hatch]

I meeean you could do that as well

[radiant frigate]

parry is complete overkill

[buoyant maple]

I also think maybe curios can have not pure defense

like

[radiant frigate]

with the exception of maybe kruber spield because that is basically a normal weapon with improved pushes and blocks

[buoyant maple]

I wouldn't object to +2~3% move speed as a curio perk

[radiant frigate]

autoinclude 100% of the time gg

[patent hatch]

Im 90% sure that you can hit break points without pwr vs on foot Knight as well

[buoyant maple]

or +2~3% melee atk speed as a curio perk tbh

[radiant frigate]

i also would not object to the triple curio system of vt2 where you have defensive/utility/offensive

[patent hatch]

Give me swift slaying

[novel yoke]

Oh dude if we got movement speed curio I'd go crazy. Rev it up shroudfield zealot to hit 90km/h

[buoyant maple]

I mentioned this as maybe ogryn talent before

[radiant frigate]

is that faster than knife though

[quartz barn]

Full ms scum

[novel yoke]

Or just slap it on hive ganger

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-running-funny-weird-gif-14261571

[novel yoke]

Ganger movement speed is already crazy

[patent hatch]

The day they just make ogryn normal size is the day I play it

[radiant frigate]

what if they made ogryn.. short

[buoyant maple]

never happening lol

[novel yoke]

I think when you use the rev its faster during that, but slower in between

[patent hatch]

Exactly

[buoyant maple]

but I wouldn't mind smth like swift slaying for ogryn

[frail crest]

When it comes to minmaxing builds and weapon combinations. I’m assuming I don’t have to worry about that unless I’m doing havoc/auric? I don’t really have any plans to do endgame content. I just run missions to gather resources and chill.

[radiant frigate]

anyway what's the ETA on the warp freezing over

[buoyant maple]

it's the only class that wouldn't be immediately busted op with swift slaying

[novel yoke]

Bro wants humyn what the hell

No ogre, just human

[quartz barn]

Human with pickaxe snd shield

[patent hatch]

No i just don't like not being able to take cover lol

[novel yoke]

"Give me an ogryn with nothing on it" type shit

[zealous wing]

aurics no, midhigh/high havocs a bit more

everything works auric below

just depends on skill

[patent hatch]

You can run meme builds in auric and get away with it

[buoyant maple]

it'd be rly gud but competing vs health/gunner/toughness/stam cost, I think it would at least be interesting in choice

[zealous wing]

some nodes though are always "never take this unless its a meme build because theres 0 benefit"

like puppet master

[frail crest]

Thanks man, I’m really bad at making builds synergise atm. I like to think I’m relatively good at the game. I rarely get hit and have good block and dodge so

[zealous wing]

and penetration of the soul

[patent hatch]

Isn't that + cleave on peril? Can't remember what it does

[zealous wing]

warp splitting is the cleave one

[patent hatch]

Ahh

[zealous wing]

pots is rending on warp attacks which, is pretty useless

[novel yoke]

And you'll always be in some dumbass situation like.

Me watching the revolver veteran use shock trooper

[patent hatch]

Yea was gonna say warp splitting is fire as all hell

[frail crest]

I’m putting my time into getting optimal dump rolls on weapons atm

[zealous wing]

trueeee

plasma gun shock trooper is the funniest tho

[patent hatch]

Ah yeah no ty

[buoyant maple]

shock trooper is too expensive to run anyway

[zealous wing]

its fun on hellbore

who needs ammo? not me, take it all, bigman

[buoyant maple]

I with vet bottom left wasn't so ass

[novel yoke]

It's like the most common talent known to man bruh

Everyone and their cyber mastiff uses recon or infantry lasguns

I can't speak for havoc but the ppl seen in auric are like this

[zealous wing]

my annoyance is vets not taking field improv, nor revive shout

[buoyant maple]

it's 3 points to reach on a class with like 8 actual talent points' worth of choice including blitz + ability + keystone (so actually more like 5 points of choice)

[zealous wing]

mostly field improv

[novel yoke]

Revive shout is like... maybe they don't know. No field improv is the chair for sure

[buoyant maple]

field improv is overrated
revive shout is whatever

[patent hatch]

I'll revive shout in auric and below. But in havoc not a chance lol

[zealous wing]

lol why

no downside

[buoyant maple]

costs 1 point

on a class with 5 points of choice

[novel yoke]

Nah man tf u mean overrated, grenade pickups are so rare sometimes

[patent hatch]

The over upgrade is better as well

[zealous wing]

and? its a free instant res or two

[buoyant maple]

if they rly wanted every vet to have it, they should have made it a class iconic

[zealous wing]

plasma gun is overrated and that motherfucker is everywhere

[buoyant maple]

vet middle section is literally choosing mid vs mid vs mid

[patent hatch]

Revolver or go home

[novel yoke]

Fatshark isn't known for good decisions and well thought out philosophy

Dsword is a good example

[buoyant maple]

vet tree needs 2~3 points freed up to be more than "the build"

[novel yoke]

My point exactly

[buoyant maple]

and there're a lot of changes that could be done to get those 2~3 points freed up

[novel yoke]

But fs won't do that

[buoyant maple]

field improv is one of them

[buoyant maple]

who knows lol

I've been bugging playtester for months

[novel yoke]

Half the time fs doesn't even listen to playtesters...

[zealous wing]

choice always seems to be between field improv or bleed on melee

[radiant frigate]

what's so bad about duolingo

[novel yoke]

Ah yes the duolingo sword

[buoyant maple]

ranged cleave is pretty weapon specific (it is good on guns with 3 or higher cleave)
field improv is a forced tax
serrated blade is good for like 4 weapons and all for very specific niche reasons

[novel yoke]

Its just a big green feather

[buoyant maple]

mid vs mid vs mid

[radiant frigate]

duolingo sword is excellent for the occasional dueleo

[zealous wing]

field improv is the only one of those saving games

[buoyant maple]

shud hav been class iconic if they wanted every vet to have it

[zealous wing]

should have

[buoyant maple]

and iron will moved to replace its current spot

[radiant frigate]

should give street tough as a class iconic to ogryn

[buoyant maple]

so that ur not stuck putting 3 points on the same row when u could be going down

[novel yoke]

Probably thought it's too strong to not cost a point tbh

[zealous wing]

the fact that zealot and scum have antidog, and arby has TWO methods of anti dog, while oggy has ZERO is so fucking stupid

[buoyant maple]

street tough just mega op

[radiant frigate]

the master's retribution

[novel yoke]

Though it would be very nice to always have field improv any time a veteran is on

[buoyant maple]

og has 1?

[radiant frigate]

yeah but it's 30s cd and situational on a keystone that i don't think is picked very much

[buoyant maple]

it's just locked to a keystone and not the good one

[radiant frigate]

vs no thoughts autoinclude

fnp was good once

in the "lol just bleed everything" arc that ogryn had

and when it didn't have stacks stripped away from stray ranged shots that did not scratch your health

(i still think that is a stupid change)

[buoyant maple]

current melee/stagger power maul taunt og is prob the strongest og has ever gotten

[patent hatch]

I do love me some taunt, power maul, grenade launcher

Boom boom boom

[buoyant maple]

it's just hilarious

[radiant frigate]

paul relevant at last?

[buoyant maple]

it's more than relevant

I think it's genuine t0 melee given melee/impact build

it sucks at monster dps unlike the other 3 t0 melees but it's remarkably safe + skullcrusher peak value

[patent hatch]

Paul feels a little busted tbh

[buoyant maple]

it kinda is

explosion radius & dmg needs reduction

base weapon can afford to be a big stronger instead of purely crutching on skullcrusher

[patent hatch]

Is it any good with the + explosion talent

Not sure of the normal explosion size so can't work out if its over kill or not

[buoyant maple]

with power surge blessing + blast radius talent the explosion is almost 11m radius

which is a hilariously large area

[patent hatch]

Lmao

Might have to go built into melee power as well

Thats hilarious

[buoyant maple]

I use this

[radiant frigate]

radius, not diameter?

[buoyant maple]

7.2x(1+0.25+0.275) = 10.98m radius

[radiant frigate]

yuge

no emotional support gun though?

[buoyant maple]

og guns unfortunately mostly ass

gatekept by PBB

just like how og melee is all gatekept by heavy hitter

[radiant frigate]

i meant steady grip

[buoyant maple]

eh

it's ok but

GG doesn't need it

new hotfix

[zealous wing]

no more antidog for scum

kek

[radiant frigate]

is this true

[buoyant maple]

supposedly yes

gud change

but still op talent lol

[radiant frigate]

@bigfish patch notes when

[buoyant maple]

it's on forums already

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-1-11-4-patch-notes/120830

[zealous wing]

KEK

FINALLY

[radiant frigate]

yooo

no more fake +3 stam

that's insane

[zealous wing]

FINALLYYY

fucking HELL they're slow

[wind spruce]

Fixed an issue where certain Curios could give less Stamina than what was displayed in the description.

Bruh

• Hive Scum talents ‘Adrenaline Smiter’ and ‘Splash Damage’ now count kills from attacks that latch on to enemies.

Poor DD

• Fixed an issue that was causing enemies to spawn too early at the start of some levels

BOOOOO

[zealous wing]

i find it funny that they removed street tough from working on dogs

[radiant frigate]

"issue"

[zealous wing]

no real reason to take street tough now

[radiant frigate]

i find it funny that street tough still exists

#giveittoogrynordeleteitfromexistence

[radiant frigate]

it's for when you want to mash your face into a rager blob and not dodge

[zealous wing]

is heavy attack to the face of the rager too hard?

[wind spruce]

Lmao nice ragebait

[zealous wing]

if i wanna facetank ragers withoutr dodging i do castiarb

[radiant frigate]

no no i mean you eat one hit and they all get staggered and then you carve them up

gégé

[zealous wing]

i know im not taking street tough anymore, no point. didnt have it until i realised it worked on dogs, now it doesnt work on dogs, now its back to a free point for me

[wind spruce]

Classic hexis garbage

[radiant frigate]

i mean there still is a point

[zealous wing]

i also know i'm not the only one

[radiant frigate]

but i also wish it didn't exist

so, it be how it be

hive scum just got a little more playable

[wind spruce]

Its OP. You can not want to run it and still admit that.

[radiant frigate]

street tough is still a powerful safety net

just slightly less dumb now

[wind spruce]

Saying theres no point in it is regardation

[radiant frigate]

psyker should get a talent that conjures a voidblast explosion at your location when you take a melee hit

[wind spruce]

Make it on ranged hit only

Hilarious lack of synergy

[radiant frigate]

no no

it will make the traitors think they have traitors among them

the forbidden double cross

[wraith sphinx]

that's so terrible it might actually work

the "psykers are terrible at melee" crowd would latch onto that and vindicate themselves

[wind spruce]

Psykers are bad at melee though

[wraith sphinx]

🧐

oh true you're right actually

[wind spruce]

Stupid worm

[wraith sphinx]

a few days ago I fumbled dodging a crusher clown car and died

they fucking suck at melee confirmed

[wind spruce]

Bite damnit

[wraith sphinx]

get better material sir

[wind spruce]

Im in a pizza coma

[wraith sphinx]

oh RIP 😔

[wraith sphinx]

ooh looks nice tho, homemade?

[wind spruce]

Bocconcini goes so hard

[buoyant maple]

which one are they

[zealous wing]

sienna red and... kerillion? white

basically vibrant redhead and whiter white than base game white

but i am unfamiliar with VT2 characters

[buoyant maple]

Only female characters?

[patent hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-saltzpyre-gif-3758055130217920575

[wraith sphinx]

What? He's talking about hair colors

[patent hatch]

Saltz Pattern hairloss

[buoyant maple]

Yea idk which hairstyles are from owning VT2

[zealous wing]

colours not styles

iirc

[patent hatch]

There's colours for owning 2 🤔

Didnt know that

[buoyant maple]

Ik there’re tattoos from owning VT2

[zealous wing]

yeah

on steam for both only tho

[buoyant maple]

And the tattoos are really cool looking

[patent hatch]

Huh

As someone with both on steam ima have to check that out

[wraith sphinx]

its hair colors, tatoos and eye colors

[patent hatch]

Hmmhh

Is that the burnt red on psyker eyes?

[wraith sphinx]

yes

[patent hatch]

Huh

I had no idea

Might have to swap to that

Gotta show love for my fav gal

[buoyant maple]

They should have labelled which are from what

[patent hatch]

That would be nice

[buoyant maple]

Only class-exclusive hairstyles are labelled atm

[patent hatch]

Tbh the first thing I tried in dark tide was the

[wraith sphinx]

perhaps

[patent hatch]

Trauma staff

Cause of it being fun in v2

[wraith sphinx]

also lol theres patch notes out on steam but the c hanges aren't live yet

[buoyant maple]

Expedition changes are backend

[wraith sphinx]

I downloaded the update and my mods reset but I see nothing player facing from the patch notes yet

and I know they're backend

[zealous wing]

idk, my VT2 hair colours are back

if thats what you mean

ah lol

[patent hatch]

Any thoughts on a anti armour melee which is super fast.

Been using, dueling sword, revolver and assail

[dusk timber]

Deimos force sword

Knife

[patent hatch]

Hmhmh is the knife actually any good against carapace and such?

[dusk timber]

Yes

[patent hatch]

Fair enough

Haven't given it a shot

Time to level one up

[long saddle]

uncanny strike does a lot of lifting

[patent hatch]

Makes sense

Uncanny strike dueling sword is already one of the funnest weapons so im sure this will feel good as well

tbf I say that but I don't use it on most of my builds anyway

[calm ruin]

Strongest Psyker build today?

[patent hatch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous wing]

check the build guide in the pins

[patent hatch]

probs flame psyker with venting shriek (for raw dps)

[zealous wing]

remember, strongest =/= meta

and yeah inferno shriek siphon

[patent hatch]

Like

That shit slaps

I don't play it and dislike people playing it in my lobby

but no denying that it slaps

[wind wind]

Ah yes
The emperors holy toothpick. Its insane how boringly good it is.

[patent hatch]

I basically only run it with

Staff builds

Which oh the irony is my least played psyker build lol

[calm ruin]

Oh awesome, thank you.

[wind wind]

I have it on my Flame psyker and my Experimental bubble Smite vigilant autogun meme build

[patent hatch]

Only staff I really play a little is

Trauma

So with dueling sword it is so safe

and can deal with basically any enemies

[wind spruce]

Trauma is bestest

[cloud folio]

what is trauma staff

[wind spruce]

Inferno is for losers

[patent hatch]

The big circle which explodes on the ground

[wind spruce]

Always has been

[patent hatch]

TBF

[cloud folio]

ahhh why is that trauma

[patent hatch]

on release it was eh

Cause it's called the trauma staff

🤔

[zealous wing]

trauma is the old and better name for it

[patent hatch]

Wait was it renamed?

[long saddle]

yes

[cloud folio]

have never seen trauma player in a while

[zealous wing]

voidblast

[patent hatch]

oh lmao

Ok I thought that was an error

I could of sworn the void blast is the cannon ball staff

[long saddle]

I don't call EK surge unless it's surge surge

[zealous wing]

voidstrike

[long saddle]

bc funny naming

[patent hatch]

ah

[long saddle]

I like calling it ball

[patent hatch]

Lightning staff, Fire Staff, Trauma Staff, Cannon Staff

is there one im forgetting

idk

[long saddle]

no

[wind spruce]

Yes

[patent hatch]

shit mb

[zealous wing]

ek, inferno, trauma, strike, thats all

[wind spruce]

Columnus staff

[patent hatch]

Gun Staff

https://tenor.com/view/dnd-dnd-memes-wizard-gun-gif-17564459094201955192

[zealous wing]

gun isnt a staff because it doesnt have the ability to stagger a crusher out of an overhead

[patent hatch]

fair lmao

[long saddle]

idt I've ever staff bonked a crusher

[long saddle]

I've only burgle bonked

[zealous wing]

me either but it funny

[wind spruce]

Its facts

[patent hatch]

its not realistic

but its possible

and thats funmny

[zealous wing]

realism? with my space wizards?

[patent hatch]

The seer is perfectly sane and I will not be told otherwise

[zealous wing]

perfectly sane

[wind spruce]

Otherwise

[zealous wing]

perfectlyyyyy normal behaviour

[patent hatch]

See the reality is

[wind spruce]

"Look at me, mum! I can shoot pretty flames!"

[patent hatch]

Either the seer is sane

and we are all insane

[wind spruce]

Lame and childish

[patent hatch]

or the seer is insane

[wind spruce]

Now... placing pretty blue circles on the ground? That's mobile and mature

[zealous wing]

bubble is based, you right

[wind spruce]

🤽‍♂️

[wind wind]

Must be nice to be able to play garbage builds while your flame psyker teammate carries the group.

[wind spruce]

Thats an sphere, bubble boi

[zealous wing]

bubble is not an oval

[wind spruce]

Fk

[zealous wing]

KEKW

[wind spruce]

Im tirws

Tired

BED

[zealous wing]

KEK

[wind spruce]

DEATH TO BUBBLE BOIS

[cloud folio]

i like the sound of that, gonna play now

[zealous wing]

trauma is very cozy

[patent hatch]

It's quite fun, I recommend it heavily

[zealous wing]

safest staff to run

[patent hatch]

Trauma staff with Crit build and blazing spirit is basically a diet Purge staff

can forfill a simialr role without being as oppresive

it still fucking slaps tho

also idoes the mortis bandana come from being a beta tester or am I making that up

[zealous wing]

DLC cosmetic upgrade for base classes

[patent hatch]

ah

Dump stat for combat blade btw?

Mobility or first target I assume

[zealous wing]

mobility

first target if pairing with hordeclear secondary

and you REALLY want the slight mobility boost

[wind spruce]

What

This makes zero sense

[long saddle]

if you use the knife as a speedstick

and not to actually hit stuff

[patent hatch]

Pairing the knife with assail soo

[wind spruce]

Yes but the logic of "i have a horde clear secondary so the first target damage on my melee doesnt matter as much" makes no sense

Its obviously illogical

[patent hatch]

I doesn't make sense

The logic which does make sense is

"If your gonna dumb stat first target for mobility YOU BETTER be taking a hoarde clease secondary"

Either way that will do nicely I think

[zealous wing]

if its with trauma, it only matters what youre doing for monstrosities and movement with knife

[wind spruce]

Does the math even work out dumping first target vs pene

[patent hatch]

not sure

Go test

[wind spruce]

Im not online

But pene only affects flak and cara

[patent hatch]

I have a perfect dumb stat penetration one

but im probs using it for armour damage anyway

[wind spruce]

So it has to lose out by a chunk

[dusk timber]

Dump mobility always

[wind spruce]

Especially since your mobility stick at minimum is used to kill mutants

[thorn cedar]

Dump pen, you'll be running uncanny anyway

[patent hatch]

I think that will have to do

[patent hatch]

ok sure but more armour damage

:3

[thorn cedar]

not really

[patent hatch]

ig if it doesn't hit any break points

[thorn cedar]

like strictly yes but we're talking maybe 1% difference

[wind spruce]

And possibly not even

Whats the first target range

SS hovering over the stat damnit

[zealous wing]

i thought it only applied if you "hit multiple enemies with an attack" tbh

first target i mean

[wind spruce]

It applies to the first target even if theres only one

[zealous wing]

because it says such

[dusk timber]

It affects every attack

You never dump first target

[zealous wing]

thanks fatshark you dumb bitch

[patent hatch]

Rotund fish my beloved

[zealous wing]

beloathed at this point

[wind spruce]

Cant always blame FS

[zealous wing]

they cant even spell regeneration correctly

[patent hatch]

lmao

(I love fat shark thank you for making my fav game but holy shit learn how to spell)

I have some fat shark socks somewhere

B)

[zealous wing]

psykinetics aura: regeneneration, missing the "when", even tho they had fixed that and removed the when again

whoever proofreads, if anyone, needs to be replaced

[cloud folio]

should not blow myself up

[dusk timber]

You should

[patent hatch]

Theres a cool pennance for it

you should

[cloud folio]

blowing myself up??

[kind jay]

fatshark hire me i was a spelling bee champ in 5th grade

[dusk timber]

Yes

[patent hatch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a18aa1a7-5362-4555-bade-f301be94eb91/asail-psyker

Happy with this :)

Do tell if you think im missing something obvius

I might try warp battery cap stone instead

not sure how good empowered psionics is

[dire wharf]

Six are you here

[long saddle]

mind in motion is not really good

[patent hatch]

I know

tis just comfy

I should defintely run something else

but I like it

[long saddle]

vulnerable minds and warp ghost are also good stuff to run

[patent hatch]

Yeah if I was to take off

Mind in motion

vulnerable minds is where id be going

[long saddle]

I'd also run charged up for assail and swap to empowering souls instead

will make assail a lot smoother against large elite/special hordes

you can also skip ethereal shards if you're at high peril since warp splitting affects assail as well

[patent hatch]

True..

Never thought of htat

[summer prairie]

They added "Effective against Flak & Carapace Armoured Enemies" to brainburst description but I can't see the change in-game yet. I wonder if they are actually buffing adms for those or if it's just a lie. I guess technically it's more effective vs cara than many other things

[long saddle]

was it in the patch notes?

[summer prairie]

Buff? No

[long saddle]

feel like they would've said if it was buffed

[patent hatch]

sounds like more of a "suggestion"

a suggestion I disagree with

[summer prairie]

I know they didn't buff it, just speculating if it might happen in the future

but yeah probably

but BB actually has higher maniac/unyielding adms, Cara and flak are 1 like everything else

[patent hatch]

COmpared to what tho

[long saddle]

ye I think it's more so compared to other blitzes