psyker-class

[fading hedge]

alright then, seperate buttons for dodge and jump

[ripe obsidian]

Really? I did not know this.

[fading hedge]

just like vermindtide 2

[zealous wing]

doms the one who told me

he learned it relatively recently as well

[fading hedge]

does that reset when you regen your stamina?

[zealous wing]

this, yes 100%

[fading hedge]

i mean your dodges

[zealous wing]

im using numeric UIs dodge bar, it shows how long until dodges reset.
dodging, and sliding, delay its regen by resetting the counter, give me a moment to load up the game

its not directly tied to stamina

[fading hedge]

so if I continually dodge and expend my dodges and dont let the mregen, the crusher will not do the overhand chop?

[zealous wing]

but i can give you a video of how long it takes
also, inaccurate

[sturdy reef]

imo the base game dodge bar is a lot cleaner

[zealous wing]

plus youll still need to dodge other things

[fading hedge]

I corrected what i meant, i meant when you regen dodges

[zealous wing]

ah ok

i will load up and then check via getting my head smashed in by crushers testing this

because i dont know yet

the answer is no

they will still overhead when you are entirely out of dodges

[fading hedge]

yea, I suppose I'm a bit confused

so, my psyker has 4 dodges, are you saying that a crusher trying to kill me will chain together 4 overhands before doing any other attack?

[zealous wing]

you wont be given 5 overheads to dodge at the same time

[fading hedge]

oooh, this affects multiple crushers

[zealous wing]

long as youre also simply moving backwards, youll regen the dodges

interestingly enough

if you see the crusher readying an overhead, it seems to be just enough time to also regen your dodges to get a real dodge

[summer prairie]

This doesn't sound like a mechanic that exists but happy to be proven wrong

[zealous wing]

trying to test it myself, i would need someone who has the skill to actually take advantage of it

i keep getting smacked

ainz would probably know

but it does also seem similar to the slot system

[fading hedge]

this is hard to test for me with 4 dodges

[zealous wing]

staff has 3

[fading hedge]

5 crushers dont fit on my screen

[zealous wing]

i havent SEEN more than 3 chained yet, until my dodges reset

[fading hedge]

oh, yea, so it does

[zealous wing]

would need to know what they consider the cooldown

from first overhead?

[fading hedge]

this is interesting info, but i struggle to see its utility in game, likely because Im just not good enough

block staggering is EXTREMELY useful though so thanks for that

[zealous wing]

ye

though the slot system and something like this overhead system, is probably only MEGA useful to people who only do h40s

[fading hedge]

im not there yet, though I want to dip into havocs

have not found anyone I'm confident can run through them though

at the time I am available and awake

which for weekdays is right now -_-

[zealous wing]

oof

NA west?

[fading hedge]

correct

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0f373ef-7cf9-4c2f-9c9f-f7e222c29646/psykermon

my current build, I linked it yesterday no one commented

I would like some advice on talents, I essentially copied them from Ainz's trauma staff build

but used the fire staff instead

[zealous wing]

try to get a warp resistance dumped deimos, and put carapace instead of crit on it

puppet master is a dead node, i suggest to grab solidity instead.... and, inferno with scriers is a bad idea

[fading hedge]

oh, oops, its unupdated, it is that except obscurus

[zealous wing]

infernos range is really small, shriek with creeping flames help offset that range a little bit more, as well as increase the stacks you can hit

bascially, if you want to melt carapace or, well, everything

shriek

[hearty wolf]

It not telling you how far in the negative you are is the only thing I wish it would tell you

It's quite important to know if you're -1 or you're at -10

[fading hedge]

this is the current sword

[plucky flax]

Me on -6 dodges.

[zealous wing]

do you know how to stack uncanny?

[fading hedge]

5 headshots switch to inferno for extra rending, but I am not in the habit of doing it yet

[zealous wing]

put fire on them, THEN switch to melee and push attack

force weapon push attack is a weakspot hit

[fading hedge]

well then, that is useful

[zealous wing]

you dont need it often in nonhavocs, but if you take it to a civi maelstrom you can get some good live practice

btw JaD might not be the best option, but the melee dmg node below scriers can be removed and slapped onto quietude for a bit more toughness regen

i'd suggest empathic evasion as well

[fading hedge]

JaD? sorry, Im still getting used to the acronyms

[zealous wing]

just a dream

aka, peril spiker

[fading hedge]

ok, understood

I do like venting shriek, Ill try it out

shakes cane back in my day it was ONLY brain burst and venting shriek! and we LIKED it that way!

[hearty wolf]

Psyker has some very cool sounding nodes

[fading hedge]

I actually didn't, Brainburst just took too long to kill and others would steal it before the BB could pop

[zealous wing]

see, has brain burst gotten faster at all btw

[fading hedge]

I always felt really weak

[zealous wing]

because i find it works just fine personally

[restive slate]

Double Shield BB build

[fading hedge]

with certain nodes, its MUCH better

[zealous wing]

i raise you one scriers gaze warp unbound kinetic resonance empowered psionics

[fading hedge]

I got the kill a monstrosity with 50% brainburst damage penance, and I used BB with the F skill increase with empowerd Psionics

[zealous wing]

bonus if also celerity stim

[fading hedge]

you pop heads so fast, but its not super easy

oooh, brainburst, empowered and scriers? nice, ill have to try that sometime

[restive slate]

It's like popping bubble wrap... but its heads

[fading hedge]

not anymore, now that unpoppable bubble wrap has been introduced 🙁

[raw garnet]

This vid is so satisfying

[fading hedge]

I was also unaware that celerity stim affects BB pop speed

[restive slate]

shakes cane again not when back in my day!!!

[zealous wing]

all attack speed

includes staff charging too

[fading hedge]

learning so much!

[zealous wing]

2 smykers in a single match....

[fading hedge]

so what is the issue with smite psykers? just too much CC and not enough damage?

[zealous wing]

theres a list

[fading hedge]

just got gunned down in an auric so i have some time

[zealous wing]

but smykers is the ones who refuse to believe they have a weapon

even this lower difficulty you can see the numbers split, and it only gets worse the higher the difficulty

one used his gun at least

but its, smite ONLY freezes enemies

it only turns off peoples on dodge talents, it turns off the flow of the horde to feed the melee/frontline, it locks your teammates in bad positions because it overwrites shoves to the ground

that 10% damage boost from enfeeble, if they have it, doesnt come close to covering it

plus, they use it the whole match, to turn off the game for everyone else

there are proper use cases for it, but it's very seldom actually used properly

even in a melee situation, assail works better for a stun/stagger , and also does damage

smite locks you down

but, with a mister E video calling permasmite a havoc meta, the flood is going to continue

[fading hedge]

I see,

I have used a permasmite build, but A as you said, you are locked down and B, Man does it not kill anything, just permastuns them

[zealous wing]

yup

bonus points if you try to take it to a final toll havoc

enemies below 50% hp cannot be crowd controlled

[fading hedge]

max I did was damnation or the difficulty below that

oh, yea

I wouldnt take it on that

[sage pulsar]

I must regretfully inform at the very beginning, i too, was a smyker before i looked in this channel for builds 😔

YouTube hath betrayeth me into thinking it was good

[fading hedge]

First havoc complete

wasnt as bad as i feared, but conversly, it was level 1 so...long way to go

[sage pulsar]

Congrats

[fading hedge]

thanks

[sage pulsar]

Now time for havoc 40 /j

[ornate hamlet]

Devilish

[long saddle]

I mean it's borderline

[quartz barn]

Also sucks that most smykers stand in a corner and just hold smite

That being said i havent seen one in a long while

[long saddle]

I had a maelstrom with 3 psykers and me as ogryn

[quartz barn]

Ive seen people run smite but havent seen them afk in a spot

[long saddle]

yesterday

they did not live well, even with smite

[quartz barn]

Those ogryn games are fun tho

[long saddle]

yes it's good rp to help lil uns

we still lost tho because I was the last one standing

[quartz barn]

Because oggy clutches are pretty rare and also harder than the other classes

Or to me atleast because i dont play a lot of ogryn

[long saddle]

just run more revive speed

fatmangus zealot is my new revive slop tho

but all ogryn builds are revive speed

[zealous wing]

lucky you. i got two in ONE match, SMITING THE SAME CLUSTER

"WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED!" ahhh

[modest perch]

ive had double smykers

[long saddle]

two smiters at the same time should be like crossing the streams in ghost busters

instant vaporization

booted from the game

[zealous wing]

instant peril overload

id be fine with that

[modest perch]

still not as bad as poopknife scoomer or reconlas into horde vet

[long saddle]

only if it bypasses SG

[zealous wing]

it should

[modest perch]

i gotta make another scriers smite build

with surge

[zealous wing]

hmm

random kinda unrelated

does the ek staff bonk have more crit than an inferno staff bonk

[long saddle]

it's funny reading when ppl are like unironically

I want to roleplay chancellor palpatine

and not realizing that the two times you see him use it extensively he gets majorly fucked up

like yeah it's accurate

something will pick you up from behind and curbstomp you

or you do nothing while draining all your strength

[zealous wing]

or it just doesnt work as expected

[modest perch]

mfw no ork

[modest perch]

[long saddle]

I was waiting for someone to kill them from behind

or a barrel

disappointed

[zealous wing]

i think i did get hit

cant remember

[modest perch]

yea cus u didnt have balloon

[zealous wing]

clearly

[long saddle]

oh I thought it was someone else because of the kill count

but they weren't yours

[zealous wing]

kill count?

[long saddle]

the killfeed

[zealous wing]

oh skaory

i can type

and read

i promise

it was private games for like, 20-30 matches total, several days

only smite

various ways

permasmite, melee assist, emergency "oh shit",

the ENTIRE time it was, "assail would do this better", "my melee would literally be better" "ranged weapon is better"

and, assail works in every modifier

granted it doesnt do shit to carapace, few hundred dmg at most

but its not FOR carapace, its for literally everything else

thats the most stupid argument i've continually heard btw

assail bad because it cant damage carapace

as if melee doesnt exist 😭

[ornate hamlet]

My assail is a machine that turns unstaggered rangers into staggered ragers

[zealous wing]

thats literally the main thing i give as an example

assail you throw and it staggers WHILE YOU ATTACK in melee

smite, cant do that

[ornate hamlet]

Lemme tellsies, my weaving was on fire today

I pushed a dog near a trapper, swapped to the shotgun and shot the trapper dead, then swapped back to bonk the dog before it recovered

Every misstep from the enemy is a punishable opening

[sage pulsar]

Assail is almost annoyingly great because like. It does so much sometimes i forget I have other options until I'm out of assail shards! XD

[ornate hamlet]

Among other stuff too, I really just vibe with this arby build I run

I have a lot of fun with quick blitzes, fast weapon swapping and high damage shots

BTL makes me wish shriek still had the old knockdown that didn't scale with peril

You wouldn't believe how much I used that in the past

Super useful for running non-warp weapons, but then they changed it

Funny how a person changes: when I first started playing, I mocked psyker's shriek with "this dude's special skill is pushing people, that's so lame", only to now love anything that pushes people in this game

[zealous wing]

its fun to bully back

[fading hedge]

I loved the shriek back when I started, I like gaze, but Shriek is my first love

[ornate hamlet]

The classic arby nade + BTL combo

WHO SAID YOU COULD GET UP YET

DOWN

[fading hedge]

STOP RESISTING!

BODY CAM IS OFF!(it was never on)

(body cam was never installed)

[ornate hamlet]

I think shriek was my favourite tool for bulwarks in the past because I didn't run stagger stuff like voidblast (known to the ancient as trauma)

So I'd use the low cooldown very liberally to do things like fast brain burst, push bulwarks and poxbursters, secure revives, save people from dogs through walls

I love simple tools that get these uses that make you go "damn, it could do that?"

[zealous wing]

"idk how you got the dog off me but thank you" is not uncommon in comms when i play with newer folks

(fgs sword slash, usually, sometimes a shriek)

[ornate hamlet]

I make it a habit to flex arby nade saves

Guy gets pounced across the map and there I am, doing throws like the rock goats

For vet it's funny to do bounces on geometry to make it explode on a tricky spor

Arby does that a bit, but on a very short fuse

[deft stump]

"Because armoured scawy in melee. I don't wanna melee crushers." -Said every one of that sort of players.

[deft stump]

There's no fuse really, nicks a tiny bit of geometry, boom.

[upbeat kestrel]

Being a pussy does not save you from being squished by a crusher

[deft stump]

It does lower the chance of being hit if it's aggro'd to someone else though.

[upbeat kestrel]

Yup

[deft stump]

Why do you think they love stealth?

[upbeat kestrel]

I love stealth vet

But then despise playing stealth zealot

[cold plaza]

yes beloved, i think i might have to burn the orphans..

[radiant frigate]

es una profeta falsa

[deft stump]

I like doing it to budget smack bosses for half their hp bars, then forget it existed till someone goes down or dies.

Because I run knoife instead of thunderhammer.

[ancient shadow]

dont you guys just love getting put into a defeat screen

[zealous wing]

does suck

[stone canyon]

Crafting my first post-crafting patch Force Sword, warp resist is the dump and optimal is even below 60% ?

[marble crater]

Yes, if you are rich try to get below 60%, if you are not rich and need to craft a bunch of other weapons, then 60% is fine and it can wait

[deft stump]

60% is reccomended if newer as well, lower requires you to care for peril more.

[stone canyon]

Checks

Yeah, not rich

In this case, instead of new, more like old and rusty, played back in '23-'24

Actually, didnt realise im that broke, guess ill try to build it later and first grind some credits

Unless ill get it in 3 tries

[marble crater]

good luck

[stone canyon]

Failed, will try again later

[marble crater]

[sage pulsar]

I was stupid lucky with my FGS, got a perfect role like immediately and even when i maxed out all the other stats i still had only 50% warp resist

[zealous wing]

indeed

i was so salty

[sage pulsar]

Heh. Although sometimes I wonder what unlucky thing will happen just to equal that luck out

Maybe that's why I'm always dog and charged food

[zealous wing]

lol

mebbe

[deft stump]

I'm just unlucky then.

[sage pulsar]

Really? No lucky happening to balance it out?

[zealous wing]

karien doesnt count numerous clutches as luck, its pure skill ||and panic||

rude, it is gonna make me do this damn map to finish the campaign on this character

cannot skip ascension riser

cannot escape it

[stone canyon]

Crafting doesnt really require luck these days compared to past. Saying as someone who hunted power sword blessing for half year until gave up and quit game.

[zealous wing]

just because the luck is different doesnt mean there isnt luck

[stone canyon]

Yeah i mean those low warp are the exception, in past everything was RNG in very harsh way

[zealous wing]

i am aware, but still, you either get lucky with a proper dump stat quickly, or you dont

and, you can still try luck at the randomly given perks/blessings at hadron until you can actually get to the point of choosing your own

[stone canyon]

Yeah, but the struggle is like... 1% compared to 100% in past 😄

[zealous wing]

doesnt matter tbh

its still luck

and its still annoying, but has to be dealt with

[stone canyon]

Well, you can still get perfect 60% warp resist with rest 80% with perfect perks and blessings

In the past, everything was random and youd likely have to settle like III tier blessings and perks too

[zealous wing]

after some luck based gambling for stats, yes, you can

[stone canyon]

With stats all over the place

People checked web browser addon for the shop every 1h to check if finally decent enough weapon there so you can try something new

And even after that, you had to consecrate it and likely brick it

In the end, after half year of hunting Power Cycler IV for Power Sword which it requires, i never got it

And i just left the game

[quartz barn]

Then theres plasma with the cursed 76/64 roll

[deft stump]

I guess the luckiest things are the friends I got.

[deft stump]

Just pure panic and meta or memes.

[deft stump]

Try spending 250k dockets just on a basic def dump.

It's likely more.

And it was just to 60% so not even trying for 0% or so.

I got so many 60% damage dumps.

[sage pulsar]

That does sound lucky

[hardy coral]

man.... Bladed momentum/perfect strike would be such a deadly combination for Heavy sword if bladed momentum lasted 3.5 seconds, not just 2.5

[deft stump]

Is it worth it? Perhaps.

Don't need luck with friends, right?

[sage pulsar]

You don't need luck with trends indeed

[zealous wing]

feckin

RUDE

[deft stump]

They'll compensate for my lack of skill, right?

[sage pulsar]

They'll increase your amount of skill exponentially

[hardy citrus]

@hearty wolf havoc later?

[deft stump]

Yep. Win more with them.

[sage pulsar]

Exactly

[stone canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFzTFs_Z0o

These Mr E builds been talked here already and whats people's take on em?

I know his ogryn video didnt land too well on ogryn-class

[jovial juniper]

He's probably on his easy money farm arc rn

[zinc phoenix]

Flame stick needs to be nerfed

Not because it’s op but because it’s fuckin dull

Boring things should die that fun things may live

[jovial juniper]

Let him cook

[hardy citrus]

mister E builds are typically pretty shit from what ive seen

[radiant frigate]

his arguments about why psyker and vet are too strong are.. interesting

"inferno has infinite cleave and no resource cost and this violates Da Rules"

[weary idol]

close to correct yeah

infinite cleave is impossible to balance because the game uses enemy density as difficulty

[hearty wolf]

Hm.

[weary idol]

I don't actually think things having no resource cost is that big of a deal if they aren't overtuned for other reasons on top of that

[hearty wolf]

I'll see, cba to lose.

Need to control going into negative dodges me guess

[deft stump]

Density is too much for low cleave or hard capped weapons atm.

[jovial juniper]

Infinite cleaver or not interacting with cleave is broken yeah

But I'm not going to complain about free stuff

[loud girder]

people in the comments have severe skill issue holy

bunch of people crying about ogryn nerfs too

what nerf? u cant light spam mindlessly anymore? maybe learn the game

[zinc phoenix]

But they aren’t. Flame stick has zero peril cost despite being infinite cleave high damage DOT spreader

There are literally no downsides

Meanwhile the skill floor is comical, you can have a barely functional hand and still play it well enough for mid tier havoc

[barren arrow]

the bulwark in question

[weary idol]

If they aren't overtuned for other reasons on top of that

[deft stump]

Would you like 14 bulwark wall?

[barren arrow]

that's just rotten armor

[weary idol]

flame stick being overtuned is because of the "infinite cleave high damage DOT spreader" part

[barren arrow]

they do that

[weary idol]

not the zero peril cost part

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah there is some room for skill expression around buff maintenance but compare it to the work required to get voidstrike to do anything and it’s absurd how much easier and more powerful flame stick is

[barren arrow]

voidblast under da sea

[zinc phoenix]

Imagine if you had to actually aim to get value out of flame stick like you do with every other stick

And not just vaguely wave it toward the enemy while collecting the highest dps in the game

At the lowest peril cost

It’s legitimately the dumbest shit ever

[weary idol]

or imagine if it didn't have the highest dps in the game since you don't have to aim with it

so it remains an accessible staff for people who suck balls, but isn't completely dominating the meta

[barren arrow]

Also the way soulblaze works with rending melee is quite dum dum

[jovial juniper]

Make bulwarks genuinely and consistently block Infernus/flamer

🗣️

[zinc phoenix]

At least the flamethrower requires you to gobble ammo like a fat kid gobbles hohos

[unkempt panther]

IMHO:

• Flame staff is probably too powerful in the current endgame with loads and loads of enemies. I think endgame will always have to involve loads of enemies. I think flame staff probably needs some kind of slight nerf, directly or indirectly. At least make the blessings on your melee weapon not apply to your preexisting flame stacks, IMHO.
• Near 100% uptime on "stun the whole screen" via smite is just not good for the game. Something needs to change around smite. For example, change it completely to some kind of instant effect ranged nuke lightning bolt. Or keep it as "stun the whole screen" with a long RMB, and quick stun with a short RMB, but give it a separate ammo regenerating ammo counter like assail.
• The cooldown node is indeed extremely powerful especially considering obese fish nerfed similar things quite hard on other classes.
• Empathic evasion is also probably too powerful.
• I disagree with him on empowered psionics. I think that a keystone that enables you to spam your blitz and make your build be about your blitz is a perfectly fine keystone. The problem is the current implementation. It's too strong with smite, and it's too weak with assail and brain burst, IMO. I think a big part of the problem is the random and unreliable nature of getting charges, and charges capping at 3, means you can't plan around it. The benefits happen at random times. I'd like to see it made into a constant effect, or at least a more reliable effect like disrupt destiny.

[barren arrow]

also flamethrower slows you down so much and feels more clunky to brace

[zinc phoenix]

Empower needs to let assail not be a limp dick against carapace if almost every baddie that matters is gonna be carapace

[deft stump]

You mean slower to brace.

[weary idol]

I mean carapace enemies are actually a very small fraction of the "enemies that matter"

[barren arrow]

I mean while braced you move and dodge slower, but that as well yes

[hardy citrus]

this isn't true at all though

[barren arrow]

crushers and trappers ong be my only ops in life

[zinc phoenix]

But a large percentage of the ones that gobble all my shards and prevent them cleaving

[weary idol]

unless you are about to genuinely try and tell me gunners, flamers, trappers, and snipers don't matter

[barren arrow]

everything else feels like a massive skill issue if I get hit by it

[unkempt panther]

I think the problem is in the PUG nature of the game: You need to be able to handle it because there's no guarantee that the randos that you get will be able to handle it.

[deft stump]

EP assail is a low diff meme. Too weak for anything higher than heresy.

[nocturne dust]

To be fair, it doesn't have the highest DPS in damnation

[zinc phoenix]

I mean I use ep assail in havoc and I carry with it but I’m doing so much other stuff to make it work it’s absurd

[unkempt panther]

I get way better results playing around assail when I take warp siphon, doing half and half assail and force sword.

[quartz barn]

Smite on its own is fine but combined with ep breaks its identity

[zinc phoenix]

Meanwhile I could alternate left click and right click on flame stick and walk through the map like Dorothy in oz

[quartz barn]

Something that has literally no risk should not be able to kill

[unkempt panther]

I think even with no risk and no kill pressure, 100% uptime on "stun the whole screen" is just a bad game. It makes the game boring for everyone involved. I'm not saying it's a bad strategy, but it is bad game design.

[quartz barn]

Its more about feedback

[deft stump]

Why is just funny on lower diffs. On higher, assail is mostly for quick peril gen for meleekers or gunkers.

[quartz barn]

Because in most content you dont realize it does fuck all

Unless its high end content where you become a detriment to the team

[unkempt panther]

I seem to do ok with warp siphon, assail with both nodes behind it, and shriek, with malefic momentum. IMHO, on aurics maelstrom. AGain, half and half assail and sword. I don't know if it would work into havoc. Probably not.

[quartz barn]

But in the players mind its not on them because it works everywhere else

[barren arrow]

malefic momentum my beloved

[quartz barn]

That why you occasionally get heated arguments in here with new server members who are dying on the smite is good hill

[weary idol]

Smite is good and it shouldn't be

[zinc phoenix]

im just gonna repeat that if you pair it with wall and rending trauma it can be pretty solid but it requires serious effort LOL

[barren arrow]

EP Smite w/ Scrier's is ridiculously powerful, it's just not fun lmao

[deft stump]

Too much to be really viable.

[unkempt panther]

Smite is too good, mechanically. It's also boring gameplay. Offhand, I would love for smite to be able to stun the whoel screen for 5-10 seconds like it can now, but with a separate ammo counter so you can only do it every 1 minute or 2 minutes. ANd/or spend the separate ammo on lots of quicker stuns, like that annoying poxburster, or carapace.

[quartz barn]

I also mean this more from the average player pov who mostly plays heresy

[zinc phoenix]

Smite is good in a “fuck you eat a barrel you dick” way

Smite users make me glad I learned to juggle bursters with my trauma staff

Always a convenient way to remove someone from the game

[barren arrow]

We ever talk about audio cues?
Might be a "Windows Sonic for Headphones" moment, but my audio seems very very wrong when something is in the next room over through an open doorway

[deft stump]

Just the game.

[radiant frigate]

imagine if smite was cool

[quartz barn]

Dont you stare at me @deft stump you know its true

[barren arrow]

Can't tell you how many times I've had a poxburster walk through a door and suddenly go from sounding across the map to being right next to me lol

[zinc phoenix]

There’s no way to make smite cool

[barren arrow]

Will try turning windows sonic for headphones off actually, I remember helldivers 2 really didn't like me having it on

[deft stump]

I'm the funni bottom barrel heresy player.

[radiant frigate]

what if it was a reskinned brain burst

would that be cool

[deft stump]

I still dislike smite.

[jovial juniper]

It could also be borked sound gates in the map

[quartz barn]

Lies

[zinc phoenix]

Not really because then we have two things that do the same thing

[unkempt panther]

IMHO, it needs to be a cool clutch utility with a longer cooldown and/or separate rengerating ammo supply (mostly equivalent to a longer cooldown), so you can save a run by clutching one bad moment here or there, but not trivializing the whole run.

[deft stump]

The thing about sonic and like stuff is they aren't made specifically for the game so jank.

[zinc phoenix]

Well I’m gonna go do the event, is it cool with new baddies or did they literally just leave it the same while fiddling drugs

[deft stump]

Is truth. I play malice to meme.

[zinc phoenix]

“Shock mine but for psyker” 🤷‍♀️

[quartz barn]

We need a "proccing perils of the warp spawns a friendly demonhost" skill

[barren arrow]

"How do you start your havoc 40 mission?"
"I shoot the psyker."

[deft stump]

Dreg only mid havoc corrupted stimm but full hp/toughness and 50 stimms on the map.

[unkempt panther]

I think making smite into a literal lightning bolt with an instant effect damage and maybe stun would be interesting. AOE brainburst, basically.

[jovial juniper]

My smite works like Arby's shield special idea still up

[zinc phoenix]

So shriek with the damage node that got removed because no one took it

Now it has a new and somehow far worse node no one takes 😂

[unkempt panther]

Lol, is there ever a reason to take the flat damage node? Its existence still bothers me to this day.

[zinc phoenix]

It doesn’t exist anymore

And no zero reason

[unkempt panther]

Oh yea, they just reworked it, I forgot because i have assumed for what, years now(?), that it's a useless node.

[deft stump]

I want it to be like prismatic spray or cone of fire. One conical blast, hits everything in it, x. Second hold/stagger.

[buoyant maple]

Dreg seed, pox gas, loads of stims, enemies use stims, using stim gives perma buff (gas resist + myriad of bonuses inside gas)

[zinc phoenix]

Nice

[radiant frigate]

i would like it to be more cast-and-release than cast-and-hold
like old surge

[zinc phoenix]

Having it as an ultra fast stagger would be useful

[radiant frigate]

it did effectively replace old surge but it did so in a smelly way

[deft stump]

Wish they told you actual stats. Ppl think tox immunity at 100%.

[zinc phoenix]

But shriek is already an ultra fast high damage do everything stagger

[unkempt panther]

But that's an active, not a blitz. And this idea would be narrower line. Or maybe a circle centered on the first target. I'm just spitballing ideas, because clearly smite as we have it now is bad. PS: I think I would prefer my idea of a longer cooldown and/or separate regenerating ammo counter (like assail) so that smite can still do everything it can do now, but just a lot less frequently. Make it into clutch skill, instead of "I use this for everything" skill.

In particular, I would also move the damage from empowered psionics smite to the base version, and give an ammo counter to smite to make it useable (far) less frequently, and I think that could be decently healthy. Would need to do something for empowered psionics smite, but empowered psionics overall is just bad IMO and needs a tweak or rework.

[burnt gazelle]

wait, bonuses inside gas?

[odd swallow]

what psyker voice pack is with the "beloved"?

[radiant frigate]

seer

[odd swallow]

oh

[radiant frigate]

i would like to use this moment to lament the discernible lack of ice-based magic in warhammer

[wraith sphinx]

Especially given how unnatural freezing cold is the most common sensation experienced when warp fuckery is abound.

[barren arrow]

valhallan psyker

[zinc phoenix]

rare wholesometide

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0f62433-c7c9-43a0-9359-2889aa3a8b70

current version of wall build

i swapped out crit on trauma for vs elite because i really only pull it out to smite carapace blobs or stagger stuff and dont have anything to really use the crits anymore

i also dumped EE because wall kinda eliminates the need for it

i figured it might be neat to try battle med so im doin it

PC not really doing anything in this build with no soulfire stacking so no real point to it

[deft stump]

Dmg, ms, atk spd.

From what I can see. Works on ranged as well.

[zinc phoenix]

it isnt really noticeable and bc everything is soft assail shreds pretty hard

most of my damage doing the event just now came from me being out of practice and taking backshots from a pack of dregs that spawned in behind me

the rest all died super fast

im so tempted to drop soulstealer for psychic leeching. i know its not good but itd be fun to dump a billion toughness on people sometimes

anyway with MM and all the +dmg/+rend from traits the melee hits pretty hard so thats nice

[wraith sphinx]

Nice, I think I got a similar reaction a couple times when playing rending shockwave trauma bubble

[stone canyon]

Ive actually had it mostly wholesome past month that ive been around after returning

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, let me fix that.

gtfo trash noob playing busted psyker auto win class

Ew. I felt dirty even typing that. I'm sorry. :<

[stone canyon]

Joke's on you, ive played like 2 matches with psyker so far returning, im currently farming credits so i can craft my first proper Force Sword, then ill try it proper

[hoary mauve]

Someone wrote on Reddit:

"last but not least, you need a good psyker with good game/map knowledge who can keep up with the frontline because smite build is one of the most difficult builds to play"

They're trolling right? 😅

[zealous wing]

i mean

it IS the most difficult to stay alive with

and the most difficult to make decent clear time with

but thats simply because, thats how it works

locks you down, and teaches horrible habits

even experienced players fall into its traps when using it

simply because it exists

[hoary mauve]

I had to double check their post, wondering if maybe they meant they're a FGS psyker who uses smite for emergencies. But alas, they had a list of what everybody else in the party should do. 😅😆

[zealous wing]

ah so they're the smyker

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[zealous wing]

"most difficult build to play" because they get backstabbed constantly, i'd wager. usually how smykers go down

[buoyant maple]

First half of statement is kinda right
Second half is wack

[zealous wing]

a good psyker, with good map knowledge, and can keep up with the frontline, is 100% on the money... but you dont NEED a psyker

[buoyant maple]

Psyker is not required, psyker is just really overpowered

[zealous wing]

you just need someone on crowd control / trashclearing, at least one frontliner, at least 2 (preferably all three non-CCers) on specialist duties, and someone with boss DPS. can be the same class in most cases

for an ideal 4man run

[verbal thistle]

Separate then if you don't feel comfortable fighting them while overlapped. Force push, use terrain, barrels. Then hit them in the head really hard

[unkempt panther]

Retreating into a cleared area when hard-pressed is often a good idea that I don't see people doing too often.

[buoyant maple]

Good quad only needs to tick these boxes

• frontliner
• mixed horde dps
• boss dps
• specialist sniping

All 4 categories should be prioritized by at least 2 people in the team

[unkempt panther]

Where's carapace duty fit in that?

[buoyant maple]

That’s just mixed horde usually

[unkempt panther]

mm

[buoyant maple]

Rager mauler ogryns

[zealous wing]

person with boss DPS tho can also likely at least help

unless the boss DPS is boltgun

[buoyant maple]

Usually high boss dps guy also has high carapace dps

[zealous wing]

then they get like, one or two

[buoyant maple]

Every class can usually check 2~3 of those 4 categories with proper builds

[zealous wing]

but ye especially if its a thammer/relicblade zealot as your boss dps, or FGS psyker, they got carapace handled

rot is more rough tho, ideally need a DoT haver

[icy breach]

Oh not even close

[icy breach]

Yeah nah

[zealous wing]

and make decent clear time

didnt you have a run with smyker take like an hour and a half though?

[icy breach]

Lack of awareness

Is common

[zealous wing]

if someone is calling it the most difficult build to play on reddit

they die a lot with it

[icy breach]

Have you seen the modifiers & the map? I suggest watching it cause it seems you didn’t

[zealous wing]

what were the mods

[modest perch]

id call gun psyker the hardest just cus it goes nyooooom ...

[icy breach]

Refinery delta
Pox gas with tox bombers
Rotten & Cranial? Can’t remember the other one tbh; been some time

Probably purple

Yes it was purple; just checked

So yeah

[icy breach]

Here; give it a watch
https://youtu.be/FbGnaRK35z0

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is one of few builds easier to play than Inferno + Bubble. Not that the average Inferno + Bubble psyker is particularly good.

[ripe obsidian]

As Psyker, I often am the frontline unless I have a solid team. 50/50 chance people are too afraid to move forward until I do.

[ripe obsidian]

I think there's some nuance here. A good Psyker is overpowered, inarguably. But I see so many terrible Psykers regularly. Earlier this week, one of my teams commented about how much better I was than their previous Psyker, and how he had positioned poorly while doing little damage.

[buoyant maple]

Yea tbh the avg psyker is not very good

[plucky flax]

Sry it's me average psyker.

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker, even Purgatus builds, has a decently high skill ceiling. This is why every random Psyker used Empyric Shock on Purg, because they can't position so they rely on LMB spam to staggerlock things. Then their damage is garbage.

[buoyant maple]

I’ve never seen inferno psyker use that talent

Or I didn’t pay attention

[ripe obsidian]

Really?

Almost every single random I see has it

[marble crater]

Their damage is garbage, because they are garbage

[buoyant maple]

The recent psykers I see are either smite or bubble lol

[ripe obsidian]

Not even accounting for the worse AoE and uptime, single-target damage on an H40 mauler is like 1/3 lower with LMB spam Empyric Shock than just holding RMB.

[ripe obsidian]

Gross.

Lately I have been swapping between EK, Trauma, and Purg, all of which with Shriek. I used Bubble once this week because I had a team that couldn't handle specials, and it wasn't enough

I think I perform best overall on EK + Shriek because I can easily kill specials

[verbal thistle]

Aren't psyker players on average bad because the class is too strong, what about that approach

They don't need to learn game mechanics since they can ignore most of them

[ripe obsidian]

Wouldn't that, ostensibly, bring up the skill floor?

[verbal thistle]

Ie, stagger/ranged spam

[buoyant maple]

I think they’re just bad across the board and on a class with a wider performance gap they look worse

[modest perch]

yea kinda putting the cart before the horse on this one bro

theyre bad cus they use little/none of the things that make the class good

[hearty wolf]

I can't believe this

A purg staff having a decently high skill ceiling

The floor for it is in the abyss somewhere, the ceiling is "do you know about uncanny?"

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't start playing Psyker until after I got Auric Storm Survivor (legitimately, and when it was the most difficult title to get; before people realized you could cheese it). I got ASS on... I think Dueling Sword + Zarona Revolver vet?

[modest perch]

thats a bit reductive

[ripe obsidian]

The ceiling is proper positioning, knowing when to use LMB vs RMB, understanding when you can stand and fight, knowing how to push forward for your team, covering multiple angles effectively, etc. It's not as high a ceiling as something like melee scum or a good vet--but I honestly think vet is the hardest class to play well--but it's not that low.

[hearty wolf]

It's like the complete opposite of EK which has an okay floor but the ceiling on that thing is OOF

[dull scroll]

it's not the staff, it's the entire kit
the staff itself is ez mode, but if you want to utilize the entire build the celling is pretty high
most newer players fall into the classic RPG mind set and think psyker's melee is a useless token so they just spam the staff, for everything
hence where terms like purge bots come from

[hearty wolf]

I hear you on the positioning but every class has to position well.

And where it gets weird is, is the team is positioning well, it does a lot of the heavy work for the psyker

So yes the psykers positioning is important but it's probably less important than other classes because your team are just going to be a wall for you unless you're going out of your way to die

Psyker positioning during bad situations is pretty difficult but they also get EE so don't get raped by ranged which is the most lethal type of units generally speaking

Also just as a disclaimer, I do not think the people who I play with are bad players by any means who use Inferno

I tend to shit on it a lot

[ripe obsidian]

Honestly, I kinda feel like LMB EK is easier because you can deal with threats at any range.

[hearty wolf]

It's not a personal attack

And I can easily tell when there is a good and bad psyker on Inferno (tempo etc) but I think it's not to do with anything to do with the build

[ripe obsidian]

I did more melee damage on a staffker build than a toxin scum the other day. I was at like 130k melee damage to their... 80k?

[plucky flax]

So real that's me.

[dull scroll]

I noticed that in some of my games as well

[hearty wolf]

Using Syllo as an example, he's SO aggressive that he farms more damage and it becomes a feast or famine on the scoreboard because if you're not as playing as close to death as he is, not only is he getting more damage, you're suffering because you're not even in range of the enemies

[modest perch]

yea cus toxin scum sucks

[hearty wolf]

Which widens the gap

And then there's a debate to be had about how good players can sabotage missions with their pacing

[modest perch]

or rather the poopknife sucks n most of their dmg is coming from dot

[hearty wolf]

Oh this is me completely derping. I forgot lmb EK was a thing. I was thinking about right click only

[hoary mauve]

which one is that?

[hearty wolf]

I still think purg is easier than left click EK because hordes are a bit trickier on EK lmb imo? And then your melee kinda gets roped into wanting to do horde clear

[ripe obsidian]

Right-click EK is pretty weak. Honestly on par with Voidstrike

[hearty wolf]

@hardy citrus if friend doesn't message me back, we can go derank me to 30 I guess

[ripe obsidian]

Though I'm probably an 80/20 split on LMB vs RMB. RMB for single specials/elites without anything near them or bulwarks or crushers (if I am not meleeing them)

[hearty wolf]

Or with how dog shit I am, maybe 20

Malice level havoc is probably the appropriate difficulty for me

I'm also taking pickpocket off again because I had nightmares yesterday about it

I'd rather die to a single reaper than that

@plucky flax oh wait it's not a weekend

It is*

Are you around

[ripe obsidian]

I think the simple answer to that debate is that if the team isn't all moving at a similar pace, special spawns increase and separation is easy

And even the best players struggle when separated from their team

That's why soloing is such a challenge. One mistake with no team to compensate is run-ending

[ripe obsidian]

He is in another country for work. Unsure if he can game

[ripe obsidian]

Probably bleed build, based on the comment

[ripe obsidian]

I think Toxin scum is the equivalent of Inferno psyker. Safest build on a difficult but powerful class, significant impact with little risk.

[hearty wolf]

Agree

It's vile

[weary idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241878072605540508/1324137193421148211/media-iv-text.gif

[hardy citrus]

huge

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I like toxin scum, but it struggles a lot without a frontline.

[wraith sphinx]

I concur, toxin scum is... braindead

[weary idol]

as toxin scum surely you are part of the frontline no?

[ripe obsidian]

I am frontline when playing melee scum, for better or worse

[plucky flax]

No im off to bed

[ripe obsidian]

With toxin scum I go pewpew

[hardy citrus]

you get that message back?

[radiant frigate]

unsanctioned witches out here giving my siblings a bad name

smh

[hearty wolf]

It's time

[hardy citrus]

kk

gimme 1 sec

[hardy citrus]

omw

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849903143866539

[ripe obsidian]

It's kind of interesting how the best Psykers make the class look OP, but the average Psyker seems worse than, say, the average Vet or Arby.

But the average vet is weirdly good compared to other classes imo

Average Zealot just runs book and beacon and does not a lot else.

[hearty wolf]

Speedrun to 32

now to 31 we go

[ripe obsidian]

Godspeed

[deft stump]

Because it's basically first person shooter at sone level.

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker going back to having a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling (it never stopped)

[ripe obsidian]

Going by the average Psyker, I am not sure the skill floor is that low. Even a bubble + inferno or smite Psyker is often pretty, uh, lackluster. They follow the meta and see really good psykers, and they think the class is free wins. Then they position poorly while spamming LMB or holding RMB or holding smite and they just die. No understanding of movement or target priority. But maybe they're even less impressive on other classes, I dunno.

But I am not really one to talk, since I only consistently play Psyker and Arby at a high level.

As much as I want to be good at Scum and Vet and Zealot, I am... decent at scum, bad at the other two.

[ornate hamlet]

I think it's more in the sense that you can just grab something like smite and it "works"

Or you go TF2 pyro mode with the inferno staff and it also does something

[hardy citrus]

that's not psyker that's the game skill floor in general

[ornate hamlet]

Meanwhile a zealot or an ogryn that can't do melee basics still gets consistently downed

Vet still has some of the psyker easiness by just making a shock trooper build, but at least they aim something a little bit

Psyker having weapons with a generous AoE and infinite ammo can really do someone's brain in at time

[ripe obsidian]

This is fair.

[ripe obsidian]

This is also fair.

Psyker does have an outsized impact for little cost due to AoE and CC.

[ornate hamlet]

Also the player gets smite early on in the game

You can't make a shock trooper build early on to spam guns at everything because it's all the way down on the tree

So right from the start-ish the psyker player can already develop this bad habit of leaning onto smite for everything and it "works" because they die eventually and the player didn't lose health from the 5 poxwalkers they stunlocked in uprising

Not that the other classes don't get ridiculous, of course

Just that psyker can get silly earlier for less effort

[ripe obsidian]

Honestly not something I had considered, the early ease of smite. I advocate so hard for Assail until level 30 that I guess I blinded myself to the average new player experience

[ornate hamlet]

Happens to all of us, I think

It's a notorious effect on teachers and other similar positions

[ripe obsidian]

At level... 5? or wherever you get an upgraded blitz, maulers and crushers and such are actually raid bosses. Smite is one of few tools at that level that allow you to manage them

[ornate hamlet]

We just kinda... stop understanding things from the very early perspective

[ripe obsidian]

I taught entry-level IT at a community college for a while. I definitely experienced that a bit.

[viscid cloak]

Never used smite, but most smite psykers i see arent really being helpful when they use it for EVERYTHING

Like bro, 2 people are down and your teammate is nowhere near, i dont think palpatine can help against the horde and 2 crushers constantly trying to overhead you

[ripe obsidian]

Particularly in regards to teaching subnetting, ha

[deft stump]

Thing is also mindset, some ppl like to run the easiest laziest thing for them.

[hearty wolf]

31

Soon 30

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz has a video of someone smiting a pogryn.

[hearty wolf]

Spent the entire game shooting gunners

[ripe obsidian]

Smite Psykers also tend to stand still and wait for the team to resolve the problem at higher difficulties, when Smite can no longer kill things

[hearty wolf]

Got combo'd by a burster hitting me into the air into a net

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1355639152607100978/1437AA1.MP4?ex=697e6558&is=697d13d8&hm=c5680560928222f19d1275e8396b73ee017f6b17c7321ef55712a0673de69e81&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277677568702681128/1355639480022733010/B028971.MP4?ex=697e65a6&is=697d1426&hm=e97dd2187cda6574f6f3b8b7271894ab4842703dcee0ff2c96af546c44af441d&

[unkempt panther]

Vet shout easy to use? half /s, half serious

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, the core of the problem has always been the overuse

[hardy citrus]

LMAO

[verbal thistle]

the slow and dangerous burster...

who would've seen that coming

[viscid cloak]

Dear lord...

[zinc phoenix]

he was busy watching the greatest threat in the game: ||deez||

[ornate hamlet]

My guy was TURNING THE CORNER

[verbal thistle]

sprinting with smite out

its a sign

[ornate hamlet]

Did he expect someone to push it for him because smite was the only thing he equipped (he found a new bug), or did he genuinely never learn how to listen to specials?

[verbal thistle]

I have like 4 checks for psykers

to know if they are a smite spammer

[ornate hamlet]

Oh man, you're giving me flashbacks to one that I saw recently

The 3 wounds one

I heard one rager and saw the dude lose half his health

He complained people ran ahead and I said I was looking for somewhere interesting to play

[weary crane]

Smite should only be used for bursters

[ornate hamlet]

He spent the rest of the match running ahead of us and spamming the location ping if we weren't there

[verbal thistle]

1: bad setup weapons (saw someone with Hsword and vigilent auto with the worst stats/perks/blessings)
2: lighting names/emblem
3: wound curios
4: running with blitz out
5: Ep/gaze/emp resolve

my check list to know if someone is going to spam smite

so far

100% accuracy

[ornate hamlet]

My heart unsinking from my chest when I see Palpatine pull out an EK staff

My 100% is when I see bubble and smite on the lobby

Which is ironic, because that's what I use

I just know how the fuck to use them

[hearty wolf]

Entire team died to gunners again

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-naked-gun-2025-movie-film-naked-gun-gif-6532811580494900784

[hearty wolf]

how do I win

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277677568702681128/1355639610688012570/27FF721.MP4?ex=697e65c5&is=697d1445&hm=eb36f9c7a7a8d6fc88e3ffa49bc2ec398262683ab40a981b0f218a0f05c88a56&

[ornate hamlet]

Discord video broke for the 3rd time, but this one is already explained by the thumbnail alone

[verbal thistle]

lol

[ornate hamlet]

I can also tell you weren't sprinting or swinging at anything, which I'm gonna guess meant you just sat there staring at the guy

[viscid cloak]

What are some recommended ranged or staff weapons for smite?, should it be more focused on elite & special killing or should that be left for melee?

[ornate hamlet]

Ainz moral support build

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/eddington-breaking-bad-sneeze-gif-15105135

Ainzs secret DN moral support build (2026)

[ornate hamlet]

I like running the agri shotgun because I can countersnipe and still have a decently spammy gun for when I'm in a pickle

If you care about sniping alone, you can grab a revolver and surety of arms

Bolt pistol also works pretty well and I guess can be a middle ground between the two I named

[viscid cloak]

Is the shotgun decent for killing large groups of ranged infantry?

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle do you think Empyric Resolve is good for any Psyker Shriek or SG build? I haven't been using it outside of Bubble, and I barely use bubble anymore. The only staff I have considered using it on, really, is Trauma + Shriek.

[ornate hamlet]

If your aim is nice, you can chain headshots on them

With disrupt destiny, you get some nice damage

[verbal thistle]

I think its really good for new players with bubble

[viscid cloak]

Ill try the shotgun, revolver while nice, i would run out of ammo fast using it against Ranged infantry

[verbal thistle]

its safer and the downside matters way less

I personally don't like it

[ornate hamlet]

Surety of arms is something I pick for the shotgun too because it's really fast to swap, load a slug and swap back to melee even mid-combat

[unkempt panther]

also try the bolt pistol,

[ornate hamlet]

Unorthodox picks include the agri IAG and uhhh idk brown HH

Sorry, VIGILANT

[ripe obsidian]

Since removing ER from my Trauma build, I have felt immortal. Also removed EE, because the uptime is meh.

[ornate hamlet]

Both headshot weapons and deal some super mid bodyshot damage, but massive finesse to abuse with disrupt destiny

[unkempt panther]

I personally like the bolt pistol for that sort of role on my lol t-hammer martyrdom build.

[viscid cloak]

Never used it before, wasnt added at the time i was playing, is it like a middle ground between lazpistol and helbores?

[ornate hamlet]

The IAG people commonly use is the blue one, but that's pretty tricky to control when trying to snipe stuff across the map

[unkempt panther]

Bolt pistol is somewhat small ammo count, but quicker reload than a shotgun, accurate, hits hard, good for picking off specialists and weaker elites.

[ornate hamlet]

Sick boss damage tho

[unkempt panther]

I hear the revolver has better pen than the bolt pistol, which is its main advantage.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, and the green laspistol is great

Brown laspistol I have an infinite hatred for

[unkempt panther]

and bolt pistol is quick to pull out, (unlike the clunky boltgun)

I also liked some of the shotties back in the day for the same anti-specialist duty, but just gut feelign that bolt pistol is a little better. Probably a preference thing.

[hardy citrus]

FOR psyker prob

not for a lot of other classes imo

[hearty wolf]

tem ded again

speedrun to 29

[hardy citrus]

this vet is useless

[prime elk]

sorry

[deft stump]

Less clunky. Also more accurate distance wise to damage.

[hardy citrus]

nah u dont even

all he's done s die

he goes in

dies

gets revived

dies

[deft stump]

Based on running them on zealot anyway.

[ripe obsidian]

Are they running VoC or Exe Stance? I have an acquaintance who runs Exe Stance + Helbore to great effectiveness in H40s. Honestly impressive.

[ornate hamlet]

Me stealthing so I can reappear on the gunner crowd and interrupt all of them with the suppression effect

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-patrick-bateman-walking-gif-9041276689551848411

(I missed one and died)

[ripe obsidian]

I haven't seen a stealth vet in ages

I wish smokes were not so difficult to see through. They're my favorite blitz in the game, other than maybe the scum RPG, but they're so disruptive

[unkempt panther]

I missed the old ability of vet that said something like "you have 75% less aggro on enemies", just let everyone else deal with the actual mechanics, lol

[prime elk]

that mod really needs to be the base game

[prime elk]

it's an infil subnode no?

[hearty wolf]

We might hit 25 today

[ornate hamlet]

I think it used to be, or idk

[unkempt panther]

Honestly don't remember.

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, still is

[prime elk]

i think it's 90% threat reduction

[ornate hamlet]

There's 1 charge, -90% threat and 50% TDR

Wish the 1 charge was base too tbh

Infilntrate is the only ability for vet that has 3 modifiers

Exec stance has 3, but the player can only pick 2

[prime elk]

infil must suffer

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-this-will-not-stand-gif-27049844

[spice aurora]

wtb dog audio, or will trade for rune scimmy

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/oye-cat-enough-stop-petting-gif-8639785326678511628

[ripe obsidian]

Which mod?

[prime elk]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/517

[ripe obsidian]

Dog audio has been fine for me. Trappers and snipers, not so much.

I've gotten really good at timing pushes to deal with dogs even without looking at them

Which I know isn't that impressive at high levels, but it makes me feel skilled

[prime elk]

hate how half the time dogs just pounce without the fking windup anymore

ah yes here's 20 corruption for expecting the usual cues shitface

[deft stump]

They can all be silent for me.

Very fun to lose half your hp to a sniper behind you cos 0 warnings.

[ornate hamlet]

Dog giving corruption on pounce is so silly

You get messed even if the teammate unpins you a tenth of a second later

[deft stump]

Even excluding the fact I have so much lag is all a gamble.

[ornate hamlet]

It's like giving the mutant damage on grab

[deft stump]

Is why gold is so good.

[ripe obsidian]

Or corruption because the game parsed that you staggered the hound after parsing the pounce

[deft stump]

Or corruption immunity.

[prime elk]

when dogs used to work properly, it was fine side stepping and simultanously clotheslining the dog with my melee

now i don't dare do that anymore

[deft stump]

I just spam pushes and still fail to push.

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes I am brave and use shivs heavies or FGS pokes on doggos

[modest perch]

i dont even see em half the time cus theyre jumping thru a wall of 8 bulwarks

[prime elk]

instead of pushing? i see you like to live dangerously

[modest perch]

i like getting them while sliding under

esp with a well time pickaxe uppercut

[ornate hamlet]

I like getting them while standing still

[ripe obsidian]

Instead of pushing, yeah. It doesn't always work out.

[ornate hamlet]

It's funny when enemies Mr. President the others

I had a crusher show up the moment I was launching voidstrike on a sniper

[hearty wolf]

Okay lost 19 games in a row

time to quit

[ripe obsidian]

Make it an even 20

[hearty wolf]

I cba

it's too doomed

I will return to easier games

Like Nightreign

I will say tho the second I swapped to shriek ferno

We suddenly made a lot more progress

[radiant siren]

guys why do my mods not save settings

[ripe obsidian]

@orchid shadow in your game yesterday where the damage numbers jumped a crazy amount, do you have the scoreboard row for highest single damage hit?

[ornate hamlet]

Just play maelstrom

[low merlin]

I should take By Crack of Bone for my melee build to make my Scrier's Graze go on forever.

[modest perch]

do it n take precog (not the blessing) so u have maxed out buffs during scriers hopefully brief downtime

[loud girder]

Night reign depth 5 is harder

[prime elk]

exhibit #12434 on why redditors are subhuman

[ornate hamlet]

I was downvoted later on and some guy cast names upon me

[prime elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

me supporting the smyker

[ornate hamlet]

I will never finanically recover from BubiMannKuschelForce

He saw right through my "leave them to die lmao" disguised as advice

[ripe obsidian]

this hurts to read

[ornate hamlet]

I like "damnation/auric difficulty", as it implies they're still on the part where auric is sometimes too hard and they lower back to damnation

[modest perch]

i just whack everything regardless of whether or not its smitten (smote ?)

[ornate hamlet]

You'll catch me dead before I leave auric

Got On Overwatch there too

Like a MAN

[ornate hamlet]

Smytenned

[modest perch]

sometimes in the hope that by smacking the trash the smite will then jump to something actually dangerous like the wall of bulwarks or the infinite cleave specialists hiding behind it

[ornate hamlet]

With the Y having an "eye" sound

[modest perch]

smooted

[ornate hamlet]

smEYEtenned

also pull that E at the end, it's not mute

smEYEtennED

[modest perch]

ah like ye olde english

[ornate hamlet]

I remember when I was playing SWTOR and my inquisitor pulled the E on "learned"

Hell, the VA made sure to pronounce the E and the D

learn-ne-d

I love the female inquisitor VA in SWTOR

She has more main character aura than the smuggler

[ripe obsidian]

learnèd

It's a poetic device, sometimes, to fix syllable counts

[ornate hamlet]

I love how the bell curve works for these things

• I need to learn the basics, as I don't know them
• I need to practice and hone the basics to my best ability
• Fuck the basics lmao

Eventually you understand language on such a fundamental level that you start consciously going out of the pronounciation learned in school

By knowing what to do and what to not do, you can consciously mix both to induce a certain effect

[modest perch]

learnEd is a super old timey word tho. to be clear its an adjective and not the past tense of a verb

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, that's why I use shit like "thy" and "thou" regularly.

My degree is in English, I am an aspiring author, and my understanding of the language is pretty solid

So I do goofy things

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't know they had different pronounciations, admittedly

Though we do have this in Portuguese with sede = thirst and sede = headquarters

One E is like uhhh

Well

And uh, kind of

And the other is more open

[ripe obsidian]

In poetic English, è means it's a pronounced e

[ornate hamlet]

Phonetically I think they'd look like sêde and séde, but we keep removing accents for no fucking reason

[ripe obsidian]

so learned is pronounced like "lernd" but learnèd is "lern-ed"

[ornate hamlet]

The word linguiça used to have the umlaut ¨ to indicate the U is pronounced

So like guide being gide

But umlaut would make it gwide

And we removed that distinction

For no fucking reason

[ornate hamlet]

I have learned new tools of warfare

I will now stylise "ferry" as "ferrè"

[ripe obsidian]

Sickening

[hearty wolf]

It really isn't. Depth 5 is incredibly easy

There's SO much damage in Nightrein

Revenant with beast claw as starting incant? Instant GG since you'll clear every single POI on the map

Dormant power reapers?

GG press 1 button to win once you hit level 7

[loud girder]

u can still get 1 shot by anything so it doesnt matter

its only easy if all 3 players are cracked

if u have one deadweight its ggs

the hp scaling is just too high and if u dont get any dmg negations then gg

[hearty wolf]

Or just run damage negation

done

now you're two hit

If you don't find a single piece of damage negation the entire run, you're doing the wrong POIs or don't you know your merchants

And if someone is bad, just leave them dead or use their body to farm ults

[loud girder]

It's still long endurance fights unless you're running casters and cheese like Halo scythe

It's like saying havoc is ez cause u can just purg staff rooombler spam it

[hearty wolf]

I think my d5 bosses go much faster than d4 ever did

And d5 teammates actually play the game

unlike d4

Which is not the same as H40

[loud girder]

The thing is everyone who does depth 5 now is basically god himself at this point since getting there is so difficult

[hearty wolf]

This kinda true

[loud girder]

Depth 5 pre balancers and before people adjusted was something

[hearty wolf]

Either way I'm still dogshit and can clear d5 consistently without resorting to cheese which I can't say the same for havoc

[loud girder]

Mfw we have this unique roster with specialized relics and skills and everyone just running balancers

[hearty wolf]

Havoc is holding S the entire game it feels like

[hearty wolf]

Double balancer meta is so dogshit

Actually worse than evergaol because evergaol had the downside of you not getting decent weapons if you aimed to path for them

[loud girder]

It's fun to do DMG as melee guys but it homogenized everything lmao

[hearty wolf]

Dreglord relic is actually broken on raider

You can do 4k charged attacks on raider with it

ED balancers you literally 1 shot kill

they can't do anything

No need to kite

[loud girder]

I found it too annoying

On raider I just pray the game gives DMG negation on charged

[hearty wolf]

HH

[ornate hamlet]

same

[loud girder]

And run red balancers for safety and invaders

Me when I ignore death 10⁰000000 times

Zealot reference

[zinc phoenix]

The new event is ass

More gas than a German camp

[hearty wolf]

Another run lost to gunners

[hardy citrus]

ur still going?

[hearty wolf]

About to stop now

-23

[hardy citrus]

jesus

[hearty wolf]

Had tons of impact and went ahead and killed most of the gunner but then the Ogryn got gunned to death and I went back to revive him for some reason

Cba with this blight+ gunner crap

[hardy citrus]

it's so sad how BAD the average playher is

like

[hearty wolf]

want to do 1?

Might as well get to H0

[hardy citrus]

yeah could do

[hearty wolf]

kk time to re launch

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849643352862721

[hardy citrus]

im just playing metal slug anyway

[ornate hamlet]

Good taste

[hardy citrus]

metal slug bangs

i love it

[ripe obsidian]

The average player has always been bad. It's just easy to forget when playing H40s where most people are reasonably competent

[hardy citrus]

playing H40
where most people are reasonably competent

what hav40's are you in?

me and sin are legit

getting the most unbelievable animals

[verbal thistle]

real

[hearty wolf]

h27 cleared

it's possible

[stone canyon]

I should keep this as 490?

[hardy citrus]

i mean yeah it's perfectly usable until u decide to try and roll a lower warp res one

[hollow summit]

Wat?

[ruby bloom]

always dump mobility if possible

its like maybe 1% mobility per 20% or something

[hollow summit]

On a force sword?

People are engaging in confusing behaviours today

[mighty cipher]

for Force Greatswords it’s Warp Resistance. You want the big slash to charge you up as much as possible before firing.

[ripe obsidian]

I win maybe 50% of the time with randoms. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

[eternal tusk]

just letting you lot know my beloved very proud of you genusus

[ripe obsidian]

Thought I prioritize joining randoms who have proven themselves to me in the past

[formal dew]

This event sucks absolute monkey butt

I ain't doing it again

[ripe obsidian]

I speedran it with friends

<10 minutes per game

[formal dew]

none of my friends play it

my fiance is... Eh

At best lol

[ripe obsidian]

Do it at Uprising?

Is what we did

[jovial juniper]

Take drugs
Huff gas
Kill

[ripe obsidian]

Tell your fiancé to be gooder. >:(

[ruby bloom]

I still like res just for scariers but yeah 100% if going 4 charge just roll 4 dumped res

[stone canyon]

It was fun doing on Heresy with Rebreather Arbiter who just ignored the green clouds, while doing also heresy requiring penances

And running memetier ranged arbi build spamming Executioner Mk3 being top damage every game

[ruby bloom]

The only problem I have with the event is people not using stims

And then like having a fit that there is a horridly hard hold out

[stone canyon]

Noticed the same, people running half dead past green stims, like why?

[ruby bloom]

Like literally

Basically 60% of stim spawns happen

• booster crates

• health stims from tox gas being forced as well

Like PLEASE put on ONE corruption resist and get to 100% and the rest of the mission works out

Like maybe 2 maps have super small spawns

Event is free for arbitrator

Or zealot idk I don’t play other classes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333562706527125527/1448663812998959185/drooling-ivy-by-luloid.gif

[zinc phoenix]

I swapped to 3x corruption resist and decided I’d rather not play in a constant green fog

It’s not really fun

Like sure is it totally doable with a SG psyker? Yes

But it sucks

[ruby bloom]

Hopefully they fix the stim stacking

[zinc phoenix]

What stim stacking?

[ruby bloom]

Saw a rager take a blue and green stim

[zinc phoenix]

Oh whatever, that’s fine as far as I’m concerned

If the players get to be busted op it’s fair that the enemies do too

[ruby bloom]

True

[zinc phoenix]

But playing in a constant green fog is ass

[hollow summit]

Why can ragers even use stims when they're so angry they cannot think

[ruby bloom]

Flame staff makes most the event nil

Ragers need to ruin your day even more than they already do

[zinc phoenix]

Idk drug addicts figure it out and they’re so on drugs they can’t use the toilet

Yes really, I’ve done the cleanup

[hearty wolf]

@hardy citrus

[ruby bloom]

310 </3

They should release psyker 2 and it should only be the smite tree with gaze crit staff build

[hearty wolf]

Find this mans address

and blow him up

respectfully

with c4

[hearty wolf]

why don't you clutch these

[verbal thistle]

@dull scroll

you have a spectator

[jovial juniper]

Heh get yellow Stimmed basic shooters

[verbal thistle]

stimmed?

[jovial juniper]

Yellow stimm gives them like 400% magazine

[verbal thistle]

there is no stim in rotation

[jovial juniper]

Oh is that not the event?

Welp

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, so like, I played a havoc with the boys and it felt like my sliding was not working as it does in auric

[jovial juniper]

Get havoc'd then lol

[ornate hamlet]

Is that something to do with the toughness grace period thingy?

I also started understanding the corruption resist when half of the terrain was green

[dapper herald]

just started the game idk how to play this

[hollow summit]

Play the tutorial

Might have to make a different character

Because they all kill things differently

[verbal thistle]

depenending on how new you are, I'd say if no tide experience I'd start on a different class

psyker juggles a whole class mechanic that messing up with it will kill you

[dapper herald]

what class do you reccomend

[verbal thistle]

zealot

[dapper herald]

mm

[jovial juniper]

Separate dodge and jump from the same key
Dodge a good amount

[verbal thistle]

the best starting clas, melee focus to get you started learning your fundementals + some good crutches to use that every build in the future will have

[lavish lark]

you can do that?? why haven't I done that yet

[ruby bloom]

?

dodge on mouse 4

[dapper herald]

thank you

[ruby bloom]

literally just spam it in hordes

[dapper herald]

what should i bind it to

[hollow summit]

I have dodge on space and jump only when I need it

[zealous wing]

i use left alt for jump

[hardy citrus]

i run beacon on zealot which makes it bearable

it's hellwithout

i dont bothjer with corruption resist tho

[zinc phoenix]

My character is white and cannot jump

[stone canyon]

I moved dodge to left-alt so i can do shift-alt for dodge slides easy

[dapper herald]

i see

[hollow summit]

I dont wanna do shift alt because that triggers like 3 overlays and input language