psyker-class

[crude cape]

cool, ya thats the one i think i like too

the heavy -> stab rotation is nice

[alpine nova]

i like it as well

[crude cape]

if im playing a melee psyker with it, do you guys find a stamina curio, or stamina regen perks are needed on curios?

rn im toughness stacking, revive speed, and gunner resist,

i play havoc if that matters

[deft stump]

Personally, curios are just there to help enhance your playstyle.

As long as you have enough HP to not die to 1 boomer, it's all good.

[crude cape]

im rocking 2x 5% hps

and 1x 5% toughness

for that hp cushion

[deft stump]

201 HP baseline.

[crude cape]

i should be at 201 hp for real in meat grinder auric, before going into havoc?

im 165

[deft stump]

Yeah. Or you risk 1 bad burster just killing you.

Not down, just death.

[crude cape]

so you have to run a 21% hp curio that means

i dont think 3x 5%s gets you there?

[deft stump]

And more. Cos 1x 21% is like 189 HP on my build.

[crude cape]

ive not been noticing psykers in h40 hp stacking like that

but i also may not be checking

but ok ty

ive been doing ok in havoc at 165 hp tbh lol

but ill try it

[deft stump]

It depends on how good you are really. If you are really good, you can take the risk.

Otherwise, one missed boomer can mean game over, lul.

[crude cape]

tbh doesnt matter how good you are

[deft stump]

Also depends on the server.

[crude cape]

at some point a silent burster, one pushed back at you by a dog, blown up by a teammate WILL get you

or lag ya

even the best players git got

[deft stump]

I know. Boomers just refusing to be pushed.

[crude cape]

ya or baby boomers i call them

bc they like to roll around on the floor like a baby

instead of blowing up

[deft stump]

Or refusing to ignite next to you so you either need to risk it or waste time waiting for it.

[crude cape]

lol

ill say "fucking baby boomer" to my friends they know it means a burster rollling on the floor who keeps getting up and refuses to be pushed normally

[deft stump]

4 times.

THat's too many in H40.

Karkers also eat like 4x shotpistol bullets.

[crude cape]

hows my build? I use bubble sometimes too instead if team wants. and just play the 'bubble knight' thing
circled nodes im not taking but have seen others take, are they worth?

[ripe obsidian]

I end up with 121 toughness and 106 HP

[crude cape]

i meant 165 in auric meat grinder btw just incase it wasnt clear, not once in h40. I do have an 'inventory stats' mod, and its updated, but seems broken. forever tells me im base stats so i still go into meat grinder to check rn lol

so a 21% curio, and 2x 5% HP puts me at 197.....

gotta run 3x 5%'s huh lol

rip

[deft stump]

It's just a safety net.

You can run with lower.

[ripe obsidian]

I do 3x 17% toughness and 1% 5% HP.

[crude cape]

is sitting st 197 better than what i had, or if im not hitting 201 should i just go back to toughness stacking

[crude cape]

this is what i had but 2x 5% hp with 3x 17% toughness

ill try it this way tho with 200+ hp and see if i like better

i have a feeling i will miss my big toughness pool

[deft stump]

You can take 1 burster with Six's hp. Two will basically kill you.

[frail oar]

100hp is the breakpoint for buster kill right?

[crude cape]

ok with a 21% hp, and 3x 5%'s im at 205 hp

ill try this i guess

toughness is way lower tho 168, it was over 200 before

or just at 200

[deft stump]

Is best to just test and see, in the end, curios is more to how you play.

Some are fine without the net, others need it.

[ripe obsidian]

Nothing will make you safe from 2

Unless you solely stack HP, I guess

[deft stump]

Well, current boomers, yeah. They just got buffed to ungodly lvls.

Like, a part of me feels like you take less damage back in the days if you just got clipped by the edge of it instead of there goes hp bar.

[hearty wolf]

I'm gonna probably go lower than this

I'm thinking of doing all revive speed, all gunner resist

All toughness mayb

Maybe all stamina regen

[wraith sphinx]

all good picks

[hearty wolf]

I wonder how the stamina regen interacts with rampage's negative

[hearty wolf]

It's just gonna be so squishy

Accidentally walk into fire? 💀

[deft stump]

You go to 0 but recover it faster.

[wispy bay]

Barrel fire damage is huge.

Then you have some people in H40 thinking that it is funny to set them off beside teammate...

Then "You are trash" comment after...

[ripe obsidian]

You already are lower HP.

[deft stump]

I mean, with my ping, popping a fire barrel is an instant down.

[hearty wolf]

Yeah but you have -75% stamina recovery speed.

So is it 75% - 12% = 63% or are they multiplied by the stamina regen adding to base which then is reduced by 75%

[hearty wolf]

Really? Jesus fuck. Less than 100 hp feels really scary

I wonder if I die in one snipe atm

I assume I do

That reminds me

I blocked a captain's overhead

Without golden toughness

And it just broke my toughness but no damage bleed through

[deft stump]

Wait, do you mean havoc slows it or just rampage debuff?

[hearty wolf]

Rampage debuff

[ripe obsidian]

You were at 98 HP yesterday.

[deft stump]

I assume enough stamina.

[hearty wolf]

So can I block a mauler overhead 🤔

[hearty wolf]

Really?

[deft stump]

And some perfect block thing.

[hearty wolf]

What the fuck xd

One sec, I need to look at a clip

[ripe obsidian]

Pretty sure. Scum has the same base HP as Psyker

[deft stump]

I could just boot my game and just show you since I always run 3x stam regen with 1x +3 stam. It's still slower though.

[hearty wolf]

I'm almost off work so I'll check but thankies

Still having less hp than what I have

Perhaps I just swap gunner resist with revive

Who needs damage reduction anyway

I think I don't use revive because if I survive then I'm not a problem 🤔

[deft stump]

I just like stam regen heh.

[hearty wolf]

Plus I can farm solo's

[deft stump]

Less fun for others, unless is me in h40. If me being dead is easier for you to finish it faster, I'm okay with it.

[ripe obsidian]

Weird. Could have sworn.

Anyway, I end up with 121 and 106 on Scum, too. Pretty sure it's the same values as Psyker

I use 2x revive speed because it can save games, and each 5% toughness curio is only like 4 toughness

[granite mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cardboard-punch-silly-cat-silly-gif-8249771488252948329

[ripe obsidian]

What's replaced it?

[hardy citrus]

i dont know the name, something when u kill things other stuff gets DR?

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, rampage

That'll be "fun" stacked with rot

[deft stump]

I already grumbled on it. I expect one rot crusher doing a Mr. X.

[plucky flax]

A lot more for single target tbh. Stab every 2nd attack

[hardy citrus]

m6 also has faster access to it

[deft stump]

In general.

[plucky flax]

Hmm? Wdym in general?

When it has equal horde clear and way more heavies spam

[deft stump]

Technically better horde clear till special.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-x-resident-evil-gif-13401849

[deft stump]

Guy just keeps chasing you, refusing to die DIE.

[ripe obsidian]

Per some quick napkin math, a rotten armor rampage crusher will have just under 200% effective HP

So about 20k HP.

Cool.

[frail oar]

Diet plagueryn

[ripe obsidian]

Assuming you hit all breakpoints perfectly

If you do a single big hit, like a t hammer, no such luck

[queen carbon]

Ph gross

[ripe obsidian]

I'd need to test, but it's maybe not possible to one-bop a crusher with thunder hammer now.

Well, probably still possible. Just not easy.

[deft stump]

Nuncio book thundahammer, I guess.

[crude cape]

is there a mod that takes away high peril destroying my ears?

or is part of the balancing and not allowed?

[deft stump]

Check settings.

Peril vfx.

Lower it.

[crude cape]

like the normal game settings?

[deft stump]

Thing isn't just vfx.

It affects the sound as well.

FS quality.

Yes.

It also affects effects of other classes btw.

At least I can confirm it affects zealot's piety keystone.

[ripe obsidian]

It does not seem fun.

It's some Bethesda-ass balancing.

[deft stump]

It's a default one. Can't remember where. Try interface.

[ripe obsidian]

Higher difficulties shouldn't just be enemies doing more damage and taking longer to kill

[deft stump]

But devs love doing it... hell, even nowadays, normal diffs feel bulletspongy in games.

[hearty wolf]

I forget but HP on curios scales better than toughness in Havoc right? Since one is a percentage and the other is flat

[ripe obsidian]

HP is a flat -45, and toughness is a %. Forget exactly what it is

[deft stump]

Uhhh... isn't it the reverse?

-45 toughness, -35% hp on tier 5.

Combine's guide states that.

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, okay

I was mixed up

The reason HP scales better is because the -35% only applies to base HP and applies after boosts.

So the +21% is based on normal HP

But the toughness reduction applies before toughness boosts, so any % increase will be affected

[plucky flax]

Just vibe and take 3x stamina on scum for op attack speed

[deft stump]

Still a massive loss lul. 314 to 245 is alot.

[hearty wolf]

Oh that actually works?

I legit will

I'll take 3* 3 stamina and then pure damage and let's see how long I can survive

[zinc phoenix]

Fingers worn to bloody pulp after that run

[hardy citrus]

Keep swinging moment

[deft stump]

+3 already gets tiring, 12% more aspd... hrm.

[hearty wolf]

Isn't there a cap?

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker has 150 base HP and 100 base toughness (including the small node).

Health curios stay the same with or without the havoc reduction. So 21% should be 31.5 and 5% should be 7.5

Toughness curious go from 17 and 5 to 9.35 and 2.75. Assuming I mathed properly.

So if we're just talking curios, health scales a lot better in Havoc

But toughness has more benefit most of the time

[deft stump]

Yeah, still a big loss.

I'm just wondering why I nolonger have 55 toughness on my zealot.

Is there a forced toughness node now?

[ripe obsidian]

Probably

[deft stump]

I had 80 or something.

[hardy citrus]

Can’t wait until they take a sledgehammer to this for the crimes of fatmangus

[hearty wolf]

Hmm. One thing we don't talk about toughness though is the fact there's no bleed through at 100% anyway.

[deft stump]

Checked, yeah. Forced +25 toughness.

Explains how I don blep from a single shot at times.

[ripe obsidian]

Not worried about melee. Any single melee hit will wipe toughness. But ranged and fire specials and such are directly affected by more toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Fatmangus should stay imo.

[deft stump]

Eh, been running hp maxxing even before that guy did.

[ripe obsidian]

I kind of hate how the response to strong, unique builds is to grind them down to fit the mold until no identity is left.

[deft stump]

Everyone mocked my insanity.

[hearty wolf]

Instead of taking toughess subnodes for 2 toughness tho

What about flamer DR

[ripe obsidian]

I don't take toughness subnodes

[hearty wolf]

I meant curio statz

[ripe obsidian]

I don't

[hearty wolf]

O I see

You mentioned you used 2x rev

[ripe obsidian]

3x CDR, 3x gunner, 2x revive, 1x HP

[deft stump]

I heard they are also worth little on like arby.

[hearty wolf]

Why does everyone run 2x rev and never 3

[ripe obsidian]

The HP gets me over 100 so a burster or sniper can't one-bop me

[deft stump]

In havoc.

[ripe obsidian]

Actual diminishing returns is one reason. The reason for me is that I want over 100 HP

Without 5% HP, I have 98

One burster is an instakill

[hearty wolf]

Oh there's actually diminishing returns with stacking revive speed?

Do you know the timers for a rescue, pulling someone up and reviving from downed?

[ripe obsidian]

Slightly

[deft stump]

I think there was a guide with it.

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3318538305

Kuli knows

Is under the revive speed curio section

[hearty wolf]

I read

[hardy citrus]

It should imo

[summer prairie]

there's also diminishing returns for e.g. reload speed

[plucky flax]

I run 3

Get ppl off ledge faster

[buoyant maple]

A lot of things do actually

[summer prairie]

but the diminishing returns for revive speed barely matters

[buoyant maple]

Reload speed is diminishing

Revive speed is diminishing

Stamina regen is technically diminishing

DR and stamina cost aren’t

[ripe obsidian]

As I said, slightly. It's like 0.06 seconds or something. Not important. It's not that 3x is bad, it's that I want something else more.

[buoyant maple]

Revive speed doesn’t rly matter for freeing nets

It’s mainly for down/ledge

[hearty wolf]

Okay

I'm going to try

3* major stamina
With 3* revive

The rest to be determined

I don't think 12% cdr helps that much with rampage

[buoyant maple]

What’s 3* major stamina

[buoyant maple]

Curio CD reduction also gets diminished by CD rate

[hearty wolf]

Instead of +21% health or 17% toughness

+3*3 so 9

[split lance]

chat

[hearty wolf]

That's 18% attack speed

Ex dee

[split lance]

whats new op electro staff bui;d

with talent tree

[hearty wolf]

With DR idek tho

[split lance]

pls help

its not the same

[buoyant maple]

My curio setup rn is

Vet, psyker, hvs
Toughness, stamina, health
3x toughness
2x gunner
2x health
2x docket/revive

Zealot (normal), arb
Toughness, stamina, toughness
3x toughness
2x gunner
2x health
2x docket/revive

Zealot (martyr)
Wound, stamina, wound
3x toughness
2x gunner
2x bomber
2x docket/revive

Ogryn
Toughness, toughness, toughness
3x toughness
2x gunner
2x health
2x docket/revive

[split lance]

i just need talent tree i assume weapon builds are the same

[hearty wolf]

Looking at Kuli's guide, there wasn't much of a difference stacking 1 or 2 gunner resistance

Was effectively 3% (?)

[buoyant maple]

It’s not diminishing actually

DR doesn’t diminish

[hearty wolf]

So it's additive with itself?

So if you somehow got 5 of those, you'd just be invincible to gunners?

[buoyant maple]

No

Multiplicative DR is not diminishing

It looks like it is but it functionally isn’t

[hearty wolf]

Oh right I see what you're saying.

[buoyant maple]

Every x80% DR is giving u x125% your previous effective hitpoints

[hearty wolf]

That's really good value

[buoyant maple]

Just like how u can write x0.8^3 to make it look like it’s diminishing, you can also write it as x1.25^3 to make it look like it gets more value the more u stack

But it’s the same thing

It’s just how multiplication works

[hearty wolf]

Also you using 4 curios xd?

Oh my god

My brain

It's so small

Ignore me, I don't know what's happening

That's so embarassing

@ripe obsidian @plucky flax @summer prairie game?

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[plucky flax]

I am about to drive home so no

[hearty wolf]

You don't play while driving?

[summer prairie]

No time

[hearty wolf]

So I have traded 5% max hp and 20% gunner DR for 2* revive speed.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/good-deal-damn-good-deal-inglourious-basterds-gif-9641888780287763794

[ripe obsidian]

1x is 25% more effective HP against gunners. 2x is like 55%. 3x is like 93%.

I have that in my guide. Forget the exact numbers

[hearty wolf]

I can feel the difference between 2 and 3

it's

From "invincbible" to "can die" again

[radiant frigate]

drain bamage

[clear stag]

^ I like your name. Force greatsword makes brain happi

[verbal thistle]

Nice pfp

Reminds me of my friend's art style

[spice aurora]

how do I use obscurus do you heavy light repeat or heavy light light if you need a stab for easy headshot through any part of them

Idk

And is it just H2 light repeat for killing trash

I used it once in beta and once a few days ago and wow it smacks xD

[weary crane]

I found officer nate higgerson

https://tenor.com/view/thundercock-officer-bodycam-off-chad-thundercock-jarik-gif-5545953348826508263

[verbal thistle]

Heavy light light for single target

Light heavy loop for horde

[spice aurora]

Carapace is also H L L?

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

[spice aurora]

Noice

The one game I used I was like I’m p sure this is better than fgs xD

[verbal thistle]

Easily can be

Only downside is the horde clear

Other then that it moves faster has more dodges and faster time to block

And a better blessing pool

[spice aurora]

Oh yea what blessings do you use anyway I had choice paralysis

If not using flame staff

[verbal thistle]

I use uncanny slaughter

Debating on unstable instead of slaughter for rot armor

[spice aurora]

I was thinking of trying superiority for rotten and slaughter otherwise

[verbal thistle]

There are times I need to take it slow and can't stack slaughter fast enough

[spice aurora]

O yea forgot about unstable

Prolly unstable at least that’s a consistent 20%

[verbal thistle]

Yesh

[clear stag]

Thank you thank you (:

[verbal thistle]

My psyker

[clear stag]

Hell yaaaa

[verbal thistle]

Grey color scheme art always seems to hit different

[clear stag]

We love the blue raspberry shards... mm

[verbal thistle]

Assail gaming

[spice aurora]

I was using assail with obscurus that one game, very naaaise

[clear stag]

Mhm. I've also enjoyed it a lot on heresy, at least

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. But a red gunner'll still shred you.

[minor wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ngtb2af8U0U
My psyker in my headcanon:

[ripe obsidian]

But FGS has the Big Poke.

[spice aurora]

Obscurus has small poke xD

I just want an excuse to use a blitz, with fgs and my EK I literally never use my blitz except assail because swapping to assail for one throw and swapping back is an instant 10% peril to stay high peril, and I may randomly upkeep MM doing that without micro’ing MM too hard xD

Obscurey I can at least spam assail and get trash out the way, body blocking little bastards

[ripe obsidian]

Obscurus doesn't feel as fun to use. I like big weapons that make me feel like a lunatic.

[hardy citrus]

Is slaughter more reliable on melee setups then?

[deft stump]

Slaughter relies on getting kills. Rot means nothing dies fast enough.

Cos it's just waves and waves of armoured bs.

[hardy citrus]

I meant vs unstable

I’ve played enough rot to last a lifetime (literally any rot, ever)

[deft stump]

Unstable just needs you to generate peril somehow.

With fgs, the stroke and swing counts.

Or just scriers.

That's literally near free damage.

[hardy citrus]

Yeah I know this

What I’m saying is, unstable fs slaughterer

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark hears you. Now rot is both modifiers. It stacks.

[deft stump]

Rotten rotters.

[hardy citrus]

If they did that I don’t think the mission would actually be completeable

It would simply take too long

[deft stump]

DoT only.

[hardy citrus]

You would actually pass out before you got through it

[ripe obsidian]

Rotten enemies now take 75% * 75% reduced damage when above 90% HP.

Which means they take 6.25% damage

[deft stump]

4 scum with needlers and chems or bust.

[ripe obsidian]

And all lesser non-ranged enemies are replaced with crushers, maulers, and ragers.

All rotten crushers, all the time.

Have fun.

[hardy citrus]

The meta would unironically turn into full movement scum so u can run past everything and just do objs

You would end up kiting like ur playing zombies LOL

[deft stump]

So speedrunning.

[hardy citrus]

I mean you’d never be able to kill them so yep

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I wouldn't hate it. Would be more interesting than standing in the same fucking room for 10 minutes because your teammates won't move forward

[hardy citrus]

This is just rotten anyway

I hate rotten so much

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[hardy citrus]

So so much

[deft stump]

Can't move if door is blocked by congaline of rot crushers.

[jovial juniper]

Rotten Armor is a psyop to sell more hive scum

[ripe obsidian]

The worst is Chasm Logistratum, the subway tunnels after the mid event. I think that area has increased spawns or something. Enemies never stop.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[hearty wolf]

I literally died to it the other run ya

One cooked me from behid

[ripe obsidian]

And I'm just silently screaming as my team stands at the bottom of the stairs and fights the 18th wave of crushers

[hearty wolf]

But I am on a win spree

found a very cool group of girls

[hardy citrus]

Half the time u can’t even push into it tho that’s the issue

[ripe obsidian]

Girls? The only gender here is Sibling.

[hearty wolf]

One is a sibling, one is a filthy scum

I still call her sister, begrudingly

[hardy citrus]

Let’s be real

You’re all abominations

Protocol is the only reason I be suffering ye’ to live

[ripe obsidian]

I've been running Trauma for that reason. I knock things over. Keep moving.

[deft stump]

Zealot mains is round the corner.

[ripe obsidian]

Worse is when I play BtL Arby but everyone is too afraid to be near the crushers

So I sit there trying to dodge everything that the hyperstacked armor is throwing at me

Until oops, a mauler clipped into the crusher and I couldn't see the overhead

[hardy citrus]

Yep I love getting overheaded by a crusher I can’t even see because of the 5 other crushers

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know enough of game design to know how to make the difficulty interesting without just more bullet sponge DPS checks

But my first idea is better map design and objectives

As in, VT2 design.

Hell, the new map does it well.

Good pacing, good mix of open spaces and tight corridors, arena fight at the end.

Adjust your play to meet the specific room.

Unlike, for example, Ascension Riser that is 90% enormous open spaces

That map is hell.

Opening section is the massive walkway. You get shot to pieces. Then the first subway tunnel. Then the mid event is an enormous box...

[modest perch]

that mid event is so ass

[frail oar]

I think only logistratum wipes me more

The drop down before the trains is so brutal

[ripe obsidian]

It's the worst map in the game and it isn't close.

[modest perch]

that room on its own elevates ass riser to the supreme pantheon elder shit tier maps

although i wouldnt discount comms plex as a strong contender

[deft stump]

Everyone forgets Silo.

[ripe obsidian]

Comms plex is just boring.

[modest perch]

and refinery

[deft stump]

Till they get gunner sniper seed silo.

[frail oar]

I feel like its easier to push through in silo and refinery

[modest perch]

the mid event is actual torture tho. basically mandatory bubble/stealth

[ripe obsidian]

Logistratum wouldn't be so bad if the killing spots weren't so deep into the map

[modest perch]

and poxbursters camping the doorway right next to the elevator

[ripe obsidian]

Like, spend 25+ minutes in an easy enough game until everything happens at once

[frail oar]

No mans land histg has been ridiculous for me the last few times

[modest perch]

yea logi is hard but it doesnt feel like an endless series of cheapshots

[ripe obsidian]

The mid event is bad because of forced ranged elite spawns. Someone has to sit opposite the console and kill them.

[modest perch]

i leave if i load into that mess

[frail oar]

Some of the open areas feel impassable

[ripe obsidian]

I like No Man's Land a lot. It's one of the best maps in the game, up with Sycorax

[deft stump]

Is no man land. I hate trying to clutch it. Either too open or too tight.

[modest perch]

also evil door camping the res

[deft stump]

I either get shot from everywhere or literally have no space to dodge.

[hearty wolf]

MOTHERFUCKER

[modest perch]

how could u sully barkivums good name by mentioning it in the same sentence

[frail oar]

I feel like audio is bad on no man too I had a rager pack sneak up on me while retreating that immediately broke my block no audio cue

[hearty wolf]

I just did comms plex

and like

You summoned it back into existence

I blame you

[modest perch]

love getting stuck on the janky map geometry as an ogryn

whole map feels like they said hey fuck ogryns in particular

[frail oar]

That too the shell holes are fucked

You'd think it'd be a reprieve from the gunners a mile away but you just get stuck

[deft stump]

Fuck anyone who needs to slide around or die as well.

[modest perch]

lol theyre too shallow to rly provide much cover anyways

[deft stump]

Many janky tiny stones that stop shit.

[frail oar]

There's some bad spots on logistratum that have gotten me killed too

[deft stump]

Corners you cannot mantle or jump.

[ripe obsidian]

I will agree that the geometry is really bad in the open spaces. I have lost more than once to getting stuck on a random bit of scenery

[wraith sphinx]

aint no way 💀

[deft stump]

You mean, a 1 cm sized stone on the ground.

[ripe obsidian]

Eh?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Maybe I am just biased because we are so fucking starved for new content that even a single short map is ambrosia.

Fatshark pls. One map a quarter. That's not too much to ask

[weary crane]

Why is power matrix always a fuck fest at the start?

[ripe obsidian]

How much do you count as the start?

[deft stump]

That map? The whole thing is a nightmare. IDK how ppl even solo it.

[ripe obsidian]

Power Matrix is one of the maps I dislike, mostly due to the section where you drop down then have to ascend 3 floors

It's a slog.

Then the post-mid event drop tends to kill runs

[deft stump]

Bad DH spot as well.

[weary crane]

Right at the start of power matrix with the different levels, it always spams bosses for me

[ripe obsidian]

Man, I think about VT2 and how many maps I like. Then I think about DT and how many maps I dislike.

[white sky]

Vt2 just has better and more creative maps

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[white sky]

Benefit of not being in a hive ig

Prettier to look at too

[ripe obsidian]

3grim5dark in the hive

[hearty wolf]

i died in comms plex

[ripe obsidian]

Because there are like 3 boss triggers that are super easy to trigger at once because of weird pathing stuff, and because the first bout of weakened bosses doesn't work properly.

[hearty wolf]

to geometry

[ripe obsidian]

There's some bug that the trigger for weakened bosses doesn't go on cooldown until pacing starts, or something like that

So if you get a weakened boss in the first ~5 minutes of the game, it doesn't stop more from spawning, and it's like a 10% chance per special spawn

Most I have had was twins, a captain, 1 regular boss, and 3 or 4 weakened bosses in the first part of power matrix. I have a screenshot somewhere. We didn't win.

[ripe obsidian]

Did you deserve it?

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I split away from remaining teammates to go for a res with a single crusher on it which forced me down a staircase into a rager pack

I didn't care cos I was gonna throw a blackout but

They actually killed me before I threw it

Which has never happened to me before

[ripe obsidian]

What build are you using at the moment?

Tree and stimm

I assume the 3 stacks of toxin on grenades? Is that enough to kill anything, or just chip damage?

[hearty wolf]

Nah I use melee

Like

I literally use melee for everything

If there's like 30 rot pack mobs, I will switch to stimm pistol if we're going to lose

I use stimm pistol for bosses too

I'm running melee even into blight and don't give a shit

It's by far the most engaging way to play although a little stressful with how aggressive you can be. I'm usually a room ahead of teammates killing gunners and the like and seeing if I can deal with them in whatever room without kiting back

[ripe obsidian]

3 stacks of toxin on grenades is a talent I saw you had picked yesterday

[hearty wolf]

I have it mainly to use on a horde or immediate CC - on horde for getting my stimm back

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, that is what I asked earlier. Is 3 stacks enough to kill anything on its own?

[hearty wolf]

I...think so?

It's so hard to tell when there's soulblaze and I'm attacking at 400 swings per second

[ripe obsidian]

I'm just wondering if it's better than the 25% weakspot talent that you don't seem to be using

Or weren't yesterday

That talent feels mandatory for me on melee shivs, since their finesse modifier is so high

[hearty wolf]

@summer prairie Mr Syllo, I value your imput for the above

How much damage are we actually getting with that talent tho

And more importantly, does it change any H40 breakpoints?

I literally do not use heavy attacks on anything that isn't a crusher btw

I use lights on bosses

heavies on captains cos of their damage limit too actually

Maulers I used lights on the flak

[ripe obsidian]

My pure melee build is something like this with a CDR stimm

[hearty wolf]

Interesting! No right side.

I don't need pickpocket, I very rarely run out of ammo

[ripe obsidian]

I don't see a point in the right side on a melee build. The toxin is so minimal. Could drop pickpocket I guess to get 2 nodes on the right

But I don't see the point. Everything but a boss dies before you get more than 1-2 stacks

[hearty wolf]

I think it's good just to keep toxin at max stacks plus it does 10% more

If anything does survive one hit and you kill it, your stimm is -2% closer to off CD

[ripe obsidian]

I don't need the stimm up that often though

[hearty wolf]

Which is 2% closer to 15% crit and a shit ton if attack and movement speed

You use CDR stimm ya?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah

But it's so hard to lose Rampage unless you aren't hitting enemies

It's often back up by the time I need it again

20ish seconds of Rampage cooldown + however long of Rampage itself

[hearty wolf]

I find the same without CDR stimm

Or I have a small 10s gap which I can use blackouts or needle pistol to cover

[ripe obsidian]

I was using the last point for Adrenaline stacks on kill, since it gives like 15 stacks on an elite kill, but it makes it slightly harder to keep up when fighting bosses

[hearty wolf]

That's why I don't use it. It doesn't necessarily improve adrenaline

it's like a sidegrade for a skill point

The 20s duration has more use imo

[ripe obsidian]

I might just put the last point into rending on rampage

The subnodes I have on Adrenaline are double duration and toughness regen

[hearty wolf]

Rending on shivs ain't so bad, 60% pen normally iirc

[ripe obsidian]

Without Uncanny it's 50% on flak, 5% carapace, 60% unyielding, 70% maniac

On LMB at least

[hearty wolf]

Er

ye - but also like rending on HEAVY

not liughts

Or did we misinterpret each other

I was still talking about that rampage node

[ripe obsidian]

I was talking about shivs in general

[hearty wolf]

Ah gotcha

[ripe obsidian]

Saying rending on rampage is maybe worth it

[hearty wolf]

50% on flak is actual dogshit wow

If the rending applied to lights, it might be good

[ripe obsidian]

It does.

Oh

No

It doesn’t

My mistake

[hearty wolf]

Ye that's what I was on about

[ripe obsidian]

I have actually never used that node. I did not realize it was so bad

Heavy stab is 75% Flak, 80% Unyielding, 90% Maniac, 50% Carapace

Maybe I'd just take the 2nd cleave node.

[hearty wolf]

The cleave node is probably alright

[ripe obsidian]

The toxin on crit node just doesn't seem great for much the same reason blazing melee isn't great. It's only really good for upkeep of stacks on bosses unless you're using a big stimm and need the cooldown on it

[hearty wolf]

I do agree but upkeep on bosses is important to me because in a given game

I'm never going to beat a psyker in horde clear if they press F

So it makes sense to build towards boss killing

Deleting bosses gives them the most room

[ripe obsidian]

I've had good melee scum players keep up with me for overall damage. Even horde clear if they just crabwalk to the enemies before I can get close

[hearty wolf]

Idk how

I was doing more damage than my shriek psyker the past game

But we had 11 bosses

and I solo killed most of them

[ripe obsidian]

It's not easy to do more damage than a competent shriek Psyker, but it's possible if you kill everything quickly enough

It is easy to outdamage a bubble psyker

[hearty wolf]

The thing is, doing this means you're probably going ahead

which is sort of griefing because of the potential danger you can get yourself into

[summer prairie]

I think the weakspot damage node is better for shivs than e.g. 20% crit on dodge

Uptime for that doesn't seem too good

[frail oar]

Better for dclaw too imo

[hearty wolf]

Oh it isn't? I ought to double check

It's interesting you compare it to FLAB rather than the side tree

[summer prairie]

not sure what you were considering dropping

[hearty wolf]

I think we were talking about not taking any of the right side tree for melee because it's "weak"

compared to just putting points somewhere else i.e left side for weakpoint

[summer prairie]

I don't know what else I would take with the 3 points, +1 blitz is pretty good already, especially if you get to take all the pickups

[hearty wolf]

Weakspot damage, the extra cleave

[summer prairie]

+1 blitz is +33% blitz damage, pretty big

[hearty wolf]

and maybe stamina on dodge to offset the rampage - in a way that's direct damage since your attk speed is down until you get stamina back

[hearty wolf]

from 5 to 6 blackouts?

[summer prairie]

well no, but I don't take blackouts with anything

[hearty wolf]

Oh

OH

I mean, do you take toxin on nades for the rocket? or purely chem grenades?

[summer prairie]

I don't take Pocket Toxin, don't think it works well with anything besides blackouts

but I barely tested that on like day 1 of dlc

[hearty wolf]

I am using blackouts for now

Maybe I gotta swap to rockets

[ripe obsidian]

Rockets are very strong for crusher blobs

Soup can is what zealot fire grenade wishes it could be

Amazing damage, broken ADMs, and enemies that die to it explode for AOE damage

I like the soup can because I feel it gives me more control of a situation by turning one direction into a largely safe area. But rockets are an immediate space maker

[hearty wolf]

I think I might swap to it then

I'm currently using blackouts to bail me out

But now that they didn't bail me out of my latest situation

I'm angry

[ripe obsidian]

I guess you could do something like this?

[hearty wolf]

Rockets fit my personality better anyway

Lets see

[ripe obsidian]

With rockets or soup, whichever

[hearty wolf]

I think I'd drop the 5% toughness on adrenaline

[shrewd sand]

So lightning staff is having a bit of a resurgence huh?

[summer prairie]

I think the rampage shout isn't that good, not much value on average.

[hearty wolf]

It provides a safety net when it ends which isn't terrible. 2 heavy staggers ain't bad? Even if a bit inconsistent

at least it's a stagger on start which is consistent

[shrewd sand]

I was about to say, the get off me aspect is never terrible

[ripe obsidian]

LMB has always been good. RMB continues to be bugged and weak in Havoc.

[shrewd sand]

Bugged?

What's bugged about it

[ripe obsidian]

I like it. It's not as reliable as many shouts, but it can get a dog off of you

[ripe obsidian]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/incorrect-finesse-multiplier-on-electrokinetic-staff/112098

TLDR: crits do 25-30% less damage than they should because a line of code is outside of brackets.

[hearty wolf]

I guess Syllo has a point though

Scum does have some insane nodes to pick from

[shrewd sand]

Oh. That sounds like an easy fix...

[ripe obsidian]

It is.

[shrewd sand]

Bruh

[ripe obsidian]

It would take seconds to copy+paste

Cut+paste*

[shrewd sand]

Fatshark wtf

[ripe obsidian]

It likely won't be fixed until they make a more major change to the staff.

Why? No idea. Their workflow confuses me.

[shrewd sand]

Workwreck

[hearty wolf]

They're still supporting V2 aren't they?

[shrewd sand]

Ain't no flow

[hearty wolf]

And I assume space marines 2?

[shrewd sand]

I didnt think Fatshark had anything to do with SM2

Yeah they dont

[shrewd sand]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark isn't SM2. They support VT2 more than DT.

[fickle swallow]

So I haven't played the game for over a year and am looking to return. I heard at some point there was an extremely overtuned psyker meta which was electro LMB spam build. Is it still the case rn?

[shrewd sand]

Which is really sad

[ripe obsidian]

LMB EK is a strong build. It's not as strong as when quell canceling existed.

[modest perch]

nah that got nuked. the whole thing relied on a macro that made it more like a machine gun than a staff

[ripe obsidian]

My theory is that their senior and experienced staff refuse to work on Darktide and continue to work on their baby of VT2. Or maybe even VT3, now that Skaven are in Age of Sigmar...

[modest perch]

mfw ppl ask for beam staff are the same ones who complained about it when we had it

[ripe obsidian]

So the folks supporting DT are floundering with a bad engine

[hearty wolf]

How do I explain this

Even though the maps are better in VT

I do think DT is a lot better

Even though I give it plenty of shit

like if they fixed darktide, that'd be super cool

I think just an audio fix alone at this point would make me so happy

[shrewd sand]

I like Darktides gameplay a lot more but VT's maps are way better

[radiant frigate]

they knew darktide would be unstoppable if it worked

MAYFLIES

[fickle swallow]

Thanks! Yeah I'm not really a fan of using staff as a gun. So what's the current status of voidstrike and voidblast staves builds?

[shrewd sand]

There is SO MUCH they could do with Tertium, including the upper hive and under hive. Every chaos God is prevalent in a hive city so why are we only seeing Nurgles ass

[radiant frigate]

pros of darktide:

• the psyker class
  pros of vermintide:
• infinitely better use of alix wilton regan

[hearty wolf]

Can't wait for EK to get a railgun

[ripe obsidian]

DT is tighter mechanically and should have very broad appeal. It has great visual design, great banter, unmatched gameplay, and is set in one of the most popular sci-fi settings. But mismanagement, poor out-of-gameplay stuff (crafting, map rotation, demotion, etc.), and lack of content means it just can't keep attention.

This is not counting bugs.

[hearty wolf]

Staff special that does something

[radiant frigate]

iron arm spell as a melee weapon that allows you to punch the everloving fuck out of heretics

[ripe obsidian]

Nurgle is the most visually interesting in a way that has broad appeal. That's it. Can't do Slaanesh because boobs, Khorne is just angry guys, and Tzeentch is too lovecraftian

[radiant frigate]

if you want slaanesh there's other games for that (e.g. cyberpunk)

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast is very strong at all levels of play. Has a few build paths worth exploring.

Voidstrike struggles at higher difficulties due to a series of nerfs as well as enemy health getting boosted. Still usable, but very outclassed.

[radiant frigate]

i like to jokingly say that 40k and cyberpunk are basically the same setting

[modest perch]

the visual design hard carries most maps tbh

[radiant frigate]

banter good too

[hearty wolf]

This sums it up perfectly. I really can't believe there isn't a horde based game that is as fun.

It's like they have some unique

like how

[ripe obsidian]

Incredibly passionate and skilled combat designers.

I have no issue with Fatshark's devs. They aren't the problem.

Management is.

[radiant frigate]

a certain je ne sais quoi

essence du fatsharque

[ripe obsidian]

https://youtu.be/ZVdBZeCpXAM?si=i9DleOxE8uiyp9DR

[hearty wolf]

2nd time i've read that today

[shrewd sand]

Yeah but this isnt left 4 dead, its warhammer. If slaanesh is a problem, cover them a little in decadent rags such as the rich would be in, because thats where Slaanesh's influence lies. Khorn sure is a bunch of angry guys but there's a bunch of different demons and followers of Khorn. And Tzeentch... so?

[ripe obsidian]

This video talks about the combat design at length

[fickle swallow]

Good to know that my old soulblaze blast build could still work. I'm literally downloading the game back lol

[hearty wolf]

Tbh it's not a surprise hearing someone use the phrase and it being you, kat

[ripe obsidian]

I have a ton of builds in the pinned guide.

I'm planning on going over them again this week to do some tweaking based on played experience

[radiant frigate]

what makes you say that

[shrewd sand]

Not to mention the numerous other gangs and other horrible things you can find in the under hive

[hearty wolf]

You have a certain elegance to you.

[shrewd sand]

Tertium is 3 hives cobbled together, something awful is festering under the corpse of this hive city

[ripe obsidian]

This isn't me complaining. I like Lovecraftian and boobs and comically angry guys. But I am speaking from a perspective of mass appeal and getting past censors.

[ripe obsidian]

A certain elf-egance, even.

[shrewd sand]

Yeah but Warhammers mass appeal is all that shit

[fickle swallow]

Will read! I was relying on Pygex's steam guide back in my time playing the game, but Pygex seems lacking the time to update it in the past year

[shrewd sand]

And yeah I wasnt acting like you were complaining

[modest perch]

yea but nurgle works best for a zombie horde stand in n without a bunch of perversion slaanesh would rly feel lame. like what are they just gonna make every enemy dress like liberace ?

[shrewd sand]

Again, this isnt left 4 dead

[modest perch]

and tzeentch just wouldnt work at all. hed be more suited for a puzzle game

[ripe obsidian]

Pygex hasn't updated for a while. His work is commendable, but he also got a lot of shit from people about his builds. I don't blame him for stopping. It was a lot of thankless work

That's why I made my guide, because the community was lacking a resource

[shrewd sand]

Tzeentch is the god of scheming... everyone schemes in a hive city

His influence is very much felt

[modest perch]

trv

[shrewd sand]

Khorn rules the under hive, Nurgle is all lower hive, Tzeentch is fucking everywhere and Slaanesh is upper hive

[ripe obsidian]

It's also an issue of hordes versus powerful enemies. Most depictions of Tzeentch and Slaanesh stuff is daemons and powerful sorcerers. Not that balance means anything when we're killing burgles

[radiant frigate]

why thank you, i do try my best

[fickle swallow]

Yeah I couldn't imagine how much effort Pygex put into fatshark's hidden mechanics/bug investigation for that guide

[shrewd sand]

We are killing Plague Ogryns... I think the issue of power scaling was thrown out the window long ago

[ripe obsidian]

I know

My understanding is also that GW has the final say on basically every change they make

[shrewd sand]

Yeah ik

And fuck gw

[modest perch]

pfft and demonhosts pretty regularly

[radiant frigate]

vraks infantry autogun is a named character, we're just along for the ride

[shrewd sand]

Lol

[zealous wing]

and force greatsword

[ripe obsidian]

Kuli is the once and future tech priest of hidden mechanics. I highly recommend his guides. I have pinned them, and they're linked in my build guide.

[shrewd sand]

I'm just saying, if GW doesnt let Fatshark do some more creative shit, the true potential of this game will never be unlocked

[modest perch]

i still think a plaguebearer would be a cool boss

[shrewd sand]

The entire hive city is literally covering 150k square miles, not mentioning its height and depth

[ripe obsidian]

Khorn would be easy to implement in the current game format, but I am not sure how visually interesting they would be, and it would be a lot of work. From a management perspective, "Will this sell copies/cosmetics?"

[shrewd sand]

Absolutely it would

Its Khorn

[ripe obsidian]

Aren't there plaguebearer skulls on some maps?

[modest perch]

yea i believe so

[ripe obsidian]

Seems like someone in management disagrees.

[shrewd sand]

Yeah well they are ran by a committee, not people that actually know what they are talking about

[modest perch]

theres all kinds of whacky shit out there. one of the ogryn penance cosmetics has a tyranid tail on it

[radiant frigate]

simply bring a full carapace ogryn rager and make it red

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I work in tech. Decision by committee is a large part of my annoyance day to day

[shrewd sand]

Money speaks louder than actual knowledge

[ripe obsidian]

Decision by committee is why indie games are so much more unique than AAA games. AAA, or even some AA, shove down creativity in favor of safety and sales.

[shrewd sand]

^

They want to be so safe instead of actually having a cool game

[radiant frigate]

"i propose a change that makes it so things are worse than before because the previous system is working somewhat okay and i get paid to propose changes"

[ripe obsidian]

Every so often you get an artist with total control, like Kojima or Miyazaki, and they make brilliant, interesting games.

[modest perch]

are you john microsoft ?

[ripe obsidian]

But they are exceptions to the rule

[shrewd sand]

But Sony only recently acquired them

So we dont even actually know about that whole deal

[ripe obsidian]

Like, Death Stranding is fucking absurd. It's amazing it ever got greenlit. But it's unique and compelling, even if it does lack broad appeal

[radiant frigate]

indeed
upgrade to windows 11 and use copilot NOW ⚡

[shrewd sand]

This is why I play The Finals. No bs, just Embark doing their thing

[ripe obsidian]

The company I work for needs a reason to keep their building management team employed, so my office has been moved like 3 times in the last 3 years. I mean moved between buildings, all within a mile of each other.

[shrewd sand]

Bruh

[ripe obsidian]

Because ???

[shrewd sand]

Money done did speak

Thats why

[radiant frigate]

i do not say this lightly, but

bruh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841646619647803394/1177640310675865610/buh.gif?ex=65733e01&is=6560c901&hm=df5d57d0647d2f1d9c1d9684746b7915a30944ba7af1e6631e12e9cd29ef3c91&

[shrewd sand]

[ripe obsidian]

There are not a lot of studios with large budgets that are comfortable taking risks

Larian is one notable example

Meanwhile you get, like, EA execs saying that single player games are dead.

We had Bioware for a while, but they've fallen apart

Blizzard has gone rancid.

Bethesda... I am mixed on.

Obsidian's still decent, I think.

Doesn't help that Tencent has a majority stake at Fatshark

[hardy citrus]

bethesda have always been the way they are now

that's the thing

it's always been half finished games that the modders fix for them

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I worked there.

Nothing exciting, just IT. But I still experienced the death threats. =)

[hardy citrus]

what do we think on shred vs riposte?

i might just go riposte because it's more crit faster

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer Shred. On-dodge talents feel unreliable to me

[frail oar]

Reasons for both riposte fits the way I play. If you're playing with a taunt ogryn for example shred takes the edge.

[radiant frigate]

i like riposte

6s good

not a fan of the windup and ease of dropping on shred

mind you this is entirely feelscraft

[zealous wing]

its also definitely a playstyle preference

i prefer shred, i tried riposte and i dont feel like my playstyle gets me a lot of uptime on it vs shred

[hardy citrus]

ok first try in a run with fgs

the lights feel kinda... blegh

but once u have scriers going and shit it really doesnt matter u have so much damage u just kill shit

meleeker completely fucks elites up

[ripe obsidian]

The light chain on Mk VI is kinda bleh, yeah. Heavies are very satisfying and the warp slash is fantastic

[hardy citrus]

all the force blades have felt absolutely amazing into armour

[ripe obsidian]

All except poor Illisi, in my experience

[hardy citrus]

we dont talk about illisi

[ripe obsidian]

When I was first playing Psyker, I used Illisi and Voidstrike

[hardy citrus]

I wanted to use trauma

i still do actually i really should get one and start using it

im currently levelling laspistol as i level fgs though

[ripe obsidian]

Trauma has been my stick this Havoc season

Fire trauma + Shriek feels good

[hardy citrus]

yeah because everything is fucking ROTTEN

FUCK ROTTEN

[ripe obsidian]

Agreed.

[ornate hamlet]

I retried obscurus and deimos recently

[hardy citrus]

rotten on modifiers

psword krak vet it is. again.

[ornate hamlet]

Deimos honestly felt like just a better obscurus

[hardy citrus]

i might start using deimos on rotten

Obscurus is better but takes some learning

[ornate hamlet]

Normalize actually smooth horde combos

[hardy citrus]

u need to learn how to get the uppercut to hit weakspot

[spice aurora]

Deimos def helps with overhead burden

[hardy citrus]

yeah being able to poke crushers onto the floor is nice

[spice aurora]

And stabs hit weakspots through enemy backs and shit which is nice xD

[hardy citrus]

headshot priority is pretty common on most stabs that ive seen

[ornate hamlet]

and how is YOUR suffering with psyker going so far?

[spice aurora]

I’m pretty sure all stabs hit weakspots if the crosshair is over wherever the weakspot is, like in front of BoNs hitting backs too if its long enough

[hardy citrus]

i use mk2 relic, ive already learned how to make it work

[ornate hamlet]

Skill success

[spice aurora]

Do you just aim above the head idk

[hardy citrus]

yep pretty much

relic mk2 uppercut has a horizontal offset too

it's not too bad

but it can be sometimes

[ornate hamlet]

At the moment I'm enjoying my gun psyker

[hardy citrus]

that's what an ogryn weakspot looks like kids

[spice aurora]

xD

A small tap on the shoulder

[ornate hamlet]

In shadows, retribution ...

[hardy citrus]

poke

[ripe obsidian]

Sneaky stabby, yes-yes

[hearty wolf]

stab detected

stabstabstab

[ripe obsidian]

Why do Ogryn and Zealot have a knock back on being hit ability and Psyker doesn't?

I feel like it would fit best for Psyker.

Though it might be imbalanced

Unbalanced?

Lacking balance. Clumsy.

[fickle swallow]

I saw a video saying the duelling sword is not only more powerful overall, but also has higher single target DPS after the damage nerf in Sep 2025 patch. I wonder what makes that happen?

[frail oar]

Talent changes

[fickle swallow]

Hmm

[ornate hamlet]

Inebriated

[ripe obsidian]

That's certainly a take.

I honestly don't use it enough to know

But that sword is almost never used anymore that I see

[viscid matrix]

That’s a gunker

[viscid matrix]

But it’s even better now with the parry and riposte special

[storm mauve]

I think I got the blessings down, but hwhat are the best perks for Inferno Staff?

[ripe obsidian]

Flak + Unyielding or Flak + Crit Chance

I use the former.

[ripe obsidian]

Is it? I haven't seen one in ages.

[fickle swallow]

Yeah I saw a lot of psyker players talking about the DS getting stronger despite fatshark's patch with intent to nerf it

It was my favorite weapon against hordes of mutants and crushers

[ornate hamlet]

gunky boi

[frail oar]

Force swords and the greatsword are also awesome into muties and crushers.

[fickle swallow]

Okay I see after the weapon system revamp, all my saved blessings were gone. And I also have to build up the new weapon masteries from scratch

[frail oar]

Its not too grindy to level them

[fickle swallow]

Hopefully lol

[frail oar]

Love the Kung fu hustle avatar

[fickle swallow]

Oh actually not from scratch. Apparently my old saved blessings were converted to some mastery progresses

[fickle swallow]

What's the best perk for duelling sword now in addition to uncannny? Still shred?

[modest perch]

riposte/precog

[alpine nova]

even with the 2 defensive perks at the start of the tree i still finding myself dying to hordes

i must be doing something wrong with dodge and blocks

[radiant frigate]

shoutout to comically large greatsword backstabs
gotta be one of my favorite moves

[radiant frigate]

perils of the warp...

if idira can knock down half my party with perils then i'm sure my siblings can do it too

[ripe obsidian]

You're perilous

[radiant frigate]

can't i just have a little peril

[thick delta]

get your back to a wall, i'm new and what i found from watching the good players is that they are using the railings, walls, etc to limit the number of active spaces availabel to enemies.

Starting out i was wading into the horde (which was fun), but i was getting chip damage for the one or two slipping around me

keep working at it and practicing with your weapons moveset and you'll feel untouchable eventually. I'm still not quite there, but i'm leagues better than i was a month agao when i started

[radiant frigate]

making yourself unflankable whenever possible is desirable

[alpine nova]

ty

i got back into the game after awhile and have been playing melee psyker

previously ran zealot

[ripe obsidian]

You enperil everyone around you

[radiant frigate]

are you saying i am the danger

[plucky flax]

I am

[ripe obsidian]

You are.

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/witcher-videogame-gif-19879666

[ripe obsidian]

As well you should be

[plucky flax]

Any 6am weekday gamer?

[spice aurora]

xd

[obtuse dome]

Also use chokepoints a lot if you can. And make sire youre never getting surrounded.

[acoustic jacinth]

1 hour behind... where are you from?

[spice aurora]

I had a wall user in my game today. Giga chad

Only one net went through and got someone killed 😎

[atomic flicker]

i found my sister

[acoustic jacinth]

Your name sounds like my greek cousin

Up there with

Dhimitraqis

[plucky flax]

UK

[acoustic jacinth]

Oooh

I thought you were a fellow eastern EU caveman for a moment

[modest perch]

i always thot u were german idk y

[plucky flax]

Is me germano.

Wie gehts dir?

[atomic flicker]

it's one of the default names for male rogue trader

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh i see

Havent played RT yet

[atomic flicker]

Konstantinos Von Valancius, my psyker RT

[acoustic jacinth]

Peak greek

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-its-fine-everything-is-fine-burning-house-happy-dog-gif-21646319

west coast server tonight

[modest perch]

yea more like best coast

[hearty wolf]

Another day, another havoc

[plucky flax]

Must be pro

[zealous wing]

OH RIGHT PEGLEG WORKS AGAIN WELL 😭

[radiant frigate]

if i had one dollar for every von valancius psyker i know of in DT i would have at least 2 dollars

[plucky flax]

Oh orange is back?

[wraith sphinx]

That's a lot of dollars

[plucky flax]

Did they finally remove cranial?

Nvm I still see cranial and red and I assume it still crashes.

[wraith sphinx]

This again lmao

See you in 2 weeks

[hearty wolf]

They just seemed to add rampaging in because reasons

[plucky flax]

I can maybe play 1 round now if you want. Maybe 2 if we skrrt skrrrt

@hearty wolf

Ventilation purge pogchamp

[plucky flax]

Real

Bubble
Balloon

[zealous wing]

balloon and blue magic missile bees go so well together though

[zinc phoenix]

I saw an Idira at one point… she didn’t see the overhead coming

[radiant frigate]

MY PRESCIENCE FAILED ME explodes into daemons upon casting a minor power at zero peril

[zinc phoenix]

I had her turn into a demon in the very first fight with her in the game on an apparently comically low percentage chance roll

I saw they fixed that bug recently

Ok guys I have an honor mode save for BG3 right at the last fight. I haven’t a clue what will happen in it

It’s been sitting there for most of a year now

[radiant frigate]

mm not true actually

she can still explode into daemons in the prologue

even though they said that can no longer happen

source: seen it happen

[quartz barn]

I had it happen in my run like a month ago

[radiant frigate]

"oh boy time to cast a minor dodge/parry buff"
"how'd this daemonette get here"

proposed solution: teach her to use a long rifle and have her snipe heretics instead of casting

(or give her the overseer archetype in act 2 and pick up a talent that makes enemies explode into daemons instead of her) (but this is the lame solution)

[quartz barn]

More like "oh cool i get to use psyker shit"

dies

[plucky flax]

I guess it worked out well no bubble

[summer prairie]

5k bleeding, big

[plucky flax]

Tbf my bleed got stolen

[acoustic jacinth]

Fellow shriek enjoyer

[summer prairie]

you should consider

[acoustic jacinth]

They wouldn't get it

[plucky flax]

Bro is the main character.

[zealous wing]

yes mr true level 1200 psykerman who only plays h40 you should consider telekine shield because in havoc 40 its better

[summer prairie]

get him up

[zealous wing]

ah yes, why are you in this highly defendable point, when you can go around the whole room and get shot to pieces

[plucky flax]

Tbf he and the other 2 guys were in the corner.

I was outside.

Then I went to them cos I was scared 🙁

THen got flamed

[summer prairie]

he's not even the balloon guy

tbh with the balloon you could have flown away from the corner

[zealous wing]

here's the real question, did he get downed via being shot

[plucky flax]

He's not balloon guy but he was like 'use telekine shield' a couple times

Like 'if we had a shield here bla bla bla'

I dunno I think he ate too much corruption from mines then got killed by something.

He wasn't bad player though but I think he got tilted by my playstyle. Xd

[zealous wing]

did you ever ask what his assignment level is

[plucky flax]

No I only told him in voice chat to chill out after that tandrum.

[zealous wing]

he acts like a child, yeah

[plucky flax]

Then he didn't use voice chat again.

So it was cool.

Video got corrupted somehow but you could barely hear my voice anyway. So he probably didn't hear it too but eitherway the message got accross.

[zealous wing]

"bro you need to chill"

understatement

i'd have flat out told him to stop acting like a child

then he'd have gotten angrier

[plucky flax]

Don't escalate.

Need to deflame.

[zealous wing]

its funnier when escalate

[marble crater]

Tell him to calm down and it's not a big deal

"It's just a game, it's not that serious"

[radiant frigate]

why you heff to be med

is only gaem

[hearty wolf]

Ah my bad didn't see this

I can take lunch break whenever tho if you can do another one at some point

[plucky flax]

Hmm I can do 1 now then go eat as well.

[hearty wolf]

Of all classes, he's saying this a Vet

Holy dumbass

[summer prairie]

I'll play

[plucky flax]

I have red rot warren.

[marble crater]

Damn, those psyker helmets look good for that armor

[summer prairie]

dreyko rot blight

[hearty wolf]

Ah I see. That's why he wants bubble

So he can kite into the open room and get shot from every angle

[summer prairie]

are you coming

[plucky flax]

U coming?

Secret build

[radiant frigate]

no balloon?

[plucky flax]

Nein

[acoustic jacinth]

Wat do u think of my m2 spam shenanigans?

Don't mind in fire reborn, speed mistake

[zealous wing]

i just had the most... cursed? auric QP

i got moveteched up a ledge by a burster by accident, confused the hive scum, hivescum died shortly after as a result, then i got distracted by them dying and got killed, got res'd, got to rescue point, got them, then we didnt even get to mid event because THEY got movetech'd in a weird spot under the floor, and i got sniped while looking at them

[marble crater]

Sounds like a skill issue

[zealous wing]

oh 100%

i was absolutely skissuing

we were also two poxbreakers so its very possible we just didnt have our turn with the braincell anymore

[marble crater]

Giving all poxbreakers a bad reputation, just like ASS

[plucky flax]

I will try deimos knight later.

My problem was with fgs I was in 2 mind. Not sure to use fgs special 1 bar or use it for peril for shriek.

[summer prairie]

rmb assail for peril

but I dont think 1 bar into rotten does much if they are at high health

[plucky flax]

No it was for horde clear.

Also with uncanny from deimos the soulblaze is buffed more.

[summer prairie]

well then it doesn't matter, shriek better generally

[plucky flax]

More synergy with shriek knight.

[hearty wolf]

I got pulled into a work call

Fock

Well now I'm taking my lunch break but it's only for 20m since I've been given more shit to do

I'll be free in 4h :)

[plucky flax]

I can't play now I am tied up.

[hollow summit]

kinky

[hardy citrus]

is the way you're using inferno there better than fullcharging?

[zealous wing]

maintains blazeaway stacks

[hardy citrus]

Is that charging and shooting as soon as you can?

[zealous wing]

about 45% usually but less works too

depends how much time you have/want to spend / need to flame

[quartz barn]

Servertag checks out

[pulsar hazel]

i love hearing "it's called skill zealot" come out of my characters mouth when i'm doing the most whatever thing ever

[hardy citrus]

like playing psyker?

[deft stump]

Lighting a horde on not fire?

[idle plover]

"its called skill zealot" me magdumping infantry autogun into horde from the hip

[pulsar hazel]

i heard the voiceline repeat twice in a single smite while i was playing a boring smyker build because one of my friends wanted me to carry their on havoc and i was 4 beers in so i couldn't be fucked to tryhard 💔

i was drinking a beer for half of it

slaps my big psyker belly

[idle plover]

im just at this point tempting director to spawn crusher on me with my builds

columnus autogun double shields, distrupt destiny and kinetic flayer

[zealous wing]

lol

yeah you are asking for a crusher cluster

[idle plover]

deimos will take care of them

maybe

[zealous wing]

slowly, but yeah

well "slowly"

its not horrible at it