psyker-class

[deft stump]

Dunno about you since never seen a score with both of you lul.

[zealous wing]

sut said we could play this week

so we'll find out

[deft stump]

Naw, ppl know I'm on controller the moment I'm forced to shoot things.

[hoary mauve]

Oh wow, got new respect for console playing friends

[zealous wing]

i could grab my controller and see how well it translates, but i do already know the games basics and have mods

but theres also something to be said for the people who play on console pretty much all their gaming time instead of using a pc most of their gaming time

[deft stump]

Or just controller on PC.

I mean, my PC specs is like PS4 or something.

Or 5? Base anyway.

About base PS5.

Went to look it up.

[sinful olive]

The duality of being weary of console players tanking mission completion rates on average and being insanely impressed by the ones that carry.

[icy breach]

Mostly first cause second is too rare to consider a ‚competition’

[pale matrix]

prescience or seer's presence for shriek/flame psyker?

[dire wharf]

That's me

[zealous wing]

prescience

[pale matrix]

what makes it better?

[zealous wing]

crits stack 2x soulblaze instead of 1

[pale matrix]

its only 5% more chance tho?

[zealous wing]

5% on top of the other crit chances, yes

[ripe obsidian]

Seer's Presence imo. More Shriek, more better. But it's worth noting two things: if you have Warp Siphon, the CDR interacts oddly, and pseudorandom crit chance means +5% may be more or less impactful than you think

To elaborate on this, assuming you do not have Psykinetic Aura and do not have CDR curios:

Warp Siphon takes effect after other sources of CDR. So without Seer's Presence, the 30 seconds on Shriek goes to 30 * 0.55 = 16.5 second cooldown

Seer's Presence alone is 0.9 CD, so 27 seconds on Shriek (-3 seconds)

But since WS comes after, it becomes (30*0.9) * 0.55 = 14.85

So Seer's Presence is now a 1.65 second reduction, not 3 seconds

This is the same reason why CDR curios are arguably not worth it on Warp Siphon builds. I use them anyway, but

[long saddle]

I think I've dropped CDR on like all my curios atp

on other classes as well

[wind wind]

Just had one of the best auric quickplay gloriana runs in my life with these absolute chads. Loved every second of it. And for the purists among you, none of the 3 had smite. Not that i care as an ogryn, but i thought it an interesting detail. Love these guys, 10/10 would play with them again

[long saddle]

mostly because I want to revive max on everything now

[ripe obsidian]

Now if we factor in CDR curios and Psykinetic's Aura...

(30*0.88) * 0.55 = 14.52 seconds / 1.6 = 9.075 second Shriek CDR without Seer's Presence, assuming 6 stacks of WS and 100% PA uptime.

(30*0.78) * 0.55 = 12.87 seconds / 1.6 = 8.04375 second Shriek CDR with Seer's Presence.

So Seer's Presence, in this perfect scenario, is essentially 1 second off of Shriek

This does not account for how it benefits your team, though.

[ripe obsidian]

I use, on non-SG Psyker builds, 3x CDR, 3x gunner resist, 2x revive, 1x HP. Oh, and 3x beeg toughness

The 1x smol HP is to get over 100 HP in Havoc and avoid being one-bopped by snipers and bursters, since I don't use JaD

Now, to turn to Prescience

Without Prescience or crit chance on my firestick, I cap at 32.5% crit chance. 37.5% with Souldrinker up. So the relevant numbers here will be 32.5, 37.5, 42.5, and 47.5.

The variables are:
12.5% base crit chance
+20% from Warp Nexus
+5% staff perk
+5% aura
+5% souldrinker

32.5% crit chance:

Pseudo-random distribution

Crit chance starts at 13.4% and increases by 13.4% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±1.4 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 7.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 3rd attack.

37.5% crit chance:

Pseudo-random distribution

Crit chance starts at 17.5% and increases by 17.5% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±1.2 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 5.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 2nd attack.

42.5% crit chance:

Pseudo-random distribution

Crit chance starts at 22.0% and increases by 22.0% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±1.0 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 4.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 2nd attack.

47.5% crit chance:

Pseudo-random distribution

Crit chance starts at 27.0% and increases by 27.0% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±0.88 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 3.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 2nd attack.

The biggest improvement is between 32.5% and 37.5%. There is no meaningful increase between 37.5 and 42.5.

Having 37.5% crit chance means you're more likely to crit every 2nd attack instead of every 3rd.

wait, the calculator didn't quite work right

lemme redo this

fixed

I don't think the crit calculations actually account for fractions of a percent, though. Pretty sure it rounds.

BUT

with this in mind

+5% crit chance aura does have a meaningful impact if you're regularly below 80% peril and do not have crit chance on your staff.

But if you're usually at 80% or higher peril for maximum Warp Nexus, and you have Souldrinker up (which, it's inferno + shriek, you're gonna have 90% uptime), the crit aura is pretty negligible

If you have crit chance on your staff, plus the crit aura, plus maximum warp nexus, plus souldrinker, you're gonna crit every 3 attacks (maximum) instead of 4, which is possibly a meaningful increase in theory. Not sure in practice.

I'd say 37.5 and 47.5 are the sweet spots for Inferno crits, based on this.

[dire wharf]

Any of you play division 2?

[zealous mango]

Slaying hard

[ripe obsidian]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.66cuekqkjur5

@zealous wing

I remembered to take adderall today, and this is the outcome

[zealous wing]

oooo

[ripe obsidian]

dunno if anyone will actually ever look at it

but

[dire wharf]

If I had a dollar for every time I've looked at builds on there i'd have a lot of dollars

[marble crater]

Good

[ripe obsidian]

I am glad. In this case, I was specifically referring to the cdr vs crit aura section I just wrote, ha

it's kinda self-indulgent

[dire wharf]

I can't decide between deimos or BFG

I would take relic blade if I could

....

Are there mods for weapon skins??

[radiant frigate]

extended weapon customization but it has a tendency towards instability

[marble crater]

How often are you planning to use it and do you like mobility?

[spice aurora]

@ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

what a champion

[spice aurora]

when i saw rank 15 i had to accept as fast as possib

[ripe obsidian]

he's also dumping penetration on the axe

didn't get a chance to look at the build

[spice aurora]

i just saw the gun and was like thats enough 4 me xD

[jovial juniper]

Chad Terrifying Barrage enjoyer

[ripe obsidian]

his build is fine

looks more or less identical to Path's havoc build

[spice aurora]

@ripe obsidian where dad go

jk

[dire wharf]

Yes and yes

[hallow vector]

does smite get crits

[marble crater]

Nope

[marble crater]

Well try both and see which you like more I guess FGS is great, but if I use a staff I don't use it enough to justify the lower mobility

[dire wharf]

Is that because fgs and staffs are both slow

[marble crater]

Yes that too

For melee or gunker I use FGS though

[marble onyx]

Hey all, I'm still very new, and I'm loving the brain pop over smite and assail but I'm seeing a lot of talk on forums and stuff that it's the worst of the three and not really useable at higher difficulties?
I'm really hoping this is not the case - the warp-powered sniping is fun

[ripe obsidian]

Brain burst is fine at high difficulties

mostly because the Kinetic Flayer node is very strong

but the middle keystone also makes it much more usable

[marble onyx]

Don't have the nodes and talents memorised yet sorry, what are those two?

[ripe obsidian]

Kinetic Flayer is a free brain rupture on elites or specials every... 12 seconds, I think

Middle keystone boosts blitz power

is called Empowered Psionics

[marble onyx]

Oh the on-hit one, yeah, that looks cool
I also really like the other direct node from the rupture, the one that buffs it for a time after your ability

Kinetic Flayer seems pretty good in combo with force sword charge?

[glacial field]

Hey guys

I need help

What blessing and stats do I use on the shock maul?

[marble crater]

Kinda yeah, it's an additional way to proc kinetic flayer through walls and such

[marble onyx]

Through walls? What?

[ripe obsidian]

Kinetic Flayer is honestly amazing paired with just about anything

[marble crater]

I hope that's the right clip

[ripe obsidian]

probably dump mobility. Check Path's pinned guide in the vet chat

[marble crater]

The charge goes through walls, so you can trigger kinetic flayer on far away enemies behind walls

[marble onyx]

Oh the greatsword

[marble crater]

Yes, what did you mean with force sword charge?

[marble onyx]

The smaller force sword

The one-handed one

[marble crater]

Ah then the charge is irrelevant for kinetic flayer

[marble onyx]

Really? I was feeling like it was doing good damage to bosses, at least

[marble crater]

Charge deals good damage, Kinetic Flayer does, but there is no special interaction between the two

[marble onyx]

This is the charge where you stab into the enemy and stick for a bit before doing something with your palm I mean

[marble onyx]

No special interaction beyond great total damage, yeah

[marble crater]

It's not something you build around or plan for, is what I mean. Any attack and soulblaze tick will trigger Kinetic Flayer, if it triggers during the Deimos ticks it's very satisfying though yes

[marble onyx]

soulblaze triggers it?
Oh dear that'll be fun

[marble crater]

Even if using the charge itself is sometimes a bad idea, because it locks you in place. I still do it though, because it's fun

[marble onyx]

I also just realised that the different marks have different movesets

[rich spindle]

Everyone that complains about it in higher difficulty is using it wrong. It’s not a main weapon, its situational

[marble onyx]

The force sword mark with the sweeping heavies seems fun

[marble onyx]

-# I've kinda been using it as a main on diff 1 lol

Gonna need to unlearn that

[marble crater]

You can have a never ending soulblaze cycle with Kinetic Flayer and Perilous Combustion, it can get you some kills you wouldn't be able to get otherwise, kill a dog or trapper that was burned and ran away, that you forgot about. It's very nice

[rich spindle]

Nah do whatever goofy stuff when you’re learning 😂

That’s how you actually learn what’s good and works instead of parroting people online

[marble onyx]

Yeah that makes sense

[marble crater]

Encouraging people to use smite? Blocked

[marble onyx]

But the Palpatine fantasy!

[rich spindle]

I was 3 would smite bubble for like the fist 20 hours of psyker

[marble crater]

Mine were spamming purgatus with bubble

I started right after unlimited smite and bugged surge staff were fixed too, unlucky

[zealous wing]

mine was some sort of melee with revolver and assail

i doubt it was FGS, it was too slow for me at the time

probably devils claw

[marble onyx]

I should probably try using things other than the force swords and staves

Just to see

[marble crater]

Yeah won't hurt, maybe you discover some weapons you like and there are ways to play psyker with a gun or melee focused as well

[marble onyx]

Gun certainly seems less peril heavy than staves

That stuff builds quick

[marble crater]

You would think so, but suddenly Scrier’s Gaze

[zealous wing]

it does, but its also manageable with a good tree, and with practice

and that too

[marble crater]

Are you level 30?

[marble onyx]

No I'm like level 11

[zealous wing]

yeah they will be mega peril hungry for now

[marble crater]

Low level staffs build a lot of peril, so much that they are almost not worth using because they lack the stats and builds to be great

[zealous wing]

wait for those

[marble onyx]

That kind of explains it
But I'm still a little confused because while this electric staff is very hungry, the other one - the first one - was much more manageable

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker
i've offered this build to several people so far, just fill in points as you can reach them and it'll keep you going quite smoothly

[marble crater]

They will perform very differently when you are lvl 30 and actually have a maxed out staff, something to keep in mind while testing them at the moment

[marble onyx]

Right

[zealous wing]

the stats might have been much more different, but they all also have different generation rates inherently

[marble crater]

And yeah Elektro is probably the one that generates the most peril, then Voidblast, Voidstrike and far behind, Inferno

[marble onyx]

That's the resistance one, right?
The old staff had it pretty high while this one has, like, 5%

[zealous wing]

there is a small guide at the bottom of this build explaining how it works

[zealous wing]

that is that, yes

warp resistance

its usually the dump stat, but when its too low it hurts

[marble crater]

Empyric Resolve my beloved

[marble onyx]

What about the swords?
I hear a lot of good about the force greatsword but almost no mention of the smaller one

[zealous wing]

the force swords arent really main weaponry

they're more as sidearms

[marble crater]

Deimos is great for killing big targets when you have a staff for hordes

Illisi is not great for hordes when you have a staff for big targets, but still good enough to use

They have better mobility than FGS and still worth using because of it

[rich spindle]

They’re very strong as the main weapons in a melee build, but they’ve been power crept by the 2h sword, so no one talks about them much

[marble onyx]

Sad
I like the speed and special charge of the smaller ones

[rich spindle]

You can still absolutely dominate a game with the smaller ones

[pale matrix]

thank you!!!

[ripe obsidian]

I added a section on this to the bonanza

[paper dust]

wa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8sS4WJeDPI

[zinc phoenix]

I would not go to the house of a guy named Freddie

[static vessel]

penis

[mighty cipher]

Since Hivescum came out have any major changes been made to the class? Friend dragged me back here.

[zealous wing]

was that before or after the tree rework

i forget

[mighty cipher]

After I think

[ripe obsidian]

We did it @spice aurora

[zealous wing]

hmm

this explains a lil bit

(i saw a lobby with 95% newer players/characters, got suspicious, indeed, there is a pretty good sale)

[marble onyx]

It's what brought me in lol

[ripe obsidian]

Fresh meat for the cauldron.

[marble onyx]

I am indeed being turned into meat very quickly the instant I step beyond difficulty 1
I'm having fun though

The frantic gameplay and pure panic when I hit 100% peril is awesome

[crisp ether]

Welcome to the abusive relationship that is Darktide

[ripe obsidian]

That is any Fatshark game

[marble onyx]

"oh shit my head is half a second from exploding and there's four maulers in front of me and a trapper somewhere and I think I hear a mutie"
This is a feeling that very few games I've played can evoke anything similar

[crisp ether]

Don't worry.

It only gets worse. 😉

[marble onyx]

excellent

[short oasis]

Warp Unbound comes in real handy for that-

[marble onyx]

Which one's that?

[zealous wing]

if you wanna shenanigans a bit im around

[marble onyx]

Working currently for a few hours more sadly

[zealous wing]

i see

[short oasis]

It's a skill augment type thing for the Scrier's Gaze Blitz

While Scrier's is active you can't overload Warp

[zealous wing]

if interested tho im always down to teach

[short oasis]

Even if you hit 100% you can just keep goin'

[marble onyx]

Ah
Gonna be honest, I'm really liking rupture

[short oasis]

That's your Ability, Blitz is further down

[zealous wing]

scriers is an ability, rather, while brain rupture is the blitz

[short oasis]

Or yeah that

[marble onyx]

Ah right

[short oasis]

I can't remember lmao

[zealous wing]

blitz is grenade

[barren arrow]

🍔

[zealous wing]

borgor

[marble onyx]

I'll see which of the abilities I like when I get that many talents

[short oasis]

I burnt myself out on Darktide today with Havoc grinding lmao

[zealous wing]

could reach them about 20, 30 is more ideal ofc for a full tree, but also 16 is a stretch but can be done

[marble onyx]

So I'm a bit away lol
Currently at 10-12 or something

[short oasis]

I main Zealot, and Psyker second

My Ogryn is level 16 and my Vet is 4-

[barren arrow]

myes, today i think i will shoot the poxburster while my teammate is trying to push it away so it doesn't hit the entire team mmmmm yeeessss

about sums up my experience with havoc the past few days

[marble onyx]

Sounds like the kind of goof I'd make

[zealous wing]

i main psyker a wee bit

just... just a lil bit

[barren arrow]

STOP HELPING AHHHHHHHH

[short oasis]

For me it's like
"This is going pretty well"
Two LTs and a Plague Ogryn spawn at the same time
"Well fuck me for speaking"

[barren arrow]

woe, twins upon ye

at least their void shields go down easy

[short oasis]

Not on high Havocs xD

[barren arrow]

yea they do

[marble onyx]

What's with the slide spam? Just preventing boredom?

[barren arrow]

heavy attack them with a high damaging melee weapon

[zealous wing]

to maintain stamina

[short oasis]

Peekaboo

[barren arrow]

captains on the other hand, pretty much only way to get their shield down quick is with a chain weapon

or 4 rejects jumping it in an elevator, that one's always silly

[marble onyx]

That makes a lot of sense and I feel a bit dumb for not thinking of it myself even after noting that stamina doesn't drain when sliding for a bit

[short oasis]

I mean it's relatively quick but still a pain while dealing with a horde and shi

[zealous wing]

no worries. there are no dumb psyker questions

[barren arrow]

i usually find it takes 3-4 hits to break in 35~

of heavy attacks with deimos

[marble onyx]

Too much brainpower going to the warp lol

[crisp ether]

Psyker has one of the fastest regen delays in the game

[short oasis]

I've gotten into the heavy evisc recently

[crisp ether]

But not very good actual regen

[barren arrow]

psyker can literally sprint, jump, and have stamina by the time they land lol

[short oasis]

I dig it

[crisp ether]

So sliding lets you sprint for virtually no cost

[barren arrow]

correct

[crisp ether]

Which is nice for psyker.

[marble onyx]

That's pretty cool

[zealous wing]

there be no time to think

[marble onyx]

I can see having stamina being nice if I round a corner to 50 lasguns

Thank you force sword block lol

[crisp ether]

Sliding is also good for that

Yer new, right?

[short oasis]

I love filling the kill feed, I tend to do it with the Spearhead though XD

[marble onyx]

Gonna be honest, as someone just beginning to try difficulty 2, I can't really tell what's happening here

[zealous wing]

[marble onyx]

Yeah, just got the game a couple of days ago

[short oasis]

Chaos

[barren arrow]

that 2nd poxburster just ignoring the shriek is diabolical

[crisp ether]

Here's a tip the game won't really ever fully emphasize to you as much as it should.

Sliding is your lifeline.

And dodging too.

[short oasis]

Gotta love going to dodge and you jump instead though

[zealous wing]

blocking is seldom needed as well, but when you do need it, you want it

[crisp ether]

Sliding is basically a dodge for ranged units.

[marble onyx]

Dodging at least I do a lot
Though it's mostly out of panic lol

[short oasis]

Like yeah lemme just bunny hop whilst a gang of Reapers is trying to fuck me

[barren arrow]

🤨

[zealous wing]

if you can , rebind jump and dodge seperately

if on console, rip

[crisp ether]

I got my dodge bound to my side mouse button

[zealous wing]

the jump is from you running out of "efficient dodges"

[crisp ether]

I've never looked back.

[short oasis]

Nah PC, but that's not a bad idea

[zealous wing]

i have jump as left alt

[barren arrow]

if he's on pc he can just install "no accidental jumping" or someother such

[zealous wing]

sprint is a mouse sidebutton tho

[marble onyx]

The jump is kinda funny in how bad it is

[crisp ether]

Wait is THAT what it is?

[zealous wing]

yeah

[crisp ether]

Holy shit.

Nearly 4k hours in and I didn't know that until today LOL

[barren arrow]

Pretty sure you can jump while you still have efficient dodges so long as you are trying to dodge too quickly no?

because there is still a delay between efficient dodges

[zealous wing]

dw, ive seen people with more time not know book zealot can throw knives without stopping chorus' channeling

[barren arrow]

WHAT

[short oasis]

😂

[barren arrow]

BIBLE GOT HANDS?

[crisp ether]

That I only figured out like

[short oasis]

I mean the holy symbol is only one handed-

[crisp ether]

At least after like 500 hrs

[barren arrow]

tbf i don't play the bibble because i have absolutely none of the gamesense and/or possession of thumbs required to understand when a good, and when a useless, and sometimes even when someone is going to go down if I don't chorus

[zealous wing]

if enemies, book

if no enemies, going to new area, book

[barren arrow]

yea but what about when teammates will simply win without book, and i use it early, and teammates die after book

[zealous wing]

then thats their fault

[crisp ether]

Personally

[barren arrow]

so true bestie but there are some times worth greeding

[crisp ether]

I think bibble boaring

[barren arrow]

yar, but it is very useful

[crisp ether]

I'd rather use any other zealot ult

[marble onyx]

So I'm guessing that part of the reason I should make other classes as well is to learn them a bit just to have the gamesense and knowledge of what they're doing and how I can work with it

[barren arrow]

had that run yesterday where i literally took 0 hp damage the entire game because i was getting enabled so hard by our bibbler & vet

[crisp ether]

I mean, it's useful in a pinch ya.

[crisp ether]

Yes.

If psyker is your first class

You're learning this game on hard mode basically

[short oasis]

I tend to Bible if there's a lot of elites or a monstrosity

[barren arrow]

man i can't even play other classes in havoc half as well as my psyker lol

[short oasis]

Or to hold back a horde while someone gets a res

[zealous wing]

OH before i forget, something happened earlier and its brought it to memory

if you see a zealot with a LOT of wounds, and seems nearly dead...

DO NOT THE MED STIM

[crisp ether]

I can't play the meta psyker builds 😭

[zealous wing]

give them the med stim, sure, but dont use it on them

[crisp ether]

In havoc

[marble onyx]

Lol I don't even understand any of the stims other than med but noted
The red one I'm guessing just gives damage

[crisp ether]

Inferno bores me more than anything else

[zealous wing]

roughly, yes

[short oasis]

There's a Psyker build which procs Brain Rupture on regular kills, which is kinda cool

[marble onyx]

Wait what?

[zealous wing]

yellow is ability cooldown
blue is attack speed / infinite stamina

and more but

basics

[zealous wing]

special attack, look at nearby player, release, gives item

if they have a slot

[marble onyx]

Oh so yellow is good then

[zealous wing]

they all are

[marble onyx]

I mean, good to know, but I meant why not use it on them?

[zealous wing]

because of reasons i will show soon, give me a sec here

[barren arrow]

Why does my psyker not believe in taking damage from gunners?

[zealous wing]

this is a keystone (purple at bottom of tree), for zealot

[marble onyx]

By the Emperor

[barren arrow]

Regular gunmen, big hurty

Heavy gunners/reapers? Crunch munch munch

like, it feels like they deal less damage even if i didn't have the 3 20% gunner dr's on

[zealous wing]

if you stab the thunder hammer (slow strong weapon) zealot with a med stim, it really really hurts the attack speed

it is PAINFUL how slow it feels with such a decrease

[marble onyx]

Huh. So the ones I actually want to be kinda feral for are everything but med

[zealous wing]

med is also nice tho

[barren arrow]

yk, there's some zealots out there who don't play martyrdom it's weird

[raw garnet]

Med mega useful when you have only 1 wound left and need a pick me up

[zealous wing]

if they have 6 or 7 wounds and arent running marty they're doing something severely wrong

[barren arrow]

Personally I legitimately struggle to keep my zealot alive if I am not running martyrdom for that toughness dr

and attack speed boost & dmg of course

[raw garnet]

I just like what piety does sm

[short oasis]

I've been struggling to get good level curios with wounds on them

[barren arrow]

I like beating people to death with hammers

[raw garnet]

But yeah the tdr node is stupid and I love it

[short oasis]

Thunderhammer ftw

[raw garnet]

I'm a crusher main

[buoyant maple]

u shouldn't need to farm for wound curios

[raw garnet]

Love my finesse

[barren arrow]

that said, relic blade also does quite well even with shroudfield

though i might learn to book

[short oasis]

I don't know that I've owned a relic blade yet

[barren arrow]

My zealot just feels so much easier to kill than my psyker when it comes to ranged dmg

[spice aurora]

First attempt

[zealous wing]

lol

[barren arrow]

i ain't even use that node

[raw garnet]

Me when I empathically evade everything

[barren arrow]

I just get shot

And it doesn't hurt that much

But I play zealot, I get shot, and it hurts a lot

[raw garnet]

Simply built different

[marble onyx]

Wait is the gun giving you peril?

[zealous wing]

no, its my ability

[marble onyx]

Ah okay

[zealous wing]

i WISH the gun gave me peril

[raw garnet]

Could you imagine

[marble onyx]

Here I was excited for a moment thinking there were warp-touched guns or something

[raw garnet]

Only staves unfort

[barren arrow]

imagine gun psyker if you could have ammo for it in havoc lol

[marble onyx]

Shame

[zealous wing]

....

[barren arrow]

(i like my fire wand of "go away horde" too much though)

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight is extremely viable in havoc

[short oasis]

Can you link me to a good marty build?

[barren arrow]

honest to god i just played a havoc where we had an oggy who wanted to "not explode from getting shot" so i just played my typical gaze/dd build, but just put bubble on it

[zealous wing]

mine

[barren arrow]

warp siphon seems to be super not-needed for bubble

[marble onyx]

Seeing people talk about builds here reminds me of my brief attempt to get into path of exile lol

[barren arrow]

which is nice, because the speed, toughness, and unholy amounts of damage from dd is super nice

[zealous wing]

it does this

[short oasis]

Why Shroudfield btw? Just curious

[barren arrow]

i got to take a grease of burger into an elevator and beat him to death

then did the same thing to a captain

[zealous wing]

see above

[barren arrow]

mmmyes today i will oneshot the boss

[short oasis]

Oh damn gotcha

Does it need to be thunderhammer?

[zealous wing]

technically yes but actually no

[barren arrow]

Relic sword also works quite well

[zealous wing]

thunder hammer is more reliable oneshot, relic can work tho well enough

[short oasis]

I have one at 500 so it's no issue

[zealous wing]

make sure the stats are good

[barren arrow]

Not as reliable at actually oneshotting, but relic sword is far better for most other situations so I prefer it personally

[buoyant maple]

it's the most impactful zealot ability overall
even though people are slow to catch onto that

[zealous wing]

one shot a boss every 11 seconds count me in

[short oasis]

It was already setup on Blessing/Perks at least

[zealous wing]

eh, close enough

[barren arrow]

so called daemonhosts after a homeless man hits them in the head with a big shiny hammer

[zealous wing]

hehe

yup

i remove the problem

[marble onyx]

How does enemy health compare across difficulties?
Obviously there'll be bigger, tougher special enemies, but will the health of, say, a trapper increase?

[zealous wing]

ill let path answer

i think yes but he's the bigger nerd

(never paid attn)

[buoyant maple]

TH has best 1 taps on most number of bosses
but TH sucks as a weapon overall and u can largely achieve good results with relic blade too
since boss skip matters most for captains (not twins) and BoN, both of which can be 1 tapped with relic blade

[buoyant maple]

which difficulties

[zealous wing]

uprising and up

they are brand new

like, brand brand new

[marble onyx]

Yeah

I kinda meant in general

[zealous wing]

OH YOURE ORANGE NOW

[marble onyx]

OH SHIT I AM YEAH

Nice lol

I asked enough questions to be marked as here to stay I guess lmao

[short oasis]

Still working on Curios but-

[barren arrow]

me to my tabby cat after her orange brother enters the room:

(she becomes insane)

[buoyant maple]

there're 5 base difficulties
uprising - malice - heresy - damnation - auric
uprising ~ damnation: notable increase in enemy health, damage and spawn intensity
auric is same enemy health & dmg as damnation but with higher spawn intensity at base (auric base is slightly higher than damnation with high-intensity modifier), and adjusts spawn logic
havoc brings a myriad of additional modifiers (that are hidden and not conveyed, but active) which further increase enemy health, dmg, and massively increases spawn intensity

[barren arrow]

((the rot consumes))

[buoyant maple]

usually there're 2 tiers of enemy health pools to consider

damnation/auric
havoc

and they're quite easy to convert

for example, a trapper in damnation/auric has 900hp and is fully maniac

[marble onyx]

Maniac?

[buoyant maple]

in h40 scaling it'd be 1350hp, fully maniac

[zealous wing]

armour type

[buoyant maple]

armor type
ur attacks have baked in damage modifiers vs diff armor types, doing better/worse against specific ones

if u've played borderlands games, it's like that

[marble onyx]

Like carapace I think it was?

And flak?

[zealous wing]

yes

[buoyant maple]

there're 7 armor types total

[marble onyx]

Or maybe Warframe before the damage rework?

[buoyant maple]

unarmored
infested
void shield

maniac
unyielding
flak
carapace

[buoyant maple]

I never played warframe so idk

[marble onyx]

Unarmoured and carapace seem the easiest to tell visually I'm guessing

[buoyant maple]

Not exactly

It’s mainly memorization tbh

[marble onyx]

What are maulers in malice, as an example?

[zealous wing]

flak with cara head

[buoyant maple]

Flak body, carapace helmet

[zealous wing]

the armoured ragers are also flak but with cara chest

[marble onyx]

And does that change as you go up the difficulties? Like to full carapace upper body or something?

[buoyant maple]

Armor types don’t change across difficulty

Aside from very specific modifiers in havoc

[marble onyx]

So weak and strong hitzones are a constant, that's good

[buoyant maple]

Which u prob won’t need to deal with for the foreseeable gametime

[zealous wing]

stims my beloathed

[buoyant maple]

Yes, the only “exception” is with captains

But they’re quite visually distinctive

While void shield is active, they use void shield as armor type

[marble onyx]

The bosses with the shields?

[buoyant maple]

While void shield is inactive, they use their bodies’ armor type

[marble onyx]

Makes sense

I'm guessing certain things ignore armour? Brain burst is the main one I'm thinking of

[zealous wing]

path do you have the stims guide handy for havocs

i have someone asking what they did to the enemy types

[buoyant maple]

No

[buoyant maple]

Just search kuli guide

[marble onyx]

No? Huh.

That feels weird for some reason

[buoyant maple]

Brain burst hits enemies’ weakspot’s armor type

Which is their head most of the time

[marble onyx]

... which would explain why on malice I'm suddenly taking several attempts to kill a mauler

Increased health plus good armour means the effective health increase is much higher

[buoyant maple]

They’re best dealt with via specific anti-carapace melee weapons

And high flak bodyshot damage ranged tools

[marble onyx]

Like the small force sword's charge thing?

[buoyant maple]

No

Force sword heavy attacks

[marble onyx]

Damn I'm getting everything wrong lol

[buoyant maple]

The charged force sword attacks are pretty bad for the most part

[marble onyx]

With the breaking image in the combo menu

[buoyant maple]

They’re not nearly high enough damage for the risk involved

Except Illisi which is just a horizontal swing

But Illisi is not good in general

[marble onyx]

Of course the one I like the most is the bad one lmao

[buoyant maple]

Obscurus and Deimos are quite strong

Illisi looks easy to use for horde clear

But it’s not actually good at horde clear

And its ease of use comes at a massive detriment in its single target dps

[crisp ether]

All of the force swords' horde clear is honestly

Mid

[buoyant maple]

Psyker is generally a super overtuned class, Illisi just happens to not be very good

[crisp ether]

Even FGS

Mid

Most just have explosive single target to compensate

Except Illisi

[prime elk]

well you need to count fgs special as part of horde clear

[crisp ether]

Oh and FGS compensates for mid horde clear by having a ridiculous Warp slash special with infinite cleave

Which shoots it up to having explosive horde clear solely because of how stupidly strong that Warp slash is

[short oasis]

Just tried the Marty build on a Damnation, didn't get to fully test the monstrosity damage but it'll sure kick the shit outta elites

[spice aurora]

"feel my eugh" peak comedy

[short oasis]

Reminds me of a line I heard in a Helldivers 2 game
"How about a nice cup of AHHHHHH"

[spice aurora]

:[

[short oasis]

The amount of times this has happened to me

I feel your pain

[crisp ether]

erm, if you actually ran more health you might have been able to be picked up 🤓

[short oasis]

There's a reason he's a Temu Zealot-

[ripe obsidian]

oh hey I remember this

[verbal thistle]

@spice aurora

[mighty fractal]

Oh is that what happened over there

I was wondering how you ran past that DH so quickly lmao

[verbal thistle]

yeah

that spot doesnt spawn it until you walk over the trigger

which is past the drop

[mighty fractal]

Ahhhh

[verbal thistle]

also

psyker is so dumb

[mighty fractal]

I was laughing that entire tiem

When I watched that slug melt

[spice aurora]

Aint no way I havw this same exact clip

With laspistol

Side dodge facing left xD

Today I had max dd stacks and sg and red stim and I think I 2 hit a weakened bon lma

[marble onyx]

One day I'll know what this means lol

[crisp ether]

DD is psyker keystone. And at the best of times, one of the most impactful in the game

Disrupt Destiny. Hit marked target and you get stacks that build your damage to astronomical heights

Among everything else

[marble onyx]

Gonna have to come back to all of this when I'm level 30 and can actually use the full tree lol

[ripe obsidian]

holy fucking shit I suck

I blew myself up in the last 2 minutes of someone's True Survivor run

fuck

Shriek had under a second until it was off cooldown

[rich spindle]

i keep forgetting stab hits the weakspot from the front

[verbal thistle]

Long sword moment

[ripe obsidian]

it was such an unforced error. I'm so frustrated with myself

[rich spindle]

ive done that 100000,000000,000000,00000,00000008 times

[ripe obsidian]

I wouldn't be as bothered if it hadn't been so close to getting someone true survivor

[zealous wing]

oh you poor soul

:(

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know if it was tiredness or overconfidence or whatever else

[zealous wing]

could have also been an eaten quell tap input, tbh, the list is too long

[ripe obsidian]

It's just so frustrating

I was so happy we were gonna get this guy his title

[clear stag]

Even as a psyker main and I've exploded for this reason a few times, happens

Out of tiredness or overconfidence I mean

I feel really bad when it happens still, shouldn't after all

I feel you tho

[verbal thistle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HC9JoKoboAA54dA.gif

[ripe obsidian]

It's one thing if I blow up when overwhelmed, but I had zero pressure on me.

[hallow vector]

imo crystalline will is a great perk to take

saves me 99% of the time im not using SG

i just run 1 wound curio so i can have 2 explodes before i die

[verbal thistle]

I run 3 wound and run at the enemy when I explode

It's pretty funny

Bolt pistol lethal prox also increases it's explosion range

[ripe obsidian]

I blow myself up very rarely. This was just the worst time for it to happen

[clear stag]

Felt

[hallow vector]

it seems almost random for me

sometimes itll instablow me right when it ticks to 100%

othertimes i can just chill at 100% for a bit

[dull scroll]

run 3x wound with exactly 1x 5%HP and you can free explode forever in auric 😌

[hallow vector]

how so

well

nvm

is it affected by movement speed?

blowing up

or is it a set speed when you overload

[radiant mesa]

When I'm lazy asf and not watching my cool downs I tend to pop myself while gazing (bad habit of using a fgs wave at fuckin 96%)

Pretty good at not tho thanks to a dozen different perks that instantly remove ~3% of peril

[dull scroll]

always tap R before warp slice, that habit saved me multiple times

[ripe obsidian]

Hitting 100% is not death

Performing a peril generating action that isn't a staff charge (release is separate from charge) while at 100% is death

Or starting brain rupture while over 97%

My headsplosion was from one LMB too many on my staff when Shriek was just short of coming back up

[quartz barn]

Good times

Overload anim starts

Press shriek button

?

2 sec cd

Oh

[long saddle]

it's very satisfying to get shriek off cooldown and saving yourself the few frames before you blow

[dull scroll]

if you get grabbed or netted it's insta boom

[hallow vector]

SG can actually do the same thing

atleast if you take the perk i think

kinda pointless if you take cant overload but it does do it

[zealous mango]

Brother just smiled as he saw his vet comrades die

[wind wind]

Whats that in Euro 💶,?

[zealous mango]

I am losing my mind, I just spent like what felt 20 mins to clutch

[wind wind]

Dayum that was impressive
What do you do so the voidblast staff doesnt generate so much peril? When i use it its like for alternate fire attacks and i am at 100

[radiant mesa]

The way you use your knife makes my stomach feel warm

[zealous mango]

Got the slick moves

I gotta drop the clutch clip because dude that was too much and in the end gave up with this guy

[dull scroll]

once you go knife, you don't go back 😏

[wraith sphinx]

ehhhhhhh

force swords still too good to pass up

[dull scroll]

the swords are better when your teams still alive

[zealous mango]

Knife and FGS are the way

[dull scroll]

but when it's clutch time..

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/auGZiR9ZYj8

[zealous mango]

How many health bars

[dull scroll]

Yes

[radiant mesa]

My ass would have flopped 5 seconds into that lmfao

[radiant frigate]

incomprehensible sorcery at work here

truly incomparable

[marble onyx]

is the knife really that good? I can't seem to get the hang of it

[dull scroll]

compared to the other meta weapons it's the most defensive

the advantages won't show themselves at lower difficulties

[marble onyx]

ah, that'd be why

[radiant frigate]

stabbin'

https://tenor.com/view/stab-elliwyn-ginny-di-gif-20788912

[deft stump]

You'll understand when you get to the point mobility is king.

[wooden sand]

It's dump stat

[dire wharf]

Mobility for the mobility throne

Sup siblings

Whats the tp using knife as a psyker, besides stab stuff in the face?

[wraith sphinx]

tp?

[deft stump]

Mobility as in movement. When you are last alive, mobility and movement is key.

[deft stump]

Toilet Paper??? I assume it's The Point.

Could also be TelePort.

[dire wharf]

Uhh

No

I'm just dumb and made a bunch of typos

[wraith sphinx]

Death penalty

[dire wharf]

And maybe a little high

Let me try that again

How do you use the knife, besides stab things in the face

[deft stump]

Run around and kite if needed.

It's the defensive/mobility pick for a reason.

Kite a pile of burning things.

[dire wharf]

not me just now getting a 420 17% toughness curio from melk, lol

[dire wharf]

It pairs well with inferno staff then?

[deft stump]

Yes, and you can also get uncanny off it, just a little harder.

Vs push atk spam on force sword.

[dire wharf]

@deft stump do you have a preference for perks and blessings?

Uncanny strike and riposte sound nice

[deft stump]

Taste, I run uncanny FT if I do, but it's a taste thing. I just got used to using Deimos so herp.

[wooden sand]

Hmmmm nah

Use shield

[zealous wing]

empyric resolve. some say its not needed, i like it because cozy

[dire wharf]

@deft stump thx

Oh no..

BFG -> deimos -> knife

I'm shrinking!

[deft stump]

I could never get use to the FGS lul. So Deimos cos I basically use knoife on every other class with it lul.

[wind wind]

Empyric resolve is probably pretty handy If youd wanna build an infinite smite build, right? #warcrimedivision

I take it youre not a fan of that idea, Karien?

[pale matrix]

how does vect make it work?

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-going-to-beat-you-to-death-cat-mr-potato-mr-potato-cat-esmbot-gif-22848174

[wind wind]

Knife is for when i am too tired to correctly use any other melee weapon so imma just arse around with the easiest movement stick ever

[deft stump]

That's dueling sword imo. Lul.

[pale matrix]

also does empyric shock let you deal 0.4x damage to crushers isntead of 0.1, or is it just 0.13 damage you do to crushers?

[wind wind]

Also an easy going choice, true. But i prefer knife, it feels faster

[deft stump]

It is, slightly anyway.

[wind wind]

The question of the knifes, MK3 or mk6?

I prefer 3

[dusk timber]

mk6 is better but more stamina intensive

[zealous wing]

whichever one has the stab as the push attack

psyker stamina regen is so insane it doesnt matter if its more stamina intensive

[dusk timber]

mk6 yeah

[frail oar]

3 is more single target oriented and 6 has wider attack angles. 6 is the better generalist because the pushattack is great for single target.

[dusk timber]

6 is better at single target thanks to the push attack still

[summer prairie]

3 has a better running heavy

[frail oar]

And the nifty punch stab combo

[ripe obsidian]

Honestly, I don't know how much benefit it gives him. He's just more skilled on the whole than most. And he knows when to use LMB versus RMB. A majority of Inferno Psykers I see in Havoc just spam LMB, which is not very helpful.

[ripe obsidian]

Would be 0.10 + (0.10 * 0.3), so 0.13

Well, technically 0.338 rather than 0.3, but it's a negligible difference

[barren arrow]

i don't understand why ppl take knife lol

no horde control, and there's better single target options, and mobility isn't that great in a team about team coordination

like yea I can take the speed boosts available for psyker and go nuts on some gunners, but if I go down nobody can reach me lmao

[prime elk]

🤔

the mobility is really good

dunno what you're on

[ripe obsidian]

Mobility and decent single-target damage

But mostly mobility

[dire wharf]

Mobility for the mobility throne!

Dodge for the dodge god!

[frail oar]

The mobility is top tier

[barren arrow]

right but like

what if you need to like

[frail oar]

And you don't need horde clear depending on the staff

[barren arrow]

do something

like kill an enemy

[frail oar]

Uhh

[barren arrow]

heck two

[frail oar]

You kill them?

It also has one of the best blessing pools.

[barren arrow]

None of the staffs are as good at single target as melee

[frail oar]

Yea so use the knife. Uncanny riposte/precog and youre good

Or even if you wanted better horde clear you could go riposte bleed.

It is way more versatile than you are giving it credit for

[barren arrow]

I use the deimos to onetap crushers with gaze & disrupt destiny

And the purgatus staff to make everything else explode by combining that with wildfire

[spice aurora]

u can use the knife to reposition and still be with the team it doesn’t mean you are super far away kiting

You can staff —> knife, dodge —> staff and avoid a lot of stuff xd

[rigid sky]

I think it mostly comes down to how much you value the force sword double push

[zealous wing]

[zealous wing]

scriers, inferno, DD

meanwhile,

[wind wind]

I dont get this Game. Yesterday everything was fine. And now the lagg is so bad i couldnt even move across the map

Had to log out of the game for today

I am sooo pissed

[hoary mauve]

it happens, crappy servers

[zealous wing]

youre not the only one. i have two friends having severely abnormal lag today

one in saudi arabia and one in south africa

[wind wind]

Central european here. I should be fine ..
I guess...

Alas i am not

Anyways i am done with the tide for today. Imma go and plunder the meals ready to eat section of my Aldi now and get myself a Chicken burrito 🌯.

Y'all have a good one

[ripe obsidian]

For about an hour yesterday, I was rubberbanding to the point of the game being unplayable

And losing control of my character because of weird overlapping or eaten inputs

They've apparently fucked the servers more than usual

[crisp ether]

I swear it has something to do with that 6gb update

My game's felt more awful than ever since that patch came out.

[zealous wing]

agreed

i havent had severe issues myself but i've noticed the smaller ones, and play with plenty of people in comms from various places all having similar issues mentioned here

something in that patch changed shit that likely wasnt ready yet, since it was a preemptive patch for the upcoming update, so we can only hope its a) resolved by that update, and/or b) fixed seperately from that update but still soon

[crisp ether]

Getting shot in slide frames. Magnetized in trapper nets. Numerous ghost hits. Ping inconsistencies.

[zealous wing]

ping inconsistencies is what i've had

[crisp ether]

Not to say this game has ever been perfect

[zealous wing]

but it has been better

[crisp ether]

But its been especially bad recently.

[zealous wing]

velsol can barely play with us, and it sucks

ghost hit after ghost hit

even switching from scum to arby mid mission didnt help, even if youre a tank you still can die

[crisp ether]

I got killed yesterday because I ghosted on a mutant I 100% should have killed, while I was also not even in the line of their grab at all

And then got laid into by a bunch of shotgunners in the grab

It's beyond frustrating

It's like the game is constantly desynced

[dire wharf]

I had an annoying poxburster death last night. I tried pushing it back using l1 inferno attack but it just ran through the puffs

Then I used shriek and it had no effect on the poxburster

[frail oar]

I think that has to do with who the burster is targeting.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that's how it's felt for me. Loads of audio cues playing late, being hit while dodging, inputs being devoured

[wind wind]

Ive had all of the above. Rubberbanding, ping inconsistencies, getting hit while dodging/sliding, pushing bursters and the push not connecting and a bunch more

[long saddle]

I just get my lua manager crashes

[zealous mango]

see nothing with inferno staff here

[barren arrow]

i am aware of this ball

however

outside rotten armor there's just never that many crushers, and nothing ends up LIVING LONG ENOUGH to spread like that lol

just takes too long in 40's and you can't just force specialists to be beside bosses

so i simply run around eating bullets as you do

part of a balanced breakfast

[barren arrow]

my personal favorite was getting grabbed right next to a vet with shout & ogryn with taunt, slammed on the ground, thrown at a poxburster, and just as i'm getting ready to push the poxburster away that i have no other way of getting away from the ogryn shoots it and we wipe after i go down

[barren arrow]

yea when it works it is quite simply peak

I am using a spicy stick so I should probably figure out a way to fit wildfire & perilous combustion back on my build

[radiant frigate]

that's epic

also tilting

[barren arrow]

they fucking executed the psyker

thus, always to Idira

dude i'm atp of node starvation I'm genuinely considering eating vulnerable minds and warp rider but I know that's a terrible idea

at least vulnerable minds would be a terrible idea, warp rider is less consistent I'd say

esp bc I'm using crack of bone to keep gaze active

so my peril is quite low most the time

[buoyant maple]

BCoB kinda just isn’t worth it

[barren arrow]

ppl love acronyms here and I understand

now what does that mean

@buoyant maple this statement requires clarification

[buoyant maple]

By crack of bone

[barren arrow]

ah

[mental rock]

Bcob is "by cock or balls"

[buoyant maple]

Or that yea

It’s pretty authentic to the psyker experience

[jovial juniper]

Cod Black Obs

Clearly

[barren arrow]

I disagree, lets me run gaze for longer than 30s without any other points spent on peril reduction and 0 quelling

If I wasn't using gaze I'd totally agree

[ripe obsidian]

BCoB isn't great, but it's fine to pick if you're meleekering

[jovial juniper]

Just put Precognition in the bag dawg

Kill 30 people

Problem solved

[barren arrow]

i have no points spent on peril reduction, killing 30 people with headshots before i hit 100% peril without quelling is impossible lol

[radiant frigate]

MY PRESCIENCE FAILED ME
perils of the warp
explodes into daemon

[buoyant maple]

Do u rly need 30 stacks of SG tho

[barren arrow]

And I want to actually keep gaze going as long as possible for the toughness dr + speed boost

[barren arrow]

I am rather fond of bonking anything other than a boss on the forehead and watching it instantly fall over

[radiant frigate]

it's pretty great

[buoyant maple]

Ye but using SG to edge peril more is kinda better as opposed to staying at low peril more often due to BCoB

[barren arrow]

lowkey surprised I haven't seen a dog named Glaito yet

[buoyant maple]

Psyker is the edging class after all

[mental rock]

Doesn't just spending time in sg give you stacks too? You don't need to get 30 ws kills

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[barren arrow]

I disagree, warp rider only gives you 20% damage whereas gaze gives you 40% + all the other buffs you get from gaze

[jovial juniper]

Yeah if you go from 0 to 100 naturally you get like 11 stacks
So just take Precognition and kill 19 people

Crits come and go but finesse is eternal

🔥

[barren arrow]

true, 1 per second

but again without bcoc that's quite difficult for me to do

[radiant frigate]

true fact
though i have seen a dog named Death, with an arbitrator named Taxes

iconic

[barren arrow]

I have just a dream active and there will be 8 billion gunners shooting at me and I will be running at them instead of to cover

I will be trying to bash their foreheads in as quickly as possible to get my toughness back with disrupt destiny

And that would go so much harder if I could find a way to get perilous combustion & wildfire on

[buoyant maple]

SG is kinda low enough CD that u can keep popping it regardless

[barren arrow]

I don't want to have to refresh it

I want to have the biggest buff from it I can get

It's about 10~ seconds at most, but that drop in survivability and speed means a lot

I think I will let my greed guide me

It has worked spectacularly so far

[buoyant maple]

If u don’t take warp rider

U prob don’t have warp ghost either

Which is massive for edging peril

[zealous wing]

ok but hear me out.... +20% AND +40%'

[barren arrow]

Correct

I'm not trying to edge peril

[barren arrow]

Can't have that and wildfire

And movement

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[buoyant maple]

Wait what even is ur build

[barren arrow]

Crimes

[buoyant maple]

Yea but what is it

[barren arrow]

purgatus + deimos

Bonk tf out of everything and set hordes on fire, there is nothing left on the map

my biggest op in life in purple/red bulwarks but that's about it

this where we at rn

I have made a crime against humanity

[buoyant maple]

This is a level of brainrot previously thought impossible even by psyker standards (very low)

[barren arrow]

Correct.

I know what I am.

You should see the zoomies I be having

[frail oar]

Disrupt Destiny on Purgatus is a choice.

[barren arrow]

It is a choice that works very well for me, deimos doesn't do hordes

And greatsword is too slow

[buoyant maple]

Why unarmored on inferno

[jovial juniper]

Very based choice

Soulblaze ticks and keep DD timer up

[barren arrow]

didn't really pay attention to that much ngl, when I want things to explode I just switch to my melee and start getting those stacks up

[barren arrow]

sometimes my DD timer refreshes without going up and i have no idea what's even happening

is very silly

[buoyant maple]

Wait why weakspot-kill-gain-3-stacks for inferno

[barren arrow]

Pardon?

[buoyant maple]

Why do u need that node for inferno

A staff that can’t weakspot hit

And u don’t have kinetic flayer either

[barren arrow]

"Weakspot kill gain 3 stacks for inferno"?

huh

Oh DD

Because I mostly use the melee

And I hit thing in forehead and gain 3 stacks

[frail oar]

Inferno doesnt really benefit from finesse damage modifiers

[barren arrow]

The staff really is just for hording and stagger lol

The single target damage is all on the deimos

And it hits.

[frail oar]

Are ya winning son?

[barren arrow]

Yes

[frail oar]

Then we gucci

[barren arrow]

Last havoc I finished with 2 million damage

Interested to see what this fresh monstrosity will do

was just a 33 though not a 40

Finished a havoc a couple days ago with a vet & a zealot just spamming their abilities and I took literally 0 damage the entire game, posted the screenshot somewhere above

He just
Eats shots
Gives shots
And lives

I might take off a node for kinetic flayer idk though, with all the fire I have no control whatsoever as to what actually gets hit by it

[frail oar]

It works well with the blaze on elite kill

[barren arrow]

ik

I probably don't need soulstealer and could swap that out for it

[frail oar]

But yea keep on keeping on brother

Purg is gr8

[barren arrow]

yar, but being able to quickly solo a boss is also very silly

literally the only things that come close is krakhead nades, shroudfield zealot, hive scum shenanigans, and this one ogryn I saw with bull rush IN HAVOC with a pickaxe who just cooked a plague ogryn aliive

blessed be thy krak grenade, but they only come in threes

Usually the shroudfield zealots I run into should stay as far from the kitchen as possible

And a hive scum who can even horde is quite rare

And I literally only saw that ogryn once and never again

[buoyant maple]

Branx/Borovian Pickaxe is 20~22s on 60k hp plague ogryn

[barren arrow]

I tend to have this issue where if I have a build that specializes in boss damage we get mobbed by horde, if I do horde we have no damage for the boss, so I decided to stop having to guess :)

huh that's not that fast

Is that with his buffs?

[buoyant maple]

So roughly 34~37s for h40 scale plague ogryn

[barren arrow]

I think this was another 35~

[buoyant maple]

Solo melee kill times are usually not that fast

[barren arrow]

fair

[buoyant maple]

And pickaxe has slaughterer which is mostly inactive vs boss

[barren arrow]

unless it's mr warhammer with shroudfield

[buoyant maple]

Karsolas pickaxe is quite worse into boss dps

But that’s not what u take Karsolas for

Vet is ~14s vs 60k hp plague ogryn

Without krak

[barren arrow]

biggest issue I have with shroudfield though is you need the horde gone so you can actually reach the boss, and atp you can just beat the boss to death pretty quickly anyhow

vet w/ what?

[buoyant maple]

This is without most buffs active, ofc

And not fully damage max

[crisp ether]

It works

Disrupt Destiny still does give base damage.

[barren arrow]

i need to peep the fit, I can't build veteran for jack lol

[crisp ether]

Just won't benefit much from the finesse bonuses.

[barren arrow]

or is veteran supposed to be very squishy

because i feel like he's not

[crisp ether]

But do you really need that with purge tbf

[buoyant maple]

It’s just really standard veteran build lol

[barren arrow]

idk psyker spoils tf outta me

[buoyant maple]

Nah, vet is the most toughness-durable class in the game

[frail oar]

Not a question of working its opportunity cost. Take warp siphon.

[barren arrow]

this is

a scrier's gaze

build

why would i ever want warp siphon on that

I want the survivability and movement speed you get from dd ontop of the damage

[frail oar]

You can do whatever you want

[barren arrow]

i feel like the staff is getting focused on way too hard, I don't think you understand what manner of brainrot you are dealing with

The staff is just for hordes, they'll die no matter what i put on

[frail oar]

You got it all figured out homie.

[buoyant maple]

Well he is the most op class by far

[summer prairie]

Scum kind of on par

[buoyant maple]

Edge vs goon

Psyker exists to push against p2w narrative

[jovial juniper]

Based

[frail oar]

Tencent truther

[zealous wing]

ehhhh what

[frail oar]

Please don't start him up again

[zealous wing]

blazing trauma could make do

[jovial juniper]

Also benchmark test to see if the paid class is good

[zealous wing]

i was pinged, my b

been gambling for swords

[radiant frigate]

real

[frail oar]

GOAT

[buoyant maple]

Psyker could be balanced by nerfing toughness from 125 to 50 and giving every enemy x0.3 warp DR

[zealous wing]

psykermain2 now has a decent sword.

ideally it be 80 defence too ofc

[frail oar]

Yah you'll probably get it to 420

[zealous wing]

but, psykermain 1 has an 80/80/80/80/18

was hoping for similar on this one but, with only 4mil its fine

[jovial juniper]

Toughness nerf? Yeah I can see it

Warp Dr ? Can't see it sorry

[buoyant maple]

50 toughness means they start havoc with 5 toughness btw

[frail oar]

Justice

[jovial juniper]

Ogryn did it why wouldn't psyker be able to anyways

[buoyant maple]

This is also with tree adjustment in mind

This is total

Current psyker is 75 + 25x2 = 125

Nerf to just 50 with no toughness nodes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[zealous wing]

lol

it knows what i like (blessings at least)

[frail oar]

I feel like riposte vs shred is coke vs pepsi

(Riposte is coke)

[jovial juniper]

Idk

I like how Pepsi is slightly sweeter but I'm a riposte guy

[crisp ether]

That's boring though.

You can fare just fine with DD. It's not like you're losing out on much when every form of your damage is gigabuffed

[zealous wing]

i prefer to not be required to dodge before attacking, very nice if theres a tauntgryn

[frail oar]

Not advocating for meta slavery. This is a min maxing discord tho.

[crisp ether]

Also, soulblaze stacks stop DD from decaying

If a mark is affected by them

[frail oar]

And the finesse scaling wasted partially

[frail oar]

Yah and when the boss isnt looking at you

[crisp ether]

Ya. That's not a big deal by any means s

[barren arrow]

The soulblaze is just to clear horde & for when perilous combustion causes everything to daisy chain

The finesse is for the sword, and the sword is beating things to death

[crisp ether]

If not your purge staff

Your melee weapon will def benefit and that's enough ime

[barren arrow]

The deimos struggles against sheer horde scale, so being able to clear that is very important

Because there's nothing that compares to an infinite ammo flamethrower lol

Even warpshock slash has to be charged up first, and I prefer the deimos over the greatsword in melee

The poke stagger is very silly

[crisp ether]

Personally I run knife with scrier's purge

[buoyant maple]

Personally I run Obscurus

[crisp ether]

Mettle, DD and scrier's movement buff

Nyooooom

[long saddle]

did first shriek h40, went well with some clutch force pushes

well first completed one

[ripe obsidian]

good job shriekin'

How I picture shrieking psykers:

[radiant frigate]

oh wait that's brain burst

[tepid python]

this is it. this is the darktide.

thank you fatshark

[fathom adder]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hpar226IfOo

Shriek + Brain Burst

[ripe obsidian]

futzing around with scrier's gaze builds

Poking bosses with FGS is so fun

[spice aurora]

big stab poek

i think fastest i had for a kill was a few months ago, full hp cspawn, two in a row, both around 13-14s kill each i think i crit like every hit on the head

[ripe obsidian]

I then went into a second game and died in the first 5 minutes to a basic shooter

[hallow vector]

burst fire npcs can really fuck you up

more dangerous than anything

[rigid sky]

Real

[marble onyx]

having a tough time choosing between gaze and shriek
trying gaze with... what was the node called, precognition? because emperor's gift gave me a recon lasgun that I'm actually liking a lot

also ran my first heresy difficulty alongside a psyker friend who's actually good at the game and the cooldowns on abilities were hilarious
by the time I looked at the ability again it was off cooldown

said friend also hadn't played since before the talent trees were apparently reworked (as well as a story reset or something?) but immediately managed to find a build that made him the tankiest member of the team lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek is my favorite

Look at enemies and say eeeeeeeeee and they all die

[marble onyx]

they both seem like a lot of fun
I'm running brain burst with the node that makes it faster and less perilous after ability use, so both shriek and gaze having more reduced peril gain nodes makes it a tough choice

I guess shriek would start its cooldown faster so that'd let me use it more often, but gaze seems to be letting me do some funky stuff with my ranged weapons

aaaaa choices

[dire wharf]

This is fun

[marble onyx]

shriek doesn't really do damage itself without the node that adds stacks of the soul fire thing though, right?

[dire wharf]

I hit a some crusher trains with a shriek the other day, like 10+, nothing happened afterwards for like 5 seconds and then they all dropped

I don't think I can go back to sg

[spice aurora]

i havent used shriek since they added talent trees xD

[hallow vector]

SG preventing overload during its lasting effect means you can be 100% for a while and still be actively using abilities/warp

very good for uptime

idk why people still think vs is better than it

[rigid sky]

That's the point of it, yeah. Massive cone of effect too

[marble onyx]

I will absolutely think the lingering effect is still active and explode lol

[hallow vector]

i just watch the meter

it lasts a good bit so you can always just preemptively quell