This implies you're using the special attack
#psyker-class
jovial juniper
radiant frigate
tawdry shadow
It's very good at killing things, but it's not good at killing a lot of things
radiant frigate
š£ļø š£ FORCE GREATSWORD PROPAGANDA
zealous wing
devils claw propaganda
tawdry shadow
Which on the force sword you shouldn't
Except Illisi
Tbh I mostly use the bfs on my brain pop build
jovial juniper
Gimme fuel gimme fire
Gimme Ragers or I'll retire
tawdry shadow
I feel like a lame player because my favorite build on psyker includes the flame staff
zealous wing
inferno is fun (to me)
jovial juniper
No idea why that would make you lame
tawdry shadow
No idea why that would make you lame
I've heard it's very op
pale prairie
devils claw propaganda
Kay now do it again with a pack of crushers and maulers
zealous wing
i have, tbh
tawdry shadow
Also would there be anyway to make an emperor palpatine build work? Like with smite and the lightning staff
zealous wing
idk if i have the clip edited yet, or if i saved it, very few rotten armour havocs
jovial juniper
Also would there be anyway to make an emperor palpatine build work? Like with sm...
Yeah
EP Shriek
fresh panther
inferno is fun (to me)
Fatshark will see this and buff it again 
tawdry shadow
Yeah
EP Shriek
Ep shriek?
zealous wing
and learn positioning and how things are affected. dont be trapping your teammates in bad positions
jovial juniper
Empowered Psyonics keystone
Venting Shriek Ability
tawdry shadow
Oh
jovial juniper
It gives your smite a good amount of damage
pale prairie
inferno is fun (to me)
This clip is so 600 levels ago
tawdry shadow
How do I give up the irrefutable urge to run nothing but scriers gazs
pale prairie
Shriek
zealous wing
This clip is so 600 levels ago
500
pale prairie
Fire
zealous wing
im just past 1200 on main psyker
jovial juniper
How do I give up the irrefutable urge to run nothing but scriers gazs
You can also run Scriers with Smite/Electric staff
It's just
A different play style of Smite
And EK likes Crits and Finesse
pale prairie
You can also run Scriers with Smite/Electric staff
Pffff you can run Scriers with inferno
jovial juniper
If you go EP smite Scriers you can prolong the EP bonus for another 10 seconds once you 100% in peril
You can run DD but then the staff becomes your focus
Or you can run Warp Syphon and spam infinite smite
Although not a very powerful smite
tawdry shadow
Would y'all classify blaze force great sword as an unga bunga sorta weapon?
radiant frigate
it's a distinguished unga bunga
tawdry shadow
it's a distinguished unga bunga
Your heavy attacks genuinely kill everything
kind jay
i need a mod to count many times i pressed lmb on ek in this match because this shit was crazy
ai director wanted my ass dead and i said nope not today
ripe obsidian
i need a mod to count many times i pressed lmb on ek in this match because this ...
PowerDI might do that? It does track actions/states, I think. I don't use it anymore because performance hit
cosmic cobalt
I have performance issue on scoreboard but not powerdi
kind jay
i too had some perfomance issues with powerdi
ill just pretend it was exactly 40k times
white cipher
does anyone a strong melee build for this class? like a good all around build for high difficulties?
radiant frigate
consult the pins
white cipher
i never saw the pins š
rich spindle
Carapace is immune to 90% of weapons in the game; 100 billion upvotes
Look at my community dawg
radiant frigate
yeah immune to 90% of weapons that SUCK VS CARAPACE
so maybe try to kill carapace with weapons that do carapace damage
verbal thistle
Carapace is immune to 90% of weapons in the game; 100 billion upvotes
fork found in kitchen
darktide reddit moment
rich spindle
Why do they think thisā¦
pale prairie
Think they know about rot armor?
radiant frigate
Why do they think thisā¦
because they run dclaw hsword and reconlas
rich spindle
Are they light attacking crushers and getting confused or something
slate ledge
helo gamers
radiant frigate
helo gato
slate ledge
hows the weather
slate ledge
ive gotten rot for my last 4 missions
pale prairie
What about blight
slate ledge
that also sucks but rot is worse
marble crater
What about necrofire floor?
pale prairie
What about necrofire floor?
Inferno and blight? How lewd
crisp ether
Carapace is immune to 90% of weapons in the game; 100 billion upvotes
It's bleak.
Darktide subreddit just makes me sad
slate ledge
rot makes like 90% of my builds i find fun useless
GO BACK TO BED OLD MAN STOP TYPING
rich spindle
MAN UP YOUNGBLOOD
crisp ether
That's not even a carapace issue though
slate ledge
they shouldve kept rot the way it was
crisp ether
That's a "WHY THE FUCK DO THESE ENEMIES HAVE THAT KIND OF DR AGAINST MELEE AND RANGED BUT NOT DOTS" issue
rich spindle
Itās so funny that they gave it melee damage resist but no dot damage resist
lol
Yeah you get it
mellow gorge
put rot armor in the normal modifier pool
rich spindle
Yes
crisp ether
It should have been Melee and Explosions that the DR ignores
crisp ether
This game has no business punishing melee like that
rich spindle
Put rot in expeditions and damnation
jovial juniper
This game has no business punishing melee like that
You want to melee in your melee game?
Getcho ass outta here
š
crisp ether
It maddens me how there are
TWO modifiers
That directly punish you for playing the game as it's actually intended.
pale prairie
Wait whatās the second
pale prairie
Right yes I hate that
crisp ether
Honestly hate Blight even more than Rotten
pale prairie
Agreed
hallow vector
Carapace is immune to 90% of weapons in the game; 100 billion upvotes
tbf its true
but
also not an issue until rotten armor
rotten armor carapace IS an issue
because it just makes stuff do LITERAL 0 damage
zealous wing
it is funny you can oneshot an h40 plogryn but not an h40 rotten crusher on zealot 
rich spindle
tbf its true
HOOOWWW
peak sundial
radiant frigate
You want to melee in your melee game?
Getcho ass outta here
this is why havoc design is so incomprehensible to me
"lower ammo drops"
ok cool so you want us to melee more
"x3431 hit mass"
ok cool so you do not want us to melee more
wind wind
Theoretical, If hivescum could give his stim to a (psyker) teammate, what kind of stim would you get loved to get hit with and why?
marble crater
We have a node for that
zealous wing
no, pots does not exist
zealous wing
and a waste of a talent point when a scum can give to us for free
marble crater
jovial juniper
Make my blood blue
radiant frigate
no, pots does not exist
what about pans
wind wind
I would love to get hit with the custom stim where the rending is maxxed out
At half viscosity
Would me amazing on melee psyker
zealous wing
what about pans
they exist, dont worry
crisp ether
tbf its true
Yes the stuff that can combat carapace is limited
But its not 90% like that person is saying lol
Even devil's claw can put in work with parries as long as you're timing them right.
And that's known for being innately one of the worst weapons for armor in general
Subreddit just can't fathom putting in effort to kill big things so they need a dueling sword to just invalidate it entirely
crisp ether
It's not when I'm saying it is legit not a good weapon for armor by anything but the parry.
What I'm saying is that it's not completely useless either.
radiant frigate
i'm sure it could be funny on vet too
crisp ether
Nor is "90% of the roster"
radiant frigate
with mmf and rending strikes
25% rending achieved
now even the humble lasgun can start doing carapace damage
crisp ether
Ya
radiant frigate
it's a bit unwieldy to build and there are better answers to crushers
but it is possible
which is funny
crisp ether
That's what I'm saying. Even the stuff that seems "useless" to most of the populace against that particular thing, really isn't. It's just that it takes particular effort to make those things hold up against it.
rich spindle
THE MAJORITY OF WEAPONS HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CARAPCR DAMAGE
crisp ether
Now whether it's worth putting in that effort, is up to the individual player.
rich spindle
brazen compass
Subreddit just can't fathom putting in effort to kill big things so they need a ...
I always say this
Effort is the number one enemy of Darktide players
radiant frigate
THE MAJORITY OF WEAPONS HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CARAPCR DAMAGE
but what about my autoguns
what about my burgatus
crisp ether
I always say this
Effort is the number one enemy of Darktide players
Pretty much 
rich spindle
brazen compass
Pretty much <:kekw:1291798422726246410>
Meanwhile me forcing my way through the game with the DClaw: 
radiant frigate
boltgun and plasma don't oneshot crushers pls fix!!!
brazen compass
I actually used to use it in Havoc 1.0 on Vet, it was the 21st that made me drop it since, well, yeah
brazen compass
It works but I'm getting too greedy with the parries and it's fucking me up lol
brazen compass
Has my propaganda set in? <:pepehmm:1066071694067912715>
idk, might genuinely be a skill issue on my part
radiant frigate
I always say this
Effort is the number one enemy of Darktide players
why be good at game when you can just be good at buildcraft (or yoink builds from someone who is)
fight smarter not harder 
kind jay
why do that when i can just ask for the meta build, get folded, and then complain the build is bad and not my fault at all?
brazen compass
why do that when i can just ask for the meta build, get folded, and then complai...
No no no, see, you're forgetting something
You're using meta so it's automatically good
It's not your fault you folded, the team isn't playing right
brazen compass
They definitely gotta fix that by next patch
kind jay
patch notes: unplugged the ai director's controller
crisp ether
idk, might genuinely be a skill issue on my part
Really just, don't be too hasty with parrying, especially in dense hordes
brazen compass
Really just, don't be too hasty with parrying, especially in dense hordes
Oh it's not a problem there, it's when I'm trying to chain parry armor balls and instead of moving like I should I'm like "I can solo them" and I crumple like paper
rich spindle
I only really try to parry ragers and bosses
Other stuff itās usually easier to just whack em
Most of the time you stand there with guard up looking stupid
safe jewel
What fov do you guys play on? Went from a bit below halfway and now im maxed and feel much better but melee feels weirder slightly? Like harder to hit weakspots but i feel much faster/better
dire wharf
Wtf is with people not getting on elevators. Just standing next to them trying to kill every last thing?
marble crater
Lacking experience or being too cautious, take your pick
dire wharf
These 2 goons stood outside thr mission exit elevator for 5 minutes, just blasting
Then seemed confused that me and the other didn't just leave in the elevator without them
marble crater
In that case maybe trying to do a penance and being a nuisance while doing that
hallow vector
What fov do you guys play on? Went from a bit below halfway and now im maxed and...
as high as i can without destroying my fps
i think mine is like 90?
dark pagoda
it make me sad when all the other voice types are mean to me :(
spice oar
it make me sad when all the other voice types are mean to me :(
they get nicer (sometimes)
dark pagoda
im playing the loner who calls everyone simpletons so no one is nice to me
zealous wing
im playing the loner who calls everyone simpletons so no one is nice to me
always can rely on the ogryns
dark pagoda
i play female psyker
zealous wing
ah, i didnt enjoy female loner enough to get voicelines hoarded
mostly the same lines though
dark pagoda
i cant tell if female loner is israeli or some dialect of indian
zealous wing
romanian iirc
dark pagoda
the "i will not lose control, i will not" is very indian
dark pagoda
romanian iirc
rlly?
zealous wing
@radiant frigate would know
dark pagoda
im literally romanian and i don't recognize it
well, im related to romanians, it's not the majority share
zealous wing
idk, again, i found it irritating to listen to, personality scourged that psyker before i got her to level 15
dark pagoda
really? i like it a lot
zealous wing
same with male savant
dark pagoda
she has some rlly funny lines
zealous wing
to each their own, not for me
hallow vector
no the african is the lex psyker
zealous wing
the clip above is male loner
hallow vector
male loner is old guy
dark pagoda
i cant even remember what beloved female psyker sounds like
hallow vector
is there even one
dark pagoda
holy fuck that goes hard?
ive never heard that before
did they add a 4th
or is that just the mask distortion
zealous wing
mask
i have a male loner, male seer, and a female savant. current throwaway psyker is fem seer
dark pagoda
i think the french female psyker is so overused
zealous wing
fem savant
lethal vigil
Playing low havocs just having a good time and some havoc 40 is screaming at me for running melee Psyker on a 18
dark pagoda
melee psyker is fucked
zealous wing
he was carried hard
dark pagoda
what are they crying about
i did 700k damage in havoc 27 earlier
didn't go down once
and im bad at the game
lethal vigil
He died to a reaper and got mad at not having bubble
zealous wing
ah yeah
dark pagoda
really?
zealous wing
self only :D
hallow vector
i got a female loner as my main psyker
dark pagoda
female loner is the french one right
keen trail
sienna is best
zealous wing
no
dark pagoda
wait what am i saying im playing female loner
brazen compass
holy fuck that goes hard?
Scream, SCREAM! It sounds nice!
hallow vector
i thought it was loner
dark pagoda
im pretty sure they're israeli
zealous wing
give me a moment here
hallow vector
ya but im saying im using loner
brazen compass
Loner is the snarky one, Seer is the crazy one, Savant is the none of those one, ez pz
hallow vector
its got witch vibes
zealous wing
ill record a clip
dark pagoda
we were talking about the voices before you came in so im not sure why that matters
zealous wing
nah seer is more witchlike
dark pagoda
they were showing me the voices
hallow vector
i dont see seer as being witchlike
maybe like different region
loner is more western witch
or EU
zealous wing
ah ok
but yeah no, fem seer i've heard often being described as a slavic witch
never once heard loner be described as a witch
brazen compass
Seer as a slavic witch? 
brazen compass
Just an accent she puts on, and she does a good job
zealous wing
got some fem seer voicelines
dire wharf
I had an arbites apologize to my loner psyker, over the way some of his colleagues treated me. I immediately reported him to the Lex
hallow vector
never once heard loner be described as a witch
gives me western media witch vibes
like fuckin uhhhh
hanzel and gretel witch
well
technically not a western story
but the western versions
like halloween witch
zealous wing
femaler loner is old lady
i just dunno where you get "old lady" from for fem loner
dark pagoda
i find it cute
hallow vector
i just dunno where you get "old lady" from for fem loner
idk maybe uve never seen old ladies
dark pagoda
loner definitely sounds young
zealous wing
agreed
dark pagoda
i like savant too but i feel like every fem psyker uses it
zealous wing
fem loner and male savant are the only ones i actively dislike, but yeah fem savant is really overused
dark pagoda
is there a reason u dislike it or just high pitched
zealous wing
i keep flipping between psyker 3 being fem savant and fem seer
idk really
it just is grating to me, which is funny, because my main psyker is male loner
though i very much do prefer to have some sort of muffling on him
dark pagoda
the german psyker voice made me stop playing psyker for like 6 months
bc fem looks so awful in this game
zealous wing
couldnt be me
dark pagoda
but then i got the bandana and i could hide the awful face structure
zealous wing
male seer grew on me a lot as well, that psyker is nearing lvl 200, psyker 3 though, just hit lvl 60, fem seer might be the key to playing it more
rather than savant
zealous wing
nah
doesnt help that every smyker i really remember has been male savant
fem loner and male savant also just feel very flat
like, lore wise
rich spindle
My beloved psyker is top 3 voice actors
zealous wing
everyone else has tidbits of their backstory pretty often, those two gave me nothing to work off of
fem loner doesnt even get the full quote for "i'm sensing rage, fear, and foreshortened lifespans"
"no, not four shortened lifespans, i said foreshortened lifespans. why are you not paying attention? look at me, not them!"
zealous wing
she doesnt get that joke payoff, and it is sad
meanwhile, loner picking on agitator 
dont hear a lot of agitators anymore though
only when i play my zealot, and then i also dont hear a lot of male loners either
i think this line rotated out long ago
dark pagoda
there was a really funny line that had my entire squad laugh at on fem loner but i genuinely cannot remember what it was
kind jay
"no, not four shortened lifespans, i said foreshortened lifespans. why are you n...
i always assumed this one was a joke take from the va and they decided to keep it cause its so good
i remember they did the video on some of the va's but that line sadly wasnt there. feels like a blooper id love to see
dark pagoda
the german psyker is just trying too hard imo
he sounds like he's cosntantly in pain
which he might be but its nto satisfying to me
foggy niche
he sounds like he's cosntantly in pain
I like the male voice thatās always taking abt the emperor as his beloved
stray shoal
whats the best way to get malleus monstronum these days
cosmic cobalt
empowered psionic
kinetic resonance
shriek for kinetic resonance
I might be actually stupid
cruel fortune actually give 3 stack total since it is additional
I thought it gave 2 for long ass tome
stray shoal
interesting, not scriers to spam more?
ripe obsidian
Double shield for kinetic resonance doubled :D
stray shoal
heh okay
wind spruce
I might be actually stupid
Or is FS stupid for not standardising their "now gives/grants additional" descriptions
ripe obsidian
I told u you were goated
I found big chungus in the wild and we had a couple silly games
radiant frigate
<@272731082594713614> would know
technically not wrong but i would never have placed the accent as romanian
it just sounds vaguely slavic to my ears
which is not a criticism, i love the performance
ripe obsidian
Every second spent in Chungusā presence is to be cherished
I appreciate how aggressively he plays
It gives me a lot of space to make FIRE
ew
indigo plank
ripe obsidian
this is vile
I had one the other day that was rot + corrupted stimms + lights out + dogs, I think
was rot + something
atomic echo
there was a really funny line that had my entire squad laugh at on fem loner but...
i also run fem loner !! this interaction my psyker had the other day made my friends and i laugh so hard on call-
ironically tho the scum who it was with was the only person not in our group/call lol
barren arrow
i gotta install this, i bet my graph looks somethin goofy like that lol
barren arrow
dis is the scoreboard
this the game i just finished
40, rot + blight
double book & a chargegryn
there was no famine, only feast
ripe obsidian
I poked something for 20k damage. Hehehehe
barren arrow
yummy greatsword poke
ripe obsidian
It's so fun
barren arrow
what do you play?
ripe obsidian
I also got to see a c spawn leap to its own death. That was funny.
barren arrow
i typically play staff + deimos + shout + dd
ripe obsidian
It tried to jump over terrain and just died
barren arrow
Oh incredible lol
ripe obsidian
I was playing with a streamer. Will see if it's clipped.
ripe obsidian
i typically play staff + deimos + shout + dd
I have a few builds I use regularly
barren arrow
what servers doth thee appear on?
ripe obsidian
NAE. Currently I am going to bed, because it is far too late/early
barren arrow
if i'm playing with a pretty bad setup w/o book/shout/pplwiththumbswhocanshootrangedgoobers i tend to swap the shout out for bubble, but still on dd
barren arrow
I can't find warp siphon I really get a ton of value out of bc I tend to have to save my ability, which means I actually end up using it less than I would otherwise :)
ripe obsidian
here is the clip
barren arrow
that's wild
ripe obsidian
I can't find warp siphon I really get a ton of value out of bc I tend to have to...
hold on, I have DATA about this
barren arrow
I am also east coast, I'm up though because I already slept
wind wind
https://www.twitch.tv/rawkplaysgames/clip/RelievedHappyBarracudaSMOrc-I5jaLY4fYl...
Tf did i just watch?
ripe obsidian
@barren arrow
No need to save ability
Just shriek away
I shriek, like, as soon as it's up most of the time
I usually average 3.5+ shrieks per combat minute
barren arrow
Yea but famine when no stacks of warp siphon :(
ripe obsidian
If you have FIRE, that is rarely the case
especially since they made it work better last patch
when they fixed souldrinker
barren arrow
When fighting a boss, it's easy to not have a feast available as a tasty treat
ripe obsidian
Fair. But you'll see I use Shriek like 100+ times in a regular mission and average 4.5 stacks
barren arrow
DD lets me kill everything in the room & murder everything with armor/bosses, the only thing it's really lacking in is boss stagger
cosmic cobalt
for staff warp siphon is better in every way
barren arrow
And since DD refreshes whenever your target takes any damage from you, or a boss takes any damage from you, and the entire room is on fire, I stay pretty consistently at max stacks
cosmic cobalt
unless you're using surge m1 spam
ripe obsidian
unless you're using surge m1 spam
for staff builds using shriek
you beat me to it
cosmic cobalt
it's just stack way faster + give cdr
cosmic cobalt
while dd give about same damage but have finesse bonus too
cosmic cobalt
and staff can't really make use of finesse
ripe obsidian
I barely use melee unless poking specials/crushers who got too close.
barren arrow
The finesse I absolutely get value out of
ripe obsidian
I think this game was a bit under 40 minutes
I usually hit 2m damage between 25 and 30 minutes. Sometimes earlier.
barren arrow
I use melee to make heavies die faster w/ the way uncanny strike gives your soulblaze target rending & the damage buff from superiority
It's very silly watching a room of armored enemies explode
ripe obsidian
uncanny only affects crushers in any meaningful way
barren arrow
rotten armor sir
ripe obsidian
every other ADM is 100+
barren arrow
They must go
ripe obsidian
oh, yeah, in rot it's silly
barren arrow
this I put earlier was a rot + blight game
the elite kills & boss damage make me happy
It's soo much faster with DD + melee blessings
& those melee blessings I won't get up as often without DD
& malefic momentum
It also gives me the kind of survivability to just get shot and not really worry about it
& I can shout off cooldown under any circumstances without losing any damage
24s is not that long
ripe obsidian
I have so much toughness regen from Quietude + Souldrinker + Mettle + Soulstealer that it's hardly an issue
I only really die if I get caught out by gunners or get overheaded
barren arrow
this statement is true
Soulstealer I don't think is really worth the node if you're taking it for toughness regen
but yea that ogryn was playing gunlugger earlier and it was WORKING in a 40 and I was just shook
man was let out of his cage
ripe obsidian
Gunlugger got some nice little buffs
barren arrow
yuh
ripe obsidian
As for builds, if it works for you, no issues on my side. I don't like using melee much when using staves, but Psyker has goofy strong weapons
barren arrow
perilous combustion go brr
ripe obsidian
as a quick aside, perilous combustion is a big part of why people think Inferno is so broken
Inferno isn't, really
what's broken is the combo of KF + PC + Shriek + Inferno
Shriek for 6 stacks, RMB for 1 second for 3-6 more stacks, one KF proc for 3 more stacks, and suddenly everything is at 12+ stacks in under a second
ripe obsidian
Penetrating Flame. >:(
barren arrow
Considering switching around a couple nodes to get to perfect timing
heeheeheeha
This is my rotten armor cope build
That can be easily switched around for nexus ofc
well really it's not just for rotten armor it performs everywhere tbh
Just a dream is actually super ridiculous in the way that if you're at 100% peril & take damage, you get reduced down to 97% peril
barren arrow
also the fact that it causes peril generation is quite useful on purgatus staff
...
Do I need to use the special ability on deimos more?
I never activate it
Ever.
cosmic cobalt
it's awful
barren arrow
thought so
cosmic cobalt
more useful on obs since it can 1shot mutant on light
other wise just for getting peril up
barren arrow
well that is a good tech I could do more of tbh
cosmic cobalt
also like all "chain" weapon it doesn't matter if they run past you since damage tick doesn't care about distance
unless you're staggered or cancel it manually
barren arrow
But I feel like the only thing I can really do is take off just a dream + lightning speed to get mettle + perfect timing
Or could take off vulnerable minds if I wanted to leave one of those on, since it would only be a net loss of 5% dmg buff vs bosses & ogryns no?
ripe obsidian
this is a weird build and I do not like it. >>>:( But if it works well for you, I endorse your madness
cosmic cobalt
bro did not cook
barren arrow
sir
i may have burned the kitchen to the ground but the dish came out incredible
malefic momentum also lasting for 10s is a huge change that makes this so much easier
But I feel like I mostly use my melee for heavy attacks and so I don't get much value out of lightning speed mmm
more sped more damage does sound nice
ripe obsidian
lightning speed used to give ranged attack speed as well
made surge surge feel sillier
barren arrow
lul
I KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF
I was wondering why surge staff felt slower than I remembered
it is however most assuredly, a VERY silly build
I am a big fan of it
gonna try w/o lightning & just a dream, & having mettle + timing instead
ripe obsidian
I KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF
yeah, they fixed it, sadly
barren arrow
I think I get enough value out of malefic momentum that it's more valuable than souldrinker though, 5% crit chance isn't as impactful, and 2.5% toughness regen/s on something that's going to only trigger when soulstealer does is laughable on a build with disrupt destiny
wind spruce
I think I get enough value out of malefic momentum that it's more valuable than ...
Souldrinker doesnt only proc when soulstealer does
barren arrow
"Killing an enemy with soulblaze"
wind spruce
And its 3% p/s
barren arrow
Soulblaze = warp attack kill
wind spruce
"Killing an enemy with soulblaze"
Its with soulblaze applied not soulblaze killing blow
barren arrow
15/5=3 though you are correct
barren arrow
Its with soulblaze applied not soulblaze killing blow
No
you made me test this in psykhanium just now my level of trust for descriptions is so low š
also the fact that penetrating flame only goes up to 20% brittleness makes me violently sad
barren arrow
Ahhh I see the distinction you were making now
It seemed like you were saying applying soublaze immediately causes it to appear, but you meant that if an enemy dies from an attack other than warp while soulblazed it procs, unlike soulstealer I understand now
But soulstealer is just so much already & this is a disrupt destiny build with warp ghost that already has so much toughness regen/s
But I mean
Could I eat?
ripe obsidian
Enemies can die from any source, so long as they have soulblaze on them. It's quite good
Souldrinker has like 90% uptime for me.
barren arrow
Well I don't find the distinction to still be very impactful, usually when an enemy has soulblaze from me they die to soulblaze.
mmmm
Might have to find a way to work it in later, Idk what I'd take off for it though
Warp ghost I think is going to still be more impactful for my toughness regen & maintaining high peril
And the 5% crit chance would be nice, and 3% toughness regen would also be nice
wind spruce
I guarantee MM has shit uptime for the warp component
barren arrow
But it makes my melee that goes brr go brr even harder
And that is ALWAYS available on this build lmaoo
wind spruce
But if you really want it to boost your non-warp damage you do you
barren arrow
My thing is to typically get high stacks of soulblaze, shriek, slap thing with sword, and watch everything in the room fall over
ripe obsidian
Dis is my standard fire stick build. Been experimenting with the crit aura, and there's really not much of a benefit so far. Average of 31% uptime on EE to 34%, but overall my damage output is quite similar.
wind spruce
Dis is my standard fire stick build. Been experimenting with the crit aura, and ...
Sample size on that EE difference?
ripe obsidian
Not large yet.
5 games of each aura averaged
I have a spreadsheet
Oh, and average ~1 second lower CD on shriek with CDR aura
11.55 seconds vs 12.6, I think
barren arrow
I typically use my shriek for CC & getting stacks higher than 16, rather than for having it do the same job as my staff
ripe obsidian
I don't like JaD on staves
I use JaD on melee, not on staves
It fucks with my peril too much
barren arrow
Have to be a bit more careful with just a dream to not go surprise boom lul, but can be very worth it
long saddle
yeah staff builds want consistent peril to edge
ripe obsidian
I typically use my shriek for CC & getting stacks higher than 16, rather than fo...
I use Shriek always. Use it to start fights, to stagger, to overstack, to handle trash mobs while I do something else, etc
I use it basically as soon as it's up, usually
long saddle
same
barren arrow
But I can see that extra stagger being useful
ripe obsidian
Have to be a bit more careful with just a dream to not go surprise boom lul, but...
I took JaD off my staff builds after a pox gas map killed me because the tick of gas kept me from casting
barren arrow
But I prefer more boss & armor damage because nothing else typically is an issue
JaD can actually be what lets you cast a left click :)
also getting some toughness back for taking damage is incredibly silly
ripe obsidian
JaD kept me from casting the RMB I needed
As soon as I quelled, pox gas damage took me back to 97%
barren arrow
tbf, you could immediately cast atp
cosmic cobalt
you just have to be below crit peril to cast
barren arrow
I've done that sometimes
cosmic cobalt
it's not really an issue unless you're way out of position imo
ripe obsidian
It was trauma. Trying to RMB would have killed me
barren arrow
I mean if you quelled and were already charging the RMB
But gas might be too fast for that on trauma
ripe obsidian
I usually don't need the survivability JaD offers on staff builds. Usually when I die, it's something that would kill me no matter what
barren arrow
This statement is true.
ripe obsidian
Overheads, disablers, gunners around a corner
ripe obsidian
But gas might be too fast for that on trauma
It was, if I remember correctly. But it was months ago
barren arrow
sometimes i forget i'm mortal and walk into 7 billion gunners
the problem is that i don't always lose that fight
if suppression = win
if not suppression = :(
ripe obsidian
Empathic Evasion betrays me at the worst times
ripe obsidian
Shriek to stagger them, then slide forward with LMB or charging RMB
ripe obsidian
it's pretty trap ngl
Hard disagree, but you do you
barren arrow
I tend to find that when ee is up, I typically am suppressing the gunners anyways
I tend to slide forward with rmb, lmb is stagger whereas rmb is suppression
ripe obsidian
I average like 31-34% combat uptime on EE. Being immune to ranged damage for a third of the game is nice.
barren arrow
And suppression is far more reliable than stagger, especially on reapers
Instead of taking 30% less ranged damage, you could take 25% less all damage :)
ripe obsidian
I tend to slide forward with rmb, lmb is stagger whereas rmb is suppression
Depends on the situation. I usually use LMB to stagger elites to give me space to RMB, if I don't have space already. Or if shotgunners are bullying my team or whatever
I'm like 90%+ RMB, the rest LMB
barren arrow
Idk if I even lmb 10% of the time
I do NOOOOT trust it to stagger lol
you ever try to lmb a poxburster and it just.. Keeps walking forward?
ripe obsidian
Hence 90%+. LMB is as-needed
barren arrow
not that you should rmb a poxburster I mean I just use pushblock atp
ripe obsidian
you ever try to lmb a poxburster and it just.. Keeps walking forward?
Yes
barren arrow
Only time I really tend to use lmb is if there's no other option to get the stagger, such as in the middle of a horde
Infinite cleave ranged stagger is what I tend to use it as
But I do not trust it
Never trust it
ripe obsidian
I often see LMB spam Inferno users in Havoc
They make me sad
And they do no damage
barren arrow
lol
whenever i see a psyker not deal damage i cry
every psyker build can do damage
even bubble can stack bodies
cosmic cobalt
bubble have nothing to do with stacking bodies because it doesn't decrease how fucking good psyker baseline is
you can outdamage a lot of build even with bubble knight
wind spruce
bubble have nothing to do with stacking bodies because it doesn't decrease how f...
GGGG CCCC DDDD DDDD
Classic bass line
summer prairie
@ripe obsidian how about a mod that shows your actual crit rate in some manner. I'm not sure what would be the best way to go about it, but I would e.g. like to know whether +5% crit is worth it on surge surge over damage aura
just for psykhanium testing even
summer horizon
can someone help me get malleus monstonum?
rigid sky
Inferno LMB is great for repositioning yourself
it's entirely a positional tool
if position is good, RMB all the way
barren arrow
nah i am not good enough to play without JaD lul
wym i have to worry about chip damage?
vulnerable minds must be lost I suppose
or not idk
I really like the melee speed boost on deimos
spam left click is silly
ripe obsidian
<@230796342165897226> how about a mod that shows your actual crit rate in some m...
I can try
wind spruce
<@230796342165897226> how about a mod that shows your actual crit rate in some m...
Doesnt scoreboard do that?
icy breach
bubble have nothing to do with stacking bodies because it doesn't decrease how f...
Other abilities beg to differ
radiant mesa
@pseudo geyser thou asked, this is my unholy creation
dusk timber
GIVE 'EM THAT
GOOD CRUNCH
barren arrow
this man replenishes toughness through coherency when no enemies are nearby
What gun are you using?
or staff ig
no, that's gun
what gun
zealous wing
can someone help me get malleus monstonum?
do you still need?
summer horizon
yes pls
zealous wing
k ill be online in like, 10 minutes or so
summer horizon
nice thx
summer horizon
alright im in strike team 2 channel
white cipher
i talk
dire wharf
I tried my first solo match, heresy cause I'm still a noob, but I did much better than I thought I would
Mission was relay station TRS 150
I made it to the top of the spiral, just before the final room, and got a error 2014 disconnect 
dark pagoda
Yeah the game crashes a lot for me
I got a crash when extracting in havoc and I was sad :<
dire wharf
I get so many 2014s, I wish I knew why
I'm having flashbacks to cyberpunk 2077's launch
pale prairie
I got a crash when extracting in havoc and I was sad :<
Hidden Difficulty modifier
wraith sphinx
I curiously have experienced the most crashes while playing havocs, which is part of the reason why I stay away from them now
pale prairie
Probably all the extra particle effects from rot gas blight fire and density lmao
Woof
dire wharf
I dunno, I've gotten a ton of 2014s just while standing in the mourningstar
I hit a group of enemies so hard with my BFG beam attack they straight up vanished into thin air
pale prairie
Hah counted as kills still nice
quartz barn
Ye this happens whenever there are too many entities
Side effect of fatshark upping the spawns a long time ago
atomic echo
Side effect of fatshark upping the spawns a long time ago
kinda unrelatated but this is the thing that frustrates me about the vermintide 2 crossplay debate. i remember reading something on reddit probably that consoles can't keep up with the horde densities of later difficulties on vermintide. didnt rlly make sense bc cloud-playing console users keep up just fine on darktide, which has arguably more densely populated hordes than the former since before i started playing darktide lol
ripe obsidian
I get so many 2014s, I wish I knew why
Game wants to remind you of a simpler time, 12 years ago
stray shoal
One of the best parts of playing force greatsword has to be how crunchy it looks and sounds
Like landing a kinetic flayer headshot poking strong attack and crunching a crusher skull
Or hitting a disrupt destiny marked enemy and getting that sizzling sound when you up your stacks
Hits where you feel the oomf
pale prairie
Itās the warpslice for me. And also double head poking
dire wharf
One of the best parts of playing force greatsword has to be how crunchy it looks...
BFG supremacy
zealous wing
FGS is glorious, yeah
dire wharf
Only other weapon I find as satisfying to use is the relic blade
zealous wing
i cannot find any love for the relic blade. i keep trying though
zinc phoenix
i like relic blade too
frail oar
I think being able to attack right out of a weapon swap makes me prefer FGS to relic
zinc phoenix
but it does seem like almost nobody does
the "turn it on or it sucks" mechanic feels bad in a game where you are constantly fighting
frail oar
Relic is fun tho love the sprint stab tech
atomic echo
i love relic blade but i fell back in love last night with the crusher
crusher my beloved
zinc phoenix
i wish the relic blade was a mode swap like crowbar and not an on/off
just make the on swing/move slower or smth
dusk timber
the unpowered mode isnt unusable bad at least
i just wish it and falchion could do something to actively lower the heat gauge
frail oar
crusher my beloved
Crusher has my favorite moveset in the game
atomic echo
Crusher has my favorite moveset in the game
GOD same it's so satisfying
the push combo move is PEAK
frail oar
Its just so easy to flow in and out of the heavy/light horde/single target combos and the animations
atomic echo
Its just so easy to flow in and out of the heavy/light horde/single target combo...
literally and you can use the momentum with your dodges to just dance through a crowd
ripe obsidian
Give Psyker a Force Crusher and Force Hammer.
Those blunts stole our Dueling Sword, give us their bonk sticks
thorn cedar
THammer + KF lol
atomic echo
The **SOUND** of crusher hitting something when charged
'DFSCHFSHD'
pale prairie
Give Psyker a Force Crusher and Force Hammer.
Hmmm force crusher would actually be pretty fun. Charged strike should work with it
ripe obsidian
Tbh I would love for a reason to pick charged strikes on Psyker. It would be funny.
Rework smite!
Not that it'll ever happen because Smite is so popular with more casual players
frail oar
I want a lightning grenade with 2 charges and a 60ish second cd
ripe obsidian
I would endorse that
My idea is keeping LMB the same as it is now, and RMB is an AoE on a cooldown
Could even make it interesting by having it spread on enemy kills. Like, use RMB to shock enemies in a small AoE, then if you kill them in time, the shock spreads like Wildfire or Perilous Combustion, up to a cap
frail oar
I was thinking to make it neat it could provide a finesse debuff to enemies hit and stun them for like 1 second
I like that too!
ripe obsidian
It would be a neat small node to trade the stun for a significant debuff
Like, RMB no longer stuns enemies, but debuffs their movement speed and causes them to take X% more damage from all sources. Similar to Nuncio, I suppose.
frail oar
Yah i was thinking mutually exclusive utility and damage nodes
ripe obsidian
But I think Smite is just way too popular with the casual playerbase for Fatshark to change. It's one of very few options in this game that allows you to have a meaningful impact without being particularly skilled at the game. I don't mean that as an insult, just that the game is very hard and Smite is like picking a lower difficulty in a way
Like, I have a friend who has probably 100+ hours and he still struggles on anything past Malice. Struggles on Malice sometimes, too.
Smite is big and flashy and stuns enemies, which feels good for people who struggle with the melee combat
It's the same reason people got upset over the Pickpocket nerf, because being on guns 100% of the time is a lot easier
frail oar
Maybe they keep it and a subnode turns it into something usable
pale prairie
A sub node that makes it a passive on weapon attacks could be funā¦.
frail oar
One that doesnt suck anyway
cursive shell
does it matter where you hit the enemy with the inferno staff? someone I was playing with requested I aim at the horde's feet so as to not blind everyone, which I never even considered because I have ally flames turned off and have thus never been blinded
is that the common etiquette?
frail oar
When it was bugged it was great
frail oar
is that the common etiquette?
Nah. Tell them to stop crying. Or get a mod for it.
dark pagoda
do i need combat ability cooldown on my curios with scriers gaze?
i feel like it has nigh infinite uptime already
cursive shell
If it makes someone's life easier I don't mind doing it, just want to make sure I'm not sacrificing damage to do so
ripe obsidian
does it matter where you hit the enemy with the inferno staff? someone I was pla...
It does not matter mechanically, no. In some cases (bulwarks) hitting the feet is better.
It is not common etiquette to aim at the feet
You will likely lose some damage due to the angle if you aim downward
As in, hitting the floor rather than the whole horde
pale prairie
do i need combat ability cooldown on my curios with scriers gaze?
I like it but I am probably gonna need to swap it out for health so bursters canāt instamerc me
pale prairie
Yeah the uptime is very good
ripe obsidian
do i need combat ability cooldown on my curios with scriers gaze?
You don't. I don't use CDR curios on SG, usually, because Psykineticās Aura is so goofy
pale prairie
You don't. I don't use CDR curios on SG, usually, because Psykineticās Aura is s...
Hivescum with cooldown aura when?
dark pagoda
i have two that are cooldown/revive/gunner and one that's cooldown/revive/toughness
pale prairie
i have two that are cooldown/revive/gunner and one that's cooldown/revive/toughn...
I personally like 3 gunners cause it makes such a huge difference in toughness against shooters
cursive shell
As in, hitting the floor rather than the whole horde
that makes sense, ty. I'll stick center mass to maximize damage unless someone requests that I target feet
dark pagoda
i used to rock 3 gunner but then if you do the math the third gunner is only a 9% DR
pale prairie
Letās you get off some greedy revives without bubble
dark pagoda
it's still good but i think 5% toughness is better
ripe obsidian
that makes sense, ty. I'll stick center mass to maximize damage unless someone r...
There is a mod called... I Wanna See, I think, that clears up that sort of messy visual
ripe obsidian
i used to rock 3 gunner but then if you do the math the third gunner is only a 9...
Not how the math works
dark pagoda
how does the math work
dark pagoda
how?
ripe obsidian
I have this in the guide. Lemme copy paste
ripe obsidian
Note: despite what you might have heard or read, 3x Gunner Resist does not have diminishing returns.
1x 20% resist = 125% effective HP versus gunners
2x 20% resist (36% resist) = 156.25% effective HP versus gunners
3x 20% resist (48.8% resist) = 195.3125% effective HP versus gunners
Here is the math
dark pagoda
im gonna need a source cause it defies logic
ripe obsidian
I read the code for fun is my source.
dark pagoda
DR has to be diminishing or arbiter could reach 100% no?
dark pagoda
I read the code for fun is my source.
u can rlly just open darktides code?
dark pagoda
unless fatshark were feeling nice that seems illegal
live service games do not like sharing code
errant pawn
Anyone here able to give me a yes or no on if they tuned psyker weapons or skills since they introduced the crack addictsā Iām assuming yes, just wondering how many blog posts I have to read before I get back in and start buildcrafting againā¦
dark pagoda
for a plethora of reasons
ripe obsidian
Let's say a gunner does, like, 10 damage. It takes 10 shots to kill you if you have 100 HP.
Now you reduce the damage by 20%. It does 8 damage per shot. That's 13 shots to kill you.
Reduce it again to 64% (2 curios). 6.4 damage per shot means 16 shots to kill you.
Reduce again to 48.8% damage (3 curios). 4.88 damage per shot is 21 shots to kill you.
ripe obsidian
Anyone here able to give me a yes or no on if they tuned psyker weapons or skill...
No meaningful changes
pale prairie
Anyone here able to give me a yes or no on if they tuned psyker weapons or skill...
Not a lot of changes. Psykinetics got tuned back a tiny bit. Bubble cooldown lengthened. Walls changed to be better but inconsistently block snipers and nets. Momentum increased from 8s to 10s
ripe obsidian
I also have a brief patch analysis in the pinned build guide.
errant pawn
THANKS I appreciate it massively š©µ
ripe obsidian
unless fatshark were feeling nice that seems illegal
Fatshark is well aware. The person who posted it is a playtester, I believe, and it allows people to make mods
ripe obsidian
Ainz!
This happened in my game last night https://www.twitch.tv/rawkplaysgames/clip/RelievedHappyBarracudaSMOrc-I5jaLY4fYlUTrQl5
verbal thistle
Six
Lol yeah
That happens with Cspawn alot
It's like VT boss ledges
Push them somewhere where thei hitbox isn't allowed to be and they die
ripe obsidian
It was very funny
verbal thistle
Since Cspawn jump it's easy to catch a railing
dark pagoda
Note: despite what you might have heard or read, 3x Gunner Resist does not have ...
that's diminishing returns though? 36 is lower than 40
i feel insane
verbal thistle
I remember path talking about this in depth
Fully breaking it down
Not a math guy so this is out of my field
dark pagoda
maybe you mean doesn't have strong diminishing returns? you lose 11.2% from diminishing returns with 3x resist
cursive shell
look at it as the number of shots you gain per each curio
ripe obsidian
that's diminishing returns though? 36 is lower than 40
Let's say a gunner does, like, 10 damage. It takes 10 shots to kill you if you have 100 HP.
Now you reduce the damage by 20%. It does 8 damage per shot. That's 13 shots to kill you.
Reduce it again to 64% (2 curios). 6.4 damage per shot means 16 shots to kill you.
Reduce again to 48.8% damage (3 curios). 4.88 damage per shot is 21 shots to kill you.
ripe obsidian
No. It got stronger.
dark pagoda
that's just how percentages work, it did not get stronger than if it gave you 20% each time no?
pale prairie
Yeah I guess but it increased compared to curio 1-2 number of shots
dark pagoda
4.88 is higher than 4, which is what you'd get from 60% resist
ripe obsidian
It's multiplicative, not additive
dark pagoda
Yeah I guess but it increased compared to curio 1-2 number of shots
thats just how percentages work
cursive shell
doesn't diminishing returns mean that the thing you get (shots) needs to be less for every curio? otherwise what is diminishing?
ripe obsidian
Yes, multiplicative is not as strong as additive would be
dark pagoda
doesn't diminishing returns mean that the thing you get (shots) needs to be less...
the % resist you get is less per curio, the amount of shots being more is just how percentages work
like 99% and 98% are only 1% away, but 98% is double 99%
frail oar
It is a diminishing return
pale prairie
It is slightly diminished from adding percentage but as far as shots blocked itās still very good
dark pagoda
its still good its just not as good as it would be if it weren't diminishing
frail oar
Successive increases in value yield less results than previous increases
cursive shell
this is why I got a BA instead of a BS
pale prairie
Especially when fading light 2 strikes
dark pagoda
which i got confused by
dark pagoda
it is
frail oar
Not interested in arguing
ripe obsidian
Let's say a gunner does, like, 10 damage. It takes 10 shots to kill you if you have 100 HP.
Now you reduce the damage by 20%. It does 8 damage per shot. That's 13 shots to kill you.
Reduce it again to 64% (2 curios). 6.4 damage per shot means 16 shots to kill you.
Reduce again to 48.8% damage (3 curios). 4.88 damage per shot is 21 shots to kill you.
Note: despite what you might have heard or read, 3x Gunner Resist does not have diminishing returns.
1x 20% resist = 125% effective HP versus gunners
2x 20% resist (36% resist) = 156.25% effective HP versus gunners
3x 20% resist (48.8% resist) = 195.3125% effective HP versus gunners
frail oar
Define it however you want
dark pagoda
you have 3 lots of 20% and yet only half the damage incoming
there has been diminished percentages
ripe obsidian
I'm not arguing additive versus multiplicative
dark pagoda
if you consider that to be a large diminishing factor is up to you
pale prairie
I'm not arguing additive versus multiplicative
Itās cause itās taking 20% 3 times in succession right?
dark pagoda
I'm not arguing additive versus multiplicative
you are, because that's what a diminishing return is, anything multiplicitive will give you less the more you have
ripe obsidian
It's not giving less!
dark pagoda
it is!
ripe obsidian
The third curio is objectively stronger than the first two!
dark pagoda
the first one gives you 20, the second one gives you 16, it went down !!
dark pagoda
The third curio is objectively stronger than the first two!
i concede this but that doesn't mean it isn't diminishing !
if it was not diminishing it'd get even stronger per curio
pale prairie
Again look at damage not percentage
cursive shell
it's like compound interest in share of a company
even if the absolute dollar value goes up when you buy another share, the relative value goes down more than the previous share
dark pagoda
Again look at damage not percentage
we can look at damage and not percentage, three curios of 20 only half the incoming damage, it's been diminished
pale prairie
More than half
dark pagoda
a little
still not 60%
two things can be correct at once, the curio total value can increase per one obtained and the curio can also have a diminishing return
pale prairie
Oooooookay I guess I am trying to see your point. You just want to argue about vernacular? Game mechanics say 3rd curio has a bigger effect than just first 2 alone
dire wharf
Does doing a mission with just bots count as a solo run š
cursive shell
how would the math work if we added a fourth curio?
ripe obsidian
That's additive versus multiplicative. Diminishing returns would be if the second curio or third curio provided less value than the first. Which they don't
First curio is 25% effective health
Second curio is like 31% more effective health
Third curio is like 39% more effective health
ripe obsidian
how would the math work if we added a fourth curio?
You would have ~244% effective HP versus gunners
So another ~49% increase, I believe
dark pagoda
the percentage increase goes down with each obtainment, the incoming damage does not because it's a percentage
if it did not diminish it would be 60% and better
zealous wing
poor six, people arguing gunner resist is diminishing yet again
dark pagoda
when you tell someone "it does not have diminishing returns" before explaining that you mean in damage intake and not in percentage increase then you are going to confuse people
because if it does not diminish then 100% is possible
which i believe an arbiter could reach with castigator stance
cursive shell
100% would only be possible with 5 curios tho
zealous wing
thats now what diminishing means
dark pagoda
that is exactly what diminishing means
zealous wing
if it got worse the more you had, thats diminishing
ripe obsidian
Diminishing returns is not the same as additive versus multiplicative. I'm going crazy.
zealous wing
this is just maths
pale prairie
when you tell someone "it does not have diminishing returns" before explaining t...
You are comparing additive which is adding all the percentages together before applying vs how it actually works which is multiplicative
dark pagoda
being multiplicitive means it's diminishing
zealous wing
...
dark pagoda
this is just math
zealous wing
no
pale prairie
Uuuuuuh no
cursive shell
should just be called marginal utility
frail oar
Whats 20 % of 100
cursive shell
the marginal utility of the resist curio goes up with each addtl curio
dark pagoda
Whats 20 % of 100
i think they've adopted a word with a specific meaning for their unspecific purpose and will not budge
20 becoming 16 is not diminishing because an intrinsic effect of all percentages is that the higher they are the more impactful they are
i suppose as a shorthand for gunner damage its convenient
in any other context it would be confusing
zealous wing
poor six. probably off hunting the source code to support his maths, while others talk out their ass
thorn cedar
they call it diminishing because they are looking (myopically perhaps) at the effective % change and nothing else
that's really all it is
ripe obsidian
poor six. probably off hunting the source code to support his maths, while other...
I'm giving up. I have provided all the relevant math. No more proof to offer
dark pagoda
poor six. probably off hunting the source code to support his maths, while other...
i understand what the code says, and that more gunner curios increases the amount of ehp more than the one before it, but are we using diminishing returns as the mathematical function or as a descriptor?
dark pagoda
I'm giving up. I have provided all the relevant math. No more proof to offer
the only issue is the choice of word
thorn cedar
descriptor
dark pagoda
descriptor
yeah exactly
dark pagoda
gramatically if you say "there are no diminishing returns" you would be clarifying that by 3 curios theres 25 shots, which is more than the diminished 21 shots, even if each curio is more impactful than the last
thorn cedar
it is not a mathematical conversation with mathematicians it is a conversation with nerds who play vidya james
dark pagoda
if you're using diminish as a descriptor, you are correct
the literal written word known as diminish does not apply between curios in a game sense because each one is more impactful than the last, saying there are no diminishing returns on 3 lots of 20% would always mean you are saying 60%
not 52%
thorn cedar
refer to previous statement
dark pagoda
that's a diminishing return, 21 is less than 25
dark pagoda
refer to previous statement
im explaining to the people who used the mathematical function by name to then say "it's math" and pretend i somehow dont understand something.
zealous wing
dear god just STOP you can admit you were wrong about how you thought it worked
dark pagoda
dear god just STOP you can admit you were wrong about how you thought it worked
you mean you're wrong about claiming its math when you're using a function in a setting you're using it as a descriptor?
zealous wing
it happens
dark pagoda
just admit you dont understand 25 is higher than 21
and shorthand saying "it'd be 25" and posting 21 is not confusing
zealous wing
pale prairie
that's a diminishing return, 21 is less than 25
You are saying itās diminishing returns because the game doesnāt calculate it the way you want which is ADDITIVELY the game does not add 20+20+20 for resistance. It uses MULTIPLICATIVELY which is why there are no DIMINISHING returns (results becoming increasingly lower as you add curios)
dark pagoda
You are saying itās diminishing returns because the game doesnāt calculate it th...
the fact it does not add 20+20+20 means it's diminishing.. if i say there's no diminishing returns that means every return is the same and i would end up with 60, which i could immediately know is 25 shots to kill me
posting a bunch of math that shows me you take less than 25 is in fact showing me there's a diminishing return
using the word diminish as a descriptor is different
zealous wing
well at least someone is posting math and sources
pale prairie
the fact it does not add 20+20+20 means it's diminishing.. if i say there's no d...
No because the game doesnāt calculate it that way?
zealous wing
you havent done a thing
zealous wing
do the maths
zealous wing
how much effective hp it has, then go test it
frail oar
You are arguing effective hp and he is arguing gunner resistance values
frail oar
Aye
dark pagoda
ok
so you're saying i dont get it and im wrong on the basis of... you not caring what is right or wrong?
zealous wing
no six gave you the maths. thats what you dont get
dark pagoda
"the mathematical function being cited is not correct, but the outcome is bigger"
dark pagoda
no six gave you the maths. thats what you dont get
i get the math
each gunner curio is more impactful than the last in shots
pale prairie
Apples to Oranges comparison. Why doesnāt the multiplicative resistance equal additive resistance? BECAUSE THEY USE DIFFERENT FORMULAS
zealous wing
if its incorrect, go grab the source code, and give the maths
dark pagoda
each gunner curio is more impactful than the last in shots
^
are we on the same page about that
pale prairie
one is used in the game one is not
dark pagoda
if its incorrect, go grab the source code, and give the maths
appeal to authority is a fallacy
now answer
dark pagoda
are we on the same page about that
same page or not?
zealous wing
how about nah, i've been told you've picked fights while being sourceless before. you're just picking fights, and im not biting anymore :) have a good day
dark pagoda
if it wasnt diminishing per curio, it'd be even more impactful
let me drag out the example
if having 1 curio gave me 80% resist, and then the next one gave me 19% resist, that's a major diminishing return
the actual number you're left with in the end is 1/100 instead of 1/5, this is a major major major increase
dark pagoda
how about nah, i've been told you've picked fights while being sourceless before...
oh so you're just completely wrong and cant accept it
dw i get it
you used a word wrong and got mad when people got confused
cursive shell
what's even the bit here?
pale prairie
if it *wasnt* diminishing per curio, it'd be *even more* impactful
let me drag...
Butā¦.thats not how they work. So you are saying there arenāt diminishing returns?
frail oar
Rightness
dark pagoda
what's even the bit here?
that pretending someone doesn't know math because they're explaining how a term works is stupid
frail oar
Or the appearance of it anyway
dark pagoda
"it isn't diminishing returns" posts diminishing returns
"you have no source" the source is literally what they posted
frail oar
We've gotten to the semantic portion of discord debates
ripe obsidian
Diminishing returns in a multiplicative function would be if each subsequent curio had less impact than the last. As in, 25% effective HP, then 20%, then 15%. That is the literal definition.
"Multiplicative diminishing returns occur when stacking percentage-based bonuses or penalties reduces their relative effectiveness over time. Each new bonus acts on the new total rather than the base, causing each marginal gain to be smaller than the last."
You are arguing something totally different and using the wrong word. Additive versus multiplicative is not the same thing as diminishing returns.
cursive shell
I don't think anyone was attacking you about it, and we've all understood what is effectively happening for a while
Continuing on is taking the bit from fun to tedious
rich elk
my name is jeff
frail oar
You don't need to convince everyone you are right and you don't need to ground your truth with others
dark pagoda
its funny to me that you can literally post a math equation that says its diminishing and then go "why don't you post a source for your claim? you never have sources" when my source is the one they posted, it isnt my fault you can't read
zealous wing
my name is jeff
i thought it was frank D: I've been LIED TO
pale prairie
its funny to me that you can literally post a math equation that says its dimini...
Did you read the diminishing returns post above
zealous wing
BETRAYED
dark pagoda
Did you read the diminishing returns post above
i need u to be so real with me
cursive shell
its funny to me that you can literally post a math equation that says its dimini...
if it was funny you'd sound more lighthearted, instead you just sound mad
funny in an 'I'm angry' way
pale prairie
i need u to be so real with me
Diminishing returns in a multiplicative function would be if each subsequent curio had less impact than the last. As in, 25% effective HP, then 20%, then 15%. That is the literal definition.
"Multiplicative diminishing returns occur when stacking percentage-based bonuses or penalties reduces their relative effectiveness over time. Each new bonus acts on the new total rather than the base, causing each marginal gain to be smaller than the last."
You are arguing something totally different and using the wrong word. Additive versus multiplicative is not the same thing as diminishing returns.
dark pagoda
if it was funny you'd sound more lighthearted, instead you just sound mad
people like to see a small amount of adversity and mistake it for anger
dark pagoda
Diminishing returns in a multiplicative function would be if each subsequent cur...
the first line of what you said just immediately disproves what you're saying, diminishing returns in a multiplicitive function is an oxymoron, there are no diminishing returns in an additive function
cursive shell
I haven't seen drake and josh in such a long time. Wasn't one of them a weird sex pest?
ripe obsidian
my name is jeff
Hi Jeff
cursive shell
Josh had a fun cameo in the second season of the last of us
jovial juniper
Bruh
zealous wing
<@&735928989146939404>
rich elk
ripe obsidian
Alas, a hacked account. Or just a phished password.
jovial juniper
Mr Beeeeeeeeeeast
pale prairie
Alas, a hacked account. Or just a phished password.
So I canāt get free money?
dark pagoda
the first line of what you said just immediately disproves what you're saying, d...
noticing you had no snarky reply about how i dont know math after this one, possibly because you have no idea what you're talking about?
with that i'm over it