psyker-class

[verbal thistle]

I dont lose wounds from peril

well

only the 1st 3

[zealous wing]

i thought they fixed the exploit

[verbal thistle]

nope

[zealous wing]

damn xD

but i shoulda known, its fatshark

[shut shell]

whut

[zealous wing]

theres an exploit where if you have a certain set up, you cannot outright die from peril overload

its bug technically, but, its severe enough to be an exploit imo

its really funny though

[sage pulsar]

was that where you originally actively wanted to die?

[heavy dagger]

i thought this got fixed, i remember being able to spam voidblast without dying lol

[plucky compass]

phew

[heavy dagger]

should i drop essence harvest for empyric shock on my inferno build

[verbal thistle]

emp shock isnt worth

only argument is for EK left click build

you are losing alot of dps not using right click on purg

[heavy dagger]

i figured, only considered it bc i saw mister e's video

[verbal thistle]

sorry for your loss

[heavy dagger]

yea when i use purg i never use lmb

[prime elk]

LMB has good stagger

It’s just not a dps tool

[modest perch]

id argue essence harvest also isnt worth it

[dull scroll]

I do use Emp Shock on inferno

the thing is the staff only stacks up to 15 warpfire

once you hit that cap the best thing to do is farm cc with primary, and of course, emp shock stacks for that juicy warp dmg increase

[ripe obsidian]

Gross.

[dull scroll]

the real thing that's gross is wildfire, that thing is a noob trap through and through on shriek builds 😏

[ripe obsidian]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1qvp8ut/double_standard_on_horde_clearing_tool/

Wtf is this

Smite is not a horde clear tool.

[unkempt panther]

If you want to go twice as slow, but be "safer" while doing so, and also annoy the whole team because of how boring it is, then meh.

[ripe obsidian]

This is like the second or third smite post in the last week or two

[unkempt panther]

well, current 100% uptime smite is really annoying.

[ripe obsidian]

Agreed.

Smite sucks

Rather, smite is too strong

Therefore it sucks to play with

[unkempt panther]

I just think the uptime is too much. Make it like 10% uptime, aka a clutch "oh shit" button, then it should be ok, IMO.

Such as through a separate regenerating ammo pool like assail.

[hallow vector]

i like smite for things like ragers/crushers

[unkempt panther]

I could see a really valid use with LMB catching out annoying poxbombers too

err, poxbursters*

[ripe obsidian]

Which is to say, arby shock mine

[unkempt panther]

Well, plus the ability to do a quick-cast single-target zap like current LMB on a much shorter cooldown / no cooldown.

[ripe obsidian]

"Smite is actively the solution to crushers. Stun the bitches and let a teammate that can get through the armor deal with it. If you're the teammate that can get through the armor and you're not, them going down after stunning a crusher with electric jazz hands is on you. To my knowledge there isn't a lot a psyker can do to get through armor if they don't have a void strike staff"

Comment from that thread.

I

Just

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-ihnmaims-am-hate-hate-speech-gif-1392574611171398983

[unkempt panther]

lols

[marble crater]

It's true, only voidstrike can deal with crushers

[unkempt panther]

I would offer that smite should be a solution to when the director decides to send a giant mixed horde at you, dozens of ragers, maulers, and a dozen crushers for good measure.

At least to delay it a little bit to give time to your other team members to work on it and or to reposition.

but that use should probably be one of the longest effective cooldowns in the game. I'm serious like maybe 2 minutes if you want to stun the screen for 15 sec.

Maybe longer cooldown.

[marble crater]

Just kill the mixed horde, smh

[unkempt panther]

I've seen people get overwhelmed even at the highest skill tier. There's a place for arby shock mines and a "oh shit; stun the screen so we can reposition" ability.

[ripe obsidian]

"When people shit on me for running smite I run assail. I refuse to use brain burst"

Another comment.

[thorn cedar]

I've been shamelessly smiting lately tbh

[marble crater]

Eww

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[cosmic sigil]

mfg that event is the worst

[wind spruce]

These comments are why ive been banned from the subreddit for calling people stupid

[thorn cedar]

I kinda wanna see EP smite reworked and Smite itself .... buuuufffffeed??

[unkempt panther]

I think we all do.

But also nerfed into the ground in terms of uptime for stun the whole screen

At least I do.

[thorn cedar]

I love EP Smite having actual damage so that my short blasts can actually clear trash and even scoop up a couple low hp elites to kick off Perilous

But I hate losing out on all the global damage bonuses DD would be giving my weapons

[unkempt panther]

EP smite with a bazillion longer cooldown should be base smite. Then do something with EP smite. I think EP itself is pretty underwhelming for BB and assail.

[thorn cedar]

Really EP as a whole is just flawed, let alone EP Smite.

[prime elk]

Smite shouldn’t be a channeled ability

[dull scroll]

EP bb is top tier

EP assail also pretty decent

if you have EP bb the passive bb proc'd by kf are empowered for free

[wind spruce]

if you want to gimp your kit vs maulers and larger, sure

[unkempt panther]

I disagree. I like the underlying concept of EP: allow you to spam your blitz more than usual. I think that's a good idea. The implementation is just bad, and IMHO it's bad for assail and brain burst largely for the same reason: It's unreliable. The way you get charges is unreliable (unless you have that one point for an elite gunner group), which means you can't plan around it; you can't play around it. Which means it's like kinetic flayer: Something that's occasionally nifty when it goes off, but you can't make your build around it, which is what a keystone should be IMO.

[dull scroll]

well that's not what assail is for, if you use assail you better have something else in your kit for maulers and larger

[unkempt panther]

Dunno, I guess I have to watch you or someone like you play, because I strongly feel that I do better overall when spamming assail when I take warp siphon.

[wind spruce]

yes and usually that something really wants you to have DD

[unkempt panther]

Disrupt destiny is probably even better still.

[dull scroll]

the amount of charges you get is very reliable in higher diff, with the amount of elites/specials running around

[unkempt panther]

specials IIRC don't interact with that keystone. Just elites.

[wind spruce]

i do agree with this

[unkempt panther]

If it was specialists too for a guaranteed charge, then we might be talking.

[wind spruce]

EP assail can definitely be relied upon and you dont need a charge going into a fight because you'll get one in short order

[unkempt panther]

I think to make EP feel good to use, you need to fix the charge mechanic to not be so random. It needs to be constant, or something more like disrupt destiny. IMO.

[wind spruce]

it shreds rager and gunner packs like nothing else in psykers kit

[unkempt panther]

While very true, that's not good enough for a keystone. You need more.

[wind spruce]

yes, thats what ive been saying

[unkempt panther]

Offhand, I really think they should nerf base assail ammo recharge rate, slightly buff base assail damage, and then put a lot of ammo regeneration rate improvement on EP. It could even be the current random trigger, maybe.

But I'm just an idiot. Ignore me.

[ornate hamlet]

Unquenchable wrath directed towards Reddit psykers

[unkempt panther]

I wouldn't honestly mind if they reworked smite to be pysker's krak grenades, so it was actually their answer to crushers. That would be fun.

But that's kinda BB, so wait, nevermind.

Why can't BB one-shot crushers? Lol. Veteran krak can. Oh well, I guess psyker has enough cool toys.

[wind spruce]

yeah, no...

assails base charge rate was already nerfed

putting more of it into EP would just pidgeon hole it into that keystone

[wind spruce]

because BB has no cooldown

[unkempt panther]

Mostly sarcastic, but yes.

Then again, with recent vet update, are you sure that krak has a cooldown? /s

[dull scroll]

ngl though, not getting EP stack on bb special kill does sting

[plucky compass]

[ripe obsidian]

Here's a smite rework idea: place a charge on an enemy, and when they die they stun enemies around them based on the strength of the enemy dying. So you have a recharging ball of zap you can toss on a crusher, which stuns X enemies, but if you put it on a groaner, it stuns like 3

[unkempt panther]

I wonder if it's really true that there's some mid-difficulty dev on the design team who loves smite psyker spam, and that's why it won't ever be fixed, lol.

Or is the other rumor true that they cater to certain Chinese fans, who are very vocal with review bombing on steam if you so much as dare to think about nerfing their dueling sword?

[wind spruce]

i dont think they need to make smite that unique overall

just give psyker some damn stagger

[unkempt panther]

Smite as is, except on a longer cooldown gated by a separate regenerating ammo counter ala assail. That's still my best idea I think.

[spice aurora]

the best blitz is forgetting u have one and not ever using it 😎

[unkempt panther]

other random idea: Smite is always single target. LMB is same low damage stun-lock. RMB is higher damage over time based on how long your initial casting, and decrease the time to stun based on how long you hold the initial casting. Still needs to be lower long-term damage over time compared to brain burst, of course, but it gives it a slightly unique feel.

And they could fix the secondary node of smite that buffs your melee attacks to actually do something. Is that still the worst node in the game? It feels like it.

[spice aurora]

replace assail with ogryn rock, give ogryn assail

[unkempt panther]

Or maybe a much smaller area of effect / spread for RMB.

[hardy citrus]

idk

smite i feel just shouldnt be what it is

idk what it looks like for human psykers

but librarians using smite is stronger than an astartes bolter

[unkempt panther]

I was thinking it could be an instant narrow line area effect damage. A few people complained that it would overlap with shriek too much.

[ornate hamlet]

I'd say one of the current balance problems is that peril barely has any danger

At the very least in VT2 you would take health damage when quelling manually

[hardy citrus]

vt2 had thp

which obviously

[ornate hamlet]

You could have an infinite ammo ranged weapon that even had two cool fire modes, but you took health damage from spamming it

[hardy citrus]

you'd just generally manual quell on thp

[ornate hamlet]

THP still shared the same pool as the HP

Toughness being a separate bar already presents other problems to the game, like how vet just cools the plasma gun by taking toughness damage and can negate that by killing one elite/special every now and then

Also, did VT2 allow THP from ranged kills?

[hardy citrus]

well plasgun vet

also has the passive regen if he's not been hit recently

[hardy citrus]

i believe it was possible with the stagger stuff?

[ornate hamlet]

A dude with a gun ironically is in more immediate danger of damage than a dude with demons in the head

Society

[hardy citrus]

nah

[ornate hamlet]

The dangerous ones are, in fact, not the quiet ones

[hardy citrus]

vet can vent entire thing and he loses like

10% at max

[ornate hamlet]

10% more than psyker

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slide-sliding-snow-gif-18545911

[hardy citrus]

(it regens immediately)

[ornate hamlet]

I know

[hollow summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192600678166700172/1468337682051633327/InShot_20230116_154652778.mp4?ex=69845047&is=6982fec7&hm=515d179e00f2b2b4bd3ced48f1bf1ce8cf3cd774e0205259e9cc67037a736fa6&

[cosmic sigil]

ass hail

[nimble laurel]

is qq cancelling quicker than block cancelling

[unkempt panther]

Would still be something if we took toughness damage from manual quelling.

Instead, with quietude, we actually gain toughness from manual quelling, lol.

[crisp ether]

Why would you look at reddit. Why would you do this to yourself.

[unkempt panther]

It hits itself in confusion.
It's very effective.

[ripe obsidian]

I am but a fool

[unkempt panther]

A fool in love? With fire?

[crisp ether]

Man the time I caught someone lying about playing Havoc on reddit was funny.

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate

[ornate hamlet]

Elaborate immediately, in fact

I personally played once and am now an expert

[crisp ether]

Had to take screenies with my phone cuz I'm not home but

[verbal thistle]

my eyes

bright mode

https://tenor.com/view/horangipower-cat-sleeping-sleeping-cat-talking-to-cat-ranting-gif-4642523517141133295

[crisp ether]

I haven't opened reddit on this phone in eons

Literally opened it just to find that funny interaction.

[ornate hamlet]

I understand nothing of that, as intended

[crisp ether]

Basically. Rushing in havoc is big no no

Game is coded to punish teams for doing that because TEFL2 straight up does not give a shit about what's already on the field and will throw every spawn you pass by without any sort of mercy.

So rushing to "outpace" the enemies will inevitably result in more things being on the field than a team can reasonably handle.

[buoyant maple]

bright mode 🙁

[crisp ether]

LOOK I HAVENT TOUCHED REDDIT IN A WHILE!

Give me a break 😭

[buoyant maple]

basically
maps have certain checkpoints that when u progress through them, can trigger spawns
in havoc this can very easily snowball into situation where u can't dps check everything because of their density & health
good teams ideally progress fast (because they kill the things that spawn quickly) but don't rush these checkpoints one after another like a checklist

map spawn trigger + timed horde + surge + sandwich is very easy to cause a wipe

[verbal thistle]

Ambiance stacking up is scary since ogryn spawn rate is like 300%

[buoyant maple]

ur supposed to go through the map quickly but not by rushing

just killing stuff that spawn in and moving as a team quickly (less looting for example)

there's less deviation from main path for loot because it just adds extra time and the returns aren't as worth

[crisp ether]

And that's okay. As long as you are aware you don't know so as what is happening here, people can inform you as to what actually happens in havoc.

Unlike that goober who acted like they knew what they were talking about when it's extremely easy for someone who has played it to know they're just talking bullshit.

Which is just weird to me.

Like why lie about something like that?

[ornate hamlet]

Sometimes people genuinely think they know more than they actually do

It usually becomes a problem when they act super confident and then get pissy when corrected, because of some ego battle bullshit that people develop with social interactions

[verbal thistle]

dunning kruger moment

its so common in this community

[buoyant maple]

https://klipy.com/gifs/devious-evil-cat

[ornate hamlet]

Discussions also devolve radically due to some weird tendency people have to interpret things in the worst way they can think of for the sake of creating a reason to argue

[buoyant maple]

misinformation is only good when I'm the one spreading them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ornate hamlet]

And due to them thinking they can do no wrong, they take that interpretation as truth and start tearing the other person like they actually did say the worst thing possible

[teal ivy]

You know, while I definitely understand this concept, I have a hard time following it.

The extra 15 seconds it takes to check a couple chest along the way that’s beside the main path is almost always worth it in my experience. Extra health packs, med sticks, hell just ammo makes a difference between a wipe and a win

But I do agree that people going out of their way to run around all over the map solo to find stuff is stupid

[buoyant maple]

I can get spending a few extra seconds when there's not as much fighting to grab ammo/stim etc, but usually no long routes (like dark communion cellar tunnel is usually just linear push)
also there're no "extra" health packs, only up to 2 spawn on the map

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, there's a limit to pickups too?

[buoyant maple]

only 2 medpacks and 2 ammo crates spawn per map

I wrote this in my guide pretty clearly

[ornate hamlet]

Guaranteed, or can they just decide to spawn 1 or 0?

[buoyant maple]

guaranteed

[ornate hamlet]

Huh, neat

[teal ivy]

Fair, but it’s always fun to find one 😁

Still, i agree that it’s not worth it to get too side tracked finding them. Often times it just leads to a trapper or hound getting you

[buoyant maple]

but u may not find them both

[verbal thistle]

loner coherency does spawn mutants and dogs more likely to target you, so you need to be ready for them

Wait

idk if it spawns or replaces currently spawning specials with a mutant/dog

[ripe obsidian]

I know enough to know I know nothing. Is why I just steal builds from other people.

[ripe obsidian]

I believe there is code to shuffle items around based on how the team is performing? Like, more likely to find a medkit if your team is hurting? I haven't looked at that code in a while.

[buoyant maple]

smth like that

idk the details

[unkempt panther]

Obligatory picture, for me

Also, I'm old. There are probably people here in this server who weren't even born in 2004.

[zealous wing]

probably

[unkempt panther]

almost certainly even, that's what, 21, 22?

[zealous wing]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

One thing that I found to disprove the anonymity part is actually Rythm 0, by uhhh

That woman with the soccer player name

She let people publicly do what they wanted with her body for hours, and it wasn't like those people were anonymous when they were out there exposing their faces to the people around them

But the lack of consequences for their actions just kept piling up, and it reminds of that one famous quote: "silence is consent"

By not having consequences for their actions, people felt enabled to keep doing it

I vaguely recall reading some article on the future repeat of crimes when comparing immediate punishment vs. delayed punished, such as caught on the act vs. caught through an investigation days later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_0

I can never spell this word right

[teal ivy]

This was my ride or die meme for years

I salute you, fellow old person.

[ornate hamlet]

I would look for the article, but the stuff I'm finding needs university emails and Google Scholar refuses to search

Granted I don't even remember the article, so odds are I might just get something similar

[deft stump]

You kiddo.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[deft stump]

Old froggy Seven. Heh.

[ripe obsidian]

I am ancient

[spice aurora]

invited a rank 19 smite psyker to refinery h40 final toll stims and carapace seed

perma dead xD

[verbal thistle]

I have a purple red, I want a smite psyker to try and join

[white sky]

Hell yeah

[deft stump]

You want to watch them suffer?

[verbal thistle]

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Did ya win?

Casual 70 minute game

[zealous wing]

i dont understand such a useless scoreboard

[rich spindle]

Read that in sepiroths voice

[ornate hamlet]

Vermintide green circle reference

[urban creek]

yo lads i recently picked up the arby and gotta say after playing melee psyker it feels weird being somewhat inately tanky

[cobalt bone]

For me psyker doesnt really feel squishy

You have Just so many ways to generate toughness for free it aint even funny

The only "squishyness" i feel when you get overhead striked from crusher

[wind spruce]

yeah psyker has insane toughness gen but has simply nowhere near the DR arbites has

decent TDR depending on build, but as soon as your health is affected you get spiked down

[alpine comet]

Yooo I’m trna build a strike team of psychers

Who’s in

[hardy citrus]

bro is trying to build exodia

[urban creek]

Yea ive felt that with my psyker even with the toughness generation in both my bubble build and scriers build if I don’t have bubble up or I get clipped by something on my scriers build I tend to eat dirt.

[hardy citrus]

scriers should be able to regen toughness so fast u have no issue tbh

[tawdry axle]

sometimes I think the psyker needs a rework

But I don't know how

[urban creek]

Well guess I’m just a skilled issued crack wizard. Cough sorry meant space wizard.

[zinc phoenix]

Arbites charges forward, psyker dances between the raindrops

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gif-25869644

[deft stump]

1 CC clear rainfall.

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly so hard for me to play og because I have to remember guns exist

[bold geyser]

random question how high vertically does venting shriek go? Like 1 floor? 2 floors? Just read that directionally doesnt matter it only matters were u face

[marble crater]

I want to say it's at most one floor

[obtuse dome]

I wonder that too.

[ripe obsidian]

30m. But there are some terrains that block it. They are inconsistent.

[zealous wing]

i fuckin love this rebreather

[fervent ivy]

is only staves the meta in endgame or does gun or melee psyker work?

[verbal thistle]

Both work

[fervent ivy]

great thx

[verbal thistle]

Tldr, everything can reach auric and win (havoc is possible as well but much much much harder)

In darktide it's mainly skill not weapons

I'd say 90/10

If you have skill and knowledge you can make anything work

But for the average player gun psyker is still extremely strong and beats auric

[fervent ivy]

oh ı am far awy from even auric for now. ıjust decided to roll a psyker finalyly and was just wondering if staves were the only way since ı don't really like staves. though maybe it'll change as ı use them

[verbal thistle]

Staffs are the only weapon psyker can use, go for it

Staffs are also pretty bad underleveled so that could also be a reason they don't feel good

[fervent ivy]

possibly

[white shell]

From what I understand Inferno Force Staff is amazing when you build around it

[cosmic sigil]

It's booooooring

It's like watching a barbecue alone while your friends are drinking beers

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno is strong in high havoc even without building around it

It's not amazing without Shriek, imo

[white shell]

To understand the flamethrower, you must become the flamethrower

I tend to have more fun with Voidblast tho

[ripe obsidian]

I am probably one of the people who plays Inferno the most in this chat. Vect and Agentchaos as well.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[white shell]

Inferno is fun though

[weary crane]

I'm the only inferno gaze user and I love it

[white shell]

I just like seeing everything consumed in blue blaze

[quartz mauve]

i’ve had the most fun with the electric staff tbh lol, haven’t gone into havoc but crit chance goes brrrr

[ripe obsidian]

@sturdy reef

[sturdy reef]

Welcome to the club

[white shell]

Well now I wanna try it

[ripe obsidian]

I am a Shriek cultist.

Though I want to try SG Trauma soon

[narrow herald]

I think the issue with blaze is I can slowly feel my brain forgetting how to play the game the more I use it

[white shell]

I can definitely see that

Also, might there possibly be any upstanding citizens who might be willing to help me grab the Malleus Monstronum penance? I seem to have misplaced my friends (I don't actually have any that play)

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on how you play

In my inferno games, 75% of the time I am the person taking out ranged elites and specials, frontlining, and doing horde clear. Team needs to catch up. >:(

[ripe obsidian]

I can maybe help later. Slacking off at work atm

[white shell]

Oh no worries, doesn't have to be now, just hopefully at any time, I have a build around it to make it go faster

Thank you for offering regardless

[marble crater]

In Germany we call this "Arbeitszeitbetrug"

[stark moss]

Any1 elses psyker timer mod not working anymore?

[cosmic sigil]

I thought it was Arbeit Macht Frei

[cosmic sigil]

Nope

[ripe obsidian]

I know arbeit is work. What's the rest?

[marble crater]

Zeit is time
Betrug is fraud

[spice aurora]

Yea it was kind of a duo lol its scary spamming PA light on crusher and not having stam bar on UI 😭

[ripe obsidian]

I will steal whatever time I can from the corporate system.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't use crusher enough to know the combos well. That's horde clear, yeah?

[spice aurora]

Mine? xD

PA light is single twrget

[ripe obsidian]

Ahhh

[verbal thistle]

and horde

[spice aurora]

I don’t know thehorde clear ngl I just use the spread shotty, 2 shots blows up a horde xD

[ripe obsidian]

I think Arby has a +stam on kill node on the left side of the tree. Dunno if it's worth picking.

[spice aurora]

Yea I tried the horizontal swings on crusher on horde and I legit kill nothing

[ripe obsidian]

Horde and single target are the same?

[verbal thistle]

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Funky

[verbal thistle]

push attack is the best move for everything

[spice aurora]

The heavy overhead is so bad lmfao

[verbal thistle]

H1 is terrible

[spice aurora]

Big huge heavy bonk, cant kill anything

I think its unyielding isn’t terrible I was doing PA L H for cspawns just to have a bit of stamina to block 1 hit lol

[marble crater]

As you should

[ripe obsidian]

Crusher seems like a feast or famine weapon in regards to combos

Either you do a good combo and succeed or anything else and suffer

[verbal thistle]

its just push attack light

everything else is subpar

[ripe obsidian]

Is what I mean

[unkempt panther]

Proposed Community Note: Except for ogryn crusher trains.

[ripe obsidian]

Eh

[verbal thistle]

I see

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

You can kill crusher trains with basically any weapon if you have uncanny

Exhibit A

[modest perch]

basically any

so like a specific setup only available to one class

[ripe obsidian]

If you have uncanny.

Any weapon can handle crushers

If the weapon does not have uncanny

Cry

[unkempt panther]

So, using perhaps the most powerful build in the game is meant to demonstrate, what, exactly? Flame staff, plus shriek, plus uncanny on the melee?

[marble crater]

That you can kill crushers with soulblaze, if you stack uncanny, even though soulblaze damage against carapace is normally worse than awful

[unkempt panther]

Which seems pretty unrelated to the claim that all weapons are equally good, and it's the skill, not the build. Again, I think I can agree that's halfway to mostly true, except for ogryn crusher trains.

Which is why I still think that ogryn crushers are still the biggest problem with this game. Either make most (all) melee weapons have decent weakspot damage against carapace, or you have to make some parts of the crusher not carapace.

IMO.

[marble crater]

If any melee weapon can take care of crusher trains or they are not fully carapace then why even have them in the game

They are supposed to be a problem

[ripe obsidian]

That even a weapon with 10% damage against Crushers can kill crushers with Uncanny. It is exactly what I said.

Quote, "You can kill crusher trains with basically any weapon if you have uncanny"

[unkempt panther]

I didn't say "kill as fast as the best weapon", just something more than the currently extremely small amount of damage that some weapons do.

That 3/4* of the weapon do.

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh weakspot damage bypassing some amount of carapace damage resist wouldn't be a bad idea.

[marble crater]

Yeah I don't agree with that, if you want to deal with crushers, then pick weapons that can deal with crushers, not every weapon needs to be able to deal with everything.

[unkempt panther]

On that, I guess we politely disagree. I don't think 3/4 of the weapons should be absolutely worthless against crushers, because it leads to the current meta where basically everyone at auric or above does not use those 3/4 of weapons because it makes them useless in critical situations.

*melee weapons

I admit some ignorance? What's the ttk right now for like a heavy sword vs a crusher with and without uncanny? I'll have to test that at home.

[marble crater]

You also have a ranged weapon you can use against crushers and use something not great against crushers for melee

[unkempt panther]

I think we all see that the current meta, 3/4 of the melee weapons might as well not exist. I challenge that this is categorically bad game design, and is a worse game for us. I admit that my solution is not the only solution, and I admit that this problem does not mean the sky is falling - I still love the game in spite of this flaw.

[marble crater]

You can make the other weapons potentially more useful by buffing them in what they are already good at, that's fine. Where I disagree is that a horde clear melee weapon should not be buffed to a point where it can also deal with crushers without some other weakness to make up for it

[silk jackal]

they should just remove carapace armour and repalce it with flak

we dont need multiple armour types

vt2 didnt have it why do we idk

[marble crater]

Like Greatsword has bad mobility, but in exchange it's good for hordes and crushers

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-not-woke-of-you-gif-9661978732600806729

[unkempt panther]

Maybe. I respect that take. I think I disagree, but I respect it. My problem is that it doesn't work for pick-up groups and joining games in progress, but it can work for premades.

[marble crater]

That still leaves like 4 or 5 other armor types

[silk jackal]

sure so why do we need 1 more? it makes 0 sense imo

[unkempt panther]

And I think the majority of this game just drops into pick-up groups and games in progress, where that level of coordination is hard.

[marble crater]

To have a big scary tanky unit, I guess

[silk jackal]

also vt2 had more than 1 armor type im talkin about heavy armor types

[unkempt panther]

Sorry, let me be clear: in a pick-up group and especially joining a game in progress, you can't coordinate with your teammates to ensure that enough of them are bringing anti-X, so everyone has to be at least a little good at dealing with everything.

[silk jackal]

vt2 achieved this without 2 heavy armor types, idk it just feels bad to have to have flak and carapace on mostly everything, removes player choice

[unkempt panther]

vt2 did hav super armor, misterE went into it, but IIRC most weapons could still manage even if not be top-tier against chaos warriors.

Also also, they didn't have trains of chaos warriors. One partial fix might be to just tone down the number of concurrent crusher spawns.

[silk jackal]

i think its hilarious how some classes see a train of crushers and think "oh shit" but psyker or HS just grin lmao

[unkempt panther]

and replace the excess crushers with maulers and ragers or something.

[marble crater]

You have two weapons and your blitz, it's possible to make good and fun builds that are versatile, different from each other and can deal with all enemies. Builds should be like that anyway, because you can't always be sure you are next to your team, sooner or later you will have to deal with a crusher while a sniper is shooting you as well and your team is not close by

[unkempt panther]

I don't think you can make feasible builds with half, probably more, of the melee weapons in the game because of crushers. Agree / disagree?

Unless you mean "I have to rely on my teammates to kill crushers".

[marble crater]

You also have a ranged weapon and blitz and combat ability to pick something for crushers, so I don't agree with that

[unkempt panther]

Ok

and now I wish I had stats on actual usage and win rates in aurics and havoc for all players, broken down by what melee weapon they have.

[jovial juniper]

Disagree

Basically Hsword and Dclaw comes to mind when we talk about struggling to deal with Crushers

What else

[marble crater]

Illisi (we ignore that one gif)

[jovial juniper]

It has uncanny
That's all you need

(it's not all you need)

Iirc a special heavy with 5 uncanny is about ~960 CRIT spot damage

About ~790 if only spot

[ripe obsidian]

Pretty sure it did. I remember berzerkers in particular taking bonus damage from shotguns.

[jovial juniper]

That's around 7 to 8 hits from illisi with only that small setup

Now Hsword 9 H1 hitting for about ~280 CRIT spot with 5 headtaker

🥀

Dclaw parry is about 480 CRIT spot

[unkempt panther]

I don't have a spreadsheet myself. I thought it was just taken for granted as true. I would have to develop that spreadsheet to really continue here. Until then, I have to admit partial ignorance, and/or rely on "trustworthy" experts, such as MisterE (partial /s). I would simply have to refer to similar videos. Or we could try to take an informal census here of what weapons we feel are actually infeasible because of crushers.

Re spreadsheets, like the work that other guy just did with ttk for various classes, weapons, and buffs, in that recent youtube video. That's hardcore, and the way this argument should be done.

[jovial juniper]

Why's there a llama on psyker pins

[unreal coral]

hey guys, anybody willing to help me rebuild my psyker class ? I like electrokinetic staff cause it looks cool and do not know much more.......

[marble crater]

There are a lot of builds in the pinned Bonanze you can take a look at

[silk jackal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds

@unreal coral

[fading hedge]

Patrols were quite litterally lines of chaos warriors and mauraders in VT2 at higher difficulties you could have like 5-6 Chaos warrors in one patrol.

Conversely, a patrol is a lot easier to avoid than a group of crushers just hanging out, but congo lines of chaos warriors are a thing in VT2

[weary idol]

absolutely not

[unkempt panther]

I stand corrected.

[fading hedge]

The same with storm vermin, but they are not as scary as chaos warriors

[ripe obsidian]

I spy an Ainz in party finder

with an inferno psyker in the party

[verbal thistle]

ITS A trauma smite

place your bets how long till death

[ripe obsidian]

your other psyker appears to be using inferno

or, they were when I looked

[verbal thistle]

damn

they swapped

[ripe obsidian]

I warned you, but I was unheeded.

[marble crater]

Bamboozled

[ripe obsidian]

I accidentally invited an H20 to my game.

Hm.

this will go poorly

[nimble laurel]

very levelist of you

[ripe obsidian]

It's true

The H20 did way better than the H40 zealot.

We still lost in the first 10% of the map

zealot was standing there shooting at crushers with a bistol instead of... using his own crusher

[wind spruce]

its a misconception that scriers generates toughness particularly fast

[ripe obsidian]

Bluch, I tried playing H40s and I just could not brain. Not my worst performances ever, but my decision making was just shot. Like short circuits in my brain whenever I needed to make a snap decision

[sharp shoal]

Brought trauma and illsi with deflector near end of the run drop down room 3 snipers in the back to back spawns 2 plague boys 2 chaos spawns and a random captain high intensity shock troop cartel

on auric

Lol

[hybrid pagoda]

is brain rupture or smite better?

[marble crater]

It depends, but brain rupture

[wind spruce]

they are completely different abilities, it doesnt matter which is better

[hybrid pagoda]

okay a better question, which is going to be more ffective whilst in QP lobbies as a leveling psyker?

[marble crater]

Assail

[hybrid pagoda]

less perk investment and skill

[wind spruce]

you use assail while leveling

[hybrid pagoda]

thx boss

[marble crater]

"Which is better, A or B?"
"C"

[hybrid pagoda]

well i got the answer i needed

in the end idc

i kind of assumed assail would be shite but i was proven wrong

atleast for leveling

does it fall off hard later?

[ripe obsidian]

Not really

[marble crater]

It falls off, but not hard

You can't solo the missions anymore with just assail though

[ripe obsidian]

Assail has enough impact to stagger ragers and shreds unarmored enemies

Even in Havoc

[sharp shoal]

that depends on if they get the auras or stims

[marble crater]

*terms and conditions apply

[sharp shoal]

stimms purple aura and rotten armor

or final toll

[ornate hamlet]

g*mers, is the build bonanza in the pins still relevant in anno domini february 5th?

I was about to recommend it to someone, but HESITATION FILLED MY SOUL

[marble crater]

Yes

[restive slate]

My brain has been rotted by anime, I hear Anno Domini and I imagine a shy Italian Imouto asking Domini for something

[hybrid pagoda]

my brain is rotted worse, i heard shy itallian and thought of hetalia 😭

[ornate hamlet]

ANO... 👉👈

[sharp shoal]

[thorn cedar]

s-should i be getting a warden

[hybrid pagoda]

nah were back on topic dw

[sharp shoal]

lol

[hybrid pagoda]

anyways, those builds up to date or nah?

[thorn cedar]

they is

[hybrid pagoda]

Ws

[marble crater]

If they aren't anymore we bully Six into updating them

[hybrid pagoda]

bigger Ws

[unkempt panther]

NONSENSE.
DEFINITELY NOT BRAINROT

~queues up (Like A) Bloody Stream on Youtube~

[restive slate]

Narancia, one of my favourite genders

[jovial juniper]

A bloody what!?!!

https://youtu.be/vTSFyORPu0s?si=anffqNG6sW7XLR2U

[hybrid pagoda]

weaboo to psyker main pipeline needs to be studied

[unkempt panther]

JoJo is only like the best anime and manga ever, or damn close to it.

[restive slate]

Now I want a mod to add random anime-style transmutation circles to our Psyker attacks and abilities

[unkempt panther]

"Mauler, I choose you!"

[restive slate]

"Slab, use BULL RUSH!"

[unkempt panther]

Getting all the good references tonight.

[jovial juniper]

Speaking of Jojo

https://youtu.be/kL3py5f6Oww?si=QsDS1bQRg0ugnNQ2

Just watch the first opening

[deft stump]

Just threaten to make him Seven.

[marble crater]

[hybrid pagoda]

[ripe obsidian]

:(

I do intend to go through the build list and make some minor tweaks based on my experience since making the guide

But nothing significant

[proper spoke]

That's a generalization with no basis in reality. Desu.

[ripe obsidian]

@rich spindle when you have a moment, can you share with me the SG meleeker build you use? I am trying to improve at melee psyker, but I haven't yet hit on a build I really like.

[rich spindle]

Same one @spice aurora uses with one or two changes

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. I have his in the build guide already

[rich spindle]

I didn’t realize how good it was in havoc until I saw him play it xD

I don’t think he takes quietude though

I’d take that

[ripe obsidian]

I quite like KF + EK on melee, but I struggle to keep MM active. That's my biggest issue

[rich spindle]

Warp slice should keep it up

Warp slice is crazy op

[verbal thistle]

speaking of

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[ripe obsidian]

I am not the best about using it consistently. Is a skill issue

[rich spindle]

One tip for fgs is being way more aggro than you think you could be

Trust the toughness replenishment

YOLO

[ripe obsidian]

I do try to do that, but with randoms I end up really far ahead of my team and get overwhelmed

It works better with premade teams that keep pace

[rich spindle]

Ye it’s a fine balance

We stay sliding across the room toward 2 aggrod final toll reapers tho

[ripe obsidian]

In my last attempt, I ended up alone versus twins and a ton of crushers. My team was... somewhere. Managed to take down the melee twin, but got plinked to death by assorted shooters shortly thereafter

[zealous wing]

oof

[rich spindle]

Were you doing the wall variant

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, SG

[rich spindle]

Wall is lowkey better

🤫

[spice aurora]

how is healing with new rot is it cringe or nah

[zealous wing]

i was thinking, with the clogging of hundreds of h40 clears being handed out, bubble or wall (probably bubble) would be needed to get the team to actually fuckin move

[verbal thistle]

new rot

thats been there since season 1

[spice aurora]

i 4gor

[jovial juniper]

Thank God it's pus hardened skin

Oh fuck it's pus hardened skin

[rich spindle]

Who the heck would carry so many players to a 40 win…..

[spice aurora]

oh thats not even rot

i cant read

[rich spindle]

That’s so wrong….

[spice aurora]

lmfao

[zealous wing]

alyssa

shroudfield zealots, duo archivum

literal hundreds per week

several weeks now

[rich spindle]

The sanctity of party finder has been soiled

[spice aurora]

holy shit i 4got bout pus hardened skin i put it on for the solo attempts only

[ripe obsidian]

Haven't tried wall yet. Is on my list

[zealous wing]

oh 100%

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-soiled-it-ruined-it-sponge-bob-yell-gif-5632914

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer healing to pus-hardened skin tbh

[zealous wing]

h40 actually means nothing now. not even "i tried h40 and died 15 times but we got there"

in a choice between an h30 or an h40 i would pick the h30

[spice aurora]

is it the same icon as rot or am i trippin cuz i didnt read it

[zealous wing]

it isnt

[ripe obsidian]

I think they were doing 10 minute speedruns. Last I saw, they had carried 300+ players

[spice aurora]

i dont kno anyting anymore ngl

[rich spindle]

Just attack enemies and press spacebar occasionally

[spice aurora]

disgusting who would do such a thing

[rich spindle]

Ez

Unscrupulous scoundrels undoubtedly

[zealous wing]

they also clogged LFG emea for days

"it only has like 4 posts a day so its fine" is their logic

[rich spindle]

Dissolute ruffians

I condemn their actions

[zealous wing]

i genuinely hope havoc gets bonked and only shows current assignment on your name instead of highest clear that season

[ripe obsidian]

S4lmon complained the other day that I didn't suck enough to make havoc interesting

[zealous wing]

well, a fuckton of h40 holders will now suck absolute ass, worse than normal

[ripe obsidian]

(They also get low level people from party finder to join their H40 runs)

(Hence being disappointed at me)

[zealous wing]

ah so like ainz

[rich spindle]

Temu Ainz

[ripe obsidian]

But at least they're actual runs, not exploited speedruns

[zealous wing]

hopefully minus the murder of teammates

[buoyant maple]

when did it mean anything

[zealous wing]

it used to at least indicate some level of interaction with an h40

even if its "oh that hurts im dead already again"

[buoyant maple]

even true survivor never rly suggested anything

[rich spindle]

Ran bullyclub ogryn with perma gold toughness on archivum award

[spice aurora]

where is the rectangle rank 19 smiter

[rich spindle]

Ascended to a higher plane of existence

[sharp shoal]

having trouble deciding

im not using kinetic deflection as it bugs out sometimes with deflector but do i want uncanny and slaugther with illsi since im using trauma bubble and brain burst or should i keep deflecr with slaugther

[jovial juniper]

Pineapple on meat 8 rank

[loud girder]

this

i got true survivor by glitching the map

we killed ourselve and won

fake video game achievements dont mean anything

[verbal thistle]

new character name?

[rich spindle]

FOCUS ON THE GAME WERE LOSING BRO

[verbal thistle]

oh naur

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1469179450271994011/7C7BE01.MP4?ex=6986b77c&is=698565fc&hm=ccd02e4549f9cb039d0819ac83bc257a21c2ac61ceba7c05763fa57e19ec8f1f&

[crisp ether]

It's getting to a point where I'm finding people with lower clearance levels that are ironically better than some people with 40s

[slate ledge]

:3

[crisp ether]

Because those people actually want to win and have an idea of what to do to win

[crisp ether]

Holup

[verbal thistle]

@rich spindle

the 5 meter sniper kick

[crisp ether]

I think I played with you the other day actually

[slate ledge]

were u the 200 scum

[crisp ether]

And we had a psyker that folded like a piece of loose-leaf and then he quit

[slate ledge]

yeeeeee

[crisp ether]

Lmaooooo

Yeah that was me!

[slate ledge]

i left straight after i got invited by friends lol

salmon and vect

[crisp ether]

That's understandable.

The random experience has been.

[slate ledge]

that psyker actually got carried

there was no way

[crisp ether]

something

It wasn't even like

A full minute

And dude was already dead.

[slate ledge]

got into one of those speedrun lobbies and automaticly decided hes 40 ready

[ripe obsidian]

As many do.

[crisp ether]

See like. I'm okay with people getting carried to 40.

It's whatever but holy shit be a little more self aware if you know you got carried.

That's been happening so often recently.

I think I won a 40 with salmon the other day too?

[white shell]

I've owned the game since launch and I still haven't tried Havoc (mainly because I put the game down for 2 years and just got back and so much had changed)

[crisp ether]

It's fun.

||If you like getting your balls stomped by a spiked boot.||

Hyperbole aside, honestly, it isn't for everyone. But I do find it fun.

[white shell]

"That's why I'm here" -Obi Wan 2002

[crisp ether]

And there honestly is a special kind of feeling when you win a high havoc for the first time

(Assuming you don't get carried to it because as it turns out, that's been happening quite a bit lately.)

[white shell]

I'd rather not be tbh

I play mostly solo queuing anyway when I play

So I have to pull my own weight

[crisp ether]

But Havoc doesn't really get too bad until 30. Cuz that's whatever limiters the AI director usually has are just gone and everything is buffed up decently compared to their damnation counterparts

Honestly main reason I like Havoc is because I've always wanted a permanent monstrosity maelstrom listing

And that's the closest thing we have to that tbh

[white shell]

Yeah I've seen the different modifiers the higher you go, seems like insanity, but hopefully one day I can skill up enough to handle it

Really just getting back into the swing of it all

[crisp ether]

Hey at least if you're trying now, you're not gonna run into Rotten Armor so.

There's that.

[white shell]

Already saw a vid about it and it seemed uhhh...not great

[zealous wing]

it was honestly not that bad, but thats only true if you had a soulfire psyker of some sort or a toxin scum

rot and rampage with blazing trauma was so much fun

[crisp ether]

it's really that it does feel like a loadout check

Like it's possible without those things obviously

[zealous wing]

i wonder... if i load up rot in solo play havoc will it crash me?

[crisp ether]

But those things make that modifier in particular so much more doable that you can't really ignore it.

[zealous wing]

HAHA

not crashed

can still run tests on rot armour

i still find it amusing like, a third of obliterated rot crushers heads do this

[ripe obsidian]

red stimmed + final toll rager is spooky

Also, it is infinitely easier to clutch on arby than on psyker

[rich spindle]

lol

[verbal thistle]

force kick

like the force push

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-lip-bite-waiting-standing-wait-gif-16684120

[spice aurora]

ignore the guy talking but WHERE IS THE BURSTER AUDIO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[prime elk]

heard it just fine on this frame

[ornate hamlet]

clearly a sound issue on the part of your brain not processing audio correctly

[zealous wing]

game volume too quiet, yapper too loud, bad mix

hard to tell if its the bursters fault

[spice aurora]

i got hit once that game, it was that silent fk >:[

[zealous wing]

mutant charge and buster tick are about the same volume, mutant louder because its closer, and whoevers talking was louder than the mutant, so,

it couldve been silent, but talker also could have just been drowning it out

[ripe obsidian]

I just had a game where literally 50 specials spawned in the first 4 minutes

[ornate hamlet]

That number shows 12, you're misinforming me somehow

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-dexter-dexter-doakes-gotcha-found-you-gif-14688017774431904057

[ripe obsidian]

click on it

[ornate hamlet]

I misinformed myself

Nothing is as it seems

[ripe obsidian]

that game had more specials than elites

285 elite kills, 316 special kills

what in tarnation

[zealous wing]

i keep saying, they broke somethiiiiing

[zealous wing]

youre doomed

mouseless gameplay

keyboard only

[verbal thistle]

@rich spindle as soon as that dog jumped at me my cat sat on my mouse

[white shell]

Mouse caught

[ripe obsidian]

the previous one was 482 elites and 351 specials, which feels like a more normal ratio

[zealous wing]

if you fucking say so

[ripe obsidian]

but holy fuck, 50 specials spawned in the first 4 minutes was insane

[zealous wing]

thats still a lot of specials

[ripe obsidian]

H40 be like that

Game before that was 524 elites/447 specials

[zealous wing]

what would the lesser count be, about 2k total? 2500ish maybe?

[ripe obsidian]

2800

in the 482/351 one

[zealous wing]

for every 8 poxwalkers there was a special

[ripe obsidian]

yeah, seems about right

seems pretty consistent

1:8 ratio

Each game I have looked at so far is 8-9 trash mobs per special

[zealous wing]

thats actually a fascinating ratio, a perfect example of why havocs a bitch

now im curious if the ratio is different for like, an h35, h30, and h25, and what those would be

[ripe obsidian]

It would change

At least due to this

[uncut heron]

tzeentch trickery

[verbal thistle]

guess which map

[white sky]

Planet 4546b

[runic canyon]

Is the shield break bug back in?

[verbal thistle]

never left

[runic canyon]

I haven't died by poorly timing a jump when hitting captains in a while so I thought they fixed it XD

I didn't know it could get you like that clip as well though

[ripe obsidian]

I have zero idea, so I spun a wheel and came up with Warren

[verbal thistle]

chasm station

[zealous wing]

fuck you i was literally gonna guess that 😭

i was looking for the list of currently in maps

was gonna go by skybox colours

so close

[ripe obsidian]

still like 26% WR. Not awful

[zealous wing]

usable

but i want lower

and i have 18mil still to burn

[ripe obsidian]

Godspeed

[zealous wing]

oh fuck off 😭

[runic canyon]

Are you trying to get 0/60% warp resist lol?

[zealous wing]

sub 10

at most

[ripe obsidian]

My precious

[zealous wing]

i have to beat him

[rich spindle]

is that the wireless viper?

[verbal thistle]

yeah

[rich spindle]

do you notice the lack of wire

I might try one out

[verbal thistle]

I haven't

[rich spindle]

i had a viper but switched to deathadder cus I had hand pain

[zealous wing]

down to 11mil

time to scan hundreds of fgs

[patent jacinth]

Why do they name mice after snakes

Snakes eat mice

[wind spruce]

You cant get 80/80/80/80/<10 from buying greys

[zealous wing]

thing is im willing to settle for a partial defense dump

which is 100% doable

long as its above 50, i can work with it

[sharp shoal]

i find final toll with rotten armor just so fuckin tedious

everything takes so long to die

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

It really do be like that

[sharp shoal]

its threatening based on team comp but overall just takes so long to kill stuff

but it could be worse

they could un nerf fading light

they did a big portion of nerf on how fast stuff could shoot with that since they first made havoc

it was so bad

even regular shooters could delete you pre nerf in a couple shots lol

[summer prairie]

Oh someone figured out the captain void shield insta-down cause https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/void-shield-explosion-insta-down-mightve-found-the-cause/118144/2

[sharp shoal]

lol

having that un nerfed fading light with toll rotten armor and stimms or the blight would be hard but fun

[zealous wing]

ah so like stims is now

[sharp shoal]

much worse

as pre nerf you had no grace period from toughness break and it would immeaditly start deleting your health

[zealous wing]

is that not what happens now

[ripe obsidian]

I have found a meleeker build that is working for me so far.

I will continue testing

[sharp shoal]

lol

it was much worse

[zealous wing]

also, a stimmed stalker shoots 45 shots

yellow stim

fuckin terrifying

[ripe obsidian]

@crude cape Telling me about bubble knight. >:(

[sharp shoal]

they lessened the reduction on health and toughness it removed they removed quite a portion of the fire rate enemies had with the modifier they also reduced the density of what it spawned also the flat dps got a decrease from it as they lowered mobs dmg increase etc

[sharp shoal]

it was so much worse

[zealous wing]

oh poor soul

thinks the slash applies SB

[sharp shoal]

hm

[runic canyon]

is this the ultimate stat spread I should aspire to??

[zealous wing]

pure 76er for sure

this isnt quite that >:(

[sharp shoal]

that wont work at all ainz

[zealous wing]

ainz likes grabbing people who dont know what they're doing

[sharp shoal]

warp slice is like the interaction beteeen deflector and kinetic deflection

while those two work together it bugs certain things

where warp slice doesnt proc blazing spirit at all

[zealous wing]

we know

[sharp shoal]

its special attack cant proc blazing spirit

is what it is

[zealous wing]

the part is, the person who brought that, doesnt know

but they about to learn

[verbal thistle]

time to death

2:15

for that psyker

[zealous wing]

not terrible tbh

[sharp shoal]

lmao

[zealous wing]

they tried

[sharp shoal]

im using illsi bb and trauma staff and i got blazing spirit on my trauma staff

did a run on a assanation mission with the trains and after the drop 3 snipers hiding in the room in the back then out of nowhere 2 plague boys 2 chaos spawns a fuckin random captain back to back spawns mid mixed hordes on a high instensity shock troop cartel run on auric

[restive slate]

If Warp Slice can proc Blazing Spirit I'll commit Psyuicide Bombing

[summer prairie]

staff blazing spirit doesn't work on staff melee, worthless

[sharp shoal]

was almost as fun as my fight vs 2 demon host and a plague boy as ogryn

[zealous wing]

chasm terminus

[sharp shoal]

yep

[zealous wing]

someone probably rushed ahead tbh

[sharp shoal]

no

[restive slate]

Anyone runs Blazing Spit on Voidstrike?

Spirit*

[zealous wing]

i dont think theres much point to

it doesnt have much aoe

[verbal thistle]

I do when I combo it with my melee build

[sharp shoal]

it was a run where we had just dropped down after reviving someone and me as ogryn and i threw a rock at a sniper and didnt know a dh was right there with one right above so i used taunt since i aggroed it for my dmg buff

[verbal thistle]

with true aim you get the needed crit

[sharp shoal]

got both dh at once and a plague ogryn showed up

[restive slate]

Using FGS?

[verbal thistle]

any melee build

[sharp shoal]

thats really solid

[restive slate]

Aye thanks will try that

[sharp shoal]

im using illsi over fgs for my builds

i like the great sword but i prefer faster attack speed

[verbal thistle]

riddle me this batman.. What unarmored enemy doesnt die in 1 hit

https://klipy.com/gifs/detroit-driveby-eminem

[rich spindle]

American psycho card scene but with pf weapon screenshots

[zealous wing]

they just wanna make sure

[rich spindle]

The sniper at the tail end of a swing that already cleaved through 4 poxwalkers 🧠

[zealous wing]

ngl tho FGS with wrath DOES feel nice when horde clearing, but its a lil unnecessary

like butter

@ripe obsidian best i've got after 11mil

i think my main psyker has a 29

[restive slate]

Thoughts on Obscurus fs?

[zealous wing]

its a good sword

[restive slate]

Thinking of pairing with Purgatus

So I have a single target high dmg melee with the horde clear flames

[zealous wing]

it's less safe than deimos, but both work well

[ripe obsidian]

@rich spindle this is the meleeker build that is gelling most with me so far:

[ripe obsidian]

22% ain't bad. I haven't gotten below 21% from gambling

[crude cape]

@ripe obsidian gg, dont tell anyone i died twice in a 29 pls shhh

[ripe obsidian]

ggs

secret is safe with me

[crude cape]

good good, no one will ever know

[fading hedge]

anyone gonna tell him this is a public server?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not confident enough to take meleeker into H40 right now, so I was goofing off in high 20s/low 30s

[crude cape]

ya same, but i pulled out shivs bc i felt bad feeding with devils claw for those guys who clearly were climbing

i like playing with players climbing

4 h40 chads every game gets boring

[fading hedge]

I have played a grand total of 4 Havoc missions, and two of them were repeats because my friend was climbing the havoc rankings

[ripe obsidian]

I already had some H40 wins tonight on Arby

[crude cape]

https://klipy.com/gifs/no-come-on-1

[ripe obsidian]

One was even a significant clutch on my part, which felt good

[crude cape]

nice

[ripe obsidian]

But I want to be better at meleeker. My big issue is that I can't shrug off chip damage like I can on Arby, so my positioning needs to be more careful

[crude cape]

ya that build you had slapped im gonna try it out

[ripe obsidian]

Which I... do not always succeed at

[crude cape]

ya its hard, i tend to get too zealous chaining heavies and get caught out by something

[ripe obsidian]

Either that or I get poked by a random poxwalker and lose half my hp, ha

[crude cape]

ya exactly lol

like hivescum, love it, can go whoel matches and take almost 0 dmg

but then you make 1 mistake and whole hp bar gone lol

[fading hedge]

whats your weapon loadout for this?

[ripe obsidian]

Force Greatsword MkVI and Electro stick

[crude cape]

i noticed you use staff not gun, btw, why is that?

i just always go gun on meleeker

[ripe obsidian]

EK has near-perfect aim for taking out specials and elites

[crude cape]

ya i saw you using the left click a lot

[ripe obsidian]

And since I have Warp Unbound, peril isn't a concern

[crude cape]

do you even use the rmb at all on it, or just purely throwing snowballs?

[ripe obsidian]

I throw RMB at Bulwarks and Reapers, mostly. Reapers if I can't get into melee range.

I guess sometimes Crushers as well

[crude cape]

ya makes sense

ill give it a try

i usually use heavy las pistol w/ infernus

[fading hedge]

I am thinking of trying it out, Though I really like BB and Kinetic flayer, figure I can try it out and swap it if it doesnt work

[crude cape]

ya assail is fun, but i do miss KF when i dont run it

[ripe obsidian]

Laspistol is one of those weapons that just doesn't click for me

[crude cape]

but it also costs an extra talent point

[ripe obsidian]

I use Assail almost entirely to keep Malefic Momentum running. To a lesser extent to clear shooters and stagger shotgunners

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol is goated, but only the fast one and it still has some questionable maniac damage

[crude cape]

damn love me a las pistol but ya i feel you, ive never liked the eviscerator on zealot much, 500+ zealot btw, sue me zealots SUE ME

[ornate hamlet]

I just don't vibe with any weapon that controls my camera for me

[crude cape]

ya same, clunky, i should play them more tho since they gave it changes but tbh i havent lol

maybe once

added you six in game if you ever wanna play another time, always down, and never care about meta for team, love messing around with comps and playing fun builds*, hit me up if you ever wanna play, bedtime for me peace!

[restive slate]

Dual Laspistols when?

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds good, cheers

[rich spindle]

Yup that’s pretty much it

[ripe obsidian]

I'm still poking it a bit

Currently my issue is how much chip damage I take, or getting caught in an open space when shooters are going wild.

But both of those are more skill issues than build issues

[rich spindle]

Try just a dream

Pretty much 25% trash shooter res always

[ripe obsidian]

Not sure what I want to drop for it. Maybe Empathic Evasion?

[rich spindle]

I usually don’t take warp unbound

Or ee

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Unbound allows me to spam Assail or EK LMB, so it's not something I really want to drop

[rich spindle]

Just a dream will make you pop with ek staff tho

If you’re using fgs you shouldn’t spam assail cus it just takes away from potential slice charges

[fading hedge]

Six, whats your psykers name?

[ripe obsidian]

Spoony-Threepus

[ripe obsidian]

This is a fair point. Spamming assail at ragers or shotgunners feels comfy, though

[rich spindle]

Yea doesn’t really matter

The fgs slides while charging heavies are surprisingly good esp with all the speed buffs

You can spend the entire game looking like you’ve fallen down

[ripe obsidian]

I'll try popping the point in EE over to JaD and see if that feels any better. Not tonight, though. Too tired to play more

[rich spindle]

It will make you pop when you try to shoot ek at shotgunners and they spike you to 97%

[fading hedge]

wow, two captains and the run is over

[ripe obsidian]

is why I use Warp Unbound. :D

That's also why I stopped using JaD on any staff build

Too much blowing myself up

[round quail]

hello guys pls can someone explain to me what attacks are considered warp attacks? (Penetrating of Soul) skill tree point? does the right click or left click on inferno staff considered as warp attack?

[zealous wing]

yes, but unfortunately, putting that talent on inferno will do basically nothing for you

all attacks that would build peril are warp attacks

BB, assail, FGS slash, staves, etc

[round quail]

can i ask why if it gives you 20 percent rending?

[zealous wing]

20% of nearly nothing is still nearly nothing

it works on builds if you go full into rending, but with inferno, a force sword with uncanny strike will do you much better, and you get to keep that talent point somewhere else

[icy breach]

Use anticipation if you haven’t already

[zealous wing]

soulblaze is a DoT, and DoTs in this game are affected by the weapon you're holding, so you get a weapon with uncanny strike, preferably a force sword, use the force swords push attack (which is always a weakspot hit, and has a 9 meter range), and you'll stack uncanny which will apply to your fire

[icy breach]

Thats why i never use JaD - rather take anticipation everytime (or even the 10% dr talent)

[icy breach]

The moment i saw the talent i knew it will be dogshit
Glad i’m not wrong yet again

[zealous wing]

@round quail here is a clip showing what i'm referring to (not my clip)

[round quail]

is this just push attack?

[zealous wing]

yup, then some outright stabs at the end

when its safe to do so / youre comfortable doing so

[round quail]

i will try to practice this one most ppl love to use dagger but im still new and im still kind of getting used to it

[zealous wing]

knife and dueling sword i see a lot, knife is pure mobility, DS is also mobility with some stabbing ability, but a deimos is more than plenty mobility in most cases

[fading hedge]

@icy breach you promised me some time!

[icy breach]

Yeah i remember now! Hopefully tonight? I might be late tho cause card shop

In like 11h

[fading hedge]

I have an hour

[icy breach]

I’m at work

[fading hedge]

oh, you mean tomorrow night

[icy breach]

Today

[fading hedge]

tonight, what time zone are you!?

[icy breach]

Its 11am for me

[fading hedge]

its 2am for me

I get home at around 11pm to midnight my time

oh, actually, more like 10-11pm my time

europe then

9 hour diff

[icy breach]

That would be… 8am for me tomorrow; maybe then?

[fading hedge]

ok, i can do that, I do feel a lot more confident than when you offered tyour help, but I still welcome it

added you as a friend on discord

making lots of friends

[fading hedge]

Card shop?

[icy breach]

Yeah; i collect pokemon cards

[fading hedge]

oh, I'm a Magic the gathering guy

you may have noticed

[viscid matrix]

Ah the slot machines for millennials

[unreal yew]

Is 3x toughness curios the meta or at least 1x HP is good? Talking about blessing

Since psyker doesn't have much hp

[zealous wing]

preference

generally its 2x 17% T and 1x 21%hp with at least one minor hp node

[prisma nova]

Am I mistaken or are the sound effects as melee psyker with gaze a lot more intense?

I feel like I am deafened like half the time. First time trying melee psyker (or gaze) so not sure I am just mistaken.

[zealous wing]

it could just be the peril being there constantly

you can adjust here

[prisma nova]

Oh wow did not know I can adjust it individually. Thanks a lot. It’s currently on 100%. Will try adjusting.

[heavy dagger]

would shred also work instead of riposte?

[frail oar]

Yah

[unreal yew]

I didn't know either. The peril sound effect is so loud that I can't hear other things like trapper throwing net, dog pouncing or attack from behind

When you reach max peril

[icy breach]

For everyone
I collect cause it was my childhood until other kids robbed me
Now i returned - its a very nice community; makes me wanna go outside & contact ppl
Its fun

[unkempt panther]

My mom lives on 8 mile. I was born in Detroit. This is an accurate summary of the south side of 8 mile rd.

[stable ether]

Is there any easily accessible info for what dumpstats I'm supposed to be looking for?

[cobalt bone]

You can Turn it down in settings If im aware

[fickle remnant]

what mod are you using that color codes key words? that loooks so nice on the eyes

[heavy dagger]

enhanced descriptions

[zinc phoenix]

It looks like a unicorn barfed on the screen

[fickle remnant]

[zinc phoenix]

I haven’t seen this much unnecessary technicolor since they colored the wizard of oz

[marble crater]

One of the pinned messages has dump stats

[honest heron]

Inspect the weapon and hover your cursor over the stat bars, it will show what all of them affect

focus on what you need out of the weapon

[zealous wing]

pinned bonanza guide i think has them, if not, six is slacking

warp resistance for most psyker specific weaponry though, excluding voidstrike, being blast radius

and excluding very specific builds

[marble crater]

They are in a Potato message

[stable ether]

Also is sanctuary worth the point?

[zealous wing]

yes

either you go full bubble, or you just take walls

[stable ether]

right

[ripe obsidian]

I'll try to finish weapons today

I'm just a lazy lumpus

[stable ether]

Ahh, I see, any tips for the Blaze Small Sword perks and blessings?

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, that should be in the guide. I think.

I'll check now.

[stable ether]

I'm looking at it atm, greatsword is small sword isn't

at least on my end

I'm guessing similar to the greatsword ones?

[zealous wing]

which one

[stable ether]

Obscur

[zealous wing]

uncanny for sure

@ripe obsidian

i always get superiority and slaughterer mixed up

[ripe obsidian]

I use uncanny + Deflector on obscurus

Deimos is uncanny + superiority

Mostly because of the primary weapon

[stable ether]

I know I probably should rely on Mind in Motion, but it feels so damn nice

[zealous wing]

what it does can be negated by learning slide-quelling and similar things, but until that point its technically fine

though slide quelling, slide charging, sliding and sprint-cancelling reloads, are a very good habit to form

tap quelling as well

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, I have added dump stats

[zealous wing]