psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

That's fine. Illisi isn't a bad weapon, really

But it's surpassed by FGS in basically every way except mobility

Which is why it's rarely used anymore

[hardy coral]

i just love how Charged strike directly buffs perfect strike blessing which also triggers malefic momentum on kill.

[warped hollow]

Those are words

[ripe obsidian]

Use whatever weapon you enjoy. So long as you aren't actively trying to make your team lose, it doesn't really matter

[warped hollow]

Ill use the shovel

[zealous wing]

there is a real nice melee hits generate toughness, and crits generate toughness, talents at the top

[hardy coral]

imagine... a pitchfork as a weapon.

[icy breach]

Guess its time to use Ahmed Combat Axe

[ripe obsidian]

This entire paragraph makes me gag.

"By Crack of Bone coupled with the Bloodthirsty blessing lets you easily chain together special attack crits and just mop up enemies. If you're swinging at head height it's effectively endless crit chains that do tons of damage. Special attacks also count as Warp attacks, so you can feed Penetration of The Soul for more rending and Soulstealer for constant Toughness replenishment. You can run Blazing Spirit alongside Bloodthirsty instead of Uncanny Strike to get Soulblaze which can feed Souldrinker, In Fire Reborn, and Wildfire consistently without needing to run an Inferno Staff or Venting Shriek."

[warped hollow]

Being a primarily melee person, they might be worth a point

[zealous wing]

ill point them out give me a moment to load ingame

[icy breach]

Tbh tho; he is right in many things here

Not all but many

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Expenditure and Mettle

[zealous wing]

well yeah but i want to show

[ripe obsidian]

Just because a statement is true doesn't mean it's intelligent

[warped hollow]

I struggle with knowing where things are, don't even know what I'm specced into half the time

I just know the important parts

[icy breach]

Explain.

[shut shell]

Man, scrier melee psyker with electro staff is like playing the game on speed

[zealous wing]

these two

[warped hollow]

They could say all the right things, but the logic might not even be there. Like being the riddler

[warped hollow]

I have the one you're specced into

[zealous wing]

this is the one you're missing

[warped hollow]

The other will be worth a second look

[ripe obsidian]

Picking PotS for Illisi special attacks is the big one. Yes, it works, but it's a terrible pairing, especially with Uncanny already boosting you over 100% ADMs and BCoB reducing your peril to nothing so PotS doesn't even give a bonus.

[buoyant maple]

Running bloodthirsty for blazing spirit so you can spam special atk to build peril and scale with soulblaze talents for melee

Is taking 3 extra laps of mental gymnastics

[warped hollow]

Oh yeah, i should take it and see how it feels. I didn't take it before cause i didn't think i would be so melee hard

[buoyant maple]

On a weapon that not only has uncanny strike which is 5x better than PotS

But u could also genuinely just run superiority + slaughterer

[ripe obsidian]

Also bearing in mind that critical strikes kill enemies before they catch on fire, so you don't even get soulblaze like 75% of the time

[buoyant maple]

And get fucking 77.5% more strength

[warped hollow]

Ew math

[zealous wing]

we are nerds here

[buoyant maple]

In fact you can unironically just run superiority + slaughterer for obscurus with SG melee spec

[zealous wing]

sadly, there also be maths

[buoyant maple]

And do just fine

[warped hollow]

Lol, I'm also a nerd

Just this game is so esoteric in nature that i can't figure stuff out on my own

[zealous wing]

valid

[warped hollow]

Not like path of exile

[zealous wing]

i was lost as hell until i asked for help here

then they kidnapped me from malice to auric mael 😭

[ripe obsidian]

If someone says to me that Bloodthirsty + Blazing Spirit Illisi is their favorite way to play the game, that's their choice and I want them to have fun. If someone says it's better than FGS, I say >:(

[icy breach]

I like that ilici can be build more than 1 time & still be good - a definition of a complex weapon (usually good too)

Same for trauma staff

[warped hollow]

I would say I'm a pretty mediocre player, i can subconciously dodge dogs and muties at this point. Actually making a build is the tough part for me

[ripe obsidian]

No going back now

[warped hollow]

I'm almost there, i play auric infrequently

[zealous wing]

yeah heresy is the lowest i can actually engage in combat, otherwise i just supervise the lil ones

[icy breach]

Ofc he could do better than he stated but hes not wrong in everything he said - uncanny vs PotS tho is oof ngl

[warped hollow]

This is why i struggle with my friends, malice is just too boring for me now

I'm so used to everything that having less of it feels like night and day

[ripe obsidian]

The interactions listed are all correct. They're just largely very poor choices.

[warped hollow]

Not having to dodge a sniper while fighting 6 ragers is really jarring

Especially when malice won't even spawn some enemies

Dont think I've ever seen a reaper on malice

[zealous wing]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, and as you increase in difficulty, you'll keep feeling that way. "Only six crushers instead of twenty? I might as well be taking a nap."

[warped hollow]

Appearently i need to dodge 300 reaper bullets

[zealous wing]

that one took me forever

i kept killing them too fast

[icy breach]

I would say this;
If hes using scriers with unbound he benefits from PotS while freeing a blessing slot - can intentionally get to 100%
he could be using the melee vs everything but carapace which he will be using his ranged/blitz to deal with it
It is not bad imo

[warped hollow]

They die as they appear, can't do it

[ashen edge]

I'd say that some of late 20 and mid 30 have same survival skill as the H40 play but lacks the awareness for team and willingness to coordinate

[ripe obsidian]

Many More Try, allow the bots to die, and sprint back and forth in front of a reaper as Zealot with the dodge on sprint even with 0 stamina talent. Done in 3 minutes

[zealous wing]

pretty much

except

fox is on console

[warped hollow]

Malice is the lowest i can go with my level 30s before I'm dying of boredom. Even on malice, the poor performance of my friends and randos counter the lack of action by letting me do more

[zealous wing]

but, we could do a private match and farm a reaper for you

[ripe obsidian]

Two counterpoints:

• if using By Crack of Bone, you'll drop from 100% peril to 0 in a single swing
• if using Uncanny, you'll get a maximum of 5% damage bonus from PotS

[icy breach]

My condolences

[ripe obsidian]

I'd also have to look at the Illisi special attack ADMs to see how much it benefits

If at all

[acoustic jacinth]

I've personally always ran this same ol mk6 fgs + laspistol build for meleeker

[buoyant maple]

If using uncanny, PotS does nothing while uncanny at max stacks

[icy breach]

Very true; keep forgetting BcoB works everytime

[warped hollow]

It's not half bad... aiming suvks with ranged weapons, but I'm used to it by now

[buoyant maple]

Remember that ADM bonus caps out at 100%

Past 100% does nothing

Game still takes 100% and uses that for damage conversion

[warped hollow]

I wish i could dodge forward

[zealous wing]

slide is the best you got

[warped hollow]

I don't like that i can't dodge forward

[zealous wing]

or, turn sideways and dodge

[wind spruce]

bruh this thread killed me earlier

[ripe obsidian]

You mean 200% total ADM, or?

[warped hollow]

I usually just turf side ways and dodge

[wind spruce]

theres so many takes of all time in there

[icy breach]

If not using vs cara no point in any rending UNLESS its for the staff/gun; remember he may use those and not just his melee; only explanation to use PotS

[ripe obsidian]

Because rending/brittleness over 100% converts to a damage boost at 1/4 of the rending/brittleness, unless they removed that interaction

[wind spruce]

iirc uncanny 120% does more than 100%

but i tested that like 18 months ago

hazy

[ripe obsidian]

From 0%, it would be 100% + 5% damage

From, like, 80% it would be 100% + 25% damage

Again, unless something changed

[wind spruce]

thats my understanding yeah

[warped hollow]

My take on it, just don't do bad pairings

If its good, it's good

[wind spruce]

warp slice, blazing spirit

[warped hollow]

I don't even know what those do

[zealous wing]

they dont work

lol

[warped hollow]

That's probably why i don't know

[zealous wing]

blazing spirit on FGS is a trap

[warped hollow]

Is the normal sword good though?

Cause I've been using that one

[zealous wing]

can be, which mark are you using?

[warped hollow]

Not sure, id have to look

[acoustic jacinth]

Obscurus propaganda rn

[zealous wing]

ye

[wind spruce]

tester propaganda

[zealous wing]

FGS is just the main thing most meleker/gunkers use, because its very very strong

[warped hollow]

I do have the soulblaze on crit with +40% crit on spacial kill on it

[mental rock]

He means past 100% rending. Rending hard caps at 100%

[zealous wing]

ono

[wind spruce]

obscurus go brrrr

[warped hollow]

I'm running a soulblaze builf

[zealous wing]

which staff?

[warped hollow]

Inferno

Then the relative talents

[ripe obsidian]

empowered lights on Illisi appear to have 75% rending ADMs

[zealous wing]

if you want the enemy on fire, why not just hit them with the primary fire of inferno (high stagger) and smack uncanny on your melee?

[icy breach]

Flak or Carapace?
What about Heavy powered?

[warped hollow]

Well, i figured that i won't always be in a position to use my staff, so i can still apply soul blaze with my melee when i need to use it

Its working pretty well

Think i might just go for melee psyker though since these gimmick builds really aren't my playstyle

[ripe obsidian]

Carapace, apologies.

Heavy should be the same

they use the same ADM table

100% flak, 175% unyielding, 100% maniac, 75% carapace

[zealous wing]

does the build you're running use scriers or shriek

[icy breach]

So unless hes utilizing rending from PotS on ranged; its pointless to run it (and spend 2 talents most likely on it)

[ripe obsidian]

Huh. I didn't know.

rending_multiplier = math.min(rending_multiplier, 1)

[warped hollow]

The venting shreik for more soulblaze

Not really enjoying it though

[ripe obsidian]

It's not particularly useful, no.

I think PotS is only worth it on blazing trauma

[icy breach]

Not even purgatus?

(No; we do not abuse uncanny)

[acoustic jacinth]

Well tbh SG inferno is plain weird and bubble is safe but boring

So might just have to get used to it

[warped hollow]

Yeah

I just don't think any of these gmmick builds are for me to begin with

I keep noticing that i just bring out the sword as a fall back anyway

[acoustic jacinth]

If you ever get bored of inferno just start playing blazing voidblast anyways

[warped hollow]

So melee psyker might be it

[acoustic jacinth]

In that case sure

Its good fun

[ripe obsidian]

Nah. The bonus to carapace isn't enough to be meaningful, and everything else is already 150% or higher ADMs

Going from 50 damage per tick to 150 on a crusher means nothing imo

But Trauma RMB is 80% ADM on flak and carapace

[ripe obsidian]

It's a lot of confidently incorrect people

[warped hollow]

I can do that to

Cleave is how many things your weapon can hit before it stops

[fading shoal]

What blessings do you have for your FGS?

[icy breach]

What if you combine PotS & Penetrating Flames blessing?

[quartz barn]

Please dont use pen flames

[icy breach]

Why not

[acoustic jacinth]

Shred and unstable power. I would not really recommend anything else, as crits synergyze well with psyker to begin with, and horde clear is as easy as launching the ocasional special

[warped hollow]

I use pen flame

[quartz barn]

Tank your dmg for no reason

[acoustic jacinth]

I personally use blaze away + warp nexus and just spam uncanny for carapace

[warped hollow]

I just wing it

[acoustic jacinth]

[quartz barn]

On a serious note, people who run weapons meant for armor pen already do good enough on their own

Better to just run rending trauma if you want to play anti armor

[ripe obsidian]

It's still only helping you against crushers, and it's going to be a maximum of 50% ADM as opposed to the base 10%. More likely you'll be at 40-45%. While this is up to a 5x increase in damage, the per-tick damage is low enough that even 250 or 300 damage per tick would take like 35 ticks to kill a crusher

So close to 30 seconds

Note that the highest I have gotten Soulblaze with Uncanny and Superiority is ~720 damage per tick on crushers

[icy breach]

Helps the team tho too; faster kill on carapace on a weapon with no CC is valuable

[radiant frigate]

very mildly

[ripe obsidian]

This is why I say penetrating flames is more for your team than yourself

[quartz barn]

Purg has suppression

[icy breach]

Ye but thats abusing uncanny and i don’t do that dogshit

[warped hollow]

Man i open my images for memes for this situation and forgot i have 3000 fox images

[icy breach]

Suppression works only on some

[warped hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cities-funny-memes-goofy-gif-27660239

[quartz barn]

True but its still big

[ripe obsidian]

It's still a point of reference

[quartz barn]

Allows you to facetank reapers more easily

[radiant frigate]

i mean you could also just have said

[warped hollow]

I use uncanny cause everyone else does

[ripe obsidian]

Pen flames also results in slower stacking of Soulblaze and fewer bonuses from other crit talents

[warped hollow]

🤓 works to

[radiant frigate]

no no you should be taking notes

[warped hollow]

Oh i am

[ripe obsidian]

If you really want to burn Crushers with blue fire, PotS + pen flames is the only way to do it without uncanny, but it's chip damage at best. And again, this is only benefiting you against crushers, no other enemy type

[warped hollow]

Even if i don't fully understand yet

[icy breach]

I dunno; 10% brittle already accelerates DoT dmg by alot especially on bleed - nothing to ‚mildly’ about imo

[ripe obsidian]

Bleed has really bad ADMs

Soulblaze has OP ADMs

[radiant frigate]

only large-scale bleed application is vet frags

[icy breach]

And thats what purg struggles with so its good to do better vs that imo

[warped hollow]

Brittle effrcts DoT?

Time to load up hive scum

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[icy breach]

Ticks faster tho + has best adm vs cara outside tox which needs a nerf

Bleed is the best DoT vs cara outside tox

[obtuse dome]

I allways have pen flame on purg

[ripe obsidian]

25% is still bad. D:

[obtuse dome]

Idk i thought that was what u pick

[warped hollow]

Your mom was bad when i pen flamed her last night

[radiant frigate]

25% is better when it's 65% (thanks ogryn class)

[obtuse dome]

https://tenor.com/view/toddler-tantrums-crying-gif-9186040

[ripe obsidian]

The options are to do better against everything not a crusher or do better versus crushers. It's preference in the end, but I think using non-Soulblaze tools for crushers is the better approach

[icy breach]

Try bleed & 10% brittle; dmg skyrockets due to that so imagine you have shredder vet and you with pen flames

[radiant frigate]

sibling that's a weird thing to say

[radiant frigate]

counterpoint: rending trauma

or uncanny vet

[warped hollow]

Counterpoint: grenade vet

[icy breach]

That too; but pen flames can do it too albeit less brittle fir more DoT aplication

[warped hollow]

Idk, i only ever run vet with recon las, VoC, and weapon spec

[radiant frigate]

then rending blaze trauma!

[warped hollow]

What's rending do again?

[obtuse dome]

Thats a weird combo.

[radiant frigate]

so, melee vet?

[icy breach]

Everything dies fast as it is while crushers just pin you & pester you; i think being able to do better vs them on a weapon that already melts everything else is a good strat + your team gets benefit from brittle

[warped hollow]

No, i just like recon las

[obtuse dome]

Why weapon spec with recon las?

[warped hollow]

Why not

[icy breach]

Unfortunately not soo good… better to go full rending with flurry & creeping flames + perilous

[obtuse dome]

Cause mmf better for that imo

If u only shoot why weapon spec?

[radiant frigate]

i do it too but it's to buff up my melee because reconlas is a?side dish

[warped hollow]

Well i am using duelling sword for bossing

[obtuse dome]

Ye but he dont melee

[obtuse dome]

I mean u do u

But i think mmf would do u better

[warped hollow]

Maybe

[radiant frigate]

so you're running 1. a single target melee and 2. a single target ranged?

odd choice

[warped hollow]

Its fun

And surprisingly good

[ripe obsidian]

Again, it's preference. I prefer to stack Soulblaze faster and get all my crit boosts going from Nexus. Other folks prefer to do better versus crushers and help their team's ADMs. If you look at the pseudo-random crit chance calculator, 17.5% to 37.5% does make a major difference

[radiant frigate]

besides, doesn't inferno have crit strings too?

[warped hollow]

Recon las is really good for mobbing, and the dueling sword handles my bossing. Recon las with its deep ammo and fire rate makes a phenomenal thing killer, just aim head level

I think i have headhunter on it

[ripe obsidian]

I am honestly unsure. I can check the code later. Crit strings are weird

17.5% pseudo-random crit:

Crit chance starts at 4.09% and increases by 4.09% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±2.9 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 24.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 5th attack.

37.5%:

Crit chance starts at 17.5% and increases by 17.5% until a crit happens.
Standard deviation is ±1.2 attacks.
The maximum number of attacks before a crit occurs is 5.
It is most likely to get a crit on the 2nd attack.

Source:
https://observablehq.com/@manuelblanc/pseudo-random-distribution

[radiant frigate]

dumdum infernus is peak

reconlas has pretty bad crit damage by itself

[deft stump]

If it's like malice/heresy, it works. I do that for ranged kills weeklies and just shoot everything lul.

[warped hollow]

I might have those actually. I just changed everything today since it was the first time on vet in months

Dont remember the lot of it

[zealous wing]

for hordes i suggest not magdumping

[deft stump]

Headhunter is only for brown mark. Which mark does he use?

[ripe obsidian]

You can't stop me

[warped hollow]

You can afford the magdump on vet with recon las

You get refunded ammo on so many cases

And it has like... 1100 ammo in reserves with the right talents

If you run out your just a bad shot

[icy breach]

I like your valid point; i like to help my team alot
Me like these takes & interractions

[warped hollow]

Why do you crouch before doing your waves?

[icy breach]

Cause hes taking a dump on mobility

[deft stump]

If you are using the XII, headhunter is a nogo.

[zealous wing]

idk just habit lol

[warped hollow]

I don't know which one I'm using, i just know it's really hard to run out off ammo

[zealous wing]

it helps make sure i hit things even if i get staggered and my aim gets shifted

[warped hollow]

Ah, fair

[icy breach]

Nah girl; EXACLY Headhunter is good for it; you spam more & spread DoT more

And proc ST more = free ammo

[warped hollow]

Melee spyker is fun, i would run it if i didn't feel like leveling more weapons atm

[deft stump]

Dum dum mid range though.

So your burns BURN.

[zealous wing]

do you have ordo and plasteel?

[icy breach]

Both good; both valid; i prefer HH

[acoustic jacinth]

Wouldn't you be doing more with infernus + dum dum? Vet innately has good crit to begin with, last i remember when tests were ran with or without headhunter the difference in crit didnt justify the loss of dps 🤔

[deft stump]

Infernus is just core for the two faster marks.

[warped hollow]

I have both on as it turns out. Headhunter saves bullets and creates damage when I'm trying to headtap.

I use recon las for nearly everything

[deft stump]

If you are running HH and Dum Dum... it better be on the brown mark.

There is literally no reason not to have infernus on the blue one.

[warped hollow]

I don't know which mark i have

I just know that it works

[deft stump]

How fast it shoots?

[warped hollow]

Fast

[deft stump]

Bullet hose fast, fast, or actual delay but still fast?

[warped hollow]

Idk

I only ever used the one

[zealous wing]

this fast?

[warped hollow]

Yes

[zealous wing]

12

[warped hollow]

Oh brown mark

[zealous wing]

blue

[warped hollow]

12 is brown

[zealous wing]

14 is brown

[icy breach]

They both are equal tbh in terms of dmg; HH provides better single target dmg & ammo efficiency due to more efficient crits while DD offers better raw dmg & DoT dmg
Its really up to preference cause both are goat
I prefer to be more efficient

[warped hollow]

Idk mine is red

[warped hollow]

Cause of the skin

[zealous wing]

mine is black

[deft stump]

Skinless?

[warped hollow]

No

Like i said first time in months and I'm not on the game so i don't even know

[deft stump]

Oh.

[deft stump]

But papa, what I hear is HH DD on XII.

[icy breach]

You silly girl; Infernus is always there
DD or HH is a choice

[deft stump]

No read what he said, he said he runs both DD and HH on XII.

[fading shoal]

Any secondary weapons to use other than the autoguns for Scrier's Gaze + Disrupt Destiny build?

I am stuck with Inferno staff because of familiarity

[weary idol]

bistol since puncture can make assail and fgs waves apply bleed

[marble crater]

Reconlas, can also do primary fire Elektro if you feel spicy

[weary idol]

revolver for big damage and fuck all ammo

laspistol for laspistol

shredder autopistol for autogun but inaccurate and faster (also better blessings)

[hearty wolf]

I was thinking about it and the reason I like darktide is because it isn't scripted

Or as scripted anyway

I really don't like Fromsoft games and find them too easy since it's pattern recognition

[deft stump]

It's just being bs'd by 3 trappers and 3 dogs on malice trying to slack off.

[hearty wolf]

Should have brought an RPG

[deft stump]

Don't think it changes it.

[weary idol]

or anomalous poxburster behaviour

[fading shoal]

What are the steps to make bleed apply to other attacks?

[weary idol]

switch to bistol

[deft stump]

You mean, it leaps at me and suddenly 90° to a person next so I can't push it and everyone is now blind, dead or down.

[weary idol]

if you have bistol out when fgs wave or assail hits an enemy they'll apply puncture bleed

[deft stump]

Because FS quality code.

[weary idol]

god knows why it's only bistol

why didn't they just code its blessings the same way they're coded on the other bolt weapons

[deft stump]

Might work on bolter, but psyker can't use it.

[mental rock]

The real question is why does lethal prox buff shit even when it's not equipped

And why does it work on literally all explosions

[deft stump]

Likely just a lazy +radius to explosions since only 1 class even has on demand booms.

When it first released.

And it wasn't even really that busted with how mid the gun is.

Heck, people even consider the bistol bad nowadays.

Without that interaction, there's no reason whatsoever to take it.

[wind spruce]

wha?

bistol is an excellent special sniper

and great stagger on the new version

[deft stump]

Bistol, it's low tier for vets, .

Okay on Arby if running dogless impact 'nades.

Funni on scum for way too massive Boom Bringers, but needler is still better for sniping.

At least from my own messing around.

[wind spruce]

and great on scum for stagger and special sniping

cant be comparing it to needler

[deft stump]

If you running pewpew, you are better off vraks or dual auto.

[wind spruce]

everything looks bad if you make that comparison

[deft stump]

But it is the choice it's fighting against.

What does it have compared to other guns of the same class.

[wind spruce]

if youre just looking for the best pick, sure

[deft stump]

Assuming they fix it.

[wind spruce]

but if you always rate things relative to S+ tier weapons youre making mistake

[potent echo]

I feel like bistol still loses to cowboy in most situations

That crazy cleave is almost everything, handcannon also has better carapace damage

[deft stump]

Dual pistols?

[wind spruce]

worse sniping, better stagger

[potent echo]

Revolver

[deft stump]

Oh, revolver.

[acoustic jacinth]

I use bistol for chud nuke explosion frag build on veteran, farming DoT with uncanny and serrated blade
Thats bout it

[potent echo]

I think bistol bleed still works on assail

[deft stump]

No point if fixed though.

[potent echo]

Don't think they ever fixed it

[deft stump]

That's what I mean.

[acoustic jacinth]

This game runs off of its continuous inconsistencies

They are

"Intended"

[deft stump]

Like, why take that mid at best gun if it lacks the one thing that makes it slightly decent on vet?

And if you ask Path, he will tell you bistol is low tier currently.

Mid only because lethal.

[potent echo]

"intended" I still remember when that one forum guy kept bitching about nerfed close distance being a bug until they relented

[acoustic jacinth]

For this specific use i think its fine. I use focus target

Took me a moment lmao

[deft stump]

Is that some blessing? Cos I don't think it's a talent node for vet.

[acoustic jacinth]

Bistol dont feel bad w this

I one shot everything and ogryns like reapers get 2 shot on weakspot

[deft stump]

I mean, if it's fun and not absolutely broken, not really too big of an issue.

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh i agree

Not saying that in a

Bad manner or anything

Sm2 is this but the inconsistencies fuck you over instead of helping out

[deft stump]

Honestly, if they are fixing blessings, shattering impact on the rumbler is worse.

[potent echo]

It was on a bunch of stuff, mainly dumdum from what I used

[zealous wing]

oh reminds me

[deft stump]

Oh, the below 12m thing.

[potent echo]

Close distance was 15m, thn changed to 8m(?), now back to 15m

[zealous wing]

karien you say bistol affects suipsyker boom

?

[deft stump]

The boom size, if I'm right.

Very hard to judge for reasons.

Unlike with 'nades and rockets.

[zealous wing]

14 meter radius with bistol with lethal, not equipped though because, cant swap to equip it while exploding

14meter radius without bistol at all

[deft stump]

To be fair, I think 15m is okay for this game. Long shot is far more useless though.

[deft stump]

Guess it's not explosion?

[zealous wing]

spawn a line of enemies, stand in center, mark where standing, walk to edge of catasrophy

[deft stump]

Maybe warp.

[deft stump]

Abit hard without mods.

I usually just see what gets hit aiming at the bird thing on the floor.

Infront of the dog.

Resetting inbetween.

[zealous wing]

but no, bistol does not affect suipsyker if its not actively held when go boom, and, cant test if it affects warp explosion because, cannot hold it and overload at the same time

[deft stump]

I guess it might be fixed for it or just not explosion like dog boom.

[zealous wing]

i can confirm tho its a warp attack

[deft stump]

I don't read code. All I really sell bistol is for puncture on assail/fgs.

[zealous wing]

err, not a warp attack

the 3 stack is assail

[wooden sand]

I read code

[zealous wing]

so, while +warp damage talents wont work, you could give it a +25% damage boost via MM

[deft stump]

Then FS strikes again?

[zealous wing]

ye

[deft stump]

Because I know it still works on 'nades and BB.

At least when I last messed with it in mortis.

[zealous wing]

well, its not its own class of explosion, so if you COULD hold the bistol while overloading, it would theoretically work

but, the overload is instant, you cant swap

and, theres no way to overload when holding it already

[deft stump]

Thing is, isn't 'nades and BB it's own thing as well?

And it works on grenades with melee out on vet.

[zealous wing]

but it works on those same way uncanny stacking works

you're holding the weapon, no?

oh

hmm

[deft stump]

If it works like that, only impact should be working since it's like throwing knoifes.

Especially on controller when swapping out from 'nades usually puts you back on melee and a pain to swap.

[zealous wing]

oh the bistol also has bleed btw and that didnt apply either

idk if thats relevant but its info

[deft stump]

I wouldn't expect it to unless they karked it like release dog boom.

[zealous wing]

as for testing with BB, do you mean brain burst?

or a different BB

[deft stump]

Boom Bringer.

Rawket Lawnchair.

You could properly test it.

It seemed bigger in the runs with my bistol.

[zealous wing]

with boombringer, you swap back to your weapon when its done, same with vet, so yeah ill test both, making sure its putting me on melee

[deft stump]

Blinders as well.

I am only certain not working on chems

[zealous wing]

ill start with scum testing then

need to make a bistol first lmao

[deft stump]

I already had one, just harder to be sure. Can only go by feel so... Shrugs. Just feels like the radius is bigger on both than when I usually have needler.

I do run lethal and Run&Gun, but puncture on rocket might be a curiousity.

[zealous wing]

10m rocket with bistol in pocket, same when default to melee and bistol after launch
i hit him... i had too much cleave i think lmfao
7.5m without bistol at all

so it does work on hivescum

[deft stump]

Ah. So the feel was right.

[zealous wing]

yeah

[deft stump]

Blinders?

[zealous wing]

next up

5m with no bistol
6m with bistol held, applied bleed
6m with bistol not held, no bleed

[deft stump]

Wait, the thing applies bleed???

[weary idol]

Nowadays?

That thing has been mid since forever

[deft stump]

On vet specifically.

It's only mid cos lethal prox.

Though can't test bleed for rawket unless boss.

Since everything hit basically dies.

Unless you hit a bulwark right in the shield or something.

[deft stump]

So the lethal prix part of the feel does work. So yeah, got those right then. Still really only funny on BB imo. Needler is still generally better.

[radiant frigate]

i have always considered it to be Worse Zarona

[zealous wing]

even boss, hard to do

flight time is quick, swap back time slow

[deft stump]

True. Need a massive distance for it.

[zealous wing]

even across the arena its too slow back to bistol

[deft stump]

Blinders is a surprise though.

[zealous wing]

64 meters

[deft stump]

The bleed thing.

[zealous wing]

not really

they are the same as zealot knives

[deft stump]

Feels Fatsharkish.

[zealous wing]

you can throw the knives even while booking

[deft stump]

WUT.

[zealous wing]

YOU DIDNT KNOW!?

[radiant frigate]

zealot knives are funniest with manstopper

[deft stump]

I don't use knoives.

[zealous wing]

fair

but yeah

[radiant frigate]

i didn't know this

[zealous wing]

you can throw knives while booking

[radiant frigate]

mostly because i do not book

[deft stump]

It's hard to use barring quickdraw flamer.

[zealous wing]

i tried it in havoc and it worked and i was happy because i wasnt trappered

[burnt gazelle]

👀

[deft stump]

Or spamming 5 into a trapper because nobody notices my ping and flamer pullout useless against trapper so panic spam.

Because aiming it is also hard.

[acoustic jacinth]

Im a bit salty about flamer because it keeps pushing peope to not learn thammer xd

[deft stump]

I have 300 ping on avg on a good day.

[acoustic jacinth]

It's a good choice don't get me wrong

And one that i believe

Every good thammer build should have

[deft stump]

Slow weapons is a very bad idea.

[acoustic jacinth]

But

That is not to incentivize forgetting your weapon does stuff too

I get your case fs

[deft stump]

I'm playing D&D with every swing.

[acoustic jacinth]

Lol

[deft stump]

Roll to hit.

[acoustic jacinth]

Me when i play with my northern US friend

[deft stump]

Is why I prefer faster weapons and only run Rashad on Scum.

Because that's already on the slower end without atk speed buffs.

[acoustic jacinth]

I'm surprised you haven't found a consistent group in your region all this time

Even i've found some italians, greeks, bulgarians, etc...

[deft stump]

Because when I play, it's 3 bots and me.

Public lobby.

[acoustic jacinth]

Country?

[deft stump]

APAC Central.

[burnt gazelle]

wow

[deft stump]

But I play at 2 am to like 6 am.

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh i see

That makes sense, it's an unfortunate mix

Surprising game time though, hope you sleep enough

[deft stump]

So it's 3 ping solo.

Or 300+ ping with ppl.

Would be 280 if US West works.

Should test it again tbh.

[acoustic jacinth]

Fair

[deft stump]

Funniest thing is, I can still be okay with that ping, just ragers and firebombs are instant death.

Since the lag usually means I eat too many hits in a single tick.

[plucky flax]

Real gamer hours

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah i can imagine. Dreg ragers must be a nightmare

[deft stump]

Fire barrels are even worse.

If I'm not at the edge already, basically dead.

[acoustic jacinth]

This is like, oddly specific
If you told me smth like 9pm to 4am sure avg brainrotted gamer
But 2 to 6 is some real shit

[deft stump]

It's 11pm to 6 am tbh.

[plucky flax]

Go home from work, deal with house chores, game til morning then go to work

[deft stump]

Is why Chaos, 1 am is fine if you are up to carry.

[acoustic jacinth]

I wake up at 6 so thisd be quite the strat

-2 minutes of sleep

[plucky flax]

Nah i go to bed at 9pm im old man

[deft stump]

My 1 am.

Is your 5pm or so.

[deft stump]

Bonus? Drinking caffeine puts me to sleep.

I ran out of 20 cent celcius so no more regulated sleep.

I just pass out when body says so.

And mom hates coffee+more ex than the energy drink when it was in the value shop.

And tea... is just... do you want to feel tired but not drop?

[plucky flax]

Also I don't carry you do

[acoustic jacinth]

Caffeine works for me but it takes long to kick in

Bout 2 hours

[deft stump]

15 mins on 200 mg.

Blep.

[deft stump]

You mean UnsanctionedPsyker.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Unless you mean Syllo?

But he's on holiday atm.

[hardy citrus]

Hmmm

[deft stump]

No no, UnsanctionedPsyker carries. Chaos just runs the Youtube channel, I think.

[hardy citrus]

Lmao

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Wasn't that how it is?

[plucky flax]

No it's just 2 people with same gamertag.

[deft stump]

But UnsanctionedPsyker does carry games.

[plucky flax]

I steal that name too.

Peak dt psyker name.

[deft stump]

Uh huh.

[jovial juniper]

Never saw those two people in the same trenchcoat

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[urban fractal]

fuck sakes the lightening force staff feels bad to use

[acoustic jacinth]

EK's a little difficult to master but it pays off well

[urban fractal]

monkey stick with Voidblast

[acoustic jacinth]

Aim up a little upwards on hordes to land your m2 on an elite/special amongst chaff
Make sure your build has some form of mixed/trash clear

Whether that be shriek or scrier's with assail

Though EK works quite well with shriek

[urban fractal]

monkey in process of leveling up monkey psyker

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh you're new to psyker. Use assail and later on shriek as your primary sources of damage, low level psyker is a slog

[urban fractal]

Less new more rusty

[acoustic jacinth]

👍

[hardy citrus]

i mewan if ur level 11 it's still sort of the same thing

[urban fractal]

Shriek is good for saving monkey head from going boom at least

[jovial juniper]

Low level stave and high level stave are just day and night

[deft stump]

Assail shriek best way though.

Just throw shards till WHOOPS and vent.

[urban fractal]

Even current shriek reduce monkey peril by 10% monkey bananas

[acoustic jacinth]

Shriek provides 6 stacks of soulblaze DoT at 85% peril with its subnode which is what you are interested in besides that. Pop shriek at high peril, spam assail, profit

This will be your playstyle up til a considerable level

[urban fractal]

Pop shriek at high monkey peril use shards monkey profit understood

[deft stump]

Min is high 20s imo.

[hardy citrus]

i just used a normal infernus build and ran assail on it instead

[deft stump]

I ran an even more messed up version of the beekeeper build.

[urban fractal]

Monkey understand

[deft stump]

And +9 stam.

[acoustic jacinth]

Imagine psyker with soulblaze builds (shriek for example) as a reaction chain
With the right talents (see perilous combustion and wildfire), it's a domino effect. All it requires you to do is to keep killing. You might hear "backline" thrown around but in reality psyker is an offensive monster

[stable silo]

does malefic momemtun (warp dmg + on non warp kill) effect wildfire dots?

[zealous wing]

should

but usually theres no soulblaze when malefic momentum is used (melee/gun psyker)

but it is a warp kill

[stable silo]

ha im trying to make a force greatsword melee focused build, i found one in the pins but it lacks a keystone and seems pretty top heavy

[zealous wing]

are you following a direct build or a template?

[stable silo]

direct build from the pins in that bonanza thing

im looking at it as a guideline mostly ha i gota trim it

[zealous wing]

i ask because yeah, that is very top heavy, and melee psyker would ideally use assail and have no fire sources

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker
here's mine, its also in the new psyker section

mine can be tweaked to desires, but you can take a peek or copy it fully

[stable silo]

il give it a try, gota build the firesword meme build at some point though

[zealous wing]

lol

least you know its a meme

[stable silo]

got a sick warp sword for it look at that horrible warp resist i love it

[zealous wing]

very tasty

minus the blazing spirit, but, tasty

my FGS is WR29

50.6 peril, right at perfection

[stable silo]

29 is the sweet spot?

[zealous wing]

nah it could go lower

but it'd always be two strokes to get to 100 regardless

i know six, and a lot of others, want a 0WR/80 everything else

below 29 is just trophy territory

[stable silo]

ah i see so the 24-29 doesnt make a diff really

[zealous wing]

not really but its still cool

[hardy citrus]

is that even possible?

[zealous wing]

not sure. maybe not a perfect spread, but you could definitely get close if the right stats were picked

[hardy citrus]

idk, i dont know if this is worth it vs just having a proper spread

unless it's a trophy piece I guess

[zealous wing]

i prefer my pure 76ers on psykermain3

but a 0 warp res 50+ defences 80 everything else would be quite functional

[hardy citrus]

i mean yeah easily

but if you wanted a 0 you wouldnt be able to empower no?

so you'd be stuck with base rolls

[zealous wing]

correct, hence the 50+ on defence

wouldnt lose much at that

[hardy citrus]

rolling 80 in 3 stats would notr be easy tho

[zealous wing]

no its very expensive

its the only ordo dump we've got tho

[hardy citrus]

i finally got my plasma gun just now, it's 70/70 but i dont think i care more than that

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/diego-awkward-puppets-nxk-slot-machine-casino-gif-26842542

[barren arrow]

I am rather fond of setting a crowd on fire, switching to melee, shrieking, hitting things with sword, and then everything in the horde dies after the sword has stacks of superiority & uncanny strike

[ripe obsidian]

I do my best to make good points

[barren arrow]

It is quite silly

[zealous wing]

i am rather fond of

[barren arrow]

warpshock slash my beloved

warpshock slash is probably the best trash clear in the game

[zealous wing]

this clip was made before i learned it doesnt even need 2 charges to do it

[barren arrow]

real

[buoyant maple]

This is regardless of your base ADM: the total ADM bonus cannot exceed 100%

[kind ivy]

is the inferno staff worth leveling up and taking to the higher difficult missions? any other recommendations on a secondary?

[zealous wing]

deimos force sword

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, I have learnèd this thing. Rending is math.min'd to 1 if it goes over

So why the fuck is uncanny 120%

[zealous wing]

and, yes with the right perks, blessings, and talents, inferno is stronger the higher the difficulty

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno is inarguably the strongest staff at high difficulties

[zealous wing]

note though inferno feels underwhelming in lower difficulties and with talents like bubble or blessings like pen flames

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[barren arrow]

How many soulblaze ticks does inferno shoot out at 100% charge?

[ripe obsidian]

No idea. A bunch.

[kind ivy]

damn i use bubble and that would make sense for how it feels lol, what talents should i focus beside bubble?

[zealous wing]

usually you only wanna charge it to about 45% or lower anyway

[zealous wing]

shriek with creeping flames

[kind ivy]

and what about blessings for the inferno staff aswell?

[barren arrow]

50% to get the full damage from blaze away no?

Or do soulblaze ticks not get affected by blaze away

[zealous wing]

nexus, blaze away, then flak and crit chance or flak and unyielding

[ripe obsidian]

45% or lower charge keeps Blaze Away stacked

[barren arrow]

mm

[ripe obsidian]

Blaze Away does affect the blue fire

[barren arrow]

Do the damage modifiers affect the soulblaze ticks?

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[barren arrow]

And is that specific to what weapon you have equipped, or to what applied it?

[ripe obsidian]

The former. Because ???

[zealous wing]

what you hold

[ripe obsidian]

It's very abusable

[barren arrow]

yuh

[hearty wolf]

Inferno would be a lot more damage if it was direct damage

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno does basically no direct damage

[hearty wolf]

Blessing:
"Torrent - the more soulblaze on the target, more damage"

[barren arrow]

don't worry, rotten armor is still overwhelming if you don't have any other cc or routes lul

[hearty wolf]

So turn soulblaze stacks into damage amp stacks

[zealous wing]

reminds me of the person who said toxin doesnt work like soulblaze does, and doesnt take on the dmg boost of what you're holding, and how it was spread for DAYS lol

[hearty wolf]

That would be impressive honestly

Because that means they would have a bug that means Toxin isn't a DoT nor direct application of damage

[ripe obsidian]

Scum has at least 2 nodes that say "ranged damage" but actually mean "damage while holding a gun"

[hearty wolf]

That shit is stupid

Honestly Devs naming things like shit is a lot of the reason why people began playing so meta

[kind ivy]

sweet, i currently use assail, should i stick with that or swap to smite? im not the biggest fan of brain rupture

for higher levels

[zealous wing]

you'd want BB, with kinetic flayer

smite is a never use, tbh

[kind ivy]

might just be sleeping on it, ill give it a try.

[ripe obsidian]

Kinetic Flayer is 90% of the reason to use BB

[kind ivy]

BB?

[barren arrow]

brain burst

[ripe obsidian]

Brain Burst

[barren arrow]

is the other 10% gunners and snipers across the map lol

[ripe obsidian]

Brain Brupture

[ripe obsidian]

That allies won't target, yes

[kind ivy]

do i also need knietic resonace with BB?

[hearty wolf]

Oh question. In that game we played, how often did you manual BB?

[ripe obsidian]

On Voidblast? Maybe twice?

I can't recall

I have to use it more on Inferno. Voidblast and EK have LMB for semi-distant targets

[ripe obsidian]

You don't need it, no

Kinetic Resonance is a perfectly fine node, but not commonly used. Even with KR, there are rarely situations where using BB is better than using your staff.

Those situations being, like, a sniper bothering you from too far away to hit with Inferno

There are better uses of your points

[barren arrow]

what about those areas of the map where you have almost no cover and there's 5 morbillion gunners and your teammates for whatever reason decide they want to sit and hide and not shoot them

[ripe obsidian]

If you can't find an angle to get close enough to shriek, popping in and out of cover with BB is sometimes the other option

Shriek stagger plus gambling with EE and LMB stagger is usually the best way to handle cowardly teammates

There are a couple maps where I tentatively recommend Bubble over Shriek. Most notably Silo Cluster and Magistrati Oubliette. Maybe Ascension Riser as well, but that map is just the worst in the game

For Magistrati, it's 100% for the big open space before the mid event

And for Silo it's the opening section and the end event

Shriek does work fine in both, but Bubble can help less confident teams survive the fire lines

[kind ivy]

gotchu that makes alot of sense, seems ive been kind of doing the opposite but getting better. i use shred and unstable power on my forge greatsword. are those good blessings?

[ripe obsidian]

Those are optimal

[kind ivy]

ive mainly used my playstyle based around my bubble, seems i could be doing more now tho

[ripe obsidian]

Do what works for you. Psyker is very strong and has a pretty versatile tree. Other than a few trap nodes like Channeled Force, there aren't a lot of truly bad choices

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is strong. It's the meta for a reason

I find Shriek to be stronger. And SG is the best steroid in the game.

[zealous wing]

@long saddle lol had to figure out who you were, still weird seeing people from here in the wild

[long saddle]

hehe

I knew it was you from the rebreather before I read your name

[kind ivy]

SG? sorry 😆

[zealous wing]

cookie is very new to the game

LMFAO

by my rebreather

[ripe obsidian]

Scrier's Gaze

[ripe obsidian]

Cookie?

[zealous wing]

one of narwhals friends

in another discord

he just unlocked auric :D

lmao next game, what a lineup

poor cookie

[ripe obsidian]

Pox, broken

[golden moon]

whats a good psyker build? i see people using like flames and lightning and i dont know which one does that, or can i just use that all at the same time

[ripe obsidian]

I have many a build in the pinned guide

Almost all of them are good

[golden moon]

wheres that

[zealous wing]

https://tenor.com/view/check-pin-discord-check-pin-gif-1835998338632614419

[golden moon]

i see

[trail orbit]

Mortis trials does not have enough content for psyker. Imagine a psyker indulgance that allowed you to go to 300% peril. Or staff indulgances or making the blitz indulgance majorises more common like the grenade ones the other classes get and giving more to psyker because all of the others don’t work for psyker.

[crude cape]

if you had a new friend (one who is obssessed with always playing 'the meta' hes a meta slave. He's also new so wants to play 'the strongest' until hes better, i won't convince him otherwise) asking you what the META PSYKER BUILD is...is this pretty close?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0e41bc8-e654-4ef2-9c61-6ed40f392793

what am i missing?

[plucky flax]

I can game @hearty wolf

[ivory monolith]

Any flame staff is meta? I think

[crude cape]

ya, just wondering if my overall build is correct?

thats how ive been running it, anyway

[wraith sphinx]

Check le pins

[ivory monolith]

Me personally have no idea cuz im voidblast staff main

[zealous wing]

deimos force sword with uncanny, shriek with creeping flames, not bubble, no empyric resolve, put it on quietude instead

some people say bubble inferno is meta. it is not.

[crude cape]

pins arent super helpful bc they're variable builds, im asking for a friend who wants to know for sure hes running "the meta h40 build" to get into groups. I gave him my build above, i just wanted to make sure nothign was off with it

[plucky flax]

Give him the inferno builds.

Probably good enough for h40.

[ivory monolith]

And people who are know game like" okay u using voidblast staff, its okay. but dont u wanna run REAL one"

[crude cape]

i agree i think shriek is better in a good team who doesnt need bubble, and i explained to him this variable. But when climbing teams will probably want bubble.
I find emperic resolve necessary for most psykers, if you're really good you can dump it, but hes learning. Im thinking i should tell him to run it, ya?

[zealous wing]

if you want bubble, inferno will struggle

[ivory monolith]

Nah im good

[crude cape]

he doesnt want 'good enough' hes a meta slave and wants to be assured hes running 'the meta' lol

[plucky flax]

Slave

[zealous wing]

ER is only needed for trauma builds

you dont want to cut out one toughness regen talent, and replace it with something giving you even less toughness back

and, on the curios, 3x ability cdr

revive speed is nice but not necessarily meta

[wraith sphinx]

SLAVE TO THE CORPSE META GOD!!!

[zealous wing]

though, if he wants into rando havoc groups, many of them think bubble inferno is good, but in h40? hah

if he's new to the game, bubble on any stave will kill him

the people who demand bubble are the ones who are scared to play the difficulty they're on, 95% of the time

[mighty shuttle]

Has anyone here played meleesyker where there was rotten armor modifier and decided to pick up smite instead of assail so there's a backup 'CC' or do you find that throws off your tempo a lot.

[zealous wing]

i know that i would not do so

i'd let the inferno psyker deal with them

or, be the inferno psyker

[mighty shuttle]

There's just few situations I've seen in the past where party doesn't have actual meaningful CC and I'm almost exclusively meleepsyker when on it, so been considering swapping just so that we have at least one thing if shit hits the fan but otherwise just rely on good positioning/map awareness to backtrack while dealing with rotten armor train.

[zealous wing]

if you take smite you lose a huge part of your toolkit

malefic momentum, being one, that will struggle, meaning that +25% dmg is lost

[mighty shuttle]

Yeah maleific momentum was the main concern, made me consider picking up EK staff to try to maintain it if I lose assail.

Instead of dragging out a bolt pistol as secondary

[zealous wing]

that wont help tons

youd lose mobility then

and, its a time waste to switch

[mighty shuttle]

Makes sense!

Might be better to keep assail and just do something like trauma staff if I desperately want some form of CC, but it's not an incredible problem, just a build experimenting/theorycrafting

[zealous wing]

if your team goes into rot armour with no ability to deal with 20 crusher and 40 maulers/ragers, thats on you lol

[mighty shuttle]

It's less of "No ability" and it's more of, "We can absolutely kill them, but we don't have a book or something notable that can dramatically change the flow of the encounter if shit hits the fan.

So it's a bit of "If everyone does well, it's not a problem, but if someone made a mistake and if it cascades, having a key ability to help mitigate that," can be nice

[crude cape]

ok, exactly what i told him.
Bubble build is the 'meta' when you're climbing and applying to randos.
Shriek pure dps is the 'meta' when you're h40 and playing with experienced h40 peopel who dont need bubble to stay alive

[zealous wing]

well, not just h40

but yeah

how new is he

because inferno will feel like ass in normal auric and below

[crude cape]

pretty new, a pvp gamer not his typical game but is bored of arc raiders and trying the game. He just hit 30 and is putting builds together. Im trying to teach him fundementals but he wants to just yolo the best builds and 'make sure im playing meta' its just his mindset and how he approaches games, i tried to tell him it won't matter until he builds mechanics but its not how he approaches things, he wants to start with the meta and make sure hes playing it right away lol

we are starting to beat AM's

but he and others are learning

if i dont give him the build, he will look elsewhere anyway so

might as well direct him

hes a willful guy

[zealous wing]

give him the guide for sure

lest he goes to gameslantern and sees that forsaken gandalf build

or heaven forbid, tanner

[mighty shuttle]

What is the gandalf build

[crude cape]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?usp=sharing

this one?

[mighty shuttle]

Is it just cheesy as fuck or something

[zealous wing]

a shit meme build

blazing spirit FGS type shit

[zealous wing]

also, with psyker, there is no singular meta

blazing trauma, inferno shriek, bubbleknight, all good at different things

[hearty wolf]

I have burger coming in 20m

[zealous wing]

plus more

[crude cape]

tried telling him this too. builds scale with the difficulty you're playing, your team, do you have overlapping auras/roles? Is it rotten armor or another problem modifier? etc

[mighty shuttle]

Is bubbleknight FGS bubble build?

[plucky flax]

Phat

Give me some burga

I can play before 8

[zealous wing]

a very specific build with those, yes

[plucky flax]

Its a bit hard to play cos you'd be meleeing so more risk

[mighty shuttle]

Do you still use the same blessing (the strength one, and shred because you don't have safety net of SG so being high perils is bit riskier especially weaving with assail)

[zealous wing]

why inferno shriek is meta

[plucky flax]

If you don't be too greedy with assails it's safe

[mighty shuttle]

I play almost only melee psyker, just often with SG, I've used force walls before but wasn't sure about the risk/reward of being perpetually near 100% perils without a way to dispell abruptly

[zealous wing]

why blazing trauma

and, gunker/meleeker in general lol

[plucky flax]

After 1 or 2 games you'd be fine with peril management

But its a h40 specific build imo bubble is pointless in auric

[mighty shuttle]

I think big thing to tell him is that if he can't be independent while doing any of these builds, he's going to have a bad time regardless.

If you can play inferno build but you get your ass whooped the moment a rager gives you stink eye, meta won't matter very well. It's kinda why I have a notion that I'd suggest people to learn how to play melee psyker as they grasp the game.

Kinda forces you to get good at the simpliest fundamental of the game, stay alive, and ward off danger in melee.

[zealous wing]

this is also true

if he doesnt know how to play, meta means nothing

[mighty shuttle]

I see it realy often with veterans that has like 400 hours in the game or something, where they are just... bad at melee, and have the notion of "I'm not supposed to be good at melee, keep me out of trouble and I'll kill stuff at ranged 100%."

That's hamstringing yourself a bit, and not letting you actually develop the skillset to handle yourself in melee by delegating the responsibility of that to your teammates.

[zealous wing]

i do that with mutants if im on trauma/inferno tbh lol

"thats teh zealots problem"

"oh, there is no zealot... FIiiiINE"

[mighty shuttle]

Valid, that's more specific/nuanced situation. If you have like... devil's claw, your first impulse should not be to lob yourself at nearest train of crushers.

But if you do get chased around, being able to calmly kite and chip them down is important.

[zealous wing]

i CAN oneshot the mutants but my job at its core is set things on fire

[mighty shuttle]

Yeah! That's when you hit a point where "Okay I can do everything good mechanically skill wise, now time to actually leverage the strength of my builds."

[zealous wing]

but, if theres a muti or dog, i have to switch to kill it sometimes

is why i take KR on my inferno, too many people NOT dealing with specials

[mighty shuttle]

When some people start out by going "I only do the strengths of my build and not do anything else that well mechanically."

Though also bit of havoc playtime question/advice

I play with a friend who is generally more inexperienced than me but we both play havoc, they’ve occasionally griped that I’m not around to help them in a bad situation that much.

They’re usually referring to when there’s a cleanup phase of a fight where the group starts moving up but I hang behind because upwards of 6-9 specialists spawned or elites from behind so I spend a bit killing then before catching up with the group but that seems to be when the friend mentions that I’m making the wrong play.

[zealous wing]

next time, leave the specials, and he's ask why you didnt kill them when he gets trappered or snipered

[mighty shuttle]

I have not failed or got caught out in the roaming/rearguard position and punished for it. Is that the bad play or should I just sprint up and let the specials come to the group as opposed to staying behind to filter them out?

[zealous wing]

depends if you're breaking coherency severely or not

[weary idol]

your friend is stupid and I assure you you are doing the right thing

[zealous wing]

if you break it you will get more spawns, but if youre not like, 3 rooms away its fine lol

[weary idol]

they're advancing too quickly which is a bad habit they built and haven't figured out that it's a bad habit yet

[crude cape]

push atk on deimos stacks uncanny? i had no idea

[mighty shuttle]

Fair! My thought process is that I’m not rigidly adherent to coherency

[kind ivy]

noob question, what is blazing trauma? meaning like the weapon, ability?

[crude cape]

im trying to explain this now lol

[zealous wing]

thats why dueling sword on inferno is a dead giveaway the user has no idea what they're doing

[mighty shuttle]

If I’m able to reattach and kill things and return without any problem, then everything is fine

But if I’m actively struggling or get downed, that’s a sign I should have not left coherency to deal with problems before returning

[zealous wing]

blazing trauma, aka blazing spirit blessed voidblast staff

voidblast used to be called trauma

[weary idol]

Blazing Spirit the blessing that applies soulblaze on critical hit, on the Voidblast Force Staff which creates a large explosion on the floor

[crude cape]

how do you build blazing trauma? blazing and what second blessing? I Had someone suggest rending shockwave second, and i was wondering if it was the play? Is the crit chance or cast speed not missed?

[weary idol]

It's the alternative primary staff for soulblaze builds

[zealous wing]

nexus

[weary idol]

Warp nexus obvious choice

[zealous wing]

rending shockwave is for rending trauma only

[weary idol]

rending shockwave is for second psyker nonsense

[mighty shuttle]

I’d say that I’m generally a room behind when I’m dealing with bunch of specialists that popped up since I use spider senses mod for all disabled spawns so I know quickly if they’re behind/spawned on the map

[crude cape]

well, you can still stack uncanny on it, its just not as easy. I still think its very good. Its also harder to use the deimos in general, but ya a 'good' psyker i see usually use deimos or knife for the better knife mobility

[zealous wing]

deimos is the vastly safer option

[crude cape]

i had rawk on his stream and a good psyker he plays with swear by blazing + rending

[zealous wing]

it knocks crushers on their ass and has a 9m range on its push attack

[mighty shuttle]

Love FGS so much during the era of bugged poxbursters for that push attack

[zealous wing]

you pick deimos, or you pick knife, you dont halfass

[weary idol]

dclaw sword

[zealous wing]

lol

fair point

but its only a defensive tool

[crude cape]

so deimos, and you basically only use it to push atk spam for space + uncanny, then back to flame or trauma?

ill have to try that

[zealous wing]

well on trauma you use DS, because the SB stacks on trauma dont generally go high enough to mega benefit from uncanny stacking

but on inferno you can get to the 31 cap if you do things in the right order and time

[crude cape]

so you use DS why? for its general boss dmg and crusher/rager dueling ability if you need to?

[zealous wing]

mobility, mutants, and yeah sometimes boss damage but usually not that

[crude cape]

mutants die to it nicely too, true

im assuming knife is also good, or whatever you're good with but

[zealous wing]

i get about 14 kills or less with my DS in a given trauma match

[crude cape]

i def end up using mine more, haha

[zealous wing]

knife is not an offensive weapon, its mobility

usually i get kills because i wanna stab the poxwalker not trauma him lol

or the shotgunner

i love gunker

so, i get the urge to stab

[wraith sphinx]

I main rending shockwave because I wanna help my team 😄

[zealous wing]

does your friend know the discord exists/ does he exist here?

[crude cape]

ive linked him

hes a good gamer, knows how to do research, so im sure he'll pop in eventually

[hearty wolf]

Contrary to what others have said, I think this is the incorrect play.

Which probably means its the correct way to play for the majority of pubs

[crude cape]

hes just asking questions right now and i wanted to direct him instead of him finding Mr e or tanner or w/e lol

[zealous wing]

it just makes it easier if he can ask the questions directly without you needing to be middleman, yeah

[hearty wolf]

You need to just adapt to your team

[zealous wing]

this is where the nerds dwell

[hearty wolf]

And if you do something that makes it harder for your team, as long as it's not activelty griefing, it does not matter

Darktide is a game of individual teamwork

You can play it all together but ultimately you're responsible for what happens to you and only you

You can play it in a way where you rely on your team more but I'd ask why you'd trust your life in someone else's hands

[mighty shuttle]

Fair! I think it’s not wrong that my friend felt they’re struggling in certain phases but where things might differ is how to resolve it.

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/stinkmeaner-boondocks-what-you-gonna-do-bring-it-on-come-at-me-bro-gif-13614717

[hearty wolf]

The scenario I just read doesn't make sense to me though. I don't understand how they are rushing into a bad scenario and dying before you catch up

[mighty shuttle]

Because part of me was kinda going, “Hey I’ll help out if I can but I’m kinda doing my job dealing with spawns before they harass the team or pincer from behind, it might be just that you need to polish your mechanics or get more comfortable dealing with threats on your own.”

[hearty wolf]

You have given them space to press S

[mighty shuttle]

Less about them dying but sometimes getting hit by a wave and getting chipped or have unnecessary damage taken usually.

Like say there’s some ragers up front before I come back up to murk them (I play relic blade zealot or FGS SG melee psyker)

[hearty wolf]

Yeah, I dig the mindset. That's personally fine.

Where my mindset is "I'm not holding W, I'm slowing the mission down for my teammates that need the space/ those specials will catch up anyway and get nuked by purg staff or whoever else wants to kill them"

[mighty shuttle]

That’s a nice way to put it!

[hearty wolf]

That's 200% skill issue on their part xd

"I'm bad and I'm blaming you because I can't clean up my own shit"

[mighty shuttle]

Ultimately as I said, I believe my friend had some reasonable frustrations and I never want to invalidate that, but it’s a matter of “you can’t do anything about me beyond communicate, but you can do something about yourself!”

[hearty wolf]

On a serious note, I do understand their mentality but they are trying to force a certain gameplay style on you

Why can't they adapt to you, why do you have to adapt to them?

[mighty shuttle]

They are not at all bad! But they have a slightly lopsided skill set where I’ve seen them survive intense odds clutching out. But then they die to ragers in preventable fashion

[hearty wolf]

I'd say consistency is the biggest factor of skill personally

[mighty shuttle]

So it’s bit unusual ‘inconsistency’ yeah

[hearty wolf]

The game sort of revolves around inconsistency

Either way, you're just a very nice person

[mighty shuttle]

Yeah, there’s been interesting conversations and I always kinda kept maintaining the position, “most important skill in this teamwork context is independence,”

[hearty wolf]

It's a lot of talk but it's more about how you play as friends rather than play "properly"

[mighty shuttle]

It doesn’t mean you’re anti social or bad teammate and it’s fine to be annoyed that someone failed their job and that ended up adversely affecting you.

[hearty wolf]

Like if you played with me and you're killing specials behind? I'll be in the next airlock and will be making a cup of tea

[mighty shuttle]

Haha, yesterday I was joking to someone in VC discord (I was only one playing dark tide.” When I ended up being lobbed off the edge and ended up very far back from rest of the team.

And they were all in the airlock but three weakened bosses spawned but I managed to kill them on the way back but I was joking, “If any of my teammates complain about me taking my time to return to the , I swear.”

Though I was flattered they at least assumed I was competent enough to deal with the situation before returning to airlock haha.

[hearty wolf]

@plucky flax You around?

[zealous wing]

in that situation they honestly should have come back at least a little, or, yknow, waited

[plucky flax]

I can be ye

[hearty wolf]

kk we can do one ig

[mighty shuttle]

One of them did! But by then I already killed all of them

Before they reached me at least

[plucky flax]

Is the other guy joining?

Forgot his tag.

[hearty wolf]

LOL

@hardy citrus ?

[plucky flax]

Aye.

[mighty shuttle]

Also random question, I saw two conflicting pieces of information today

One party remarked that high havocs players are usually hardy enough to work without bubble dome in 40s while other party said bubbleknight mostly intended as havoc 40 build and isn’t as good in auric or other stuff

I assume there’s truth to both of it! But just wanted to ask about it

[hearty wolf]

True

[weary idol]

these are not conflicting it's just the reality is that most havoc 40 players atp have failed upwards to get there

and bubbleknight is working with that reality

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight and bubbleinferno are also very different

[mighty shuttle]

Makes sense!

[weary idol]

the actual people who regularly play high havocs do not need bubble

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight is peak.

[weary idol]

it's nice convenience but ultimately a psyker that just kills shit harder is better value

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight is an addon to the team, bubbleinferno is a nerfing of your hordeclearer

[mighty shuttle]

Yeah one of those days I want to see if a 40s lobby would accept me as I want a little taste of the top difficulty

[weary idol]

bubble knight is a better compromise between killing shit and being support

since gunker takes less investment to murder things

[hearty wolf]

you could join us ig

o we are starting

[weary idol]

soulblaze kinda needs shriek to overcap soulblaze

[hearty wolf]

nvm

o

@mighty shuttle

come

[zealous wing]

go suffer

lmk how it goes

[mighty shuttle]

And see if I can hold up alright I stopped playing havoc until recently where I had to climb from 11 to 31 in two weeks time n and off

It’ll be 8 minutes before I’m home

Is that alright to wait?

If not, pass on me! I’m just waiting on the bus to get me back to my building

[hearty wolf]

@plucky flax up to you idc

[plucky flax]

Sure we can wait.

[mighty shuttle]

Much appreciated!

How big is a leap from 32-33 to 40 stat scaling wise also?

[hearty wolf]

Thing hurt

[mighty shuttle]

Happy to hear that, I admit sometimes I do feel slightly uncertain if I’d be bringing better impact on team with walls or bubble sometimes

[frail tapir]

so why not take BCoB for a scrier build? Cause I see a lot of people talk against it, but talents like kinetic deflection and just a dream will see more use making you tankier, and I like to run warp speed and that will see more use with bcob

[weary idol]

the biggest leap is at havoc 25

and then from there it's all mostly the same just you have progressively less room for error because low health

[mighty shuttle]

Makes sense!

I’ve been pretty consistently staying in 30s when I hit it recently but I became a student so I didn’t grind as much as I did before

Two minutes out til I’m at my room!

[crude cape]

@zealous wing for trauma, how are you running the talent tree? I feel like ER is good like you said on trauma, i have a hard time quick-quelling like we used to (before it existed, old tree) without it.

Do you run quietude on blazing trauma?

[frail oar]

Something Something scrier uptime and high peril=high damage

[crude cape]

i was literally JUST doing this around the mourningstar like, 3 minutes ago

[zealous wing]

and high cleave

[mighty shuttle]

You all in VC?

Loading in

[zealous wing]

i'd have to log in to check exactly but i think i run quietude

[hearty wolf]

I haven't spoken to Agent in a year

[crude cape]

are you dropping warp ghost?

[frail oar]

But take bcob and if it feels nice or works for you then go for it. Don't have to be meta slave have fun homie.

[plucky flax]

Just use in game voice chat if you need something.

[zealous wing]

i would have to check, i think not

[plucky flax]

Discord chat too scary.

[mighty shuttle]

Sounds good

[hearty wolf]

If Agent joins vc, then Karien will and bully us

[plucky flax]

Speak of the devil and you shall get her.

[mighty shuttle]

Also works for me because I'm half-deaf haha

Reason why I allowed myself to get the spidey senses mod

alright adding sin

If Darktide will let me load in of course

I must placate this machine spirit

[zealous wing]

i did drop ghost

hopefully you can forgive my not remembering

(this is on one psyker)