psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

But I much prefer to get uncanny stacks by actually hitting enemies

Either way, Scum has more or less removed the need to do it

[hearty wolf]

I would probably benefit from watching @buoyant maple and @verbal thistle gameplay to see what I'm missing too for normal gameplay without completely buff uptime maxxing. I always try and understand what I'm doing "wrong" or what we could have done when we lose but sometimes I just don't understand what I could have done in a situation in particular

[ripe obsidian]

Why spend 15+ seconds setting up to kill crushers when a scum can do more in 2 seconds?

[hearty wolf]

Although my recent spree I'm going to blame powersword for having dog shit mobility and against CS with no space, it's fucking aids

[ripe obsidian]

On Inferno builds, I don't want to be responsible for crushers or bosses. I want to control the horde and make space for my team to handle those big threats.

Oh, another thing

EE shouldn't apply if Inferno hits nothing

It doesn't seem to for EK

But inferno can get EE for shooting air

Because ????

[hearty wolf]

It does seem a little absurd yeah

[crisp ether]

I don't even think EE should be a thing

End of story.

[ripe obsidian]

EE as a talent is fine. But it's too easy to get in the talent tree.

[crisp ether]

EE was there to compensate for when psyker was actually squishy, once upon a time.

[ripe obsidian]

Swap EE and Kinetic Deflection's locations.

[hearty wolf]

I think % chance for no damage is kind of a shit mechanic

It feels like it fits more in an ARPG than darktide

I just don't like things that are inconsistent is all

[ripe obsidian]

I will say that playing without EE after using it several games in a row is a shock. "Wait, I can get hit?!"

[crisp ether]

It's a janky kind of survivability that makes things feel inconsistent imho

[hearty wolf]

There's lots of times I see a Psyker just explode because EE decided to not proc for no reason for ages.

And also times where someone survives complete bullshit, a complete lack of respect for positioning because of EE

[ripe obsidian]

That's the thing. It should be gambling. Risky. But I hit 75% or higher crit rate on a non-SG EK build. I hit 45% or so usually on Inferno, and Inferno crits overlap enough that it means almost constant immunity.

Inferno should not give EE if you hit empty air, and EE should not be in the main path of the tree.

[cold ivy]

Nowadays you have infinite EE by just spamming dodge

[hearty wolf]

(brb)

[ripe obsidian]

True.

Dodge linger is busted.

[cold ivy]

But eventually when they fix linger it'll be relevant again

[ornate hamlet]

gamba

[ripe obsidian]

It's funny how Ogryn went from almost indisputably the best class to pretty mid without any significant changes to them (that I can recall)

[misty ferry]

Batter was nerfed

[modest perch]

they were gonna give ogryn the ol death by 1000 cuts like they did in the past but instead changed course after the first few cuts n just double the heatlh of all the armor so the anti armor frontliner took an effective 50% cut to its dmg output

[misty ferry]

Crusher HP was buffed

Literally that's why he fell

The crusher HP buff was the thing that sent em to the mid tier

[ripe obsidian]

Batter?

[modest perch]

well that and just how the game spawns stuff

[misty ferry]

Bleed talent

[ripe obsidian]

Ahhhh

[misty ferry]

Nah if crushers had old hp he'd be fine

[modest perch]

when its all specialist spam and spread out shooters like why even bother with the class

[ripe obsidian]

I had no idea what it was named. I just know bonk n' bleed. But Oggy is my least played class.

[misty ferry]

That was a thing during the rework and he was goated

[modest perch]

its been a thing. its still a thing

[misty ferry]

Again the issue is the crusher and mauler HP buff, it made pickaxe kinda mid (still good, but now bully club is better at carapace horde)

(and Shield is still like shield goated)

[misty ferry]

I'm saying that his fall wasn't cuz of specialist/gunner spam tho

[mental grail]

We need a FGS skin that isn't dogshit

[buoyant maple]

wouldn't call them mid, they're super strong in their intended role but they do lack a lot of flexibility

[mental grail]

What do you mean zealots get a cool skin amd we dont??

what bullshit man

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot needs it more than we do.

It's a pity skin for them

[buoyant maple]

the ice blade skin for FGS is nice

I like it

[mental grail]

I'm tired of camo blades man

[buoyant maple]

blood on it after kills is good contrast

[mental grail]

Let my sword look like an actual sword

They dont do that bullshit with space marine power swords

[ripe obsidian]

I am rarely unhappy to see an Ogryn, unless they're Rumbler spam, but it does feel like they're kinda forced to just hold the line while other people plink away at enemies from behind them.

[misty ferry]

Psyker sitting as the best class of the game complaining that their big sword didn't get a skin:

[spice oar]

The staff skin in the store rn is pretty cool imo

Big eye

[mental grail]

Its all about the drip man

[buoyant maple]

yea they just do 1 thing super well atm

I hope they get the right-side rework they deserve

[mental grail]

That i cannot deny, we do get pretty baller stave skins.

[buoyant maple]

that whole branch's design is just wrong

[misty ferry]

So true

[buoyant maple]

gun ogryn should not be the "I spam gun" branch

[spice oar]

Exactly sibling

[misty ferry]

Tbf what should it be then

"controlled weapon bursts" yeah sure tell that to an ogryn

[spice oar]

Maybe like spam gun but

Yeah I’ve got no ideas

[buoyant maple]

“Speedy frontliner who happens to be good at gun”

Is what I brought up to a playtester

I also have a rly hot take

[misty ferry]

That feels like left tree side with heavy stubber

[spice oar]

I think people really like the “slow moving Tank cannon” vibe

[buoyant maple]

No, left side isn’t fast

[misty ferry]

True

[spice oar]

Walking slowly forwards while laying fire with the stubbers

[buoyant maple]

Og weapons generally can use ~10% extra atk speed to feel good

[misty ferry]

I miss how good pickaxe was at cara without the need of thrust

[buoyant maple]

This is a hot take from me but I think Swift slaying can actually be kinda balanced in DT if it’s an ogryn talent

they're the 1 singular class that wouldn't become immediately busted with swift slaying

[misty ferry]

Maybe...

Doesn't sound exactly like a hot take

Doesn't he get like

23.5% crit chance max all in?

[buoyant maple]

no

[misty ferry]

2.5% base crit, 5% gun, 16% massacre

Am I forgetting something?

[ripe obsidian]

I do enjoy the attack speed boosting talents on Oggy. Feels like ramping up to mayhem.

[modest perch]

the lucky bullet crit

[buoyant maple]

well
there's 1 gun u could run crit chance and that gun is abysmal

so it's rly just 18.5%

[mental grail]

im still using the last one lol

[buoyant maple]

and ur never rly gonna run crit chance on any og melee ever

[buoyant maple]

still rly good

[misty ferry]

I know I'm just

Really used to Havoc

[buoyant maple]

they 4 hit crusher in havoc

[misty ferry]

My oggy build must be shit then

[mental grail]

dont worry man, if they are too busted FS, could just increase the amount of enemies that spawn, they rarely do that so it wouldnt be a problem

[ripe obsidian]

4-hitting a rotten armor crusher when he has 20 buddies by his side (and the scum and vet have both killed 6 in that same amount of time).

[buoyant maple]

no they actually don't kill slow vs vet or hvs

[misty ferry]

Honestly now that you mentioned Swift slaying on oggy...

[buoyant maple]

vet power sword is also like 4 hits

[modest perch]

yea and with that atk speed that might as well be an eternity

[misty ferry]

That actually sounds okay?

[buoyant maple]

how

most of that isn't heavy atk

[misty ferry]

PA + Light doesn't take too long at all?

[modest perch]

4 x (slow attacks) x 20 crushers = forever

[buoyant maple]

ik lol

[misty ferry]

Where could this even go tho

[buoyant maple]

it's the 1 singular class where swift slaying wouldn't immediately mess everything up

[misty ferry]

Or what should it replace

[ripe obsidian]

I was more thinking kraks on hyperstacked crushers or scum plinking away with the needler.

[buoyant maple]

next to massacre and lucky streak

I want right side og to be atk speed/crit/mobile frontliner (who happens to be good at gun)

instead of slow & heavy like left/middle

[misty ferry]

I see

[modest perch]

so gun psyker but big ?

[buoyant maple]

eh, not necessarily

cuz psyker is fundamentally a ranged class, whereas og is fundamentally a melee frontlining class

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker maybe should be ranged-oriented

But, uh

Y'know, let's give Scrier's Gaze 20% attack speed, golden toughness, and double melee range.

[buoyant maple]

I think right side og should retain some of that cleave & impact value that og is expected to have

[modest perch]

how tho ? move the cleave n impact nodes up the tree?

[buoyant maple]

slam is still there, and maybe give right side og a dedicated cleave talent

[modest perch]

true but im thinking about the big ones under hh

[buoyant maple]

those can stay exclusive to heavy hitter tbh

[modest perch]

well yea

their location is thematically appropriate

ofc the necessity of getting cleave/impact on a nonmelee build is heavily weapon dependent at this time

[buoyant maple]

I'm just going off of cleaver cuz that's the more iconic gunlugger melee to me

faster, more mobile, prob should work with crit kit better

[modest perch]

n like lets be real the pick is the only melee that truly stands on its own

[buoyant maple]

can also give right side some rending tbh

left doesn't need rending much

[modest perch]

cleaver gunlugger is one of the most dead weight setups tho

[buoyant maple]

yea and it shouldn't be

[modest perch]

idk if it was ever good or if some youtuber has them taking it but its so grim

[buoyant maple]

a lot of og weapons can use improvements

[buoyant maple]

cleaver when og rework came out was rly nice

but with crusher hp buff it's fallen off a lot

[modest perch]

yea

i mean it was a huge improvement over being terrible but it always needed like every melee node

[buoyant maple]

it still kills most elites pretty well, just struggles into carapace mainly

if right side had smth like
+15% rending for 3s on heavy attack hit, it'd be nice for cleaver

[radiant frigate]

so what's the best ogryn weapon and why is it bully club

🪤

[ripe obsidian]

Because you're a bully for saying someone's build isn't great. >:( Bully club for a big bully.

[hearty wolf]

I fucking hate Ogryns

The amount of visual noise they can cause is insane

They walk through you? You can't see anything for like a full second

I just think there should be slightly better transparency with stuff like that

As for like, them actually existing, they're fun to be with

[ripe obsidian]

@dull scroll is the mod you use for reducing fire I Wanna See? And is there an option to just reduce the flame, not remove it entirely?

[verbal thistle]

remove all fire with I wanna see

if not I can ask the creator if he can tweak it

[ripe obsidian]

The thing that has been getting me recently is heavy staggered enemies body blocking me. So a body on the ground I either thought was dead or just didn't see

[ripe obsidian]

I would like to still have some visual indicator, if possible. It helps me play.

Is why I have not used I Wanna See before. Removing it all would negatively impact my ability to play the game

[hearty wolf]

Minesweeper moment

Damn ankle biters

[verbal thistle]

I asked

It might be something that has to be on or off, no in between

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

Is okay if it's not possible

[dull scroll]

yes, and no there is no option for reduction I don't think

[verbal thistle]

" to my knowledge you can't set opacity of certain vfx in darktide"

[hearty wolf]

Time to inject a texture opacity slider

[zealous wing]

if textures can be removed, and replaced with a circle on the ground, i would presume its feasable to remove the fire then replace it with your own semi-transparent fire, no?

[shadow oar]

is there a mod that makes it so peril/sciers doesn’t drown out all other sound lmfao

[tiny kindle]

What is the assault chainswords dump stat?

[hearty wolf]

Yes but I think that's actually potentially a base game effect now that I think about it

[frail osprey]

Almost forgot how funny voidblast was.

[shadow oar]

my favorite kind of mod, the base game

ty

[spice aurora]

i want the new map in havoc rotation 😡

[modest perch]

pls no

[zinc phoenix]

Imagine not maxing it 😤

I wish they’d add more spooky sounds for it, I’m tired of the same guy every time

[spice aurora]

"how to get accepted into every group 101"

[ornate hamlet]

The Heihachi hair is always a refined choice

[inland gate]

yo wats that build

[hardy coral]

Heavy sword is actually quite amusing on Psyker.

[granite stratus]

Oh shit

[proper spoke]

The emperor had smiled upon you today

[indigo galleon]

Are there build guides to follow?

[viscid matrix]

[indigo galleon]

Ohh god there’s 50 builds for this class??? Is there a best one?

[dull scroll]

😏

Yes

[proper spoke]

I presume it would depend on your playstyle

And skill

[indigo galleon]

Idk what to do I do like melee

[dull scroll]

and which difficulty you planning to play on

[indigo galleon]

But I just like op builds

[indigo galleon]

Whatever is meta and does the hardest content

[proper spoke]

Melee psyker is fun. Super fast and is a living blender

[dull scroll]

prob this one then https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0a667cd-4d49-4f68-8cf8-2f1ee57eab29/melee-with-walls-or-scriers-havoc-40-focus

[indigo galleon]

Ohh is this the great sword?

[dull scroll]

Yess

[indigo galleon]

Ty, are the staffs broken or something? Guy put it in the darktide 3 tier list lmao

[proper spoke]

Flame staff is OP

[plucky flax]

Looks like meme tier list

[indigo galleon]

There a flame staff build

[proper spoke]

Are you telling or asking?

[indigo galleon]

Asking sorry lol

[proper spoke]

I would be shocked if there isn't, but I haven't checked

[ripe obsidian]

this was

not a fun game

if you have done a total of 80k damage 20 minutes into an H40, you probably should reconsider what difficulty you're joining

[dull scroll]

depends, you want the safe one or the power overwhelming one

[ripe obsidian]

I have several firestick builds

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[ripe obsidian]

It's a multifaceted answer.

• Inferno has infinite cleave. This is particularly useful in Havoc, where enemies have increased hitmass.
• Due to this, Inferno psykers often have very high damage numbers.
• Psyker is, on the whole, too strong right now. This is an issue independent of weapons.
• Many people feel that the spread of Soulblaze is broken and should be removed. I do not agree, but that's a different issue.
• Most people don't understand how Psyker even works, so they either say it's OP or too weak.

And so on, and so forth.

[dull scroll]

that's prob a book bot zealot, excusable

now this

😏

[ripe obsidian]

It's not excusable 20 minutes in, imo.

But how did that person do 400k damage as an inferno psyker

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/beats-me-kelsey-grammer-frasier-crane-frasier-who-knows-gif-2612243648471993096

[ripe obsidian]

400k damage is accidentally sneezing in the direction of the horde

[indigo galleon]

Is soul blaze a uhh weapon or something

[indigo galleon]

Do they both do the hardest content and power overwhelming what’s that

[dull scroll]

yes they both do, one's got bubble the other one got Shriek

[spice aurora]

https://youtu.be/e-QgbWot2XY?si=XFSxHGkTHhW8xbAy

kinda low to mid clutch ngl but i aint play in a while and it uses walls if any1 interested in walls

[plucky flax]

How about bubble knight

[dull scroll]

shieet, you recorded that clutch from your pov, very nice

[indigo galleon]

Man I have no clue tbh.. kinda new.. what’s the difference

[dull scroll]

wait a min, if you are new why are you worried about builds for the highest diff of this game? what lvl are you?

[proper spoke]

That was fun to watch

[spice aurora]

@plucky flax I like being quirky with my walls and laughing as people get netted thru it, dogged thru it, or burster walks thru it 😈

[indigo galleon]

Ohh 13 lol. Well I do this in most games but I just like op brain dead builds lol. I like unbalance

[dull scroll]

okay well at 13 none of these end game build will apply to you go find something in the pin'd guide with assail lol

that will rip through whatever diff you are at now

[patent jacinth]

You are mine enemy.
The duel shall be held upon the morrow's dawn

[indigo galleon]

I get the inferno staff at 15 right?

[dull scroll]

you don't understand, you get garbo staffs from vendors and/or having low mastery

while below 30 and poor on resource

[patent jacinth]

(Inferno is busted and works fine anyway)

[dull scroll]

your assail on the other hand, is the same assail that people use to rip though the highest diff of this game later

and you have it now

use builds that use assail

[dull scroll]

no lol, it's even worse at lower diff where there is literally no mob density

[proper spoke]

Sometimes it's good to just mess about with builds and gear in the early levels.

Get to know the game. Then when you are ready for high level matches you will be more experienced and knowledgeable

[indigo galleon]

Are those the daggers

[dull scroll]

yes, the weird knife missiles

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze is blue fire

[indigo galleon]

And that’s what the inferno staff shoots?

[upbeat kestrel]

Yup

[ripe obsidian]

I think I just accidentally fucked someone's True Survivor run

at the very end of Dark Communion, the shieldsplosion from the end event threw me around a corner and into a bunch of shotgunners

[patent jacinth]

There are no accidents

[ripe obsidian]

I died before I hit the ground

The Arby was running Havoc-Forged as a title rather than TS.

And I was the only down. :<

[ripe obsidian]

I have both new player builds and havoc-ready builds in the pinned build guide

[proper spoke]

I really need to organize a True Survivor team at some time

[ripe obsidian]

That one should've been TS. I feel really bad if I ruined it for the Arby

[proper spoke]

Understandable, but accidents happen

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I got split from the team by a bunch of specials and elites, and as I was trying to group back up I was tossed by the explosion.

The shotgunners were happier to see me than I was to see them.

Was a very solid team overall.

[plucky flax]

I can help if you play eu server

[ripe obsidian]

I must say, I think EK + Shriek is signficantly more fun than Inferno + Shriek or EK + SG. At least on non-Rotten Armor maps. EK feels like garbage into rot.

But it's also a jack of all trades kinda build.

Not as good at horde clear as Inferno, not as good at bosses or elites/specials as EK + SG.

[dull scroll]

EK + SG, at that point it's pretty much a melee build 😏

[ripe obsidian]

But I feel less helpless against distant gunners as compared with Inferno, and less useless against hordes as with EK + SG.

And even without SG, scoreboard says I had 75% ranged crit rate

Which is stupid as hell

[plucky flax]

Do you not use fgs on surge surge gaze?

Horde clear there

[proper spoke]

I appreciate the offer, but I think I need to improve my skills more before attempting.

The highest I've done so far was H20. The matches went well, but I was pushing my limits at that time

[ripe obsidian]

I do use it. I also use it on Surge Surge Shriek.

[plucky flax]

So why horde problem?

[ripe obsidian]

But I wanna pewpew, not chopchop

If I am choppin' hordes, I am not pewpewing things.

I guess useless was the wrong word to use there.

[plucky flax]

Let team deal with horde

[ripe obsidian]

Your problem there is saying, "let team deal with" anything.

[acoustic jacinth]

Ek + shriek is p fun, though i been enjoying ek + sg for m2 spam. Everybody understandably prefers m1 but lightning is kewl

[indigo galleon]

Hmm so these are the main inferno staff builds?

[ripe obsidian]

There are a couple builds for each ability, plus a template to help you build your own

[indigo galleon]

Damn idk which one to go for.. guess I’ll have to try the top two out

[ripe obsidian]

I think I have a recommended build at the top of the sections

I try to update them as I play different things

[acoustic jacinth]

Have you played with ainz's VB build much?

I been running that lately

Minus JaD, since i don't enjoy it, but the rest is v fun

[proper spoke]

Inferno + scrier's sounds fun. I might give it a try later

[plucky flax]

[proper spoke]

Voidblast is so much fun, but I feel like I shouldn't use it. Far too easy to accidentally blow up something I shouldn't have

[ripe obsidian]

I have never tried it, but I assume you mean the one in the guide?

[ripe obsidian]

I think @sturdy reef uses that a lot

[ripe obsidian]

they patched that, somewhat

Only the inner explosion should set off barrels and bursters now

[sturdy reef]

Its fun

[acoustic jacinth]

You'd have a much better time with shriek there no? Inferno applies sb stacks easily especially if you edge well, so you can overcap without effort

[sturdy reef]

Im on a meleeker/scummer kick rn

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah

[sturdy reef]

SG damage buff applies to SB as well

[ripe obsidian]

In this case, I don't think SG is better than Shriek, but it's still viable. Skill > optimal builds

[sturdy reef]

And the after effect buff

SG inferno still farms ezpz

[ripe obsidian]

Same reason a lot of the Zealots in H40 are running Fanmangus builds now. Stealth + Relic Sword is not necessarily the best, but it's fun and different

[acoustic jacinth]

No doubt, just sayin, i like SG however overcapping soublaze is still more damage than what soulblaze could achieve with SG buffs

[sturdy reef]

Ive been doing Heavy sword with melee scummer

And dclaw

[proper spoke]

I only tried it for the first time yesterday. It is fun, but I ended up running my own heavily modified build

[dull scroll]

oh I don't know about that, Katz' been spamming that Stealth + Relic combo long before this latest Fatmangus facade

[sturdy reef]

Tf is a fatmangus

[ripe obsidian]

Not just Katz. Ainz is doing it as well, and others

[proper spoke]

Haven't tried clutching with fatmangus in a high level match yet

[patent jacinth]

Hp tank zealot

[ripe obsidian]

stealth + relic blade

[sturdy reef]

Lol

[patent jacinth]

Lets you shrug off snipers and bursters in hav 40 like poxwalker swings

Its kinda disgusting

[ripe obsidian]

The Scolipede is definitely more informed than me on this topic

[sturdy reef]

Turning off AI is always good

[cold ivy]

why/how does it work? is it just taking as much hp as possible and then stacking DR?

[sturdy reef]

Get a ES vet

[patent jacinth]

Yep

[sturdy reef]

Ezpz

[patent jacinth]

3 hp curios

And like all the dr in the tree

[ripe obsidian]

I need to try out ES Vet in havoc. Just been psykerin'

[dull scroll]

ainz and the others' been doing it as a result of seeing Fat's build and trying out the face tanks, I'm talking about pure dmg stealth relic zeal https://youtu.be/1yYmm3_x1Rw

[restive roost]

Anyone, what do you think is the hottest fit available at the Commodore's?

[patent jacinth]

Plus relic and shroud so you still have burst and can make extremely safe revives

[sturdy reef]

Do it with the helbore

So good

[patent jacinth]

Stealth also has Dr attached to it too

[acoustic jacinth]

On top of everything shroudfield itself gives damage reduction for some time after its usage too so yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I am uninformed of the ways of Zealots.

[sturdy reef]

Helbore ES vet eats gunners and reapers alive

[acoustic jacinth]

That is highly subjective. For example of course i nabbed psychic hood for krieg

[patent jacinth]

This would be considered mental illness 2 weeks ago

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone who enters Zealot chat is consenting to mental illness, I think.

[dull scroll]

I don't know much about zealots at that lvl either, all I know is relic stealth is something and this guy's been spamming it for a long time, results sure convinced me

[sturdy reef]

Looks fine 2 me lol

[patent jacinth]

You kinda need the full build yo understand how fast anyone who posted it would be torn apart

It runs Overload on relic

[sturdy reef]

Looool

[patent jacinth]

A lethal prox bistol (or weapon of choice)

3 hp curios with hp minor perks over toughness

[sturdy reef]

I mean Ive played with it

[proper spoke]

My mental illnesses are not compatible with those in zealot chat

[patent jacinth]

The only toughness regen in this entire tree is second wind and shroudfield

[sturdy reef]

It does well

Sg inferno will rise one day

Ull see

How dumb and braindead it is

[proper spoke]

I go for a a lighter gun, just so I can switch quick enough to take out trappers

[patent jacinth]

Please gods no

[sturdy reef]

2 late

Im the only one Ive seen run it in 40s

But its already 2late

[jovial juniper]

1 is too much

[sturdy reef]

[acoustic jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[ripe obsidian]

I spy with my little eye: a Psyker in the H40 queue with stamina and stamina regen on their curios

???

I am perplexed

[restive roost]

Yes, of course it's entirely subjective. I personally really like this one and holding onto my money when it comes back in rotation

[quartz barn]

Rare karien build variation in the wild

[ripe obsidian]

I can't wait for rot to get the fuck out of the rotation

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark will create a world where rotten armor stays forever

It's called rotation for a reason

[ripe obsidian]

Rot felt like it made sense with reduced ranged damage. Like, there are now larger quantities of dangerous enemies that you are forced into melee to kill efficiently.

Cool, got it.

[restive roost]

TheEncroachingGardentation

[ripe obsidian]

But now it's just another in the long line of, "Fuck you for being in melee" modifiers

[ripe obsidian]

Encroaching Garden at least makes my damage numbers very big. =)

I wonder if it would be fun if Fatshark implemented a sort of... not open-world, but like, a dungeon you could explore without a set end? Go in for as long as you can, then leave with loot. Not sure what the loot would even be.

[restive roost]

I'm not sure how that would work though.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm kinda thinking of Warframe's open world stuff.

But less open

[restive roost]

But that kind of map size is gonna be trouble, Obese Megalodon optimization.

[ripe obsidian]

Or, hell, a mission type that requires you to find and collect a specific item around the map, but the map is procedurally generated.

Sort of like DRG.

[ripe obsidian]

You are not wrong.

I'm a broken record at this point, but I'm confused and frustrated that Fatshark put in the work to make these tilesets for each biome, then did nothing with them.

[restive roost]

Let's just wait for their next game, if there is going to be one..

[ripe obsidian]

I wouldn't be surprised if they've diverted loads of dev resources to Vermintide 3, now set in Age of Sigmar.

Which, y'know, fighting Skaven in space sounds hilarious to me

[zealous wing]

its in the new psyker section of the build guide

[ripe obsidian]

oh my fucking lord

It's not that EE procs on Inferno even when not hitting enemies

It's that if you crit, hitting nothing, while an enemy is affected by soulblaze

EE procs

I hate this.

[zealous wing]

... is this a bug or did you just not know

[ripe obsidian]

I did not know it worked that way

And I hate that it works that way

It's supposed to be when you hit an enemy with a critical attack. But I guess it conflates hitting an enemy with soulblaze and the crit

This is so dumb

[zealous wing]

intimidation rolls

[ripe obsidian]

Did you know this? Am I just the last to realize?

[zealous wing]

i dont think i KNEW but i definitely felt it when i took EE off inferno for testing

[ripe obsidian]

it works for any staff

[zealous wing]

so i just instinctively flame even if i cant reach things

it was the most noticable on inferno, is what i mean

[ripe obsidian]

wait, works for melee, too

=|

[zealous wing]

i presume this works for mettle too then

[ripe obsidian]

Lemme confirm

I think it doesn't

[zealous wing]

it explains why i feel more speedy on inferno than on trauma if so

[ripe obsidian]

yeah, does not seem to proc mettle

but for some reason KF is procing perfect timing

what is even happening

[acoustic jacinth]

You're a psyker, psyker stuff is happening

[zealous wing]

well it is a BB

[ripe obsidian]

it isn't a crit

perfect timing is +damage on critical hits

[zealous wing]

also what roughly is mettle called in the code?

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so if KF goes off while getting a critical hit with a weapon that does not hit an enemy

It procs mettle and perfect timing

But an enemy afflicted by soulblaze taking damage while you have a weapon crit that hits nothing

does proc ee

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-chosen-one-dead-horse-beating-doll-gif-15388021356827517637

oops, wrong gif

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-ihnmaims-am-hate-hate-speech-gif-1392574611171398983

[zealous wing]

ill just scan the buff manager

lol not even mentioning toughness

[ripe obsidian]

I am loading into an MMT game to see if this works in live servers or just the psykhanium

Fix all the bugs with how Psyker works and suddenly it'll be the weakest class

[zealous wing]

oh

it works on reconlas burning

so, any infernus

[ripe obsidian]

yeah, in a live game, KF will proc Mettle and PT

So long as you've gotten a critical hit in the last ??? amount of time

[verbal thistle]

Dots can trigger crit talents iirc

[ripe obsidian]

but if you get KF without having crit recently, it does not.

[ripe obsidian]

not quite

[verbal thistle]

Oh wait no

This might be similar to how dots stole fury of the faithful buffs

[ripe obsidian]

If an enemy is afflicted by a DoT when you get a crit that hits empty air, on any weapon, it registers as a critical hit and an enemy hit.

DoTs alone cannot proc it

But a DoT plus a crit on nothing does.

[hearty wolf]

Sounds like something about a player's damage being tied to a tick rate.

I reckon if the DoT owner is someone else, it would get even more fucked up

[zealous wing]

tox desperado vulture ddge uzi

[ripe obsidian]

Seems right. What's more puzzling is KF counting as a critical hit if you've crit within the last like 5 seconds.

The window there is absurdly large

[hearty wolf]

I guess you've got to look at it backwards to make sense of it.

Why is there a large margin of error for KF?

oh

[ripe obsidian]

doesn't work

just tried

tox + useless crit does not proc vulture's dodge

[hearty wolf]

How long does it take to fully brain burst a monstrosity? I would imagine it's 3 seconds but if it's 5, maybe KF just kind of accelerates the animation to be instant but it's the duration is still there

Like the damage is front loaded rather than back loaded

Oh wait sorry I just had a fever dream that brain burst actually scaled off the size of things xd

You know, how it should work

[ripe obsidian]

Venting Shriek will proc EE even without Creeping Flames.

[zealous wing]

what the fuck

why unsorted 😭

its everything

[ripe obsidian]

Chaos has afflicted your inventory

[summer prairie]

Clearly sorted

[zealous wing]

its alphabetical...

i can change it back at least but fatshark... why the fuck is that even a thing

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, my current thought is that if EE worked properly instead of procing on fucking everything, it would be a good step toward balance.

[ripe obsidian]

pretty sure that's a mod.

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/99

[zealous wing]

i dont have that

[ripe obsidian]

oh

huh

[zealous wing]

it just chose violence on my brain 😭

[ripe obsidian]

!

THE CHOSEN BLADE

if only it weren't on my second psyker

[zealous wing]

typo

i presume its supposed to be 04 not 14

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, just a time traveler

[zealous wing]

also,

[ripe obsidian]

I got attacked by a bear and died before I could finish that

[zealous wing]

rip 😔

if only you had smite

[ripe obsidian]

but did you see

my 10% WR sword

[zealous wing]

i didnt, very fuckin cool

[ripe obsidian]

:D

[zealous wing]

i was in proofread mode looking for builds to try

well, after looking for builds to try*

[ripe obsidian]

it's a whole extra 4% peril gen compared with my 21% sword

like 57.5% vs 53.5%

Which is meaningless, but

[zealous wing]

still cool

[ripe obsidian]

The next milestone is a sub-10% WR sword

And a sub-20% WR 1h sword and sub-20% firestick

[zealous wing]

my current, got rid of the defence dump sword, so this is my technical lowest

still good enough

[ripe obsidian]

I have a 21% FGS on my main psyker, a 25% Obscurus, and a 28% Deimos

[zealous wing]

i hate how many of my builds are using DS atm

its for mobility but, its kinda boring

[ripe obsidian]

if it's linear, 28% to 25% is 1.2% peril on the active

Hopefully I get a sub-20% Deimos soon.

[ripe obsidian]

I'll fix the assail bit later

I needs to sleep

[zealous wing]

yes, do sleeps

[ripe obsidian]

feel like it'll be quite hard to get another 10% weapon

[wind spruce]

Sub 10% isn't possible from brunts

[ripe obsidian]

Is that so?

[wind spruce]

Yep, because the max rating you can roll isn't high enough

The most stats you can get is 280

So 70/70/70/70/0

[ripe obsidian]

I seem to have gotten lucky, then

[wind spruce]

You'll always get atleast 10%

You can get it from emps gifts etc

[ripe obsidian]

Fascinating.

Well, 10% shall be the goal, then

[wind spruce]

I spent like 30 mill and my best with all 80s was 19% 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I am probably sitting around 15m spent gambling

Best prior to this is 21% for FGS and 25% for Force Swords

I think high 20s for Inferno

[wind spruce]

21% is very solid

If you're will to sacrifice a couple of percent in defenses or something you can hit low tens easily

But even with 5% off one other stat getting to 10% never happened to me

But i didn't roll everything up that mightve hit that criteria to be fair

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, getting lower wouldn't be any tangible benefit

It's more of a thing to do because it's funny

[wind spruce]

Absolutely

Gotta do something with those dockets

[summer prairie]

So 76% mob and 7% wr from the shop is near perfect

[wind spruce]

Yep haha

One look at shop vs 30 mill dockets

But near perfect isn't perfect

[ripe obsidian]

This 10% is from the shop

[summer prairie]

But you can just get lower mob and it's better

[wind spruce]

Someone said you can still get the old 80/80/80/80/61+ rolls in melks

[quartz barn]

You can get them from upgrades too

[wind spruce]

Which atleast according to the 80s/62 warp res trauma I have is not just a rounding error

[zealous wing]

when someone says "white weapon run", does that simply mean its probably maxxed level just not consecrated?

[quartz barn]

Even tho youre no longer meant to

[quartz barn]

Could also be starter weapons

[wind spruce]

All I can say is that's what I'd do

[wind spruce]

Do you have to consecrate or just purchase from brunts

[quartz barn]

Doesnt matter afaik, because its predetermined

But apparently its just visual now, whereas before it was 61/79

[steep coral]

brotherssss i need help with THE penance : D

anyone?

[hearty wolf]

Karien awake

[deft stump]

Yes. Overslept from depression and stress, but I am. Dreams are just escapes.

[hearty wolf]

Understandable

I had a nightmare

Although I'm quickly forgetting what it was about

Also that's super weird

It showed me your old profile pic for a second

It only updated cos you sent a message

[deft stump]

Oh, it still exists. It's just not used here. You would know if you didn't want DM virginity.

[hearty wolf]

It's okay, I'll be moving to another account soonish once my emails and stuff update

[deft stump]

Oh.

[zealous wing]

i can

troubleshooting some stuff so a game to see how the game runs with obs in the background would be good

[hearty wolf]

I've had this account for too many years and I kind of just want a reset

[deft stump]

Feels like he's off already. I kinda quietly offered.

[zealous wing]

definitely keep the account handy as a backup

[deft stump]

Ah, is nornal in a way.

[deft stump]

You can just log in to multiple accts.

[zealous wing]

ah well, anyone willing to pop into a strike team for a moment to help me test quality/audio?

25?

should only be a few seconds of "does this look like shit? does the music play? does it sound fine or sound ass?"

[hearty wolf]

I just don't like being tied to the past is all, I tend to make lots of mistakes

[hearty wolf]

All sorted? If not, I can help out

[deft stump]

If this were so... I'll be offing myself alot more. There's so many things i regret doing IRL... And not doing.

They eat at me.

[zealous wing]

apparently need to do audio balancing

[hearty wolf]

Cool, I'm slightly tone deaf so maybe not the best person to ask anyway XD

[hearty wolf]

For real. I found journaling helps me a lot

I'm currently not doing it and I feel kind of crap so I was gonna begin on New Years but I was gonna swap discord account at the same time

[deft stump]

Answer. Voice 50x louder than game. Music is somewhere inbetween.

[hearty wolf]

But there some weird shadow cooldown between swapping to a username that was just used

[zealous wing]

yeah as long as volume levels can be checked thats all i really need at the moment

[hearty wolf]

Cool

[zealous wing]

well, "need"

[deft stump]

Ah, it's like a week.

You need to be on the dot or someone might steal it.

[hearty wolf]

I don't think people will steal it unless they're tryna impersonate me

But yea I'm waiting patiently. Check everyday

Even have a new email so I don't put it into any dodgy websites and get HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA junk emails

[deft stump]

Eh, names without numbers are wanted.

[hearty wolf]

Karien123

[zealous wing]

k i think i've got it cleared up now, my voice might still be louder but thats not a severe issue, since stream volume and user volume can be controlled individually, but also if i have music going it's likely i'm not talking much

[radiant frigate]

KarienOriginal

[zealous wing]

TheRealKarien

KarienWasTaken

[icy breach]

That just means you are delicious Karien

[radiant frigate]

deliciyos

5 out of 5 stars

no drama

[zealous wing]

cant wait to see my system have a heart attack in a live game and make all this effort completely pointless

but at least i have it all set up to work in recordings at least, so, if i ever want to record a match, i can

i should make a discord toggle tho tbh, since the banter is sometimes the most fun part

[radiant frigate]

banter of rejects or banter of players

(both good)

[zealous wing]

both

[radiant frigate]

real

[indigo galleon]

So why is bubble so good?

[zealous wing]

its good at herding lost puppies who have no idea where to be

thats about 80% of its use case

another 10% is making the team move forward when they refuse to

the last 10 is for turning off a gunner wall or reaper cluster, emergency snipershot saves, trapper stops, toughness regen in a fight, such like that

but its very defensive, and in something like havoc, offensive tends to be prefferred, but if theres already an inferno shriek psyker, a bubbleknight is a good addition

[plucky flax]

Its cosy

[zealous wing]

also its a psyker ability

[indigo galleon]

Is inferno shriek more of an aggressive variant or?

[zealous wing]

"variant" 😭 is the big one

[indigo galleon]

And is the inferno staff bad against bosses and mostly good against large masses?

[zealous wing]

inferno bubble is what people think is meta, but its just a thing that exists

[zealous wing]

"bad" is subjective, but yeah to the general population, its only good for trash

[indigo galleon]

Hmm

Do yall find bubble fun?

[zealous wing]

but because of the way dots work, its still possible to get top boss damage on inferno

[indigo galleon]

Wow lmao

[zealous wing]

i find bubble fun on bubbleknight

thats really it

but i also wouldn't really say "fun" as more, its fun watching people follow the mind game that is bubble

our ogryn in a havoc would NOT move forward, several times in the map. so, instead of waiting for him to push, i put the bubble about 20m ahead. it worked, each time

aka, i pushed, he followed

but he only moved when that dome was up 😭 😂

[indigo galleon]

The bubble is that good….? What’s the cooldown on it

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

with bubble you don't have this

[zealous wing]

45s, then reduction from psykinetics aura and such

[indigo galleon]

Titan bubble, does it regen health or no

[zealous wing]

toughness

[indigo galleon]

Ohh that’s nice. Are you meant to camp inside comfy bubble?

[zealous wing]

you can, but generally its place and move on, then you also have a fallback point if you need to pull back at all

its also great for maps with lights out or vent purge, crossing pox gas clouds, such like that, as another way to get your team to specific areas

granted, some people just ignore it, but those are either people who actually know a better place to be to fight, or the clueless

[marble crater]

I ignore it because I am not a coward

[zealous wing]

but you still see it and go "thats where the team is"

[marble crater]

should be*
Sometimes they aren't

[zealous wing]

its like tying a balloon to your partner/friend in a store so you can see them from anywhere

if you've seen any of those clips

[deft stump]

Or you know how they are like and find them at the snack section.

[zealous wing]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-child-balloons-gif-12513806

[zealous wing]

sometimes it feels like this when the psyker is also the clueless one

[zealous wing]

knowing his pace, if i lose him, i just check the time, and he's either at the coke, the condiments, the snacks, or the register

those are his main stopping points, that are consistent

if he's at none of those, he's in the frozen section looking longingly at icecream and/or chicken

[deft stump]

That's what I mean. Once you know someone, you can guess roughly where they are.

Humans are creatures of habit at times.

[zealous wing]

he is absolutely such

[hearty wolf]

Just got an email regarding a promotion

It opened with

"Your skills and experience regarding this role have been carefully considered"

"and you have been successful on this occasion"

Like bruh why did you word it like that

[deft stump]

Like an AI wrote it.

[acoustic jacinth]

on this occasion

[late sphinx]

i have the blade

[zinc phoenix]

They want you to know they’re watching very closely

Or using the same letter template for promotions and PIPs because the verbiage is blessed by legal

[hearty wolf]

It's whatever, I'll accept being taken in

But I better watch my back I guess

[wraith sphinx]

everyone in quickplay fucking sucks

Inches away from uninstalling the game

[hearty wolf]

I think you should uninstall whatever mod that is

For your own sanity

[hollow summit]

lmao

i've overheated once

getting the last hit on a beast

constantly explode on EK tho

[acoustic jacinth]

People don't m1 spam plasma all day???

[hollow summit]

which is not ideal

[acoustic jacinth]

🫃

[hollow summit]

i mean, im trying to kill the big beastie

so big charge shot gud

i guess

[acoustic jacinth]

The inquisition blessed you with CCQ tools

Melee the heretic

[hollow summit]

its a fucking beast of nurgle

of course im shooting it

[acoustic jacinth]

Well that's unspecified now. (Go my boy, melee it)

Remember to not dodge the tail swipe

[hollow summit]

yeah fuck that

[acoustic jacinth]

[hollow summit]

i wanna play voidstrike

not sure if i wanna shriek or bubble...

havent played bubble before

[acoustic jacinth]

Well if you're gonna play voidstrike play SG DD

So you can actually utilize the staff

Otherwise shriek spam the usuals

[hollow summit]

Eh why

If I sg with voidstrike wont I immediately cap peril

[deft stump]

You won't. Manually quell to 0, then charge it. Launch at 80% peril.

[wraith sphinx]

Not really, this is the second most useful mod I use

[deft stump]

I did that for the penance lul.

[wraith sphinx]

randoms are allergic to tagging so this is my only way of getting an idea what misfortune had befallen my team

[deft stump]

You really want a bind ping to m1 vet?

[wraith sphinx]

Do you think for a second before posting

[deft stump]

You said pubs are allergic to tagging. That's pinging.

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah ok you're clearly not understanding what I meant

[cunning delta]

just thought yall would have a laugh

got to like 90 lvs over cap before i realized you can dodge without interrupting the flamethrower

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[zealous wing]

just wait until you realise you can slide and quell/charge at the same time

[wraith sphinx]

happens lol

[cunning delta]

nahi knew allt hat shit

just the most basic obvious thing i never though tto try

||its also partially bc of my button layout, controller, handicapped etc||

[wraith sphinx]

like I said, happens!

[cunning delta]

survivability skyrocketed on the upside, and damage to lfg

[hearty wolf]

How so?

Knowing how your teammates died I mean

[wraith sphinx]

because darktide randoms fail to meet the bare minimum of communication I've come to expect from similar left4dead-like coop games I've played before

to me it's common sense to ping an elite that just downed you, darktide randoms basically never d o this

so the mod compensates for that

[frail oar]

I was hundreds of hours in before I discovered the push attack

Then knives became my favorite weapon

[cunning delta]

hel yea

[hearty wolf]

I think there's so many enemies and the situation changes too quickly for that to be helpful

Sure a crusher might have overheaded them but if you turn around, it could be dead.

Or there could be 30 of them

[wraith sphinx]

I will concede that for some people that might be the case but every little bit is helpful to me

[frail oar]

I think the onus is on teammates to be aware of one another. I shouldn't have to tell you there is a dog on me. It is indicated on the default ui and pretty easy to see even at distance.

[hearty wolf]

I hear what Rem is saying though

Because at least you HAVE the info

You can then decide what you want to do with it

[wraith sphinx]

Getting dogged and netted are exceptions here because there are dedicated UI and sound alerts for those. When someone gets downed, you have no additional information besides the sound notification and a character bark

[hearty wolf]

And if you're doing fuck all and jerking off on the ground, might as well make yourself useful

[frail oar]

Meh to me it is like saying the enemies around you on respawn. Doesn't really matter. What matters is can I reach you.

[zealous wing]

@inland gate from my currently under construction mini-guide:

"assail will be used to also deal with specials, elites, and to assist with horde clear, mainly to proc Malefic Momentum, which will greatly increase your damage with both the assail, and your melee/ranged weapon. you will try to weave assail with your sword attacks, i generally throw two then go back to melee. assail will also stagger ragers, so if a swarm of them comes after you, throw a few to let yourself reposition and get some attacks in while they recover."

[wraith sphinx]

the death feed helps me strategize and figure out if going for a revive is or isn't worth it. Based on the nature of a teammate's down I can, with slight practice, surmise whether or not:

• they had an unlucky break and ate an overhead or such
• got blindsided by a horde and went down without a fight
• got griefed by a teammate or essentially griefed themselves
  etc

[modest perch]

lol especially when its like 2 gunners. we all know theres gonna be a ton of shit spawning between now n then

[frail oar]

What killed them doesnt matter they need to be revived. You will have to navigate enemies regardless of how well they are communicated.

[wraith sphinx]

I'm talking about downs, specifically. Not deaths

[frail oar]

Yah im referring to downed sorry.

Deaths are something else for sure

[zealous wing]

i disagree. what downed them DOES matter.

if it was a crusher overhead, thats different than a barrel, or a plague ogryn

[wraith sphinx]

Rescuing dead players is whatever because you pick them up on your way through the level anyways, you just play as usual and you'll eventually reach them. With downs it's my prerogative to figure out if gunning for a revive is worth it because if I misjudge a situation I will just get downed myself as well and jeopardize the run

[zealous wing]

going for the res as soon as you can touch them is sometimes the worst idea

[wraith sphinx]

And the deathfeed mod helps me with that

[zealous wing]

you need to make sure its clear (enough) to pull of the res, and that they also wont be instakilled when they're pulled back up

[frail oar]

An area doesnt need to be clear to pull off a rez

[zealous wing]

hence the (enough)

[frail oar]

You need to understand how much you can block in melee and what the lines of sight are on ranged.

[zealous wing]

again, 8 poxxers is far different than 4 crushers following you. you need to make space to get a res

[wraith sphinx]

This is a part of the assesment yeah

[zealous wing]

you can either fight the crushers, or if you lack the time, kite them to make distance

[frail oar]

Either way you make your way to the person. Whether its 1 poxwalker or 8 crushers.

[wraith sphinx]

how much of an area I need to clear before a res is loadout and class dependent, and if it isn't feasible then I'll rescue the downed teammate at respawn

[zealous wing]

going for the res no matter what is between you and the res is valiant, but stupid

[frail oar]

I guess what im getting at is too often people are left for dead because people don't understand that they block while picking up, or don't throw a blinder, or don't push trash mobs prior to beginning the rez.

Im not saying you suicide mission. But regardless kf what killed them it is possible but the rezzer needs to make the assessment and pinging a crusher does nothing.

[zealous wing]

well dont scold us for the actions of people who dont know shit

[deft stump]

Or you make space and hope someone else notices.

[wraith sphinx]

Pinging a crusher absolutely does something. Sometimes it's superfluous yes but at other times pinging whatever downed you will help teammates kill it faster which facilitates a speedier res

[frail oar]

Were at an impasse I fundamentally disagree.

[zealous wing]

i ping the things that downed me, or whatever is more of a threat near me, if i know im dying. flamer, bomber, trapper, dog, etc

1 dead player is better than 2 dead players

2 dead is better than 3

3 dead is fuckin awful

[deft stump]

Poor last person.

[frail oar]

And 4 players alive is better than 3

[zealous wing]

it also depends on the dying player

[deft stump]

I mean, is better to have puppo chase and maul a bomber over bumping a crusher when you are dying.

[wraith sphinx]

Which is fine as long as that has no reasonable chance to turn into 2 alive players. But it's fine, agree to disagree

[zealous wing]

sometimes, watching people try to res a downed player is literally this

[wraith sphinx]

And again, it's not purely an information issue. Part of it is just basic player etiquette for me

[inland gate]

is worth swapping to pen flames for rotten amour?

[zealous wing]

short answer, no

it'll take a little longer in havoc than this, but its still effective

(sword is a deimos force sword with uncanny)

push attacks are always a weakspot hit

[inland gate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flabbergasted-shocked-wink-reaction-gif-25698054

bro that is some insane knowledge

[deft stump]

I have a second purga with it and will tell you nexus blaze still better.

[zealous wing]

also inferno is really good at maulers/ragers

so

about 20s in the clip

[deft stump]

My second runs blaze pen.

It's eh. Could work if blessed by RNGesus.

[inland gate]

i never watched the fully clip T-T

[deft stump]

If you always crit without nexus, lul.

[frail oar]

The damage you gain vs carapace isnt worth what you lose vs everything else

[deft stump]

Or for some reason you have SG DD on purga.

[zealous wing]

yeah who would ever

[deft stump]

I made a mistake once.

[zealous wing]

ik

was still funny

like when i brought the wrong knife to an auric, an unupgraded knife

with haymaker and a dream i guess

[deft stump]

Lul.

[zealous wing]

i struggled, but we won, so theres that

[deft stump]

RNG to kill go!

[zealous wing]

i was so confused why i had no bleed dmg

[deft stump]

XD

[zealous wing]

now i have a knife cosmetic so i can see visually the right knife

[inland gate]

is it better to just push or push and push blast?

[frail oar]

Nothing like an accidentally self imposed hardmode

[zealous wing]

for stacking uncanny, push attack

for making space, it depends

push attack is single target, throws dangerous targets to the ground

[deft stump]

I have knoife skins.

[zealous wing]

but if youre surrounded, push normally a few times to create a little wiggleroom to start swinging or blasting inferno, whichever weapon youre mainly using

[deft stump]

I still brought my mk3 into h40.

[zealous wing]

inferno has high stagger on LMB

[deft stump]

Great idea btw. /s.

[hearty wolf]

Hex

Pull me into AUric?

[zealous wing]

uh

im working on my build's guide atm i think fea is hanging in team 21 still, if he's there and not busy you can let him know i sent you if he wants to play early

he said he was gonna watch some stuff and consume food so

[hearty wolf]

o ic

When is the appointed game time then?

[zealous wing]

whenever im done, or about 45 minutes or when i get bored, whatever comes first

[hearty wolf]

kk

[vague bloom]

is there a way to make brain burst or assail actually strong

or on the same level as smite

[frail oar]

Brain burst with both subnodes double telekine wall and empowered psionics go brr

Gotta space well and attack from afar but you can clear large groups of elites with soulblaze on elite kill

[vague bloom]

do you have that build

trying to settle a debate with a friend

[frail oar]

Not handy no but those are the primary talents for it you can play around with a lot of it. I usually run it as gunker with laspistol and knife for mobility. Laspistol let's you proc empathic evasion to reposition.

[ornate hamlet]

hwat did bro just say about my assail

[ripe obsidian]

Or be brave! Be bold! Poke 'em in the noggin!

[zealous wing]

the fucking twist on this prompt

[frail oar]

Smite is so boring

[hearty wolf]

six

pull me into auric

[zealous wing]

"hey you know the two strongest blitz's? how do i make them on the same level as smite?"

[frail oar]

It has use cases but my god is it dull

It also frequently acts as a crutch for those that can't dance in melee

Pull the bandaid off people

[zealous wing]

dont even need that. take each blitz, with one subnode and nothing further down. bb and assail will flourish, smite will fizzle and die

put KF on BB, enfeeble on smite, ethereal shards on assail, see which one actually performs in auric with an incomplete tree. hint, its not fuckin smite

[frail oar]

You don't need it but my beloved loves it

[ripe obsidian]

Six is at the auric of life: work.

[zealous wing]

six btw

[vague bloom]

im trying to say they are better

im in a debate agaisnt someone who says smite is better

but i dont have any builds to prove it

[zealous wing]

here i gotchu

watch my friend get overheaded

[vague bloom]

well yeah

my smite build can last to about the 30 seconds

that aint gonna be enough to convince this man

[zealous wing]

this is memes, but

[vague bloom]

huh thats not bad

[deft stump]

He is asking for a slug to the skull.

[vague bloom]

????

fucking hell people

do you read my entire convo

im trying to prove they are better

[vague bloom]

can i has that one

personally i like assail the best

[zealous wing]

sadly... its doms

and dom is uh

[vague bloom]

doms?

[zealous wing]

indisposed

[vague bloom]

oh a person

shame that

ill see if i can find something similar

[zealous wing]

though i can tell you its got perilous combustion, probably wildfire, on an EK staff

scriers ofc

empowered psionics, psykinetic aura, malefic momentum as well

but honestly,

[vague bloom]

def wildfire

[zealous wing]

smite is bad, simply because you have to build around it to make it function

the other two, are just additions to your toolkit

as a blitz should be

is your friend in this discord

(you dont have to name and shame them if so

just curious

[vague bloom]

no

looks like that build has empyric resolve too

[zealous wing]

what difficulty does he play

[vague bloom]

auric

[zealous wing]

i think the best method of teaching would be live example tbh

every smyker i've seen, dies, a lot

because smite also teaches terrible habits, and locks you down

[vague bloom]

he usually runs melee psyker

but uses smite as his blitz all the time

and on every build

[zealous wing]

lmfao

alright

are you two online rn

[vague bloom]

nah just me

hes prob at work or somthn

im thinking lightning speed and warp ghost for the last 2 points

[deft stump]

Big question, does he spam heavies ALOT?

[vague bloom]

yup

bf Gs is his main weapon

[zealous wing]

it does 4 ticks of 40 dmg

charged strikes is actual trash

[vague bloom]

hold on i think i have his build here somewhere

[deft stump]

I know, I was just wondering if it's why he goes it.

[zealous wing]

i want to play with this new science experiment

[deft stump]

Because uhh... it's an moment.

[deft stump]

The only time it does anything is if you are going absolute poke with staff melee.

[vague bloom]

i think he messed with it to hit empyric

this is probably not right

[zealous wing]

i wanna scream

[frail oar]

Empathic evasion and the dmg to peril node are mandatory

[vague bloom]

this is an older build

[deft stump]

Should just ask him to show you.

[hearty wolf]

I feel physically ill

[vague bloom]

he takes disrupt nowadays but i dont have it on hand

[deft stump]

There there. Patpats.

[vague bloom]

i think he dropped empathic and anticipation

and vulnerable

to get to base disrupt destiney

[zealous wing]

let him know i'd like to play with him to... analyse ... him i guess

[vague bloom]

i mean the build works

it doesnt beat my zealot but it works

[zealous wing]

anything WORKS is auric

its a fucking FGS, anything WORKS

i can take a lvl 10 psyker to auric with a fresh FGS and do fine

i have the scoreboard mod tho so i can tell him exactly how much his smite is helping him

[vague bloom]

he does too

[cunning delta]

analyze me dude im hopeless lmao

[zealous wing]

lol

[vague bloom]

he takes it for the stunlock everything

[zealous wing]

ah

[zealous wing]

define hopeless

[buoyant maple]

What is bro cooking

[cunning delta]

i just die too much tbh

[vague bloom]

i mean he carries with the builds

but hes going off of numbers from what fatshark is saying

[cunning delta]

it's 100% a skill issue i dont play shooters at all and i think people are building on skills they gained in other games

[vague bloom]

not the actual values

[zealous wing]

anything specific you die to? also, what difficulty are you running in

[cunning delta]

i try to play as high as i can, ive done up to havoc 20 i die to random gunners a lot and in general dont feel too confident in sticky situations

[deft stump]

Also, if you have less than 50 hours, it's really normal. Things gotta be learnt, muscle memory ingrained to some degree.

[zealous wing]

havoc 20 is about heresy level

how do you handle normal damnations/aurics?

[cunning delta]

i mean i do random aurics all the time that shit seems easier

[vague bloom]

depends on if you get rotten armor

[zealous wing]

havoc requires a lot of team unity

[cunning delta]

i did like 3 auric maelstrom syesterday

[zealous wing]

if you get bad teammates, the havoc game will be harder

[deft stump]

Cos aurics you can gamble on good players and it's usually less bs than Havoc.

[cunning delta]

i try not to blame my team, even if they do fuck up, bc i know a better player could solo carry

also again i die too much

[zealous wing]

a better player, is someone who's put 3k hours into the game

like ainz

[deft stump]

Havoc, you still gamble, but you take nerfs while enemies are buffed.

[cunning delta]

it is what it is

i prob have like 200 completed missions

[zealous wing]

it is what it is but also your teammate running down the wrong hallway spawning a killteam and a barricade, and then running off and hitting 2 boss triggers is not on you lmfao

[cunning delta]

i dont have the knowledge to diagnose that

which is why im feeling lost i think

[zealous wing]

if they're not with you, and are far ahead, alone, they're the issue

[cunning delta]

i see a lot of ||hivescum|| people running off on solo missions

and a lot of leavers in aurics

[pastel turtle]

anything worth changing here? I've been running this and pretty happy with it
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0c7f914-183f-42c1-a579-0c6d32e0cadf/ek-spam

[ripe obsidian]

You're a bard. Your hit dice and AC are pretty low.

[deft stump]

Yeah, they can, but does it change the fact that things can just happen? It's still a team game, much more so in havoc. Even the best players mess up at times.

[zealous wing]

surge surge

i presume primary spam

[ripe obsidian]

I recommend not Slaughterer on Deimos.

[zealous wing]

but yeah i can run some games with you, try to give some advice if theres anything that really stands out

[pastel turtle]

I have Surge? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding

[ripe obsidian]

This is the Surge Shriek build I use in H40.

[zealous wing]

you have surge on EK, old name surge

theres a build we use called surge surge