psyker-class

[unkempt panther]

Except for the random elite gunner pack that just melts. That feels good.

Sometimes I think that if overpowering souls or whatever was 100% chance on specialists and elites, then we might be talking.

[thorn cedar]

I'm partially okay with EP remaining exactly as it is, which is a Blitz-focused gimmick that is more than functional into mid-Havocs.

I do think BB'ing a Specialist should get you a stack back though because that's one of the stronger use cases for BB, and if you nuke down a train of specialists you just run out of charges.

The reality though is that it's never really going to be made balanced. If you give it global bonuses like Siphon or DD gets on top of its Blitz-specific bonuses then it'll just power creep one, the other, or both.

So really I'd just like to see EP buffed to make Brainburst into something fucken MONSTROUS

cause thats the only Blitz that still feels rather lackluster even with EP.

(in fact, the damage boost aside, I still feel like double wall + BB is the better feeling combo)

[cold ivy]

i crutch on inferno a lot in h40 and i think it's really strong because it's far and away the best solution to the problem it creates:

1. it can kill all non-carapace mobs with infinite cleave, letting your entire team focus on killing crushers/bosses
2. the reason 1 is important is because high difficulty is primarily made difficult by adding lots of crushers/bosses
3. 2 is true is because crushers/bosses are the only way to add difficulty for a team that's running inferno

technically gunners and such exist but bubble negates them partially and smoke completely hard counters them - the only way to challenge a team with inferno psyker + smoke vet is crushers

[rich spindle]

the problem is anything that can apply about 12 stacks of soulblaze to everything on screen, that's the critial point at which it starts snowballing all by itself with perilous combustion

in havoc

need even less in auric

[unkempt panther]

Yea, any nerfs to inferno staff should be accompanied by adjustments to mob spawn rates, IMHO. If I was in charge, I probably would only do minor nerfs and see how it shakes out over a month or two.

[uncut heron]

any news on how they're trying to rely less on carapace waves or are they only going to just be spamming crushers with apeshit level armor in high havocs

I reckon they could just make some special troops for havoc assignments only if they wanna step away from armor spam

[thorn cedar]

They could just delete the inferno staff. I'd be fine with that.

[unkempt panther]

I am not aware of any such news.
IMHO, I think Altansar and s4lmon above identified the critical issue: inferno staff is just a gamechanger, that one of the only ways to really challenge a group with an inferno staff is to throw more crushers or bosses at the group.
On the same topic but from a different angle, I think one way to make it feel less bad for other classes is if they made most melee weapons have at least respectable weakspot damage against carapace, or to make crushers have some part of their body be non-carapace, or something like that. I still think that crushers at high levels causes at least half of the melee weapons to be extremely poor and ineffective picks, and I think this should be addressed, and I think everyone would benefit from more melee weapon versatility.

Like, I think most or nearly all melee weapons should be able to kill a crusher no more than 2x slower than the best melee weapon.

Maybe that's a radical position, but I think that's a good starting point for conversation.

Meh

[uncut heron]

nerfing inferno down to the ground would likely, as youve said, need a lot of adjustments to spawn rates but I think it would be a wiser and more efficient route than trying to adjust so many damage numbers on weapons vs carapace

they should prolly just experiment with slowly nerfing the inferno

[unkempt panther]

Maybe. Dunno. I recognize that I'm just an idiot who plays the game, and I have near zero experience with game design. I'm just pissing into the wind.

[thorn cedar]

I'd start by taking Blaze Away off of it.

I have no fucking idea what idiot thought it needed to be added to a weapon that has NO GODDAMN AMMO

WHICH WAS ALREADY THE BEST WEAPON IN THE GAME

I'd then take all the suppression and stagger off of it.

[uncut heron]

the stagger is just absolutely absurd imo

like my god

[unkempt panther]

Like, just realized, LMB inferno affects multiple mobs, but the other staff LMB attacks don't. Maybe change that. Maybe keep the ridiculously high stagger, but reduce its AOE? Again, I'm just randomly saying things.

[uncut heron]

psykers being able to camp and spam lmb with no worry cause of the cleave and stagger is pretty dumdum

[rich spindle]

What really matters is the stacks. I got a 2m damage game with a grey 290 power inferno staff

[thorn cedar]

That's what I mean though.

It's already ridiculously strong at its base.

Why give it rocket boosters on its training wheels.

[unkempt panther]

Yea, IMHO the two biggest offenders in this game that probably need nerfs / reworks are inferno, smite, (and maybe dueling sword?), lol.

[thorn cedar]

Your best choices should be utility like Penetrating Flames or some shit but instead people just kick the damage up even higher cause we can.

[rich spindle]

You can beat h40 without inferno staff. I’d say it’s properly hard at that point

[unkempt panther]

I think it's funny that psyker has all three.

[rich spindle]

I wouldn’t want to lower spawn rates

[uncut heron]

i think only carapace/flak heavy spawn rates would be affected in my hypothetical

[thorn cedar]

There's nothing to counter flamethrowers of any type but Zealot is at least limited by ammo.

Density just means haha bigger scoreboard number.

[uncut heron]

but the game would just generally get a lot harder if you dont have a soulblazer psyker clearing hordes for you

[rich spindle]

Zealot flamethrower is much harder to use, it’s easy to get interrupted and have to stop shooting

[thorn cedar]

And yeah it's clunky too.

Another factor.

[unkempt panther]

Yea, it seems pretty clear that the intent was for peril to be a substitute for ammo, but the way that the game balancing has gone, ammo is often severely limited, and capping peril is oftentimes barely a limitation

[thorn cedar]

-laughs in battle meditation-

[uncut heron]

very difficult to even worry about peril for a decent player

it's hard to even worry about playing psyker "risky" with peril cause it's too easy to manage

so the high peril=high damage pays off ridiculously well to the player

[unkempt panther]

That might be the real problem behind inferno staff: peril is hardly a meaningful limitation now. I disagree with @uncut heron a little. I think that peril management is something you need to be aware of, and there will frequently be times where you need to quell for a sec or melee for a sec instead of continuing to fire away, especially with bubble.

But that limitation is nowhere near as severe as the ammo limitation on zealot flamer.

[uncut heron]

yeah im not saying that you have to completely disregard peril

but I think their vision of it being a limiter is slowly getting lost

[unkempt panther]

Yes

Like, I play auric maelstrom, so I have some idea at that level, and at that level, ammo for a zealot flamer is severely limited in the sense that you can't just blaze away every horde without a care, but the psyker totally can, with about the same (or better?) level of effectiveness.

So, maybe that should be a rule for the balancing team: staffs have to be strictly worse than weapons fulfilling the same role in the situations where those other weapons have unlimited ammo.

Or peril needs to be much harder to get rid of.

I remember a long time ago, zealots would often take flamers as their ranged weapon. How many self-respecting zealots take flamer now at auric or higher? I play zealot sometimes, and I can't imagine ever doing it because of how rare ammo is. I can't imagine dumping ammo into a mere horde of poxwalkers.

[thorn cedar]

Pre-Survivalist nerf you'd just flamethrower every mixed horde and elite clump you ran across.

[unkempt panther]

Yea, that makes sense.

Fascinating, that the most OP ability historically, and still perhaps one of the most OP abilities, survivalist, has had such impact on this game, lol.

Even after nerfing it into the ground, it's still the best, lol, but apparently not as gamewarping.

Really fascinating, thanks @thorn cedar , I forgot about that for a sec.

PS: Random aside. Why don't they just make survivalist read something like "Shots for you and allies in coherency take 25% less ammo per shot for weapons that expend ammo (does not affect staffs)" and be done with it, lol.

Another random thought, I also now subscribe to the idea that mobs should have a random drop rate for ammo without a vet on the team. Right now, the highest difficulties are balanced around huge numbers of very low ammo, which makes the game play very differently from lower levels. Aka make old survivalist be something like a default.

Or not, and just be like VT2, I guess. Dunno. Ignore me.

But increasing ammo to match with the higher spawn rates would allow zealot to use flamer again, and might radically adjust the balance in a good way, rather than making the staffs so so strong.

Keep the occasional mission modifier to make ammo pickups scarce or non-existent.

[plucky flax]

Fgs special can fill the role of inferno.

The staff is not needed in h40.

It's just the easiest psyker playstyle by far. So more ppl use it.

[unkempt panther]

Ehh, isn't that gated by 50(?) kills. That's not at-will like the current inferno. Yea, you can still do it, but it's harder, like it should be, IMHO.

[plucky flax]

Gated wut? It's unlimited cleave.

[cold ivy]

is fgs safe into hordes without 10% attack speed? i've never tried it because i heard you need that talent node but my build doesn't have space

[plucky flax]

1 special can kill all chaff units in h40.

Chaffs as in up to bruisers.

[cold ivy]

also do you just spam uncharged special to oneshot chaff? idk how the weapon is played

[plucky flax]

So that only leave elites left for heavies spam.

[unkempt panther]

even without being empowered by 50 souls? I Need to do more testing.

[plucky flax]

Not uncharged, 1 bar charged.

To farm 1 charge is really easy.

Only need to kill like 10 chaffs.

[unkempt panther]

Meh, I don't think it's right to say that it's a perfect substitution for inferno staff. But good to know. I really need to play with it more.

[thorn cedar]

Not that I recommend it for Havocs, but the critslice blessing is very funny for this as it completely removes the damage drop off of the warp slash on top of boosting its damage.

If you can survive building up a full charge with half a blessing on your FGS you will be mightily rewarded.

[plucky flax]

I often outdamage inferno psyker (random guys on party finder I guess) with bubble knight build just because the fgs special slice kill chaffs faster than the inferno burn stack.

[unkempt panther]

Fascinating, thanks.

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1456557574555046129/Desktop_2026.01.02_-_07.59.14.04.mp4?ex=699225b3&is=6990d433&hm=4f6ec5608e6dfd217e28f12f507764107941db0b0c1be8080794adc30fdfdf62&

Hmm where is the preview

[unkempt panther]

I guess I was always waiting for full charge - my mistake.

[plucky flax]

Oh now it's there. Weird lag.

But yeah, that was 40 chaff kills.

It helps to have a low warp resistance fgs for extra buffs.

Also with fgs bosses die so much faster than knife/deimos + inferno cos the stab is op
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1456555041640157336/Desktop_2026.01.02_-_07.49.01.03.mp4?ex=69922357&is=6990d1d7&hm=e9d09ca1666775e9d5e28067dd7d715ec7faafdb203875235a6f911c92600d70&

[rich spindle]

Fgs is pretty similar in overall power with the caveat that you have to play the game

[zealous wing]

(old clip, but), just how vicious it is

[unkempt panther]

Yea, I'm pretty silly. I'm still using illisi. I feel bad. I need to use that a lot more often.

[plucky flax]

Illisi needs help. The elites buff killed it.

[unkempt panther]

Meh, I seem to do ok with it, minus crushers. Dunno. Is that what you meant by "elite buffs"? lol

[plucky flax]

Elites hp were increased a few months ago.

[unkempt panther]

mmm

Thanks for putting up with me. It's great to learn so much.

[fiery wigeon]

me when the second best crowd clear melee in the game is good at crowd clear

[unkempt panther]

Sorry, I needed an edumacation.

[manic bluff]

are there any builds for the BB penances?
or maybe just some tips and tricks you are willing to share?

never liked BB and i do have a hard time with the penances

[zealous wing]

kinetic resonance, empowered psionics main 2 things

guarenteed charge on elite kill, then 3 charge upgrade on EP

dont try to use it if youre midcombat, make sure youve got some distance or are good with dodging

you can charge it while sprint-sliding to maintain some mobility

if you dont mind which ability to use, i personally would go for scriers with warp unbound, probably the peril gen reduction node path to warp unbound

idk if theres a dedicated BB penance build but if you dont see one, i can probably throw something together that should function decently, depending if you want melee or staff based

[zealous wing]

whats the first best?

[fiery wigeon]

power sword

[zealous wing]

lol

it has faster TTK on large hordes?

[radiant frigate]

illisi needs like a bonk or shank in its moveset

[long saddle]

yeah, I only slot illisi when I need some chaff clearing backup

[manic bluff]

so do the oen where you need max warp charges seperately

i have kinetic resonance but go with warp siphon for that particular penance at the moment, for elite i went with venting shriek for peril management

[zealous wing]

up to you, thats just what i'd use if i want a BB heavy build

[manic bluff]

i will probably give it a try ^^

[hoary mauve]

maybe double wall? faster BBs

[manic bluff]

[zealous wing]

depends if melee or staff. i prefer overall function, not just, add walls because you can

if melee, you can get away with it

if a trauma, then its worse off

besides, 11.5s of free casting, is nice, and if youre targeting elites in that time frame, you get scriers back pretty quick

and, the damage boost from scriers also nice

[fiery wigeon]

everything about scriers is nice

[long saddle]

except when you take off warp unbound to try without

and overload 4 times in a game

couldn't be me

[marble crater]

Skissue

[zealous wing]

just put on CW, make it a suipsyker run

im working on a bubble suipsyker set up rn for the memes

[long saddle]

assail for overload?

[zealous wing]

losing damage on the explosion from scriers tho, and from the elite aura

ye, and rending trauma

[long saddle]

weakening with rending sounds interesting

[zealous wing]

it works with malefic as well

its a nonwarp attack

it also apparently works with combat stim

[long saddle]

I should try bomber psyk again now that they patched it

it wasn't fun wasting a wound with shriek

[zealous wing]

lol ye

was funny tho

"you BETTER COMMIT!"

[long saddle]

maybe I'll go krieg cosmetics for the full larp as well

[zealous wing]

or what is apparently the bombardier helmet for psyker (iirc)

im tempted to keep using that for suipsyker but also

otherwise, it'd be

[long saddle]

I've been using this for the grey krieg chest

[zealous wing]

same, honestly

when i first got the krieg coat i used that respirator

goes well

[long saddle]

yeah I couldn't stand the reg helmet long

the rim looks so bad

[runic canyon]

What build is this?

[summer prairie]

bubble knight

[runic canyon]

in pinned builds?

[summer prairie]

should be

[runic canyon]

👀

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah bigsword propaganda

[runic canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fe8da5a-85d2-4193-a584-e47a6a8b5135/electrodominance-havoc-40-scrier-smiter

How dis build

[summer prairie]

no

[radiant frigate]

no

[sage pulsar]

So like, being entirely honest? Smite, just kinda in an of itself, is an incredibly weak blitz and is seen by some people (me included) not just as throwing but actively griefing a lobby. Since the permastun turns off a pretty decent chunk of talents that other classes need (any and all talents that, for instance, require you to dodge enemy attacks).

Enfeeble does absolutely not balance this loss out. In the slightest.

Finally there's the problem of forcing your team to engage in possibly suboptimal locations because you are forcefully stunning the enemies. You're not controlling the battlefield. You're taking it into a chokehold and forcing your team to comply if they want to or not.

all'n'all... probably wouldn't recommend using smite, like at all. Sadly

[long saddle]

no

[plucky flax]

noooooooo

[radiant frigate]

thank you for adding the long answer to our short answers

[long saddle]

it was darth vader thinking 20 years ahead

[radiant frigate]

the force predicted this

[silver merlin]

personally running soulblaze duelist build

finding it really fun so far

[radiant frigate]

so, ds4 inferno?

or blaze trauma

[hardy citrus]

Smite sucks

[icy breach]

Could be way better

[icy breach]

Oh no voe is smite cause my zealot brain can’t get me some buff that WON’T really matter cause enemy can’t do shit
Enfeeble as a matter of fact is valuable cause its a debuff not a buff
You haven’t seen a good smite player then (they are a rarity… and those who use it give it a bad wrap)

[wraith sphinx]

Have we had a bingo in the psyker chat this week sibling

[radiant frigate]

i will be honest, i have not been keeping track

[sage pulsar]

a bingo?

[radiant frigate]

yes, psyker bingo

[wraith sphinx]

NB: precognition refers to the weapon blessing here

[radiant frigate]

i think we almost have the left line

[wraith sphinx]

Epic

[sage pulsar]

there's defo been FGS glazing

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-no-limit-to-the-glaze-flight-riding-ftc-glazed-donut-gif-13467296479651443764

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/i-came-to-goon-goon-don-toliver-toliver-goon-gooning-gif-13638435724684596695

[radiant frigate]

tbf agent did both fgs glazing and gun psyker without sg

[plucky flax]

[runic canyon]

I've got your Smite build set up on my psyker

but mostly I am running bubble knight

and infero bubble

[radiant frigate]

smite

[jovial juniper]

4'10

The biscuits loose

China wing

[ripe obsidian]

I'll smite you

But smite in the code

So brain burst

[manic bluff]

that sentence hurts xD

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-apollo-zap-shock-gif-18131306

[ripe obsidian]

In the code, assail is something like psyker_throwing_knives, smite is protectorate_lightning, and brain burst is smite.

:D

[radiant frigate]

psyker_throwing_knives

accurate

[manic bluff]

meant the sentence in the eldar picture xD

[radiant frigate]

i do enjoy psykic knives

[manic bluff]

same

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes, in those rare instances I am not psykering or barktiding, I play Zealot. I will occasionally forget that Zealot throwing knives don't home on enemies.

I am the fool

[radiant frigate]

i think zealot is neat

it's a class that can play Bigsword Knives Reconlas

and therefore, peak

[still spindle]

There is something very enjoyable about seeing a boss, saying "absolutely not" and bonking it with a big hammer

[modest perch]

holy gem

[radiant frigate]

🙏🏻

[ripe obsidian]

Did you know

In Havoc 40

The breakpoint to one-bop bosses is lower than to one-bop rotten armor crushers?

[still spindle]

As someone who has never touched rotten armor havoc

That is the most terrifying, and descriptive way I've heard someone say that

and I hate it so much

Good fucking riddence

[ripe obsidian]

I have a video somewhere of me instakilling a BoN with a thunder hammer, then doing like 90% of a Crusher's HP with the same attack

[still spindle]

Krakin' hel

[ripe obsidian]

And yet, Rot isn't even the worst havoc modifier

Might not even be top 3

[radiant frigate]

cursed knowledge from the forbidden tome

[ripe obsidian]

Blight Spreads is the worst, and Encroaching Garden after that (especially with the stagger immune purple enemies)

[radiant frigate]

why yes i love when a modifier just runs a check on your team to see if there is cleanse zealot

[ripe obsidian]

Or a stimm supply scum

Which is better

15 seconds of team-wide corruption immunity on a <15 second cooldown

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

me trying to describe how much blight sucks ass in a way that wont get me banned

[radiant frigate]

the rot consumes

[modest perch]

yea it consumes the ass by sucking it

[still spindle]

Truth be told, having actually played with them, they seem a lot more engaging than just "This crusher takes 3 years to kill"

[radiant frigate]

having modifiers that just check for a box to be ticked and they are no longer even a consideration is.. really weird design

[still spindle]

An enemy Immune/resistent to stagger is something I gotta think about, my FGS slash won't stun them, so I might want to just heavylas snipe them before doing that

Makes me think!

Although the purple bosses are the worst and I hate it

[modest perch]

dude as much as rotten armor sucks i dont rly give a shit cus i like the pickaxe n bfg

[radiant frigate]

as much as it may suck i have not played dt in half a year

[ornate hamlet]

why

I will remove your enjoyer title

[radiant frigate]

force greatsword sufferer...

[radiant frigate]

haven't felt inspired to do so

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/emo-gif-1771696518054862294

[ripe obsidian]

The stagger-immune purples won't even fall over to an Ogryn charge. It sucks.

[still spindle]

Youch

Maybe thats a touch much

[plucky flax]

Man of culture

[radiant frigate]

why yes i love when things no longer work

[still spindle]

I like using a 0 charge FGS wave to just stagger things on first approach to big groups so I can smack my DD target precisely/a big guy first. It felt right that that didn't work

but that sounds awful

[ornate hamlet]

Also this is stinky design

[weary idol]

they're called telekine knives in code or something like that

[ornate hamlet]

Make game, people are playing normally, introduce thing with specific counterplay, people now use the counterplay and keep playing normally, but with less variety this time

[weary idol]

since they're an explicit reference to Dan Abnett's books

and he also wrote this games story/setting

[ornate hamlet]

The crusher problem in a nutshell

[radiant frigate]

make game, have a little variety, shooters are big problem, crushers are impervious to most weapons
add variety and options
shooters less of a problem
add new "endgame" mode that restricts your variety and makes shooters a problem again and crushers impervious to most weapons

[ornate hamlet]

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/9c59825380bdc5e34440a46809f37a4484ac6699/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/grenades/psyker_throwing_knives.lua#L2

[ornate hamlet]

Very closely related to the powercreep cycle

[weary idol]

damn

[ornate hamlet]

1. Game is hard
2. Buff player character because players are struggling
3. Game is easy
4. Buff monsters because monsters are struggling
5. Game is hard

[radiant frigate]

3.5. make crafting system you already had the tech for before release of the game

[ripe obsidian]

They have 300% stagger resist, which is even more than the red corrupted stimm that gives enemies stagger immunity. They also get suppression resistance and 100 extra HP. So you end up with a row of purple gunners that basically ignore suppression and stagger, heal the ones around them, and if you're unlucky, also have pus-hardened skin so they take 50% less ranged damage

[ornate hamlet]

Inbetween every point, pray 5 Hail Buffs and 7 No Nerfs

gunners that basically ignore suppression and stagger
What in the literal actual goddamn fuck

That's supposed to be the counterplay to them

[radiant frigate]

have rules
start disregarding rules

[ornate hamlet]

[radiant frigate]

[ripe obsidian]

"The healer (unit that would be purple) has -300% impact, reduced suppression decay multiplier, and 100 extra health"

[ornate hamlet]

Add that to the pile of reasons I touched havoc literally once and went back to auric and maelstrom again

[radiant frigate]

havoc releases -> play once, criticize it heavily -> never touch it again -> see it just keeps getting worse

[ornate hamlet]

Also, something I probably mentioned already

[ripe obsidian]

I want purple enemies to be like 20% larger so you can focus them.

[ornate hamlet]

I think the main problem with havoc was not the mechanics themselves, but their stacking

[radiant frigate]

also, deranking

[ornate hamlet]

Having certain modifiers can be interesting, but when you just stack everything, reduce player defenses and I don't know what else, it's just... I dunno, I think it's miserable

[radiant frigate]

can't have anything slightly off-meta in my handpicked group because my mythic keystone might degrade!!

[ornate hamlet]

You have oddly based takes for an *lf

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slide-sliding-snow-gif-18545911

[radiant frigate]

i have gained some amount of wisdom in my years

[ornate hamlet]

Understandable

[icy breach]

Now you know
Purple is dogshit now purely for stagger/suppression near-immunity

[still spindle]

Aren't purple enemies at least immune to the healing aura?

[ornate hamlet]

Next on the list: poxwalkers immune to stagger

Oopsie, there goes your cleave and push

[still spindle]

Truth be told, if done right you end up with the feeling that you are powerful and so is your opponent, which is more fun than you both being weak

That being said...

Fatshark could do better

[radiant frigate]

unstoppable poxbursters next

pus hardened purple poxbursters

that travel in packs

[icy breach]

Yes they can’t heal each other but that dosen’t matter
Taking away one of the most crucial mechanics does matter

[modest perch]

yknow id love to shoot those with a kickback if it didnt have the shittiest breakpoints of all time

guess ill taunt n shoot em with a rumbler

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[modest perch]

or just get on psyker tbh

[ornate hamlet]

That's honestly the best situation

I like being a powerhouse fighting another powerhouse

One of my favourite things is reaching the point of a game where I unlocked all my abilities, so I can go to the difficulty specifically designed with those abilities in mind and butt heads with the AI

I think games like Remnant and Darktide do that very well

Also got some mentions for Killing Floor and Payday

[still spindle]

Payday 2 for sure (haven't played any 3)

The music is soooooo fucking good

Makes you feel like a proper badass

I'll throw on some of my favorites when playing darktide, because good music is the most important part of a good run

-# doom OST, Payday 2 tracks, and the omnissiah battlehymn will make you immortal

[modest perch]

dude rip n tear could raise the dead

[uncut heron]

yeah ngl when you have some hardcore music playing and you hear your cutthroat vet going "GET IN THERE MAKE THEM SCREAM"

it's pretty euphoric

[modest perch]

CLOSE AND KILL

[uncut heron]

cutthroat vet shout is peak

[modest perch]

yea i love my lil ourple eyed warp resistant cadian fuck

[radiant frigate]

GET THEM DEAD
RIGHT HERE
RIGHT NOW

[uncut heron]

THERE IS ONLY WAR

[solar sand]

mobility or reload for dump stat on bpistol?

[verbal thistle]

collateral

[solar sand]

collat is just stagger no damage?

[verbal thistle]

yup

and there is no stagger change between 60-80

[solar sand]

ok ill try that, thanks

[cosmic sigil]

If i don't want to take uncanny on deimos what would be a second good blessing after slaughterer? Superiority, precog, riposte?

[long saddle]

but why

[verbal thistle]

Superiority if you have good uptime

[frail oar]

Riposte and superiority feel good

[wooden sand]

Is mobility dump supremacy coming to a end?

[modest perch]

its been over bro

[zealous wing]

idk why knife bubble is fun, but it is

aww hadron hates me

could trade CDR for something else, like i did with the other curios, but havent decided what yet

definitely assail heavy, but can switch to trauma when things get cluttered still

[verbal thistle]

accidently loaded into a havoc with my +3 wound psyker build

[zealous wing]

godspeed

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/accidentally-fortuitously-by-accident-twist-of-fate-coincidentally-gif-16046335

[ruby bloom]

Psykerdom

[verbal thistle]

its real

[pine tundra]

whats the recommened melee for Flame Psyker?

[prisma nova]

dunno about recommended but duelling sword (mk4) and force sword (deimos or obscuros) are the most common ones.

[verbal thistle]

good single target

[prisma nova]

also sometimes see combat blade

[verbal thistle]

knife, dueling sword, either force swords

[prime elk]

knife/DS/deimos/obscurus

[rich spindle]

heavysword

[pine tundra]

Greatsword not as recommended?

[deft stump]

Just outskill the game, I guess?

[zealous wing]

no

[unkempt panther]

Why do you have a +3 wound psyker build?

[verbal thistle]

: )

[zealous wing]

uncanny strike is recommended for inferno pairing

[deft stump]

Suisyker is a meme build.

[verbal thistle]

its really funny

[quartz mauve]

3 wound psyker is the new meta

[verbal thistle]

I have so many clips

[quartz mauve]

i knew exactly what +3 wound psyker would look like but it still made me laugh

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1472827625448935424/12FB291.MP4?ex=6993fd1d&is=6992ab9d&hm=887237a807e28291d44a86f810f077841fa97fcb4ce5d5adf7483dcc80d9088a&

@rich spindle your wall is ass

2 dogs and 1 burster

[rich spindle]

2 dogs and a burster

[dull scroll]

it's over

wall users in shambles

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-memes-gif-18313491343740183210

my wall checking for specialists

[spice aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/football-security-guard-security-oops-forearm-gif-6579924057773111423

My wall tryna stop bursters

[runic canyon]

is ainz cooking a fatmangus psyker build??

martyrdom psyker????

[cosmic sigil]

Djihad psyker

[wind spruce]

This pun made me a little moist ngl

[wind spruce]

What perks do people like for rending trauma

Flak elites seems aight

[marble crater]

I used Flak and Cara, because I told myself it's for the big boys. But I didn't do any testing, so

[radiant frigate]

flak elites sounds solid

[rich spindle]

I went for cara elites cus everything else dies to soulblaze except crushers

and I mostly only ran that staff on rot

[wind spruce]

Solid reasoning, its not like anything else survives in density with pc

I wonder if bruiser breakpoint is still a thing

[rigid sky]

For the soulblaze one I do flak crit chance

For rending I'd maybe do flak elites or something

Carapace literally only affects Crushers, but I guess using Rending Shockwave you target Crushers more than a burnyblast would

Maybe Carapace is a solid option too there

[rich spindle]

Scab rager too

[cosmic sigil]

Maulers have carapace too. And IIRC, there's a bit of carapace ok Bullwarks

[rigid sky]

They count as Flak for the purpose of core-targeted attacks like Inferno and iirc Voidblast

Even though scab ragers are Carapace body now

[marble crater]

Scab ragers being carapace body is the biggest lie fatshark ever told us, because they certainly don't feel that way

[rigid sky]

They used to be flak

Their torso is now Carapace but they count as a flak base unit

And maulers are just straightforwardly flak body, same with bulwarks and UY

[rich spindle]

Oh they didn’t update it?

Funny

[rigid sky]

As far as I know, no. If you can kill them with an Inferno staff then they're flak body lol

And I don't recall having to get help or my sword out for them

[rich spindle]

They die to soulblaze way slower now

[wind spruce]

Its definitely only crushers that are cara base

[rich spindle]

They only die cus they have lower hp than crushers

Lemme check this

[rigid sky]

Crushers take like 0.1 from blaze though

[rich spindle]

Yeah but the damage is enough at 20+ stacks

[rigid sky]

I could be wrong on this, check it out in the grinder

[rich spindle]

yes sir

launching grindr

uhhhhh

my mod says trauma is hitting carapace but theyre taking flak dot

I hate this game

[summer prairie]

dots hit base armor, trauma hits center mass

[rich spindle]

why are those seperate

[wind spruce]

Does centre mass apply to other splosions

[rich spindle]

im gonna uninstall

[summer prairie]

center mass is for explosions yes

They are separate because there is base armor that applies when there are no overrides. Usually there are overrides for all (nearly?) hitzones

[rich spindle]

I thought scab ragers were taking carapace dot since their update

[summer prairie]

You'd think that was the idea but no

center mass is also for smite and ek

[rigid sky]

I can buy the argument for carapace on Voidblast more now then tbh

Probably valid for rending shockwave version

[ornate hamlet]

Wait a gosh danged minute

I thought DoTs just defaulted to the chest armour type, but you're telling me enemies have a hidden armour type they default to specifically for DoTs?

[summer prairie]

it usually matches chest/the most common armour type for the enemy

[rigid sky]

I think scab ragers are the only exception?

[summer prairie]

Twins have unarmoured center mass and flak base

[jovial juniper]

Reapers as well

Flak Chest
Unyielding center

[summer prairie]

reapers are unyielding center, it's torso that's flak

it's confusing

[thorn cedar]

And one carapace shoulder

They should add an enemy that has one of every armor type.

Scattered all over their body.

[deft stump]

You mean a boss fight.

[cobalt bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-vacuum-capsule-auric-havoc-power-cell-gif-16847841996319999075

[weary crane]

There should be rewards for bringing capsules back onto the ship

[thorn cedar]

Hadron turns you into a servitor for misappropriation.

[jovial juniper]

I have a better question

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-phone-speed-legendary-stream-speed-phone-gif-4108923420328591811

[plucky flax]

Man of culture

https://tenor.com/view/i-came-to-goon-goon-don-toliver-toliver-goon-gooning-gif-13638435724684596695

[summer prairie]

I guess a psyker penance is getting changed

or maybe just new ones, there's also the old text

[zealous wing]

changing the wording to include brain rupture i guess

[summer prairie]

right

[cosmic sigil]

Brain Burst is og name, right?

[summer prairie]

hmm

[zealous wing]

HMMMMMMM

[zealous wing]

yeah its the default blitz for baby psykers

so an event in march and an event in may

[summer prairie]

the second one is just skulls

but Expeditions sounds like a game mode

[zealous wing]

it does

it reallllyyyy does

[cosmic sigil]

Mortis expeditions maybe

[summer prairie]

if it's like chaos wastes it's definitely going to just give you mortis stuff, in addition to other stuff maybe

[jovial juniper]

Mortis finally getting infinite

https://tenor.com/view/it's-just-so-peak-peak-panda-peak-panda-it's-just-so-peak-gif-10789048890486755182

[wooden sand]

They should make Mortis like Siege Mode from SM2

[cosmic sigil]

If they launch a chaos waste game mode, Havoc is so dead. Unless they fuck it up again with deranking-like BS mechanics.

[cosmic sigil]

@buoyant maple

[summer prairie]

It's not unless there's an option to play it on havoc-like difficulty

[cosmic sigil]

We can assume the difficulty will go exponentially

[jovial juniper]

Expedition

Expedition

Expe

Omg

Expedition 33 x Darktide

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/maelle-expedition-33-win-gif-8593410447886639541

[ornate hamlet]

and I'm back

[cosmic sigil]

You were banned?

[ornate hamlet]

my 8 year old account got hacked

it's probably still hanging around here

[cosmic sigil]

Woot oO

[ornate hamlet]

yep

<@&735928989146939404> my previous account was hacked and is likely attempting to scam people from this server

[jade mulch]

F.

What's your original account?

[ornate hamlet]

same name

account name was simply "Pfhoenix"

so sad to see it go 😐

on the "upside", I've learned a very valuable lesson

Discord security is absolute dogshit

I had 2FA and authenticator app setup

account still got taken over with just a password

it's actually had me rethink using Discord at all

[jovial juniper]

Don't worry, they'll start using ID scan in a couple days so they can data breach it later

[ornate hamlet]

yeah, there's no way I'm giving Discord my gov ID info

they can fuck right off with that

[cosmic sigil]

Wait, what????

[jade mulch]

Generally when people get hacked despite 2FA they hijacked your device's cookies

[ornate hamlet]

if you could also please report my old account as compromised?

how would cookies help?

[jade mulch]

which could mean your device has cooties

Well, you know how when you log in after the first time, you don't need to use 2FA?

that's because your PC has cookies that it gives discord that say "i've already logged in here"

they just steal that

[ornate hamlet]

are you fucking kidding me??

[jade mulch]

no

[cosmic sigil]

My fucking go

Is this the same for every service with 2fa??

[ornate hamlet]

no.

[jade mulch]

as long as it has a "remember me" function, yes

[ornate hamlet]

real software security implements a per-device uniqueness that can be validated

[jade mulch]

well sure

I'm thinking websites I guess

[ornate hamlet]

the issue isn't that a cookie is being used to store some data

but that the data isn't validated against the device it's coming from

what absolute dogshit

[jade mulch]

I admit I only took an intro class on cybersecurity so my knowledge ends there

[ornate hamlet]

also, as soon as I realized what had happened, I tried to disable my account

Discord wouldn't let me without transferring server ownerships first

[jade mulch]

but I do know that that's the typical reason of why someone could get past 2FA

[ornate hamlet]

well, lesson learned

I'm normally very security-minded

but the compromised account that contacted me was one that I had done indie game dev chat with, so instead of red flags, it was just "oh we haven't talked in a while"

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah discord has 2 ways of progress

either we all abandon it

or what will likely happen

no one will give a ashit

[ornate hamlet]

people will still use Discord

[upbeat kestrel]

and even more services will become cocky

[marble crater]

Discord, the app that had several data leaks, is not 100% secure and people get their accounts stolen all the time? I'm shocked, quick send them a picture of your face or ID

[upbeat kestrel]

if its stupid

we are gonna be able to bypass it by fake ids

[ornate hamlet]

drinks another verification can

[rigid sky]

Stay in voice chats on your own all the time

Drain their coffers a penny at a time

[zealous wing]

only took me so long to work on vet and oggy penances properly

[unkempt panther]

The moment that they ask for my face or id card, I’m jumping ship.

[unkempt panther]

So, what did you actually do to screw up? Click a link that stole your cookie?

Any halfway competent site requires the user to input their old password in the same form in order to update to a new password, thus limiting the damage of a stolen session cookie.

[sinful olive]

Not required for session hijacking/token theft, a token gets made regardless. Selecting the option to remember the user simply means that token has a longer lifetime so to speak.

[jade mulch]

That's true, the permanence of that token just makes it easier

[sinful olive]

There's a number of ways 2fa can be poorly implemented, it's not always user error. If I weren't at work I'd look at my handy favorites list of pages covering the topic but this one goes into some: https://www.intigriti.com/researchers/blog/hacking-tools/broken-authentication-7-advanced-ways-of-bypassing-insecure-2-fa-implementations

[unkempt panther]

Yea, there's a lot of ways to not implement it correctly.

[sinful olive]

Reminds me of way back when people were intercepting WoW authenticator codes just by using a keylogger, replacing the code sent to blizzard, and using the stolen one to gain access all in a 30 minute window. IIRC the keylogger was embedded in sponsored Google results for gold buying sites or some shit

Sorry, 30 SECOND window

[unkempt panther]

Sounds like they were using a vulnerability in the browser to somehow install arbitrary software, and in this case, a keylogger. Super fun. Possibly requiring other exploits in the operating system itself as well to get a keylogger installed.

[sinful olive]

According to an oldass tomshardware article it required people installing a program for managing wow mods, and the detection rate was really low for the offending .dll

Truly sponsored results have always been ass

[thorn cedar]

lord help me, i am smyking

[marble crater]

Blocked

[thorn cedar]

any time i play a round with an honest to god perpetual smyker i just have to switch to my smite psyker to balance the bad karma

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-22276944

[thorn cedar]

that doesnt make any grammatical sen - oh fuck my pants

[radiant frigate]

it's a grammatical impossibility
but not a physical impossibility

[solar sand]

is this our best BBW (big bossing weapon)?

[verbal thistle]

I think combat shotgun has the fastest boss tkk

but las pistol is close

[thorn cedar]

shotguns deffo win against slug

[solar sand]

do i get more effective damage to a horde from a cleave blessing or the fire stacks?

[verbal thistle]

different blessing/perks/stats

will make it better

[teal ivy]

Looking for a different sort of psyker build to try.

I have a scriers gaze/dd build, and also inferno soul blaze. Good times.

But looking to try something completely different! I’m open to any sort of suggestions, whether it be bubble psyker or more staff dependant build!

Any recommendations would be appreciated.

[radiant frigate]

recommend riposte/unstable and cara/unyielding

fgs already bullies anything smaller than a crusher

[rich spindle]

i cant believe its better than las

no wayyyyy

are you trolling me

dont troll me

[verbal thistle]

I'm cooking a thumbnail

WIP

[rich spindle]

dont troll me on presidents day

of all days

[marble crater]

Have you checked the builds in the pins already?

[crude cape]

what do you say to a friend who starts playing psyker, and discovers infinite smite build, and you log into discord and he's in the meat grinder testing out infinite smite going "oh sick, this is broken"

he's becoming the evil i tried to raise him to avoid, what have i done?

i always warned him against the dangers of smite, where have i gone wrong?

[verbal thistle]

https://youtu.be/gwDexhtrH1w

new video

[radiant frigate]

the council of wizards will excommunicate this "friend" of yours

odds are that the realization of how boring smite is will kick in soon

[rich spindle]

you make this thing look like it has 20% more attack speed than mine

[jovial juniper]

The council or wizards will encourage your friend to keep playing it

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[crude cape]

this is the hope

[radiant frigate]

for me smite was an experience of "wow, this is dumb, this clears rooms with no effort or gear"

[solar sand]

is base crit 5% or 10%?

[verbal thistle]

7.5 for psyker

ogryn 2.5, zealot arby 5%, psyker 7.5, scum and vet 10%

[solar sand]

so with fgs, with 5% and riposte, and all 3 crit boosting nodes, ill have 47.5% crit chance?

[verbal thistle]

25 (perk and blessing) + 7.5 (base) + 5 (crit node) + 20 (gaze) + 5 (souldrinker) = 57.5

[dull scroll]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/279 😌

[verbal thistle]

dont think I forgot anything

[wind spruce]

You don't say anything. You barrel them.

[crude cape]

someone post the clip

i found it

[unkempt panther]

Its still absolutely hilarious, but I have to remind everone that griefing players is bad.

[marble crater]

Smykers are not players, so it is okay

[wind spruce]

Smite spamming is griefing tho

And two wrongs make a fuck yeah

[prime elk]

holy shit my gif finally got approved by tenor

https://tenor.com/view/smyker-psyker-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-18327129578094586864

too bad the gif quality is shit and it's hard to tell it's a smyker

but rest assured that no players were hurt in the production of this gif

[crude cape]

haha wait you did this? thats hilarious to pull off

[prime elk]

nah it was dom

idk if he's still here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1431749474740605028/goteem.mp4?ex=6994d71b&is=6993859b&hm=8b2f3eb6df462b7f2a65b73c06573ab9a22ebb168fad3d277eb977317a595d88&

original clip

yeah he's not here anymore

[marble crater]

Is this where we tell you that discord maybe won't use tenor for gifs anymore soon?

[prime elk]

well you still can

it's just that the search is going away

won't happen until june iirc anyway

[marble crater]

With how fast the world is moving, that is like next week though

[prime elk]

well if discord keeps up with their age verification shit i might not be around in a week or two anyway

we shall see

[modest perch]

upload mclovins id

[zealous wing]

take them to a nurgles blessing maelstrom or red/purple havoc

[quaint lark]

Infinite smite is not good, there smite then theres...smite ughhhh

[deft stump]

Or stimms.

Event count.

[quaint lark]

That poor man, im sorry but you have to put him down

[deft stump]

33% chance of red rager to one shot them.

[zealous wing]

event is gone

[deft stump]

Aww...

[zealous wing]

ye :(

[quaint lark]

I use smite, but I dont do it 24/7 and when I do it, it actually helps keep things down and kill things, im sorry lad but he has to be put down

[zealous wing]

glad to not have to do it in QP so much now but it was fun lol

[quaint lark]

@verbal thistle we need the smyker gif

Gotta put the boi down, or make rashums out of him

[zealous wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[quaint lark]

There we go

[modest perch]

at this point the channel should have a bot u can ping for that gif

[quaint lark]

Omo we need that lol

[zealous wing]

completely unrelated but reminded

doublebarrel is so much fun

[quaint lark]

It really is

[zealous wing]

i ran it on vet and oh boy

[quaint lark]

I like playing doom music while I run it, feel like the doom slayer sometimes

[zealous wing]

i used my sniper build just because, but even then it kicked ass

1 shot a mutie to shreds with secondary

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-they-live-kick-ass-bad-ass-bubblegum-gif-19608228

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/therussianbadger-meme-heavy-shotgun-gif-21645744

[zealous wing]

i was using this thing

[crude cape]

@verbal thistle https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a118e98b-66a9-4d33-96d5-dc33887b72b3/soyker

what do you do to keep maelific momentum stacked, just the fgs special slash and the brain burst procs?

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

[crude cape]

do you actively think about stacking it, or just kinda play and let it happen?

[verbal thistle]

I just play

[crude cape]

i feel like it would be hard to guarantee a kill proc every 8 sec between the two

[verbal thistle]

If I recently got a lot of melee kills I know 1 bar slash will kill a horde

So I don't need 2 bars

[crude cape]

right

i often just throw them at 1 bar too when i run this build

[verbal thistle]

Most of the time

Rarely 2

[crude cape]

but i dont run MM, and i run Emp evasion instead

but i see how its not really needed

[verbal thistle]

Just slide

Yeah

[crude cape]

also left side DD is something different i normally run right, but higher stack count does seem dope, ill give it a try with those point changes ty

so what does everyone think of the de-rank discussion in havoc, should it stay, or be removed/reworked?

[zealous wing]

i feel it should if not removed entirely, be locked in increments of 5, as in, you cannot derank below 30 if you crossed 30, cant drop below 35 if you crossed 35, etc

[crude cape]

thats a good suggestion/compromise imo

[zealous wing]

that way you still have to fight a little to climb, and can get new maps / modifiers, but wont risk 10 ranks or more if bad teammates

[crude cape]

ya, add 'gates'

i dont currently hate the system as much as others, i find it kind of fun to climb

but i also understand the gripes people have

i think gates is a good solution

another thing is, i think you should be able to select ANY level up to the tier your assignment is

sometimes you want to play lower

and you should be able to do that, or host a lower one for friends climbing

[zealous wing]

ive not climbed myself, but i've helped friends climbing, and sometimes theres just good players intentionally throwing the games for some reason, and it causes a lot of unnecessary frustration that thats possible

also a good idea

or maybe host direct gates youve successfully passed

i ALSO think archivum should be removed from the map pool, and your highest clear is not what should be displayed to everyone, but your current assignment

[crude cape]

why remove archivum?

sick of it? lol

[deft stump]

I have always stated it to be pointless, just remove and let ppl select any diff they have completed+1.

[zealous wing]

3 words

shroudfield

knife

zealots

[crude cape]

i never see shroudfield + knife these days, personally

[jovial juniper]

🔥

[crude cape]

what do they do on that map worse haha run off?

[zealous wing]

have you seen LFG emea

there is a huge influx of literally hundreds of people being handed h40 clears from speedrunners over the last like, month and a half or whatever

[deft stump]

LFG in general.

They cross post.

[zealous wing]

they mainly fill emea though, using it as their queueing ground

last count they gave weeks ago was around 500 people given h40 clear penances

which, for havocs, is a LOT of people

[deft stump]

Problem is those that got carried now use that to join pub h40s.

Which ruins it for 1-3 others.

Is one thing to ask friends to carry.

[zealous wing]

was it six who had someone kill literally like 40 enemies in a 30-45 minute span?

[crude cape]

what is lfg emea lol

oh the channel

[zealous wing]

#vox-lfg-emea

[crude cape]

derp

[zealous wing]

ya derp

[crude cape]

realized as soon as i typed it haha

[deft stump]

I don't even know how.

I still have like more kills on 300+ ping games.

[zealous wing]

but yeah commonly known speedrun maps should not be in havoc

i dont think chasm station should be in there either tbh

but at least you have to do one task

but the whole map can be done in about the same amount of time as archivum if you have good boss DPS

[crude cape]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e4223f-b2f7-4b66-9a76-cdfeb4a1bfab/h40-flame-psyker-pure-dps-chad

btw, anything wrong with my inferno shriek psyker setup?

[crude mantle]

Hey, I got hard carried by a pair of Inferno-staff Psykers. Anyone got a good reference for the build they were probably using? I’ve looked at the pinned messages, but it’s a little much at first. 😅

[crude cape]

check what i just posted, should be pretty close to the 'meta' (i think, waiting for someone to tell me im a dummy) for shriek. could also run bubble

[crude mantle]

Will do! My only prior experience with Psyker was hard-speccing into Smite as a Sith Lord, so it’s a bit of a learning curve to explore other builds.

[crude cape]

ya dont do that lol

smite sucks, teaches you how not to play the game correctly

[crude mantle]

It’s super fun though.

[crude cape]

haha well, i disagree

its flashy and novel

but it turns the game off and you sit there holding LMB the whole time

it gets boring fast

[crude mantle]

Well I had fun! Shouting Star Wars memes over mic and frying a horde to oblivion. But yeah, I recognize the need for something new—so thank you for your build.

[crude cape]

smite is very loved by new players

its very hated by experienced players haha

play what you have fun with

melee and gun focused psyker with force greatsword and skriers is super fun too

psyker has a few really fun builds

[crude mantle]

Yeah, my buddy has a build built around just Moonlight-Greatswording crowds, it’s beautiful to watch.

[zealous wing]

build is correct

that is the meta, mamox

FGS my beloved

smite my beloathed

its funny tho

[graceful arch]

i have to barrel you off the map now

sorry not sorry

[zealous wing]

i spent like 20-30 games with friends trying to find the love people have for smite, all methods of use

[crude mantle]

Actually, I do have an odd question. I’m attempting to fashion my current Psyker after Tzeentch—pretending he’s Tzeentch in mortal disguise, here to screw over Nurgle’s plans in his own subtle ways.

How might I go about putting together a “thematically appropriate” build? Soulblaze makes sense to me, in a “collecting souls” kinda way, but I’m also learning towards Scrier’s and maybe Disrupt Destiny for his connections to the Warp and his weaving of Fate.

What do you guys think?

[zealous wing]

every single time i used it, something else would have worked better... like assail, or melee, or trauma

[graceful arch]

the love for smite is stacking it on 4 players with perma smite and watching as nothing dies while turning the game into a walking sim.

[zealous wing]

i'd offer help but im not a 40k nerd, im just here to kill things. @visual trellis might have ideas

[visual trellis]

Sup?

The dumb ass has been summoned

[crude mantle]

Howdy.

[zealous wing]

tzeentch psyker

[crude mantle]

I’ve been informed I can dump my insanity onto you.

[zealous wing]

with your 40k knowledge and my psyker knowledge we got this

[visual trellis]

We need to work together on this

I’m good with theme
You actually know how psyker works

lol

[visual trellis]

Exactly

https://tenor.com/view/scout-and-jester-dap-up-scout-and-jester-gif-11732581728864018390

[zealous wing]

call?

[visual trellis]

Yeah sure

[visual trellis]

Yeah go ahead

[crude mantle]

Oh no—I’ve found my people.

[zealous wing]

team 100 so lawrence can join?

[crude mantle]

Alright, lemme go get my headphones real quick—

[deft stump]

That's just a psyker with access to sorcery.

A.l.a. what my vet has to a degree.

[visual trellis]

Well Tzeentch is the mad god the lord of change
He’s the god of basically like eldritch horror and maddening knowledge

A creature that is a proverbial Oroboros a beast of a billion backs swallowing its own tail in every direction revealing truths of the universe that cause not only the mind to break but flesh to bend causing even reality itself to become mad

So a psyker with things like brain burst and kinetic flayer could work causing your enemies minds to be shattered by the things that lie beyond human comprehension

Abilities like scryers gaze would also fit the bill with the idea being that you’re constantly tittering on the edge of your peril channeling the changing moil of the immaterium into a weapon for you to use while just easily falling victim to it yourself

And the rest we’re talking about rn in call

[radiant frigate]

okay but when do we get to see the drip

[crude mantle]

If / When I get image perms.

[radiant frigate]

[zealous wing]

talk more here, general conversation, youll get it pretty quick

[crude mantle]

I suppose I could give a description?

Obviously we’re limited by having to use preset options, instead of a fully malleable model. But I wanted him to look well-put-together; sharp and keen; thin; a pointed or beaked nose and intense eyes; older, perhaps more learned than wise, if that makes sense. Someone who’d look good on a campaign poster. Someone who’d always have something needling and sharp to say. Perhaps a little vain.

I wanted him to contrast who I imagined Nurgle might look like, fat and jovial and full of good age and grandfatherly wisdom, covered in spots and old acne scars, with heavy bags and a big bushy beard that tickles when he kisses his grandchildren.

If you want to recreate it:
1 - X, Top-Down and Left-Right

• Face: 4-1
• Skin Color: 3-1
• Eye Color: 1-2
• Hair Styles: 5-2
• Facial Hair: 7-1
• Hair Color: 8-1
• Facial Tattoos: 3-2
• Body Tattoos: 2-1
• Scars: None
• Height: ~60-70%, leaning Tall

[zealous wing]

see, i have some bad news

character creation stuffs are random

[crude mantle]

I KNEW IT.

I had my suspicion but I couldn’t confirm!

[zealous wing]

you can DM me picture tho and ill send for ya

[crude mantle]

I made a good effort anyways; I’ll send it to ya. Unbelievable. 😭

[radiant frigate]

are they

[zealous wing]

they never line up for me even on different characters

but i also cant equip reject so who knows with me as data

[crude mantle]

Uhh clothing is the Mind Witch’s Leash Raiment and any dark pants; I chose the Truskan Mk.1 Fatigues.
I wanted the nice blue coat, and I felt the extra straps and bare hands were a little more “stately”, a little extra detail, than the similar Blind Witch’s Raiment.

[zealous wing]

safe to presume youre m loner then

[crude mantle]

Oh yes, and the body tattoo is the one with all the eyes around the body—

[crude mantle]

The squeaky German, yes.

[zealous wing]

if we ever play together i'll just use one of my other two

the banter is a must have

[radiant frigate]

m loner talking to fem loner is fun too

[crude mantle]

But all in all, I think he’s passable! I’m happy with him.

I’ve also named him Not-Tzeentch. I had considered Mr-Hctneezt, but I feel the more blatant joke is funnier and more people would get it.

[zealous wing]

lol nice

smoke grenade penance is slow to progress....

i think the roughest one will be infiltrate suppression

[crude mantle]

You’d think with the crowds we see it’d clear in no time.

[zealous wing]

a horde wave is only about 30-50 enemies, depending on difficulty

[radiant frigate]

smoke penance is also really stupid

it doesn't even indicate how smokes are supposed to be used

[zealous wing]

im only running vet in heresy atm, not comfortable enough with him to take him higher

[radiant frigate]

are you running right now hexis?

[zealous wing]

between missions but yes

[radiant frigate]

mind if i join?

need to shake off the rust

[zealous wing]

come on in

got two slots if someone else wants to slot in

ASBDFJSBDVJ ASCENSION RISERRRR

😭

[radiant frigate]

is that bad

[zealous wing]

fuckin hate it

[radiant frigate]

and crashed

😂

[radiant frigate]

okay i think i know what it is that has been tripping me up

i have been playing cyberpunk where i have dodge on alt

but here alt is crouch/slide

but you cannot duck a crusher overhead

[zealous wing]

3 or 4 more missions of me spamming these on hordes

[radiant frigate]

good luck

[gilded radish]

gotta get better at ducking then

[deft stump]

Just take all 'nade talents and throw at enemies.

[gilded radish]

is it 2000 different enemies? like can only smoke them once or multiple

you could smoke out the bombers and snipers who cant sit still and smoke them 2000 times

[zealous wing]

i got it spamming at hordes with ammo crates

now its infiltrate suppression and Weapon specialist time

[deft stump]

Just spam EVERY horde

[deft stump]

WS is revolver or bistol with knoife or tacaxe imo.

You want crit weakspot kills.

Melee counts.

[zealous wing]

got knife, since i've practiced a ton with it on psyker, taxe is usually my melee on vet but knife is easier to pinpoint weakspots

using helbore though, preference

[deft stump]

Infil is just play melee vet and spam.

They oddly count hordes to it.

When I was grinding it anyway.

[marble crater]

This is the psyker chat, please go away

[zealous wing]

no

this is the NERD chat

just as zealot is the MEME chat

[runic canyon]

mortis trials

you can complete that on a single mortis

if you spam out smoke whenever you have one

especially the tightly packed brick map if you're near the medicae/objective console

[zealous wing]

im already done

[sage pulsar]

Then if this is nerd chat and zealot is meme chat. What's vet chat?

[alpine jackal]

vetchat is the most likely to talk about the actual game in my experience

[cosmic sigil]

if you play private, as a duo, and don't rez the bots, do you get punishing waves?

because I had bursters upon bursters

without the mod

[cosmic sigil]

sweat chat

[pliant fern]

How do you do Warp Battery penance?

[solar nest]

it's curious how unconfortable has become the psyker for me to play it, it always have been my main but i feel like i'm more weak now than never, played with the arbitres and it was much more enjoyable

is anyone experiencing something similar?

[marble crater]

Pick left keystone, kill enemies without using your combat ability. Something that can apply soulblaze and snipe elites/specials would help. So maybe try Voidblast or Elektro staff together with shriek, or Inferno

[half pebble]

My favourite line of psyker's is "NO BELOVED ITS NOT A GOOD DOG" bc i love the implication that even after the emperor has become a callous immortal god who has also died and has 40,000 seperate identities, he still loves doggy

[solar nest]

i wonder if the psyker is speaking with some kind of tzeench demon trying to fool him

[half pebble]

Uhhhmm thats the semi implication but also he has a lot of knowledge that idk if a tzeentch daemon would have

[still spindle]

Beloved is too legitimately helpful to be anything but the literal emperor, the seer's own insanity fueled nonsense, or a tzeentch daemon (because this is exactly the sort of thing tzeentch would do and claim it was always part of a grand plan)

[sage pulsar]

Honestly all i can imagine now is the emperor with just like... A tower of various warp corrupted dogs patting them all

[zealous wing]

im the opposite tbh

i play anything but psyker and i feel squishy as hell

maybe the lack of the extreme movement that psyker gives me

[solar nest]

Do you play duelist sword? Seems like give you tons of movement

Really love the psyker but i feel really weak

[zealous wing]

sometimes, or knife, or FGS,

or force sword if inferno

[zealous wing]

cant do this on any other class

[wind spruce]

Psyker is the strongest class in the game

[static vessel]

no its weak

it needs 5 more buffs

sometimes I worry the devs will see this and actually do it

[plucky flax]

So tru

Don't think ive ever won a game with a psyker on the team

[static vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/why-does-this-weird-ass-cat-walk-like-that-weird-cat-walk-what-the-fuck-gif-10387837565466180938

[wind spruce]

You mean like when we constantly talked about blazing trauma being bad then they buffed the stacks generated AND the cap

[summer prairie]

they didn't

[wind spruce]

What

[summer prairie]

It went from 3 stacks to 4 when they added t4 but the cap was and is 6

[wind spruce]

Thought it changed to 8, its been awhile

[marble crater]

Blaze trauma bad, it should be 8 with t4

[wind spruce]

I just want attack speed buff for scriers

I dont think its too much to ask

[marble crater]

And melee shouldn't need a crit, it should have a small fanning aoe apply soulblaze instead

[wind spruce]

They should make warpslice apply soulblaze

Just the one blessing proc

[marble crater]

That too

[static vessel]

55 more buffs to zealot and vet pls

[wind spruce]

Make it even more of a noob trap

[wind spruce]

Zealot should only ever be nerfed

[static vessel]

[wind spruce]

And vets shouldnt get changes at all

Let them stagnate

[static vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[still spindle]

Clearly they need a nerf to grenade regen and krak damage/AP

[ripe obsidian]

Vets should lose all 3 keystones

:(

No keystone class. How unique. How droll.

[solar nest]

do you play other builds than inferno staff/shield with psyker?

is the meta at the moment right?

[zealous wing]

lol

inferno SHRIEK

inferno bubble is pretty mid

inferno shriek is raw power

[solar nest]

shriek is the scream skill right?¿ my game is on diferent lenguage

[zealous wing]

yes

[marble crater]

It has inferno, it can't be mid

[zealous wing]

inferno bubble means youre locked lower cap than with shriek

[solar nest]

this seems like an anti horde build right? are not people angry cause you don't play bubble on havoc?

[zealous wing]

some people demand bubble, that doesnt make it meta

bubble knight is good

[rich spindle]

Bubble was much stronger before everyone got buffed

Now it’s easier to maintain toughness through shooter chip

[zealous wing]

if you cant take out the gunners in 6.6 seconds that bubble isnt gonna be up long anyway

bubbleknight is a great anti-gunner build

reconlas with EE to walk into gun fire, bubble to mark where the team needs to move

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno + Bubble is the H40 meta, unfortunately

[zealous wing]

is it meta or do people demand it

[solar nest]

don't you miss some range damage on inferno shriek build?

[ripe obsidian]

It also rarely lasts past the minimum of 6.6 seconds due to the increase in shooters

[zealous wing]

you lose range damage without shriek

[still spindle]

Inferno bubble is the build you pull when you don't trust your team to keep themselves alive, so you decide to do it yourself

[ripe obsidian]

Those are synonyms

[zealous wing]

i define meta as "strongest possible option"

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I feel helpless on bubble. Shriek gives me a lot more ability to deal with threats

Bubble is only really the better choice on a few maps imo

And only if your team is uncoordinated

[still spindle]

I play almost exclusively with randoms, so sadly that's rather common

[solar nest]

yeah me too that's why i feel like the bubble is very need it when a bunch of faar gunners appear

[still spindle]

It's nice to be able to just say "well that's stupid, have a bubble and please don't die"

Homestly if you have a team that knows the map and knows how to slide it isn't needed

There are plenty of options for gunner control that don't demand you take such a damage loss

[solar nest]

i feel overall the game players base don't play as good as they think

that including me of course

game feels harder and harder after each update

[zealous wing]

thats because it is

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek + Kinetic Flayer + Perilous Combustion + Wildfire will handle gunners better than bubble so long as you can get within 30m

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty level? I can join you at some point, once I have set up my desk and PC again. Just moved this weekend. I can play Arby so no doubling of Psyker

[solar nest]

Yes, lately I've noticed that I really feel how adrenaline runs through every part of my body when I play Aurico Maelstrom, I don't know if I like it or not to be honest, it tires me after a couple of games, especially playing a headbuster build with the psyker that I saw with Mister E, it's a bit complicated although fun but it's like you have to be super awake at all angles constantly

[ripe obsidian]

Mister E has bad builds.

[sinful olive]

Some people prefer it. Actual meta with good players is shriek, but good luck if you're playing with randoms.

[ripe obsidian]

He's a solid enough player, but he has bad builds and bad takes.

[solar nest]

oh do you think so? i'm not sure where to look for a build, pèople here told me that gameslanterns build has tons of sht builds too

[ripe obsidian]

I've played with him a few times. He lacks situational awareness a lot of the time, particularly on Arby. Just rushes ahead and abandons the team

[sinful olive]

Check pins

[ripe obsidian]

Friend, countrypsyker, look ye upon the pins

[solar nest]

thanks , i will check it

[still spindle]

The beloved has blessed Six with the truth as to psyker

[zealous wing]

the "bonanza"

six, btw

since youre here

[ripe obsidian]

Is not just me. I have had help

[zealous wing]

veteran things

[ripe obsidian]

I am a pretty mediocre veteran

[zealous wing]

exestance FOV change upon activation

[ripe obsidian]

There is a mod to kill that

[zealous wing]

it seemed to "stick" sometimes, as great as it is when im SHOOTING, melee is painful at that fov

know what the mod is called?

[ripe obsidian]

I think this one

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/91

[zealous wing]

thank ye

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help

[ripe obsidian]

I played Inferno + Bubble the other day because I was tired and wanted to turn off brain in a way Shriek cannot. It was painful.

I felt so weak

https://tenor.com/view/fall-the-lich-lich-king-adventure-time-litch-gif-3630070497349253076

How I feel playing Shriek

Look at horde, "Fall."

With bubble, I just feel so impotent

[still spindle]

My brain off only the will of the warp build is melee scriers with KF

No thoughts head empty, hit angry button and smack the things you don't like

[zealous wing]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-groundhog-fire-breath-yell-gif-14070248

[sinful olive]

Not even just the massive difference in damage/burst. Its on demand stagger/close range knockdown and low cooldown gives you so much agency, and you rely way less on your team to keep you safe.

That and applying soulblaze to a million things makes a nice little feedback loop for rapidly gaining charges again

With bubble, your damage is a lot more gimped most of the time simply by virtue of mostly having to stay at low or no charges

[cosmic sigil]

@verbal thistle or @formal harness you know?

[barren arrow]

ppl think shield is meta because positioning is just something that happens to other people

the bubble is not helping you with the 9 billion crushers

[verbal thistle]

No you don't get punished for not ressing the bots

You were probably seeing a special surge

[cosmic sigil]

mfg that went quite bonkers

Oh wait

That was during an event

I am sure the intensity increases if you take too much time

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-man-bubble-gum-bubble-pops-gum-all-over-face-gif-14607229

reaper vs bubble

[verbal thistle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mf1osk/the_specials_of_darktide_and_their_inner_workings/

@cosmic sigil

There is only 3 types of special wave punishment

Loner, rush prevention, and forgot the 3rd

[summer prairie]

Blockade

Well