psyker-class

[zealous wing]

its primary spam

[pastel turtle]

What should I run instead? I find slaughterer helps if I'm pinned by a trash mob

[zealous wing]

its in the guide if you want a peek

[ripe obsidian]

I dropped Empyric Shock for Warp Ghost. ES is a solid damage increase, but Warp Ghost makes me almost immortal

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I don't think Deimos pairs well with EK. Both are single-target tools. Obscurus or Force Greatsword provide more value for hordes and crushers and bosses.

I have been using FGS with shred/unstable power and unyielding/carapace

[pastel turtle]

Hmm I hadn't considered FGS for a surge staff, interesting

Seer's presence aura is for team utility I presume yeah?

[ripe obsidian]

It's a few reasons

[vague bloom]

is voidblast staff worth using

[ripe obsidian]

Team utility is one, yes. Also, I already get like 75% crit rate, so another 5% is kinda pointless. And I want Shriek up as much as possible for horde clear and CC.

[frail oar]

Heck yea

[ripe obsidian]

Definitely.

[vague bloom]

ive been wanting to use it

[ripe obsidian]

The only staff not worth using is Voidstrike, and that's only in high havoc

[frail oar]

Stagger and debuff bot

[vague bloom]

cuz normally i use the pyrok staff

[ornate hamlet]

I saw funny build up

[pastel turtle]

Thanks for the input, I'll try this build with a FGS and see how it works

[deft stump]

But but but. 3/4 loses to 4/5.

[zealous wing]

@cunning delta we are in team 21 if you want to tag along

[vague bloom]

im assuming Ains voidblast is a safe one to try

[zealous wing]

well

ainz is... well, ainz

his builds might be good, but they're likely to suit his playstyle more than most peoples

[deft stump]

He has the skill to use whatever he wants.

[vague bloom]

ill prob be fine then

ill just need to get better

[ripe obsidian]

Is why games like Warframe give bonuses for >100% crit rate

Because after ~50%, it becomes less valuable

[deft stump]

I know.

Breakpoints are like 10%, 20%, 25%, 33%, 50%, 75%, 100%.

[vague bloom]

iirc it was ainz that gave me my melee vet build

and fuck me is it fun

[deft stump]

For crit rates in RPGs.

[hearty wolf]

Level 24

My melee scum build has unlocked toxin on bonk

we are getting somewhere

[summer prairie]

That diagram doesn't look accurate because DT uses pseudo random distribution for crits. I don't know exactly how it behaves, e.g. when pauses between attacks reset the string, but you can simulate it here https://observablehq.com/@manuelblanc/pseudo-random-distribution or (for V2: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/134k8w0kvT7A_H3RLuMOFh5zUNGxyqAhv/

[ripe obsidian]

I juat pulled it from Google. D:

https://www.greenyneko.com/2018/08/natural-diminishing-returns-on-critical.html?m=1

I have seen the one you linked somewhere before, but I could not find it

[summer prairie]

at 67.5% your second attack is a guaranteed crit

[ripe obsidian]

So yeah. More crit chance is meaningless.

[summer prairie]

depends on what it's for, it's nice for the first attack to crit, like for a slower heavy attack

[deft stump]

Sounds like not me.

[summer prairie]

there's pseudo_random_distribution.lua if someone wants to take a look

[deft stump]

I'm still saying 20% is too low with my luck.

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds like math.

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-disney-lilo-stitch-hiss-gif-3562813

[deft stump]

Is easy, just divide by 10 and then you get actual chance to stuff.

[ripe obsidian]

I can't count that high

One, two, many, lots.

[deft stump]

That's fine, big guy.

[ripe obsidian]

‘Everyone knows trolls can’t even count up to four!’*

*In fact, trolls traditionally count like this: one, two, three, many, and people assume this means they can have no grasp of higher numbers. They don’t realise that many can BE a number. As in: one, two, three, many, many-one, many-two, many-three, many many, many-many-one, many-many-two, many-many-three, many many many, many-many-many-one, many-many-many-two, many-many-three, LOTS.

Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

Or

The sound of running feet indicated that Sergeant Detritus was bringing some of the latest trainees back from their morning run. He could hear the jody Detritus had taught them. Somehow, you could tell it was made up by a troll: “Now we sing dis stupid song! Sing it as we run along! Why we sing dis we don’t know! We can’t make der words rhyme prop’ly!” “Sound off!” “One! Two!” “Sound off!” “Many! Lots!” “Sound off!” “Er…what?

[steep coral]

anyone got time? 5 mins max just to do cliffhanger penance

[dapper mountain]

i played an assail/shield/disrupt destiny psyker for like 20 damnation games, now i wanted to try inferno and venting shriek but i just feel turbo useless and weak, how is this build played? (could just genuinely be skill issue)

[ripe obsidian]

Why do you feel weak?

My guess is that things die before you can do much.

Which is the issue with Soulblaze builds in difficulties below like Havoc 30. Particularly with Scum still in its absurd state.

Inferno requires time to ramp up to crazy damage. Things like high crit chance and Shriek help mitigate that, but in the end you're still going to struggle if your allies can one-shot everything while you still have only 5 or 6 stacks on it

[dapper mountain]

a hivescum basically killed everything around me before i was able to do any dot damage

[dapper mountain]

ah

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. That's how it goes.

Inferno/Soulblaze get more powerful as enemy density scales up and enemy HP scales up

It's also part of the balance issues that Fatshark has. How do you make Inferno good for lower difficulties without making it broken in higher difficulties? Is it possible? Is that even a thing you want to do?

Should the meta be the same across all levels of play?

But that gets away from the issue at hand.

[frail oar]

Its an infinite cleave issue.

[ripe obsidian]

It's not. Every class has some form of infinite cleave, and most are way more up-front than Soulblaze. Soulblaze is the weakest DoT.

[frail oar]

It reminds me of wow back in the day with DK plagues. Cap the damage at what it would do to 10 total enemies and then distribute it to all. The 10 enemies is adjustable.

[thorn cedar]

I'm waiting for the day Scab Ragers are Carapace main.

[ripe obsidian]

It's an issue of Psyker being too good at everything due to an imbalanced tree and bad interactions with Uncanny.

Psyker needs to be less tanky and Soulblaze needs to not get Rending bonuses from Uncanny.

[frail oar]

All of the infinite cleave weapons provide balancing issues.

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno should be a great tool for horde clear. That's fine. It shouldn't also tear through every enemy type.

[frail oar]

Plasma gun flamer rumbler either have been nerfed or have had nerfs discussed.

[thorn cedar]

Those are all resource gated tho

[frail oar]

Exactly. That's why purg is the most egregious.

[ripe obsidian]

It's fine for a class to be good at things. It's fine for Inferno to tear through hordes. It's not fine for a horde clear build to also be an armor clear build.

[thorn cedar]

Honestly I'd just start with buffing Scab Ragers (that they are carapace torso but flak main is stupid) and I'd love to have Blaze Away deleted from the fire staff because it never needed it and its addition has only made its balance disparities even worse.

[ripe obsidian]

Change Uncanny from rending to melee_rending, and make Maulers and/or Scab Ragers caparace.

Then observe and wait to make more decisions.

[frail oar]

Scab ragers are carapace

[ripe obsidian]

Incremental nerfs are better

[ripe obsidian]

They aren't

[thorn cedar]

Uncanny is presumably looking at global nerfs/changes in the near future if Scum is anything to go by.

[ripe obsidian]

It says carapace. It's flak.

[frail oar]

In the chest they are

[ripe obsidian]

Chest isn't the DoT target

Default armor type is

Default for scab ragers is flak

[thorn cedar]

(It's carapace body but the DoT is 'main' which is flak)

[frail oar]

Oh mb I thought the chest defined dot damage.

[thorn cedar]

Normally yes.

Almost across the board true.

[ripe obsidian]

Nope

Default and chest are not the same

Code-wise, at least

[thorn cedar]

They aren't but in like 90% of instances they are the same.

I think it's just Reapers and Scab Ragers that are the exception.

[frail oar]

But yea I think uncanny needs nerfing generally. Either values or mechanics.

I'd be fine with removing it and readjusting armor/hp/hit mass.

[ripe obsidian]

This is true. I would have to look through code or Kuli's guide to see if any others are silly

[ripe obsidian]

It did get nerfed for Shivs!

[thorn cedar]

Maybe Moebian 21st

[ripe obsidian]

Shivs cap at like 40% uncanny, not 124% or whatever

[frail oar]

I thought those shiv values would transfer to all weapons

[ripe obsidian]

I hope they do.

[frail oar]

When I saw them initially.

[thorn cedar]

I'm hoping they do.

40% is already plenty strong.

[ripe obsidian]

I also feel iffy about Soulblaze sort of procing EE.

[frail oar]

Takes a lot of weapons adm to 1 or higher as is vs cara

[thorn cedar]

nuuh dont u bring that mojo in here

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze doesn't proc it.

[dapper mountain]

wait blessings are permanently up, i dont need to actually use it to get blessings benefits?

or im just supposed to hit a few times to get rending bonus

[frail oar]

The uncanny buff is global and applies to existing sources of damage

[ripe obsidian]

But the code checks for a crit, then checks for a damage instance. So if you crit empty air while soulblaze burns something (or fire, or bleed), ta-da

[thorn cedar]

Some blessing effects are global, ie. If the weapon is in your hand and the blessing is active, it will apply to all damage

[thorn cedar]

Would nerf flame staff if nothing else.

Yknow what, I've seen enough. Buff Scriers Gaze.

[frail oar]

And nerf ogryn cus why not

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker doesn't have a gold toughness source. Any toughness gen from SG over 100% becomes gold, up to 100% bonus toughness.

[dapper mountain]

so for example i just put dots on everything and switch to sword and get uncanny strike from a weakspot hit, and my already existing dots just get the rending buff?

[ripe obsidian]

After 200%, it flows to teammates. Like that one Elf subclass in VT2

[frail oar]

Yes

[marble crater]

Bubble should give gold toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Correct. It is a bad interaction and unhealthy for the game

[frail oar]

It works for bleeds too but they don't stack as high

Grenadier vet with uncanny knife and lethal prox bistol can clear rooms full of anything

Save monstrosities

[ripe obsidian]

Bleed has higher damage numbers than Soulblaze, just harder to stack so high

[frail oar]

Stacks to 16 vs 30/31 capped overlapped soulblaze right?

[ripe obsidian]

But bleed has much worse ADMs

[ripe obsidian]

31 overcapped, yes

16 stacks of bleed is 175 damage, 31 of Soulblaze is 250

31 of Toxin is 440

[frail oar]

Toxin carapace adm is gonna get nerfed

Mark my words

[ripe obsidian]

16 of Soulblaze is about 130

[ripe obsidian]

It should.

Bleed should also get an ADM buff on trash mobs.

[frail oar]

Its like 0.9 wtf

Don't even need uncanny

[ripe obsidian]

Nope.

Conspiracy theory: rotten armor came back just before the release of Scum.

[frail oar]

Oooh my tinfoil hat is on for that

[ripe obsidian]

As did blight spreads. Which Stimm Supply gives immunity to.

[frail oar]

Thematic!

[dapper mountain]

well ty for the answers, i guess imma just stick to assail + bubble for my casual gaming

until i venture into havocs

[ripe obsidian]

If you want some builds, check the pinned guide

Lots of fun stuff in there

[dapper mountain]

yeah i just found that doc 💔

HOW DID I

WRITE BROKEN HEART

WHEN I DID KEKW

[frail oar]

Heresy

[ripe obsidian]

Also, in regards to gameplay, Inferno Shriek Psyker often plays like a front line tank until enemies actually reach you.

You sprint ahead of the team and ignite the world, then back off as the heavy stuff comes toward you

[marble crater]

"Play like a tank until you actually have to tank"

[ripe obsidian]

Empathic Evasion and absurd toughness regen often allows you to dodgetank gunners

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly.

Not Inferno, but on EE Shriek I often run around killing specials and gunners when bosses spawn so my team can handle them.

Like, shriek to stagger a wall of gunners, then kill 'em all while range immune

[hearty wolf]

Infinite resource ranged weapon in a primarily melee game

how balance

[ripe obsidian]

Because it's meant to be a slow-scaling amount of damage

And the introduction of Havoc means that enemies actually have enough health to do that

Again, it has the lowest base damage of the DoTs, and it has the lowest tick rate

Toxin does 2 damage ticks for every 1 soulblaze

[hearty wolf]

I don't think purg is very slow in how fast it ramps up.

It's like, Darktide doesn't seem to understand the concept of "DoT" - the over time part. Like sure in auric, whatever. But when you're doing 250 per tick across 100 enemies at the same time, it's a little silly and with rending it's Nukes over time

[ripe obsidian]

It is objectively slower than other DoTs. And in any non-Havoc environment, that's super evident.

Inferno sucks to play outside of H30+

It also tends to suck without Shriek

Inferno Psyker without Shriek can be easily outdamaged by any class.

[hearty wolf]

I mean other dots are harder to apply as quickly, consistently and with as high uptime generally speaking.

and soulblaze is quickly gets to max stacks *infinite enemies when it's most relevant i.e crusher blobs.

No creeping flames on shriek would be interesting

what if they gave shriek another alternative subnode which isn't complete dogshit

[ripe obsidian]

Easier to apply is the tradeoff for being weaker.

[frail oar]

As long as overcapping and uncanny exist I don't think another subnode can compete

[ripe obsidian]

The issue is not infinite cleave or Soulblaze stacking, it's that there are too many enemies that Soulblaze can melt

Remove uncanny and make a couple enemies default carapace

[frail oar]

Infinite cleave is an issue

[ripe obsidian]

It's not, though. Inferno exists as a device to spread Soulblaze. Without that, it's actually worthless.

It's the same reason I dislike Empyric Shock on anything but LMB EK

If you have to reapply a debuff every time the enemy in front of you dies, you do nothing

Inferno should keep its place as a machine for melting hordes. It should not also turn elites into paste without difficulty

[frail oar]

Im not saying it shouldn't be able to spread soul blaze im saying it shouldnt be able to spread full damage soulblaze to everything in front of you. Infinite cleave is a part of a core problem in this game which is the arms race to deal with screens full of armor. If it didnt have the ability to deal damage to everything we wouldn't need screens full of crushers to provide a "challenge"

This homogenizes builds and weapon selection.

You see it in every class

[ripe obsidian]

Even without armor, hordes aren't a problem for any class

[pseudo geyser]

hi! I had a question about fgs blessings. i saw a lot of people recommend riposte and unstable power and i was wondering if wrath was unnecessary for the higher cleave. thanks!

[ashen edge]

Not exactly, you go down if you mismanaged it. Sure it's an infinite but other resources don't have risk like that

[ripe obsidian]

Unstable Power provides strength, which is cleave as well as damage and stagger

And your special attack is going to provide the bulk of your horde clear regardless of blessings

So wrath is not particularly needed

[pseudo geyser]

ohh gotcha

thanks!

[ashen edge]

Saw a post on reddit ranting about riposte is better than agile but imo they have different use case. The latter are more of a survival tools

[burnt frigate]

I feel like they nerfed the inferno's stagger values.

[ripe obsidian]

Not that I know of.

[ripe obsidian]

I like Shred more.

[ashen edge]

Didn't notice any difference. Might be some enemy buff condition

[hearty wolf]

I think even considering this a disadvantage

when it's REALLY easy to not kill yourself

is a bit disingenuous

[ripe obsidian]

I had someone in H40 say they considered me a good Psyker because I didn't blow myself up even once.

So, uh

Maybe not.

[burnt frigate]

Possible. Could be ping to tencent related like 99% of my issues. It's most egregious when specials get lit on soulfire but ignore the stagger.

[hearty wolf]

also shriek so like

most psykers use bubble

[ashen edge]

I also think limited ammunition isn't really an issue because the shooty class have a ways to recovery their or conserve their bullet.

[jovial juniper]

Agile is trash

[burnt frigate]

I mean, I don't use them, but there are peril management mods out there for the lazy psyker.

[jovial juniper]

Waste of a slot

It's that shrimple

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[burnt frigate]

How dare you make me hungry.

[jovial juniper]

Just stop dodging for 0.85 seconds, get all your dodges back

And still have 2 good blessings

[verbal thistle]

Gimping damage to bandaid a dodge skill issue

[ashen edge]

Sure, we don't even have to melee the enemy so 2 sec buff and dodge count isn't really an issue

[jovial juniper]

If it was on the slower bulkier weapons then it would have some arguments to take it

But it's on DS and Taxe

I also haven't checked if Hiver exclusives have it

[ashen edge]

Imagine like: this heavvy hammer are blessed by the god to make you so agile you can duck and weave while wielding it

[hearty wolf]

The SCUM wins

That melee critical rate is so fun

CRIT CRIT CRIT

[narrow herald]

Wrong op class channel my dude

[ripe obsidian]

I just use the better peril view mod. The default peril thing is super inaccurate

[burnt frigate]

Yeah not shaming anyone for it the default is indeed "super inaccurate".

[burnt frigate]

Scoreboard works for you? I keep getting a nil coherency value error and gave up on it.

[gray moss]

how innaccurate?

[burnt frigate]

Like it being yellow when you hear the crit peril sound.

Or, if your ping is bad, you wont hear the sound and just pop on yellow.

[hearty wolf]

I installed a really dodgy version from Hex

he hacked my pc

[burnt frigate]

It's probably because I'm on Linux and I don't feel like figuring out the proton needed to run all my mods. Byebye scoreboard.

[ripe obsidian]

It has a weird delay meant to smooth the UI and make it more visually appealing

Like, quelling is instant in reality. There is no slow scaling downward.

Press R once, drop peril. Not press R and watch it slide down.

[hearty wolf]

Technical question @summer prairie

The extra dodge duration from Nimble

That doesn't actually matter if you dodge into a wall ya?

Cos your dodge gets cut short

[frail oar]

I feel like default ui will not display critical peril properly at times. Could be desync or something.

[patent jacinth]

It works

[burnt frigate]

It's like the default ui portion of the engine is rendering the ui at different frames or just plainly at a lower priority when everything is chugging.

[patent jacinth]

You can dodge attacks in place

[hearty wolf]

I know but if you dodge into a wall there's

A thing

I forget the term

[burnt frigate]

It's about tracking right?

[hearty wolf]

No

[burnt frigate]

ok now I'm curious.

[hearty wolf]

We spoke about this almost a year ago now

I will see if I can find it

[gray moss]

multithreading can be finnicky

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian Actually you were the one who found the github code for it iirc

dodge stop I think it was called?

[summer prairie]

I don't know if it still lingers or not if you hit a wall

[burnt frigate]

Like I love this game. I played 20 minutes of it and turned to my wife and told her this was my next 1000 hour game. It's like a FPS dynasty warriors I love it. Please just let Fatshark fix the game, Tencent, please!

[hearty wolf]

Interestiing

looks like we got some testing to do

[ripe obsidian]

Dodge stop/dodge stop threshold

[hearty wolf]

Ay

[burnt frigate]

Yeah I don't think the dodge frames last longer than the dodge animation unless you finish the full dodge animation.

[hearty wolf]

I wouldn't imagine it does either but that's why I'm curious what nimble exactly does

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/settings/dodge/archetype_dodge_templates.lua#L123

[hearty wolf]

Yeah so you see

Dodge stop is 025s

[burnt frigate]

Yes there is a threshold and you need to meet it to keep it.

[hearty wolf]

if you have 0.375s of iframes

how does it interact

[ripe obsidian]

I believe it cuts remaining dodge time by 75% after hitting an obstacle.

Not 0.25 seconds.

So whatever is left of the dodge is multiplied by 0.25

[burnt frigate]

Ogryn has a .15 threshold

[ripe obsidian]

Could be wrong

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/extension_systems/character_state_machine/character_states/player_character_state_dodging.lua#L369

[hearty wolf]

That's barely any time

hm

[ripe obsidian]

I'd need to look at it more closely to be sure

[hearty wolf]

I just read this and clocked

FOURTEEN?

Lmaooo

[ripe obsidian]

That would be 75%, yes

[hearty wolf]

Need a birds eye view of that because that's gotta be really stupid

[gray moss]

it is

[ripe obsidian]

200m² vs 615m²

Loosely

[gray moss]

you need to redo your math, its a 3d game with coherency in a sphere no?

in which case needs to be M cubed

[frail oar]

Both wrong

Its clearly bigly bigger

[burnt frigate]

I mean....

oops that's 16, but wtf who cares you can do it yourself.

At 14 the arclength isn't quite double at 21.99, but you get the idea. It's not as good as you want it to be.

[hearty wolf]

Given it daisy chains and when you're separated, you're usually not THAT separated, that's pretty ok

Not worth a point mind you

But funny to think about

[ripe obsidian]

That's more dimensions than I can count

[hearty wolf]

Level 26 so almost there now

[burnt frigate]

It's fine to deal with the two dimensional crossection of a three dimensional sphere at z=0.

[hearty wolf]

My shivs are maxed and my needle pistol doesn't really matter so we close

Bit nervous considering gunners actually deal damage and it's damnation which feels off

[burnt frigate]

Slide on that ass until they are in knife range.

Butt to floor.

Full cheek.

[hearty wolf]

I think my keyboard is busted actually

My sprint just stops working (yes I have stamina)

which makes sliding inconsistent

[burnt frigate]

Clean that keyboard. Dear God, that poor silicon.

I'm dreading the day I need to replace mine. Mouse and keyboard are 12 years old.

[hearty wolf]

i think the cat hair finally defeated it

[radiant frigate]

cat > keyboard

[burnt frigate]

Yeah I have three dogs I clean my PC fully once a week. Vacuum, air compressor, etc. I have a nice keyboard where I just need to pop the cover off in order to vacuum under the keys.

[hearty wolf]

I clean my keyboard

like

Once every 3 months LOL

Well it's not as bad

My cat used to be on my desk

[burnt frigate]

I'm super anti-consumptionist and am living on a decades old setup. I find the whole process of cleaning it all therapeutic I guess. Couldn't even consider living in a larger house because cleaning it would suck.

[hearty wolf]

But she doesn't climb up anymore so it's a lot less bad

[ripe obsidian]

@hearty wolf it seems to be that the dodge stop threshold is a speed check, actually

If your movement is too slow, the dodge stops

[burnt frigate]

this makes perfect sense

Ogryns having a lower threshold makes perfect sense.

[frail oar]

Every additional thing you own is another item that needs to be managed and cared for. Its a delicate balance. A 10 bedroom house is more work than its worth. And the social capital means nothing to me.

[ripe obsidian]

Living in abject poverty for a few years changed my views on a lot of things, particularly buying things I didn't need.

Now I agonize over spending, like, $22 when there's a $21 option.

[burnt frigate]

This is me. I am this.

I'm that person that abuses the 2 hour return policy on Steam.

[crude zodiac]

does penetration of the soul affect charged strikes?

[quartz barn]

i exclusively buy things on sale

and a lot of games that are sold for sub 15 at base usually arent worth it

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1q642gi/another_keystoneless_build_player_wondering_why/

[ripe obsidian]

Per Kuli:

'Warp attack' refers to a list of attacks that have their damage types denoted as warp_damage_types: Force Swords' activated attacks, Force Greatswords' activated attacks, Force Staves' LMB, Force Staves' RMB, electrocution (Smite, Electrokinetic Staff RMB, Shock Maul special action), Soulblaze, Brain Rupture / Brain Burst, and Assail.

So it seems to be yes.

[modest perch]

wait shmaul counts as a warp atk

[wraith sphinx]

That's based

[crude zodiac]

Does stacks of Malefic Momentum triggered by charged strikes affect for example your great sword damage or does it count as a non warp attack?

[crude zodiac]

Thanks

[strong whale]

what's this mod, if i might ask

[fresh reef]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[strong whale]

thank you

[ripe obsidian]

FGS regular attacks are melee, FGS special attack is warp

[crude zodiac]

Alright, thanks

[late sphinx]

thats wild TIL

[ornate hamlet]

I have been fatsharked yet again

Turns out every class with access to the shock maul is a psyker

[modest perch]

damn i guess psyker rly is op

[mighty shuttle]

I'm curious, with havoc when it comes to melee psyker traditional builds, has anyone found synergy with having the walls ability instead of SG because the specialist blocking properties as well jolting enemies that comes through seems potentially useful.

Or being able to deploy cover from typical shooters, but I'm not sure if that's more of a 'crutch' that excuses shitty positioning as opposed to actual boon.

[modest perch]

eh idk man most of the time u wanna block shooters theyre gonna be at least kinda far n somewhat elevated so the walls rly dont do much

[rare arrow]

can anyone share a melee psyker generic build for me? The community build bonanza is too much for my small brain

[zealous wing]

bonanza, new psyker section, my build

[mighty shuttle]

Sometimes!

[zealous wing]

its general gunker but its essentially the same just a different gun really

if reconlas put 30th point in true aim

to save your braincells from decision

[mighty shuttle]

But I'm curious if walls are too inconsistent to be useful when trying to stem a tide of rotten armor carapace/slow it down if I double wall a choke point as we withdraw

Because scrier gaze extra damage might be negligible vs rotten armor

[zealous wing]

well

does it shock specials and elites or just specials

because rot armour are elites

[modest perch]

who knows tbh

been months since ive seen anyone run walls

[zealous wing]

i might give it the smite treatment, run it a dozen matches or so to learn them

gives me better understanding of how it works in practice

[modest perch]

u gotta do the meme tho

brain pop n kr

with ep

[zealous wing]

no

besides sg is better for BB main in a practical manner

[rare arrow]

When would you use the Vraks infauto vs the reconlas?

[hearty wolf]

stabstabstab

This class is so fun

I can't wait to havoc

Team perma dead in damnation, it's so hard to keep them alive xd

[hollow summit]

Wot

I thought voidstrike wants sustained output not a single blob

[acoustic jacinth]

It's for spam more than anything. Slap precog, quell a little whilst it's manageable, though you don't have to care much for it. Voidstrike takes time to charge and generates plenty of peril whilst at it which is why SG is a good choice

DD is more essential to its dmg though

That keystone is your primary source of dmg increase for voidstrike

[hollow summit]

So its like, abuse the 10 seconds timer where you cannot explode

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian I'm 28 now, one auric off 30

I need a tiny bit of dockets to get some not completely dogshit curios then we can run it

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah, there are similar builds to this idea too. Like ainz's voidblast build or SG EK staff

For voidstrike the difference is you go down into DD

[hearty wolf]

I'm running my own build so will need it looked over

[acoustic jacinth]

Check pins for more

Six has done some further vs explanation

Granted, by all means, shriek always works

You just won't be playing to the strengths of the staff really, that's more just ol soulblaze magic.

[mighty shuttle]

it 100% shocks specialists, 15% to shock everything else

[hollow summit]

Hmmmmmmmm

[deft stump]

Well, you do that till maxed stacks, then use the 10 sec at max to spam more.

[hollow summit]

Can I quell that fast 🤔

Never did much quelling under sg before

Cuz big sword lel

[deft stump]

Press and hold on staff, usually. Though if you lack the nodes that slow it down, you likely can't do longer charges.

[hollow summit]

I mean, usually when I quell during sg my peril goes down slowly

[deft stump]

Then dunno. I ran a weird build that let me quell faster to extend it longer.

[hollow summit]

Probably because I dont have shit like empyric on fgs build

[ripe obsidian]

oof

Just had a teammate accidentally kill me

They killed the mutant grabbing me... right as a crusher overhead came down

The mutie would've thrown me to safety

[marble crater]

Clearly a griever, ban him

[hollow summit]

Oof

[ornate hamlet]

bro is grieving

let him be

https://tenor.com/view/joan-collins-dynasty-funeral-fallon-gif-21586699

[spice aurora]

there is a google doc in the pins and there are quite a few but i would pick one that uses the weapons that you like (they almost all, or all are force GS but the range weapon may be a little different)

and pick whichever one has the ability you like to use more

[ripe obsidian]

It did, unfortunately, result in a loss. He and I had been the last people standing for like 4 or 5 minutes

It's the bridge after the mid event in Vigil Station

We duo'd twins, killed a captain, fought off endless crushers, killed a ritual

Then

Tragedy

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone else having brutal input delay?

[thorn cedar]

Check your DLSS settings if you're using it.

4.5 got put out and if it's doing 6x Frame Gen now or something then that'd be why.

[pure plinth]

it would be very cool to see a visual representation of just a dream and one with the warp

i would never expect it to happen

but, seeing the force swords and their bullet and melee deflection

i assume a similar thing happens with the talents except it is like a net across the body, catching attacks and slowing them

[spice aurora]

is that like a per game thing or is it every game that has dlss ;O

[ripe obsidian]

I'm gonna try turning off DLSS to see if that works

[deft stump]

Is this another W for just turning it off?

[thorn cedar]

nah DLSS is actually pretty fucken great

its just a question of double checking ur settings

but also if your rig is, for whatever reason, unable to pull more than like 30fps out of the game (CPU bottleneck perhaps?) then DLSS would indeed be awful as is any type of frame gen

[deft stump]

Shush. Playing malice with 16 fps happened already.

Good thing I can literally just hose with recon in a direction fine.

[ornate hamlet]

Powertide

[ripe obsidian]

It maybe made a difference, turning it off. Not sure.

FPS was definitely lower and had s'more hitches, and the graphics were grainier

But I didn't notice meaningful input delay

A Scum burstered me. But then he sprinted to the end event and revived me. So I guess it evens out?

It was another duo in which scum and psyker were dealing with myriad threats and, I assume, the toxin led to friendly fire.

But this scum managed to get the revives when the other did not

So could've been worse

[buoyant torrent]

https://i.imgur.com/aW9Acpt.png
havent played in over a year, is this a good build?

[ripe obsidian]

Swap unarmored to flak on the staff

And typically warp resist is a better dump than quell speed

but it's largely fine

there are myriad builds in the pinned guide

[buoyant torrent]

just assumed my build was wildly off or smth since i keep getting rejected from havoc groups

[plucky flax]

Maybe because your own havoc clearance is too low for the group you want to join.

Easiest is to host your own lobby and self climb.

[buoyant torrent]

I've cleared havoc 40 and have the true survivor and havoc forged titles, i figured they could see my highest clear without the titles so i just wear reject.

but they didnt have these story progress counters last time i played, so i'm just trying to do that first.

i take smite just to get through the tree, but generally never use it. maybe they see smite and that's a red flag idk. i run infernal staff usually

[north otter]

so how does the assail target acquisition actually work

[buoyant torrent]

https://i.imgur.com/ikcHTEv.png my staff

[north otter]

should I ever be using the RMB or does the LMB always hit

[buoyant torrent]

is blaze force gsword not optimal? I don't use the sword much either tbh

[plucky flax]

If it was a long time ago then your rank got resetted already

Fgs is very good but not used often with a purg staff

[frigid veldt]

at which points should i stop rmbing with the inferno staff and look to stack uncanny with melee?

like vs alot of armor?

[plucky flax]

When crushers are up in your face and team not dealing with them

If there are still mixed horde I ignore the crusher and continue to flame until only the crushers are left.

Sometimes I dont have to do melee uncanny at all

[ripe obsidian]

Progress resets every season

[ripe obsidian]

Only if a majority of remaining enemies are crushers or the crushers pose a very immediate threat

[ripe obsidian]

RMB for specials or enemies at a distance you really want dead. LMB otherwise. Should be info about targeting in Kuli's mechanics guide

[buoyant torrent]

oh good to know

[ripe obsidian]

I've seen a lot of H40 players who are quite bad, so it's a gamble even with TS folks sometimes

Everyone in this game had an H40 clear. Not sure about titles.

[verbal thistle]

I should get a mod that removed titles and emblems of other players

And I remove true level

So it's a gamble every time I choose

Would be funny

[ripe obsidian]

You are good enough that it doesn't matter much

Mister 2 hour long Zealot solos while alt tabbing

[verbal thistle]

I wonder if there is a way to have a title/emblem that actually shows skill

But I can't think of anything

[modest perch]

load
see its rolling steel
leave mission

darktide so much fun when u aint got a bitch in yo ear telling u to do rolling steel

[ripe obsidian]

I'll roll your steel

[ripe obsidian]

Oh my lord you changed your nickname

As for a title to show skill, I have no idea. True Survivor is as close as they've gotten. Not going down in H40 is not particularly easy for a vast majority of the playerbase. Or H35+, I guess

[verbal thistle]

I feel like titles like those are the biggest gamble

Many of my friends have cheesed it for others

And there is no solo title

It being a team based pve is hard to show skill

[ripe obsidian]

There's no official solo game mode

[tiny kindle]

What’s the best refinements? Like extra damage against carapace or flak

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on the weapon.

[verbal thistle]

Perks are very weapons dependent

For melee weapons is often want you want to kill faster (maniac/flak/unyield/carapace). For ranged weapons it varies alot more since its often make it break for 1 shot kills on priority enemies

Best way to ask is to say what weapon it's for

[tiny kindle]

What’s a maniac and a unyield enemy

[verbal thistle]

Maniac is dreg ragers and most specials

Unyielding is bosses and unarmored ogryns

(reaper and bulwark)

[tiny kindle]

So perks are weapon specific and not just general? There’s some perk that say x amount of damage for melee or range so I thought there was some generalization

[buoyant torrent]

i was sort of hoping they had reset titles and stuff after people had abused exploits to get to h40 or clear without downs in auric maels by just quitting out and rejoining.

[verbal thistle]

Yeah very weapon specific

And it even varies for player skill too

[wraith sphinx]

Plus even if one assumes they got the title 'fair and square' doesn't mean they can put in the same amount of effort into every single mission thereafter.
People have bad days, are out of their element, are derusting after a long break or just straight up get slimed by the ai director sometimes. I stopped caring about titles a long time ago, I just use what looks pretty to me

[tiny kindle]

How do you pop up damage menu on console?

[verbal thistle]

Scoreboard, or the way to tell how much damage is being down in the mission is not accessible outside PC mods

[verbal thistle]

I've only used reject with grey border for the last 2 years

And I don't judge other people's choices

Unless it's the psyker mastery one then it's probably a smyker

[wraith sphinx]

Lmao I actually use psyker mastery insignia on my sole smite build

[verbal thistle]

Yeah I know

Stereotype for a reason

It has lighting symbol

Smykers use lighting

[wraith sphinx]

Oh

I meant the golden chevrons

[verbal thistle]

Ahhh

I meant the lighting banner thing

[wraith sphinx]

Ah gotcha

[verbal thistle]

Forgot what it's from

[wraith sphinx]

The win 25 missions thing

[hearty wolf]

There's not really many good options for titles anyway

In terms of rarity that is

Half the gold ones are irrelevant since they're all havoc related but true survivor is clearly the best

So it should be red rarity 🤔

[patent jacinth]

Just run reject

[deft stump]

I look in here and feel called out now.

[modest perch]

[zealous wing]

fun fact i literally cant run reject

if i try to select it on any class, the game gets mad at me

doesnt let me do it

[deft stump]

Even with mods off?

[zealous wing]

yeah never been able to reapply it

[deft stump]

This is weird as heck.

[zealous wing]

yeah

every patch i try again, no go

[deft stump]

I wonder if they karked your acct server side.

[hollow summit]

Probable

[hollow summit]

welp, time for my bubble chucking adventure with voidstrike

wait, what perks do i want

carapace unyielding?

[zealous wing]

im not the only one

[deft stump]

Oh. I guess they karked some.

[hollow summit]

ok thanks

surge? o_o

[zealous wing]

:)

indeed

[deft stump]

Surge nexus is normal on Strike.

Or surge flurry.

[hollow summit]

im more used to nexus

but its ok i guess

[acoustic jacinth]

Surge on voidstrike makes m2 shoot two balls

Nexus + surge means more balls but less charge

[hollow summit]

I'm used to flurry nexus ye

[deft stump]

Why surge flurry is still legit, you just gambla more.

More shots, but lower crit chance.

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike!!

[wraith sphinx]

🎳 💥 🛡️

[hollow summit]

Bubble chukka

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bubblechukka

[restive roost]

The other blue titles are kinda tedious to get

I want the Cyber Falcon one cause it sounds funny

[plucky flax]

sry was me

[restive roost]

[hollow summit]

welp, i cant tell if im bad or not but i did survive high intensity auric

[median furnace]

I use that one a lot, took me a while to get Nomad since when I started playing the Spireside map had been taken off the roster for a fair bit of time because of some bugs.

[restive roost]

I'm not getting the havoc titles anytime soon since I very rarely play havocs.

[hollow summit]

same

its fine tho

havocs is not exactly a fun experience without a proper squad

[deft stump]

Six bully.

[deft stump]

It can still be painful even with a team. Just havoc things.

[hollow summit]

yeah

why bother then

[deft stump]

Some ppl like the challenge. I just... Shiny weekly box.

[hollow summit]

werp, i cant care less

[restive roost]

Yeah, my friends don't play Tide

[hollow summit]

rather just kill heretics in comfort

[restive roost]

I'm mostly considering it because of the materials. And the 53rd finery.

[hollow summit]

yeah but its so much pain

i'd rather play something else

[plucky flax]

Tru

[deft stump]

So sad. Thought he nice only to say such things behind our backs.

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

What did I do?

[ripe obsidian]

You were not in that game

[deft stump]

(Do I need to spell out jokes somehow? Is just like that. That and you know, not actually good.)

[ripe obsidian]

You're better than most.

[deft stump]

That's not a hard bar to beat when it's 12 feet underground.

[ripe obsidian]

Meanwhile I used to think Auric was hard. D:

The first time I hit H40, it felt like an amazing achievement. Now it's something I do with randoms at least a few times a week.

I am not sure how much higher up the difficulty ladder I could go, though, if Havoc went to like H100

Maybe H50. Maybe.

[deft stump]

I still think auric is hard and why is ppl dying after leaving me when I turned around to push a boomer or a dog.

[deft stump]

Honestly, too dog at the game so it's whatever limit carries can carry.

[ripe obsidian]

Auric isn't easy, objectively. But this entire game is hard. It requires reaction speed, threat recognition, positioning, map awareness, and so on and so forth.

We who play H40 regularly are probably a single-digit % of the overall playerbase

[deft stump]

You know I have none of those, just panic and panic more when trapper heard.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

In our last game, you did better than the EU Zealot when you were on higher ping

[deft stump]

Is book zealot.

I do like 150k on book zealot.

Well up to 400k?

[ripe obsidian]

He also died like 3 or 4 times

You did not

[deft stump]

I'm on Arby, tanky class. Then again, my zealot is dice roll run around at 2 hp because I ate too much damage running in to book.

[deft stump]

Then again, I'm known for playing too safe unless overwhelmed.

[restive roost]

Just be incredibly annoyed when you hear her perverted heavy breathing.

[acoustic jacinth]

Hell, she's so excited, i'm almost tempted to see where it goes

[restive roost]

Traxis-- something.. with a net.

[ripe obsidian]

I die a lot on Arby. Mostly because I play aggressively and people don't always support me

And my mechanics are sometimes lacking in melee

[restive roost]

Carpal tunnel melee!

[deft stump]

More, I eep, hear her, dktsjrafjsfjsgdtkskzfkzkfdfk BITCH SPAWNED!!!!

[deft stump]

I'm too defensive. I just know Chaos and Syllo are aggressive and I have to chase them.

[ripe obsidian]

I am too aggressive on Arby for my skill level

But there's a balance.

[lapis violet]

smiteker in the big '26 🥀

[ripe obsidian]

I had two different Arbies last night who didn't seem to know you could back up

And the rest of the team had to chase them hard

[lapis violet]

one of if not the safest place to be as most classes is in the middle of the horde

[deft stump]

I mean, I had to teach ppl to in lower havocs to do so instead of fighting bosses on bridges.

[ripe obsidian]

Not in rotten armor when Crushers are hyperstacked with maulers and you can't see overheads coming

Or when three trappers are shooting through the wall of armor

[deft stump]

Not in rotten, especially on 300+ ping.

[lapis violet]

oh this is havoc? yeah most of my words don't work for havoc because i just don't play it

(because i can't do super high havocs and nobody does medium/lows)

[ripe obsidian]

I only really play H40 unless being goofy with friends

Lower difficulties don't engage me as much

[deft stump]

You could host your own.

[lapis violet]

i don't care for playing havoc for ranks, i want to farm havoc on hand

[deft stump]

And I'm the goober who will play uprising for very new players.

[ripe obsidian]

One of the biggest signs of a successful H40 team, imo, is immediately backing up to a safer place when a boss spawns rather than fighting in place or pushing forward and spawning more bosses

Though the worst places are dropdowns where you can't retreat to a safe place. Magistrati and Power Matrix come to mind

[deft stump]

This also depends if I know one spawned. No mods, you know. I just run on common sense fighting captains, cs or pogryn with no guard rails is dumb.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't have mods to alert me to boss spawns

Twins always surprise me

[deft stump]

Only when hp bar shows up, PANIC.

[ripe obsidian]

I play H40 because, with a good team, it is the most fun game mode for me. Climbing ranks is just annoying

[deft stump]

Like, just stop with the stupid demotions that make it 100x more toxic.

[ripe obsidian]

I have heard it argued that without derank, anyone could be easily carried to H40. As if that doesn't happen already. And no, you are not an example of that.

Derank in a PvE game is 100% the idea of an exec who wants to farm player engagement at the cost of fun

[deft stump]

People carry fresh 30s to h40 out of memes.

Oh, I am, you should see how many tries I needed to win 1 pf pug game, and I only did it cos everyone was busy and I had like 6 hours before I lack access to a PC for a week.

I lucked into two competent oggies who basically carried.

[ripe obsidian]

I lost 15 games in a row on Arby last week, and like 8 in a row on Psyker this week in H40 party finder.

Does that mean I was carried to H40?

[deft stump]

Naw. Thing is, I know when I'm are the deadweight of the party.

[restive roost]

Playing with fresh 30s that don't know how to press on and pace is highly anxiety inducing, goodness.

Being glued to one place for like 5 minutes on a hi-intensity shock troop gauntlet is spooky.

[deft stump]

I mean, I don't either. Easier to follow others if not chasing shiny loot.

[zealous wing]

the only deadweights are the ones lagging behind or going ahead and spawning stuff needlessly

and, by this i mean, couple rooms or more

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes I play low H30s or high 20s to try a new build, and I swear I spend half my time waiting at the next room for my team to stop fighting random poxwalkers.

Like herding cats

[deft stump]

But, but, but, that lone dog scawy.

[ripe obsidian]

Gotta go find it before getting in the airlock, I guess

[restive roost]

Most of the time I just follow others, but in some cases I end up with completely green randoms, and like you said they're trying to fight wave after wave of poxwalkers.

Not even keeping a brisk pace, but just trying to advance, and I look behind they're still fighting off the poxwalkers

Then the next wave comes

[deft stump]

Just watch them though, usually funny. Then pick up one of them cos overwhelmed by poxxers.

[restive roost]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[deft stump]

Like, IDK how anyone dies to just poxxers, but it happens.

And not in say H40 where one slip up is half hp gone.

[restive roost]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[ripe obsidian]

The opposite problem is when I am fighting the waves of elites, specials, and poxwalkers coming from behind, then I turn around to find my team has pushed a few rooms ahead. That doesn't happen a lot, but it's mildly annoying. If I was wasting time killing trash, that's one thing, but when I am the entire killfeed?

[deft stump]

Worse is, you turn around and everyone is dead.

[ripe obsidian]

That's always a fun experience

I am getting a bit better at clutching those situations, but I still often end up greeding the revives and dying

[zinc phoenix]

gloriana has that sequence of boss fights after the horizontal elevator where you cant really back up because you have a series of walls behind you

[deft stump]

Long open path infront immediately. Possible twins.

Things gunning into the small starting room.

[ripe obsidian]

Also true. The elevator and the drop-down

Those parts of assorted maps are... not my favorite. Especially when they don't start spawning until you drop

Chasm Logistratum right at the end, too

That subway tunnel has ended more runs than anywhere except maybe Magistrati's open platform

Tbh a majority of my runs die somewhere that you can't easily back up from

Or places with like 4 boss triggers back to back

[deft stump]

Do you like risk of being knocked off or gunned to death with little cover or bonus DH meaning NO GRENADES ALLOWED?

I saw a poor vet somehow provoking the DH from upstairs once.

[inland gate]

@zealous wing power went out

[zealous wing]

oof

[ripe obsidian]

Hexis killed your power. You were taking too many of his kills

[inland gate]

Wasnt even in a match T-T

[ripe obsidian]

In fact, I do not. I wouldn't mind so much if it weren't at the end of an already long and sloggy map. Feels bad to lose 30 minutes of progress because of twins and a boss, plus a DH, gunners 100m away, and endless specials

It feels like Logistratum doesn't stop spawning enemies once you get past the mid event

Just an endless onslaught that many players get stuck in

And you sit in the tunnels for like 10 minutes trying to convince people to push forward

[deft stump]

But they can't because too much shit.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah.

It's not my least favorite map, but it's up there.

Worst map is Ascension Riser.

By far.

[deft stump]

I think or unlucky Silo?

[ripe obsidian]

Just massive open room followed by massive open room

Silo is also rough

Any map where you have to push through huge hallways with little cover while gunners spawn kilometers away

What fun.

[deft stump]

Feels like a bubble smoke check.

[ripe obsidian]

Is part of why I haven't been using Inferno very much lately. I want to be able to shoot the gunners back.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. And that's not particularly fun imo. I get that the meta exists for a reason, but being relegated to a supporty role in a game without dedicated support roles feels bad.

"Lmao you brought defensive tools, get fucked by the dps check loser"

[deft stump]

Yet ppl keep asking for a support role.

[ripe obsidian]

The issue there is that a support class would need to be obscenely strong not to be dead weight

[deft stump]

Do they really want to bookbot but worse?

[ripe obsidian]

Based on how many bookbots I see?

Yes.

Bookbot is a comparatively easy role.

Stay alive, press F, sometimes use a flamer. Hope to get carried.

[deft stump]

Could also go nuncio EO and ping purple spoopy things.

[marsh badger]

both blaze trauma - ws and inferno ep-bb have more utility compared to cookie cutter inferno ws

b/c gunners

although I think emperor's guidance mod is really nice to have for ep-bb builds

[deft stump]

Also, EO into lights out is scary.

[zealous wing]

why waste a whole keystone, i just use kinetic resonance

[ripe obsidian]

It is an option, yes. I prefer BtL + Forceful Arby. Feels fun. Until I get too far ahead and my team can't or won't support me

Then I die. :<

[ripe obsidian]

EK + Shriek is the way.

[deft stump]

I mean for ppl wanting carries.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. Even that tanky BtL build often feels too weak, honestly. Damage output too low.

[deft stump]

I mean, dog is my damage. Kapp.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I might swap back to doggo

I was mostly using LW for the shock mines.

But those aren't necessary with good teams, and they usually aren't enough to save a bad team

[zealous wing]

psykermain3 dripcheck

[deft stump]

Only in lower diffs. If you get melee spawns.

I get karked if all ranged.

Reload too slow.

[ripe obsidian]

Wha's yer doggo build?

[ripe obsidian]

Gold and red.

I am thinking something like this:

[deft stump]

My havoc one?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

I think Suppression Protocols is better with doggo, since doggo pounce can count as hitting 3 enemies with an attack

[deft stump]

I run EO.

[ripe obsidian]

I am not as good as you

I need the tankiness

[deft stump]

IDK tankiness.

I run 3x toughness.

[deft stump]

I'm bad, you know that.

I just make weird builds that I think work.

The extra dodge is optional. Can go rebreather or something else.

[ripe obsidian]

Gotcha. I like the stagger aura a lot, but it might be worth the TDR aura if I am struggling not to fall over

[weary crane]

Stagger aura is one of the best auras

[deft stump]

I take it only because puppo node pathing.

All into puppo.

Puppo carry as well.

Big question is, does puppo carry the aura as well?

So like if I send puppo to the frontliner, they get TDR as well as my coherency stuff?

[ripe obsidian]

I think doggo counts for coherency

For the TDR aura

Not stagger

[deft stump]

Yes, but I mean, does it carry the aura as well.

Is a curious thing.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think it does

Since it's a unique unit from you

[deft stump]

Like, if I were standing on one end of silo and I sent puppo to chase after the guy on the other end of the map.

Who is next to an ally.

It doesn't happen often, but curious.

[ripe obsidian]

Well, if it were an unbroken chain

Then yes

But if it's just ally and doggo, I don't think so

But doggo can extend the chain

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian

[stray dock]

seeking a starter build for psyker. something that can later function well at higher difficulties (auric not havoc). where should I be looking?

[deft stump]

That one, I know. I think it also makes puppo count as a player to confuse CS if they grab you.

[ripe obsidian]

My child, look ye upon the pins. I have compiled for thee all the builds thou couldst want or need.

For beginner, there are two melee builds listed near the top.

Assail is your primary tool for leveling Psyker. Class feels bad until later levels.

After hitting 30, I recommend probably... Meleeker, EK, Voidblast, Voidstrike, Inferno (in that order) for Auric and below.

[ripe obsidian]

That happens even without the doggo aura

[ripe obsidian]

If I have time tonight, I can bring you to H40 to suffer.

[deft stump]

Oh. I usually have my goober on difficulties where my team doesn't just accidentally the boss.

[cunning delta]

sup mentalists

hope all yall have a fuckin rad day thats all

if u read this i mean u ❤️

[hearty wolf]

@buoyant maple in a bit, I'm constipated

[buoyant maple]

I'm troubleshooting on Linux

[ripe obsidian]

What trouble are you shooting?

[cunning delta]

why inferno at the bottom

[verbal thistle]

Low difficulty doesn't have the density purg wants to perform in

[cunning delta]

inferno doesnt scale enough until like late havoc to be competitive?

[verbal thistle]

Plus with current power creep it won't have much time to shine compared to arby shooting into the horde or scum killing everything in sight

Probably around 30 plus havoc

Yeah

[cunning delta]

makes sense

[verbal thistle]

HP of enemies making them stay alive longer for the dot to work

[ripe obsidian]

As The Zealot Formerly Known as Ainz said, Inferno just can't scale up fast enough in non-Havoc to do anything useful.

Even in H40 it's been struggling a bit

Especially against toxin scum

[cunning delta]

is bowling ball viable or is it just pew pew

[verbal thistle]

It's viable

[cunning delta]

ive played p much exclusively inferno but im trying to branch into other staffs

[ripe obsidian]

Bowling ball is viable in non-Havoc and fine in Havoc if you're good

Voidstrike is my favorite non-Havoc staff

[verbal thistle]

Hard to reach some 1 shots but is a good stagger single target weapon that can hit weakspots

I use it when I don't want to run ek

[cunning delta]

melee psyk just not doin it for me so im looking at other stuff

[verbal thistle]

Try all the staffs

In whatever order

[cunning delta]

sprint cancel m1 inferno has renewed some novelty

[ripe obsidian]

1-shots on scabs are such a gamble since the health buff.

[verbal thistle]

Haven't used it on scab missions

But I can see that

[ripe obsidian]

It's just frustrating. Longest charge time, slowest projectile, and even if you get a headshot (which is not easy for me on moving targets), there's a good chance it won't kill them

VT2 had the Bolt Staff and... something else, no? Were either of them good?

[verbal thistle]

Bolt staff has very long charge with the fastest projectile

And can be made to 1 shot Cwarriors iirc

Also teammates

Beam was different

[ripe obsidian]

I thought for some reason there was another staff similar to bolt

Single projectile for high damage

I must be misremembering

[jovial juniper]

Fireball?

The exclusive Necromancer one has Brain Burst as M2 iirc

[verbal thistle]

Fireball was like trauma if it didn't have its range cap

Trauma but with a projectile

[cunning delta]

is slide uncharged m2 optimal trauma gameplay lol

[ripe obsidian]

But there is also conflagration, which is Trauma, no?

[verbal thistle]

Like sliding while m2ing?

[cunning delta]

ya and release when slide is over

[verbal thistle]

If so that applies to all staffs

[ripe obsidian]

Did you watch Rat's videos?

[jovial juniper]

Conflagration was campfire no?

[verbal thistle]

Sliding is very strong since it doesn't have the movement debuff while charging

[cunning delta]

no

[ripe obsidian]

I think that is Coruscation

[verbal thistle]

Conflag is trauma 1 to 1

[weary crane]

Voidstrike used to be goated when hitmass wasn't so fucking high

[verbal thistle]

Corus is trauma if it an aoe left on the ground

[jovial juniper]

Oh so I got my names mixed then

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. There is a player named Rat who advocates for minimum charge M2s on Trauma. It's effective for him, but a fairly unique playstyle

[cunning delta]

ive seen a couple other psykers doing it

[weary crane]

Give voidstrike manstopper

[cunning delta]

in fact almost everyone on trauma thats done well in my games was doin that lol or close to it

[ripe obsidian]

I usually end up doing like 50% to 70% of a charge

But yes, sliding while charging M2 is good on any staff. And on basically any staff, there's limited reason to do a full charge

It's part of why Channeled Force or whatever it's called is a bad node.

[cunning delta]

i do it a lot on inferno but i do a lot of m1s and such as well

[buoyant maple]

win11 DT's 1% lows are horrendously unstable
wanted to try Linux again cuz it was def more stable on 1% lows , but it used to have 2 big dealbreaker issues for me (mesh streamer broken and C++ runtime error at start of new mission)

[cunning delta]

a little puff puff pass action

[buoyant maple]

mesh streamer can be "fixed" by disabling mesh streamer altogether which forces everything to be rendered

[ripe obsidian]

Optimal charge for Inferno is 45%. Any longer and you lose Blaze Away

[buoyant maple]

however this makes cosmetics take much longer to load

[cunning delta]

noted

[buoyant maple]

but the real big issue for me was the C++ runtime error

[ripe obsidian]

And fashion is endgame.

[jovial juniper]

I think it's called Focused Channelling
I don't remember

[buoyant maple]

it would be if FS actually made a ton of grindable cosmetics on top of what we have rn

[cunning delta]

as a new player im super jealous of everyone's unattainable drip

[ripe obsidian]

Blame whatever exec is enforcing the FOMO marketplace and cosmetics instead of content

[verbal thistle]

Fomo works sadly

That's why it's still used

[ripe obsidian]

I know

[verbal thistle]

I wonder how much more darktide has made compared to vt

I'd wager it's enough to warrant darktide 2

[ripe obsidian]

But I am sure few to no devs actually like the FOMO marketplace or the focus on cosmetics

[buoyant maple]

it's enough to continue updating the game that's for sure

[verbal thistle]

And that's apparent

2 dlcs too

[cunning delta]

most all the good looking stuff is old asf and the stuff for dockets is recolors of prison garb and 1 outfit 😢

[buoyant maple]

prob 2 more this year who knows

[verbal thistle]

Embrace the prison outfit

[buoyant maple]

I hope they do smth like VT2's forgotten relics DLC

[verbal thistle]

I can see that happening

[buoyant maple]

map DLCs are cringe but I wouldn't mind some cool weapons for each class

[verbal thistle]

I wonder what changed during vt1 time to urge them to make vt2

Could there be a comparison to current dt, I wonder

[buoyant maple]

was mainly increase in scope I think?

a lot of the stuff in VT2 weren't built in VT1

they couldn't update VT1 to become VT2

idk

[verbal thistle]

Possible engine/graphic overhaul with the idea of adding more classes baseline with more maps?

I could see that with how the game struggles rn

But I don't game develop. If the possible of them fixing the major engine bugs with patches, then why haven't they already. So that's why I'm thinking dt2. But that's just a theory

I'm just bored rn

[buoyant maple]

I think this game rn needs more weapons & maps than new classes

[verbal thistle]

I agree

Balance and with more weapons

[buoyant maple]

3 maps, at least 3 new weapons, and maybe 1 class
on top of changes to existing classes

for 2026

would be great

[verbal thistle]

Ogryns still in shambles

New weapon was over a year

I guess that's true for all classes bar vet

[buoyant maple]

I'm just upset that we went from

arb shield maul

to falchion

to bonesaw

[verbal thistle]

Lmao

Falchion....

[buoyant maple]

immaculate drop in aura

historic fall

[buoyant maple]

before hvs release I thought bonesaw was gonna be "fachion but good"

after hvs release I realized falchion is actually "bonesaw but good"

[verbal thistle]

Is bonesaw a staple scum weapon?

[jovial juniper]

Oh I was about to ask if bonesaw was good

[buoyant maple]

kinda?

[verbal thistle]

*lore wise I guess

[jovial juniper]

💀

[buoyant maple]

bro the light linesmen atk has 3 cleave

[buoyant maple]

the shivs' light sweep have more cleave than bonesaw's light sweep

[jovial juniper]

Heh knife

It's 4, right?

[buoyant maple]

and bonesaw's stagger breakpoints are fully atrocious

[buoyant maple]

shiv light is 4 yea

well the good variant anyway

[jovial juniper]

Yeah I think Karien told me that

Mk2

[buoyant maple]

mk1 is the good variant

[jovial juniper]

Also a worse weapon than Falchion is really crazy

[zealous wing]

so in case anyone was curious, train can still be failed after you win lmao

[mighty shuttle]

Falchion is terrible?

It was fun to use and seemed functional for its role.

[jovial juniper]

Mid tier
There are worse weapons

[mighty shuttle]

Aye it’s one of my favorites admittedly on vet.

I plan to try to push vet in havoc and see if I can still leverage that weapon well enough

[wraith sphinx]

Falchion felt like a very "master of none" weapon to me

[ripe obsidian]

@hearty wolf

Dis what I got

[cunning delta]

silent pox about to make me quit this game fr

idk how yall deal

[ripe obsidian]

with mods.

[cunning delta]

oof

[ripe obsidian]

Danger Sense is the one I use. Or whatever it's called. Adds a radius around them

[cunning delta]

i hadnt because it felt like cheating but if the game doesnt function then im not left with much alternative

[ripe obsidian]

Welcome to Fatshark games

Enjoy your stay

[cunning delta]

feels terrible

[ripe obsidian]

Brought to you by the same mindset as, "Modders will fix [insert Bethsda game here]"

[cunning delta]

from the outside looking in i always thought that shit was a meme ngl

[buoyant maple]

Danger zone

One of the only mods I run

[buoyant maple]

It can only break rager atk with heavy overhead’s 2nd damage tick

[ripe obsidian]

thank you

[buoyant maple]

It’s really good at farming hordes for sample collector spam for stim crate but that’s about it

It doesn’t kill elites well enough on its own to do that same Strat of crate spam

[hearty wolf]

I just stab

I stab sniper

[pine elk]

jumpscare setup

[ripe obsidian]

what if the sniper kicks you first?

[hearty wolf]

I'm TOUGH

I'll take it

[jovial juniper]

Everybody says that
Until they get kicked by a specialist

https://tenor.com/view/mike-tyson-everyboday-has-a-plan-until-they-get-punched-in-the-mouth-plan-planned-gif-21596546

[pine elk]

gets kicked by a flamer
toughness eviscerated

[jovial juniper]

A specialist
An specialist
What's the rule here

Eh doesn't matter

[cunning delta]

if the word starts with a vowel sound it's an, otherwise a

[plucky flax]

An hour

[cunning delta]

the h is silent in hour, it's prounounced with a vowel sound

[strong whale]

finally went and did the kill monstrosity with brain burst penance for the last cosmetic... feels good

[zealous wing]

gg

[white valley]

And yet, a world instead of an world

[hearty wolf]

I err

Think that proves the point

@ripe obsidian eta?

[strong whale]

in case anyone ever tries to ctrl+f like i did, feel free to @ me for malleus monstronum and i'll help you if im available

[loud girder]

the dog wanted to shut the music off

[zealous wing]

i have some bad news for you... W makes a sound

[white valley]

indeed, the exact same sound as U

[modest perch]

uorld

[cunning delta]

what in the uorld is bro talkin bout

[jovial juniper]

Y'all say U like 'you'

So therefore

An

I don't make the rules

Wait

Unless you use 'double u' for w

Then it's a

https://tenor.com/view/choso-the-voices-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-breakdown-gif-1221393414151192250

[zealous wing]

does U sound like a W though

i know it does after a Q

[jovial juniper]

Avowed

[zealous wing]

i guess in loud it kinda sounds like a W

but even then its not quite the same

[jovial juniper]

I'm saying wedding out loud

[zealous wing]

but you do have a point there regardless

[jovial juniper]

There's like

[zealous wing]

is a ewe not an ewe

no

wait