psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

anything else is just another buff to inferno staff

[ripe obsidian]

tbh I am still practicing meleeker. I can play it well enough at an H40 level, but I don't think I go wild like some of the better meleekers here do

[pale prairie]

Using DD with inferno? Interesting take

I mean if a bunch of inferno players want to just toss shriek damage in the garbage can as soon as two targets can appear at a time for DD great

Would love to see it

[thorn cedar]

you wouldnt have to think that hard at all

you just hold right click, same as always

two alternating bluebois will always be dropping to fire and bluebois taking fire refreshes your stack

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean its fine you still get the damage

[pale prairie]

They key is using some kind of fast laser weapon to easily and quickly pick off targets

[thorn cedar]

basically instant 25 stacks, the only way it wouldnt is if someone is killing them faster than you

[cosmic cobalt]

or bb

slap flayer on

head shot once

[pale prairie]

It doesn’t matter though you are sacrificing shriek over stacks cause now you don’t have warp siphon cooldowns

[cosmic cobalt]

profit

[thorn cedar]

oh thats what you mean

[pale prairie]

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I dunno, Gameslantern and Youtube tell me that LMB inferno is the real meta.

[pale prairie]

What I mean

[thorn cedar]

i mean w/e, shriek is boring as fuck anyway lul

[pale prairie]

With perfectionism

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean if you ultra macroit

[thorn cedar]

i just block and leave whenever i see it

[cosmic cobalt]

chinese psyker try to not cheat challenge

[pale prairie]

Alright somebody volunteer to do this run into rampage or infested armor

[ripe obsidian]

do it

[thorn cedar]

warp unbound fire staff is hilarious

[cosmic cobalt]

wouldn't 25dd better since you're on inferno

[pale prairie]

Where’s perfectionism six? WHERE IS IT?!?

[ripe obsidian]

tbh I have no idea

[pale prairie]

This is a silly build

You even have warp speed so you can make up for your shitty LMB range

[ripe obsidian]

I despise the average LMB inferno + bubble havoc random. They do no damage and die.

[thorn cedar]

4 warp charges = 16%
15 DD stacks = 15%, so warp charges better
6 warp charges = 24%
25 DD stacks = 25% so DD better

yes i know other stuff happens too

[pale prairie]

COOLDOWNS

[thorn cedar]

I SAID I KNOW

[ripe obsidian]

note that Warp Siphon got a meaningful hidden buff this last patch

[thorn cedar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-office-panda-rage-EtB1yylKGGAUg

[cosmic cobalt]

literally 1% damsge diff

this shit so ass

and you can't even use the finesse bonus because its inferno

[pale prairie]

PIERRE DID YOU KNOW YOU ALSO GET COOLDOWNS WITH WARP SIPHON

[long saddle]

just aim 4 they're heads!

[thorn cedar]

warp charges can eat my ass, i hate its dumb yoyo damage bonus and i fucken hate that you cant opt out/cant opt in to cooldown consumption

[ripe obsidian]

But DD also gives 50% more crit damage on your bonus 4 critical damage

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[thorn cedar]

even more if it headshots

[pale prairie]

Six you are hilarious

[ripe obsidian]

In Fire Reborn got super buffed, tho.

[thorn cedar]

then it can eat my ass even better

[pale prairie]

The point isn’t extra damage from warp siphon (though that’s fun) it’s about shriek fire and stagger every goddamn 15-16 sec

Insanity

[ripe obsidian]

IFR should restack ridiculously quickly now due to the fix in detection of whether a dying enemy is on fire or not

[ripe obsidian]

8.5 seconds

[pale prairie]

Jesus

So they nerfed psykinetics aura huh?

[thorn cedar]

i mean

yeah that was still valid

[ripe obsidian]

(30 * 0.78 * 0.55) / 1.5 = 8.58 seconds

[cosmic cobalt]

they nerfed it from instant cd reduction

to cd regeneration

[thorn cedar]

warp siphon 100% should separate the cooldown effect into a new node you have to buy into

and just buff the base up to 6 stacks default

[ripe obsidian]

It was 8.04 seconds before this patch

60% CDR to 50% CDR is the loss of half a second, assuming CDR aura, CDR curios, and 100% PA uptime

[pale prairie]

I am astounded that I see so few good infernos

[ripe obsidian]

So am I, tbh

I don't get it

[thorn cedar]

i mean most people just kinda suck, they are vibing more than anything

[ripe obsidian]

Like, when I play shield Arby, maybe 1/4 of inferno psykers outdamage me. And if they do, it's rarely more than maybe 10%

[thorn cedar]

goofball in one of my games already quit as soon as he went down to reconnect, then bitched that when he came back it put him even further away for a revive (because he was really just an anchor and we zoomed forward like four rooms as soon as he died)

[pale prairie]

Alright you jokers next time I run meleeker I’ll try perfectionism again. Not sure how well it will work with surge surge staff but I’ll give it a go

[thorn cedar]

like right click surging?

[pale prairie]

No

[thorn cedar]

oh

then its great

[ripe obsidian]

dude, I had someone like that in my semi-duo with bruh moment. As soon as he died, he'd quit and reconnect. I wasn't sure if he was going for a better revive spot or just trying to give us bots or what

[pale prairie]

Surge surge is all LMB

Cause surge blessing on surge staff

[ripe obsidian]

It's easy to keep 25 stacks with surge surge. I use it there.

[thorn cedar]

and the critheadshots are fucken nasty

[ripe obsidian]

No recoil, no spread, ridiculous fire rate.

[thorn cedar]

brain everything with left clicks

[ripe obsidian]

The Lightning Speed fix is technically a nerf to LMB EK, tho

10% ranged attack speed on surge surge was noticeable

[pale prairie]

He got played

[thorn cedar]

if he just waited he wouldve been literally in the same room as us

but he left so we zoomed on

[pale prairie]

Yeah but I want to swing swurd

[pale prairie]

Sorry what?

[ripe obsidian]

I'll play it tonight in expeditions or wherever else. Might swap BB to Assail, tho

[ripe obsidian]

lightning speed gave 10% global attack speed, despite being listed as melee only.

They fixed it

[pale prairie]

Ah so shooters DO scare you

[pale prairie]

Shit

[ripe obsidian]

I've gotten 2 different people TS using Surge Surge + Shriek so far. At least two.

It's honestly probably my strongest build.

[pale prairie]

Some ASS habits die hard

[ripe obsidian]

One with WS, one with DD. Both are really strong. Depends on whether you want more staff damage or more shrieks. Though with the IFR fix, WS has somewhat more value than before.

[pale prairie]

I don’t think anyone least of all me is arguing surge surge shriek is bad

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I am just stroking my ego.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-smile-flirt-gif-16060035702808606489

[ripe obsidian]

Surge Surge + SG is also ridiculous, just a bit weaker for horde clear.

[thorn cedar]

just click more

[ripe obsidian]

I use Skitarius for LMB spam

don't feel like killing my hand

I want to experiment with this a little bit, with uptime, to see how much Perilous Combustion does on its own to upkeep Souldrinker.

or swap Warp Expenditure to Quietude.

I just think Warp Expenditure is super valuable on this sort of build, since you end up in melee pretty often

[pale prairie]

Just spam more LMB

[ripe obsidian]

no u

[tiny cove]

What perks do you guys like to run on IAG's for Gunker

[ripe obsidian]

Flak + Maniac, probably

dis is what Path says for Veteran

@buoyant maple can I copy your recommended blessings/perks for non-Psyker-specific ranged and melee weapons for use in my build guide? I'll credit you and link to your guide, of course. Well, I already link to your guide.

[tiny cove]

Also is Columnus IAG just generally worse than Vraks?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

Vraks is the best

[tiny cove]

I remember it having kinda middle child syndrome in the past compared to the Agri and Vraks

since Agri has the cleave and Vraks just has the raw dps\

[buoyant maple]

yea sure

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

[buoyant maple]

I'm still overhauling stuff tho

the most up-to-date weapons are the ones without separate blessing sections (and have italic font)

[ripe obsidian]

The ones with the fancier graphics, yes?

[buoyant maple]

yea lots of images and very long sections

like infantry lasgun

[buoyant maple]

usually yes
but it's the most controllable recoil of the 3 infantry lasguns

with that said

if u wanted an autogun with easily controllable recoil & high dps
vig auto exists

[thorn cedar]

but what if i want awful control and low damage

is there anything for my needs

[buoyant maple]

yea
ogryn guns

[thorn cedar]

excellent

now to equip the stubber on my psyker

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ripe obsidian]

I want Psyker to fall over from the recoil when using the stubber

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

I'm telling ya
Fatshark is afraid of buffing anything about Gunlugger because of Rumbler

They should just separate Bullets from Explosives in the talents

[ripe obsidian]

didn't they just buff gunlugger?

[marble onyx]

So if I'm not running bb then what options do I have for anti-elites? Especially carapace
I've got a rending flurry voidblast staff which I know the brittleness stacks can help a lot, but I struggle to think of what can actually deal good single-target damage even with that help

[jovial juniper]

No
They "buffed" PBB

[ripe obsidian]

Force Greatsword, Force Swords Obscurus and Deimos, Dueling Sword.

[jovial juniper]

Gunlugger is more than just PBB

[ripe obsidian]

I have never played gunlugger. D:

[jovial juniper]

We are back to pre ogryn rework

Where Gunlugger was just PBB

The buffs to steady Grip and mobile emplacement is pretty good
I can't lie

However
It seems like it isn't active atm

💀

[ripe obsidian]

very quick demo of poking crusher with FGS

[marble onyx]

I still need to try greatsword since I threw it aside during leveling due to it feeling like swinging through sludge
Deimos and Obscurus I know the special attack is basically Chainsword/axe but peril edition and deals good damage but man, I can't seem to drop Illisi's crowd clear and quick special that doesn't lock me in place, especially given I struggle to survive
Duelling sword yeah I just need to try

[ripe obsidian]

I do not recommend ever using the special attacks on Deimos or Obscurus

[jovial juniper]

"buffed" because it isn't enough
Hivers get 100% back while also sporting better guns

[marble onyx]

... excuse me, was that a three-hit kill on a crusher?

[marble onyx]

Really? Damage not worth it or something?

[jovial juniper]

I'm willing to bet that a brauto scum will outperform a Gunlugger

[ripe obsidian]

yeah, it was slow. I can one-shot them with SG up, high peril, and a crit. I think it's like 7000 damage on H2

[marble onyx]

That's still dealing significantly more damage to it than I am with a power 500 god roll on heresy
I think I'm doing something wrong

[thorn cedar]

uncanny strike is a significant part of it

[marble onyx]

God roll being 60 warp res

[marble onyx]

Which one's that?

[thorn cedar]

i wouldnt say you should NEVER use the special attack but yeah its not really meant to be leaned into

124% rending at five stacks on headshots

[marble onyx]

Ah right

[thorn cedar]

i just run that with perilous

basically handles all armor blobs

[ripe obsidian]

Hardcaps at 100%

the extra stack is pointless

[thorn cedar]

does it really

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[thorn cedar]

not even the bonus 1/4%?

[ripe obsidian]

I believe so, yeah. If you're over 100%, it just counts as 100%

[thorn cedar]

weird

doesnt really change much for me tho

im already waiting for them to actually fucken nerf it

and ill still end up using it

[marble onyx]

Checking to be sure: rending is skipping armour as an attack property, and brittleness is skipping armour as a debuff?

[thorn cedar]

yea

[marble onyx]

Ty

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f5799ac12f394397656fbe324012847b29513e98/scripts/utilities/attack/damage_calculation.lua#L641

rending_multiplier = math.min(rending_multiplier, 1)

so either 100% rending or your multiplier, whichever is lower

[ripe obsidian]

on Deimos, Obscurus, DS, and knife, yes. FGS does not have uncanny. Just has like 70% carapace ADMs

[marble onyx]

I currently have my illisi with deflector and the blessing to scale strength with peril
I pull it out when my peril gets high from voidblast secondary spam and use it to get back down with bcob, battle meditation, and other things, as well as when I need to approach a gunner or reaper
Is that... is that good?

[ripe obsidian]

note that Deimos's 2nd heavy will knock a crusher on its butt with a headshot

[ripe obsidian]

Are you having fun with it? If so, it's good.

[marble onyx]

Nice

[ripe obsidian]

If you're asking from a strictly optimization standpoint, it's not ideal.

[thorn cedar]

im sorta goofing with similar shit rn

just to do it really

[marble onyx]

I'm kinda struggling with single-target on tougher things tbh
Even empowered psionics with bb don't really measure up to krak grenades, I feel
Brittleness helps bb still, right? It's affected by armour?

[thorn cedar]

uh kinda

but not a whole lot

[marble onyx]

Also ADMs are what I'm seeing in the inspect menu with the attack breakdowns and the red and blue numbers, right?

[thorn cedar]

yea

kinda anyway

its enough to give you a good idea but those arent always the exact numbers you'll get

but its safe to say if your weapon does 1000 damage to unarmored but only does 50 damage to carapace then it does not have good carapace damage

if said weapon has uncanny strike then when it is maxed out it will do that 1000 damage to carapace as well

almost every attack is different and in the case of guns the range matters too

[jovial juniper]

You can ignore the blue btw

[brave birch]

After 120 hours of playing greatsword Psyker I worked through being putted off to staffs!

Could someone recommend me a fun wizard staff build? (not Palpatine lightning)

[jovial juniper]

Scriers Palpatine lightning

But fr though
Double Shield Kinetic Resonance Brain Burst

"Hands gameplay"

[ripe obsidian]

real ADMs are hidden in the code

[ripe obsidian]

I have many a build in the pinned Build Bonanza

Some for each staff, plus templates if you want to build your own. I need to do some tweaking, but everything should be pretty up to date.

[brave birch]

Like that?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c2bbe3a-0076-4c1d-903d-8133ff3cbdaf/brain-burst-go-brrrt

[brave birch]

amazing!4

[jovial juniper]

Yeah close enough

[ripe obsidian]

Brittleness and rending affect Flak, Maniac, Unyielding, and Carapace enemies. I have a list of every warp-based ADM (I think?) in the bonanza. Though I might be missing warp sword specials

[ripe obsidian]

In general, I recommend melee for scary individual enemies. Otherwise, CC-lock them with Voidblast until they die, or abuse the Push Attack of force swords to proc uncanny and let soulblaze kill them.

example thereof

[brave birch]

Rending Shockwave with Warp Flurry
on voidblast staff

sounds exactly like something I'd be keen to try out.

Just need to find what those talents are 😄

! its on weapon!

[ripe obsidian]

Aye, those are weapon blessings

[dire wharf]

Push with those weapons applies uncanny??

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

Push Attack on force swords is a headshot because ?????

It's super stupid

[marble onyx]

Psyker's stagger potential is a lot of fun
Warp sword push and voidblast secondary just make me laugh when a crusher falls over like that lol

[dire wharf]

Is it supposed to work that way?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

Because ??????

[brave birch]

Okay let's ruin somebody's day by trying this build out on chaos waste.

[ripe obsidian]

if you have clarifying questions about the build, I can try to answer

[brave birch]

Yes.
If I understand correctly, I want to spam Charge attack as frequently as possible, and use ult to vent, and use R to vent.

When should I use sword?

Thank you very much for being amazing for writing whole guide on topic and offering support ❤️

[spice aurora]

@ripe obsidian tryna get a 0 dmg taken game for stupid video for build

and i get cucked by bon juice fml

[verbal thistle]

L

Our fav boss

The do nothing and run away boss

[spice aurora]

he ate salm for 20min and i couldnt get to him but i took a dmg so i blame salm

[verbal thistle]

True

I blame him too

[rich spindle]

it was vects fault

[lament jay]

What weapons for psyker spread soulfire (relatively) consistently? Not some niche melee weapon that does it once every 30 hits

[ripe obsidian]

With Rending Voidblast? Yes, you want to spam the charged attack with pretty low charge. It's very safe with Flurry, as it lowers the amount of peril generated per cast

[rich spindle]

there is one that comes to mind

[brave birch]

I just played it but with voidstrike.

[ripe obsidian]

Melee? Nothing. Illisi is the best, I guess. Ranged? Inferno staff, Blazing Spirit Voidblast.

[brave birch]

It was bad XD

[lament jay]

Other than the staff lol

[brave birch]

Took wrong staff XD

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike and Voidblast have bad names

too similar

[rich spindle]

you can use bloodthirsty + blazing spirit illisi

it makes stuff blue

[lament jay]

How to get illisi?

Is it just the name of a legendary blaze sword or specefic drop from a mission

[ripe obsidian]

it is a mark of the force sword

[lament jay]

So like a name?

I only have like 30 hours so if it's super complicated plz dumb it down

[rich spindle]

get the one handed force sword in the shop

[lament jay]

K

[rich spindle]

then in the menu you can click on "mark" and switch it whenever you want

[ripe obsidian]

Weapons have marks. Force Sword has 3 marks: Illisi, Obscurus, and Deimos

[lament jay]

Ohhh

[ripe obsidian]

different marks have slightly different stats and movesets

[lament jay]

Ok

Makes sense

Ill check that out when I hop on again

[rigid sky]

In the 1H force sword's case, Illisi is drastically different from the others

It's a worse power sword effectively, while the other two are effectively a better chainsword

[ripe obsidian]

I do not think I agree with that analysis, unless you're solely referring to the powered attacks

[proven plank]

you don't find the power attach of illisi effective? isn't that the one you power up with kills and send a wave forward cutting off heads? i get some pretty good use out of it. unless i am mixing up the swords...

the attack pattern is also good for hordes

[marble onyx]

That's the greatsword, not illisi

[proven plank]

oh... thanks lol

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone wanna join some expeditions?

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

[zinc phoenix]

Different marks of a weapon give you different sets of attacks

Sometimes they have different roles entirely

Like Deimos is more focused on elites while illsi is more focused on hordes with its attacks

[buoyant maple]

TR speedrun?

[ripe obsidian]

What is TR?

[buoyant maple]

tech remnant

[ripe obsidian]

ohhhhhh

what would a speedrun entail?

[brave birch]

@ripe obsidian you are amazing person. Thank you.

[ripe obsidian]

You are welcome. The build went well?

[brave birch]

Not really ^^.
I probably need more practice to pull it on wasteland.
But I'll see what I can do with voidstrike tommorow as well, so objective complete, will keep trying and shuffling stuff.

[wind spruce]

Why on earth did i decide to remove warp unbound and rebind quell at the same time

Atleast its making me learn the new keybind faster

[zealous wing]

godspeed

[wind spruce]

Ive also got a new keybind for a macro that does QQ and im trying to learn when i can q cancel vs quell cancel during scriers

My brain feels like mush rn but it'll synthesize overnight

[ripe obsidian]

Let me know if you have questions about any of it. This game can be confusing and Fatshark doesn't explain mechanics well

[small spindle]

I assume bubble is still good post the nerf / longer recharge?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[naive imp]

aright. been away for awhile....

what is the mod list people recommend?

[small spindle]

Any changes to meta builds? If bubble is still fine I assume meta builds didnt really change then.

[spice aurora]

i use these mods, its all QoL stuff that doesnt rly change the way the game looks

danger zone is cheating for no audio bursters, and whenever i play with it off i suddenly hear all of them so idk whats going on xD

[ripe obsidian]

Not really, no. Soulblaze got some buffs in the form of a bug fix (Souldrinker & In Fire Reborn are more consistent) and flat shields are less consistent than before.

Bubble is still a generally weaker, albeit arguably safer, option than Shriek or Scrier's Gaze

[spice aurora]

Ive been using wall a lot different and ive been having a lot of success

Someone should make a video on it but use it like a viper wall from valorant or sm shit

Gunner line, make it diagonal like a /
and you can run along it to get to them very easily and the verticality makes it super consistent ive noticed for specials except bursters still don’t care a lot of the time xD

And most paths are pretty narrow so instead of wasting the ends of the walls by making it horizontal, if you do diagonal then the whole wall is used to block and specials can get blocked along the entire length of the hallway instead of just one point

I havent lost with it yet in h40 xD its actually so good

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-kill-cod-montage-sniping-montage-sniper-gif-7453980808548041523

[weary hatch]

Nurgle guide my aim

Finally got the new drip but what u think?

[ripe obsidian]

This is the reason wall won't become meta. Bubble is point and click. Wall requires thinking.

[fresh pike]

Good shit, sibling

[tawdry shadow]

Can y'all explain the blaze force great sword to me

I wanna use it but the charge bar sorta confuses my pea sized brain

[fresh pike]

You kill stuff, bar charges, full charge gets big damage for crowd clearing

[zealous wing]

here go

cant make an updated one atm ingame

[tiny cove]

God I love playing Melee Gunker

so much fun weaving everything together

[wind spruce]

I wish kinetic flayer didn't exist... like hey instead of adding an ability to your kit therefore increasing your interaction with game mechanics, required decision making and overall dynamic gameplay, just take this passive that generates more value despite requiring literally zero cost, input or decision making

[ripe obsidian]

Counterpoint: head go pop

[wind spruce]

@zealous wing accidental tag soz

[tiny cove]

I mean, I'm pretty sure assail weaving is higher cap than running kinetic flayer?

[wind spruce]

Shit, good point

[tiny cove]

Also kinetic does have cost, its not exactly controllable

[verbal thistle]

It is though

[wind spruce]

Thats not a cost

[verbal thistle]

Depends on build

[tiny cove]

I mean, it also has the cost of taxing you an extra point, and I'm always fiending for points on Psyker

[wind spruce]

Depends on build, specifically how it manages peril

[wind spruce]

What is?

[wind spruce]

Assail costs warp splitting, so if you wouldn't run that then KF is free

[tiny cove]

More because of Malefic Momentum uptime, was my thought

Though I suppose for high peril usage builds like Purg staff, its pretty much just free damage while doing your other stuff

[wind spruce]

Assail is good for gunker, yeah

And i love assail, dont get me wrong

[tiny cove]

Yeah I def have glasses tinted for gunker, don't play other specs as much

[verbal thistle]

You can control flayer

[wind spruce]

Its just lame how a passive is better than a blitz on most staff builds

[tiny cove]

I think that tbh, has more to do with how staffs play

[verbal thistle]

I have a mental timer for it myself since I don't run buff bar

[wind spruce]

Sure, target stuff when its off cd

[verbal thistle]

On my soykyer build that I run solos with I time my force push to kills specials

[wind spruce]

Still

[tiny cove]

a lot of the staffs are so high investment time wise to do their stuff, that the other two blitzs just aren't that useful

Like, playing purg or Slam Circle, both smite and assail are kinda redundant

and outside of kinetic resonance brain burst is kinda slow on its own

[wind spruce]

Ill add that to my list of skills to develop. Im trying to master the force sword move tech after watching you glide around. It looks so weird

[spice aurora]

I have trust issues and I am too scared to parry any overhead bc one time I parry a trash mob sitting in a crusher, same time as overhead, perfect parry window, full stam, and I die

how to overcome fear

[tiny cove]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-litany-against-fear-i-will-not-fear-paul-fear-is-the-mind-killer-fear-is-the-mind-killer-dune-litany-against-fear-paul-atreides-gif-1925263469617380147

[radiant frigate]

one might argue it's the case on melee psyker too

granted it's melee psyker with a staff but melee psyker nonetheless

[fresh pike]

Staff also has melee so it counts

[radiant frigate]

staff bonk is such a meme i wish it had a different special

[weary hatch]

Whats the special on force sword even do?

[fresh pike]

Big cut

You ever played Excalibur in Warframe?

His 4th is basically a fast spammable version of the force greatsword

Holdon you mean the small sword don't you

[wind spruce]

Can get more value from weaving than kf generates on meleeker imo

But if its staff meleeker you dont need it like gunker

[radiant frigate]

i find little point in assail when i have a staff

so i either go kf surge surge or assail reconlas

[weary hatch]

Yeh the small one instead of greatsword

[magic kayak]

Anyone using voidstrike on expedition? Been messing with the electro staff which is nice but feels like voidstrike might be better here due the range

[radiant frigate]

deimos/obscurus make the next hit get stuck in the target for extra damage, illisi gets improved cleave and damage on the next attack

[zealous wing]

only difference is voidestrike has a bigger ball on secondary attack

[fresh pike]

Does one big strike similar to the chainsword special where it gets stuck

[magic kayak]

isnt it infinite cleave on secondary with voidstrike?

[zealous wing]

lol

no

[radiant frigate]

alas, no

[magic kayak]

it used to be I thought

[radiant frigate]

that's plasma privilege

[zealous wing]

voidstrike is sadly the bottom of the 4 staves

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike was never infinite cleave

[magic kayak]

damn ok

[radiant frigate]

which is a little silly

[magic kayak]

they must have nerfed it, I recall clearing entire hallways with that charged secondary

[radiant frigate]

it has high cleave

just not infinite

[magic kayak]

gotcha

[radiant frigate]

i am told this is very noticeable in havoc

[zealous wing]

it is

[wind spruce]

I like it on lmb ek

[zealous wing]

4 poxxers

[radiant frigate]

where it suddenly barely pierces

[wind spruce]

Fills that multi target niche

[potent echo]

Assail takes care of a spread out shooter clump

So you can have bad positioning and still be okay

[weary hatch]

Working my way to doing havoc is inferno staff generally the better pick?

[wind spruce]

Exactly

Instead of being good at the game i can panic spam assail

[potent echo]

It's perfect for auric yolo face rushing

[magic kayak]

Yeah I've been maining flamestaff so long I just want some range lol

[wind spruce]

Great for multiple specials and ragers too

[radiant frigate]

when ragers appear i have come to terms with the fact i will simply have to suffer

[wind spruce]

Tbh they feel so deal-with-able now

[radiant frigate]

not like dreg ragers after that one buff

[wind spruce]

A year ago i didnt have the dodge accumen to cope with more than one in melee

[magic kayak]

yeah ragers arent bad depending on what you're using, its always the crushers that give the most fear I feel like lol

[radiant frigate]

i remember when dreg ragers were suddenly "OH SHIT" and scab ragers were just dual wield maulers

[calm yoke]

dreg ragers just have so much stagger resistance

[wind spruce]

Scab ragers are so patheic

[potent echo]

It's weird they only get the resistance after they start swinging

[calm yoke]

a lot more stuff can stagger scabs out of their attacks, dregs? wayyyyyyyyy less

[potent echo]

So if you hit them before they swing is gud

[magic kayak]

lmb inferno has high stagger so usually I just spam that and vent on their faces

[radiant frigate]

i also remember when zealot (designated melee class) got bodied by ragers in melee while vet and psyker (so-called "ranged" classes) handled them no problem

[calm yoke]

one of the sadder comparisons between the two:

the slash helbore bayonet can stagger scabs...but not dregs :(

[radiant frigate]

slash bayonet suffers from being slash bayonet

[calm yoke]

makes me so sad

[radiant frigate]

shank bayonet is like 3 times as fast with pretty much same damage

[calm yoke]

makes me wish they just did away with the slash and added stab to the mk iv

oh well

you know, for some reason my usual psyker build of electro staff m1 spam hasnt been working that well in expeditions, wonder if its cause of the insane spawn rates of deadside

[wind spruce]

I remember that they deserved to suffer because smealot bad

[radiant frigate]

i remember that for a long time zealot weapons were stupid and smelly

(no mkxv evis and relic blade)

whereas now i can curse at poxwalkers for bodyblocking me as I'm about to deliver a comically large backstab

[wind spruce]

They're still stupid and smelly because zealot touches them

[gilded radish]

Did they change the spawns on the snow map?
Spawned into having a hord of gunners right at the start with ragers around corners

[zealous wing]

they did not intentionally do so

spawns are fucked on all maps

[gilded radish]

Ah great

[wind spruce]

Fucking fun*

Just getting to the drop down in gloriana is cooked lmao

That fkn tunnel

[zealous mango]

the enemies even spawn on jails from one of the assassination missions

It is jsut so funny

[wraith sphinx]

I fw it

it can stay

[zealous mango]

[gilded radish]

Where they belong

[ashen edge]

That ledge have uneven ground so dodging might not be possible too

[radiant frigate]

only issue is they're not very shootable in there

[zealous mango]

Funny that the sniper was aiming at a teammate

but dont think it shot in time

[wraith sphinx]

had a hilarious relay station mission just now

what do you mean you get a patrol of gunners and reapers spawning in your face the moment you land, this is peak

[quartz barn]

Mfw scum clears that before you can blink

[ripe obsidian]

It is true

Dodge-slide sideways and swing wildly

[autumn scarab]

is there a gun psyker discussion thread

[ripe obsidian]

I don't believe so. I'm not sure threads are extensively used in general, but I could be mistaken

[wraith sphinx]

whatever for

[fresh pike]

What's the real difference between gun Psyker and Psyker with a gun?

[wraith sphinx]

just post your shit here

[autumn scarab]

Cooking something, not sure if it's good or works, but, hard to say cause defy destiny doesn't work in the demo room

[wraith sphinx]

I'm a gun psyker main, post it and I'll take a look

[radiant frigate]

they're both melee psyker

[cosmic cobalt]

they can also spawn in the railcar on gloriana

[wind spruce]

Can post builds for discussion in here

Ok so stupid shit happens if you qq cancel trauma and then tap quell

You get the benefit of the quell cancel with the speed of qqing

@ripe obsidian you tried this? Been playing with trauma cancel a lot since we talked about it yesterday and im like, why dont i do both

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/vJoB1r

[ripe obsidian]

I have not tried it, no. I don't tend to do animation cancels because I focus too much on executing the cancel correctly at the expense of positioning and such

Brain too smol to do both

[wind spruce]

thats just practice, man

same as once upon a time we couldnt dodge and slide while attacking and switching weapons

as soon as i add something like this in all my gameplay goes to shit while the brain tries to integrate the new skill

[ripe obsidian]

That is some fast RMBing tho

Kaboom

[thorn cedar]

yea you dont start by spinning eight plates

you spin one plate good and then you add another and another

[dusk timber]

No balls

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/K4RxDr

this is so cooked

thats quelling in between too

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/nJ1G6L

this is without quelling

[ripe obsidian]

I am content spinning my single plate. If a new difficulty comes out that is more demanding, I might learn quell cancel and qq cancel and such, but for now I am okay.

[wind spruce]

Nah the point is you're already spinning seven if you're playing high level darktide

You'll drop a few if you add an eighth, but you'll work it out

[wind spruce]

@ripe obsidian Six did you notice how high scriers was during this

[ripe obsidian]

I did not. I am groggy at the moment. Was woken up by a page from work

[dusk timber]

Did you notice how high i was

[wind spruce]

I am pretty high atm ngl

[zinc phoenix]

I been doing this for a long time. It’s solid for interrupting stuff but you definitely don’t get the full stagger

[wind spruce]

The soulblaze radius at 50% charge is better than id expected though

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it’s solid for burninating a wide area

I always just called that tap quelling

I noticed I can even run after and still get the quell

[wind spruce]

In that video im weapon swapping and tap quelling

Its a bit faster than just tap quelling

[zinc phoenix]

True but it hurts my old man hands 😂

[wind spruce]

Yeah its rough haha

[autumn scarab]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1606159-dc9a-4ee9-a363-09e89b51fdd5/gun-psyker-35

this is kind of what I’m working with

[wind spruce]

I macro'd a double hit of q for the weapon swap

Too hard otherwise

[wind spruce]

Two things straight away - blazing spirit is garbage on melee weapons. Making it work is a dream every new psyker has but theres no build that makes it good

And id put combat ability regen on the curios

[autumn scarab]

yeah I was trying to read into blazing spirit and how it works/stacks, primarily it was for getting the soul blaze spread and rolling

[autumn scarab]

Is psyker tanky enough for that?

[wind spruce]

Just doesnt really work on a melee

Try it on a voidblast staff though, for sure

[wind spruce]

Yes

[autumn scarab]

I’ve been turning to 2x gunners and 1x corruption overall across all classes as the go to

for auric/havoc

[wind spruce]

So id take off blazing spirit, and then for talents get rid of souldrinker and wildfire. Everything other choice you've made looks good

[deft stump]

I run no gunner resist. If I go down, I'm in a situation I'll go down anyway with 300 ping.

[wind spruce]

Yeah thats good, just replace some of the toughness/health perks

Oh and you need empathic evasion

[dusk timber]

I'd also run assail over BB

[wind spruce]

Thats mandatory with recon

[autumn scarab]

that was something else I was debating

[deft stump]

No debate.

If crit build, always take.

Basically unless rending trauma.

[autumn scarab]

I prefer burst nuking things with the proc

[dusk timber]

Assail is way better for malefic momentum

[wind spruce]

No blaze trauma either karien

[deft stump]

True. I guess is just trauma.

[wraith sphinx]

FGS without anticipation is gonna be rough. I rec switching to 1h fs

[wind spruce]

Yeah too slow

Oh and you dont need flak on fgs @autumn scarab

[autumn scarab]

Cara/unyield for heavies?

[deft stump]

Cara+unyielding.

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[deft stump]

Thing strong enough to ignore the rest.

[wind spruce]

Id take unstable power as the other blessing

[deft stump]

Just bonky bosses+crushers matter.

[autumn scarab]

Is that also the right recon mark

I always forget which is the most ammo

[deft stump]

Blu/green is best bet.

[autumn scarab]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1606159-dc9a-4ee9-a363-09e89b51fdd5/gun-psyker-35

updated

[wind spruce]

You want the fastest fire rate

Whichever one that is

[deft stump]

Blu.

[wind spruce]

Wildfire is useless on your build

And this is a wasted point. It doesnt affect burn or soulblaze btw.

Take melee attack speed and either warp splitting or by crack of bone

FGS really needs the melee attack speed

And it benefits a fair bit against hordes from warp splitting

[restive roost]

Is there an update to the bubble psyker build?

[wind spruce]

I like by crack of bone but not without assail

[restive roost]

Or is the one in the pinned doc still good

[wind spruce]

Yeah, delete it. Bubble is dead. Bubble bois everywhere finally have to grow a pair.

[restive roost]

Okay

[deft stump]

Basically no change to it. Just more CD to deal with.

[restive roost]

Any thoughts that just isn't personal bias swill?

[restive roost]

That's good to know

[wind spruce]

None, sorry.

[marble crater]

Typical

[wraith sphinx]

Switch to a scrier's gaze build

What's the matter bubble boy, afraid you might feel something?

[restive roost]

I do run melee scrier a lot more since I last touched the game

[wraith sphinx]

Ok based

[restive roost]

Cause it really just feels like I'm on Vermintide

[wraith sphinx]

I switched my bubble shield build to a wall shield instead, it's quite a bit more fun to use now

[wind spruce]

Its bubble BOI because they're cringe

[autumn scarab]

I wish the bottom point wasn’t required

But the fact that the auto-mark is useless means it’s necessary

[tiny cove]

Oh yeah for Melee Psyker do you guys run triple tough relics or double tough 1 health

[frail oar]

I run 2 toughness 1 stam

[ripe obsidian]

3x toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble continues to be weaker than Shriek or SG. But it's still easy to use and impactful, in a sense. The biggest difference I have noticed so far between high skill players and less skilled players is a focus on survivability versus damage. "Can I mitigate a threat?" versus "Can I eliminate a threat?" Bubble mitigates. Used well, it can help you move to a position where you can eliminate, but it requires more time than Shriek or SG. It also takes away some of the Psyker's personal agency and strength in favor of supporting the team.

It's an interesting difference.

Same reason, I think, why Smite is considered so powerful for lower skill players and Arby's Alligator Stance is hailed as OP by the same folks

[marble crater]

Play bubble smite for the ultimate pacifist psyker

[frail oar]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's a matter of confidence with dodging and positioning and movement, which are less of a concern to higher skill players.

When you don't need abilities to make up for taking damage, you can use them instead to dole it out

[rich spindle]

Mr six is correct

You can view darktide in a simplified way: a chess game between the director and player

When you take an ability like bubble or book, it’s like taking a trade off where you skip every other turn, but remove half of the director’s pieces on the board

When you take an offensive ability, it’s like keeping all the pieces on the board, but being able to take two turns in a row

[zinc phoenix]

then there's wall which you take to assert dominance

over darktide, over other players, over everything and everyone

wall says "i could have taken a powerful offensive ability but instead i chose to make a glowy wall"

[ornate yoke]

does anyone know how does psyker generate soulblaze

[zinc phoenix]

with our soul

[pale prairie]

The wall is a lie. A sniper shot right through it yesterday to down me

[zinc phoenix]

yes, and ive seen nets and bursters and whatnot go thru it recently

[pale prairie]

It’s like they expanded the visual but it doesn’t actually cover the edges

[zinc phoenix]

BUT it still serves its primary purpose: letting others know my superiority

[pale prairie]

Fair enough

The wall isn’t protective magic it’s illusion magic to intimidate enemies

[dusk timber]

as in lore or gameplay

[royal falcon]

in lore it's the same way they do all their other players

in gameplay uhhhhhhh
purgatus force staff
wildfire passive
I forgot the rest icl

[zealous wing]

perilous combustion
venting shriek with creeping flames

[ripe obsidian]

Blazing Spirit

[obtuse swan]

can we get a warp katana?

functioning with a relic blade style activation that covers it in soulblaze and makes all your hits apply stacks, then your alt attack can let out a vent style projectile debuff that increases warp damage to all caught inside it and applies bleed

idk would just be cool for soulblaze activation melee, like maybe a scythe that you press once like with relic blade

I hope we get more warp based weapons and stuff , maybe more warp ranged that isnt just staves

[barren arrow]

I've seen it get shot over several times, it seems like it doesn't extend as far upwards as the increased size implies.

[barren arrow]

voidstrike staff with surge & blazing spirit
true aim & wildfire passives
burn tertium to the ground

and perilous combustion of course

[rich spindle]

Ok, I’ll start coding it in

[verbal thistle]

Sal the goat

It better have uncanny blazing spirit on it

[zinc phoenix]

only has two blessings total: weeb and gooner. they do nothing which will surprise exactly zero mothers

[jovial juniper]

It's a katana

So

Riposte/Shred + Precognition

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds like Eldar nonsense

[jovial juniper]

Also make it really good at killing flak and carapace with slashing attacks

Despite their irl counterparts not being good at it

[tiny cove]

Thoughts on Riposte vs Shred for FGS?

[buoyant maple]

both are ok

choose based on preference

[zealous wing]

i have learned seer canonically uses brain burst

i have a clip but need to edit it, and am midgame, but that was cool to learn

[maiden notch]

What blessings should i grab for elektrokinetic staff

[zealous wing]

if secondary spam, flurry and nexus, if primary, nexus and surge

[ripe obsidian]

Imagine if Surge worked on EK RMB

[maiden notch]

What about Refine section

as in primary

[ripe obsidian]

Perks

Flak + Crit or Flak + Maniac

[wind spruce]

The issue is that we can already apply soulblaze on melee weapons and its hot garbage

[ripe obsidian]

I think Flak + Maniac is better, but if Flak + Crit gets you over 67% crit chance, it becomes a guaranteed crit every 2nd attack

[ripe obsidian]

Is that a pun?

[wind spruce]

Yes. Bc my soul is garbage but it burns with a wild fire.

[ripe obsidian]

It should follow the same logic as some other talents.

1 stack on regular attack , +1 on heavies, +2 on crit

Or some variant thereof

Still capping at 6, probably. Maybe 8.

So up to 4 stacks per melee hit, assuming a crit and a heavy. Or make crits only +1 and instead add +1 on weakspot hit.

Maybe that's too complicated.

2 on regular hit, 4 on crit would be simpler.

[fresh pike]

How do you see the crit chance?

[ripe obsidian]

Manual calculation or this mod, because Fatshark hides important information

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/279?tab=files

[fresh pike]

Oh btw, what are some good blessings and perks for the greatsword? I have deflector and tranquility rn with some non optimal perks I think

Using the mk VIII at this moment

[fresh pike]

Ah that kinda sucks ngl

[long saddle]

unstable power is good

think perks are unyielding and carapace

[fresh pike]

Oh then I'm good for carapace

Just need to do the blessings and unyielding

[cosmic cobalt]

unstablle is op

because its alway maxed out

[fresh pike]

And tranquility? Do I keep it or change it

And to what

[long saddle]

you have some options: deflector if you need the survivability, shred is always nice, and then there's precognition too

I personally go for shred

[fresh pike]

Think I'll try that too considering I'm always wondering why I'm blocking instead of just dodging

And another thing. I just got another electro staff from melk that has 80/80/78/80/62

My currently equipped one has 80/80/60/80/80

Which one seems better?

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on the usage

I use minimal charge speed for LMB EK

[fresh pike]

2nd spam

[ripe obsidian]

Then you want 60% warp resist

[fresh pike]

Charge rate is equal for both

[zinc phoenix]

Based on what?

[fresh pike]

Oh damn I have that on 80

[zinc phoenix]

Demons be like let me innnnnn

[fresh pike]

Real

Be smelling like cologne inside my head

[zinc phoenix]

Sadly this means you are weak

A clean mind can’t do that filthy damage

[fresh pike]

Sadly

[fresh pike]

They should put this on a tile fr

Is it passable or am I stuck in rng hell?

[zinc phoenix]

You’ll be fine until high havoc, it’s the only place that mandates build autism

[fresh pike]

I'm stupid. I got some of the stats wrong when I posted them

[zinc phoenix]

Everywhere else it doesn’t matter

[fresh pike]

I have 78 quell speed on the 2nd staff

[zinc phoenix]

Unplayable GARBAGE

[fresh pike]

Nice

😔

Main one has 60

[zinc phoenix]

I see a lot of fellow True Slimes who don’t bother maxing their weapons because it genuinely doesn’t matter

Meanwhile I’ll pay literally a billion credits to fix a weapon stat imperfection

[fresh pike]

We all have that one game

Or multiple

[zinc phoenix]

I am bored of expedition mode

[fresh pike]

Already?

Granted, I haven't played it much yet

[zinc phoenix]

Ground out the purple version of the new armor but the lolrandom maps and total lack of exposition means it feels very repetitive and boring

Also because no one plays it on auric finding groups is assssssss

[fresh pike]

I see I see

[long saddle]

I'm still enjoying it

[zinc phoenix]

I spend so much time solo trying to help bots not get gooned by crushers

[long saddle]

I've just started to do quickplay and just going with whatever's handed to me

[wraith sphinx]

I'm having fun with expeditions but the lack of players is disheartening

[long saddle]

not looking to optimize everything too much

[frail oar]

Ill play it once they fix the crashing

[wraith sphinx]

I've unlocked all the gridzones, I'll play more of the mode when it gets refreshed

[zinc phoenix]

You can only quick play on one node it doesn’t QP into all of them I thought

[wraith sphinx]

no?

[zinc phoenix]

If I’m wrong I’m just gonna QP hero

[wraith sphinx]

quickplay chooses any random unlocked node lol

[winged compass]

not true ive QP'd into night and day meaning theres at least 2

[long saddle]

yeah

and I have all unlocked

[wraith sphinx]

same

[zinc phoenix]

Well QP solves the “where my group at” issue but not the boring ass maps

[wraith sphinx]

the dust vortexes are kinda cancer

[zinc phoenix]

Plus 99% want to do the easy maps

It’s the exact problem with horn of magnus in vt and why they implemented a totally different system in DT

[winged compass]

do yall play havoc?

[fresh pike]

Oh btw, what kind of curious are good for Psyker?

[zinc phoenix]

People pick the easy map and grind it eternally

[fresh pike]

I have 2 wounds + toughness

[winged compass]

cdr if you use bubble, if not anything to stay alive

[wraith sphinx]

too many people play in the low rad zone, it's boring and drags out the match to ~1 hour with a negligible increase in collected TR

[zinc phoenix]

I stopped after I got true survivor and the other cheevos because it was boring

[winged compass]

dawg wounds are ahhh, ANYTHING but wounds

[fresh pike]

Noted

[wraith sphinx]

3 toughness

[zinc phoenix]

Spend a day slowly grinding away at rotted fuckin armor

Beg for death by the end

[wraith sphinx]

I played during season 1 to get the black armor then mostly stopped

[fresh pike]

And the perks are just ability regen right?

[wraith sphinx]

it's awful and not fun

[winged compass]

a 3 stamina is nice for obj's and prob 2 tough cuz psyker is just so squishy you wont benefit from hp enough

for substats just run cdr, gunner res and more tough

[wraith sphinx]

of the perks I use cdr, stam regen and a combo of gunner resist, sniper resist and res speed

[winged compass]

sniper resist??

[wraith sphinx]

yes

I hate getting slimed by snipers

[zinc phoenix]

Also party finder gaming is ten truckloads of ass

[winged compass]

ig, but most of the time its like one sniper and you can just ping him and someone gets him

[fresh pike]

Aight I got 2 toughness and 1 stam now

[zinc phoenix]

I take corruption resist because being gassed pisses me off

[fresh pike]

That's what shield is for

[wraith sphinx]

no such luck in solo qp

[winged compass]

yes but hitting a genuine flowstate on havoc is pure dopamine

[rose osprey]

3x toughness curios. You should never get hit by snipers. You want corruption resist, gunner resist, bomber resist (works against both tox and fire bombers) and all the rest is sprint efficiency, block efficiency, and stamina regen.

[wraith sphinx]

you can't rely on dog ass teammates for anything you have to do everything yourself

[zinc phoenix]

Felt pretty much like any other game

[winged compass]

the only time i see it usable is auric maelstrom or the sniper modifier otherwise its just not good enough

[fresh pike]

And abilikty regen? Yay or nay?

[winged compass]

yes

[fresh pike]

Noted

[rose osprey]

no, it's waaay too little.

[zinc phoenix]

If I could quick play havoc I’d be fine playing it but dealing with party finder sucks

[wraith sphinx]

it has been for me, helps save me when I have to somehow dodge a mutant, a trapper and a sniper at the same time

[winged compass]

ability regen and gunner resist a lil bit of corrup res and one or two for whatever

[wraith sphinx]

yes, always. best curio perk for any class or build

[fresh pike]

Is corruption resist something for every curio or like 1 or 2

[winged compass]

ehhhh sometimes the value aint there

[winged compass]

1 or 2

[rose osprey]

Hard disagree. ability reduction It gives so little cd reduction it's almost never worth it in my opinion

[zinc phoenix]

Check the build pins

Six has sane and reasonable thoughts in there

[winged compass]

some ppl spec ally revive speed but only take it if you have cc to have the time to get ppl up

[wraith sphinx]

rez speed is slept on but also very class/build dependent

[fresh pike]

I have smite so I could be good for ally res

[winged compass]

no your asss at it

[wraith sphinx]

smth like psyker can get away with 1 or zero rez speed because you have KD

[winged compass]

just smite? let other ppl res

[zinc phoenix]

The best thing to do with smite is forget it is in the game

[fresh pike]

But I like the lightning ngl

[wraith sphinx]

generally speaking tho you should not risk getting yourself downed to pick someone else up, it just jeopardizes the run

[fresh pike]

True

[winged compass]

smite +electro staff is fun for me cuz its concentrated dmg and area

[wraith sphinx]

I only fullstack rez speed on my stealth vet because leave no one behind is a very funny talent and scum because standing still to rez someone is usually pretty dangerous as HS

[ripe obsidian]

Revive speed is great.

[long saddle]

psyker is prob the class I run the least revive speed on

compared to revive maxxers like ogryn or zealot

[wraith sphinx]

every other class I also run 1 or 2 rez speed. 0 on arby

[ripe obsidian]

My curios for H40 are:

3x 17% toughness
3x gunner resist
3x CDR (on shriek or shield)
2x revive speed
1x health (to get out of the 1-shot range of snipers and bursters)

For SG I often replace CDR with more toughness

[winged compass]

oh shit getting hp lets you get out of one tap??

[ripe obsidian]

At H40, yeah. Boosts you from 98 to 106, I think

Which is enough not to die instantly

[hollow jolt]

granted you have to not be fucked up but yes c:

[winged compass]

zealot until death...

[hollow jolt]

meanwhile ogryns can now dodge to facetank bursters UwU

[wraith sphinx]

psyker needs until death true

it will be balanced then

[ripe obsidian]

This is true.

[fresh pike]

Gonna try the build in mission now and see how I hold up

Got cooldown reduction, dr for corruption and gunners and toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Greeding for revives has ended many a run I should have been able to clutch

[wraith sphinx]

I still do it sometimes because I'm just that supportbrained

I'm also still fascinated with how few randoms are capable of looking around as they res and/or interrupting the res to dodge a sniper shot, net etc.

[kind jay]

3x rez is just fast enough to rez if you start directly after a sniper shot. i fucking love gambling

[barren arrow]

Varies wildly by ability

Aura + curios bring bubble from 60s to 40s
Then psykinetic's aura talent brings that to more like 30~

That said, shriek is less useful on, gaze is far far less useful on

[ripe obsidian]

Not counting other sources of cooldown, 12% CDR on Shriek is still 3.6 seconds. That's significant

[rich spindle]

NAHHHHH

3x RES CURIO

GO FOR EVERY RES

IF YOU DIE ITS LAG

[wraith sphinx]

Understood, thank you sal 🫡

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark servers are always to blame

[rich spindle]

and if its not lag its a warmup

simple

had 6 warmup games today then got a w first try

[cosmic cobalt]

should i use fgs special at 1 or 2 stack @ripe obsidian

also i found out which one have bugged icon

also does warp splitting affect warp slice

[ripe obsidian]

1 stack should clear non-21st trash mobs with stuff like Malefic Momentum up. I believe the special has infinite cleave, so Warp Splitting won't help

[cosmic cobalt]

so its just falloff?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I think so

[rich spindle]

imo it’s tempting to use the 1 stack on trash mobs as soon as you get it

But unless they need to die immediately it’s better to kill them slower and build to 2 stacks

[ripe obsidian]

This is fair

Using it at 1 stack can help upkeep MM

[rich spindle]

Wait

I forgot about that

Oops

[spice aurora]

for a couple months ive gone back and forth every single game at 1 charge vs 2

subjectively i like 1 charge more now for trash, 2 sometimes depending

with 1 charge you have enough damage to slide into the horde and refund 25-50% of a full bar, which often times may give you a half bar back instantly

so its one charge, swing like 3-4 times and u can charge again

or

one charge...but keep swinging over n over until max charge and then swing

both kinda similar but i like the versatility of almost refunding a half charge and using it immediately again xd

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-notes-gif-2324709437568081234

[spice aurora]

@verbal thistle i want to dclaw vs carapace but after that one time i parry overhead same-ish time as trash mob and die, im scared and now i let team deal w carapace

how to overcome fear

[ripe obsidian]

There is danger ahead.
But do not be afraid.
For I am with you like breath itself.
Darkness will lead to light - colour will bleed into the night.
Beautiful colours, the like of which you
have never seen. Let the dream of confusion lead you into the virgin light!
Be gone!
Be all-seeing, be brave...
Be gone!

That is how.

Source - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iXaBTMq-aFY

[spice aurora]

i will run up to rotted armor packs and stand in the middle and spam parry now

[ripe obsidian]

Good. I have faith in you

[verbal thistle]

pray to server lag

[spice aurora]

i kneel to u sweden, pls let me contribute vs carapace

[rich spindle]

Prayer heard, sending 4 silent Moebian backshots

[spice aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[rich spindle]

No backstab sound is triggering more than silent dogs

[tiny cove]

Anyone mess around with the 3 burst vigi auto lately?

[rich spindle]

Getting womped by trash mobs feels so insulting

[tiny cove]

How is it?

[ripe obsidian]

Worse than getting kicked by a flamer?

[ripe obsidian]

Path's pinned guide in the vet channel is probably the best source of info about that weapon. I've not seen any Psykers try it

It's probably decent? Just matched up against some really good other options

[rich spindle]

I respect the flamer kung fu now

They are dangerous foes

[pale prairie]

How about getting downed by a tox bomber kick?

[spice aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/captian-morgan-luffy-kick-one-piece-anime-gif-24431192

flamer / sniper kicks b liek

[radiant frigate]

how about getting kicked by a friend

[pale prairie]

Never been kicked before

U?

[radiant frigate]

i have

but only on uprising

twice

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-and-mocha-bear-couple-bear-hug-kick-shut-up-gif-17443923

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mod-discord-kick-mute-gif-495505587681287181

[ripe obsidian]

How dare you use the s-word toward me

Unless it's in the D&D sense

In which case, carry on

[crisp ether]

So I'm not the only one noticing that backstab cues are like

Severely fucked right now

[kind jay]

Six is a progressive rock enjoyer, and thus immune to bans

sorry i dont make the rules

[crisp ether]

Everything about this game is just getting progressively more inconsistent and it's gotten really bad since the major update

I saw like

8 gunners just spawn right in front of me last night and my computer froze for a solid second when it happened

Without frame gen on lol

[ripe obsidian]

I am, in fact, a progressive rock enjoyer. Have crossed the Atlantic more than once to attend concerts and festivals

[tiny cove]

ill take a look

[kind jay]

thats awesome

[ripe obsidian]

Was it on refinery? Top of the elevator after the mid event?

[white sky]

You like Strawberry Girls?

[ripe obsidian]

It's the only vacation I ever take, and only every few years. But it's so worth it

[ripe obsidian]

I do. They're funky.

[white sky]

Agreed, fun sound.

[ripe obsidian]

There's another, similar musician I found recently, but the name escapes me at the moment

[rich spindle]

I thought it was just moebian but it’s happened with ragers a few times

[ripe obsidian]

Will send it to you if I find it again

[white sky]

Tbh I'm not sure what I listen to that's truly prog vs something else

[ripe obsidian]

Eh, it's not necessary to put things into genre boxes

[white sky]

It helps sometimes

I listen to a lot of music

[ripe obsidian]

It can help when finding similar music or explaining it to others, yeah

[white sky]

Exactly

[kind jay]

i grew up on prog cause thats what my dad listened to all day. he had thousands of CDs

[ripe obsidian]

Found it. Syncatto is the musician/band I was thinking of, I believe

[white sky]

Lemme see

[ripe obsidian]

My dad listens to a lot of 70s-90s metal and grunge. In high school I discovered Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime, then went from that to Dream Theater, and it was all prog from there

[white sky]

I grew up on a lot of 80s thrash and rap tbh

Eventually grew into uh

[crisp ether]

Nah it's been happening with even regular walkers

[white sky]

Idk there isn't much I don't listen to tbh

[white sky]

I like Blossom

[crisp ether]

Got downed last night by a random walker just chilling behind me

No sound at all

[white sky]

I'm a fan of Exotic Animal Petting Zoo if you know them

[ripe obsidian]

I listen to like 70% assorted prog stuff, and the other 30% is electro swing, classical/orchestral, video game soundtracks, grunge, etc.

[white sky]

They're prog mixed with post hardcore

[ripe obsidian]

I do not know of Exotic Animal Petting Zoo

I shall give them a listen

[white sky]

They might be harder than you normally like

https://open.spotify.com/track/6cUfVUXmJ2xh5PbUBRPccN?si=QJPqoiAsTlqnFTPNAuO8jw

[kind jay]

i like prog, power metal, synthwave, vidya game stuff as well. ill mostly listen to anything

[white sky]

You like Mascarpone?

[ripe obsidian]

The vocals are definitely rougher than I prefer. The music itself is good. I tend to bounce off of screaming vocals

[white sky]

Love em tbh

[ripe obsidian]

I like heavy stuff, I just strongly prefer clean vocals.

An example of fairly heavy: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lgNGNhxYnQM&si=fez0mN1427JiQ9CR

Or https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=YrfO9FY_HZE&si=Z1EXGDVRrJPGZWem

[white sky]

Yeah, power metally if you will

[kind jay]

dont recognize the name

[white sky]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3CTCq5KkL2Od9jVDCrTQra?si=I_UheLQLQhiwSsavFqNenA

[kind jay]

i pulled one up on yt and i could get behind this

[ripe obsidian]

Power metal is fun

[white sky]

French dude, does electronic music

[kind jay]

yoo french dudes who do electro are the best

[white sky]

Idk what in my current rotation even has clean vocals tbh

The closest would defo be HEALTH

They're industrial tho

Maybe Gunship

[kind jay]

https://youtu.be/HZAcht1iOzU?si=WifY0whqEQQCmh3b

[white sky]

Kinda reminds me of Dio

[kind jay]

Dio is good

[crisp ether]

Nah not refinery

It's one of the Throneside maps but I forgot which one

The one with the medicae before that spiral staircase downward into the mid objective with the Auspex

With the elevator that crashes in between the staircases

[ripe obsidian]

Logistratum

[crisp ether]

Went down and at the drop a wall of gunners just popped from the Warp out of nowhere, I froze and next thing I know I'm down to like 4 health before I back off

[ripe obsidian]

Is in Chasm Terminus, not Throneside

[crisp ether]

I thought Throneside was basically the name for that subset of maps as a whole

But maybe I'm wrong

🤷‍♀️

But yeah this game is

I would like for them to actually hold off on content at this point because this game is in severe need of bug fixing and optimization

It was already annoying before the update but by God its actually like, full on falling apart with how bad it is now

[ripe obsidian]

Ya goof. Are you insinuating, against all available evidence, against all common sense, that the tilesets in this game are similar?!

[crisp ether]

Yes.

[ripe obsidian]

Well

You're right

[crisp ether]

Seriousness though. The content is here. It took a while to get this game as fleshed out as it is but now it really needs help because its getting to the point I got to with Helldivers 2

Where it's not excitement about new content

But worry because of what that new content will mean in terms of the new bugs and performance troubles that come with it

[ripe obsidian]

I agree. But I fear their engine experts have quit, retired, or are working on other projects. And it doesn't make sense to train up new employees on a dead engine.

[crisp ether]

True

Would be nice to get them for the moment just to touch up

Some things

Because the frame gen thing is the big deal right now but I assure you, once that's fixed, we're just going to see a lot more of the bugs that are happening regardless of having that on or not

Oh and I guess expeditions crashing decently often

[rich spindle]

https://youtu.be/1737WkBPs5o?si=4bjj3lFkkI1qki7J

The greatest song ever made

[thorn cedar]

No they're very much still around lol

Fatshark is this engine. it's their engine.

They can't not have the experts around because they literally are the owners and experts of the engine.

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark made the engine in like 2012, sold it to Autodesk in like 2014, then Autodesk killed it in 2019

So yeah, they made it

But it's been 15ish years

The experts might have gone elsewhere, gotten different jobs, or are working on different projects internally

[thorn cedar]

I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out what a company running two live service games on Game Engine A with people who have worked on Game Engine A for 15+ years will do when they encounter a problem on Game Engine A but have shifted those people to other projects.

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I work for a tech company.

And I can tell you it's not that simple.

Even if it should be

[zinc phoenix]

Me when I try to read code I wrote more than a week ago: 😕

I’ve been doing software for 15 years. I’ve literally had moments where I was like “who wrote this shit” and then looked at the git blame and saw it was me 😂

And that’s not some rare thing in software. if you move people off a project that they’ve worked on for years their knowledge decays fast because a) they gotta learn new stuff b) the other codebase changes in ways they don’t know about c) they forget shit

[autumn scarab]

okay im back homne now

[verbal thistle]

welcome backa to psyker chat

how can we help you

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5Ut9SfWgAAdkzq.gif

[autumn scarab]

I love that I can’t actually test destiny in meat grinder

[verbal thistle]

[ripe obsidian]

Are you the big kitty in this gif?

[ripe obsidian]

Can ye mod?

[autumn scarab]

So, question

Doesn't Tranq through Slaughter just let you stay in Scrier's forver?

[calm yoke]

no cause scriers peril build up ramps up

its not a flat amount/sec

eventually its so fast that the moment you stop to reload it immediately fills to 100%

not that its bad to put passive peril quelling in your build, you can still extend it a lot and effectively chain scriers to scriers with psykinetic aura proccing enough times

[thorn cedar]

BCoB you can basically go forever

There's also a ramping decrease effect for kill sprees and shit, it's a weird ability but we love it

[dusk timber]

500 more buffs to scrier's gaze

[thorn cedar]

i just cant in good conscience leave my positive review up all while knowing that scriers gaze still doesnt offer global attack speed (ramping with duration)

[ripe obsidian]

I can't believe SG doesn't provide gold toughness. Psyker can't generate gold toughness at all!

All overhealed toughness while in SG should become gold for you and allies in coherency, sorta like SotT in VT2

[kind jay]

and make shriek work in a 360 area because come on its not like the guys behind me cant hear me yelling

and apply max stacks every time because im just that angry

should set my own team on fire too. im fair like that.

[ripe obsidian]

Why are we limited to 6 stacks? Why not instant 31?

[pale prairie]

Lmao turn psyker shriek into flamer grenade

[ripe obsidian]

Make Shriek instantly kill me to apply 31 stacks to all enemies

[kind jay]

could make the other shriek node apply a super blazing spirit buff? every single hit applies X amount of stacks?

including ranged of course weeee

[dusk timber]

Shriek really doenst need buffs lol

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker too weak

Everything about it needs buffs

[dusk timber]

Voidstrike tho

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike needs to be buffed into a BFG

[kind jay]

combine voidstrike and blast into one. every time the projectile collides it does a blast

and shocks everything. and sets it on fire.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not sure that's strong enough. I think it could still use some buffs

[kind jay]

the alt fire shoots out fgs

[dusk timber]

Weapon special instantly applies the 32-bit integer limit stacks of soulblaze on all enemies on the map

[ripe obsidian]

Now we're talking

[kind jay]

why stop at mapwide? it should affect every ongoing lobby

[ripe obsidian]

Scrier's Gaze should render you immune to damage because you foresee it all

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/diavolo-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-epitaph-king-crimson-gif-14057023917120428650

[kind jay]

can it also force everyones camera to face you so they can witness your glory?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, of course. Replace your gameplay with a Tool-Assisted Speedrun bot, even. Why waste time? You foresaw the perfect path

[sly flint]

Another questions for Malleus Monstronum, I only need to do it once, yems?

[jovial juniper]

Idk

Warp Rupture could get a stagger buff

Definitely not spoiled by the Mortis Trial enhancement

That tumbles everything