psyker-class

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/this-peak-is-this-peak-so-peak-peak-it's-just-so-peak-gif-1360442599844596686

[crisp ether]

We could give people a reason

To not run flame shriek

By making the other subnode actually impactful

🙀

[wind spruce]

this but actually

they can remove the TDR, TR and WS damage for it, idc

[sinful garnet]

Also ya pretty sure

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike should get infinite cleave like plasma

[ripe obsidian]

plasma does not have infinite cleave anymore

[radiant frigate]

what about the charged shots

didn't they say those remained unchanged

[verbal thistle]

watch me kill my teammate and then revive him with psyker powers

he did a flip

so 10/10 points

[round glade]

is the psyker spam ball animation cancel still a thing?

[barren arrow]

sir that's infinite toughness with no set duration

[barren arrow]

I run it with Surge, Blazing Spirit, and use True Aim to get guaranteed crits :)

Couple that with perilous combustion, wildfire, and venting shriek, and everything that's not a crusher or mauler goes bye-bye pretty quickly

On crit, both the direct damage and explosive radius proc 4 stacks of soulblaze, and that happens 2x because of surge. So everything that gets hit and also splashed gets an immediate 12 stacks since that's the blazing spirit cap, they tend to die and spread those stacks to the rest of the horde instantly since there's multiple enemies dying at max stacks

It is very silly

[radiant frigate]

lies and half-truths

non-melee blazing spirit caps at 6

[barren arrow]

nuh uh?

[radiant frigate]

yuh huh

[barren arrow]

Nuh uh!

[ripe obsidian]

As well it should be.

[ripe obsidian]

Caps at 6.

"Ranged critical hits apply stacks of Soulblaze (see values below). Can apply Soulblaze through shields. Can apply up to 6 max Soulblaze stacks on a target."

[barren arrow]

i installed a mod to see this

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-glorpshit-gif-8895203662174851858

should be on the tooltip :(

[ripe obsidian]

It should.

Fatshark strikes again

[barren arrow]

Still hits a ton, but now I'm wondering if melee can work for applying it to a crowd

[ripe obsidian]

Killing melee crits do not apply soulblaze

Well, neither do ranged

[barren arrow]

zamn

ah

I never noticed tbh

[ripe obsidian]

But voidstrike and voidblast have weak AoE outside of their epicenter

[barren arrow]

yeppers

[ripe obsidian]

So they apply in a larger radius

[barren arrow]

Sooo surge still does get to be useful, just not in the way I thought

Also surge is just good in general

But that's besides the point

[ripe obsidian]

Surge is very good

Blazing Spirit needs changes

[barren arrow]

idk about that

[ripe obsidian]

Should be 2 stacks of fire on hit and 4 on crit.

Especially on melee

Make it maybe worth using

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-smiling-day-dreaming-gif-36315944745528671

[ripe obsidian]

I wish Voidstrike's charge time was reduced

The grammar of that sentence feels wrong

Either way, Voidstrike takes too long to do less than the other staves

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/im-watching-you-i-got-my-eye-on-you-i-dream-of-genie-gif-9851546

[ripe obsidian]

I also wish for it to have a more unique LMB

[pale prairie]

I want it to be tied together. You use LMB a few times which charges the RMB then you can use it. Also it has infinite cleave

I mean if we are wishing

[ripe obsidian]

That would be interesting. Make Channeled Force worth using.

[pale prairie]

Just want it to be different from surge and different from inferno while having a bit of both

[viscid matrix]

Surge should be changed to a zap ⚡️

[pale prairie]

Amen! Destroy my frames

[ripe obsidian]

Surge RMB should get proper crit scaling.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-helluva-moxxie-facepalm-gif-13236205192486489936

[tiny cove]

Not bad for my first time doing this Maelstrom

Melee Psyker is so fucking fun

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah it is

[gilded radish]

Got waffles and eaten waffles

[gilded radish]

Now it is time to do it as a duo But without meta

[tiny cove]

Eh I will stick to what I have fun with

Probably start trying out havoc soon

Though that seems like something that is more fun with set groups. Haven't had any luck getting my friends into this game

[kind jay]

make friends who already play

and then kill forget the old ones

[zealous wing]

yes, do this. the metaless duos come when you can recite the tree from memory, and know what everything does, and are just, mega bored of or feel something is lacking for your playstyle in said meta builds

[zinc phoenix]

why is the "psyker in a bathrobe" so popular?

i see that goofy outfit all the time

[restive roost]

So uh.

What are the rewards for expeditions?

[restive roost]

The white one?

[zinc phoenix]

outfits no one will ever get

because it require 250 billion tech loots to get them fully

[restive roost]

The bathrobe you mean the one in the current rotation? The one with the blindfold and hoodie?

[zinc phoenix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1486248360720601158 this

its so common its practically clone wars tier

[radiant frigate]

should have more loyalist 6th warp knights

[restive roost]

Oh yeah, that was the one I had in mind. I see a lot of psykers wear that, I mean it's alright. Just not my favorite

But if they like it hey

[zinc phoenix]

well it looks pretty terrible with how stiff it is

[radiant frigate]

MORE

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1134219073568378902/1483845883023065168/image.png?ex=69c4a46b&is=69c352eb&hm=fcbf9bf22a4d7e7c82a5dea2b58a32c213c13db14779daf77b429642499304be&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=663&height=968

even though the update dyed my hair

[restive roost]

The one I'm seriously considering getting is this one

And that one with the funny baroque collar

I'm still waiting for that to go into rotation

[radiant frigate]

the rogue trader set i imagine?

[restive roost]

Hold on lemme dig for it in the steam forums

This

I'm wearing the rogue trader one, the red coat with the gold ebroidery

[radiant frigate]

big collar

[dusk timber]

Billar

[radiant frigate]

cog billar

[zinc phoenix]

21st > 6th

[radiant frigate]

what about 53rd

[zinc phoenix]

looks trashy imo

[radiant frigate]

unfortunate

[zinc phoenix]

i like the understated 21st look

[radiant frigate]

but not as unfortunate as the fact that you need to do havoc for the 53rd cosmetics

[zealous wing]

lol. lmao

[zinc phoenix]

homie you play wayyyyyy too much

[zealous wing]

loot goblin mode

[zinc phoenix]

altho i will say the 21st pants look terrible so i added in the white pants

[dusk timber]

Nah you play too little

[zinc phoenix]

but i feel like the beat up outfits better fit the tone of the game

[radiant frigate]

i have extracted with a grand total of 920 tech remnants

[dusk timber]

You gotta get your numbers up

[viral moth]

anyone on

need help w a penance

[radiant frigate]

is it malleus monstronum

[viral moth]

need a damage control

[zealous wing]

i think i can help in about half an hour/45m, i'll ping to ask if you still need it when i'm done helping this friend with their penances

[viral moth]

heard thanks

[zinc phoenix]

this is surprisingly effective in expeditions https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1625c39-8477-4607-bedc-899f8b47ce3a

enough melee (esp with KF) to be able to handle yourself well, empowered bb lets you clean up dangerous ranged threats efficiently, wall forecloses some angles for specials/gunfire and speeds up bbm and flurry/rending trauma opens space and cleans stuff up

[zealous wing]

inferno shriek also works really well

hilariously so

[zinc phoenix]

well 1) i hate burgatus and 2) if its a ranged map it kinda sucks ass

like the daytime ones you get mass gunner spam

but the night maps it works great

[zealous wing]

"if people end up with a loadout specifically for expeditions, we'll be happy"
the humble inferno staff:

[wind spruce]

Why do you have warp splitting?

[zealous wing]

its just funny

[zinc phoenix]

mostly for melee

on the off chance it gives me a little more cleave

i doubt its doing much with how low cleave oscurus is but 🤷‍♀️

[wind spruce]

But youre only meleeing for single target damage

Trauma kills the hordes

Also empathic evasion is useless with 12.5% crit

[zinc phoenix]

sometimes i go in for melee on the hordes to dump peril for toughness

i mean, youre not wrong that ee isnt very reliable

but i also dont see anything else i really want with those two

i could go immaterial/anticipation but thats kinda eh, i dont have the crit to sustain the mettle/timing option, mim does nothing for me, and none of the bottom row stuff i can reach is useful

[wind spruce]

Yeah fair, the build is so utterly lacks synergy theres not many good picks left (soz)

[zinc phoenix]

oh i totally admit its not some high quality build

[wind spruce]

Is new shield fun

[zinc phoenix]

thats why i was surprised it works pretty well in expedition

hmm

maybe i flex for left click

it doesnt work great with trauma but it could be fun

[zinc phoenix]

they made it easier for stuff to pass thru so its actually worse

like, burster and dogs seem to reliably burst thru now

[wind spruce]

🙁

Probably unintended

Might get fixed

[zinc phoenix]

oh also the cooldown nerf and size increase hurt

it goes down faster, it comes up less often

[wind spruce]

Shield is way more fun with warp siphon

[radiant frigate]

shield or bubble

[wind spruce]

Wall

[zinc phoenix]

i really like empower

[wraith sphinx]

that set's top has quickly become my favorite

[wind spruce]

Who do u think ur talking to kat

[zinc phoenix]

mixing melee with bb is fun

[wraith sphinx]

the combination of dark green and black is great

[radiant frigate]

the voices

[wind spruce]

Well the voices are offended u even asked

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-garn47-car-cat-death-gif-13407397251537098697

the voices are doing this to you tomorrow

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-screaming-gif-25279230

[wraith sphinx]

😎

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-weird-stare-big-eyes-gif-26186132

[dusk timber]

Cute

[wraith sphinx]

tyty

[zinc phoenix]

i wish theyd do something different with the special on the force swords

"you glow for one strike" is pretty boring

[royal falcon]

it's a pretty strong strike tbf

[zinc phoenix]

its just too slow in modern dt to be useful

if i sit there polishing my sword for 20s im gonna get domed

[wraith sphinx]

I'm polishing my shit rn

I'm unstable as fuck man I'm a psyker man

[wind spruce]

Uh so this blazing flurry trauma build genuinely fucks

With quell cancel you can cast for days even 30s into scriers

[zealous wing]

ready if you still need it

[wind spruce]

I actually cant believe how much this build just works

Feels better than leaning into warp unbound

And theres no reason you cant just run warp nexus like normal and literally permantly have 60+% crit

[zinc phoenix]

Is that an ultra low peril trauma?

But also high?

I am confused lmao

Because I see you took a bunch of peril cost reduction

[wind spruce]

Its not really a "i need to be at high peril" build

OwtW is the last point and can go elsewhere, but its still 20% TDR at 50% peril

And my peril is almost always 70%+ because im permantly in scriers

And casting constantly

[fresh pike]

The warp is talking to me man

[wind spruce]

Im begging you to try it. You can literally just exist at 30s+ scriers and cast trauma constantly while quelling about as much if less than any normal trauma build

[ripe obsidian]

How perilous

[ripe obsidian]

Why not move the point from ER to Warp Unbound?

Feels like an unnecessary limiting of toughness gen

[wind spruce]

Because that defeats the purpose

I need to be in scriers for the crit

And i want to sit at 30 stacks like a madman

You need the full -peril kit to maintain constant casting that deep

[ripe obsidian]

This build seems stressful to use.

[long saddle]

ye I don't get ppl that want to max SG duration

[wind spruce]

Tbh OwtW will probably end up in quietude bc what i dont like about this build, and about ainz's build, is that your only real toughness gen is soulstealer

[wind spruce]

Its really not though

[long saddle]

JaD + no warp unbound is a recipe for disaster imo

[wind spruce]

By the time your peril is rising at an even remotely difficult to manage rate you'll have scriers off cd

JaD generates nothing

I have -78% peril after multiplicative calcs are done

Your whole health bar is probably like 10% peril

Until you hit 30 stacks of scriers you literally cant hit max peril if you're quell tap cancelling

You've gotta trust the engine

I'm gonna sort out my recording software and optimize my potato to try and get a decent video happening next week

[rich spindle]

I imagine it’s not very bad with all the -peril nodes

[wind spruce]

Been a long time since i posted

[zinc phoenix]

Ima do it it looks funny 😂

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chasing-cars-joker-batman-gif-21630323

[obtuse swan]

no u cant, fgs doesnt count

if we got a moonveil itd be sick... lowkey a soulblaze scythe would be so sick too tho, or maybe a weapon that can trigger waves of brainburst for no peril cost

[obtuse swan]

they still have infinite cleave but literally nobody uses the charged shots... it just isn't as useful as being able to quickly pull it out and fire through a wall of poxwalkers then swap out to your sword before they can hit you

[weary hatch]

Anyone got good assail builds?

[zealous wing]

assail spam, or just as part of the build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1005f75-f2d5-4353-ad09-96218a14f7b0/adhd-mode-lol
for spam

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker
for assail as an addition to melee

[obtuse swan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a13cceff-5148-4ab1-bb92-1b2f245eda95/best-havoc-psyker-build-for-noobs
here is the best psyker build for new players

[zealous wing]

uh

i would go with not really tbh

i've had a very high success rate of moving people to auric with my berpsyker, its been thoroughly tested, which is why its in the build guide

[obtuse swan]

assail is gunpsyker rly

[obtuse swan]

what?

how can assail be the best thing for havoc?

it just pings off crushers lmao

im not saying my build is assail

[zealous wing]

FGS 3 to 1 shots them

assail is for malefic momentum, specials, etc

[obtuse swan]

its difficult to use though

much harder to use than my build

the best builds are ones everyone can use

[zealous wing]

bigly sword go bonk

slash

gun go brr into gunners

assail go brr at rager pack

doesnt get simpler

[pale prairie]

Nah I would disagree. Bubble inferno anyone can play but it is far worse compared to inferno shriek or even inferno SG when it comes to its principle role: damage and horde clear. And those builds not everyone can handle

Smyker literally anyone can play but I would say it’s far from best build especially at havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Do not use PotS with Inferno ahhhhhhhhhh

Also, asking new players to upkeep MM is foolish

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[ripe obsidian]

And enforcing the LMB spam Inferno build with Empyric Shock sucks.

[pale prairie]

It’s 10 seconds now though

[ripe obsidian]

LMB inferno sucks.

[pale prairie]

Hahahahahahahaha

[ripe obsidian]

Swapping to melee to upkeep MM is honestly a waste of time when using Inferno, imo. It has some niche uses, but it's generally pointless.

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah for sure

Inferno doesn’t really need MM it needs stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Also the build has BB without KF and no +Flak on the inferno stick

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[pale prairie]

Carapace is better let me up that 4 damage tick to 5

/s

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is such a trap node

[ripe obsidian]

I need to just make a list of all the talents in a vacuum and give my opinions on them. I don't like doing it, because talent ratings without context of weapons and whole builds are kinda meaningless

[zealous wing]

could be worth having the bottom of the explainations be like, "more ideal for pairing with xyz talent or xyz type weapons"

"anti-synergy with xyz talents"

that sort of thing

[pale prairie]

The rating system could be more about the NUMBER of weapons/builds that the talent works with. Low rating talents are ones that are very niche or just don’t work on builds at all

[ripe obsidian]

Both valid ideas.

[fathom adder]

It doesn't need to be so systematic, and I can imagine people getting confused by some talent having a low rating because it is essential for one build and useless for anything else. You could just say "S Tier for X Builds, useless otherwise" for such cases

[ripe obsidian]

This is why I have the talent ratings currently split into a per-build template state

Which I want to review and tweak soon, just based on my evolving opinions

I should also port the guide to Steam so it's more accessible

That just seems like a lot of work.

[obtuse swan]

pots?

why tf not?

are you actually insane?

thats an essential node for havoc

[zealous wing]

because 20% of nothing is nothing

[obtuse swan]

uncanny

[zealous wing]

its not +20% total rending, its +20% of whatever rending it has

and, no, its not even needed for uncanny

[dusk timber]

Wait what

The fuck

[jovial juniper]

If you have uncanny
You don't need pots

[obtuse swan]

it ??????

if u had pots this would have gone alot quicker

[obtuse swan]

they stack?????

[obtuse swan]

im not sure he has the right info

[zealous wing]

@ripe obsidian NERD HELP

[obtuse swan]

literally every meta player i know runs it

[jovial juniper]

Uncanny is all you need because uncanny goes past 100%

[zealous wing]

actual meta or perceived meta?

like, bubble inferno is a perceived meta

not an actual meta

[jovial juniper]

And any rending past 100% is whatever

Uncanny is all you need

[obtuse swan]

i linked a build

[maiden notch]

Anyone got effective smite build

[obtuse swan]

yeah ik bubble is not meta and hasnt been for awhile

[jovial juniper]

There, saved you a talent point

[obtuse swan]

nope

[jovial juniper]

[jovial juniper]

I do

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight is meta. bubble inferno is not

[jovial juniper]

Do you want Shriek or Scriers

[maiden notch]

any that goes practical with it

[obtuse swan]

this is mine https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a13cceff-5148-4ab1-bb92-1b2f245eda95/best-havoc-psyker-build-for-noobs

[obtuse swan]

bro im sorry idk what u mean maybe on normal difficulty

[zealous wing]

why dueling sword over force sword 9m range

[obtuse swan]

force sword is weak tho

[zinc phoenix]

this does look incredibly noob

[obtuse swan]

its pro

[zealous wing]

i got my first h40 clear on bubbleknight, on suggestion of dom with syllo and.. six? i think? maybe agent

[jovial juniper]

Agile Dueling Sword

Lmao

Lmfao

Loomoofao

[obtuse swan]

r u srs

[zealous wing]

[obtuse swan]

dont u know how good it is

[zinc phoenix]

no, i think you named it correctly

[zealous wing]

anything but

[ripe obsidian]

What

[obtuse swan]

i guarantee u it performs better than your force sword

[zealous wing]

pots good, force sword weak

[ripe obsidian]

Because it only affects Crushers for 90% of Warp attacks.

[zealous wing]

send me a clip of you vs 30 auric crushers

[zinc phoenix]

you guarantee this because you are noob?

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is good on Voidblast and Assail. Nothing else.

[zealous wing]

next he's gonna say FGS is a shitty weapon

bubbleknight also weak apparently

too weak for havoc

[jovial juniper]

This should be a good base to start
You still have 6 points left for flexing wherever you want

[ripe obsidian]

Man, I did bruh moment's wall meleeker build several times this past week and topped damage charts each time. FGS is ridiculous

[zinc phoenix]

infested on the sword. wild

[jovial juniper]

Yes I am
You just wasted a blessing slot on Agile
Lost Riposte/Precognition

[ripe obsidian]

I have a distinction between meta and strong in my guide. Meta, I think, is what the most people use. Strongest is what the skilled players use to highest effect

[maiden notch]

Got it, thanks

[ripe obsidian]

Infested and weakspot damage.

[jovial juniper]

You could probably invest in Just a Dream or one with the warp

Or both

[zinc phoenix]

holy moly

this is truly the ideal noob build

[jovial juniper]

Then you'd have 4 points left

[zinc phoenix]

theres no way someone would seriously make this and think it is good so this is clearly rage bait

[maiden notch]

Im trying to main Brain Rapture, due no one likes and isnt strategic to use smite (which i thought it was), i just want to have fun till i reach 30

[ripe obsidian]

Friend, countrypsyker, lend me your ears: rending and brittleness hardcap at 100%. Even 5 stacks of uncanny does nothing useful over 4 stacks.

[obtuse swan]

its for crushers yes

[zealous wing]

also assail is weak because its not anticrusher

[ripe obsidian]

I have smite builds under Other Builds in the guide. Read the intro to smite, too.

[obtuse swan]

please look at the build rather than my shit naming

[zealous wing]

he is lol

[ripe obsidian]

Why are you using an Inferno staff to kill crushers.

[obtuse swan]

there is objectively no way to say its a bad build bc its the OPTIMAL META

[obtuse swan]

i use the sword

[zealous wing]

deimos is for crushers, or the toothpick

then

then why pots!?

[obtuse swan]

u can kill armour packs with the inferno staff

[ripe obsidian]

PotS doesn't affect your sword, for one.

[zinc phoenix]

with the caveat that you really shouldnt do this, heres a build i use with BB. it will let you do a lot of BBing https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1625c39-8477-4607-bedc-899f8b47ce3a there are MANY better builds to try so go check the pins. but it is indeed exactly what you want and will work fine in auric

[obtuse swan]

wtf r u guys talking about this for just go and run my build and ull see what im tlaking about

[ripe obsidian]

And Uncanny makes PotS irrelevant, because it hardcaps

[obtuse swan]

its literally so strong and ur just gonna ignore the obvious truth and talk shit here

[zinc phoenix]

i did, and it gave me deep certainty that you are either trolling or a noob

[maiden notch]

aye, thanks

[obtuse swan]

i could send u gameplay clips but im not on my ps5

[obtuse swan]

tmrw I will play a game w u and show u how wrong u are lol

[ripe obsidian]

My guy, I have built a build guide with like 50+ builds, more than half I have personally used to clear H40. Your build works, I am sure, but it isn't anything like optimal. It's got a lot of poor choices.

[obtuse swan]

u will be like oh damn yeah this guy was right idk why i was so sure of myself

[zinc phoenix]

pass, i have paint to watch dry

[dusk timber]

Something something dunning krueger

[obtuse swan]

what?

what choices

please send me a build thats more optimal

[obtuse swan]

because there literally isnt one, the key nodes i took are the core of the build there ssome room for preference ig

i am confident bc i have like 400+ hours in psyekr

[ripe obsidian]

Infested on Dueling sword, weakspot on Dueling Sword, no +flak on inferno, picking PotS on inferno, not picking wildfire, picking Empyric Shock

Etc, etc

[obtuse swan]

oh

[ripe obsidian]

Lots of non-optimal choices.

[obtuse swan]

wildfire is just worse spontaneous combustion

[zinc phoenix]

this is rage bait

[obtuse swan]

infested is for poxwalkers dogs and beasts

[ripe obsidian]

Pfffffffft

[obtuse swan]

i also said u can take carapace

[dusk timber]

Lmao weakspot perk

[obtuse swan]

i have infested/flak/unyielding/cara on sword and unyielding/flak on staff

[ripe obsidian]

Beasts of nurgle are unyielding, ya goof

[obtuse swan]

Oh

well armour then

infested helps w poxwalkers on 40

[zealous wing]

...

[obtuse swan]

there really isnt a better pick

ur job is to keep poxwalkers dead

[zinc phoenix]

i mean i do have serious pain in my heart every time i use assail and a crusher blob turns up

[zealous wing]

yknow what else helps with poxxers

inferno

[ripe obsidian]

Why are you meleeing poxwalkers when you have inferno

[obtuse swan]

yeah

inferno dmg

u increase it w sword

[zealous wing]

...

wasted time

[ripe obsidian]

Again, your build might work for you, but it's not optimal.

[zinc phoenix]

woah woah woah woah woah you mean you should use UR STICK to BURN the HERETICS?!?!?! that sounds like heretical thinking

[obtuse swan]

if u have ur sword out u get the infested buff when ur procing maleific momentum

u just didnt understand my build

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[obtuse swan]

mm is one of the few nodes that will increase soulblaze damage

[zealous wing]

i wanna play kinda

[zinc phoenix]

truly no one can comprehend the depths of your mind

[zealous wing]

it'd be funny

[obtuse swan]

tips fedora

[zealous wing]

either for you, or for me

[jovial juniper]

You could defend anything
Except infested on your melee

Like c'mon man

https://tenor.com/view/china-gif-21468873

[obtuse swan]

i am enlightened, not by some phony corpse emperor, but by the blissful euphoria of my own tzeentchian inner fire.

https://tenor.com/view/vendetta-hats-off-fat-gif-11654529

[obtuse swan]

...and into the trash it goes!

[zealous wing]

kinetic flayer? kekw

[jovial juniper]

If you wanted to keep poxxers dead with your melee you'd run anything but Dueling Sword

[zealous wing]

found the dumbass

[jovial juniper]

Literally one of the worst horde performances in the game

[obtuse swan]

its a cool node in mortis but useless in normal, mm is better

[zealous wing]

kinetic flayer bad yall

free damage every 12s

bad

[obtuse swan]

ur build is an objectively worse version of mine btw

[obtuse swan]

its 250 dmg

[zealous wing]

KMALKSCNM

BRUH

[obtuse swan]

mm is like 25%

[zealous wing]

its like 3k

[obtuse swan]

empyric shock increases your soulblaze dmg

mm does too

u have no damage buffs for ur staff

wildfire is useless

[zealous wing]

no it isnt

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-doe-eating-deer-eating-popcorn-funny-gif-4621167703268332056

[obtuse swan]

ur not doing anything that i cant w that build. and im doing more than u can

[verbal thistle]

am bored and this is funny

[ripe obsidian]

Guy is trolling or stupid. It's not worth the effort of arguing.

[verbal thistle]

its the internet it doesnt matter

[obtuse swan]

im sorry but im right and u guys just dont understand the game

[verbal thistle]

True

[obtuse swan]

ye

[verbal thistle]

I only play cs

[jovial juniper]

True

[zealous wing]

damn.

[jovial juniper]

In fact

[zealous wing]

i dont understand after 3k hours

shame

[obtuse swan]

and u have one of the worst builds

[zealous wing]

kekw

sucks to suck i guess. guh bye

[obtuse swan]

brooo im sorry but

i can inv u to a server for dt where ppl will explain why ur wrong if u want

i dont have time but i can play a game w u to prove im right sometime

[jovial juniper]

Both of y'all builds trash because it wasn't made by me

[zinc phoenix]

alright im tryin it. are there any weird things youre doing with the weapons i should know about?

[ripe obsidian]

Any build not given my personal seal of approval is treason, for I am your king.

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-king-didnt-vote-gif-8051023

[obtuse swan]

im convinced the people who are shitting on my build have never left damnation and struggle to get past 20 on havoc without carry

[ripe obsidian]

My name is Six because I can't get past Havoc 6.

[dusk timber]

Embed fail

[jovial juniper]

I'm already havoc forged

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-air-for-some-time-now-that's-why-i'm-confused-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-14530463061911690734

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️

[mental rock]

Infested on sword and this guy trying to talk shit LMAO

[zinc phoenix]

now excuse me i have more memeing to do

[jovial juniper]

Also

Whatever server you mentioned earlier

Leave it

[ripe obsidian]

:<

[jovial juniper]

They aren't teaching you shit

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-king-didnt-vote-gif-8051023

[jovial juniper]

[zinc phoenix]

what the fuck it actually does work LMAO

youre just eternally in SG spamming staff

[pale prairie]

I get older and the trolls just keep trolling

[ripe obsidian]

God damn it, do I have to try this now?

Do I have to qq cancel to make it work?

[thorn cedar]

it helps

[zinc phoenix]

i recommend it lol. theres definitely room for improvement but its a wild take thats fun and actually pretty decent

i havent been doing any crazy tech or abusing uncanny so other people will get better results

i think it'll probably suck ass in havoc tho, the peril increase will counter the chief advantage of the build -- sitting in SG forever

and the lack of reliable warp charge generation will hurt you even more there

[ripe obsidian]

Bleh, I don't wanna learn a new skill

[zinc phoenix]

fair and reasonable

[wind spruce]

VINDICATION!

[thorn cedar]

THEN LANGUISH IN INFERIORITY

[wind spruce]

I cooked hard with this one y'all

[wind spruce]

No. Quell cancelling is more relevant

[wind spruce]

You can just take IFR. Removing it was a true heresy move

[marble crater]

Too bad it has KF and as we learned earlier that means the build is garbage

[thorn cedar]

this is true

[wind spruce]

TRUE

[ripe obsidian]

I thought havoc just slowed vent speed, not increased peril gen?

[wind spruce]

Put assail into the build

They'll only cost 2 per cast lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Is why tick quelling is so important

[zinc phoenix]

think id change it to this

[zinc phoenix]

youd know more than me, i am very much a vibes guy not a numbers guy

all i know is peril mgmt is more of a pain in havoc

[wind spruce]

It take vulnerable minds off before perfect timing

5% more for limited targets?

[zinc phoenix]

well if theres perfect timing then theres enough crit to run EE

so honesty id do that

[wind spruce]

And yeah quietude is nice to have

No not remotely

Perfect timing is 8s duration

Just a touch different

[zinc phoenix]

well im gonna try that. maybe soulstealer instead of quell but i think youre doing enough quell constantly that quietude is probs better

[wind spruce]

Lmk how it feels

I just reckon EEs strength isnt occasionally avoiding a random stray shot every now and then, but having relatively reliable immunity if youre infernoing/shooting/assail spamming, etc

[ripe obsidian]

I've been running blazing trauma + Shriek without EE, because quietude + Warp Ghost are so much toughness regen. But with ER put into play, toughness gen is cut hard.

I guess it depends on crit rate and charge amount on the staff

~40% with low to middling charges on blazing trauma had like 20% EE combat uptime, which is not great.

Versus Inferno or Surge Surge, which I think is regularly 40% uptime or higher

[zinc phoenix]

i think the uptime will be meh for sure

but i figure i get more from meh uptime on it giving me a sec to get out of dodge than from soulsteaer

i could be wrong tho

[spice aurora]

EE for me is useless like 95% of gameplay but 5% of it, enables you to do stupid shit

https://youtu.be/KzI0TbhufN8?t=344&si=Y9VWMy5j9qWp7T0t

[ripe obsidian]

I'm curious how much toughness Quietude will generate when you have like -80% peril gen

[spice aurora]

After 5:30 is stupid shit

If anyone curious on what goofiness EE enables

[ripe obsidian]

It's only 2:46. I don't want to wait 3 hours to be stupid.

[spice aurora]

5 hrs for me, 12:46 gang where you at

[ripe obsidian]

Silly west coaster (get me out of this timezone please)

[spice aurora]

I’m sad with my california weather with my snow top mountain an hour north and my sunny beach just to the west 😐

[zinc phoenix]

yeah ok soulstealer + quietude is better

[frail oar]

You are blessed. California has so many irl biomes.

Large forests desert shores mountains ocean cliffs

[ripe obsidian]

I want to go back to the northeast

Texas is hell.

Give me back snow and mountains and rain and coast

Instead of heat and stunted trees and no rain for months at a time

[spice aurora]

Yee I’m tryna go to death valley for some dark skies and bring muh telescope 🔭

[wind spruce]

Its cut by exactly 24% compared to ghost

And its 95% of base

Not game breaking

[ripe obsidian]

WG + Quietude, without ER, feels better to me than ER + EE. I feel like I survive a lot more. WG does mitigate most of ER's effects, but it's still noticeable imo, especially when in situations where I would need EE or fast toughness gen

So yeah, I agree that it's not a lot mathematically

But that extra 25% does add up

[wind spruce]

You're not wrong

[ripe obsidian]

Or 30%, I guess.

[wind spruce]

Ainz only takes soulstealer so quietude should make up the difference

[ripe obsidian]

I'll try to remember to give this build a shot tonight.

I'll maybe try QQ canceling, but it's something I struggled a lot to time in the past

Do you have the show crit chance mod?

If so, can you tell me the crit chance you have when in and when not in SG?

I think the staff is 12.5% base, 5% from Souldrinker, and 5% from the crit aura, then 20% from SG?

[wind spruce]

47.5% with sg and souldrinker

[ripe obsidian]

I'm missing something somewhere

[wind spruce]

But you shouldnt ever not be in sg

[ripe obsidian]

5% crit on staff?

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I have a section on crit chances in the build guide

[wind spruce]

7.5 base, 5 crit node, 5 aura, 5 soulddrinker and 5 staff perk is 27.5%

[ripe obsidian]

The short summary is:

The most meaningful increases are from 32.5% to 37.5% and from 42.5% to 47.5%.
In the former, the likelihood of a crit inches from every 3 attacks to every 2, and the maximum number of attacks between critical hits goes from 7 to 5.
At 36%, you’re still more likely to crit every 3 attacks, so 37% is the breakpoint.
In the latter, your guaranteed crit goes from every 4th attack to every 3rd.

But there are charts and data

At 42.5% crit chance, you have a ~5% chance to have a crit on your 4th attack instead of guaranteed on the 3rd, I believe.

The wording from the site is a little strange

"47.5% crit chance:

Crit chance starts at 27.0% and increases by 27.0% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±0.88 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 3.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 2nd attack. 

"

I might honestly swap to a crit % perk on my inferno build, as it's 32.5% crit chance when under 80% peril. I need a mod that tracks my average peril or something.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-here-cat-run-run-meme-cute-gif-15224979299218469955

[ripe obsidian]

This is admittedly an old uptime chart, so I would need to test it again, but if I'm spending only 40% of the time at 4 stacks od Warp Nexus, it would probably be a significant benefit to hop to the 5% crit aura or a 5% crit perk on my staff.

[tawny crest]

any tips for using the EK staff I tried using it with Venting Shriek and force great sword and it felt sort of weird

[kind jay]

put surge/warp nexus on it and spam left click, or put nexus/warp flurry on it and spam (charged) right click

or be a real chad and spam alt fire and melee with it

[jovial juniper]

Max height
Look slightly above the elite/specialist in a ground

With M2

With M1 build just hit heads

[tawny crest]

Yeah i have the right click build but it felt very weak or maybe its just me

[tawny crest]

Might be the solution I looked for

[ripe obsidian]

Use the LMB of the staff, with Surge + Nexus, for picking off targets out of melee range. Prioritize specials and elites, except for Crushers. Headshots do extremely high damage due to modifiers. The LMB also has a goofy high stagger and suppression rate, so most enemies hit will stop moving or shooting.

Use Shriek for horde clear and desperation stagger when enemies get close. 6 stacks of soulblaze (85%ish or higher peril) will wipe pretty much any trash horde.

Sword is for bosses, crushers, specials that get too close, and anything else you want to burst down with big chonky stabs. It can also perform well enough for horde clear if needed.

[tawny crest]

When should I use RMB?

[jovial juniper]

Something something elites/specialists have taller hitbox
Works with EK, Assail M2, brain burst

Zealot dash

[kind jay]

ek rmb has a lot of use cases. crushers are the obvious one, it shreks carapace. itll open up bulwarks, and just straight up kill a lot of non ogryn things. if you have stacks of disrupt destiny the damage gets pretty nasty

[ripe obsidian]

A single tick of quell, with 60% charge rate as the dump for an LMB EK, should allow you to cast 3 LMBs, I believe

[ripe obsidian]

To open Bulwarks, stun crushers, and get guaranteed hits on enemies that won't hold still (like hounds)

RMB is a, "Stop moving and die" button

[jovial juniper]

Watchout for bursters

You might end up killing it

And your teammates with it

Definitely not speaking from experience

[limber heath]

Their fault for being in a mission with me I played perfectly

[tawny crest]

Ofc it hasnt happened to me yet🥲

[kind jay]

if the team is in the way of a burster that i rmb'd and happened to push their way, thats def their fault and absolutely not mine at all

[ripe obsidian]

You are a Psyker using EK, and therefore perfect.

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot count how many times my dog has pounced on a mauler or something near me and ended up knocking the burster I just pushed back into me.

[limber heath]

Coming back from 2y hiatus so needing to revamp literally everything my whole talent tree and inventory was red !

[ripe obsidian]

Dog is traitorous

[limber heath]

On every class

[ripe obsidian]

Friend, countrypsyker, lend me your eyes

Look ye upon the pins

And the build bonanza

[limber heath]

Oh yeah I have been

[ripe obsidian]

I made it just for you

[limber heath]

Right now I'm just levelling arbi and hives um

Since I'm trying to indoctrinate some friends and need a non lvl 30 character

[kind jay]

thats cause dog joined nurgle. he did a good job!

i do sometimes miss when flayer worked on bursters. im definitely not alone on that one. for sure.

[jovial juniper]

Push Attack exploding burster was hilarious

Ngl

[kind jay]

right? and sometimes they ignore it. i might as well just have blown it up anyways and gone out on my own terms!

[ripe obsidian]

Bursters are very rude

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-quote-gif-18791245

[pale prairie]

Six single-handedly upholding psyker supremacy

[pale prairie]

One of the hardest adjustments for me was not having the psyker super push

[ripe obsidian]

We have it again, tho

We are free of our shackles

The rudeness of bursters is mostly them ignoring pushes

[pale prairie]

True

I meant when I am not psyker

Ogryn push is pretty good though

[zinc phoenix]

after a couple more games with the weird sg trauma thing i have to say... i just like playing my meme bb build more 😂

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuki-soma-soma-kazuki-soma-judgment-lost-judgment-gif-13109642413432659965

[ripe obsidian]

Losing the CDR aura adds 1.1 seconds to Shriek. Hm.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-fall-gif-18148860

[ripe obsidian]

I am not sure if it's worth the improved crit chance. Plus, I think the CDR aura benefits allies more on the whole.

[wind wind]

God, i love this class.... One mistake and youre dead....🫠

Thats one way to keep cortisol and blood pressure up

[deft stump]

I mean, scum is the same.

Heck, vet can be, depending on situation.

[wind wind]

Although tbf, the mk8 blaze force greatsword and the melee nodes plus gaze make you pretty survivable

[wind wind]

True, but hes a little nimbler and the has slippery customer which is my most favorite scum node. Because i hate that regular sliding doesnt Count as dodging normally ... The amount of crushers that got me despite having already slid away

[wind wind]

Vet without shout feels naked

[deft stump]

Thus, can be the same in... One mistake and blep.

[wind wind]

Yeah, but i feel i regen toughness easier passively (although that may just be personal bias since i like playing vet more and i have actually bothered to read and understand his talent tree )

Psykers talent tree is still an enigma to me. I just rip builds off of this server and entrust myself to the emperor 🫠

[deft stump]

Oh. I read them all to make my own builds.

[wind wind]

I havent 🤣

I understand vets tree pretty well. I have a medium understanding of ogryn and arbites. I know the essentials about the hivescum. I know fucking NOTHING about psyker and zealot

[ripe obsidian]

I will read the talents for you

[wind wind]

Thats very sweet of you. Can you do my psyker weeklies and matches for me aswell?

I just read a random node for shits an giggles... Wth is the utility behind crystaline will? Seems like a training wheels/meme node to me?

[wind spruce]

How did you calculate that

[wind wind]

That makes me think.... 3 wounds curios and crystaline will....

Suicide bomber build .... 🤔🫠

[kind jay]

probably used math

like a nerd

[limber heath]

Impressive build guide sir there really is something for everyone

I assume it's not a coincidence that assail isn't used in havoc builds? Havoc wasn't a thing when I stopped playing so I haven't dipped my dogs in yet

[ripe obsidian]

30 seconds base CDR
0.9 multiplier from aura
0.88 multiplier from curios
0.55 multiplier from WS applied after previous two.
1.5x multiplier from PA

So

((30 * 0.78) * 0.55) / 1.5 = 8.58 seconds

((30 * 0.88) * 0.55 / 1.5 = 9.68 seconds

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you. I have put a lot of work into it.

As for Assail, it's good on melee builds, and I have had it recommended to me for LMB EK builds. It will still kill trash mobs effectively, and it staggers gunners and Dreg ragers. Kinetic Flayer is just so much easier to use, and provides a massive passive damage boost (10-12% total damage in a Havoc match for me) against the most dangerous targets, which can cause chain reaction Perilous Combustion

But on things like Inferno or Voidblast, it doesn't often make sense to use Assail instead of your staff

Assail is best used as an augment for single/low target weapons or weapons that struggle at medium ranges

So Assail is pretty common when using melee, as it's a quick cast and will stagger enemies, particularly spread out shooters

And on some LMB EK builds for the same reason

I still prefer Kinetic Flayer on both, but Assail is not a bad choice.

[wind wind]

So much assail propaganda... We all know the only one and true blitz is SMITE...

UNLIMITED POWEEERRR ⚡⚡⚡⚡

[pale prairie]

Don’t forget it helps build stacks on other talents like damage stacking from crits, malefic momentum, and is damn powerful at warp unbound levels of peril and SG stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, you are right. Forgot to mention that

Assail is king of maintaining Malefic Momentum

[pale prairie]

I guess technically it helps keep souldrinker up but I agree BB KF is just so much better

Never stop flaming

[pale prairie]

And it’s not bad for DD stacking

[wind wind]

Would y'all say empyric resolve is necessary for staff builds? I feel like especially void blast staff and electrokinetic force staff could really use it

[pale prairie]

I like it on trauma and EK BUT you can survive without it

[ripe obsidian]

Not at all necessary

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t like it at all, I’d rather have the toughness on most builds

[ripe obsidian]

I do not use ER on EK or Voidblast

[wind wind]

Huh. I personally hate constant quelling . But i guess halfed toughness regen is a pretty steep price

[ripe obsidian]

-30% toughness regen, but it is significant

Have you done much tap quelling?

Makes it much easier and faster

[zinc phoenix]

If you quell just a little bit after casts you never really have peril issues

[ripe obsidian]

Usually 1 tap is enough for an appropriately charged RMB

Or, I think, 3 LMBs

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly the biggest source of booms for me is getting tagged when high peril while using just a dream and then the cast completes 😂

[wind wind]

No, thats something i would need to practise

Also, whats the fucking deal with crystaline will? Seems like a meme node to me #suicidebomber

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[pale prairie]

They were scared to provide a real useful node as it would tip psyker to far into beyond OP. So at the behest of Path (probably) they included a joke talent

[wind wind]

I wouldnt be surprised If that was true

That node reads like a bad joke

Also also, i just had an Idea....

Scriers gaze plus electrokinetic force staff plus empyric resolve (last part optional)

Worth it? Viable? Good idea?

Ive never used a staff with scriers gaze before. Usually only use melee or gun

[ripe obsidian]

Remove ER and yes

Look at the Surge Surge builds in the Bonanza. I should have a couple. EK + SG allows you to pewpew forever

While being basically immortal

[wind wind]

Whats Bonanza?

[pale prairie]

It’s pretty fun youll just have to quell every few shots. I do it all the time. Then get warp unbound and go crazy

[wind wind]

Because you kill soo much with it?

[wind wind]

Now i gotta read force unbound... Fetches glasses

[pale prairie]

Six is trying to keep Psyker better than other classes so you consolidated good builds and explanations into a pin document called BONANZA

[pale prairie]

BASICALLY TEN SECONDS OF FREE CASTING AT MAX PERIL

[wind wind]

Dayum.

[pale prairie]

WITH ALL THE PRECISION BONUS FROM SG

[wind wind]

Ah. Ok. Will check pins.

[long wharf]

is there a mod that lets you start a private mission with just bots?

[limber heath]

Thx for detailed explanation. Assail is fun to watch the needles fly around lol, brain bust is satisfying tho. Force GS is new tho and I need to try it, same with relic blade on zealot, so maybe I'll pair them

[pale prairie]

It helps with explaining some of the actual mechanics and build decisions. Also has a lot of fun silly meme builds if you are bored

[wind wind]

Also before i look, is reality anchor a good node for EK force staff and SG? Since it reduces peril generated while in SG?

[ripe obsidian]

It's my build guide in the pins here.

[wind wind]

Will check it out. Thx vry mch

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help. Both Kinetic Flayer and Assail are very viable with the Force Greatsword

[pale prairie]

I honestly don’t get it because I really want that extra precognition bonus on warp unbound

[wind wind]

Does precognition trigger even If you havent activated SG yet?

Did i read this right?

[pale prairie]

It activates when you activate SG then lingers 10s after

[wind spruce]

Oh i didnt know seers and curio cdr were additive

Edit; i mean that they stack together before being multiplicatively applied to cd

[wind wind]

Is that extra finesse damage important to an EK staff?

[pale prairie]

Finesse is weakspot and crit damage

So yeah scales well on LMB EK

[wind wind]

Ah yes. Ok. But the alt fire of EK never counts as a headshot though, or does it?

Since thats not where the animation of the flash goes

Afaik the attack always hits the torso

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Then Warp Siphon is multiplicative. Or it applies after. I think the math is the same regardless.

[wind spruce]

Its pretty close to the same regardless

[ripe obsidian]

Alt fire on EK doesn't headshot and has broken crit scaling. Scales too low, I mean, because of a coding error.

[pale prairie]

Very sad

[ripe obsidian]

It's something like 20-30% less damage on a crit than it should be

[pale prairie]

Look what they need to do to keep us under control

[wind wind]

So ek wouldnt benefit too much from warp unbound then?

[wind spruce]

30*0.33=9.99

Compared to 9.68

[pale prairie]

It does because you are at max peril for 10 sec with a crit bonus damage buff in addition to all the good stuff from max peril

[wind wind]

Although i guess If you ran SG with EK staff and a sword with high cleave you could still get some use out of precognition

[pale prairie]

So warp rider, one with the warp, warp nexus

Warp splicing

Just spamming the LMB on a staff that gets good crit damage bonus (not on RMB of course)

[wind wind]

That makes me think... EK staff with Catachan Devils claw and that peril parry node.... Worth it? 🤔

[pale prairie]

Along with surge increasing the number of projectiles

[wind wind]

Lmb? Single fire?

The blue balls?

[pale prairie]

Yeah

Left click

(Left mouse button)

[wind wind]

Ah ok

Linksklick. Got it

[pale prairie]

And if you kill enough elites your cooldow will be such that you’ll be able to do SG pretty soon after the 10sec of no exploding ends

Even sooner if you have ability cooldown regen on relics

[ripe obsidian]

Probably. Dclaw is a cool melee weapon if you're good at parrying

[wind wind]

So the idea is pop SC and then lmb with ek staff, occ tap quelling?

[pale prairie]

Yep and then once you hit max peril just spam left click for 10 sec. Helps to have a mod for a better buff bar or some way to alert you unless you are a god of internal clock

[ripe obsidian]

Try to keep SG up as long as possible with careful quelling when you have time and space, that way you get the best damage modifier (and shorter actual CD), but it's okay to also just pop SG and go wild

Mod is called Warp Unbound Timer, I believe

[pale prairie]

The longer you maintain SG being up the better your final bonus from precog will be

[wind wind]

Is it also okay to occ use rmb sometimes or is this staff so useless that you use lmb only?

[pale prairie]

Right click is still good for staggering enemies and opening bulwark shields, pushing bursters

It will do decent damage but most builds that focus on it do different blessings so you can cast faster

[wind wind]

Ah ok. Also good at killing crushers? Especially with Penetration of the soul?

[zinc phoenix]

Not at all

[pale prairie]

Ehhhhh

[wind spruce]

I also have an EK build that runs high peril resist and transfer peril for infinite casting while in scriers

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-and-friends-thomas-angry-mad-not-happy-gif-9353522267382470172

[wind spruce]

Its so memey

[wind wind]

So EK with SG and ER AND Reality anchor?

[wind spruce]

Not reality anchor

[wind wind]

Thomas hasnt seen my smite build yet 😜

[wind spruce]

You want the finesse from scriers

[pale prairie]

Pots is not worth it and a bit of a point tax for what you are building with regards to EK. Carapace you can kill with enough shots to the face or lightning charges but it might be best to leave them to Allie’s or pull out your melee can opener

[zinc phoenix]

Chainaxe gonna give it to ya

[ripe obsidian]

RMB is more useful for stun than damage, such as Kriger said, but it can be helpful to lock down a hound or trapper or bomber that's getting away or moving erratically

[long wharf]

all I want to do is finish these damn mission penances for my hive scum

[pale prairie]

My favorite way to save idiots from bursters

[zinc phoenix]

Most valuable feature of zap stick is burster juggling

[long wharf]

turns out, expeditions that you rush extraction are the fastest thing you can do

[wind wind]

I was planning on using a devils claw or a heavy sword with that build. Aint ever gonna crack carapace with that... FUCKING plastic spoon

[zinc phoenix]

You can juggle bursters into smiters, it’s great

One time the smiter noticed and started pushing it back so that was pretty funny

[wind wind]

Makes sense. Noted

[ripe obsidian]

I have ADMs in the guide as well. EK already has 90% Carapace ADM on RMB. PotS does not help in any meaningful way.

[pale prairie]

Then yeah best bet is reposition and you can kill them with enough blue balls to the face

Lightning shoot to stagger and juggle.

It’s a good time to enter SG for more toughness damage reduction and high crit chance to help burst them down

[pale prairie]

Then arbites dog enters and pushes it onto you

[wind wind]

Thats about the only thing i use Smite for. Pushing specials. Or enabling rescues for downed teammates in hordes/crusher/ragerpacks. If my dumbass teammates pick up on it.... Cant tell you how many times i froze the tide around a downed teammates so the remaining two guys on the Team could get him/her up only for the two doofuses to do anything BUT that

[wind wind]

X gon give it to ya earworm triggered. Thx

[pale prairie]

Regarding blitzes and crushers actually, grabbing BB with kinetic flayer and perilous combustion can help with armor. Just focus down a couple and the fire should deal with them. (Also helps with EK’S weakness into hordes

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[wind wind]

[pale prairie]

The joy of kinetic flayer is you spamming blue balls at a crusher only for a lightning bolt to come down and execute them

[wind wind]

I am also guessing true aim is a must on SG EK staff lmb spam builds, right?

[pale prairie]

If you are going parry route. Not necessarily

It’s nice but not crazy good

[wind wind]

Ive heared fierce discussions in the community about KF

And the burster problem

[pale prairie]

It’s been solved! The burster problem

[wind wind]

Good to know

That was the biggest draw back that the self proclaimed meta YouTubers constantly warned about

In that case kf seems usefull

[pale prairie]

Yeah they shouldn’t be targeted anymore

[pale prairie]

They upped BB damage and slightly lowered the cooldown around the time they fixed the buster targeting

[wind wind]

Seems a bit micro managy. Melee kill, swapp, ranged attack, swapp. Thats usually too much for me. I only swap weapons If i have to #lazy

Thats why i love Automatic rifles so much in the game. Just rmb until the gun is empty... And that is also why i have died to the humble poxwalker more than to any other enemy

[ripe obsidian]

I never take it

It's redundant

[wind wind]

Also, what does warpghost do?

[ripe obsidian]

You're gonna have like 70% crit chance anyway, and 67% is the breakpoint for a guaranteed crit every 2nd attack at most.

[wind wind]

Ah ok

Is warp ghost mandatory for ek staff sg build?

Or solidity?

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Ghost is my favorite talent, ha. Or one of my favorites

+25% toughness from all sources, +2 stamina, and your passive peril loss is basically gone

[rich spindle]

Anything that gives you toughness back, gives you more

Very op

[wind wind]

Also seems like immaterial focus has good synergy with precognition/SG. Did i conclude that right?

[wind wind]

Does passive peril loss not count as passive quelling?

So losing peril without doing anything doesnt provide any benefits?

[ripe obsidian]

Losing peril is bad. High peril = crit chance, toughness damage reduction, and raw damage

[rich spindle]

It gives you all the same benefits manual quelling would, it’s just usually better to stay at high peril

[ripe obsidian]

So not losing peril passively is very nice.

[wind wind]

Ah ok. Also, empyric shock seems mandatory on a lmb spam ek staff sg build.

[thorn cedar]

I love Warp Ghost but more and more I take it less.

[wind wind]

Aswell as channeled force

[rich spindle]

I don’t think channel force is worth the effort of maintaining in combat

[zinc phoenix]

Warp ghost is so hard to say no to so I always say yes

[thorn cedar]

Channeled Force is nice but its placement is not.

[wind wind]

Aight imma have to go to bed. I will completley overhaul my ek staff build tmr. Until then, there are pictures of my old ek staff so Thomas the Train can get a few more nightmares

GN

[ripe obsidian]

Not mandatory. Solid pick tho. I use Empyric Shock on my EK DD build, not on the Warp Siphon one.

[thorn cedar]

Idk my thing with warp ghost is that i have already spent like two years maintaining my peril at the redline without exploding

[ripe obsidian]

On SG + DD, definitely should pick it up

[thorn cedar]

i love that it gives two stamina for sure

[ripe obsidian]

But I don't use WS without Shriek

[thorn cedar]

in almost all cases i prefer to put the point into vuln minds instead

or perhaps some other toughness gen/utility node

[spice aurora]

Its 1.25x for all toughness talents and base per kill toughness and all that shi too

[ripe obsidian]

I've seen worse.

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s not that bad

[pale prairie]

Lmao like the Pots rending one

[radiant frigate]

why the photos of screen instead of screenshots

what the flop

battle meditation with boneless shriek?

and smite? and bcob?

this is bait

on multiple levels

[thorn cedar]

boneless shriek lul

[ripe obsidian]

I missed the boneless shriek. How sad it is.

[radiant frigate]

knowing that, have you still seen worse?

[thorn cedar]

yea

there's a sick freak out there who uses mind in motion

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[pale prairie]

You missed the rage bait from earlier today

[radiant frigate]

was it quality

[pale prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a13cceff-5148-4ab1-bb92-1b2f245eda95/best-havoc-psyker-build-for-noobs

https://tenor.com/view/legolas-lord-of-the-rings-elf-lotr-gif-11537901

[radiant frigate]

nahhh not the empyric shock inferno

not the infested weak spot dueling sword

[pale prairie]

Check out the sword

Guy was rage baiting that this was the best build ever and that rending stacked with PoTs

AGILE sword

[radiant frigate]

incredible

simply incredible

[crisp ether]

infested

and

weakspot damage

[obtuse swan]

loooooooool

wsdmg op

pusy

[crisp ether]

alright we get it, you're baiting

[obtuse swan]

actual braindead userbase im sorry you didnt even test it

shameful display!

[radiant frigate]

i'm sorry but making "thing that is designed to suck vs carapace work on crushers" is not the way

low effort bait

[crisp ether]

Rending doesn't provide any benefit past 100%

If you have uncanny on your dueling sword, it's completely redundant because the strat would be to gather soulblaze stacks on horde, switch to melee, get uncanny stacks for the rending, switch back, rinse and repeat.

20% is a nothing burger for inferno staff alone.

Because the only thing that even gets affected are crushers because Soulblaze ADMs are pretty much 100% across the board for any other kind of enemy. And 20% isn't enough to affect Carapace in a meaningful way.

There's your explanation as to why PotS doesn't really work the way you and your buddies think it does.

It's making something that's utterly shit against one thing, very slightly less utterly shit.

[thorn cedar]

And it's not like you can conclusively state it'll be 0.1 ADM to 0.3 with PotS cause PotS' value is a linear ramp with peril scaling. You're pretty much never getting the full 20% rending.

We can generously round it off to 0.25. And that's really not great.

I do stan for Uncanny Strike though, but it's less about Soulblaze alone and more just ...... Uncanny Strike.

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/jaejoongxd-bat-cute-eating-banana-gif-10852133524311780151

banaynay

[thorn cedar]

If you already are using Uncanny there's zero need for PotS

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-sniff-donkey-kong-AkNeVknwoRv80fEF6P

Anyway PotS sucks.

[wind spruce]

What % rending do we reckon pots needs to not suck

[thorn cedar]

a flat value untethered from peril

and not warp specific

or not warp specific but a very high value at a high peril threshold

that it's two conditionals for what amounts to very average rending is bad, and it only impacts an extremely narrow slice of weapons and an even narrower slice of enemies

either way it needs to lose the warp specific tag because it's just awful even at its absolute best

weve gone over it before but it's very silly that it only really impacts two types of warp damage and one of them (assail) still doesnt want to take advantage of a full half of those benefits because throwing shards at carapace is a complete waste

[pale prairie]

Exploits you are very knowledgeable for a mind in motion stan

[crisp ether]

Mind in Motion fun

[thorn cedar]

it let me zoom

[crisp ether]

I do have to say, I am very curious what that other Discord server that dude posted unprompted here is lmao

[thorn cedar]

also l1 qq deimos is a serious menace

[zealous wing]

an echo chamber of some sort

where they refuse to read code, or test things

[crisp ether]

Like have they just been lying to this poor guy

[zealous wing]

absolutely

[thorn cedar]

i mean their logic is sound

[zealous wing]

alas,

[thorn cedar]

it just has gaps that you cant see in-game

yep, fatshark

[crisp ether]

It's sound but they're severely overinflating what 20% rending actually does here

[thorn cedar]

i mean lots do

[zealous wing]

TLDR, they've no idea what they're actually talking about, and have not collected the data to see either way whats true

[thorn cedar]

almost everybody acts as though they are hitting 20% with 100% uptime

[crisp ether]

And that.

[zealous wing]

whereas six can give spreadsheets and scoreboards, they have "trust me bro"

[crisp ether]

It's not always gonna be 20%

[thorn cedar]

it's damn near never 20%

you need back to back gazes for that

or you're doing something really specific like i do

where i hit 100%, count to five, and then toss out an assail shard

[crisp ether]

I mean

This is more possible than ever nowadays.

[rich spindle]

I thought that talent didn’t work on soulblaze

[crisp ether]

Honestly that's another thing

[spice aurora]

y am i getting declined from every h40 i have meta

[crisp ether]

I'm pretty sure it's just the actual cast that's affected by rending. Not the DoT itself.

[zealous wing]

but the fact this person immediately jumped to being defensive and aggressive tells me they've fallen for that groups bait, hook, line, and sinker, and feel in too deep to admit anyone was wrong

[thorn cedar]

r u running smite

[spice aurora]

yes

[thorn cedar]

hmmmm

[rich spindle]

Mods, banish him for life

[thorn cedar]

might be the pants

[rich spindle]

That’s what I thought too

[spice aurora]

i have smite, shock maul, and wall shields

[crisp ether]

yeah like I was 100%

in actual belief

That it was bait

And then they posted the screenshot

IT'S BLEAK, SIBLINGS

[zealous wing]

basically, the nerds who look at the code vs "trust me bro, we're right they're wrong", it really is BLEAK

[crisp ether]

palpatine ah build

[rich spindle]

Charged strike + electrocute damage blessing = captain 2 shot

I remember trying it when ep charge strike was bugged. Still wasn’t that good 😂

[thorn cedar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/crazy-shock-skull-ODLObdYAQ42mx6agLb

[zealous wing]

was still funny tho

[rich spindle]

That was a legitimately balanced and fun bug

Got to mess around with hitmass and cleave blessings

[ionic sorrel]

Anyone miss with Lightning Speed on staves. That was a hoot.

[zealous wing]

yeah

[ionic sorrel]

I hope they just change it to be range and melee.

[rich spindle]

I didn’t know it existed

[fathom adder]

Why did marv turn into a skeleton

[thorn cedar]

because he's full of bones

[crisp ether]

come on, that's not true.

[thorn cedar]

u can see the bones right there

[crisp ether]

but being full of bones implies the bones are inside something

but the bones, are showing

checkmate

[thorn cedar]

smh

this guy doesnt know his home alone lore

[crisp ether]

what do you mean I don't know my home alone lore 😭

That movie was a staple of the elden times.

[thorn cedar]

my local burger spot had it on the other week, was a fun watch while i was waiting

[crisp ether]

Well, Home Alone 2

And 1

I never liked 3 that much

[pale prairie]

Lmao I’d let you in

Takes fucking balls

[crisp ether]

same

if I HAD a 40

i've been working so much I can't get the time to actually climb to it 😭

[pale prairie]

“Look at this absolute full commit lightning chad over here”

[zinc phoenix]

Shock maul good actually 😤

[pale prairie]

It’s okay just pretend you get to play and it’s randos keeping you down

[zinc phoenix]

But it could be better!

[pale prairie]

He said Meta but yeah

Shock maul needs buffs

[crisp ether]

Nah I've seen some crazy setups on randoms in havoc recently

lmao

[zinc phoenix]

If it had synergy with charged strike it’d be amazing

[crisp ether]

And I don't mean like, thoughtout but offmeta stuff

I mean "how the fuck did you get a clearance 40" type shit

[zinc phoenix]

Like the sole reason you are gonna take shock maul on pysker is you want to full commit to electromeme. Devs should lean into that

[pale prairie]

I am fine with crazy setups if they make sense or are coherent and more importantly if the person plays like a teammate

[crisp ether]

That's what I mean

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah that’s some good stuff for sure

[crisp ether]

You can tell when a build is different

But actually thought out

Zeal I had the other night

Heavy sword with Thrust and Headtaker

Flamer with Penetrating and Showstopper

Stunstorm nades

He did not last very long with any form of carapace aggression

[zinc phoenix]

People might be very good with one character and totally clueless with the rest

[pale prairie]

Zealot I had was using eviscerator cool……all wounds curios…..Kay……but…no…martyrdom

[zinc phoenix]

Like when I get on psyker I know what I’m doing. If I get on vet I’m like “yeah this sounds cool let’s do it”