psyker-class

[rigid sky]

But gaze might be a bit crazy right now

[hallow vector]

also everything usually dies before it runs out

[rigid sky]

I like shriek in inferno

Think in that particular case it's the best

[marble onyx]

for me at least it's the simplicity of shriek
just fire it and make use of your buffs while the cooldown starts

[rigid sky]

But gaze is worth playing with on staves, as well as being the best for guns

[marble onyx]

I'm guessing I want the peril node for staves and finesse for guns?

[rigid sky]

Idk tbh

I don't use it outside of guns really lol

And sometimes voidstrike, which likes finesse

[marble onyx]

speaking of staves, I feel like I'm using them wrong
everything except voidblast just feels bad with how I'm using them

I can't escape that aoe right click

[rigid sky]

Inferno is the other busted strong one

Voidstrike and EK are niche

[marble onyx]

ehhh didn't really like it
I can see how inferno is powerful, but it's just not for me

[rigid sky]

But they all play so different

One thing for Inferno is that it's got synergy with like an entire complete build

And it needs a Carapace/boss melee and brain burst really

And warp siphon with in fire reborn, and Empathic evasion

All these things feed into each other and you can frontline and clear anything smaller than an Ogryn while being immune to shooters

But I agree that Voidblast feels way better lol

Inferno you're often praying for them to die before they can swing, and you're doing a lot of awkward dodges

The LMB is really nice but RMB is your bread and butter and it's awkward

Voidblast is just blow up the world and randomly start fires, it's so independent

[marble onyx]

I should be using the chained secondary charge speed blessing, right?

[hallow vector]

in my experience if you rmb enough itll stagger everything except like

crushers

[hallow vector]

warp flurry and blaze away on inferno

warp flurry is good on most staffs

[marble onyx]

watching maulers and ragers fall over is pretty funny

[marble onyx]

which one's that?

I remember the effects but the names I need more playtime

[hallow vector]

-8.5% cast time on chained secondaries

stacks 3 times iirc

[marble onyx]

yeah that's the one I meant

good to know, ty

[hallow vector]

yea unless youre doing some super specific thing thatd need to replace it

its just generally good to have

[fluid knot]

Incredibly accurate

[buoyant maple]

both are op, make diff builds for each

[marble onyx]

I barely know enough to make one build at the moment lol

[dire wharf]

rmb inferno is so satisfying when you can funnel hordes into a tight corridor

[thorn cedar]

Gaze:

• Crit bonus
• Damage bonus
• Toughness Regen
• Toughness Damage Reduction
• Instant Quell and Peril Save
• Move Speed
• Finesse Damage
• 10s Unlimited Casting

Shriek:

• Instant Quell and Peril Save
• Peril Resist
• Lol blue fire (:

somehow actually a hard choice

[viscid matrix]

Because both are amazing

[zinc phoenix]

People really be struggling with this event

I’ve done three runs in it with my pimped out new computer and both times I got netted and then the whole team was dead in like a minute 😂

The third one someone accidentally popped a burster train, everyone else died and then I was left trying to hit a mutie through fifty million bulwarks (no joy) while being flamered

[hallow vector]

gaze can actually peril save

[pale matrix]

what melee is best for a purge staff/shriek build?

[hallow vector]

blaze greatsword

if purge is the flame staff

[pale matrix]

why the greatsword and not DS4? doesn't DS4 let you uncanny strike to kill crushers w/soulblaze?

[dire wharf]

Either BFG or deimos

[rigid sky]

Use blaze away and warp nexus on inferno

Power and crit much more valuable

[rigid sky]

I like Obscurus or Deimos (but currently Obscurus more for front loaded damage and DPS)

Dueling sword 4 and combat blade also good picks

You want uncanny

Greatsword has too much overlap with inferno imo

[pale matrix]

do you know why it's not the DS4? I thought uncanny meant you could kill crushers w/soublaze. IDK what the forceswords offer that make them better (i've never used them much)

[rigid sky]

You just need something defensive that can kill elites

[rigid sky]

Force push is crazy basicly

[hallow vector]

what ds4

[rigid sky]

Apart from that, excellent single target damage too

Probably less than DS4 but the force push is worth it imo

Some absolutely excellent blessing choices

Greatsword is better for other ranged weapons imo

Greatsword and inferno ain't my first pairing

For either of those fantastic weapons

I strongly recommend Obscurus with uncanny and probably the peril-is-power blessing

Unstable power maybe?

HLL loop combo is very strong

[pale matrix]

what makes force push different from normal push?

[pale matrix]

duesling sword mark 4

[rigid sky]

It's the push attack

It applies uncanny wherever on the body it hits

And it's really powerful

[pale matrix]

wait what?

[rigid sky]

You can knock a crusher on its ass

Yeah it just always counts as a head hit I guess?

[pale matrix]

so if you hit a crusher with a force push, you get full armor pen on it?

[rigid sky]

It applies a stack at least iirc

Also there's the fancy stack technique

Risky but you can use a special light attack on a weakspot and get 4 uncanny stacks instantly

Excellent for killing crushers with soulblaze

Makes that whole trick a lot more viable

[pale matrix]

wdym?

how? on obscurus or on all force swords?

[rigid sky]

Special attack ticks 4 times

On Obscurus and Deimos

Illisi is a shit power sword

Basically irrelevant now

Greatsword power crept it to death

[pale matrix]

what perks/blessings on deimos/obscurus? Also, why do yu think obscurus is better?

[rigid sky]

Carapace unyielding probsbly

More upfront damage and more dps

Deimos H2 is stronger, but overall Obscurus loop is stronger and its first hit is stronger than Deimos L1

Matter of tadtet

Taste

Or tadtet

And uncanny Unstable power is my current pick

Uncanny fixed

No choice

[ripe obsidian]

No need to make choices. All builds you might need are in the build guide

[marble onyx]

true, but consider:
I like making stuff myself

[ripe obsidian]

I also

Have templates

In the guide

:D

For that very reason

[zealous wing]

thats because there is no "better than" outright, its which fits your build better

[buoyant maple]

DS (any), obscurus, deimos, knife 6

[ripe obsidian]

Pls do not knife me

[crimson wigeon]

psyker mains i have a quetion does peril generated by scriers gaze and just a dream gain toughness from quietude

[verbal thistle]

yes

[crimson wigeon]

thats so awesome

peril tank build ftw

[zealous mango]

Twitchys is Warp splitting worth taking for a scier knife build? To help clear out hordes faster

[crimson wigeon]

can you quell whilr holding the knife

[zealous mango]

No

Only with force weapons and staves

[crimson wigeon]

damn

force swords for me then

[zealous mango]

Best to do is pull your staff and quell

That's what I do and also use scier

[zealous wing]

do you use assail or bb

[zinc phoenix]

Not gonna get much cleave on a knife is my understanding

But it’s probably still worth it

[crisp ether]

On mk6 ya

Mk3. Not really

[spice aurora]

forcing diversity in h40, cantp ossibly lose

[patent jacinth]

scriers smyker

Absolute horror

[deft stump]

Smyker, you already lost.

[marble onyx]

I really want to make the illisi good because I like its special charge

smite with the electrified melee node?

[spice aurora]

i main scriers smite h40 every game on psyker

[rich spindle]

Doesn’t do much damage

All the damage comes from Sciers and disrupt destiny

[marble onyx]

is there no way I can get some good useage out of the one non-greatsword force blade with a special warp attack that doesn't lock me in place?

[rich spindle]

the illisi special isnt bad

you can weave it in to keep peril high

[spice aurora]

@rich spindle i get tired of winning literally every game smh

[rich spindle]

we ahve to stop playing together

2nd night in a row of pure wins

😴

[marble onyx]

are there any ways to improve the special itself?
or is it just stuff like the blessing for increased crit after getting a special kill?

[spice aurora]

wheres our amtch history screenshot

[rich spindle]

ez

[ripe obsidian]

It is me. I am the unlucky charm

[rich spindle]

yeah thats it pretty much

[rich spindle]

nah we love you

mwah

[marble onyx]

damn, rip
can that blessing at least affect an immediate recast of the special?

[spice aurora]

real mvp is melee psyker who went to loot a grenade on a team who doesnt use grenades and died for it

[marble onyx]

it has a marker
you gotta pick it up

[rich spindle]

it should

[marble onyx]

nice

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I have fun a majority of the time, until I do dumb stuff and get frustrated at myself. But I do notice that whenever I play with premade groups, it's definitely a lot more losses than wins. Which feels a little odd, but I dunno.

Though I did join with the guy I screwed over for True Survivor last night and helped him get it tonight

I kept my peril so low during the end event, ha

[marble onyx]

reckon he saw you doing that and found it funny lol?

[ripe obsidian]

Possibly

I mean, last night I blew myself up in the last 2 minutes of the game for no reason at all. I wasn't stressed or pressured

And I really didn't want to repeat that

So I sat at like 40-60% peril instead of my normal 70%+

[marble onyx]

I should try crystalline will when I haven't even had the game for a week lol

[ripe obsidian]

Crystalline Will is mostly a meme node

It's very funny but not particularly strong

[marble onyx]

I figured lol

[ripe obsidian]

Better than Unlucky for Some

Which was an abysmal node

Was something like refill your toughness if one of your allies goes down

[marble onyx]

lol yeah that's not great
especially since more often than not, I'm the one who goes down

[ripe obsidian]

Right now there aren't many bad nodes in the Psyker tree. Things like increased coherency radius aren't very good, but you aren't really trolling if you pick them

Arbites is similar, in that you can throw darts at their tree and make a viable build

Can't speak with authority about Zealot Vet, or Oggy.

Scum is also pretty solid across every talent, I believe

I have fun experimenting with different Psyker builds to see what optimizations I can make for my own playstyle. Like today I was screwing around with Perilous Combustion and Souldrinker on Surge Surge versus Lightning Speed and Warp Splitting or By Crack of Bone.

I think the former is a little better for me, though not as good as I would like, and it's point-hungry

[zealous mango]

Sorry I was at work but majority of my scier builds have BB

[ripe obsidian]

How dare you work

[zealous wing]

if you had assail it'd be more beneficial to take warp splitting, but with BB it wont do anything, so it'd be less likely to be worthwhile

and, as mentioned, knife isnt doing much, but it could still help a little

you'd have to just run tests honestly, if you're used to not having it, run with it for like, 5 games, then take it off and see if you notice the pain of it missing

[zealous mango]

Would using voidblast/strike staves help the most to build peril as well

[zealous wing]

i think strike would benefit from cleave then, voidblast not much unless you primary a lot

[zealous mango]

I often spam second attacks for higher peril before triggering scier

[zealous mango]

Come think of it I think I do bring strike the most for my knife builds

[zealous wing]

i use trauma on mine, mostly for utility purposes

ie, can go full rending trauma psyker if seriousness is needed

otherwise its an assailspam fidget build

cannot get myself to use strike enough to know its intricate details

[zealous mango]

Strike for me usually helps a little bit against trash hordes when my knife is lacking the ttk them

[zealous wing]

this is fair

[ripe obsidian]

I think the primary has 0.1 cleave

You'd need like 1100% cleave for it to hit multiple targets

0.25, rather. So only like 500% cleave in non-Havoc

[zealous wing]

ah so

worthless

for primary anyway

[zealous mango]

These people give me such an aneurysm

"Let me hit the barrel that my fellow psyker is in front while he is shoving bursters"

[zealous wing]

idk if its a me issue but i suspect not, but the video is not a video

the audio plays fine though

[wraith sphinx]

You issue

Plays fine on my end

[zealous wing]

is it

[wraith sphinx]

Yes

Now get in the shame cube for doubting me

[zealous wing]

i will continue to doubt

relaunch of discord didnt fix, so i trusted you for a moment, and that trust has been reshattered

[wraith sphinx]

Are you on pc or phone

[zealous wing]

pc

[wraith sphinx]

Well I'm on phone

[zealous wing]

doesnt matter tons tbh

from the audio, they are deciding push attacking a wave of bursters is a good idea

they have inferno

[zealous mango]

probably restart

[zealous wing]

i also dont hear any gunshots

[zealous mango]

well i was gonna but then a barrel behind just ignited

i heard my psyker yelling barrel about to blow but i thought it was the one in front of me

[wraith sphinx]

They PAed a single burster then got barrelled into a poxburster congaline

[zealous mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1481202541894307860/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2026-03-11_8-09-15_AM.mp4?ex=69b274dd&is=69b1235d&hm=820efe0ec60caf60e3e05f91cb56fcda245ad5568a815353e8e6e52d010db6ae&

Does this work?

[zealous wing]

no

[zealous mango]

file is also small

[zealous wing]

downloaded and its working

[zealous mango]

I am blaming on the ogryns

ogryn "players" to be exact

You see me pulling inferno and a frame of the flames before i got thrown to the bursters lmao

thought i was gonna be one tapped

[zealous wing]

the vet is in another area fighting shotgunners

(i suggest a mod for tracking who ignited explosives, btw, i forget what its called atm but can check if you want it)

puts it in killfeed

i would only guess it was red simply because shield is up and dude looks frozen, either from "poxbursters pls dont kill me" but headcanon because i love the servitor mask is "ono D: i didnt mean to"

(he's also right next to that barrel) mid commotion

HOWEVER

actually no i think the other oggy was too far away

neither got lowered in ammo, so it was a melee smack

other oggy is back there the whole time we have our most likely suspect but will never know for sure

in other words

red is sus

[zealous mango]

Kill the ogryn

[zealous mango]

I think of that but i dont wanna make my game too cluster with visuals

[zealous mango]

No hit sound on the barrel behind was sus lol

[zealous wing]

coould have happened exactly as burster popped

if the investigation must continue i can pull the audio into an editor and pick through it for the clunk if i can at all

[zealous mango]

gotta love when steam recording is just buggy with my mic for some reason

[zealous wing]

so i dont clog oggy chat with psyker things,

i listen to loud music often but a longer clip might be interesting

watch me get mercd

[zealous mango]

Gotta love the big font cues showing

Music very fitting

[zealous wing]

visual indicators for played audio cues, very helpful

[zealous mango]

God damn that killfeed

[zealous wing]

if no cue plays, no indicator is given, silent bursters for all! :D

[hallow vector]

is unstable power good on BFG

i dont think it is

[zealous wing]

its core

20%

not 5

[hallow vector]

so it gives 20% total?

[zealous wing]

yup

[hallow vector]

why the fuck does it say 5%

doesnt say that for the other unstable powers

[zealous wing]

fatshark person outright said they hate meta chasers

so they lied on it

[zealous mango]

swedish wordings

[zealous wing]

and now only "meta chasers" know about it (code readers and interested parties)

so instead of everyone having access to the same info, they made it so only a small percentage of players can know the real stats

very well played fatshark

also psykinetics aura does not say regeneration

regenenenenene-

youll see it

[zealous mango]

I am dying at this, such timing

[zealous wing]

hmm

peak

flat out peak

[zealous mango]

"Look people i am trying to be positive so lets do this rig-"

Teammate dies

[zealous wing]

fatalist doesnt even sound mad

[zealous mango]

Not even disappointed

Just flat out okay

[zealous wing]

not even slightly annoyed

but tbh he is like that

"we're a body short. did anyone notice?"

[zealous mango]

Tbf thats all arbitrators but fatalist is the least bothered one lmao

Maul just glad that a squad mate is gone and dead

[zealous wing]

well maul is flat out stressing his voice to put on an act

his voice cracks so often from the strain

authoritarian just wants friends

i have an unedited clip in my archive somewhere of auth asking one of the vets to explain what "karking" means

oh mightve been maul... or im mixing two clips in my head... i have about 3 dozen to get through still

[zealous mango]

Oh yeah Frip Frop also shared that on his loose cannon video

[zealous wing]

probable

i dont watch youtube much at all anymore so i wouldnt know

[zealous mango]

Authoritarian is just the rookie, i love him

[zealous mango]

https://youtu.be/VdlpWj7inSk?si=qa8hItEi4tMEbicO&t=553 timestamped

Also how you entertain yourself without YT

[wooden sand]

Games

Probably

Most likely

[zealous wing]

[wooden sand]

This is a low number ngl

[zealous mango]

Since you owned it?

[zealous wing]

got the game in like june, played since midjuly

really dove in when i joined here

[zealous mango]

God damn in just less of a year?

[zealous wing]

yis

i have 2 penances left

[zealous mango]

I got in about sep 2024 and have about 1.3K hours

[zealous wing]

True survivor and funnily enough 11 more mortis trials

then im done

well, until they add the new bestiaries, map/mission type penances, and new class

[zealous mango]

Only in 2028

they about to cancel the PMaster

[zealous wing]

well, new monstrosity/hounds, new mission terminal area being built in the mourningstar, theres likely to be something very soon

very being somewhat relative , couple months probably

or sooner than that

[zealous mango]

it is to be released with the update

given the leaks showing the month on the string code

[zealous wing]

is possible

but its also

[zealous mango]

Mortis 2

Now triple the map size with lesser enemies to find

[zealous wing]

"let's not play hide and seek with the heretics please" - m loner

sounds fun to me, i disagree with him

[zealous mango]

though i suppose the next teaser might be tomorrow or friday

hope something spicy

[zealous wing]

good point forgot it was wednesday

[deft stump]

Bonus, the enemy is half stuck out of map.

[marble onyx]

good news, I as a new player got what I think I've been told is the good stats for a voidblast staff with 60 warp res?
bad news, there goes my weapon stat luck, never gonna get a good force sword lol

[zealous mango]

warp res is the dump stat yes

[marble onyx]

sweet

also not me putting all my resources into my force sword with 60 warp res misremembering what the dump stat is supposed to be there

[quartz barn]

Once you get enough dockets you can spam buy greys at brunt until you get one with the right dump stat

So you dont have to deal with end of mission / shop rng

[marble onyx]

that's nice at least

[quartz barn]

And your average auric gives about 45k

[marble onyx]

rip my plasteel though lol

[quartz barn]

Ye true

[marble onyx]

any good farm for that?

or for the other, the... diamond-something?

[deft stump]

Loot run damns or havoc boxes.

[marble onyx]

don't have havoc yet

wdym loot run?

[deft stump]

Play damns, but LOOT the map.

[marble onyx]

isn't that just standard play?

[deft stump]

Like, memorise the loot locations and go to all spots.

[marble onyx]

ahhh

[rigid sky]

A lot of experienced players don't bother to pick up the loot now

[deft stump]

Not on higher diffs. Most ppl don't care to do it unless they need ammo or so nowadays. Havoc is back to scrounging, but for ammo.

[rigid sky]

Which is annoying imo, since it's good to help newer players to not get frustrated by lack of resources

[deft stump]

Unless you roll a loot gobbo who just does it.

[rigid sky]

But you do forget that resources are a thing once you're past Budding Interrogator lol

[deft stump]

Or like 2 months of H40 boxes.

[zealous mango]

I dont pick the materials myself because I got a mod that automatically does it for me

You welcome

[quartz barn]

Mods = cheats reeeee

[dire wharf]

i would like one mod please

[zinc phoenix]

If they care they can get it, I’m not playing the game for other people. I will happily keep having fun while they do their looting. Picking this stuff up when I’ve got literally millions of it no thank you

[deft stump]

Is what it is. Might be better to just remove it and just have an end of mission payout.

[zinc phoenix]

Adding cosmetics and doodads I can buy with my Smaug horde would get me interested in picking stuff up

That works pretty good in VT2

But I’m at the point where I’d happily turn off a lot of the loot system due to total lack of giving a shit

[icy breach]

Which is bad cause its shared…

[deft stump]

You need to give ppl an incentive to pick them though.

[zinc phoenix]

The plus side of rolling someone who knows the game well is the new player gets an easy run and very likely a win which pays out better than rolling three all wounds butterfingers who are hyper focused on loot

[deft stump]

Even if just recoloured stuff.

Because many are still OCD and wanna buyout the free shops.

[icy breach]

There is one;
help others

[zinc phoenix]

I am helping

I kill all the thing

[deft stump]

Humans are selfish.

You know that.

I'm just a loot gremlin.

[icy breach]

But that does not dictate ones actions

[zinc phoenix]

I appreciate the existence of loot gobbos and if one goes down behind the group I go get em

But I don’t even bother looting in BG3 😂

My ideal RPG system is solasta’s “a team of dudes comes and loots the battlefield afterward, offers you the pick and then pays you for the rest”

[icy breach]

Someone should draw you as a devious loot gobbo with a bag on your back & a devious smile

[zinc phoenix]

Loot dies in VT2 are super effective at getting the elite players engaged

Like if there’s a loot gobbo it’s wild how fast everyone goes after it

[deft stump]

If I had like $40 USD, I could pay Licht to draw one of my other chars running off looting.

[dire wharf]

Not me looting napkins and wood plates in bg3 because I gotta loot/sell everything

[deft stump]

Sounds like Skyrim.

[dire wharf]

Yeah

[deft stump]

WDYM, you are running on stacking enchantments to not be overencumbered?

Yes.

Cos console Oblivion.

So all you can do is enchant lul.

[dire wharf]

Crawling on my hands and knees back to Riften, yes I need 700 lbs of mushrooms and crab legs!

[zinc phoenix]

Meanwhile I’m like “eh I’ll just use the starter gear, screw enchanting”

[deft stump]

Good thing on PC, console commands inf space lul.

So I can hoard EVERYTHING that spawns in and lag whenever I open my inventory.

[quartz barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382062531526398053/1459286691608268921/attachment.gif

Dont have the text version but close enough

[icy breach]

I had that in mind yes

[quartz barn]

Good old lona rpg shopkeep

[rigid sky]

jfc

[tepid python]

psyker chat

[rigid sky]

Fuckin psykkker chat it looks like

[ripe obsidian]

Get it. >:(

[ripe obsidian]

Or I'll get you.

[zealous mango]

Force swords push attacks having quite a stagger is always funny to me

and deimos FS heavy stab

Just one or two pokes is enough to make a crusher slip

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-18812856

[young cliff]

Have to ask the short-circuit brain rejects: how much would you crucify me if I made so you take some corruption damage when using certain abilities or reaching 100% peril? So stuff like Smite would give you a big chunk if you reach 100% peril but the same with Gaze would be way less if you quell immediately but if not you, could even build a full would of corruption over time.

[thorn cedar]

I'm fine with any idea that makes peril use more consequential but probably not corruption and it'll never happen anyway.

[long saddle]

yeah the downside is that you die

[thorn cedar]

Plasma remains braindead almost three years on now and peril hasn't been spooky for a long ass time.

[long saddle]

it doesn't need anything else

[long saddle]

you talking about plasma gun's heat?

[thorn cedar]

yea

[long saddle]

they only recently made that brainless

you can't overload anymore

[young cliff]

But with stuff like Smite and gaze you don't die!

[thorn cedar]

Plasma's been like that for a good long while, not just recently

[long saddle]

we spent talent points for that tho

[jovial juniper]

No no
I agree
Make it so you can cast anything past 100% in exchange for corruption
With Warp Unbound being the exception

[long saddle]

I mean it's not 3 years old

[thorn cedar]

Closer to three than two

[long saddle]

I've only played little over a year and I experienced the change

[jovial juniper]

Any psyker death caused by corruption summons a DH

[young cliff]

Tbh that talent is quite absurd for the length of time it last, would be smaller the window and it would still be super useful

[jovial juniper]

Let's see who's truly edging

And who's fake psyker

[long saddle]

only broken with the mod that tells you the exact time imo

which I run

[young cliff]

Or if you can count

[long saddle]

nah I don't do such

[jovial juniper]

Truly Thriving in Peril moment

[young cliff]

Fair, but for it's value counting already give you a big boost, the issue I have is it chain itself so you could screw it and still be safe because gaze now reduce peril

[young cliff]

Lore accurate psyker experience, from them on every time you see a psyker you dodge

Applying psyker mistrust and hatred to the witch

[jovial juniper]

Also add talents that incentive you to go past 100%

Not that it'll matter much if you have Scum or Zealot on your team
They can just eat the corruption afterwards

Or during

[young cliff]

The idea would be that it deals corruption damage fast, so it at least eat into your health so you are more probe to be one shot by a groaner spank

[long saddle]

there's so much of psyker's kit that rely on riding high on peril that it just feels counterintuitive to then punish you as soon as you hit critical peril but not overloading

[jovial juniper]

Let's see who's truly edging

[young cliff]

The idea is that if you remain in 100% peril you take corruption damage but it's cut if you quell fast, so you are encouraged to edge near 90% but if you go 100 you failed the edging, so you take punishment

[jovial juniper]

And who's fake psyker

[thorn cedar]

lets just stop beating around the bush, we wanna play sienna again

[jovial juniper]

Kinda but not really

[young cliff]

Sienna has a good risk/reward system with the tHp and quelling dealing damage, it was a dangerous game but a good one

[jovial juniper]

But you know what

[young cliff]

Doesn't really work on DT

[wooden sand]

No

Not really

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark should just add a talent that allows psykers to go past 100% but takes corruption

[thorn cedar]

it cant be corruption

[wooden sand]

Pysker with 1 health

[jovial juniper]

This way you keep current psyker

[wooden sand]

Best build ever

[young cliff]

Why not?

[jovial juniper]

But adds the go above and beyond play style too

[thorn cedar]

ego already said it

[jovial juniper]

Best of both worlds

[thorn cedar]

zealot with aura would just make it free

scum also pretty close to free

[jovial juniper]

Or supplier scum

Yeah

[thorn cedar]

there's already too many cheesey ways to circumvent it

if it's just direct health loss then it's functionally the same thing without a bypass

[young cliff]

If the corruption damage was low, it would not be, you could gain a wound full of corruption

[thorn cedar]

zealot cleanses 1.5 corruption per second

[young cliff]

Not if you are a wound full of corruption

[thorn cedar]

when would you be?

[long saddle]

just run it with stim crate scum and you're corruption immune

[jovial juniper]

Only if you ever manage to get to the last wound

Which you shouldn't

[thorn cedar]

it would only get scary if your zealot was dead

[young cliff]

Mission objective: protect Zealot that dived into a crusher conga

[young cliff]

True, I forgot they straight make you not take corruption

[jovial juniper]

It's funny because it would actually make support zealot real

Zealot support your psyker by cleansing corruption

[young cliff]

Fatmangus gaming would become even more meta

[long saddle]

I mean most zealots in havoc run beacon so

so it is meta already

[young cliff]

I rest my case your honour

[cedar pine]

guys
i request
your funniest build ideas
ima ask this for every og class

[zealous wing]

do you want this build

[cedar pine]

afraid my skill isnt enough for that

but that sound seem fun hexis

you've seen my gameplay

[zealous wing]

suipsyker is really fun lol

[cedar pine]

oh

thats what you call suipsyker?

why sui?

[zealous wing]

suicide psyker

go boom

[cedar pine]

how?

how do you survive?

[zealous wing]

crystalline will

plus stacking buffs makes it stronger, like using assail to get malefic momentum up for it

since the explosion is not a warp attack

[cedar pine]

i see

ill give it a shot

what difficulty was that btw?

[zealous wing]

heresy for testing, but it works in auric with a certain set up

you really have to stack the buffs though, and i also run a rending/surge trauma staff for both fidget build and suipsyker

some also suggest a bolt pistol for a slight increase in blast radius, but, it makes the build overall less effective

when i make goofy builds i want them to also be able to actually be used effectively rather than purely one trick

[hallow vector]

theres a silly infinite smite build i have

[cedar pine]

lemme guess

scriers?

[hallow vector]

yea

EP

[cedar pine]

not surprised

oh cute pfp btw

[hallow vector]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a139f061-4609-4d75-b6ad-1c2578eaebb3/microwave-psyker

[hallow vector]

it me mof

[cedar pine]

mof

[ripe obsidian]

Smite. >:(

[thorn cedar]

huh, zero damage slay the spire run

already

this bonerbabe is quite stronk

[ripe obsidian]

What a name

[thorn cedar]

its completely correct

[jovial juniper]

Necromancer

And osty

Or was it otsy

Anyways

Hand

[mighty fractal]

broken skelly

Yeah she's a little busted

It's funny, because they went out of their way to nerf or get rid of a lot of the degen shit from sts1 (wraith form, energy relics, etc.)

But now every character seems to have an intended infinite or three

[thorn cedar]

thats intended tho

at least thats my read of it

all the characters have good or strong card draw, card generation, card removal, energy generation, and several scaling paths

makes getting one or god forbid two dog shit boss relics not a complete run ender because in some capacity you were always building under the presumption that you would get one of the energy relics

now you're just looking for those cards, and you dont have to full send into a single category of scaling for things to work out

necrobinder probs just has the best out of the lot. silent's sly gimmick is ridiculously strong tho and is probably still the actual strongest

but bonerbabe having access to souls and scaling defense and offense in osty simultaneously at all times is pretty wild

i started off my no damage run with a Bodyguard upgrade and it did way more work in Act I than i expected

[ripe obsidian]

@spice aurora

79% combat uptime on Soulguilt Scan

[thorn cedar]

45% at max stacks lmao

[ripe obsidian]

eh

This is on the shooty patooty build

Even having this much uptime surprises me

[thorn cedar]

im saying thats ridiculously high already

[spice aurora]

Does 1 shot give multiple stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[spice aurora]

Oh yea that’s not bad then

But is it really adding much anyway compared to somewhere else the point can go is the next Q xD

[thorn cedar]

16% weakspot strength is pretty damn good

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, 16% weakspot strength is great

[thorn cedar]

something COULD be better ngl

[spice aurora]

It also needs to be up when you need it tho, like blasting hordes if it already owns them anyway

[thorn cedar]

but its already very good

[spice aurora]

Like it could be up when blasting a hordes then goin hard on elites but it just depends how it plays out xD

Whats the avg stacks

[ripe obsidian]

5.5, per the mod

[spice aurora]

Wat are ur talents again

[thorn cedar]

no final warning or push on cleave for the funny ranged build?

i am aghast

[ripe obsidian]

cleave on push is melee only

[spice aurora]

how much are u using ranged again cuz i just see stuff like efficient killer / keeping protocol / concussive / target the weak and im like aaaaaaaah

[thorn cedar]

oh damn thats right

well gotta get final warning somehow

[spice aurora]

i know ppl are iffy on keeping protocol but i had 2 much arby time where im just stuck fighting a lot of bosses solo and it helps for clutch or kick moments lol

[thorn cedar]

i see purpose if im not running a shield

with a shield i dont really care

[ripe obsidian]

quite a lot of ranged. Concussive doesn't benefit me at all, would only give the +toughness on staggering hit more activations

[spice aurora]

when do u use melee besides carapace/boss

[hallow vector]

depends on what ur running

[ripe obsidian]

when I am low on ammo

mostly

or when reloading is not really ideal

[spice aurora]

Might as well keep but ik the bleed talent may be meh but up to you theres always the small 10% range node too xD

I rhink the bleed is good if you micro the dog a lot right?

[spice aurora]

a short love story

[tepid python]

they be hella harsh and its only like havoc 28

[mighty fractal]

Here's the trick:

Apply as Ogryn

Get invited

Immediately swap to another class

See if they disband and reform

Apply on another class

Most of the time, they just want someone to play Ogryn for them

Even though Ogryn is the "weak" class right now, everyone wants taunt

[hallow vector]

taunt + shield is just ez win

teamamtes cant die if nothing attacks them

[zealous mango]

More the opposite lmao

[mighty fractal]

It might be a regional thing

[zealous mango]

Teammates can die if ogryn can't how to keep agro lmao

[mighty fractal]

in NA, H40 parties will instantly accept an ogryn

[zealous mango]

Please do not be behind your teammates when taunt is active

And be in front instead

[mighty fractal]

people are desperate for ogryn (even though mister e and reginald say it's the weakest class etc etc etc)

[zealous mango]

Mister e mention

Your comment is invalid

[mighty fractal]

I'm saying his opinion is trash though!!!!

[zealous mango]

As for Reginald, he is the one who tries to make valid criticism

[mighty fractal]

Somehow, Mister E and Reginald were able to convince the English-speaking playerbase that Ogryn is the worst class in the game... less than a year after Ogryn was the easiest and best class in the game

Reginald at least makes an effort (most of the time)

[ripe obsidian]

The bleed is pretty decent imo. It increases dog single-target damage by like 30%

280ish DPS on H40 elites up to 400

And it has an (unreliable) aoe that can hit stuff around the target

The sooner the dog kills a target, the sooner it pounces again, the sooner I get boosts for killing specials/elites, dog target, and pounce

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn has become arguably the weakest class in the game.

Vet, Zealot, and Psyker got tree reworks, scum is very strong, and Arby has more variety

Ogryn has like 1 thing it does well, and that one thing got hit hard when Scab enemies got their HP boosted.

Taunt is, however, ridiculously good if the Ogryn can stay alive. Many can't.

[ripe obsidian]

They're judging your builds. :,(

[mighty fractal]

Yeah the narrative I don't like is that Ogryn has ALWAYS been weak, when it hasn't

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, no. Ogryn fluctuates a lot.

Was the strongest for a while

And it wasn't changes to the Oggy that made the class weaker, but other classes and enemies getting stronger

Power creep

[mighty fractal]

It was strong on release, was strong for a good chunk of last year

It's either really strong and easy, or weak outside of tauntbot

[mighty fractal]

imo the biggest nerf was not just the tree nerfs

It was also the Crusher health buffs

Ogryn lost a lot of important breakpoints with that change, especially because most of his weapons are slow

[ripe obsidian]

Crusher health buffs hurt oggy a lot, yeah

[radiant frigate]

ogryn was not great at release

and then with the dawn of talent trees it was insane

[spice aurora]

next game after getting declined i hit an insane clip its like 15min long xD

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate upon the insanity

[mighty fractal]

A lot of that was people not knowing how to play Ogryn back then (shieldgryns standing in the middle of the room doing nothing, people not knowing how to movetech, etc.)

A few weeks after launch, and then people realized Mk3 knife was the most braindead melee in the game

Ogryn with Bull Butcher was one of the staple classes for duos

The only thing it couldn't do was true solo

[rich spindle]

clutched on refinery for like 15 min

red everything

[spice aurora]

i thought it was 5min it was 15 and we lost anyway lmao rip

[rich spindle]

ritual cucked the second clutch

[spice aurora]

we love rituals with3247237489327489237489 reapers ragers bulwarks pogryn twins

[marble onyx]

can blitz kills give stacks of empowered psionics?

[spice aurora]

https://youtu.be/VRILolW-Jq0?si=zRx9IjnZP_-J0Bqw

if any1 lieks goofy melee psyker gameplay ;D

tried bringing a literal drunk havoc rank 2 in

[ripe obsidian]

I believe so, yes.

[marble onyx]

sweet, tyvm

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

Kuli has answers to most questions

[ripe obsidian]

did it go as expected?

[spice aurora]

yea

fav moment xD

'ur so dead'

'jk' xD

[ripe obsidian]

I like how he's giving you "advice"

I just got to "you need aoe"

https://youtu.be/VRILolW-Jq0?t=485

How did this overhead not kill you

[rich spindle]

linger

or was still in dodge

yeah he was still in dodge

he hit it right before the aoe hit the ground

[ripe obsidian]

I feel like I die 100% of the time if I try to dodge that late

[spice aurora]

were we on NA west

it felt very not laggy xD

[crisp ether]

na west has been ass for me lately 😭

[zealous mango]

So hear this, does Penetration of Soul is applied to blitzes, including assail?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[long saddle]

20 rending to this lol

[buoyant maple]

POTS is actually not that bad for assail

Esp on SG

The flak ADM boost is pretty substantial

[brazen compass]

Join me

[rigid sky]

You get some actual chip damage on carapace with it too that way I guess

Might help Vs maulers or scab ragers, idk?

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is generally decent for Assail and Trauma, imo. Everywhere else, it is mediocre at best. Arguably useful for Smite, but the damage is so low anyway it hardly matters.

PotS on Voidblast potentially allows you to two-shot scab bruisers on H40 with minimally charged RMBs instead of three

Not sure about other breakpoints. That's all I remember from testing.

But every other warp damage source is 100% ADM or higher on flak and maniac, with most being 100% on unyielding as well. The non-inferno LMBs are 60% against unyielding.

So you'd be picking PotS solely for Carapace everywhere else, which is a role better served by melee weapons.

[icy breach]

For smite it ain’t; we talked about this

[icy breach]

Or just use flak dmg; it always 2 shots them easily

[ripe obsidian]

I have flak damage already

Minimal charge RMB on Trauma doesn't 2-shot scab bruisers reliably on H40

It is somewhat more reliable with PotS

[ripe obsidian]

Smite has 75% Flak ADMs for part of its damage:

Smite direct damage:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 100%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 100%

Smite interval damage:
Unarmored - 75%
Flak - 75%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 50%
Infested - 75%
Void Shield - 75%

[icy breach]

Yeah thats why it does acceptable dmg with PotS

[icy breach]

Btw you know seer psyker upon seeing a mauler says
Dreg Mauler
Either an oversight or… we gonna have some in the future~?

I hope

[ripe obsidian]

It's still super low damage. 16 base damage, I believe, per interval tick + whatever bonuses you have. And the ticks are randomly spaced 0.1 to 0.3 seconds apart. For some reason.

[summer prairie]

dreg mauler line was patched out

[ripe obsidian]

It's like how EK RMB randomly does 0.9 to 1.1 damage for some reason

[icy breach]

MAN
Let a boi hopium in peace

[ripe obsidian]

I don't understand the use of randomization here. It feels unnecessary and silly.

I like consistency, dang it

[icy breach]

Look at inferno grenades from zealot
Right @weary sable ?

[ripe obsidian]

"Fire area damage (while in fire area): stacks once; has a tick interval between 0.5s and 1.25s (randomly chosen); does not stagger; deals randomly varying damage: between 43.75 and 131.25 base damage per tick "

What the fuck

[weary sable]

@icy breach

[icy breach]

You can’t spell Zealot without an L

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't know this

[deft stump]

Chance to not kill.

[ripe obsidian]

That's so stupid

[icy breach]

Yeah… its… the worst blitz in the entire game
If i see infernonade being used i know its either of the 2 things;

1. Boi has no idea how they work & think they are good/go for thematic build
2. They cope & try to convince others & themselves they can be good cause ‚ugh uncanny makes them do more dmg hurr durr’

[thorn cedar]

smh balatro goes goty but u add randomization to ur own game and everyone loses it fucken gamers dude

[ripe obsidian]

So between 0.33 and 1 damage, and between 0.4 and 1 interval. So if you get unlucky, it does... 13.2% of the maximum damage per tick.

[thorn cedar]

on the whole the output is pretty consistent

[ripe obsidian]

If I mathed right. I maybe didn't

It's 8am and I slept poorly. And I am not the best at math

[thorn cedar]

even i, a guy who counts his seconds before releasing right click, am not really counting the seconds for the long zap to kill something

[weary sable]

The idea of the grenade is.. good. The execution of it is not.

[icy breach]

Yup; don’t forget enemies will actively try to avoid it cause its coded as a surface hazard

[icy breach]

Yeah
Consistently Dogshit

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark moment

[icy breach]

[ripe obsidian]

I was slightly off. If you rolled the worst possible damage and the worst possible tick rate, immolation grenade does 13.3% of its maximum damage

[deft stump]

Need a tauntgryn to make it useful.

Barely.

[icy breach]

Or stay in it so enemies get in it

[ripe obsidian]

Meanwhile, scum chem grenade...

[icy breach]

But if you get unlucky… this shit can’t even kill an auric mauler!!!

[deft stump]

-40 fps.

Everything go boom.

[ripe obsidian]

Scum chem grenade does more damage per tick, better ADMs, and enemies explode when they die for more damage. Pfft.

[thorn cedar]

Immolation nade would instantly be fixed if it was just regular ass fire

[icy breach]

I know cause i tested it; even i do not try to make it good; its really bad… a waste of a grenade pickup

[icy breach]

Been preaching about it for… years now…
Also it states it does stagger
no stagger at all is present

😂 👌

[ripe obsidian]

What is the 40k equivalent of a ghost pepper? That causes ass fire, I am told.

[thorn cedar]

this is what nurgles followers wont tell you about

the painful ass fire

[deft stump]

It would have some value if it at least mini-stuns at some interval.

Or better, forces panic from fire.

[icy breach]

I like when my limited rezource that is suppose to be a situation changer acts like a woman on period & decides to be shitty one time & lovely in the other… love it (don’t read it as i do not like girls; calm down - its a biological fact)

[icy breach]

Emperoriotle (emperor + chipotle)

Get that Emperoritto

With beans & shit

[ripe obsidian]

Not a fan of the misogyny in the analogy, but I generally disagree with concealed randomness in game mechanics. Or randomness in general when it's not a main mechanic, such as rolling to hit in D&D.

[icy breach]

Misogyny? Bruv cmon…
What about Morrowind? It has that roll mechanic as a whole right?

[deft stump]

Why do you think I annoyed my DM with doing my Cha+Cha or Cha+Wis even when missing and I attack 8 times a turn?

[ripe obsidian]

Morrowind's base randomness is quite bad.

It's not a fun mechanic

[deft stump]

(14 x 9) + 12.

Stat bonus anyway.

Or everything cries from 28 x 9 + 44.

[wooden sand]

Math

[icy breach]

Wait… how

[deft stump]

Third party stuff. I minmaxxed to heck.

[ripe obsidian]

As for the misogyny comment, this instance might be comparatively harmless, but it's a line of thinking that's used to put women down on the whole. Like, if a woman gets passionate about something or raises her voice, she's mockingly asked if she's on her period. It's a strain of sexism that's used in a thousand small ways to put women down.

I'm not gonna discuss it further, because I don't want to risk getting banned, and because I'm not changing my view on this. We can discuss game mechanics without needing to put people down.

[deft stump]

At some point, the DM just stopped asking me to roll if the minimum kills something.

And yes, 24 CHA 20 WIS.

[ripe obsidian]

What in the hell class is that

[deft stump]

Accursed of Immortality.

I also technically have all proficiencies.

Every even lvl anyway.

[icy breach]

Same can be said about many other lil quips about men
It is what it is; such things will never be gone - of all things being hateful & harmful is like… not on my list-to-do things ever (i also have edgy humour but thats another bucket of stuff; through comedy you filter 1-liners if you know what i mean )

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds OP

[deft stump]

It's also a mix of feats I took.

[icy breach]

Wha
Is that your invented wording or…
Sorry i do not play D&D despite liking it

[ripe obsidian]

It will never be gone, I agree, and it does go both ways. But we can choose to be better than the average person. We're Psykers, after all. We are better than those blunts.

[deft stump]

I also have hilarious gear.

[deft stump]

Third party class + subclass.

[icy breach]

Excluding oggies; they’re gud lads

[icy breach]

Damn…

[deft stump]

When I wanna minmax, I break the game so hard, it's not even funny.

[icy breach]

The ‚fun dust’ comes from your screaming personality

[deft stump]

This was just to compensate for my lack of luck tbh.

[icy breach]

You’re like a tinklebell from peter pan

[icy breach]

Don’t remind me… i’m unlucky af… most of the time

[deft stump]

You are talking to that person who got gibs 5 times in a row... twice.

[icy breach]

When i get unlucky i miss with 95% chance to hit

3 times in a row

[deft stump]

The box inbetween was used to hold said gibs.

I heard it was 5% to get gibs.

[icy breach]

Ok you have it worse
I yield

[deft stump]

And you can only get gibs 5 times in a row hard capped.

[ripe obsidian]

As a forever-DM, I make my own luck

Roll behind the screen and fudge as necessary

:)

I am kinda sad that No Man's Land isn't in the Havoc rotation. I know it's a short map, but I would enjoy seeing it with modifiers

Mostly because it's a different zone

Same reason I want Gloriana back

Seeing the same 3.5 biomes repeatedly gets tiresome.

3.5 because Throneside and the Torrent feel pretty similar to me.

[hollow stirrup]

Speaking of missions am I just bad at game or is the event modifier kinda sorta ass

[ripe obsidian]

Event modifier is easy if you build for it. It's hard and annoying if you don't

[hollow stirrup]

I did it for the first time on high intensity on top of that on auric

Was not fun

[weary sable]

Weird, for me it was a lot of fun.

[hollow stirrup]

I also haven't played since late jan so maybe i'm out of practice

[hollow stirrup]

Again it could just be genuine skill issue from me

[weary sable]

Perhaps, but it is probably more an attitude issue.

[hollow stirrup]

I did try doing it on hive scum

[ripe obsidian]

I duo'd a HISTG map of the event and it wasn't bad. Me on melee scum, ally on BtL + dog arby

[hollow stirrup]

Hmmmmmmm

[weary sable]

That is probably the easiest class to do it with, if you really want to.

[hollow stirrup]

Yeah fair

[weary sable]

You just rocket everything because you get rockets back.

[hollow stirrup]

Oh you do?

[weary sable]

Yes.

[hollow stirrup]

[ripe obsidian]

And a good melee build will one-bop crushers. Or close to one-bop 'em

[weary sable]

In classic Fatshark fashion, important information is left out.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't understand how the grenade regen works

[hollow stirrup]

Shivs my beloved

[weary sable]

I don't understand it either, but it works, so that is all that you really need to know.

[hollow stirrup]

So wait there's grenade regen in the event modifier?

[weary sable]

It might be from killing Ogryns, it might be a chance for any kill. Who knows.

Yes.

It might also be a chance whenever you kill Ogryns.

[hollow stirrup]

That'd explain why my blackouts were always at 5 even though my kill numbers weren't mathing to that

Lmao

[weary sable]

But, if you really want to have "fun" use rockets.

[hollow stirrup]

Rockets against 20 billion ogryns seems like the play yeah

[weary sable]

For me it is a very boring way because it sucks away all the fun, but hey, to each their own.

[hollow stirrup]

I love my blackouts

But ye

[ripe obsidian]

It seems like it's a chance on ogryn kill for you and allies in coherency to get grenades back

[weary sable]

Very likely, yes.

[ripe obsidian]

Seems like a higher chance on reapers, but I have no evidence of it

[weary sable]

I suspect you just got lucky many times.

[hollow stirrup]

Do ogryns sometimes drop a grenade on being killed too

[weary sable]

They do not sometimes.

[hollow stirrup]

Like a damage grenade that bonks you

[weary sable]

Bulwarks will always do.

Only bulwarks.

[hollow stirrup]

Icic

[deft stump]

I think it's boosted Demo Team but elites only.

[weary sable]

For me personally, anyone who complains about the event is either too used to oneshotting everything and thus can't handle an actual challenge, does not utilize what their class is giving to them to deal with and most certainly isn't capable of accepting defeat.

[deft stump]

Oh, I complain about the bursters.

Those things refuse to be pushed.

[weary sable]

Yes, in short, skill issue. Or rather not being resilient enough.

Okay for the bursters, that is legit, but a lot of people seem to be stuck in the ways of how to deal with them.

Its always about "shoot or push?" right

And the complains about being fucked anyway by burster conga lines.

[deft stump]

Hard to shoot or boom on some maps though.

[weary sable]

You do not push burster conga lines

that is, in a traditional way.

[ripe obsidian]

Blast 'em with trauma staff and hope your team backs up in time. :D

[weary sable]

You search for a spot where you can push the bursters but do not have line of sight to them.

Thus the explosion can be as close as it wants to be, you will not get damaged.

[deft stump]

I figured. Ppl just complain so I let them facetank it.

[weary sable]

Allowing you to handle those burster lines without taking any damage.

And for the cases where it does not work out, simply accept it.

Raging and complaining about it won't really get you anywhere.

And yes, anyone who's close to a burster conga line .. for me.. well.. its a sacrifice iam willing to make.

You do not deal with those by pushing them in a traditional way, that will get you killed.

[deft stump]

They shrug off a 100% vent push even lul.

[weary sable]

If they ignore it, good, you can continously push them away, since they do not blow up.

Find ways to deal with those broken things and you are better off in the long run.

[deft stump]

No, they ignore by jumping me for 50% of my hp.

[weary sable]

Instead of complaining about it.

[deft stump]

Instead of being staggered.

[weary sable]

I mean you play with horrible lag, by your own admission. You are asking for it.

[icy breach]

I think operations will never be in havoc due to how short they are

[deft stump]

That was 3 ping.

[icy breach]

And thats ok

[weary sable]

Well, that simply happens.

It is because they target someone else and not you and thus do not explode.

Again, learn to deal with it.

Should they ever "fix" them, you have learned how to deal with a "broken" version and are thus a better player.

[deft stump]

It's consistent though. And it was after me. Unless they target air.

[ripe obsidian]

I'd find a sort of DRG Deep Dive-esque thing to be interesting. A trio of missions back to back. Operations would be good for that.

[deft stump]

Is why I gave up doing quickplay again because pubs don't know how to deal with them and I'm just trying Trauma so harder to clutch if needed.

[deft stump]

So the short campaign thing but no breaks.

[dire wharf]

Poxbursters targeting someone else therefore are invulnerable to other player attacks is just the dumbest thing ever

And telling people to stop complaining about an obviously bugged game element is even dumber

[ripe obsidian]

I think it would be neat. But I have no idea what the rewards would be. Maybe a weekly challenge that rewards like 100 aquilas? Dunno.

Giving away premium currency seems to give Fatshark the ick.

Though I think having people do weekly challenges to save up for cosmetics might increase their revenue, tbh. Not that I have experience in marketing or sales to know for certain. But if people have, like, 700 aquilas and need 300 more for a set, I think they'd be more likely to spend money

And 100ish a week would still be half a year to buy a full set. Hardly hurting their bottom line.

Would maybe increase player engagement, too.

The current weeklies are kinda pointless. Melkbucks are only useful for gambling for curios on new characters

[deft stump]

It is, why do you think mobile games all started to hand out meger amounts of paid currency?

You get one thing and you are tempted for more.

[dusk timber]

item rewards as a whole are kinda pointless for the high end of players tbh

[deft stump]

The prices are also a little too high grindwise unless you are willing to spend ages to save.

Compared to just buying with like 4 hours of min wage (About USD$5.50-$6.)

(Assuming you don't get stuck in certain things and aren't taking less than avg to get said job.)

[deft stump]

Why premium currency or unlockable only via special currency cosmetics.

[dusk timber]

yeah but i doubt GW would approve

[deft stump]

Latter is literally commissary with different currency.

Just use Melk bux.

They can also go the gacha skins method. Offer old less wanted skins in said shop.

Drives player engagement to get on, check if anything is added and play to stockpile it for any clear lower tier stuff.

People who want the set will just buy day one anyway.

Others can wait and gamble to see if 2400 sets show up there.

Though might be like years before they do.

100k per set would still be 12 weeks min per set.

Assuming you roll and grind 8k~ per week.

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot be assed to grind that hard for cosmetics

[deft stump]

12-13 weeks.

I can't Math but you all know that by now.

[deft stump]

But some ppl are.

Usually those with less spending money.

It's also just a bonus for playing the game.

And another use for the currency ppl lul about.

[radiant frigate]

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/d24ac23d4a2df93c88c0d94554abc11f199453a5/scripts/settings/buff/live_event_buff_templates/live_event_abhuman_explosions_buff_templates.lua#L39

Found it

It appears to be a 10% chance of grenade regen if you're in coherency when killing an elite or special

[jovial juniper]

Definitely doesn't feel like 10%

[ripe obsidian]

I can't speak to that

I only know what the code says

[deft stump]

So buffed Demo Team?

[ripe obsidian]

I think so

Let me compare the codes

Yeah, code is functionally identical

Sorry for phone picture. Can't send a screenshot from work laptop

Oh hey

New game mode.

Chaos Wastes, it seems.

"There is no set path like in the other game modes in Darktide, so it will be up to you and the team to decide how to traverse the zone, and in what order to get to the different Sites. As you move around the map you will then scavenge for both the Tech-Remnants and Salvage."

I suggested this sort of thing many times. Not that my input influenced the devs at all, of course. But it's what I wanted.

[zinc phoenix]

i like the concept of the new mode but timer + quickplay = assssssssssss

[ripe obsidian]

It sounds like a PvE extraction shooter. So Tarkov or Dark & Darker, but not PvPvE.

[zinc phoenix]

its literally a reheated chaos wastes so idk why they felt the need to add a timer

[ripe obsidian]

Because extraction shooters are the Hot Thing

[upbeat kestrel]

Tarkov is im very shitty state right now

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, Raiders of the Lost Ark Arc Raiders is another one.

[upbeat kestrel]

Especially pve mode

[jovial juniper]

It's Neighborhood Watch

100%

[zinc phoenix]

well so long as i get to stab stuff idk

[ripe obsidian]

Have not heard of it

[zinc phoenix]

but their last new mode was also "no main path" and was dogshit

mortis

[ripe obsidian]

Mortis is worse Killing Floor 2

[jovial juniper]

It's Dead Island 2 alternative game mode

[zinc phoenix]

ok so they added some cosmetics

[jovial juniper]

Imagine CoD zombies but you prepare for a base defense

[zinc phoenix]

i guess ill play it for a bit to get those if its any good

but im deeply skeptical

[ripe obsidian]

Funny, that's what Fortnite was supposed to be originally.

[zinc phoenix]

also lmao "we added some penances" yeah man i been sitting on penance cap for like years

add some more penance rewards ya cheapskates

[ripe obsidian]

I'd honestly prefer more bespoke maps in the zones that have been added

But whatever

Take what you can get, I guess

Like, another map on the Interzone Void tileset would be nice.

[jovial juniper]

Yeah I always take a second to look around the start of Gloriana

[zinc phoenix]

id be down with that but the biggest thing i want is more maps set in the war zone stuff like that campaign mission

that was awesome

give me some big set pieces i can get involved in too

wandering around in an open area when i already get lost on the existing maps ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ripe obsidian]

My idea was starting at the forge at the end and pushing outward across the ground (instead of the train) to stop the heretics from doing whatever heretical bullshit

[ripe obsidian]

No Man's Land is probably the best-designed map in the game

It's the only one that feels like a VT2 map

[zinc phoenix]

i love it

just need me fireball so i can lob shots into shell holes and hear screams

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe we'll unlock a fireball staff with expeditions.

(He said, huffing hopium)

[zinc phoenix]

if they add cool new weapons that have different attacks i will lock in for it

if its just ass tier cosmetics and existing loot 🥱

[jovial juniper]

Well I did say that it's an open map

So what's the excuse to not add a sniper now?

[ripe obsidian]

Honestly? It would be a noob trap

New players would pick it, get focused on aiming, and die to random melee enemies

[jovial juniper]

Weak Excuse

[ripe obsidian]

Arguably.

Design choices have to take into account new player behavior. Heresy is the most popular difficulty by a wide margin, from what I have heard, and people in Heresy are... not great.

[jovial juniper]

If Fatshark adds it it should be like a high level unlock
Instead of Rashad at level 1 type of deal

Also true, Heresy is purgatory

[ripe obsidian]

I have a friend who caps out at Heresy, and he just sits on ranged weapons and dies

Because he won't swap to melee to block and he barely dodges

[weary sable]

Isn't heresy now damnation because of the removal of the lowest one?

[jovial juniper]

Technically no

[ripe obsidian]

They didn't make heresy harder

[jovial juniper]

Because the difficulties itself didn't change

[weary sable]

Okay

[ripe obsidian]

I think a sniper rifle would be strong for good players, depending on the design, in the sense of quick-swap to pop specials. So same niche as plasma or zarona revolver or agri shotgun alt-fire.

It would probably just be another Weapon Spec Vet weapon for free reloads

[zinc phoenix]

hellbore is already tough for peope

[barren arrow]

oggy w/ a pickaxe still goes hard

[barren arrow]

specialists & poxbursters

[ripe obsidian]

I forgot helbore exists

I see it so rarely, but usually the people using it in H40 are monsters

[barren arrow]

had an oggy's taunt waves send a poxburster into me yesterday while i was on the left side of a staircase & he was on the right bc the taunt just sent it straight to his left & I wasn't able to push it bc it wasn't after me :(

[barren arrow]

IT'S SO GOOD

INFINITE AMMO ARMOR PIERCING HIGH DAMAGE

you just

you just have no horde control 🥲

and you need to have the thumbs necessary to reliable click heads

in darktide

though vet just kinda ass against hordes anyways

[weary sable]

How is veteran bad against hordes?

[barren arrow]

like with the power sword it's not unmanageable or anything and certainly better than most hive scum (some scum i've run into are actually the best at horde clear)

[thorn cedar]

-two shredder nades-
-slaps on sunglasses-
-walks away-

[barren arrow]

I keep thinking of switching to shredder honestly

Bc it still staggers armor & bosses