psyker-class

[verbal thistle]

But hey I'm not a game balancer

[rich spindle]

Yep, you diagnosed it correctly

But they’re not reducing power creep

Ever

Enemy spam is here to stay

[verbal thistle]

Indeed

The game engine is suffering

[rich spindle]

Silent dogs are now part of the game. I accept them

[verbal thistle]

Bursters who give hugs

[pale prairie]

Don’t worry the dead guy on comms will warn you

[rich spindle]

Completely silent mobian 21st with no backstab sounds

[radiant frigate]

shroudfield crushers

[rich spindle]

We get silent monstrosities now too

[long saddle]

wasn't ogryn solo the meta in havoc 1.0 or something

[verbal thistle]

Always has been

Funny silent Cspawn grab from behind

[long saddle]

I've seen one on archivum

[verbal thistle]

Archivum isn't real

[rich spindle]

Ogryn was incredibly hard to play in 1.0 with the trash shooters that instagibbed everyone

[long saddle]

ye

[rich spindle]

I think 2.0 was when ogryn got buffed and became the easiest class in the game

[long saddle]

I played with a few that were great still tho

[rich spindle]

You could survive if you were a perfect player

[pale prairie]

I remember the discussions around Ogryn being trash cause of the 1.0 shooters. I was safe in bubble

[rich spindle]

I think part of it was everyone not being used to havoc difficulty yet

Still in auric mindset

[pale prairie]

Maybe….the shooters were scarier but the spawns were more controlled and modifiers way different

Also no rituals and no hp buffs

[rich spindle]

It felt…. Wonky

[pale prairie]

It was hectic but super fun. Also voidstrike was havoc 40 viable

[pale prairie]

It felt like instant death if positioned poorly hahaha

https://tenor.com/view/bow-arrows-shoot-hit-gif-12968662

[ripe obsidian]

I remember standing behind a corner and watching a wall of lasers fly past

Wondering how the fuck we were gonna move forward

[spice aurora]

vet with agrip braced on damnation carried so hard xd

[slate ledge]

:3

[ripe obsidian]

A wild Katze appeared

[pale prairie]

Average shriek psyker in havoc 1.0

[ripe obsidian]

It has been a while since I saw you online. How fare ye?

[slate ledge]

I was out and about

just got back like 2 days ago

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly played Zealot in the first season of Havoc, then bubble Psyker. I swapped to Shriek a bit later.

[ripe obsidian]

Welcome back. There's a new game mode, and havoc can be on fire now.

[slate ledge]

yea i noticed

we got to havoc 40 in like the first 4 hours lol

[ripe obsidian]

Also apparently the hot fix today means enemies spawn in the starting areas of Havoc maps, which is very funny.

[pale prairie]

Glorious times

[ripe obsidian]

I'm still sitting at H36 or something with like a 50% winrate. But I have also been accepting people with like H20 clearance to my games, so

[pale prairie]

Wait havoc on fire?

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno environmental modifier

[pale prairie]

What the fuck

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not good enough to rush H40 like Katze. D:

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[slate ledge]

We had a crazy team

[pale prairie]

Where can I read the modifier?

[pale prairie]

Nice at level 21 right now so just a bit more and I can drag your havoc team

[slate ledge]

I haven't gotten inferno yet just blight

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-day-will-come-you're-day-will-come-newman-seinfeld-gif-86690591359087025

[ripe obsidian]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Inferno

[ripe obsidian]

I also haven't actually played Psyker yet. I've done an all-ogryn team, gun arby, and melee scum

[pale prairie]

Oh the event returns

[ripe obsidian]

So I have kinda been limiting myself

[ripe obsidian]

I need people to carry me to 40. I am too heavy

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/isnt-even-my-final-form-gif-11810117

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-im-so-useles-im-so-sorry-anime-gif-11496396

[ripe obsidian]

I am sometimes not useless on Psyker and Arby, and rarely on Scum. Put me on any other class and I am a liability

[pale prairie]

No psyker is the liability

I don’t think this guy darktides lol

[ripe obsidian]

Never heard of it before

[open oriole]

yall, is there abug for fgs wmk 6 right now?

[pale prairie]

Describe

[open oriole]

i cant seem to get it to do pish attack

it just spamps pushes or goes rightinto either a lgiht or heavy

[pale prairie]

Do you use skitarius?

[open oriole]

yup

but its happening when i do or dont

[ripe obsidian]

I do not know of a bug

[open oriole]

anyone will ing to try recreating it?

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I've used FGS and seen people using FGS since the patch

[open oriole]

so have i, but i just noticed tihs

it works on mark 8 with not trouble

[ripe obsidian]

this is mk6

[open oriole]

thats jsut the push isnt it

[ripe obsidian]

no

That's the push attack

[open oriole]

cuz when i spam push thats what i get

exactly that

does 1 damage

[ripe obsidian]

that is the push attack

Yes.

Pushes do not do damage

[open oriole]

not push

[ripe obsidian]

force sword push attacks are an 8m shove that does 1 damage

[open oriole]

are we talknig about same tihng

not rightclick+left clck

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know how else I can tell you that this is the push attack.

[open oriole]

right click + left click, letting go of right click but holding left.

so mark 6 doesnt have a push attack, jsut a push

[ripe obsidian]

this is the push attack

Mk8 has the same push attack

So do all 3 1-handed force swords

[open oriole]

mk8 does a stab my guy

[ripe obsidian]

THAT'S NOT THE PUSH ATTACK

that's a follow-up heavy

[thorn cedar]

lol it is kinda confusing

the big push is the sword's push attack

it happens to have a heavy attack you can follow up with after that push attack

[open oriole]

im doing the 8 meter push with out doing the input for push attack as it functions on every other weapon in the game

[thorn cedar]

this is a unique function of just this weapon

[open oriole]

i getcha, im just saying, the push input gets me that

[radiant frigate]

if you hold it yeah

What

what does this sentence mean

[thorn cedar]

does the 6 get the stab after the PA

i dont really use it that much

[open oriole]

sweep

[thorn cedar]

yeah i think only the 8 has the unique function

[open oriole]

then downward strike, it seem to pick up the last two hits of the light chain

[thorn cedar]

for 6 its just a regualr ass swing

[open oriole]

you understand my condfusion here

like sorry six, its not my fault that this was designed by an ape on ketamine

[thorn cedar]

it was funny to read

[open oriole]

and he's been sick

the ape i mean

[thorn cedar]

"No no the push attack is just the push, the attack part is not a push attack"

[open oriole]

he shouldnt be doing ketamine with his constitution

i get having psyker have a high skill floor and knoweldge checks

but this was frankly silly

[thorn cedar]

nah this is jsut semantics

[ripe obsidian]

No

[radiant frigate]

i still do not understand the confusion

[ripe obsidian]

Mk6 has the stab as H2 instead

[thorn cedar]

no big stabby after the PA on MK6 like the MK8, thought it was supposed to have it

thats really it

[ripe obsidian]

Mk6 has a hidden heavy after L3

[radiant frigate]

the forbidden sweep

[open oriole]

with everyo ther weapon in the game, besides the fs and fgs, push attack is a unique attack that does look its sometihng, where as the push attack looks like how a push looks for most things

that was my confusion

[thorn cedar]

yea

force swords have a BIG push as the push attack instead

[open oriole]

so pushatttack, l l h?

[thorn cedar]

MK8 just also happens to have a heavy or light follow up stab after that push attack

[ripe obsidian]

this is the hidden heavy for mk6

[radiant frigate]

probably same as mk8 h1

[ripe obsidian]

It makes the horde clear combo feel nicer

instead of spamming lmb or doing block cancel

[radiant frigate]

Yes

wondering if i should pick warp-splitting back up

[ripe obsidian]

If you're starting from push attack, it's PA > L > H

Otherwise it's L > L > L > H

PA goes into L3

[open oriole]

is the last heavy the vertical then?

[ripe obsidian]

actually, no, the L after PA is special as well

[thorn cedar]

bring out the flow chart

[open oriole]

please yes

[ripe obsidian]

The L after PA is more horizontal

[open oriole]

i was looknig for it early

[ripe obsidian]

this is the best I have

[spice aurora]

i feel like the cleave sucks on the hidden heavy but idk i still do it but when i dont do it, the rate at which my special bar goes up is imperceptible

[thorn cedar]

seeing this shit gives me the same feeling i got walking into science class for the first time in grade 6, seeing the absolute mess of information the periodic table is, and then being told we were gonna learn all about it

[frail oar]

The hidden heavy for horde clear! I find it helps to know after your swing from bottom right to top left you can heavy and resume lights until you see that swing profile again.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's quite good

[frail oar]

Much better than light spam.

[thorn cedar]

same, i just didnt use it at all, but im a based MK8 enjoyer

[frail oar]

But I've started to prefer the other mark feels easier to farm for special attack

[ripe obsidian]

I am curious if the light after PA has a different damage profile. It's way more horizontal

[thorn cedar]

man i wish wartide was still being updated

[zealous wing]

here

[spice aurora]

also for solo vs a lot of stuff like dreg ragers / trash, L1 block, push, L1 repeat

very safe and naise

[thorn cedar]

hmmm yes the chemical composition of nitrosulfamate

[ripe obsidian]

hero

[radiant frigate]

this is a great summary of what psyker chat is and does

[open oriole]

thank you lol

trying to get this shit to work in skitarisu to save my arthritic ass hands has been a trial

[pale prairie]

Oh I didn’t know fourth swing could be a heavy sweep that’s nice

[open oriole]

the pushattack confusion was just confusing the shit out of me lol

ive been doing the 4th sweep without meaning to for a while apparently

[ripe obsidian]

It's very helpful

[pale prairie]

Why….why would you drop it?

[pale prairie]

Yeah can be definitely. But I was getting by with 3 lights and cancel

[radiant frigate]

with the ebb and flow of sg/bcob i did not feel like it added much

[pale prairie]

The fourthlight chop down was pretty good at elite killing too

[radiant frigate]

with shriek i would totally run it

[pale prairie]

Oh right you are a bone breaking savage

[ripe obsidian]

it is the BIG chop

[radiant frigate]

and truth is i only run bcob because i also run jad

and quietude

funny self-replicating energy shield

[pale prairie]

You can run JAD and warpsplitting

Nothing is stopping you

[radiant frigate]

tru tru

i could drop immaterial focus

[pale prairie]

I have all of tank side of tree and warpsplitting

Let’s me survive for clutches

[thorn cedar]

i have all that and mind in motion

[open oriole]

alright

[thorn cedar]

maybe my trees just have more talent points

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-you-speak-heresy-warhammer-40k-what-did-you-say-don't-say-that-gif-3570587536222968742

[open oriole]

would yall take a look at this "we have zealot at home" build

[pale prairie]

No way EXPLOITS, MIND IN MOTIONER?!?!

[radiant frigate]

probably

level 40 psyker

[pale prairie]

Honestly psyker makes better zealot these days. The warpslice is too good

[radiant frigate]

zealot is still cool though

relic blade good

but force bigsword more gooder

[open oriole]

x3 of the curio

[radiant frigate]

ok number one is you skipped perfect timing

free 15% damage is not to be sneezed at

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/e95651f667b47f459815c2a2649d274284526de7/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L387

Big chop ^

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/e95651f667b47f459815c2a2649d274284526de7/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L49

Light chop ^

[open oriole]

i like it but i wanted to have cleave and attack speed too

trying to figure out where else to draw from

[radiant frigate]

10% peril resist node is meh without it being a pathing node
purloin providence is also meh as there are better talents if you seek quelling (bcob)

[pale prairie]

Switch stamina gen for ability cooldown or health buff. Psyker has very good stamina regen already

[thorn cedar]

purloin just sucks period

[radiant frigate]

souldrinker is... where even is soulblaze in this build

AH.

[open oriole]

sword

[radiant frigate]

blazing spirit fgs

i recommend you do not do that

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lmfao-too-funny-i-cant-even-gif-19198675

[radiant frigate]

fgs crits have this nasty habit of killing things on impact

fgs crits that kill on impact, do not apply soulblaze

[open oriole]

did not know that

[radiant frigate]

as the target needs to be alive for that to happen

[open oriole]

that makes sense

swapping that out for perfect timing

[pale prairie]

Unstable power on FgS is much better. It gives 20% power above like 80ish peril I think. The word tooltip is deceptive

[radiant frigate]

missing out on malefic momentum also makes me sad

[open oriole]

fair

[pale prairie]

It got buffed

[open oriole]

didnt know that either

[ripe obsidian]

it's like 2x the damage. I think the cleave is the same, tho

[radiant frigate]

no i know but it is not in the tree our sibling posted

[pale prairie]

Also riposte is great but if you find yourself boss fighting shred is better/more reliable

[pale prairie]

I know it adds to our mutual sad

[open oriole]

swap out -10% peril for that?

[pale prairie]

The time the stacks last is 10 seconds now instead of 8

[radiant frigate]

swap out -10% peril for.. something
swap out battle meditation for perfect timing
swap out bb for assail
highly recommend empathic evasion since it basically declares "you need to be at least this close to hurt me" when fighting during SG

swap out souldrinker for malefic momentum

[open oriole]

this build heavily relyis on kinetic flayer for special clear in mixed crowds

plus i dont love assail

but the rest sounds good

[radiant frigate]

then you may consider a staff for the purposes of MM

it is what i have been doing

[open oriole]

the las pistol does better than you would think for that with the heavy crit reliance

[radiant frigate]

worthy of note that you lose out on the mobility of laspistol this way

[pale prairie]

I can see you what you’re going for here but I highly suggest no BB since you don’t have PC. BM I don’t think is worth it. I think assail is better for sword builds and I also think BCOB is not really worth on SG builds. You can extend stacks by holding quell anyway if you need and the cooldown is so low you’ll be able to use SG again after a couple seconds

[open oriole]

thats what its there for hoenstly

[radiant frigate]

the laspistol does not do warp damage

[open oriole]

wait hold on

im getting mixed up

las pistol builds upo malefic, but i thoguht so do regular sweeps of fgs

or is all fgs warp

[radiant frigate]

well yes, the +warp damage part of it
not the +nonwarp part

fgs special is warp

rest nonwarp

[open oriole]

kientic flayer is warp no

?

[pale prairie]

You need to swap between warp damage and no warp

[radiant frigate]

yes but that is a long enough cd to not go beyond 1 stack of mm

mm lasts 10s
kf cd is.. 12?

[pale prairie]

12 seconds is longer than 10 seconds

[radiant frigate]

so you need some other source of warp

if you can keep it up with fgs special, go for it, but i deem it unlikely

kf is also not always a killing blow

[open oriole]

beamsword are about every, i dunno 6-7 seconds.

ohhhhh

i jsut remembered why souldrinker is in here

warp damage

[pale prairie]

Swap warpspeed for warp unbound. After hitting 100% peril spam assail with warpsplitting and you do crazy damage into hordes

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian wall hurts you in solo

[open oriole]

i getcha but i dont really want to have to deal with three swaps, with this its only between las and sword, assail is a whole other flow disrupter

[pale prairie]

Then go back to melee with MM stacks ready to go and rinse and repeat

[ripe obsidian]

I love it.

[open oriole]

iod be down to try it for another build

just the ponit of this is head empty go fast

[radiant frigate]

with assail you would just be switching between sword and assail

[pale prairie]

Yes

[open oriole]

las pistol make go fast

[radiant frigate]

laspistol being reserved for bosses/reapers

and running

[open oriole]

assial no make go fast

[pale prairie]

With las pistol for moving and specials

[open oriole]

yup

[pale prairie]

BB no go fast

[open oriole]

bb no come out

kinetic flayer come out

literally it

[pale prairie]

Damn 2 points for one special every 12 seconds?

Aight

[open oriole]

i getcha

but i dont really run smite and assail requires longer than i want to mess with

[radiant frigate]

unironically i do this too

[pale prairie]

My siblings

[open oriole]

it boost fgs lethality over the match a lot

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-a-sharp-pain-right-here-pointing-to-chest-heart-attack-in-pain-hurt-gif-15608479

[thorn cedar]

Test it again but with EP

I wonder if it'll kill you outright

[radiant frigate]

• is funny if you just use a raw fgs special in the vague direction of a sniper and it has its head explode

[open oriole]

yup

[radiant frigate]

or on occasion you almost onetap a crusher

[open oriole]

so bm is in there to extend scryers, as was -10 percent peril

[pale prairie]

I mean boost FGS lethality on one dude every 12 sec or boost overall lethality into a horde and get mm stacks maxed which super boost FGS lethality for 10 sec

[radiant frigate]

you do not need the trifecta of bcob bm purloin for that

bcob alone is more than enough

[radiant frigate]

that is what my surge surge is for

[open oriole]

essentially with this i spend about 90% of the match in scryers, which is the main goal of the build

[pale prairie]

I will standby that it is an extra point that could be used elsewhere

[pale prairie]

You can do that without peril quelling talents

[radiant frigate]

if i do not get kf then i do not need to pick bb

[pale prairie]

The cooldown is so low

[open oriole]

i reemphasize, tihs is for tired brain and to limit as much thinking as possible, but i getcha

[pale prairie]

Literally I can play a match and have 1 second of downtime maybe between SG casts with an average 15-20 stacks

[open oriole]

you are probably a lot better at this class/game than i am

[pale prairie]

You could do it I bet but you asked for my opinion

🤷‍♂️

[open oriole]

not trying to pick fights, im jsut saying so far ive had to get the help to keep it up

phrasing

[pale prairie]

At least switch out the fire blessing that doesn’t work

[open oriole]

i did do that

[pale prairie]

[open oriole]

fire blessing is gone

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/corey-dorris-black-friday-starkid-team-starkid-see-gif-23405700

[open oriole]

does soul balze count towards warp kills for MM

because some major asumptions aroudn that were happening when i initally built this

also do i neeeed mind in motion here?

[pale prairie]

I am unsure but if it does the problem is the unreliability of quick kills in succession/not being the final damage tic

[pale prairie]

Nooooooooo

[open oriole]

becuase thats a point i can free up

[pale prairie]

You have quelling talents and las pistols

So you probably are not quelling really and if you need to move you just weapon swap yeah?

[open oriole]

fair

and i need defences at 80 for push attacks on fgs right? instead of warp resist being 60

[pale prairie]

I would also suggest thinking about if you want BM. It’s pretty unreliable and perfect timing is a wonderful source of damage increase for everything

[open oriole]

lemme post what ive got rn

[pale prairie]

You typically want warp resist dump for FGs

[open oriole]

thats what i thoguht, but i couldnt rememeber if idefences is viable

[pale prairie]

Defense I THINK can affect dodge distance. You can inspect the weapon stats in depth in game it should tell you

[open oriole]

i think youre correct

need every drop i can squeeze there

[pale prairie]

The last thing I would think about is BM being dropped for either Perfect Timing for damage increase for your whole kit, Vulnerable minds, or Empathic Evasion

Depending on what you feel you need

[open oriole]

already have pt with this new set up

if soulblaze kills count towards mm i could maybe chuck on perilous combustion

[pale prairie]

Can you path to it?

[open oriole]

i find i slide enough that i really dont notice much benefit to ee most of the time

easy, if i keep bm

id lost the -10 peril passive

if id lost*

[pale prairie]

Yeah if you really want to keep BB I would 100% suggest PC

Makes KF that much better. Helps with horde clear etc

Also means anytime you merc an elite or special you are getting some extra damage

[open oriole]

shame i cant seem to get to wildfire

[pale prairie]

Eh not worth it if you aren’t shrieking

[open oriole]

just thoguht it might help keep mm up

[pale prairie]

The wildfire stack spread will be minimal with just PC. The big problem is that I think the soulblaze has to be the actual thing that kills something to provide MM

[open oriole]

fair

[pale prairie]

But ya know the Ogryn or scum who just Merced the on fire poxwalker just stole your mm stack

[open oriole]

since mm will be low, maybe vm would be stronger?

like i know mm is strong, but until psyker has a dang harry potter wand staves just slwo the whloe build down so much

[pale prairie]

Ehhhhh maaaaaybe. You can get MM stacks for sure by 1 bar warpslicing into chaff then swinging melee sword into chaff and cycling the two

I would test this out first and see how MM ends up shaking out

[open oriole]

fair

[pale prairie]

If it’s real low then VM for sure

[open oriole]

ii may lose the center lower node on dd

and put it on vm

[pale prairie]

Yeah I agree with that one

[open oriole]

fair

ill do that and then see how it goes

thanks for the help

also psyker wand when

that shit woiuld be so silly lookin

[pale prairie]

If you have trouble keeping DD high then you can also do cruel fortune. Las pistol is very good at grabbing stacks with headshots

Also would build up your MM right before a possible warpslice

[pale prairie]

I want some kind of polearm force weapon first

[open oriole]

i had it before, and i do like it

[pale prairie]

Yeah if you are good at keeping stacks high it isn’t needed

[open oriole]

ah, psyker, forever in need of one more point for an ideal build

i do like that this lets me hit ogryns and bosses with just sword more, but also build up burn quickly with las pistol for some extra hp shaving

[pale prairie]

Every class

[open oriole]

true

if they'd let me lose 10% hp for one more point up to three times, i would do it every time

like 100% no question

i could make my vet builds that final extra bit nasty

[pale prairie]

Yeah I think you’ll notice a difference just with actually having a second blessing lmao

[open oriole]

for real i had no idea it wasnt triggering

[pale prairie]

Because why wouldn’t it!?

Someday the flame sword build will work with more than just PC

[wraith sphinx]

fellas is it just me or are commodore's vestures broken? I can't browse any of the pages past the first

[open oriole]

right?

[pale prairie]

Arbites and scum has no extra cosmetics /s

They hotfixed today I wonder if it broke the shop. I haven’t tried yet

[white sky]

The first time I opened shop on update it did that

[zealous wing]

not me

[zealous mango]

you using mods?

I had that issue until i had to updated the commodore cosmetics related mods

[wraith sphinx]

yea thats prolly it

man I gotta take a lil break from expeditions already

every match tonight has been hell

[cosmic cobalt]

💀 we don't need more psyker buff

[pale prairie]

? Bugs still?

[ripe obsidian]

just for that, SG now regenerates health and toughness

[cosmic cobalt]

scrier's gaze will instantly kill the ai that did balancing for this game

[wraith sphinx]

no just noobs on auric

no crash besides the one I experienced thankfully

[ripe obsidian]

invite me, and I shall save ye from the noobs

(unless I am a noob myself)

(in which case, suffer)

[pale prairie]

Don’t invite him

He only uses inferno which is broken

[ripe obsidian]

I was gonna play Barktide actually

[wraith sphinx]

inferno on expeditions? bold

okay six I'll invite you

you'll receive a cordial invitation from a nefarious being whose name begins with T

[pale prairie]

I know I really want to see that play out in the big open areas

[ripe obsidian]

I haven't played inferno for a while. Been on a surge surge + shriek kick

[wraith sphinx]

are you ingame rn?

[ripe obsidian]

I am in the game, yes

In the mourningstar

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/neo-plugging-to-matrix-gif-20199605

[craggy pebble]

They extended the dome shield timer for what purpose? It honestly felt needless

[wraith sphinx]

ok gimme a sec

[ripe obsidian]

because telemetry shows that 90% of psyker players use bubble

[wraith sphinx]

it dominates the psyker build meta, as fatshark explained

[craggy pebble]

And so what?

They made something good

That works

[ripe obsidian]

And so they want people to use something else.

[craggy pebble]

Why?

[ripe obsidian]

Because that's how balance works

[craggy pebble]

Make better alternatives

[wraith sphinx]

they are better though

shield is boring

[ripe obsidian]

bubble is already the weakest of psyker's abilities lol

it was the weakest before the nerf

[craggy pebble]

They fundamentally made the game harder to remove the option of them to design smarter

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek and SG are both absurdly strong.

??? nerfing bubble doesn't make the game harder

[wraith sphinx]

literal skill issue

anyways @ripe obsidian let's go play

[craggy pebble]

It’s a skill issue on Fatshark

They don’t want to put in the work to make smarter enemies. It’s a crap metric that nerfs a talent that was often poorly used and rarely implemented well.

[ripe obsidian]

So you're saying that if something is being picked 90% of the time, it is balanced and everything else is wrong? Got it.

@wraith sphinx crashed

[wraith sphinx]

rip

[craggy pebble]

I’m saying that spreadsheet balancing ignores nuance in favor of reinforcing metas. 90% of zealots shoot a gun at some point, so maybe we should make them all reload 25% slower.

[jovial juniper]

Based

[radiant frigate]

we should make JaD baseline just to piss some people off

[ripe obsidian]

...bubble is the meta

nerfing it, by definition, does not reinforce the meta

pretty sure the balance choices aren't just made by "number big, must lower number" though

[craggy pebble]

It was a meta amongst psykers who chose shields not the entire meta

[pale prairie]

Buff SG!

[craggy pebble]

You severely overestimate them then

[pale prairie]

They buffed both SG and shriek in the patches before this nerf and people are still mostly choosing bubble shield. So that’s why they nerfed it

[loud girder]

They nerfed it cause spamming a bubble every 2 seconds is op

It's that simple

[craggy pebble]

It’s weird cause i never really saw people using it , most of matches i played had VS and SG the few who used bubble never bothered to drop it.

[pale prairie]

Yeah I think all the difficulty levels make it hard to tell what the majority of people use and I am unsure what difficulty they use as the standard to balance around

[craggy pebble]

I’m sure it was balanced for Havoc players. They tend to favor them.

[pale prairie]

Could be!

[craggy pebble]

They seem to have gotten on a trend to make the game sweatier

[loud girder]

As it should be tbh

I got into this game cause it's sweaty

[craggy pebble]

Nah

It should have the ability to difficult

[loud girder]

U can still cheese most of it if u don't wanna sweat

For example

U can just play psyker

[loud girder]

I mean yeah and difficulties exist

[craggy pebble]

But it shouldn’t be made for one type of person who is famous for being emotionally unregulated and abrasive

[jovial quail]

Hey guys I haven't played in a hot hot minute, is purg staff still extremely good on higher diffs? Or are there new meta builds that overshadow it by a good margin?

[craggy pebble]

It’s fine

[jovial quail]

It seems regenwise is about the only thing i've notice that feels worse, but that could just be from not playing for a year+

But I couldve sworn you use to get a huge chunk of ult back per special or elite back then, could just be misremembering something though

[loud girder]

I'm not really sure what this means because the balance is a mess and favors players who aren't sweats, the sweats are perma complaining about power creep and Aurics currently are pretty ez if u have like 2 competent players

[jovial juniper]

The only build that overshadows it is melee psyker with Force Greatsword

[jovial quail]

Lol good to know, since launch i've almost exclusively ran knife and purg for just really good kiting capabilities, struggles against carapace but still, most things with him did for me when I tried them last lol

[craggy pebble]

It means that I’ve never met a sweat that was capable of having a conversation that didn’t devolve into petulance

[loud girder]

Idk people here are pretty chill

[pale prairie]

Check the pins for build bonanza it should help

[loud girder]

For the most part

[jovial quail]

Will do, thanks!

[jovial juniper]

Oh yeah Regen wise a couple nerfs to Psyker CDR happened recently

[ripe obsidian]

And you have inside knowledge that we don't?

[wraith sphinx]

@ripe obsidian I've sent you a friend request if you ever wanna play together again. Perhaps I'll take you up on that offer to play havoc together sometime hah

[ripe obsidian]

You don't have to play Havoc, you don't have to swap to a different build. With the CDR aura, Warp Siphon, CDR curios, and Psykinetic's Aura, the cooldown of bubble is like 2-3 seconds different than it was before

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds good. I'm not H40 yet this season because I have been goofing around

[wraith sphinx]

no worries lol, I mean I've never played above 31 so I'll probably need to be dragged a bit anyways

[ripe obsidian]

Previous bubble cooldown was (45 * 0.78 * 0.55) / 1.6 = ~12. Now it's... 17.16 seconds. So 5 seconds longer with all sources of CDR active.

[craggy pebble]

Here they are yes

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on the modifiers, but it can be easy or brutal. I had an H35 or whatever last night where the team had like 3m damage total when we won. I've had H40s where I had 4m+ damage on my own

But the one last night was Light's Out, so I think the director had spent a lot of points on dark mode and DH spawns

M21st + Rituals isn't too bad if you don't try to speedrun and don't have bugged spawns

[jovial quail]

@zealous wing Sexy, might have to finally hop of knife

[zealous wing]

:D

[ripe obsidian]

Blight is definitely the worst modifier. Orange, purple, and rot kinda suck cause they slow things down a ton.

[wraith sphinx]

yea blight is irritating

I dislike red+purple combo and rot armor too

[jovial quail]

Sorry one last question, how is assail? I remember on launch it was so oppressive but then they nerfed it, did they ever go back and balance around it or is it in a decent/rough spot now?

[pale prairie]

It’s still good

Honestly pretty unchanged except for adding warp splicing so it’s cleave is very good and in combo with Scriers it’s extremely good

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is good on every difficulty, but it's not a one-size-fits-all solution

[ripe obsidian]

It'll stagger ragers and rip apart hordes

[pale prairie]

True it’s more of a sidearm than a main weapon

[pale prairie]

It’s funny how not having assail or FgS or Surge staff makes ragers actually scary again

[jovial quail]

Gotcha gotcha thanks everyone, i'll try Karien's Assail build in the pins then

[zealous wing]

its a meme build

[jovial quail]

It feels so good to be back after a long break lol, game feels so fresh and fun again

[zealous wing]

for leveling rather than full use

[pale prairie]

It’s fun hahah but yeah careful into higher difficulties

[zealous wing]

she herself says this

yeah

[jovial quail]

Ahh gotcha, is there a better suited one in the pins?

[zealous wing]

heresy and below

if you want assail spam, i have one, my berpsyker below hers also works if you fine with sidearm

mine so far has been h30 cleared

the spam one

[pale prairie]

I think there is also one by Ainz that he cleared H40 with too

[zealous wing]

ainz is ainz though, so grain of salt and all that

[pale prairie]

Should be lots of options

[jovial quail]

Gotcha appreciate it guys

[pale prairie]

Eh I did it. It’s fun and viable

But I just am not a shotgun fan

[zealous wing]

mine was run by someone else as well, was impressed with it being h30 viable tbh

[pale prairie]

Good play I think can take many builds far

It’s just about how much stress/work it is

[zealous wing]

assail go brrt rending trauma knife for mobility and MM stacking

fairly simple or complex, as needed/wanted

i've been developing it for my playstyle/desires, its been going well

[jovial quail]

@zealous wing is the one in the starters pin the one you were suggesting for spam with the pistol or you run a different one?

Tbh for the next few weeks ima only be running up to damn/maelstrom anyways since its been so long lol but rather get used to a build before going further

[zealous wing]

mine is the FGS with reconlas, its in the new psyker section below kariens beekeeper

[jovial quail]

Gotcha thanks bud!

[barren arrow]

voidstrike is my favorite soulblaze weapon

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[pale prairie]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MassEffect-mass-effect-LID83njYLP5ejGzZWn

[pseudo geyser]

thoughts on shred vs riposte for fgs?

[pale prairie]

both pretty good. I like shred for the ability to kill bosses or crushers without relying on them tartgeting me

[ripe obsidian]

Shred is more reliable and easier to upkeep, Riposte works on Empathic Evasion and has a potentially higher uptime if the game works with you

[thorn cedar]

you need crit to start critting for empathic, and sometimes what you're fighting is a bunch of trash mobs that are getting staggered out before they ever throw a swing

so i do shred

[jovial juniper]

I run riposte because I'm always into the thick of it

https://tenor.com/view/hyuns-dojo-hyun's-dojo-ksi-thick-of-it-jj-gif-150467080527448027

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah

[jovial quail]

Does stamina not equate to a full stamina bar for dodging? Warp Ghost says +2 stamina so I figured i'd get 2 more dodge bars but its just doing the -80% quelling and toughness

[radiant frigate]

stamina =/= dodges

stamina is sprinting, blocking and pushing

[jovial quail]

ahhh okay rip haha thanks

[zealous wing]

also, this setting here

turn it off if its on

[jovial quail]

yup it was on, still think i'ma use the perk for the extra crit/damage at high peril though. Might take it off later if it starts messing me up bad but seemed to explode my dps since purg's so hard to build back up quickly

[pale prairie]

I love warp ghost. Think of the extra stamina as insurance for tanking bosses and DH

[jovial quail]

Yeah just by adding it and changing my weapon's blessings I think I got close to an extra 50-75% damage with a much more reasonable uptime lol. Prior if I even switched off purg staff my peril was basically gone in 2 seconds flat but now can actually utilize high peril perks

[pale prairie]

Yeah it makes managing peril easier but I think the stamina and toughness regen bonus are the best parts

[frail oar]

I love the extra stam

And I finally got my 3 stam curio

https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-man-nicolas-cage-gif-5444501

[open oriole]

that gif is so long lol

[jovial juniper]

Lmao

[pale prairie]

ugh trying to roll curios again sucks

[open oriole]

im just annoyed theres never a breakpoint for a +2 wounds

Like for real, i dont care if its 420 or 430

it would be so nice to free up a slot on zealot martyr builds

[ripe obsidian]

I feel like a traitor to my people. I often end up using Arby to climb back to H40 instead of Psyker

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-after-all-weve-been-through-betrayal-backstabber-gif-5430341

[hollow jolt]

brb dming Fatshark to revoke your gamekey

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[ripe obsidian]

I'm a wretch, it is true

[radiant frigate]

wizarding license revoked, effective immediately

[ripe obsidian]

the game has punished me by making me lose a mission to a crash

[tiny cove]

So heavy Las Pistol MK X

How is it?

[maiden notch]

anyways, ive came back to the game after a few updates and changes

can yall tell me psyker smite build

[fathom adder]

Widely considered inferior to the Mk2

[ripe obsidian]

I played psyker to get H40. Went down once because I had a brain fart and walked into a worse place when trying to find cover from gunners

do I get my license back

[tiny cove]

Gotcha

[fathom adder]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/mobilebasic#h.offscrx4ha9b

Scroll down to Other Builds and don't skip reading the intro to the Smite build

[zinc phoenix]

Time to listen to Radiohead’s creep while you grind as penance

[maiden notch]

🙏🏻 thanks

[ripe obsidian]

This is acceptable punishment

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-crown-lotr-crown-gif-23575801

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-king-didnt-vote-gif-8051023

[weary hatch]

Anyone got a smite build?

[tawny crest]

Trying to find a nice build for expedition. I used my normal mode build of bubble and inferno staff but I feel like its not the best. Thinking about adding assail and maybe swapping to trauma staff

Oh nice I am red finally

[ripe obsidian]

Probably LMB EK

For ranged coverage

[tawny crest]

What is EK ?

[ripe obsidian]

Electrokinetic staff

[weary hatch]

What does maximum charge mean?

[ripe obsidian]

What is the context?

[weary hatch]

Trying to do this

[weary hatch]

My bad i didnt put warp charges

[misty terrace]

I ❤️ using the class chats to send images cause gen doesn't allow them

[summer prairie]

cryptic is also the codename for next class

but maybe it's just the word rather than the codename

[wraith sphinx]

How many times has that word appeared in the files so far, roughly?

[dusky crag]

That's a good question

[zealous wing]

i recall the "cryptic" part, not the "creator" part

[summer prairie]

in that file only in that context

well there's also a "This is a cryptic_creator_arm_attachment"

[radiant frigate]

yes, but i have my eye on you

[summer prairie]

Gloriana start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT76Vo_1ezE

[zealous wing]

man i love fatshark crashing problems

good squad of randoms, about to enter second sanctuary, zealot crashes. enter sanct, i crash, and seems everyone else did too, since previous mission tab shows them as not in a mission

[dense valley]

My Psyker career has peaked

[wraith sphinx]

When I wanted to play another Expedition mission after Six hopped off - first squad suddenly wiped in sync, second game abruptly ended in 2014 error, and during third game I suffered a power outage

[misty terrace]

"arm attachment" c'mon baby give me that Combat Servitor

We all want it

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie is alley rat not better than nimble?

Easier to clutch maybe just dodge spam.

Dunno how it works with range attacks.

[summer prairie]

Not sure yet because nimble is better vs ranged

[plucky flax]

Tru range protection is better.

[summer prairie]

with needler you can compensate with stripped down

for melee alley rat dodge is a bit too much even but maybe you can get used to it

nimble already gives enough space to kite forever but alley rat is better if you are just trying to get distance for ressing

[plucky flax]

Is this toxin splash a must take now?

Seems op

[summer prairie]

probably, though 4m is pretty small and if you have a team they might just kill things before you get high value out of it

[plucky flax]

Okay I read 10 metres.

[summer prairie]

but it's also good for feeding hyper violence/critical

[plucky flax]

[summer prairie]

and sample collector i guess

but you've to take one additional node you may not want to take otherwise

[plucky flax]

My previous melee build was doing adrenaline.

New tree is hard.

[novel moon]

i see storm witch's redemption raiment

love the drip

see the penance

"why private mission? meh, lets do it anyway, seems easy enough

switch to private game for first time

need strike team...

WHY

JUSAT FILL IT WITH BOTS OR SOM<ETOMGSGKMSDK

penance now classed as ikmpossible

[long saddle]

just go the #vox-lfg-lexicanum channel and pick your region and ask for some help

there's also ppl here that are usually willing to help out

[novel moon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-astartes-turn-astartes-turn-warhammer-40k-space-marine-warhammer-40k-astartes-space-marine-turn-gif-15925912834426228665

really?

THANK YOU YESSSSSSS

i go

[tawny crest]

I know your suffring brother. I cant wait for normal bots and no private penance

[zealous wing]

come

we've got one slot and are taking a break from expeditions to do a normal mission, so we can help

we've entered a private mission so just ping me here with your code or send me a friend request so i can invite you

[empty vapor]

Hi all! After completing HS, Veteran and Zealot, I started with Psyker and holy shit, it is funny but also complicated. Is there any build you suggest starting with? As I am clearly not understanding how to play it correctly. Mind burst, for example, it seems to me too slow and weak, but I am sure I am doin something VERY wrong

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker
this is a tried and true starter build

just fill the points, blessings, and perks in as you can

[dusk timber]

Pinned guide

Has a build guide for leveling

[thin finch]

We're not on release anymore, BRain Burst is goated now !

[dusk timber]

for flayer

Anyhow assail is way better for leveling psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Charges are the keystone on the left side

[dusk timber]

I was really confused with this penance

Like what does warp charges have to do with brain burst lol

Like fatshark just made a bunch of random penances for brain burst

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh probably

It's kinda a nonsense penance

And it's made less clear b/c the keystone is named Warp Siphon, not Warp Charges

[dusk timber]

At this point im going to need a brain burst spam build for all these penances

[zealous wing]

like this?

just grab scriers and kinetic resonance, EP when you no longer need warp siphon

[dusk timber]

Ye

[radiant frigate]

in The Before Times™, warp charges were a base part of the psyker class

and they were gained on brain burst kill

so really it is just a relic of times gone by

[marble crater]

Tell us more about the old times, grandma

[radiant frigate]

they sucked

crafting wasn't even there yet

overheads were nonlethal

and the veteran class was John Darktide

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

there was also a brief time where apparently veteran's toughness did not work on melee

[marble crater]

We should bring that time back

[radiant frigate]

so true

also 200 base toughnes and 75% tdr during exe stance

which is actually 75% DR because that distinction wasn't there yet

[patent steeple]

I thought it was 75% tdr but for both melee and ranged rather than only ranged like it was meant to be?

[radiant frigate]

possible i just remember something about it was wrong

[ripe obsidian]

Back in Kat's day, we didn't gaze at scriers or shield our telekines

We screamed at clouds, and we liked it

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

Last night in a Havoc group, someone asked me, "Is your Psyker named Spoony Threepus?" Then did not elaborate when I affirmed. It was perplexing

[hollow summit]

Lul

[ripe obsidian]

@radiant frigate wanna play H40 at some point? Now that you're back to the game. You and @pale prairie and whoever else. Maybe @deft stump so everyone has bad ping no matter which server we choose.

[zealous wing]

[radiant frigate]

bad ping for all, yes-yes

[thin finch]

really out there pinging people

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tired-sleep-deprived-exhausted-sleep-deprivation-gif-3654455578281021969

[ripe obsidian]

They deserve to be pinged

[pale prairie]

Unfortunately working

This motherfucker just had to get heart disease

[thin finch]

Not the ping we want, but the ping we deserves

[ripe obsidian]

And so do you @thin finch . Get pinged.

[ripe obsidian]

I am also working. I meant later.

[pale prairie]

Oh I would love to

[ripe obsidian]

Hexis, you are also welcome to join, of course. But I couldn't use your name for the ping joke.

[pale prairie]

Hopefully I can grind to 30 fast today

I think I am level 25 now?

[ripe obsidian]

Shouldn't be too bad

[deft stump]

I need to get h40 back but nobody carrying so blep.

[ripe obsidian]

So long as I don't have a blight modifier, Havoc isn't too bad right now. If it's blight, someone is on stimm supply duty

[radiant frigate]

blight SUCKS

[deft stump]

Or I go back on zealot because me on ganger is desperado or insta blep.

[ripe obsidian]

I can put on my Psyker pants and try to carry. Or play Arby and let Kat carry while I CC everyone.

[deft stump]

Should have just pinged Hex.

[pale prairie]

Too busy fangirling

[pale prairie]

LET THE ELF LEAD THE WAY SHE IS EXPENDABLE!

—Victor Saltzpyre

https://tenor.com/view/was-it-something-i-said-miles-teller-peter-divergent-was-it-what-i-said-gif-18451876

[ripe obsidian]

I wonder if I was in some youtuber's video or on a stream or something recently. I have played with folks like Mr E before.

[pale prairie]

Awwwww you got called out on stream

[ripe obsidian]

I invited Combine to a game last night, and he joined the immediately left. =|

[pale prairie]

“This guy argues about Empyric shock LMB spam inferno SG builds”

[deft stump]

Could be accidental add.

[ripe obsidian]

Combine is on my friends list

I assume he was waiting for a different invite

[pale prairie]

Yeah he was waiting to get kariened

[wraith sphinx]

@ripe obsidian the expeditions with 5 scavenge zones can certainly take a while

we woulda extracted with 4k tech but I got trolled by some ladders so we ended up losing the 350ish I held

[ripe obsidian]

RIP. 4k still seems super low, given that the penances are like "collect 500k tech" or something

I think expeditions would be interesting with havoc difficulty and no timer. Maybe a DRG-esque system of "collect 1500 remnants or die trying" or "find 2 containers." Then maybe a timer to escape.

Though Havoc levels of gunners and shooters would be ass in those open maps

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah and things like blight spreads could be easy run enders given how tiny some of those capture and hold objectives are

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah man DRG deep dives would suck with timers

[ripe obsidian]

Timers are generally an iffy addition to games imo

[pale prairie]

Needs to be specific like “ESCAPE”

[ripe obsidian]

I get it in something like PUBG, because if you don't have a timer people will camp forever

Or as you said, a timer to escape or another very specific objective

Worst modifier in DRG is low oxygen, because it's basically a timer

I think expeditions are an interesting concept, and I want to explore them more. But I also think they'll need some tweaking to get to the right place.

[pale prairie]

Hah yeah low oxygen is funny

[pale prairie]

It’s a good foundation they just need to tweak and fill it with content

[ripe obsidian]

I think they should've used tech remnants for something besides grid points. Or the tech reliquaries

For unlocking red weapons maybe

Though people would complain about being forced to do expeditions

[pale prairie]

I think they are planning on some kind of store thing for tech points

[dusk timber]

Same

[dusk timber]

Also yeah putting that kind of stuff behind one specific gamemode would def suck

[pale prairie]

How about being able to use tech points to reroll blight lmao

[dusk timber]

I think if we get stuff to spend tech remnants on they should prob be contained just for expeditions

[ripe obsidian]

Then we risk another Weaves situation

[pale prairie]

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Which sucked a lot

[dusk timber]

And probably materials too

[ripe obsidian]

Having to level gear separately was not fun

[dusk timber]

I dont mean new gear

More like some kind of upgrade tree specific to it idk

[pale prairie]

Oh hey did ILAS get buffed enough?

[dusk timber]

Not really

Flak adm still sucks ass

[pale prairie]

Ooof

[ripe obsidian]

A roguelite system, then? Maybe pay for faster hacking, like one challenge fewer per hack, or immunity to tornadoes?

[pale prairie]

What about that new cleaving talent?

[ripe obsidian]

Like, a special skill tree for Expeditions?

[pale prairie]

Tornadoes are fun

[dusk timber]

Ye maybe something like that

[ripe obsidian]

I'd be down for an Expeditions skill tree.

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm ANOTHER tree?

[dusk timber]

Just something to spend the resources you collect

[pale prairie]

Like buffs for expedition runs?

[frail oar]

Or maybe we unlock more points to spend on the regular tree

[dusk timber]

Isn't the whole point of extraction shooters that you can spend the stuff you get in one run for resources you can get in the next

[frail oar]

35 cap expeditions vs 30 regular

[dusk timber]

No

Oh

Still no

[pale prairie]

Suuuuuuuure but Darktide is a bit different in my opinion

[ripe obsidian]

We have a stimm tree. The technology exists

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-they-should-gif-4683433

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Like, bonuses solely for expeditions. Resistance to the timer corruption, or bonuses against enemies in the deadlands or whatever

[pale prairie]

That just feels like it will lead to expeditions being patched to be harder

Maybe I am wrong

[ripe obsidian]

Isn't that the point of difficulty levels, though?

I'd also be happy with infinitely scaling difficulty, same as Warframe extraction levels

[pale prairie]

So we are gonna get havoc:expeditions edition

I mean it’s interesting realistically it’s gonna just be exclusive cosmetics

Only tech points

[summer prairie]

where's this information from

[buoyant maple]

It’s all just wishes

[summer prairie]

weirdly phrased dreams then

[buoyant maple]

I do think expeditions need smth like an endgame tho

TR just doesn’t do anything besides grid point unlock & penance

[pale prairie]

It’s definitely unfinished I just don’t know what they could possibly have us spend tech points on realistically

[buoyant maple]

Allow u to spawn in with certain equipment in first zone

Scrap trade discount inside sanctuary

Improved sprint efficiency

Increased ammo reserve

Allow spending scrap to respawn near your team after you die

Could be more

[pale prairie]

I understand that those are all possibilities yes but it seems odd to grind for currency to spend the currency on runs to grind more of that currency

[buoyant maple]

And also maybe using TR to upgrade weapons

[pale prairie]

Now that

I could see

But people will be sad about being “forced” to do expeditions I think

[buoyant maple]

I wouldn’t mind if u could get a 5x80 on weapons from spending TR

Like, that’s just improving the dump stat

No changes to perks or blessings

[ripe obsidian]

I said "I think they should've used tech remnants for something besides grid points" to start the conversation

=|

[ripe obsidian]

Those would all be good

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh they can get over it.

Tech remnants to modify weapon stats makes the most sense, given that ad mech already modify our weapons

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think those would be massively op or disrupt the gameplay loop much either

Best case scenario is that + TR weapon upgrade tho

And maybe

TR curio upgrade

Which would be really nice

[ripe obsidian]

It would be. No more hunting perfect curios in the shop.

Though they'd probably need to rework Melk to actually do something.

[buoyant maple]

I spawn camped requisition for 2 weeks to get 2x +21%hp curios on my arb

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ripe obsidian]

I used Armory Exchange back when it worked

[summer prairie]

it works again

[ripe obsidian]

:O

You have brought me blessed news

[wraith sphinx]

I disagree, but to each their own

I enjoy the mode overall tbh, I think fatshark cooked with this. Hope they fix it up and add more content to it

[ripe obsidian]

I like exploring. I am a completionist. Not being able to explore makes me say :<

[wraith sphinx]

Fair enough

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's a good game mode that needs a bit of tweaking to reach its full potential.

[buoyant maple]

There’s a grid point with 30 min timer

Night time low-rad

Kappa I think?

[wraith sphinx]

Kappa, yes

30 mins and each shop stop gives 10 mins, so double the base

[buoyant maple]

But ironically the current fastest way to progress this mode is just speedrunning malice lmao

[wraith sphinx]

it trivializes the mode tbh, impossible to run out of that much time

[ripe obsidian]

Since I am secure at H40 now and my ego is temporarily appeased, I can screw around in Expeditions some more

[wraith sphinx]

oh wow that was fast

I think the game removed my havoc rank completely lol, barely played last season

[ripe obsidian]

It was slow compared to some people I know

Ainz got H40 in a couple hours, so did Katze

[buoyant maple]

TR doesn’t scale between difficulty

I think auric needs to be at least twice of what malice gives to justify the difficulty bump

Because this mode is rly just obj rush over and over

[wraith sphinx]

True though I'll keep playing on auric since lower diffs are boring

[buoyant maple]

And people are ASS at doing obj

[ripe obsidian]

But for what it's worth, I only played Psyker once in this H40 climb. I was mostly playing Arby or crate scum. And one all-Oggy game.

[ripe obsidian]

Auric Storm Survivors, living up to their reputation

[wraith sphinx]

how far have we fallen that ASS is considered a bad title now lol

[buoyant maple]

99% of true survivor players don’t know how to play obj in this game and it shows

I will say tho

If they don’t change salvage lord’s unlock requirement

[wraith sphinx]

So far I'd just immediately ping a general direction after tagging a poi and the rest of the team will follow, works 9/10 times

[buoyant maple]

That might be the most “prestigious” title in the game

[wraith sphinx]

the requirement is so high I'm willing to believe it was a typo

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I suck at certain objectives still. In particular the mid event of the sandy relay station, where you have to grab power thingies. I end up getting bogged down by the horde while my team does the objective

[buoyant maple]

Even if it’s cut in half it’s still a very significant grind

[wraith sphinx]

it will also be an extremely miserable grind even by darktide standards because collected salvage rarely exceeds 125 per zone

[ripe obsidian]

I will say that people with True Survivor are, on the whole, a lot more reliable than any other title.

[buoyant maple]

It’s like legit a Poxbreaker tier grind lol

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I agree

I have poxbreaker though I didn't "grind" for it

just kept playing because I love this game

[summer prairie]

Reject is more reliable and maybe poxbreaker

[buoyant maple]

I’ve run into maybe 2 bad Poxbreaker players total

[deft stump]

Cos the new hack requires pattern recognition and ppl seem to suck at it.

[wraith sphinx]

I'm currently using blue titles now though, never let them know your next move

[buoyant maple]

It’s just a rarer title

[pale prairie]

What is this beloved?

[ripe obsidian]

Browser extension

Shows you the shop

[buoyant maple]

Expeditions is rly cool in this aspect because the actual objs are extreme CQB/area denial

U do need guys to kill things at range but u can’t only have guys that kill things from range

[wraith sphinx]

It's a gameplay loop I'm very familiar with so I really feel at home with expeditions tbh

[deft stump]

A sadly abandoned extention. Was great for keeping an eye on Brunt without burning out your CPU.

[ripe obsidian]

Syllogism says Armory Exchange works again

[wraith sphinx]

alternating between longer ranged skirmishing and quick but really intense tiny chokepoint fights

[deft stump]

Oh?

Same guy?

[ripe obsidian]

Presumably

[buoyant maple]

Expeditions’ obj spaces are tighter than normal games lol

[wraith sphinx]

Have any of you made dedicated builds for Expedition? I haven't and I see no need to. Seems like the developers' stated aim of getting people to create expedition specific builds is a failure

[buoyant maple]

Yea stealth vet

[wraith sphinx]

lol fairs

Stealth vet is my fave vet build so nothing c hanged for me

[buoyant maple]

Day1 I was almost convinced this mode meta was just 4 dudes with lasguns

[wraith sphinx]

if anything it's more fun to play on exp than on adventure mode

[buoyant maple]

Day2 I was almost convinced this mode meta was just 4 dudes with vig autos

Day3 I started playing stealth vet to speedrun obj

[ripe obsidian]

I just used my havoc arby build and it went fine

[buoyant maple]

And got mission aborted 3 times

[wraith sphinx]

doom

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[wraith sphinx]

I have mostly been playing my stealth vet and my voidstrike smite psyker build

[buoyant maple]

Stance and stealth are both really good for expeditions

[ripe obsidian]

I wanna try Oggy again with the buffs. Fucking Power Maul has been doing more ranged damage than melee

Since scoreboard counts the special as ranged damage

[wraith sphinx]

I've tried my sniper hstub ogryn build a few times but doing jumping puzzles is irritatingly janky as ogryn

[buoyant maple]

Ogryn main value in the new mode is being able to move data reliquaries faster than everyone else

[wraith sphinx]

🙂‍↕️

[deft stump]

It does work. I just checked. Loaded Adamant.

[wraith sphinx]

Scum either dominates or licks dirt, entirely skill dependent as is tradition

Arbites is easy mode, no comment

Only zealot feels unappealing to play due to being least good at ranged combat

[deft stump]

But everyone wants it for penances.

[buoyant maple]

Yes

[deft stump]

Because Fatshark decided making data hauling individual vs team.

[buoyant maple]

But u can also move it around pretty fast as any human class

[wraith sphinx]

Those penances are points only so idc

I just wish to progress the drip related penances

I like the exp drip

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151286250578391100/1484488393822834698/20260319212459_1.jpg?ex=69be690d&is=69bd178d&hm=3159aab8072498e45cd7d4863f7f9cd91f9c15fafede3008178c4f4d729364b3&

The new armor set is really nice

No bad clipping with backpacks either

[wraith sphinx]

Indeed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849407143429144596/1484319766834315295/image.png?ex=69be74c1&is=69bd2341&hm=8e0ef2e2463d3d2c629fa02084595563b7cb6d3f6f229bd5af7626867ec811af&

[deft stump]

Nope, one is carrying it to extract. That's ALSO individual.

As in, on to the valk.

I tested it in a duo.

[buoyant maple]

It’ll take a while before I get the black set of cosmetics

[deft stump]

It's individual.

[wraith sphinx]

We will have to see how often fs intends to rotate the mode first

Esp since the final tier of zone unlock penance is not completable rn

[buoyant maple]

Yea I have 8/18 rn

Maybe fix next week lolol

[wraith sphinx]

Inb4 they make it rotate biweekly with the slop shop

[deft stump]

@wraith sphinx The one where you carry a data relic into the valkyrie.

Unless FS changed it in the hotfix, it was individual who carries it on board only.

[ripe obsidian]

That's dumb

[wraith sphinx]

Karien I got that penance on my first exp mission idc

[deft stump]

I know, all data relic penances are selfish.

Also recovering tech when disabled requires you to get your shit back yourself.

If a teammate picks it up, 0 credit.

So if your teammate decides to shoot the trapper first...

[ripe obsidian]

I remember this charge

That game was so hard. I am too derp for Ogryn

I just pressed Taunt and hoped things died before I did

[deft stump]

I'm just saying there is one that is locked to the cosmetics.

[rich spindle]

The taunt carried us we woulda died to specials 10000x 😂 😂

I’d see like 8 flamers and trapper standing around every fight

[ripe obsidian]

Taunt is such a ridiculous talent

I need to try the power maul soon. I've seen a few Oggies using it get more ranged damage than melee just from the special attack

[rich spindle]

I think it’s the best melee rn

[buoyant maple]

Because power maul itself is not a good weapon

[ripe obsidian]

The duality of man

[buoyant maple]

I mean that the weapon’s normal attacks are just

Really bad

[zealous wing]

one step closer

[rich spindle]

Spamming heavies felt good to me

[zealous wing]

just over 1/5 the way to the black torso as well

[rich spindle]

Ez mode stagger everything apply skullcrusher and bleed

[buoyant maple]

U got 50 data reliquaries done already? Damn that’s fast

[zealous wing]

not yet

[buoyant maple]

I’m at 47k TR I think

[rich spindle]

Chungus and diamantine can get 2 mil games with the pmaul lol

[ripe obsidian]

Oh hey, I played with Chungus last night

Wait

Did you steal him

From my group

???

[rich spindle]

I think I did

[ripe obsidian]

He said a friend invited him to play and left

Omg

[rich spindle]

We lost every single game

😂

[ripe obsidian]

I queued with him to finish getting 40

[zealous wing]

its the only one i havent gotten yet

for that helmet

but theres 11

[ripe obsidian]

I was a doofus and panicked, ran into a bunch of gunners and went down, but it was otherwise a very smooth game

[zealous wing]

so it wasnt needed

[ripe obsidian]

Chungus only died to a barrel, I think. Gloriana things.

But he did have a 1.8m damage game on power maul

[rich spindle]

He farms

[ripe obsidian]

Weird to see a melee Ogryn almost keep up with me on inferno/shriek for damage

1.8m vs 2.6m

[rich spindle]

It’s the burn stacks

Farms damage on trash in aoe like soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

He only had 74k burning damage

[rich spindle]

Interdasting

[ripe obsidian]

714k melee, 766k ranged

[summer prairie]

That's not almost keeping up, it's almost 50% difference

[ripe obsidian]

Someone not being half my damage is keeping up to my eyes

[summer prairie]

I bet it was a moebian map though

[rich spindle]

Yeah that’s close to inferno shriek

[ripe obsidian]

I can't recall what the seed was

It was Gloriana. I think it was Scab and not Dreg? Pretty sure.

We had like 100+ elite kills before the catwalk. The elites spawning in the opening area is hilarious. Swagger with his entourage