psyker-class

[obtuse swan]

i havent seent ur buoild yet salmen

U need to lurk more kid

[rich spindle]

It’s only for pros

[spice aurora]

sal-mens build better

[verbal thistle]

I can vet for sal

[rich spindle]

Noobs can’t access it

[obtuse swan]

lurk more.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mog-mogged-snowman-gif-5368055129249858152

[rich spindle]

Get gud kid

[obtuse swan]

I play on 40

[zealous mango]

[rich spindle]

I play on 60

[ripe obsidian]

This explains nothing

[obtuse swan]

My build is pro in the right hands.

[pale prairie]

It’s the tiny brain tiny dick speak of toxic masculinity streamers

[rich spindle]

Ez

[obtuse swan]

I played wih the guy who ijnvented darktide

[zealous mango]

Smykers doing anything but play the actual game

[spice aurora]

i kneel

[jovial juniper]

No but already prepares you to visualize what mogging is

[rich spindle]

I played with the guy who I vented darktides dad

Get owned kid

[spice aurora]

my dad works for xbox he gonna get u banned from the internet

[ripe obsidian]

I played with Ainz once

[rich spindle]

Me too I think

[crisp ether]

I've played with ainz

A few times

And salmon

[ripe obsidian]

He couldn't carry me

[pale prairie]

I remember that

[crisp ether]

And salmon once told me to stop throwing my Chem nades and I wanted to cry

I have never been the same after

[ripe obsidian]

Salmon: known bully

[pale prairie]

Damn bullying is real

In my game without green circles?!?

[rich spindle]

I was having fun cleaving the poxwalkers and they all vanished 😂 😂 😂

[pale prairie]

How is this possible

[crisp ether]

I wanted my stimm back 😢

[jovial juniper]

Here's my objectively and factually better build

[ripe obsidian]

Salmon mogged goblin about tox grenades. Did I use that right?

[pale prairie]

I kneel

[zealous mango]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-no-please-gif-13393246

[pale prairie]

No

[verbal thistle]

Simon fucking cowell

[limber heath]

Is this h40 viable?

[verbal thistle]

or however that meme goes

[spice aurora]

soimon

[ripe obsidian]

10 more minutes and they'll kill those crushers

[ripe obsidian]

Good.

[crisp ether]

If you're pro enough

[zealous mango]

They spent the entire mission using smite

[jovial juniper]

Havoc 50 viable
Tested by yours truly

[limber heath]

Woah

[rich spindle]

I think if you used inferno staff you could do it

[ripe obsidian]

I must become an old fart and use slang wrong to annoy the kids.

[jovial juniper]

You got the spirit

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[pale prairie]

Wait this might be how we make Smyker meta. You need to have dead Allie’s as bait

[crisp ether]

She sixes on my seven til I

I'm sorry.

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dogdiesamengodbless-gif-23866738

[ripe obsidian]

How lewd

[crisp ether]

I had a feeling someone was gonna mpreg emoji me

[verbal thistle]

ye

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-cell-block-tango-he-had-it-coming-he-only-had-himself-to-blame-gif-5380139

[rich spindle]

Mpreg is my favorite video file format

[pale prairie]

Love unzipping those ones

[rich spindle]

I love unzipping tightly compressed folders bulging with data

[verbal thistle]

and they say genchat is bad... smh

[ripe obsidian]

I've never been to genchat

Too spooky

[crisp ether]

Gen chat is

Interesting.

That is

The best way I can really put it without suffering immense brain damage

It's not bad all the time obvs

[jovial juniper]

This jit unzips files

[rich spindle]

This jit still unzips files the old fashioned way

[crisp ether]

Hmm.

Real talk.

Has anyone tried heavy sword on psyker since the rework?

[zealous wing]

i've done devils claw, heavy sword was soon on my list

[crisp ether]

I can't help but be curious

[ripe obsidian]

I think @spice aurora played with it a little?

[crisp ether]

Cuz it sorta took my #1 spot on scum

And now I must try it in other avenues.

[fluid knot]

No its; "Shes all sixes and sevens" (Cockney rhyming slang for "she's insane")

[crisp ether]

It's not the same slang 😭

[steep cedar]

Haha your pregnant

[crisp ether]

I mean

[zealous wing]

someone needs to come collect the zealots

[fluid knot]

No, it's much older

[ripe obsidian]

Why so?

[crisp ether]

You know what I am not gonna go any further with that line of thought

[rich spindle]

Worse Illisi pretty much

[fluid knot]

We escaped containment and we're not going back again

[crisp ether]

Because it's fun.

[ripe obsidian]

Is your profile pic a character from Peep Show? Looks familiar

[fluid knot]

It is indeed, Super Hands

[crisp ether]

I use a crit build with perfect strike and chained deathblow

And my madness. Actually worked out because it's actually pretty damn good.

[rich spindle]

Interdasting

[crisp ether]

I mean yeah you do lose headtaker

[rich spindle]

How does no headtaker feel into horde

[crisp ether]

But its scum

[rich spindle]

Oh

[crisp ether]

You're just fine.

[rich spindle]

I thought you meant on psyker

[crisp ether]

They were asking about why I liked it so much on scum

[fluid knot]

This is the Scum/Zealot chat now

[rich spindle]

Understood

[crisp ether]

Which. Ya

Can't lie

I really do like new heavy sword

[rich spindle]

Hsword absolutely owns on scum

[crisp ether]

It always did but its

Better now

[ripe obsidian]

Soon it will be Skitari chat (he said, blissfully unaware of any looming disappointment)

[crisp ether]

And faster.

[zealous wing]

you were right though, about an hour ago i regret checking

[crisp ether]

Also I imagine a meleeker with that setup would go hard too honestly

Since, perfect strike on crit heavy build

With lots of finesse

[ripe obsidian]

I am sometimes always right

[crisp ether]

Once i saw that I could reliably cleave carapace

That was it for me

I was in love at that moment

[patent steeple]

I still haven't actually tried Hsword properly yet...

[crisp ether]

Oh right

Also

Bulwark shields don't stop your attack

[jovial juniper]

Collect my fanatics

[crisp ether]

I cannot express enough how much of a QoL improvement that is

[ripe obsidian]

You're a QoL improvement!

[limber thistle]

AAAA

<@&735928989146939404> help i was gonna post my builds but the bot ate them bc it thought i was spamminnnngg

bc lotsa words 😭

[crisp ether]

Gotta post em piece by piece 😔

[limber thistle]

can u help? is there like an audit channel that has the deleted post so i could get the text back at least?

[crisp ether]

Wow.

T-thank

[limber thistle]

i dont wanna write it all agaaiiiinn

[crisp ether]

Ctrl Z maybe?

[ripe obsidian]

RIP

[jade mulch]

Canon Build:
Type: Aggressive DPS
Zarona Mk.II Revolver, Greatsword
Rupture, Shriek, EmpPsi

Heavy Build:
Type: Support DPS
InfAuto, Blazesword
Rupture,DomeShield,WarpSiphon

Reject Build:
Type: Honestly idk yet, like a backline support-by-fire or something
InfLas, TacAxe
Assail,ShockShield,EmpPsi

Staff Build:
Type: Generic Psyker
Voidblast Staff, Blazesword
Lightning+Various staff buff skills,ShockShield,EmpPsi (should probably change this to shriek or scrier's though for peril venting...I've legit never played this build tho lol)

5.Terror of the Warp Build:
Type: Hyperaggressive, Critical Everything
Agripinaa MkXIVA Revolver, Combat Knife
Lightning,Scrier's Gaze,Direct Destiny
(This build is new and WIP. It's a max crit build, but I wanted to see how far i could go without exploding. It's designed to go crazy with lightning, reach critperil, then hit Scrier's and go right back to blasting even more lightning, until reaching crit a second time and quelling. it's just for the sillies really)

Guardian Build:
Type: Versatile Support
Zarona Revolver, Shock Maul
Assail,ShockShield,EmpPsi

Alt Build:
Type: Versatile DPS
Nearly identical to Canon but I swapped EmpPsi for Warp Siphon and like one other thing. This one's not as fun as my main build tho 🙁 I just wanted to see if Warp Siphone would be better suited for Rupture than EmpPsi. It probably wouldn't be as bad if I just used my Ult more often, lol

Hunter Build
Type: Countersniper (High Crit + Precision)
Semi-auto Autogun, Sabre
Assail,Scrier's Gaze,Direct Destiny
This one's for crits and headshots

formatting got a bit fucked because of the thing but there you go

[pale sky]

Damn beat me to it,

[crisp ether]

Oh cool.

[ripe obsidian]

A heroic warden indeed

[pale sky]

but yeah hadron says you deleted it

might have been a fingerslip

[crisp ether]

That being said.

You may want to go on gameslantern for that.

If you wanna share your builds.

[ripe obsidian]

Gameslantern is the best tool for it, yes

[crisp ether]

Just.

Be wary of the builds you see there.

Quite a bit of them are just

Not very good.

[ripe obsidian]

Do not trust the Gameslantern builds, my children. Trust only the truth which I have bestowed upon you.

[radiant frigate]

heed the word of he who follows after five

[jovial juniper]

Don't ever trust Hadron

[pale prairie]

But I found one that says best build for havoc noobs and had PoTs on it

It’s so goooooooood

[pale prairie]

Better to trust this weird spoopy Google Docs link

It says BONANZA

[crisp ether]

[jovial juniper]

No but you see
It has noob in the name so it's for pros

[limber thistle]

I didn’t

It vanished the moment I posted it

[pale sky]

its what the log says

automod is empty

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spock-dazzling-display-logic-star-trek-gif-16343803

[limber thistle]

AWW THANK YOU LETS GO

I’m about to step out for a bit but I’ll post them separately with pics later

Tysm for preserving it you’re the best!

[jade mulch]

happy to help

[ripe obsidian]

I plan to port it to Steam soon.

An idea I has was making a beeg flowchart to help people pick a build

[pale prairie]

Oh man

A flowchart would be pretty beeeg

Then no one could doubt your claim to the throne my liege

All would look upon the might that is psyker and despair

[spice aurora]

I yolod it yesterday, I used walls not SG or anything

Prolly the safest ive felt ever, basically unkillable, took 1 dmg cuz I stepped in BoN pee

Dmg isn’t bad for what I was expecting just make sure you actually parry as much as you can, replacing dodge/block/push with parry xD

And it was dreg rager seed

[crisp ether]

Wait.

Was that heavy sword or d claw?

[spice aurora]

Dclaw

[crisp ether]

Oh. Yeah we were talking about heavy sword there.

[spice aurora]

Ngl I hate heavy sword

Instead of 100 dmg I do like 200 on crusher, with the brittles 😤

Oh oops

[crisp ether]

Probably more a pick for the other classes i think

Zealot has fury. Veteran has rending strikes and I guess onslaught could work too since the brittleness stacks

And scum is

Scum

I don't think scum needs any real clarification

[ripe obsidian]

Scum go zoom

Scum go stab

[rich spindle]

Hsword does not feel good on psyker to me

You really need power increases in tree

Same reason knife feels meh on psyker

Only 10% attack speed is rough too

[spice aurora]

ogryn shoukd have smite

[radiant frigate]

imagine force greatsword on hive scum

[kind jay]

what if ogryn could dual wield fgs

[radiant frigate]

they can

it's just not practical

[kind jay]

practical? psssh boring

[pale prairie]

Gonna be a lot of one eyed Ogryn if that happened

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-20454669

[radiant frigate]

would have to go riposte shred or somesuch since no peril

[pale prairie]

Hah it would be funny to try to warpslice and it just throws your weapon

[radiant frigate]

imagine trying to warp slice and it just whips out a rocket launcher

[pale prairie]

I would miss unstable power but the faster attack speed would be mmmmmmmmmm

[ripe obsidian]

losing the 10% attack speed on LMB EK has been felt.

10% is so much more than it seems

[pale prairie]

“Wait the brain freaks get those kind of weapons????? Uuuuuh yeah I hear the warp definitely, Quartermaster, best issue me one of those relics.”

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s like 1/10

Feels like

[radiant frigate]

also, if you will

power sword on scum

[pale prairie]

Oh shit

I am gonna scum all over the place stop

[radiant frigate]

served with the guard for lotsa years, sir yes sir hand me that right now i'm gonna kill so many heretics

[pale prairie]

“Oh yeah uh emprah all that!”

[radiant frigate]

"lasgun? sorry chief i was part of a really poor regiment we just got autoguns"

[pale prairie]

“Tithe took all our las weapons! The emperor protects and such right!?”

[ripe obsidian]

Fun thing I am using Claude Code to create. Can you see where I blew myself up to end the mission?

[rich spindle]

That’s a sick little app

[pale prairie]

Was it the immediate 0 after 100?

[marble crater]

Possibly

[wind spruce]

Is that a dick joke

[pale prairie]

Could be

[wind spruce]

You sly little thing

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/its-classified-tom-cruise-classified-private-secret-gif-9579704

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

I will try to get the AI to add a feature that shows when a perilsplosion happened

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/wisdom-wisdomous-intelligent-smart-gif-14536675

[ripe obsidian]

right now I am trying to coach it into fixing some issues with the UI

[pale prairie]

Is this how the AI war happened in 40k?

[kind jay]

nurgle vibe codes thats why sound queues dont play sometimes

[pale prairie]

Yeah I am not enjoying the lack of sound for back shots

I need loud back shots again

[kind jay]

giggity

[rich spindle]

That would be really cool to see, maybe add sections to the bars showing what is contributing to the peril if that’s possible

I’d love to look at like 5 games in a row strung together like that

[ripe obsidian]

I can try. It might be very complicated to do that, but I can see what I can do

well

what the AI can do

[kind jay]

whats melee?

fatshark lemme unequip melee and use 2 staves pls

[main crow]

Melee is for nerds

[limber thistle]

how come scoreboard works for you?? it crashes on leaving a mission for me

[pale prairie]

You need to have scoreboard, then ovenproof scoreboard plugin, the ovenproof score board community patch

All three are mods on nexus

[kind jay]

yeah, that

[buoyant maple]

U don’t actually need those

There’s a fixed baseline scoreboard in modder discord made by Backup

[pale prairie]

Oh that’s nice

[jovial juniper]

Backup

That's a name I haven't heard in a while

🚬

(good)

[wind spruce]

@ripe obsidian im not convinced these crit break points, eg 67% for the pity crit on 2 instead of 3, actually represent meaningful breakpoints for build optimisation

66% is literally fine, and extra crit from, say 61%>66% is just as meaningful as crit from 66%>71% despite the 2nd hitting your "breakpoint"

Because... at 66% your 2nd hit literally has a 98.4% crit chance

Less than twice out of 100 casts will you not get a pseudo-pity

Im probably wrong but i cant see why rn

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think you're wrong.

I am making a spreadsheet.

[wind spruce]

What for?

[spice aurora]

why am igetting declined all the time reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Psyker classism is real

[tacit badge]

You will play inferno staff, and you will be happy

[pale prairie]

Don’t forget bubble

[radiant frigate]

is that why i get declined
melee psyker racism?

inferno bubble makes me snooze

[zealous wing]

its so sad

inferno bubble is such a sad creation

[tacit badge]

Put on inferno staff to bait them, and then just go melee only

[radiant frigate]

and this is why havoc sucks

[zealous wing]

someone told me they put mercantile back in

if they did, then havoc is completely dead to them

[ripe obsidian]

I like spreadsheets

[pale prairie]

No it’s cause they can see you are an eldari. Untrustworthy Xeno

[zealous wing]

why must this be so far away

it keeps ruining my plans

over and over

i dont care for solidity, and the minor ranged node is also whatever, but tax node gonna tax node and make me >:(

[verbal thistle]

Imo, 3 point tax for not using gaze/skill issue

I only used that talent once when it 1st came out

Hate that pathing for left side tree

[spice aurora]

the whole left side of psyker tree is foreign to me idk shit there xD

i lied, the peril TDR is slightly left leaning

[wind spruce]

What is in the spreadsheet

[ripe obsidian]

data about my games using seer's presence vs prescience

[wind spruce]

Nice

[ripe obsidian]

I have found some areas where I am weirdly consistent

[zealous wing]

or yknow, cozy tax

[ripe obsidian]

it appears to be working

if anyone wants to help test it, let me know, please

[ripe obsidian]

and in a longer game

[kind jay]

that looks neat gimme

[ripe obsidian]

Sent PM

[wraith sphinx]

Same, the bonus is just not worth the pathing and the drawbacks for me. Even on my non-SG builds.

[ripe obsidian]

Might still have bugs. Probably does. But I have gotten it to a place where it seems stable

v38 booted you from live games. I think the server read the mod and was like, "this looks like cheating" for some reason

But it is fixed now

[weary hatch]

Absolute Cinema siblings

[proper spoke]

This looks incredible. The potential for training is huge

[long saddle]

this looks like a great tool

[long saddle]

I'd be down

[kind jay]

i tried a run using crystalmeth @ripe obsidian

couldnt get rid of myself, and yet

[potent echo]

Doctors hate Scab Bruiser

[wraith sphinx]

Get bruised lmao

[kind jay]

he bruised my scab, i only wanted it picked

[tepid wing]

"ooh they need to nerf soulblaze"
yeah but only if they buff everything else
"wait that's cheating"

[limber thistle]

How the hell did you do that also how have you died from overload more in one match than i have ever?

[limber thistle]

OHH I NEED THE PLUGIN TOO?! Wth why?? That’s so weird

[quartz barn]

Ngl if you use shriek and dont cancel your overload on every cast youre doing it wrong

[marble crater]

You have only ever died twice?

[radiant frigate]

just community patch

[limber thistle]

Exploded

Ive died plenty

I just have a build that builds up like

Basically ZERO peril

[marble crater]

That's not a good thing

[limber thistle]

And between that and careful use of Ults and selection of the Ults and Blitzes my different builds have, even on my “fuck it, we go full send” lightning build, I haven’t really overloaded except once when I FIRST tried the Assail arrows and exploded because i got too overzealous with ‘em lol

[fresh pike]

Sibling lives in the warp at this point

[grizzled sierra]

What staff should I gravitate towards if I'm looking for a more ranged playstyle
Trauma?

[cosmic cobalt]

meleepsyker

fgs + laspistol

[radiant frigate]

what why

build peril right NOW

[cosmic cobalt]

bro is the cuck chair enthusiast

[radiant frigate]

peril-less psyker is like a pizza with nothing

[cosmic cobalt]

there is so many talent/blessing that interact with high peril

and peril is dogshit easy to upkeep

[quartz barn]

So basically you dont edge at all and do about 40% ish of the damage you could be doing

[radiant frigate]

play different class at that point

like zealot

[blissful crypt]

if you mean with ranged playstyle only using your ranged weapon then trauma is the best choice. If you mean shooting enemys at range then traume isnt as good.

[quartz barn]

Basically use voidstrike

[cosmic cobalt]

ball suck

💔

[quartz barn]

Not as good in havoc ye

But perfectly viable everywhere else

[cosmic cobalt]

I don't consider trauma to be ranged unless you can hit epicenter consistently at longer range

or use the radius mod

[radiant frigate]

stomp staff

[wraith sphinx]

Sibling let's go bowling

[fresh pike]

Sibling let's go do something

[jovial juniper]

All of them

[limber thistle]

I dunno about you but i like having brains inside my skull instead of a boltpistol round from my commissar? Kinda hard to think with a boltpistol round, they’re not meant for thinking

[cosmic cobalt]

bro cannot be real

[limber thistle]

Don’t care ‘bout meta >:3

Well yeah i have that one

I quell a lot

I still generate PERIL lol

[cosmic cobalt]

"i like having brains inside my skull"

doesn't use the thing that keep your brain inside your skull

[limber thistle]

I just dont explode it

[limber thistle]

What

The…brain fluid?

Fuggin

Cerebral fluid?

[radiant frigate]

so you just run with low peril?

what inspired you to play psyker if so?

[fresh pike]

I'm always the magic guy in a game

In fact I was specifically told to play Psyker by friends who played Darktide in the past

[radiant frigate]

certified wizza

[fresh pike]

Real

I can't not be a wizza in any game

Elden Ring, Darktide, Nightreign, Tainted Grail or whatever it's called

DD2

[quartz barn]

• its always cool to see magic in various games

[radiant frigate]

sufficiently advanced swordsmanship is indistinguishable from magic

[late sapphire]

Soulslike casters are so boring though

Always end up just hitting enemies with the magic sword

[quartz barn]

I usually play hybrid tho

[zinc phoenix]

I likes to play this game as a gish

[late sapphire]

(because throwing pebbles is a snorefest)

[quartz barn]

Modded soulslikes are better for magic runs imo

[fresh pike]

True, but ER and Nightreign are the lesser bad/boring ones compared to souls 3

[quartz barn]

Fp regen so you can exclusively use spells is great

[fresh pike]

Casting against dlc Radahn is also pretty fun tbh

[late sapphire]

The convergence mods are pretty fun

[fresh pike]

Especially because Renalla's moon nullifies that meteor attack of his

[radiant frigate]

true true, much like ranged builds it's basically cheating

[quartz barn]

Convergence er is so bad...

[fresh pike]

Still need to do that sometime

[quartz barn]

Ds3 is cool however

[fresh pike]

I tried it ages ago on my old pc but never finished it

[late sapphire]

Only got a third of the way through originally because the anime bullshit bosses pissed me off

[quartz barn]

I did coop convergence ds3 a few weeks ago

[late sapphire]

Then i played wuchang fallen feathers and got a real taste of anime bullshit and went back to wipe the floor with convergence

[quartz barn]

Only issue is that irithyll bricks your character

[quartz barn]

Also ngl as someone who has played a ton of soulslikes this just sounds like a skill issue lmao

But no offense tho, im currently finishing up ng+ on first berzerker khazan and seeing the fextra comments on those bosses is quality content

[radiant frigate]

my biggest criticism of ER is how a lot of fights just end up being "spam l2"

[late sapphire]

It was a skill issue, but i got better

[quartz barn]

Because the pacing is weird due to the open world

Also just easier in genersl

[late sapphire]

Playing ER is aids because you can play for 8h and all of the items you find are exactly not for your build

Because there is so much nontent

[radiant frigate]

i mean more because while you can learn boss patterns and find openings and whatnot, it's going to be 3x as hard compared to just mashing l2

[late sapphire]

Did you play wuchang, nut?

[quartz barn]

Nop

[radiant frigate]

because l2 does 3x the damage and 3x the stagger and that gets you crits and kills things a little too effectively

[quartz barn]

Not yet maybe

Next one is ai limit

Yes ik if i end up playing wuchang ill need the earlier version to not deal with censorship

[late sapphire]

Huh yeah i just found out about the censorship

That's so aids

Totally messes up the story too

[radiant frigate]

when i heard it was getting censored i thought it was about the goon souls allegations

[late sapphire]

A lot of the outfits are very, say, risque

[radiant frigate]

turns out it's because characters from chinese history appear as bosses and were killable

and now you just talk to them

[late sapphire]

Took me until roughly halfway through to get a nice looking set of armor

[late sapphire]

Ming aligned enemies and npcs are now unkillable and the bosses just 'get knocked out' instead of dying whatever that means

[radiant frigate]

ye olde strangely nonlethal sword

[fresh pike]

Kinda like that one gun mod in Cyberpunk

[late sapphire]

That actually pissed me off the most in Rogue Trader. NPC blew up in combat. Dead or just knocked out? No way to tell.

[radiant frigate]

private camille regias gets fucking SHANKED and walks it off

[quartz barn]

Its because those characters have some made up image that cant be 'tainted'

So you dont even get to fight some of them any more

[late sapphire]

It's han supremacist propaganda

So for example the final boss of act 4 is Zhu Youjian aka the chongzhen emperor, the final emperor of the ming dynasty. Since the ming dynasty was the last han dynasty (being succeeded by the manchu qing dynasty and then the peoples republic) he's a highly regarded figure in the han ethnonationalist ethos

[ripe obsidian]

I intentionally overloaded to test it.

[ripe obsidian]

You will also note that the game was 58 seconds long. I loaded in and blew myself up immediately to test that functionality

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-air-quotes-gif-15372542988520135708

[thorn cedar]

skissue

[zinc phoenix]

“I know this is a fighting game but we’re gonna resolve our differences through polite conversation ok?”

[ripe obsidian]

It is true, I cannot control my peril. I just kersplode immediately upon entering games. Too much warp, too little time

[pale prairie]

6 (seconds into match I will explosion)

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[pale prairie]

Warpkitty

[thorn cedar]

she bein very qt today

probably cause she knows im heading out

[jovial juniper]

We are not going to shame people for their premature overload

Don't worry about it

[fresh pike]

This is the way

This is peak Psyker performance

[dire wharf]

One peril chump

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone else want to play with the peril tracker mod to help them avoid becoming a one peril chump like me?

Example of the current interface

It's not as useful as something like Uptime or Scoreboard, but I wanted to know my average peril in a game and nothing existed to provide the info

[pale prairie]

Interesting! Pretty cool!

[wraith sphinx]

Sure I'll try it out

Link?

[long saddle]

I did a h33 but my game crashed and didn't save peril history

[ripe obsidian]

Did it crash because of the mod? Or a different reason?

[long saddle]

different reason

[ripe obsidian]

I can try to coach the AI to make the mod to save peril histories even in the case of a crash, but I fear that would be bad for performance. I think only PowerDI has that option of the tracking mods I use

[quartz barn]

Average havoc moment

[long saddle]

ye it's fine

we lost at the same time so

[ripe obsidian]

Curse this unstable game

[wraith sphinx]

Perils of the

[pale prairie]

You use power di?

[ripe obsidian]

One thing I was considering was having the mod color the tracking bars based on Warp Nexus tiers, but I fear it would make the visual way too busy.

[ripe obsidian]

Used to. Can't justify the performance issues now

[pale prairie]

Yeah I thought you said it cause issues so was wondering what made you switch if you did

[ripe obsidian]

My CPU can't handle it, or something. Despite having an i9-10850k. Which isn't that old? Or is it?

Oh god it came out in 2020.

[ripe obsidian]

I like PowerDI's functionality a lot. It's really cool. It's just a 20 FPS hit

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/twelfth-doctor-peter-capaldi-doctor-who-and-if-they-ask-you-who-i-am-tell-them-i-came-the-long-way-around-confession-dial-gif-25900910

[ripe obsidian]

Time scares me

[fresh pike]

Same

[long saddle]

another failed, but it did save at least!

just standard inferno shriek

[ripe obsidian]

Nice. The sampling interval is currently adjustable between 1 and 5 seconds, in the mod options

I can make it sample more frequently, but 1 second seemed a good place to start as the lowest.

[long saddle]

ye I just used the default 2

[ripe obsidian]

It looks like Nexus has a tag for AI generated, so I will use that if I upload it. Gonna wait out the weekend for more testing, though, and ponder what features to add besides maybe parsing map names

[long saddle]

overload (vibe) coding

[jovial juniper]

You can AI generate a mod?

[ripe obsidian]

It took 39 iterations

But yes.

I had to coach it and feed it relevant source code.

A simpler mod would probably be quicker. I don't know the full limitations. Modding is complicated, which is why I needed an AI to help me

[jovial juniper]

That's crazy lol

[ripe obsidian]

Technology has come a long way

Getting it to properly track survived versus fatal overloads was like 15-20 of the iterations.

The AI wanted to use sudden peril drops to track it, which was... not a good idea. I found the relevant source code, which was like action warp_explosion, and had to say like 3 times, "stop trying to track it that way, use the action."

[pale prairie]

Consulting the machine spirits

[ripe obsidian]

Now give me an ad mech class

I wonder if AI could do the work of converting the Bonanza to a steam guide format. Or at least the initial pass. I would still need to edit and make tables and things, but I would love if I could avoid the drudgery of doing all the markdown myself

Would a recommended mods section be a good addition? Like, PerilGauge and Warp Unbound Timer?

[pale prairie]

Parsing language data I think is actually something they can do decently well. Proofread obviously

[wraith sphinx]

@ripe obsidian here's mine, full archivum sycorax mission on Auric diff with hi int modifier

on my gun psyker build with ds, recon las, assail. 70% average seems fine?

this would for sure been noticeably more wobblier pre-warp ghost talent existing 😅

[ripe obsidian]

70% does seem fine to me. I guesstimated my average peril at like 73% on Inferno + Shriek in H40, going solely by Warp Nexus uptime

But I couldn't get precise data, which is why I wanted this mod to exist

This will hopefully help quantify the benefits of every talent that used peril for scaling

[wraith sphinx]

Yes, I could see this also helping psyker players decide whether or not would peril-scaling talents be worth picking, depending on their average peril levels

[ripe obsidian]

I am glad people are getting use out of it, and it's not just my niche drive for data that wants it

Oh, speaking of

@still spindle I used AI to make a mod that gives more stats

[wind wind]

What happend in that delta in the first third?

[still spindle]

The omnissiah forbids use of the abominable intelligence!

[wind wind]

Was that the running section in the maintanence tunnels?

[wraith sphinx]

there were like three columns of bulwarks and I was so focused on distracting and dispatching them I forgot to activate gaze

it was right after the tunnels

in the library section

[summer prairie]

next you could make a mod that tracks how many warp charges you have on average when using your ability or track your actual average ability cooldown

[wind wind]

Ah ok. Because thats usually a very hectic part of the map

[ripe obsidian]

I have not the power to make mods on my own. It still took many hours and 39 iterations, plus lots of parsing source code to feed the AI so it would do the right stuff

[ripe obsidian]

This is a good idea.

I will see about that this weekend

[wind wind]

How do you deal with them?

[wraith sphinx]

well I generally try and go for a flank and poke straight away but if they aggro on me I'll try to hold relatively still so the rest of the team can dispatch them. You never know with randoms though

[pale prairie]

Lots of push attacks

Or switch to EK staff and RMB to open up if Allie’s are just hitting the shield

[wind wind]

Force sword push heavy to the face. Thats usually my recepie. Gets a bit tricky If there is more than one tho

[wraith sphinx]

this was on my gun psyker build

[wind wind]

What weapons you have on that

[wraith sphinx]

DS, recon las, assail

[quartz barn]

Hold rmb + lmb simulator

[wind wind]

I found the parrying button on the DS to be underwhelming

[quartz barn]

Ye the poke was so much better...

Still a solid weapon however

[wind wind]

It was stupid to take the poke away

[quartz barn]

No it was stupid to give ds to vet and zealot

[wind wind]

That too

[wraith sphinx]

I do switch up my gunker build's weapons from time to time but this is what I'm currently using, and what I default too when I want to tryhard as well

[ripe obsidian]

With FGS, push attack to open them and/or hold your heavy poke until they swing at you. FGS special might also ignore shields, not sure, but it's hard to charge the special with nothing to kill.

[pale prairie]

What no inferno?

[long saddle]

not on a gaze build

[ripe obsidian]

50rem said gunker

Inferno, just burn their toesies

[pale prairie]

Yeah teasing my burninate friend

But also gaze inferno works

[ripe obsidian]

Gaze Inferno is hateful

I don't like it at all

[rich spindle]

that mod is awesome six nice job sire

[ashen edge]

wdym you don't like the epilepsy trigger build!!

[ripe obsidian]

I can send it to you if you want to test it. I don't think I gave it to you yet

[pale prairie]

As hateful as LMB inferno though?

[ripe obsidian]

No

LMB Inferno is worse.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-good-lad-youre-a-good-person-youre-a-nice-person-karl-urban-billy-butcher-gif-15546028

[ripe obsidian]

I have come to the position that Empyric Shock is fine on Inferno if you're giving up a toughness regen node for it (quietude or soulstealer, mostly), but it's not worth giving up most anything else, like Wildfire. In 90%+ of cases, using LMB is the worse option, but it can be helpful against rager packs or shotgunner packs.

Or mauler packs

[rich spindle]

bequeath it to me my lord

[ripe obsidian]

I still don't think it's better than the toughness regen talents, but that goes back to skill more than anything. Giving up safety for more damage

PM'd you the mod

If you think of any features you want added, just let me know

[radiant frigate]

counterpoint: raw FGS special to trigger kf -> opens up shield -> shank face

[wraith sphinx]

Billy Butchah 🔥 🔥

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-butcher-gif-26503770

[pale prairie]

Alright now what about the other 6?

[wraith sphinx]

I'm still kind of salty how the show fell off post season 3

[wind wind]

Does it not work or what is the problem?

[wraith sphinx]

there was definitely an upset in the production team post WGA strike and for the worse

[radiant frigate]

pretend it's still the event and make bulwark drop grenades that open up the est

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/first-born-children-are-smarter-than-their-siblings-a-study-says-4plus6-addition-calculation-gif-13906111

[radiant frigate]

you are a psyker, you can make it happen

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jimcarrey-dumbanddumber-gif-5394418

[radiant frigate]

(but yeah open up with push attack)

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s the smart way. I always get greedy and hold a stab waiting for them to swing at me

[ripe obsidian]

LMB inferno has a smaller radius, lower damage, slower soulblaze application (unless macroing), and is overall less effective. It just has better stagger. RMB, especially with Blaze Away stacked, staggers trash mobs already and suppresses shooters in range. By spamming LMB you're giving up a massive amount of damage for mediocre crowd control.

[radiant frigate]

oh me too

or i try to get funky flankshots

clip them in the shoulder

[pale prairie]

That’s my scum move

I can dodge half the map I am gonna use that mobility

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah it’s fun. Like sniping

[radiant frigate]

ever since the event i feel like i got eerily good at hitting those shots with fgs

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[radiant frigate]

there is some small joy to competence, is there not?

[pale prairie]

You are rather helpful

[ripe obsidian]

There's a weird drive for people to pick Empyric Shock and Penetration of the Soul on Inferno Psyker, both of which instill bad habits that generally cause players to perform worse. PotS is just an overall bad pick for Inferno, and Empyric Shock is okay, but is an augment to the weapon, not a talent that should define the playstyle.

ES helps in situations where you are LMBing. But it shouldn't be a reason for you to LMB over RMB.

[pale prairie]

I mean the description sounds good. MORE DAMAGE I HAVE INFERNO STAFF SO STACKS ARENT A PROBLEM

[radiant frigate]

a last resort rather than your go-to

LIKE SMITE

novice wizzzas take notes

[wraith sphinx]

I blame the oblique wording on talent descriptions for this

my friends and ex/friends who've been playing darktide since release have been building their psykers in similar ways

funny, they onboarded me while I was still fresh (the psychos queued me for my first auric mael when I was a lvl 16 veteran) then they stopped playing shortly after

[ripe obsidian]

Last resort if ragers are charging you, or if you're sliding into 30 shotgunners and don't want them to have a chance to shoot your team

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. The lack of information about what Rending does, and about ADMs of different weapons, is really difficult to get past without being insane and reading source code.

[wraith sphinx]

or graciously helping yourself to the work of those who already did

[radiant frigate]

fatshark try to explain what things actually do challenge (impossible)

[pale prairie]

Or just testing with or without in psykhanium

[limber thistle]

Ye :3

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[ripe obsidian]

Speaking of, I need to add the FGS special ADMs to the bonanza

[limber thistle]

My character is intentionally very controlled

[limber thistle]

I was curious and then I fell in LOVE with Psykers in general

[wraith sphinx]

I did try to minimize peril too when I was new to the psyker

[radiant frigate]

and you feel no desire to engage more with what psyker is about?

[wraith sphinx]

but this was back before the current gaze buffs so it was a different ballpark

you generally wanted your peril to be near zero to get the most out of scrier's gaze

[limber thistle]

I play on Malice too so I don’t really needa perilmaxx

[wraith sphinx]

oh yeah you can do whatever you want then

[radiant frigate]

ah

i have no further questions

[limber thistle]

Forgive me but it sounds a wee but condescending when you say it like that, though probably not your intention so no hard feelings :p

But i like playin my psyker

I like running the greatsword and cleaving thru hordes

[ripe obsidian]

The stereotype of Psyker players is condescending elitist nerds.

[limber thistle]

And then whipping out the revolver and blasting a bastard

[radiant frigate]

yeah that's what had me confused

[limber thistle]

And then using brainpop to pop a crusher

Its great

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I doubt she meant anything by it, we just operate on the assumption that anyone here is playing on aurics at a minimum since lower difficulties can be easily cleared with literally whatever

[limber thistle]

Nah I’m like my savant psyker

[radiant frigate]

my question was born of genuine confusion and desire to understand

[limber thistle]

I’m just tryna live my ife

And do good by people

[limber thistle]

I figured! It just worded a bit condescending is all, I’m not offended dw! ❤️

[wraith sphinx]

I do like the proffesional demeanor myself

[pale prairie]

More like min-maxing nerds

[wind wind]

Bruh i thought at this point we've had established that i have no idea what i am doing this m regards to psyker lol. Explain it to me like i am five lmao

[limber thistle]

I understand that in many games my playstyles confuse the hell out of veteran players

Its the same in PGR

[ripe obsidian]

What do you call an arrogant criminal going down stairs?

||A condescending con descending.||

[radiant frigate]

i barely have 1k hours so am i even veteran?

[ripe obsidian]

No, you are Psyker.

[radiant frigate]

true fact

i do have three psykers and only one vet

[limber thistle]

they’re like WHY DIDNT U USE THE FREE THING TO GET VERA GERAVOIR OR THE LATEST CONSTRUCT and im like “cos i wanted Vera Garnet cause her voicelines are pretty and she has a bigass flag she throws at people”

[wraith sphinx]

what is pgr?

[lethal vigil]

I’m a newer player and Psyker is has the lower end of playtime for me (I really only use them when the team needs one in havoc) but I’ve noticed a trend where Smite Psykers are denied invites and I’ve even seen criticism from people in Auric or Maelstrom missions, what is the reasoning?

[wind wind]

I replied to the wrong part. I wondered why SG inferno was hateful? Like do scriers gaze and Inferno not work together?

[pale prairie]

Hahahahahahhaha more that it’s like wearing super heavy training weights. You can get kills and still be good but it is a build that limits a player. We’ve had some ragebaiters and newbies try to explain that it’s amazing when it isn’t and finally Six likes efficiency and wants to help people play to the best of their abilities without a poorly optimized build holding them back.

Just some quick backstory

[radiant frigate]

there is nothing wrong with having smite
there is everything wrong with treating smite as a one-size-fits-all solution to every problem you encounter

[limber thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/alpha-pgr-punishing-gray-raven-crimson-weave-skin-gif-7203366419583774018

[radiant frigate]

that is about it

[ripe obsidian]

Pugs Going Rogue, I assume. A roguelike about war hardened designer breed dogs taking revenge on the irresponsible breeders who have created dogs that struggle to even breathe.

[limber thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-lucia-gif-25830246

PGR

https://tenor.com/view/punishing-gray-ravens-global-punishing-gray-ravens-vera-pgr-twenty-one-punishing-gray-ravens-twenty-one-gif-26709989

XXI best girl

[pale prairie]

Huh they dont look like pugs

[wraith sphinx]

Looks like something genshin adjacent

[radiant frigate]

it does, doesn't it?

[wind wind]

Ah ok
I personally almost never use lmb inferno anyways because If i need to push something, melee is usually about to follow anyways, so i just switch to my sword since i can block with that instead of the staff

[ripe obsidian]

I am dramatic. Inferno and SG are fine together, but Inferno generates so little peril to begin with that you're not getting much from SG. You should be able to tick quell and short-charge RMB forever

[limber thistle]

Similar vein

[radiant frigate]

c r i t

[limber thistle]

I love it tho its SO much fun

[wind wind]

But doesnt that mean more burn and more constant damage? Or does the peril need to be high, fast and quickly?

[radiant frigate]

i think what six means is that sg does not add much to inferno that inferno doesn't already do

or that shriek would not do better

[limber thistle]

But yea they always ask “why u run a healer a amp and a dps u should run tank+dps+amp” and im like “no i wanna run two supports fuq u”

[pale prairie]

LMB is perfectly fine on inferno. We are talking when people decide to ONLY USE IT like that’s the entirety of the build is running around and slamming left click

[limber thistle]

SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION of why i dont perilmaxx my psyker

I’s cause

I’onwanna

I vibin

[lethal vigil]

So it comes from most smite Psykers not knowing when to put the lightning down?

[radiant frigate]

or ever putting it down yeah

[limber thistle]

REALLY enjoying the build and gameplay i got going

[pale prairie]

CRITS, TDR, FINESSE DAMAGE, PERIL BUILDING, TOUGHNESS REGEN

[ripe obsidian]

SG mostly means you can sit at 100% peril and burn things safely. The bonus crit is not a huge deal when you already have 40-50% crit chance on a weapon that ticks multiple times per second

[radiant frigate]

is it effective at preventing a lot of heretics from doing things? sure it is
is it engaging for the three others with you? hell no
is it situationally useful when you need to buy time? absolutely

[limber thistle]

Yah i figured thas why i was lenient cos i know just like helldivers most peiple wanna do the HARDEST diff but i like a more measured pace

[ripe obsidian]

Finesse damage to boost your 4 damage crit to 5 damage.

[radiant frigate]

smite has a use case but that use case is not all day every day

[limber thistle]

So on Helldivers i play 6-7 on average, and 5s for roleplay with the homies or while running support for newbies (i really like to help newer players and play medic/support)

[radiant frigate]

i have not played helldivers in half a year

i heard nothing good happened in the meantime

[lethal vigil]

I have only ever played the generic meta build on Psyker to fill the need for one, but I’m starting to grow attached to his personality and wanna play him more. Are the little crystals any good?

[radiant frigate]

with the right build yes

[pale prairie]

How about like 2 damage at max?

[radiant frigate]

excellent fit for melee/gun psyker

[pale prairie]

Check that out you filthy casual Six

[radiant frigate]

some say good with trauma/surge aswell

personally i do not find much use for it alongside a staff

[limber thistle]

I have one build with combat knife, agrapinaa revolver, and like every critical hit perk I could grab, with Smite, EmpPsi, and Scrier’s Gaze and its a TONNE of fun
Dont usually get a lotta kills but i can solo poxwalker hordes if need be and stunlock stuff for my team. Plus the knife PUTS IN WORK against crushers and maulers like HOLY HELL I DID NOT EXPECT IT TO CLAP SO HARD

[radiant frigate]

but with a gun it can serve as your main ranged weapon, while the gun can be a specialized tool

a la laspistol or reconlas, for bosses and mobility

[wraith sphinx]

God I hate those types of helldivers players lmao. Doing nothing of value and draining the shared reinforcements pool because they're greedy for medals

[pale prairie]

Wrong the factory worlds were crazy hard like havoc shit. And the current illuminate sub factions and new units are fun. Other than that though

[limber thistle]

But her whole shtick in that build is build up peril and much as i can and then pop scrier’s for the boosts and keep blastin, it’s fun!

[ripe obsidian]

Assail. It is good.

[radiant frigate]

i think what turns me off with helldivers is the shared reinforcements
and that you are pretty much expected to die

[lethal vigil]

What additional nodes should I use with it? Like the ones that buff the specific ability

I don’t know the term for those

It might be blitz

[limber thistle]

U mean the level 150s who only wanna play diff 10? Ya theyre boring thats why i basically refuse to play with 150s even tho im almost 150 myself lol

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I just kinda dislike SG on staves that aren't surge surge.

[radiant frigate]

and when you do die, it is hard to get back on your feet because you need your calldowns to operate

[limber thistle]

I prefer to help guide and teach newbies

[limber thistle]

Skill issue, just rock EAT and youll always have one ready hehe (I’m joking)

[radiant frigate]

even if you weren't joking, i just run quasar

[wraith sphinx]

Um no I mean the double digit levels that insist on playing 10s only despite clearly not being cut out for it

[radiant frigate]

same effect less moving parts

[limber thistle]

(But i DO love the EAT handsdown best stratagem for its cost and cooldown)

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s fair. Some of the balance around guns and support weapons needs some work for sure

[quartz barn]

Probably the worst offender are the stealth bugs that used to be borderline unavoidable if you had lower fps

[limber thistle]

Ohhh that’s an entirely different ballgame

[pale prairie]

Yeah I know and agree. Trauma scriers though…..

[radiant frigate]

i'm in this picture and i do not like it

[quartz barn]

And instead of making them dodgeable once they got close to you they made them literally unavoidable overall

[limber thistle]

Theyve recently done a BUNCH of rebalancing and overhauls of the weapons and they feel SO FLUFFING GOOD NOW

[radiant frigate]

it is most unfortunate that i cannot solo 10s

[wraith sphinx]

If you've got the chops, bully for you, you unlock all the cool shit by the time you hit lvl 30 so I don't discriminate by level, but brother you gotta temper your expectations according to your own ability lol

[limber thistle]

Like im not a glazediver or a hate diver i just like the game

[quartz barn]

So if you didnt kill them instantly you just die now

[limber thistle]

But FRICK man theyve been making some MASSIVE changes

[pale prairie]

Just need to be deliberate in your loadouts

[wraith sphinx]

It gets boring rather quickly believe me lol

[radiant frigate]

oh i know
the design is very formulaic

thing X, hit in spot Y, go to place Z, extract

[limber thistle]

Current squid fac is fun but a bit tough, Cyberstan was HELL tho omg even on 6 the vox engines were spawning like MAD bro

[wraith sphinx]

I love hitting the quickjoin button and getting stuck with whoever I can find doing d10s. They can be bad just not like "you obviously aren't ready for this" bad lol

[wraith sphinx]

Yes cyberstan was peak 🔥

[ripe obsidian]

Guide people? Who would do a thing like that?!

[radiant frigate]

funniest thing about helldivers is this

numbers like that will make you number 1 in most games

[pale prairie]

Yeaaaaaa some of them. Submachine guns are still in a weird place. The pistol drop off feels weird. Glad backpack cremator is good but there’s so many support weapons now that still need attention that the died of good weapons is narrow. Backpack grenade launcher is good now but the minigun still needs some tinkering I think

[ripe obsidian]

I think Trauma SG is probably good with practice, but I haven't used it much.

[pale prairie]

It’s one of those weird niche build things

[radiant frigate]

building loadouts is probably the most fun i have with that game

[wraith sphinx]

I usually get a handful of those yeah. A little more with that awesome new superstore shotgun

[pale prairie]

I loved aspects of it. Did not like the bugs

It was something different so that’s nice

[radiant frigate]

and then there are nameplates like this

[wraith sphinx]

LOL

[pale prairie]

Hey don’t talk about EXPEDITIONS like that

[radiant frigate]

as for me, i am always K2

[limber thistle]

Its why I like to try diffeewnt builds. My favourite when im bored is to play the FULL NONLETHAL pacifist build, running medic armor, Pacifier, Stim Pistol, Stun Grenades or Urchins, OEMS, Supply Pack, Shield Relay, EMS mortar, or Orbital Smoke/Eagle Smoke in place of shield as needed.

The challenge (which ive yet to succeed) is to get ZERO KILLS in a match, I focus ONLY on supporting my team, it’s a TONNE of fun absolute blast, but relies on a good or well prepared team. A team with even a lil coordination benefits MASSIVELY from the passive buffing even though they’re effectively down a gun, and ive had moments where the whole LOBBY was thanking me for the excellent plays, it’s so much fun dude you GOTTA try it

[pale prairie]

Yeah cause the first one died

[limber thistle]

Real

[radiant frigate]

as i heard from a teammate once
"i am humbled to be a K-number this day"

[ripe obsidian]

Nonlethal doesn't sound very Democracy of you.

[limber thistle]

Idk what you mean smgs are a blast! Love the Knight and the Defender, Sta-11’a alright too. Pistols are pistols, never gonna be the best, hence why I like to run sword or stim pistol depending on if I’m feeling more STABBY or more HEALY

[radiant frigate]

pistols are great (i forgot what the las revolver is called)

the Not Senator

[pale prairie]

The ones without insane drop off. Talon

[limber thistle]

Never used the minigun but it seems decent? They buffed its ammo recently i think if they just buffed the ammo again and maybe made it so u could at least dodge while firing itd be fine, its ment for hordeclear

[wraith sphinx]

Minigun gud. It's also the ultimate "pull your mouse down when firing it" weapon

[radiant frigate]

yes that

the talon is epic

[limber thistle]

I’m a little confused about the backpack weapons, like sure theyre stronger but i still CANNOT fathom why you’d sacrifice your backpack slot for a flamer when you could have the existing flamethrower which is ALREADY REALLY GOOD and like, a hover pack

[radiant frigate]

or you could have a flamer and another flamer

hot dog

https://tenor.com/view/rammstein-konzert-feuer-fireworks-gif-14691418

[wraith sphinx]

Idk but I like the challenge it brings

[limber thistle]

I LOVE plahing Boba Fett with Hover+Flamethrower and cooking bugs from above. I see BTs coming and charge em, blast half a can into their face and boom theyre done lol

[limber thistle]

TRUEEE but i think gas dog would be better

[radiant frigate]

for sure

[limber thistle]

For the double type dps

[pale prairie]

The whole mechanic around having a durable stat at the same time as health pools and armor mean smgs are in this weird place because they don’t have range or armor piercing typically to not overshadow assault rifles. So at short to medium spray lots of bullet and the ones that don’t do that are sub par

[limber thistle]

And blinding

[limber thistle]

Their main thing i think is low recoil and one-handed operation

[radiant frigate]

also saying ic annot solo 10s is not entirely accurate
i used to in the defense of super earth arc

[pale prairie]

That’s what I meant. It should allow either some movement or get an armor piercing buff. It’s huge bullet

[limber thistle]

I mean realistically (NOT that HD2 needs to be overtly realistic, though there should at least be logic applied), SMGs shouldnt overshadow rifles. They’re meant for concealability, flexibility, mobility, and usability.

Also bc they’re cheap

So it makes sense that handling would be better for them

I honestly like them, LOVE the Knight, it’s up there with light Dilligence and Accelerator in my top 3 favourite primaries

[pale prairie]

New flamer backpack has better range, damage, and a better cc ability

[radiant frigate]

based on what i heard from a vet, SMGs are actually more lethal in engagements sub-100m

[limber thistle]

Super accurate just BRRRT of bullets, great against devastators

[wraith sphinx]

My personal fave loadout quirk is always bringing the orbital precision strike, no matter the context. Always feels great when I manage to perfectly time a shot against something moving

[radiant frigate]

something related to stopping power

very colorful character he was

[limber thistle]

Ya! Bigger bullets typically, but also less MV so less overpenetration and thus more internal damage

[radiant frigate]

or is, rather

[wraith sphinx]

Also I'm a huge fan of the tank, tho it's a shame I don't get to use it often cos I pretty much exclusively solo q

[pale prairie]

I am not advertising this at all but basically the entire category of these guns are not really used aside from like 2

[pale prairie]

This right here

[limber thistle]

Its not tho its… well idk the in game caliber but the actual m134 is in 7.62, a rifle cal, which I’d say med pen makes sense for

[pale prairie]

Barrel lengthand powder charge are more important than the bullet caliber

[radiant frigate]

if it fires a rifle caliber it's not exactly a submachine gun, is it

or am i wrong

[limber thistle]

Mobility should be improved though. I get WHY they had u stationary since thats what happens when u fire a REAL minigun, but we’re JUICED UP seven foot tall supersoldiers so I think we should be able to move a bit better with the thing

[radiant frigate]

we are?

[wraith sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184183080114733116/1468355047120175366/tonkdeux.mp4?ex=69c79cf3&is=69c64b73&hm=120ca536201f3947d5c81b7d3dbd73eab75c3b57e97563bf1ea91053c3a9ca7d&

[limber thistle]

No i know, but its basically the same charge just a longer barrel than a conventional rifle

[radiant frigate]

super earth propaganda so strong it has the imperial guard thinking they're space marines

[limber thistle]

OOOO what sound mod??

For the tank!

[pale prairie]

Which causes increased speed of round fired which increases damage and trauma and cavitation etc

[pale prairie]

No

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/snl-aubrey-plaza-france-scream-crazy-eye-gif-27452873

[wraith sphinx]

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/532?tab=description

[limber thistle]

Yes?? Did you not hear in the tutorial how General Brasch said “you remind me of a younger me! something something patriotic and seven feet tall”

We’re also taller than SEAF or civvies if you havent noticed!

[wraith sphinx]

It's true

[radiant frigate]

i should learn french

[wraith sphinx]

I was thinking about it but it sounds like a nightmare to learn

I may stay bilingual forever

[limber thistle]

Damn better than me

I just got english

I can speak a lil german and understand some Spanish

Took 4 and 8 years respectively but I’ve been outta school and outta practice for years now

[wraith sphinx]

I can also speak a little german but it's completely rusted 🙁 nobody cool to talk to in ger

[radiant frigate]

my language skills are good enough to confuse someone asking me "parlez-vous francais?" with a perfect "non"

in hindsight it is less believable to proclaim you do not speak french, in a french accent

i had 4 years of español but uh

it did not stick

i can still make it sound good if you give me something to read though

will i know what i just read? probably not!

[wraith sphinx]

I also went to like 6 months of an italian course but it likewise did not stick

[radiant frigate]

my english seems serviceable though

[wraith sphinx]

yes your english seems fine

[radiant frigate]

and i can vaguely understand slavic languages

[wraith sphinx]

ur 🇦🇹 right?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[wraith sphinx]

makes sense then lol

I'm 🇭🇷

[radiant frigate]

almost neighbors then

[wraith sphinx]

🙂‍↕️

[ripe obsidian]

Learn Finnish.

[radiant frigate]

PERKELE

JUMALAUTA

Finnish is a beautiful language because every word is pronounced exactly as it is written

recommend

[wraith sphinx]

as a slav I absolutely stan such a language

[radiant frigate]

i love the french but the discrepancy between writing and pronunciation in that language is a travesty

[wraith sphinx]

indubitably

[long saddle]

ei saa peittää

that's the extent of the finnish I know

[limber thistle]

Languages I wanna learn:

• Na’vi
• Russian
• Finnish (only a little bit tho)
• Relearning German & Spanish

But enough about non-psyker things

So like, if playing with low peril is an “unusual and interesting playstyle”, what is the “standard” way to play psyker?

Cause like, yeah, i know there’s a perk that stops you from going down if you explode but like that forces you to go two points deep into the centre keystone section (which, to be fair, is Empowered Psionics which is REALLY strong)

but like, if you’re not going for that, it seems kinda silly to explode yourself constantly… maybe on HIGH diffs where theres like fifteen Crushers in a row and you NEED a big boom to take em out, but still, su*cide built seems a bit… odd?

[long saddle]

suicide psyker is a meme build usually

there are so many good talents that psyker has that all correlate to high peril

[zealous wing]

60-80% peril is common

low peril is not really unusual or interesting, its common in new players and safe

80-100% is more high skill threshold of peril edging

crystalline will is purely memes

[dusk timber]

or for the penance

[zealous wing]

EP is fun but not the strongest keystone

[zealous wing]

dont need it for the penance

[dusk timber]

ye but it helps

[zealous wing]

just explode normally by accident

[long saddle]

I don't use shields enough to really peril edge all that much

[dusk timber]

perdge

[zealous wing]

and, cw is not strong enough for crushers

[ripe obsidian]

EP is the mandatory meh keystone that all classes have.

[zealous wing]

even with all the buffs, crushers will not die to crystalline will alone

[long saddle]

I like all of zealot's keystones

[zealous wing]

i like marty, dont get the other two

[dusk timber]

zealot has pretty solid keystones

[radiant frigate]

what's the meh keystone for zealot (i want to say it is bp)

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot's most meh keystone is probably the crit one, but I don't play the class enough to comment intelligently

[long saddle]

vet I just don't focus target because I don't use it well

[radiant frigate]

bp is neat defensively and probably goes well with ds/knife

but at the same time

[dusk timber]

blazing piety is still a big chunk of crit chance and survivability

[radiant frigate]

+gorillion melee damage and attack speed also goes well with ds/knife

and it's not like the others are lacking in the defense department

[long saddle]

zealot has outs for guaranteed crits anyway with two of their abilities

[dusk timber]

ye but both are only for one hit

meanwhile +25% crit chance with extremely easy uptime is pretty good

also gives +10% crit chance to alies

[long saddle]

yeah I use it quite a bit

tho never the ally node

[pale prairie]

It’s how I did it it’s how Six did it and by god all the noobs that follow me will too

[ripe obsidian]

Rite of passage.

[zealous wing]

like MM, i make psykers BB most of its HP, not what they think is 50%

[pale prairie]

Used to be crazy high

[ripe obsidian]

90%

[cosmic cobalt]

consistently 55%

since you get crit on hitting bleeding enemy

guess what make enemy bleed?

crit

[dusk timber]

stepping on legos

https://tenor.com/view/death-by-lego-gif-23677466

[ripe obsidian]

Bad allergies and blowing their nose too much?

[jovial juniper]

That makes you bleed?

Damn

[pale prairie]

Seeing NSFW Hadron art?

[jovial juniper]

As if that exists

[ripe obsidian]

From my nose, yes.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/tampon-gif-8013399909673204583

[buoyant maple]

Peril boom is quite low damage

[ripe obsidian]

600 base, decreasing with distance

Is not great

[jovial juniper]

That's why you should put uncanny executor on your Deimos/Obscurus
Use special
Hit someone's head then explode

Self reminder to test if you lose Executor stacks after explosion because the boom hit the body

[zealous wing]

the explosion is also not a warp attack so you can use malefic momentum to boost it

[radiant frigate]

peak lethal proximity

[steep cedar]

Look at all these smart peoole using their thoughts

Meanwhile Im role playing as that one giy who whistles in guardians of the galaxy

Shoukd give me more nodes for that ability

Shits beautiful

[limber thistle]

I heard 600 which is like, 2/3 of a crusher or smthn? I don't remember where i read that tho or if they said what diff it was on

[ripe obsidian]

I wouldn't mind EP being stronger for Assail

[limber thistle]

I see

[ripe obsidian]

Crushers have like 6500 hp

[zealous wing]

does feel like yandu

[ripe obsidian]

Even on Malice, 600 damage (less due to ADMs) is less than 25% of a crusher's HP

[limber thistle]

it's not?? B-but it, it like, MASSIVELY buffs every blitz! Compared to... "faster cooldown" (warp charges, which i don't really understand since.. the ability cooldowns for psyker are already pretty quick), or... well okay Destiny is pretty solid IG

[zealous wing]

warp siphon gives base damage boost as well, and DD is insane, yeah

[ripe obsidian]

EP is okay. DD is probably one of the best keystones in the entire game, if not the best outright.

[zealous wing]

but in higher content you dont use blitz spam a lot

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Siphon is a big global damage boost and almost 50% shorter cooldowns.

[limber thistle]

maybe not on auric but i play Malice or sometimes Heresy (haven't... even unlocked Damnation on my psyker yet but... euhh... i don't even know if I wanna, lol!)

[limber thistle]

how is it mehh?!

[ripe obsidian]

Malice crusher has 2700 base HP.

[limber thistle]

50% faster cast on BR (on top of a +75% with the second BR upgrade), DOUBLE smite damage and... i forgor what it does for assail but i know it buffs damage and.. I think replenish speed?

i dunno man

yes I know im new and unskilled

this game is VERY complex

but like

i dunno man

that seems PRETTY freakin good

[zealous wing]

its meh because this only works on dreg seeds

[limber thistle]

on... what diff? cause i dont think they got that much on malice, kek

[limber thistle]

ya gotta do the whistling thing!

[ripe obsidian]

Brain Burst is not a good primary tool due to slow charge time and single target, even with EP. It is useful as a sidearm. Smite damage boost is basically pointless, b/c 2x 25 damage is still almost nothing. Assail for free is fine, I guess, and the damage boost is okay.

[limber thistle]

also fck yeah love Yondu!

[ripe obsidian]

...

Yes, on Malice.

[limber thistle]

honestly one of the coolest side characters they ever introduced imo

just

just SO much aura

loads of it

[ripe obsidian]

I literally posted the health chart twice.

[limber thistle]

SWIMMING in aura

absolute GIGAchad

https://tenor.com/view/mary-poppins-yondu-starlord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-13875380

[zealous wing]

its a fun meme stone

[limber thistle]

HES FCKIN MARY POPPINS WHAT MORE DO YA WANT FROM THE GUY?!

[zealous wing]

but this is more fun sometimes

[limber thistle]

huh, maybe Im misremembering what enemy it was, i forgor

[zealous wing]

movespeed go brr

[limber thistle]

i see u have your little status effects in the centre of your screen, uh... how come?

-# also like... what even do they mean

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3568035743

All enemy HP and info can be found in Kuli's guide. Kuli is always trustworthy.

[late sapphire]

Are you expecting 'rainbow wolfgirl from nevermore' to read?

[limber thistle]

I SAW IT

[zealous wing]

this is a crusher

[limber thistle]

I WAS DOING THE THING where I read back through the posts to catch up

so i was responding as i went down the line

[zealous wing]

its my buff bar, but with only the ones i want to know about

[limber thistle]

yes yes I am aware

[limber thistle]

i see

what is "Hit mass" by the way?

[ripe obsidian]

TL;DR: weapons have cleave, and it's compared against enemy hitmass to determine how many enemies you can hit per swing

[jovial juniper]

How THICC an enemy is

[marble crater]

Opposite of cleave

[rancid geyser]

is there a reason to go cd aura if im on scrier's gaze?

feels like the uptime is the same with or without it

[marble crater]

You have a team

[rancid geyser]

i be forgetting that

so it it worth for ME?!?!

[marble crater]

No idea

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on your crit chance without it. At 67% crit, you are guaranteed to crit every 2nd attack at most.

DT crits aren't truly random

[rancid geyser]

diff in crit with crit aura or no crit aura is 78.5% or 83.5%

would assume the next bracket is worth

[ripe obsidian]

The 0.5 actually doesn't matter

Crit chance is always rounded down

[jovial juniper]

Weak Aura
Strong Aura builds 50% CRIT chance and truly gamble on crits

[rancid geyser]

just trying to figure how much i'd value 2.5 less cd

it doesnt feel like it exists while im killing elites and specials

[ripe obsidian]

78%

Pseudo-random distribution

Crit chance starts at 71.8% and increases by 71.8% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±0.45 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 1.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 1st attack.

83%

Pseudo-random distribution

Crit chance starts at 79.5% and increases by 79.5% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±0.40 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 1.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 1st attack.

https://observablehq.com/@manuelblanc/pseudo-random-distribution

[rancid geyser]

only was wondering because ranged attacks have crit chains right?

melee not so much

[ripe obsidian]

72ish to 80ish percent chance of a crit on the first attack, guaranteed on the second attack either way

Some ranged weapons have crit chains, not all

I don't know the list of them tho

[rancid geyser]

EK staff y/n?

[ripe obsidian]

90% sure no

[jovial juniper]

Depends on the weapon

Iags have

Vigis have

Ogryn twinks have

I think the Brautos have, I'm not sure

[rancid geyser]

TY

opinions on EK Scriers Gaze: Warp Siphon or Disrupt Destiny?

still trying out both

[ripe obsidian]

DD for sure

[rancid geyser]

SOUL FLAME route or nah?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm still playing with that a little bit. Trying to figure out what I like more.

I think Perilous Combustion into Souldrinker into Empyric Shock is what I recommend right now

Since Lightning Speed got fixed/nerfed

Used to give 10% ranged attack speed as well

[viscid apex]

the aura this helmet gives is crazy

[ripe obsidian]

Something like this is what I have been trying