psyker-class

[zealous wing]

which is funny because train is faster

and easier to adjust for any downs

finish the mission in 8 or 9 minutes if they go down, then wait a few to make up for any issues, and boom, penance done

[buoyant maple]

I’m pretty sure orthus is faster?

[zealous wing]

theres speed then theres skill

[plucky flax]

@hearty wolf I can play some now or ping me later I should be free (just not too late me old man me sleep early)

[deft stump]

They think they can just join h40 after being THAT lvl of carried. Even knowing that. Is one thing to poke friends and people who are willing...

[zealous wing]

train is pretty easy, and you can wait before extract with only a couple specials spawning

[hearty wolf]

I think I'm free in 50m(?)

In a work conference

Which is why I'm typing here 🤧

[plucky flax]

Aye I'll go play some kcd2.

[deft stump]

Personally, save a few barrels or walkers at the end. And wait till 15 mins to account for accidents with the medpack.

[zealous wing]

i just dont drop the medipack at all if its a penance hunt mission

[deft stump]

Sometimes, I do it but they still die.

Rushing to rescue still means having to idle for like an extra 3~ mins.

[zealous wing]

ye

ive got the mission timer mod, helps a lot with knowing timings

[ripe obsidian]

@buoyant maple how would you fix Voidstrike? I know you hate Psyker on the whole, but I like hearing different perspectives.

My opinion is that it's currently just a worse plasma gun in every way, but making it equal to the plasma gun wouldn't really be a great solution. I think it should either be more of an explosion at the end of the projectile or a narrower projectile with a faster projectile speed, much faster charge, and lower damage. But my ideas change daily.

[deft stump]

I just run an alarm and stopwatch lul.

[zealous wing]

"they downed at x time, or died at x time, picked up at y, we'll wait z"

[buoyant maple]

I don’t hate psyker on the whole, I just think they should do 40~50% more mixed horde damage than vet instead of 300%+

[deft stump]

And tell them to sit around till at least 12 mins to be sure if nobody went down.

[buoyant maple]

I also don’t know what they’re cooking for plasma in the background

You could probably fix a lot of voidstrike’s problems by giving the big Blueball higher innate crit chance

[icy breach]

Maybe make it have critical modifier like EK staff

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think it should be as high as EK

[wraith sphinx]

That would go great w/ can opener build

[buoyant maple]

And frankly I think EK’s should only apply to the lightning

Not the blueballs

[ripe obsidian]

Fix the crit scaling first

So that the lightning crits properly

[hardy citrus]

isnt this just inferno

[buoyant maple]

The lightning does crit properly

[buoyant maple]

No

[ripe obsidian]

No, it doesn't

[zealous wing]

LOL

no they fucked up the code

[ripe obsidian]

The scaling is outside of the brackets

[buoyant maple]

Isn’t lightning supposed to be 2 parts

[ripe obsidian]

The damage is 25-30% lower than it should be

[buoyant maple]

There’s the electro “DOT”

And the lightning itself

[zealous wing]

indeed

[buoyant maple]

What’s wrong then

[zealous wing]

this

[zealous wing]

this

lol

[buoyant maple]

Oh

lol

Maybe report this to FS forums

[ripe obsidian]

targets = {
        default_target = {
            boost_curve = PowerLevelSettings.boost_curves.default,
        },
        boost_curve_multiplier_finesse = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
    },

This is the issue

I did

[buoyant maple]

Peak FS code

[ripe obsidian]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/incorrect-finesse-multiplier-on-electrokinetic-staff/112098

[zealous wing]

right up there with "broker_ninja_light_stabby"

not broken but funny

[buoyant maple]

Inferno is also not that hard to nerf

[hearty wolf]

Always_sneaking_stabbing_yesyes

[ripe obsidian]

660 * (1 + 0.24) = 818.4

818.4 * (1+(0.5 * 0.6)) = 1063.92

Actual damage in the first row, expected damage with proper finesse scaling in the second

Wait no

I can't remember what I wrote

[buoyant maple]

But ya I think voidstrike could be in a much better spot if the big Blueball had like 15% innate crit chance

[ripe obsidian]

This was months ago

[zealous wing]

i gotchu

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, 1063 is the current actual damage

660 * (1 + 0.24) = 818.4
818.4 * (1+(1 * 0.6)) = 1309.44

1309 is what it would be with proper scaling

I have no brain, only pudding in my skull

[icy breach]

Don’t make me slurp ya up

I love pudding

[buoyant maple]

I’ve heard good things but idk what it actually is

lol

[ripe obsidian]

Stop the uncanny interaction, make maulers and ragers carapace default, and see how things go. Inferno should be amazing at hordes, not at armor.

Incremental changes.

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think mauler/rager need changes like that

[ripe obsidian]

No slurp pls

[buoyant maple]

It’s more
Uncanny strike nerf to 20% melee_rending at max stacks
Reduce inferno’s dot stack apply rate
Change blaze away from global strength to ranged strength

I think that’d be enough for the most part

[hearty wolf]

Inferno has a random chance to give you PoW if the staff glows blue

Start/stop tiktok kid special

[ripe obsidian]

Changing Blaze Away to ranged strength would kill it on Inferno and the flamer. It would just push more into Superiority on force swords. I think halving the bonus would be fine, but removing it from the DoT just makes it pointless.

The DoT stack rate is not particularly quick without crits.

[buoyant maple]

Yea that’s the intended effect

40% strength to dot for free is ridiculous

This is the cheapest approach in terms of fixes

[ripe obsidian]

You know that the flamer and Inferno both do basically no ranged damage, yes?

[buoyant maple]

Ofc u can make a much more nuanced version that takes way more effort

[ripe obsidian]

You might as well remove the blessing from those weapons at that point

[buoyant maple]

Only flamer

[ripe obsidian]

I get like 200k or less ranged damage on a 2.4m damage inferno game

I get more damage from KF than from the staff itself

[buoyant maple]

I guess u can also give the staff’s ranged attack like -20% crit chance

[zealous wing]

guys i think he doesnt like DoTs

[buoyant maple]

I don’t like broken dot scaling

[ripe obsidian]

Losing 20% crit chance has a wider impact than just stacking soulblaze

Tbh I'd be fine with removing double soulblaze on crit

If you're making Blaze Away only impact ranged damage, it would be better to just remove it from the weapon. Elsewise it's just a noob trap

[buoyant maple]

Yea I’d much rather remove it if it’s an option

But they’re not gonna do that

[ripe obsidian]

Imo, the problem with Inferno is not inferno itself.

Take Inferno without Shriek and you'll see it struggle

Veteran, Scum, doggo Arby, and a good Zealot can all outperform bubble + inferno pretty easily.

[buoyant maple]

Inferno without shriek is still way too much mixed horde dps for too little effort

[ripe obsidian]

It's a decent amount. But again, I haven't topped damage charts on bubble inferno for months

Not that I play bubble often

[ornate hamlet]

I'mma say uh

That having mechanics and introducing weapons that ignore them is kinda eh

[zealous wing]

i outdamaged bubbleinferno a ton on my gunker

[ornate hamlet]

Infinite cleave on the cleave-based game is sus

[buoyant maple]

Inferno is not infinite cleave

[ornate hamlet]

Just like infinite ammo on the ammo pickup game is sus

[buoyant maple]

It’s better than infinite cleave

[ripe obsidian]

Either way, it just takes way too long to scale up without Shriek, and the inability to overstack really limits damage

[hearty wolf]

I just don't like how you can get a ton of damage out of no effort, skill or application on an insane amount of targets

[zealous wing]

i dont see them nerfing soulblaze until they're also ready to nerf toxin, which, i dont see happening for a while

pay to win and all that

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[ripe obsidian]

This is a problem Fatshark created for themselves by boosting hitmass in Havoc.

[hearty wolf]

It's also fundamentally a "Lose more" weapon - Inferno is better the worse your teammates are

Which is like

Idk it makes me feel some kind of way

[buoyant maple]

The worse ur team is at mixed horde dps the better inferno looks

But inferno’s ability to combat density is still ridiculous

Psyker in general combats density too well

[hearty wolf]

I think I'd still be fine with it handling the density that it does, just not all the armour and specials

[buoyant maple]

Flamer is not excluded here either, it’s just not as good as inferno most of the time

[zealous wing]

and, in a melee most of the time game at that

[hearty wolf]

And like Six said, that's a problem with uncanny mostly but I still think the scaling for soulblaze should be tampered a bit. Tiny bit higher base but ceiling a bit lower i.e flatten the curve

Toxin needs to have some rebalance as well

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze actually has the worst curve already

[hearty wolf]

Bleed is kinda dog shit so whatever

[ripe obsidian]

But insane ADMs

[hearty wolf]

Ye and that's why I'd take an uplift in the base damage so it does something even at lower stack counts instead of fake numbers

[buoyant maple]

It’d be cool if uncanny gets nerfed to 20% melee_rending max, and soulblaze got higher damage but low ADMs across the board

[hearty wolf]

But also nerf it's potential to delete everything once you hit 31 stacks

[buoyant maple]

Would make penetrating flames / PotS actually relevant

[hearty wolf]

That's what I'm saying ya

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/settings/damage/damage_profiles/buff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L26

[hearty wolf]

And if they're using a blessing slot on PF, that's a buff for everyone

Support Psyker Inferno

[buoyant maple]

I still think psyker scales density too well and needs very substantial nerfs in that area

Or

U could pull the dumbest shit ever

[ripe obsidian]

Casual 150% Flak ADM on soulblaze

[buoyant maple]

And nerf psyker toughness down to 50 with no talent nodes for extra toughness

This would immediately make psyker the worst class in havoc

Regardless of how much damage they’re able to deal

[ripe obsidian]

Sub-20 toughness in havoc

[buoyant maple]

It wouldn’t be just sub-20 no

You get 5

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

Yes 5

Remember ogryn pre-rework

[hearty wolf]

I don't give a shit if the psyker has 1 toughness, it's still ruining my experience when it's deleting shit all over the screen atm

And that's just frustrating for the psyker when they die to two shots to a stalker

[jovial juniper]

50 base - 45 flat

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[ripe obsidian]

Part of that is the obnoxious graphical effects of inferno

Tone it down a lot

Same with smoke grenades

[zealous wing]

honestly tho please

let us see through the fuckin smoke

it hurts more than helps

[hearty wolf]

Actually

My new monitor has been helping with that

Even though the soulblaze is SUPER bright now

[buoyant maple]

I’ve sent some devious ideas to playtesters but I never said that much on psyker

[hearty wolf]

I can kinda just see more and tell what I'm looking at due to the other colours being more vibrant

[ripe obsidian]

I can agree with Soulblaze ADMs being tweaked down. But again, incremental changes. Too many nerfs at once is a bad idea for anything

[buoyant maple]

It was more vet/og/misc

[hardy citrus]

it's soulblaze too

soulblaze makes hard to see whats going on if ind

[buoyant maple]

If block cost curio perks were better, the curio meta would change

[hardy citrus]

then nerf the interaction with dot or give it a reduced str version like how shivs have weaker uncanny, surely?

[buoyant maple]

Could do that yes

10% max then

Specifically for inferno

Flamer gets 40%

[deft stump]

It's literally for stupid memes only atm.

[buoyant maple]

Because zealot doesn’t have burn dot talents to synergize

[hearty wolf]

I don't want it nerfed, just rebalanced

For it to have a role rather than it being everything

I don't even mind if it can do everything, just as long as it's harder to play

Like ranged Scum needs to fuck off, that's also devoid of input

[buoyant maple]

If block cost perks were 20% instead of 12% then most classes would actually be better off running 3x block perks over +3 stam & revive perks

[hearty wolf]

just hold m1

[buoyant maple]

That whole playstyle is aids I agree

[hardy citrus]

i feel like ranged scum is easier to fix

u just make it so pickpocket either has a cooldown or is melee only, or both.

[deft stump]

I can guess, is just too little atm to be much other than to see how much less peril damage you can take blocking because funni.

[buoyant maple]

If ur thinking pickpocket nerf would be enough, you’re wrong

[hardy citrus]

Desperado too?

[buoyant maple]

Because what’ll end up happening is people still playing ranged hvs but just taking entire map’s ammo

And annoy everybody else even more

Still spraying at everything

[hardy citrus]

how do u fix ranged scum then

[buoyant maple]

And stripping everybody of ammo

[hardy citrus]

or is this a players not playstyle thing

[deft stump]

Uhhh... most scums just do that anyway.

I do it when playing solo cos ded server lul.

[hardy citrus]

maybe in lower diffs i dont typically see it in higher diffs

assuming they actually have pickpocket

[deft stump]

They likely do, but still grab everything.

[plucky flax]

I play playing range scum I don't like playing with range scum

[buoyant maple]

Pickpocket nerf
Significantly increase desperado CD
Disable ammo pickup for hvs if pickpocket is taken

[deft stump]

I see them run to snatch ammo the moment I open a box. I always lose the ammo snatch due to ping.

[hardy citrus]

what's a significant desperado cd increase?

15 seconds? more?

[buoyant maple]

60s base or more

[plucky flax]

I don't even use desperado on my range build.

[hardy citrus]

so 15 sec

[ripe obsidian]

Desperado is pointless when Pickpocket exists

[hardy citrus]

it's good for the rending i think

it gives rending and ranged immunity, and doesn't do much outside of that I find really?

[deft stump]

Unless you kark up so hard you hit 0 ammo.

Desperado lets you reload from 0.

[ripe obsidian]

Dodging already gives ranged immunity, as does vulture if you pick that

[deft stump]

I found that out only because bored psykhanium messing around.

But considering most pub scum is perma white from grabbing all the ammo on the map, changes nothing lul.

[ripe obsidian]

It does seem that, mechanically, the main issue everyone has with Inferno is more an issue with Soulblaze. And that issue, distilled, is that it does everything too well. Part of that could be addressed by fixing Uncanny. Another part by lowering ADMs or rebalancing default armor types.

I think it's important to note that Soulblaze should take a while to stack and scale. This is why there's such a difference in performance between Shriek and Bubble. Shriek alleviates that weakness. There's also the fact that you can easily get 50% or so crit chance on Inferno and stack soulblaze that much faster.

[hardy citrus]

well

inferno's power is mostly in soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[buoyant maple]

I think psyker op even beyond inferno

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ripe obsidian]

But the common refrain is to nerf inferno

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker needs either less damage resist or less toughness regen.

[hardy citrus]

yeah i mean, inferno is just the vessel

[buoyant maple]

Less DPS + either option

[hardy citrus]

I don't know if soulblaze itself is problematic?

[ripe obsidian]

I think it is, on ADMs alone. 150% on flak is kinda goofy.

[ripe obsidian]

Eh. Psyker should be a glass cannon. More cannon, more glass. Right now it's just a cannon with basically no weakness because every build has tons of defense

[buoyant maple]

Right now it’s more than cannon and not enough glass

[hardy citrus]

I'm not familiar enough with psyker to comment here, how well does psyker stack soulblaze without inferno generally?

[frail oar]

Trauma can stack it but nothing is as fast as infernus

[ripe obsidian]

Scum can compete with and not uncommonly outdamage Psyker.

[ripe obsidian]

Only to 6

[buoyant maple]

Yea and ranged hvs is op too

[hardy citrus]

I mean, it having good ADM's is fine, if the stacking is controlled I'd think?

like

[ripe obsidian]

Decently with just Shriek, PC, and Wildfire. It's usually 1/3 or so of my damage on Shriek EK

I think Soulblaze Psyker should retain the snowballing aspect of PC and Shriek. It's fun, it feels powerful. It's just too safe, too easy, and too effective on everything that isn't a Crusher.

[frail oar]

PC gives so much momentum

[buoyant maple]

Give every enemy x30% warp DR in havoc

[ripe obsidian]

PC is one of those talents that's useless outside of high difficulties, and pretty awful without another source of Soulblaze

It's like a 2% damage boost at max if its your only source of blue fire

[deft stump]

And annoys any purga psyker.

[dapper river]

How does PC and wildfire work together?
Do both just add eachother stacks on the next enemy?
For example if I kill a bulwark with 4 stacks, will the scab mauler next to it get 4 from wildfire and 3 from PC?

[deft stump]

XD

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

Wildfire procs before PC

[ornate hamlet]

To be fair, that's kind of the hype of the build, because the so-called "gun psyker" still exists and people kinda just stopped spamming IAG + SG on poxwalkers

[ripe obsidian]

But wildfire distributes those 4 stacks 1 by 1

[dapper river]

Alright thanks

[ripe obsidian]

So if there are 4 maulers, each gets 1 stack from wildfire then 3 from PC

[ornate hamlet]

I imagine the left side also has stuff like melee attack speed to promote some usage of melee

[hardy citrus]

oh so it splits the stacks?

so if u killed something with 8 stacks, it'd apply 2 stacks to each mauler?

[ornate hamlet]

Though, like vet's tree, it really wants to shoehorn ranged, and that can definitely be a problem

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, but it caps at 4

It builds a list of nearby enemies and iterates through until all 4 stacks are distributed

It sounds like it's bad, but it's really not

[hardy citrus]

that doesn't seem that good if ur not applying a lot of stacks?

seems great if you are

[ripe obsidian]

It's useless if your only source of soulblaze is PC

[deft stump]

Is why you use it on a purga or soublaze trauma build only.

[ripe obsidian]

If you have Shriek or Inferno or Blazing Trauma, wildfire is amazing

[buoyant maple]

Hvs’s ranged damage can use some changes yea

[jovial juniper]

Take some of it and give it to Gunlugger

[buoyant maple]

How does vet tree shoehorn ranged

[hardy citrus]

Vet is one of the best classes at giving u a choice i think

[deft stump]

If you choose to go hard left.

I guess.

[buoyant maple]

Is it?

Where’s the choice

[marble crater]

In deciding which other class you would rather play

[hardy citrus]

like, it doesn't force u into range

u have that choice to go into melee or ranged

[buoyant maple]

Do I really

[hardy citrus]

well it's not like zealot where ur only option is melee

[deft stump]

Vets are more hybird with the ability to go 90% ranged with certain guns.

[hardy citrus]

yeah I guess all vet builds will want to use ranged weapons to some extent

[ornate hamlet]

The left keystone needs ranged, the left ability buffs ranged, there's stuff like toughness on ranged kill, ranged damage when not taking melee damage, las weapons not using ammo, ammo regen aura

[deft stump]

Zealots are more the reverse, your bistol/revolver is there just for PoS specials.

[ornate hamlet]

People would pick that stuff up and go "yeah, I'm gonna make a fully ranged build"

[hardy citrus]

that's what knives are for

this is basically why i always use flamer on zealot

[ornate hamlet]

So people go and just use ranged weapons on everything

[hardy citrus]

it's just so much power and it doesn't really cost anything i find

[deft stump]

Still a terrible idea for most guns. Also terrible anyway when they complain no ammo.

[ornate hamlet]

The point I'm making is not whether it's good or not, but that people will look at that stuff and want to do what ranged scum is doing now: go around shooting literally everything

[deft stump]

I have sat through a run where the bolter vet kept spamming I need ammo.

He shot every single thing btw.

[ornate hamlet]

Gun psyker used to have people like that and they just kinda... stopped

Though it didn't really have as much "obviousness" as the vet and scum

It was usually stuff like non-warp damage

Sometimes it's about what the game transmits as the intention

[deft stump]

Then they need to buy scum to do it. Because unless you like inf las or hellbore, you will run out if you aren't grabbyhanding all the ammo.

Even recon will run out if you decide 100% ranged.

[ornate hamlet]

That's not what I mean

Nevermind

[deft stump]

There's just no way to mimic what scum is doing unless vet gets old survivalist back.

[quartz barn]

even then vet doesnt have the speedboost + enhanced dodges

[ornate hamlet]

Which is not what I have been talking about

[ornate hamlet]

I explicitly say it

Vet didn't need a scum-tier ranged build to give the idea that it could be one

[plucky flax]

Are we gayming or am I going to bed?

@hearty wolf

[wraith sphinx]

it's bed time for you

[hardy citrus]

i am around

[deft stump]

To be fair, if you look at MMF, it would tell you. They even made it less cheesable or impossible with melee for the penance.

[plucky flax]

I can play. Not sure if 6 is around

[hardy citrus]

@ripe obsidian

he was earlier

[ripe obsidian]

Hi

I am at work

Yesterday was a holiday, so I was free

[plucky flax]

I will need your number wyvinnir

[hardy citrus]

ah 1 sec

8421211255

sin dead ig

[deft stump]

Wait, you are from the states, right? What was yesterday anyway?

[ripe obsidian]

MLK Day

[hardy citrus]

did you really have to accept the guy whos steam name is "Flappy granny"

[plucky flax]

He'll carry.

[deft stump]

Oh.

[ripe obsidian]

I am, unfortunately, from the states

[hardy citrus]

it happened again

[ripe obsidian]

You have a much better 2nd Psyker this time

Fear not

[hardy citrus]

uh

we both died

to the same crusher overhead

[marble crater]

Classic

[plucky flax]

My laptop also crashed

[hardy citrus]

huge

[plucky flax]

Laptop overheat moment

[ornate hamlet]

This wouldn't happen in a fatmangus world

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-emoji-eyes-stoat-meme-weasel-gif-6487643276599068732

[ripe obsidian]

Agent needs to self-limit with a laptop

otherwise he's too powerful

[hardy citrus]

[plucky flax]

Im coming back dunno if the round is still going

[hardy citrus]

nah

we lost

u should quit ur job so u can play darktide six

that sounds like a viable life choice.

[ripe obsidian]

That would certainly be a choice I could make

[ornate hamlet]

One of the choices of all time

[jovial juniper]

It would if darktide had a professional competitive scenario

[ornate hamlet]

It does, Tanner created it (he didn't, but anyone would believe it)

[ripe obsidian]

I am not good enough to be competitive

[dusk timber]

Then become good enough

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[ripe obsidian]

I have tried. :<

[dusk timber]

Clearly not enough

[jovial juniper]

Have you ever played a game with money on the line

[hearty wolf]

Oh

Oh well, tomorrow then

[zealous wing]

i would kill to have a clip of that happening

[hardy citrus]

me too!

unfortunately it didn't clip right

[plucky flax]

I'll have to play differently because we suck ass.

[hardy citrus]

i mighjt swap to zealot

if this keeps happening

[plucky flax]

We're going so slow I'm in alone and if my ee doesn't proc red reaper just 1 shot me

[marble crater]

Differently? Do you mean better?

[plucky flax]

Yes and more defensive (for myself)

[marble crater]

Protect yourself from all the flamers

[radiant frigate]

i think one time i saw 3 or 4 people get dunked by the same overhead

yeah we died but that's an acceptable price to pay for maintaining squad cohesion

[fading galleon]

psionic soldier. drip or drown?

[hardy citrus]

pretty drip imo

[hearty wolf]

I'm sorry I'm not there to bring the speed 😭

[ripe obsidian]

did you win any? D:

[hardy citrus]

we ddid it

we just did

[plucky flax]

55 mins game moment

[hardy citrus]

agent clutched up

yeah

[plucky flax]

I think I am done for the night.

My soul left my body.

[hardy citrus]

yee that was good tho

[ripe obsidian]

How many attempts was that?

[hardy citrus]

3?

fail fail win?

i think

[ripe obsidian]

What build?

[ripe obsidian]

Could be worse.

[plucky flax]

Fail cos laptop died. Then fail cos I play like normal and team was 200m behind.

[hardy citrus]

I mean agent had to do a big clutch and we had to 2 man a lot of it

[plucky flax]

Then I went deflector deimos instead of knife

[hardy citrus]

do you have scoreboard?

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's not pretty.

[hardy citrus]

send LOL

I ate a load of shit at the start, and at the end, but did pretty good during the middle

[hardy citrus]

managed to blow myself up TWICE

[plucky flax]

Went down at the end cos red reapers and no one was there :>

[hardy citrus]

wait

is that 300 kills

in a havoc?

ALL kills?

holy shit 💀

[ripe obsidian]

Common H40 random performance

[plucky flax]

I dunno how long the solo clutch was it was long.

[hardy citrus]

probably like 5-10 min

[plucky flax]

Too many specials for my poor purga.

[ripe obsidian]

There has been a massive influx of really bad H40 players recently

I can't solely blame the people speedrunning carries, but they're a significant contributor

[hardy citrus]

I think I'm getting the hang of this build now a bit more

I'm generally happy with how i played

outside of the two self-explosions and the two random downs at the end

[ripe obsidian]

It happens to the best of us

[zealous wing]

do you want to do a chill damnation with us and a newbie?

we got one slot

[ripe obsidian]

I am on my lunsj break. D:

gotta go back to work in a minute

[zealous wing]

but

but i see you :(((

[hardy citrus]

ill pop in for that if six isn't

[zealous wing]

fiiiiiine

[ripe obsidian]

I logged in to get this

To show @hardy citrus

[hardy citrus]

yeah u had 1 sandbagger

[ripe obsidian]

in regards to the 300 kills thing

[hardy citrus]

we had two floor cleaners

[zealous wing]

then i guess we have a slot

begrudingly

i miss playing dt with six >:(

too much enshrouded grinding

[ripe obsidian]

I can try to play tonight. Not sure of my plans

[zealous wing]

(im not actually mad about it you can join im just teasing six to make him feel bad)

[hardy citrus]

I gathered

[plucky flax]

This scum was genuinedly the worst scum I've seen yet.

[hardy citrus]

8421211255

[plucky flax]

Bro did no damage on a damage class.

[hardy citrus]

I'm ngl

the scum actively

i was happy he was dead

i hate the stim visual effects

so when he was dead i wasn't getting stimcrated

[zealous wing]

mod, "disable screen effects"

trust

[hearty wolf]

Oh dear...

[zealous wing]

lifesaver

[hardy citrus]

yeah i might get it

i like some effects

[zealous wing]

you can choose

[hardy citrus]

ooooo

is there a mod that lets me turn down the noise peril makes when u hit 100?

[zealous wing]

i got it mainly because of final wound warning filter

[zealous wing]

yeah its base

[hardy citrus]

i literally cannot hear shit when i play gaze because all i can here is FWOOOSH FWOOOSH FWOOSH

where is it?

[pine elk]

how come you don't like perilmaxxing

i like hearing the whispers of the warp in my ears actually

that one dude that sounds like he's scowling, in particular

[hardy citrus]

i like being able to actually hear other things

[zealous wing]

i listen to music so i cant hear it anyway tbh

but if i need to hear, i NEED to turn it all off and focus

[pine elk]

I mean.. all the noises you need to hear are loud already.

At least, I think so.

[zealous wing]

it depends

i have things set low normally, and my headset itself is about 60% on top of this

[hardy citrus]

Sure, but i could do without being earfucked by perils at the same time

[zealous wing]

id love a mod to change specific sound volumes like accessibility tweaks does for vintage story

[ripe obsidian]

no one else has been logging on much, so I will likely lose interest soon. Much of my fun in such games comes from gathering resources for others

[ripe obsidian]

Audio in this game is fucked up, honestly

[hardy citrus]

sometimes shit is silent

i got hit by a suilent burster last run

[ripe obsidian]

One of my deaths yesterday with Agent and Sin and Wyvinnir was because a tox flamer crept up behind me silently and I didn't know she was there until the fire was already on me

[hardy citrus]

i remember seeing that

[ripe obsidian]

There's some sort of audio prioritization that doesn't always work

Or things like not getting a sniper audio cue if the sniper is targeting an ally that happens to be standing behind you

[pine elk]

Yeah I do agree that..

Like uh, the audiowork is great, really.

[ripe obsidian]

I felt very silly.

[pine elk]

It's just that the actual way the audio behaves in-game is pretty bad.

Sometimes

I don't have much experience with it beyond like one or two sneaky poxbursters.

[tardy pumice]

why do ppl say wildfire is bad?

[ripe obsidian]

Because it's hard to understand the impact.

[pine elk]

Caps off at 4 stacks of soulblaze spread to enemies. At least, that's the reason I've heard.

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is very, very good (with a soulblaze build).

[pine elk]

I don't use it personally but I don't think it's bad.

[tardy pumice]

can u explain pls?

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire requires a consistent source of Soulblaze to be useful. It spreads 4 stacks total across 4 or fewer enemies.

This leads people to feel that it isn't worth it, because 1 stack appears to be useless

But 1 stack is valuable in many ways

1 stack is another enemy that can give you In Fire Reborn stacks, it's another enemy to proc Souldrinker, another chance for Kinetic Flayer to pop

And

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=69710dbc&is=696fbc3c&hm=9a02a178716bfcedc04d3113d2975491ebb597eecd7bded315ed36153152a75c&

[ripe obsidian]

6 stacks of Soulblaze from Shriek is 24 base damage.

7 stacks is 32

So that 1 stack from Wildfire is a 33% damage increase onto Shriek

[pine elk]

Yeah, getting KF pops from soulblaze feels good.

[ripe obsidian]

Every stack that Wildfire spreads is also a stack you don't have to add from other sources.

[hardy citrus]

yeah it's literally just free stacks

[ripe obsidian]

I think the biggest point is that people don't understand soulblaze damage scaling

But if you don't have Inferno, Blazing Trauma, and/or Shriek, there's no point to Wildfire. Perilous Combustion alone isn't enough to make it worth it.

Also, you shouldn't take PC without another source of Soulblaze imo

[deft stump]

Unless you wanna annoy someone else.

[ripe obsidian]

True

[plucky flax]

Me I take pc on bubble knight to ks

[pine tundra]

DAMMIT
4/5 auric maelstrom and I die again
all because someone decides to leave

[zealous wing]

then theres just the drastic difference in basic firespread from wildfire

[hardy citrus]

@zealous wing i knew it was gonna happen

[tardy pumice]

cant u argue tho that you can just get those stacks from the staff?

[hardy citrus]

yes u do, but with wildfire u now get more stacks, faster

[zealous wing]

we did not know which button to press

[tardy pumice]

like it doesnt take much to just shoot around a bit

[zealous wing]

it does make a difference when things in the back that you cant reach are whats being lit on fire

inferno might have infinite cleave but its range is still very smol

[frail tapir]

once again in my eternal thirst for a semi-support melee build I bounce from zealot to psyker

will my quest ever end

[ripe obsidian]

Aye, fire for everyone

[zealous wing]

no because both have something you want, but also dont have something you want

[ripe obsidian]

But in the time it takes you to shoot fire everywhere, would you rather have 1 stack on every enemy or 2?

Again, Soulblaze is not linear in its scaling

The first few stacks have outsized importance

[zealous wing]

i cant believe people pass up on a firespreading talent on a fuckin "ALL THE FIRE GIVE ME ALL THE FIRE" build

[ripe obsidian]

People like Empyric Shock because it says damage go up

[zealous wing]

"oh its just one stack on only four enemies " its not just ONE ENEMY DYING now IS IT

[ripe obsidian]

One stack is significant

[hardy citrus]

support builds in this game are kinda

not real

You've got builds with some utility in them, but not like other games where u have actual support setups

[icy breach]

TFW You have to tank as psyker
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9593017093829919010/5F6B1B496EC0A8D7A532FE428D162B351FD0292F/

[frail tapir]

dang it why can't there be an easy answer

[icy breach]

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight

[frail tapir]

fatshark just make a class that is blatantly overpowered and good at everything

[ripe obsidian]

the best way to support is to kill the enemy faster

[hardy citrus]

they already did, it's called psyker.

[hardy citrus]

this

[zealous wing]

DC might be comparatively weak but it is the "carry me" weapon for sure

if they buffed it, it would be glorious

[frail tapir]

but the issue with that is I don't get to feel as good about myself

[tardy pumice]

what psyker build would you guys say is the most "well rounded"? flamer has bad boss dmg

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight for you too, or gunker

[icy breach]

behind force sword; its like one of the best tech melee choice for range builds

[ripe obsidian]

the chad parry master

[icy breach]

I love it

[ripe obsidian]

D Claw on Scum is on another level

[hardy citrus]

What is bubble knight in this scenario

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight

[hardy citrus]

I hate u

What does it consist of

[zealous wing]

bubble

gun

bigly sword

[hardy citrus]

Is it just melee with bubble

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

[ripe obsidian]

ees in the bonanza. Agent is the only one I know of who does it regularly

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight

[hardy citrus]

No way people yapping about gun on psyker

[zealous wing]

tis old ss tbf

[hardy citrus]

Ok yeah so it’s basically melee with bubble

Maybe I’ll give it a go

I do like scriers a lot though

[zealous wing]

theres also mine, if you wanted more punch, i run scriers

[hardy citrus]

I mean I already play a defence heavy melee setup

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker

[hardy citrus]

Yeah that’s pretty similar to my setup

[ripe obsidian]

I have zero motivation to work today

[hardy citrus]

well

guess what im gonna say here

[ripe obsidian]

You will endorse Nonsense and Tomfoolery

[hardy citrus]

correct. quit ur job.

tell ur manager ur fucking off home to play darktide instead of working

because u know what really matters

[frail tapir]

I so badly wish dclaw was good enough to be worth running on any melee build

I love versatile weapons

[mighty shuttle]

Does Scum have ability to run dclaw as actual melee focused build?

[hardy citrus]

no

not really

it can use it as a backup weapon

[mighty shuttle]

Because i love parry but the weapon it's on tends to feel bit impotent compared to other options I enjoy more

fair

[hardy citrus]

but it's not a main weapon

dclaw simply doesn't have the damage for it really

[mighty shuttle]

valid

[ripe obsidian]

I actually had a meeting with my manager that I was late to because I lost track of time

Just a weekly sync, nothing special.

I did not tell him I was going to fuck off to play Darktide

[hardy citrus]

LOL

[ripe obsidian]

...maybe? Scum gets enough melee boosts that any weapon can work well.

@verbal thistle what say ye?

I've seen Ainz go kinda wild with the d claw. But as always, Ainz is so far above the average player that his gameplay isn't really a benchmark to go by

[hardy citrus]

i mean i feel like if u took pickpocket and needle pistol u could then do whatever u wanted with ur melee tbh

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz does DB shotgun + d claw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4PA9jVIXs

Ah, this one is the needle pistol

But either way, melee-focused build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ac419b-1985-4d3c-abd8-cd6821281205/parry-this

And the associated build

[zealous wing]

i love that i knew it was ainz's from the artstyle

i just jumped in here and saw an ainz thumbnail, absolute artist with paint

[modest perch]

yea hes very avant garde

the malice ready dn build remains my fav

[ripe obsidian]

He makes it look easy

Both the gameplay and the MS Paint artistry

[verbal thistle]

Scum gives Dclaw everything it wants

Good stamina eco, a way to deal with carapace (tox). Alot of crit synergy (tox on crit) and the high crit to help Dclaw parry finesse

[ripe obsidian]

Thought so, but you are much more learned on this topic than I

[mighty shuttle]

Oooh fun

Thank you!

Sorry was doing havoc run

Everything seemed to be going well

But then we got a big of nasty situation that resulted in bunch of downs, and a scum was going off on me being carried the entire time and being useless as FGS Psyker, was first time in long time I actually saw someone being toxic after the fact.

[ripe obsidian]

What level of havoc?

[mighty shuttle]

30

[ripe obsidian]

Makes sense

the toxicity, I mean

[mighty shuttle]

From my recollection I was doin' pretty well considering I was the primary boss killing power and cleared out plenty of gunners with assail when max DD and SG

But worst part

I couldn't respond because I was bugged out by AMD software when I accidentally pulled up the HUD and cancelled

So I had to restart my PC to get it done haha, so denied the catharsis of pointing out his flaws before leaving amicably haha.

[ripe obsidian]

better to just ignore ragers and/or block them

Not worth responding

[mighty shuttle]

Mhm! I just play very nice, and point out few real things before leaving! People get bit saltier when you are geniunely nice.

As well just being good for the soul!

[ripe obsidian]

My last rager was a very bad player who said something like,

"No bubble? wtf is this trolling. I got shot 4x by snipers"

To which I said, "Dodge them," and a teammate (also a random) said that Shriek is better than bubble for H40.

He then spent the rest of the game intentionally dying and spamming in chat "just dodge" and "why didn't you dodge" whenever someone got hit or went down.

We did not win.

it was my second time playing with them in random H40s.

the first time, I believe they did 80k damage in a 17 minute game.

But in H40, people generally don't talk much

[icy breach]

@ripe obsidian I have more :3
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16172316464219927388/F74149BBA7677138901ECDDE3B9F9F3FEE44D617/

[hearty wolf]

Talking about actual ragers

I love them as scum

They're easier to kill than the horde

Least threatening enemy

[icy breach]

Report his ass

[marble crater]

"You are currently blocking this player"

[icy breach]

i Have VC muted in-game; lets just say i don't wanna hear ppl yap from the eastern lands in my ears; they never commune in english & are useless

[marble crater]

East from where?

[icy breach]

we all know which country I talk about; the one who dreams of glory days of old

and tries to reclaim it

[ripe obsidian]

People in NA very rarely use voice chat

[marble crater]

Liechtenstein

[icy breach]

They had casualty of war '+1'; thats already glorious as it is

[hardy citrus]

i see talk sometimes

[icy breach]

[hardy citrus]

but it's usually banter

it's either a bit of banter or silence, they leave after a fail and start q'ing again

[marble crater]

It is, always need to smile when I remember that

[toxic forge]

My favorite rager moment was from a dude telling me to turn my flashlight on unironically when I said I couldn't see shit lol

[ripe obsidian]

I am futzing around with parrying in the Psykhanium, and the timing seems rather unforgiving

If you don't time it correctly, you seem to get locked in the animation

And if you're fighting more than one guy, you just get your stamina drained and staggered

[icy breach]

i believe you can still swap weapons; its not like flip shovel special stuck on hit on mk7

[icy breach]

thats why you get stamina; i use +2 on weapon; no need for more unironically
Block reduction on weapon does not reduce stamina cost on parry btw
dunno about curio block perk; haven't checked that

[weary idol]

incidentally helbore veteran has all these too

[icy breach]

just that HS can utilize DC offensively better than vet (as long as you use Rampage); defensively they both do very well

[ripe obsidian]

It seems amazingly strong versus single enemies. Seems to struggle with hordes. Weapon that requires careful positioning to work

[hardy citrus]

Aren’t u literally at work

[icy breach]

thats why its a tech choice for trauma for me (and other staffs); you do not use it for hordes even; thats what your staff is for
DC is for good boss defence especially vs hyperagressive ones like twins or sword captain or CS

can parry everything exept 2 things;

• Shield burst from captains
• Grabs of any kind

[icy breach]

Almost the same as mine
I just use rampage… and mk1 DC with unironically SC & Hammerblow
And it works

[ripe obsidian]

That ended 90 minutes ago

[mighty shuttle]

So

I think I found a bug with chaos spawn throw AI

That or I got skill-diffed and gatekept

[hardy citrus]

Are u havocing?

[jovial juniper]

Spawn using your captured teammates to free you is a known thing

However

Being thrown out of the map was unlucky af

[hardy citrus]

I didn’t realise that was possible

I thought mutants and spawns just dropped you if there was no safe throw

I’ve seen it before

[mighty shuttle]

Yeah I thought it was safeguards to stop chaos spawn from insta killing you with a throw

[icy breach]

I think AI wanted to throw him on a platform but code is fked so he got cheesed

[mighty shuttle]

And that I found rare case

Pretty much

[icy breach]

Mutants do the same

[mighty shuttle]

I uploaded this with reddit title of "anti clutch chaos spawn AI techniques"

[icy breach]

They throw you over gaps and on ledges where you hang till rescued or falling to death

[mighty shuttle]

I was just dying of laughter from it especially with the model faceplanting into concrete

If it was the family guy pose it'd been perfection

[weary idol]

yeah they do this sometimes

one of many reasons chaos spawn are the most dangerous boss enemy in the game

[hardy coral]

just woke up, but what i mean by both is, 5 stacks on non-warp kills and 5 stacks of warp kills from malefic momentum.

[narrow herald]

WOKE?!!??????

😡 😡 😡 😡

[hardy coral]

ye, you tend to wake up in the morning?

[narrow herald]

Ok liberal

[warped hollow]

Ok, smite sucks

Idk how people are cookinh ragers in 2 seconds with it

[narrow herald]

Ok as much as I want smite to be removed from the game

Spreading misinformation like this will just feed Fatshark's ego 💀

[warped hollow]

Its just so unfun

[hardy coral]

Smite.... even when its not killing everything just kinda makes the game borring.

[narrow herald]

Oh you mean it's not fun

I thought you meant that is wasn't good at pausing the fucking game 💀

[warped hollow]

Oh no, i run it to where it doesn't kill things immediately, i just use it... forever

Still not fun

[narrow herald]

Because smite, especially in rotten armor, is just giga broken in Havocs

[hardy coral]

i just use smite for dogs or bursters. im not dealing with 20 bursters with 170 ping.

[warped hollow]

It's only fun when i have acompetent team... which is like 10% of the time

Which even then it's still not fun to sit there and hold one button for an entire game

I need a different build

[narrow herald]

Psyker is basically the most busted class in the game by a landslide, so anything will work

[ripe obsidian]

I am currently playing Mario Odyssey

[warped hollow]

Welp i found a build

They just burn forever

[nocturne dust]

Indeed, Perilous Combustion shenanigans with the Psykhanium.

[ornate hamlet]

That combustion do be perilous no cap ong

[prime elk]

the PC buff was definitely eeded and not a dumb idea whatsoever

[warped hollow]

I like it

Its not a simple build, but setting everything on fire is going

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is bugged in the Psykhanium

It lasts like 7 seconds even with nothing to jump to

[nocturne dust]

wack

[warped hollow]

Wildfire+PC is fun

Everything burns

Struggles to spread though

[narrow herald]

NOOOOOOO

[barren arrow]

So why warp nexus on inferno staff?

[warped hollow]

Psyker is really hard to keep toughness on

Forget how much you need to rely on your mates to take the brunt of the mobs

[warped hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[barren arrow]

yer, inferno staff clears them really quick but you still need a SINGULAR SECOND to charge, and that can be impossible to find lmao

I mean you can always run routes to make up some space tbf

[radiant frigate]

not factual

[warped hollow]

In just not used to creating space

Keep getting surrounded and getting caught in corners

[barren arrow]

Warpshock slash will get you full toughness real quick :)

[radiant frigate]

warp kill, crit, exist, cast, quell, by extension block and melee weakspot kills

[warped hollow]

Ice been running blaze sword

[radiant frigate]

lots of toughness

[warped hollow]

The build I'm running struggles to build peril

[radiant frigate]

whatcha running

inferno?

[warped hollow]

I'm running inferno yes

[radiant frigate]

then you should be good via warp kills and crit

and soulblaze kills if you pick that up too

[warped hollow]

What counts as a warp kill?

[radiant frigate]

anything nonphysical

all psyker blitzes

staff casts

soulblaze

[warped hollow]

I'm running a lot of soulblaze with inferno staff and the blaze sword

[radiant frigate]

force sword specials

[warped hollow]

I like its special

[radiant frigate]

which flavor of force sword (also please do not run blazing spirit on melee)

[buoyant maple]

Push

[buoyant maple]

Everything blue that only u can do (and smite)

[radiant frigate]

true fact

how's the guide coming along

[warped hollow]

I can push when i remember i have melee

[verbal thistle]

Ahhh, the good old psyker players not needing to learn game mechanics because how the strong the class is

Not really your fault

[warped hollow]

Nah, I'm just not used to pyker

I just got it to 30 so i wont be playing her till i feel better about it

[verbal thistle]

Fair enough, good plan

If you are looking to improve try melee psyker

This makes it so you need to engage with more game features so it pushes you into learning more compared to staff spamming

[warped hollow]

Melee psyker turns a game of whack shit into chess

[verbal thistle]

Exactly my point

But if you don't want to. No need

Video games, have fun

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-gif-27157580

[warped hollow]

Nah, i have arby and ogryn for my melee

[barren arrow]

so anyways

[warped hollow]

In fact i prefer arby melee above all

[barren arrow]

Why do people seem to prefer Warp Nexus on inferno over something like Penetrating Flame?

[warped hollow]

He's laundrying money

I like penetratimg flame

[barren arrow]

why do spicy staff need crit chance

[verbal thistle]

Crits apply 2 burn and psyker has good crit synergy with talents

[barren arrow]

mm

[verbal thistle]

Plus brittleness isn't worth outside havoc

[barren arrow]

This is inside havoc

[verbal thistle]

Then it might be comparable to Nexus if used in rotten armor

But Nexus still has the important talent synergies

Like mettle/perfect timing (forgot which). Eptheaic evasion. And of course just doubling dots

[warped hollow]

In my expert advice, if it works it works

[verbal thistle]

Indeed

[radiant frigate]

i love your spelling of empathic

it brought a smile to my face

[verbal thistle]

Autocorrect moment

What does that word even mean

[radiant frigate]

hold up how often do you write eptheaic if autocorrect has it

[verbal thistle]

Idk

I misspelled empathic rarely

[nocturne dust]

Eptheaic is not a word? Or do you mean empathic?

[verbal thistle]

I did mean empathic

I guess I mistyped it without it changing

[nocturne dust]

Empathic just means telepath, but emotion reading instead of mind reading

[plucky flax]

Me when ee doesn't proc and red reaper is shooting at me

Evasion didn't feel empathic.

[hollow summit]

Just slide

[plucky flax]

Yeah tru why didn't I think of that whilst mid-casting purga.

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[ripe obsidian]

Ya silly goofus

[fading shoal]

I forgot if Kinetic Flayer could wake up the Daemonhost?

[ripe obsidian]

It should not target the DH

I believe

I will test

oh, nope, it makes the DH angery

I was mistaken

[fading shoal]

[ripe obsidian]

on the upside

shriek from behind walls doesn't bother the dh

[fading shoal]

good to know, thank you

[ripe obsidian]

or maybe just doesn't bother the DH in general. Hm.

[fading shoal]

DH unbothered by warp burps

[ripe obsidian]

I think this is bugged in the psykhanium

so none of this testing is very valuable

I remember reading patch notes about shouts not affecting DHs, but I can't find them anymore

[ripe obsidian]

"Fixed an issue where Psyker's Soulblaze from Perilous Combustion and Venting Shriek could be applied to un-aggroed Daemonhosts, waking them up."

Here.

Shriek should be safe to use around Daemonhosts. Should.

Ahhhhh, here's the other one!

"Fixed so that shouts that target enemies require a direct line of sight to hit sleeping Daemonhosts. This affects both Veteran talent “Voice Of Command” and Ogryn talent “Loyal Protector”."

[jovial juniper]

I woke up a dh that was upstairs with shout

It woke up
With no health bar on the screen

Then 2 days later Fatshark fixed it

😭

[ripe obsidian]

They fixed it because of you

Your sacrifice saved us all

[humble skiff]

we owe you

[ripe obsidian]

Since you are here, Alyssa

Why were you boosting folks to H40? I heard things like you were trying to prove the system is broken

But I did not hear it from you, so I am curious

I just thought you were doing it to get speedrunning records or something.

[humble skiff]

not trying to prove anything, it was just to help people with resources/cosmetics/penance

[ripe obsidian]

Fair enough

[humble skiff]

planning to do it again just havent rolled into another archyvum yet

[ripe obsidian]

I have no strong opinion on this either way. Other than now I suspect every H40 person who underperforms hard was boosted, ha

[humble skiff]

that suspicion was always there

[ripe obsidian]

This is true

[fallow elm]

whats H40?

[ripe obsidian]

Recency bias

Havoc 40. Hardest mode in the game currently

[humble skiff]

who said that though? and why?

[ripe obsidian]

Just heard it here and there. Not sure who said it specifically.

[humble skiff]

people be spreading misinformation.. crazy world

[ripe obsidian]

And I guess because speedrunning people to H40 draws attention and people want to know why it's happening

I do genuinely wonder how many people get an H40 carry, then think, "That looks easy" because it's someone like you blitzing through it

And then run into the wilds of H40 without a dedicated carry

[plucky flax]

Shriek won't affect dh

I've shouted at them many times.

But obviously the range radius from burga staff would anger it.

[verbal thistle]

KF does though

[ripe obsidian]

the patch for soulblaze from shriek was a couple months ago, ostensibly. The patch about shouts was 2 years ago

[plucky flax]

But kf should not target dh

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, I mixed it up with Wildfire, which has a line in the code not to target sleeping DHs

[plucky flax]

If you just shout at dh

[ripe obsidian]

korrekt

[verbal thistle]

I don't really care anyway. But it's not like this is an isolated event. Being carried is natural in a pve can with high skill ceiling. Speedrunning is just more common since it's really easy

In a sense me doing twins gives everyone that I help HM emblem

Not that it means much

[ripe obsidian]

It's not something worth getting upset about, imo. It's not like ranks in this game matter.

[verbal thistle]

As every emblem and title doesn't mean anything

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly use ranks/titles as a quick way to gauge if inviting someone to an H40 is going to go well or poorly. It's accurate maybe 50% of the time

[fallow elm]

quick question when you say twins are you talking about orthus offensive?

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

I saw your post but I haven't been on lately

When I do and you still need it I can help

[ripe obsidian]

In both of these games, everyone had an H40 clear. No idea on titles.

[fallow elm]

im just riding the struggle buss trying to do it solo rn XD

[ripe obsidian]

78k and 167k damage in a 21 minute game is somethin'

[verbal thistle]

Practice and get a 4 man team and you'll get it eventually

[ripe obsidian]

Does twins hard mode still permakill you if you die?

[verbal thistle]

No

[ripe obsidian]

Weird.

It did when I got the badge

[plucky flax]

It's really easy now.

[verbal thistle]

They opened the jail cell during crafting update iirc

Or havoc release

[plucky flax]

Just go and ress them.

[ripe obsidian]

Weird.

That was the main reason it was difficult, iirc

[verbal thistle]

It was when zealot/vet got ds

[fallow elm]

cant find anybody to play with to do it on hardmode

[verbal thistle]

So crafting update

[fallow elm]

just been rawdogging it with bots XD

[ripe obsidian]

How much harder are twins in hard mode than in H40? I have no frame of reference

[verbal thistle]

It's all fine to wait for a better time. It's graveyard hours for na rn so I don't expect anyone to be running twins

[verbal thistle]

In what context?

1v1?

[ripe obsidian]

What does hard mode even add at this point? More trash mobs?

[verbal thistle]

Or full situation

[ripe obsidian]

Full situation

[plucky flax]

You can't just kill the twin guys.

Have to damage it in chunk.

There are phases to go through.

[verbal thistle]

Twins fight is harder because of the twins bubble share imo. But havoc twins can be difficult depending on special pacing

[ripe obsidian]

I know about the phases, but last time I did orthus twins was before havoc came out

[verbal thistle]

And they attack faster and deal more damage

[ripe obsidian]

Faster/more damage in havoc, yes?

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Gotcha

[plucky flax]

Twins in havoc moment
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1456555041640157336/Desktop_2026.01.02_-_07.49.01.03.mp4?ex=69712dd7&is=696fdc57&hm=ec4e655cd081f9ba607082dd96098041698a34ec374e74fef65c705ccef0b016&

[verbal thistle]

This is why bubble share can make it harder

But not by much

[ripe obsidian]

bullying

[verbal thistle]

I still teach people that the spin sword attack has the same hitbox as a Cspawn grab

Inwards to right to dodge it

[ripe obsidian]

what even did that much damage? FGS poke, scum shivs heavies, vet something?

[plucky flax]

Ogryn with skullcrusher buff.

Just a lot of debuff.

[ripe obsidian]

I honestly did not know that. I mean, I knew about dodging forward and to the right to avoid the grab. Didn't know about the sword hitbox

[plucky flax]

With a high melee damage team.

[verbal thistle]

Applying tox on the bubble applies it to twins when bubble breaks

Same for captains

[ripe obsidian]

I know that. D:

But that should only be 440 base damage per tick

[plucky flax]

Mk6 psword too

[ripe obsidian]

Not 20k of burst

[plucky flax]

So the vet was hitting hard af with skullcruusher

[verbal thistle]

It's only a 20% damage cap

[ripe obsidian]

okay, so massively debuffed twins getting a power sword headpoke, FGS poke, and ded

[verbal thistle]

So shiv heavies with PS pa easily could reach that plus the dots

And fgs

[plucky flax]

Also syllo was playing melee scum so he had rampage.

[verbal thistle]

Looks like 3 attacks plus dots killed rinda

[plucky flax]

A bit more damage too rather than crate.

[ripe obsidian]

I've found that either twin 1v1 isn't terribly challenging. It's more difficult when there are a ton of specials all targeting you and standing still is death

[plucky flax]

My problem is when the shield is down but teammates don't wanna burst the twin for whatever reason.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

People don't like to focus twins because ???

[plucky flax]

Even when I am on burga if there's space I switch to knife to push attack spam twin.

[icy breach]

HOL UP
Recon las has Protector of Tertium skin? Is it new or old?

[plucky flax]

It's cheat mod to give my weapon whatever camo pattern I want.

[icy breach]

Sad

[plucky flax]

That pattern looks super nice on recon las though.

Very cyberpunk.

[icy breach]

I know… thats why i was hyped up…

[plucky flax]

I think it's a twitch drop camo for certain weapon?

FS can learn a lot from the weapon customisation modders.

But of course they won't do it because premium skin $_$

[icy breach]

Yes it is; so far vet, psyker, ogryn got their themed sets while weapons were bolt pistol, boltgun, knife, shock maul, twink, shredder auto

I think i did not miss any

[plucky flax]

Immaculate bubble knight drip
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1441702927889600562/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.11.22_-_08.11.48.02.mp4?ex=6971333b&is=696fe1bb&hm=8ccdc8035839c723d2202b7657236d378709a52fdc75e512d6da722b797024da&

[ornate hamlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1qimlca/is_the_force_greatsword_overrated/ @grok is this true

[acoustic jacinth]

0 upvotes. Oh brother

[ornate hamlet]

Clearly a perfectly balanced post and in no way hiding negative reception

I remember uncanny and slaughterer being a really good combo for the illisi, but I really don't remember it being better at killing stuff like crushers

Even with the ADMs from uncanny strike, I remember it having a low base damage

[acoustic jacinth]

The subreddit is indeed crazy

[jovial juniper]

No no
I agree

Illisi>>>>>

[acoustic jacinth]

By this point i cannot tell if youre deadass or joking

[ornate hamlet]

so true, bestie

[jovial juniper]

Illisi is my goat and I'll never speak ill of it
However
It ain't ranking above FGS
Maybe on mobility but like who cares about mobility

[acoustic jacinth]

That's honestly why i don't run it
If i want to play illisi
I play fgs
If im not playing fgs
Obscurus

🐟

[buoyant maple]

Illisi vs FGS is like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

Most people just don’t understand how mid Illisi actually is

[icy breach]

I would say this;
Doing legit runs & teaching ppl by offering practical solutions, talent/perk/blessing recomendations with explanation and moderate criticism with no ill will/mockery is the best and i do it myself - makes me happy to see ppl improve alot
Boosting ppl to 40 by abusing speedrun strats is not - achieves nothing constructive outside of materials/penances

[icy breach]

With a correct setup it kills well

[icy breach]

Empowered Psionics + Enfeeble + other lil things
Oh and most important piece of every build;
Skill

[warped hollow]

I have the skill

I lack the playstyle for spyker

To used to generating toughness from regular means

[hardy coral]

every smite user ive come across is a somewhat new player that either has an on/off switch, when the smite is off it usually means their downed/dead.

[icy breach]

Smite users give smite a bad name

[warped hollow]

I'm just used to other classes getting toughness from just egaging with basic mechanics

[ripe obsidian]

This is true.

I have learned that H20ish people do not care for freeing teammates from nets.

[warped hollow]

The moment i touch spyker i gotta manage peril for toughnes and use spyker stuff for toughness, which is very differrnt

[icy breach]

Requires 🧠 cause they use 🧠

[ripe obsidian]

I joined an H20-something to goof around on SG Meleeker because I am too tired to play well, and I was saddened to see my team prioritize a single bulwark over freeing me from a net

[icy breach]

Dreadful

[hardy coral]

i use smite on this build only when there's 30 dogs and or bursters i dont want to deal with using melee.

[warped hollow]

Lmao, but yeah. Just a playstyle I'm not familiar with in any game really

Respurce management in a fps is wack

[icy breach]

Could be way better but you have an idea

[ripe obsidian]

Ah well. It was a win in the end, and I got to poke a lot of rotten crushers with my sword

[ripe obsidian]

this is bait. It has to be.

"Oh no, the weapon with like 70% ADM on carapace doesn't have uncanny?!"

[warped hollow]

Psyker is also broken asf

[icy breach]

Knife/Toothpick user mentality

[hardy coral]

its a HS build so the only warp is SG and charged strike, smite itself takes a back seat.

[warped hollow]

I did the smite only build at one point

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone who says Illisi is better than FGS is smoking something

[warped hollow]

I like the regular force sword

[hardy coral]

i enjoy illisi for the attack pattern.

[icy breach]

Atleast you use anticipation which many still don’t do and its oof (one if the best talents btw)