psyker-class

[summer prairie]

840k rocket damage by hogging all the grenades

[hearty wolf]

How strong is that rocket anyway

In malice I saw someone nuking things and it was hilarious

If it has instant kill overrides, I'd be so down for that

[summer prairie]

it nearly one-shots havoc crushers, leaves them with a few hundred

[hearty wolf]

Jesus that's insane

Boss damage viable or? I assume not then since it's only like 5000~ damage?

[summer prairie]

too wasteful for bosses

[zealous wing]

its the core blessing on an FGS

it stacks 4 times, 20% strength at 80+ peril

[hearty wolf]

Omg that looks so fun

Levelling takes the piss. I still have got to try out the bonesaw and needle pistol

But aside from that, I'm ready

I wonder how far I've decayed or if it kept me at 30

[deft stump]

Needler is simply... busted.

Just shoot anything 4 times in the noggin.

They will die.

Except bosses, but I mean.

To be exact, 2 shots kills anything that isn't an oggy or maulers/plasma. Crushers take 4 shots each.

[swift eagle]

I've not been on since like July last year. How is FGS psyker w/ scriers and a gun like the infantry autogun like is it still really good?

[deft stump]

Vraks? Yes.

[swift eagle]

And thats what I had previously

[swift eagle]

Yep Mk 5

[deft stump]

Psyker simply got got buffed. Barring psykinetics.

That one got nerfed so hard, it no longer works on allies.

[swift eagle]

I imagine though cool down reduction is still great for the psyker though unless I can swap something out for it

tho i kinda have to take it if I want One with the warp

[deft stump]

Is still good, yeah.

[plucky flax]

Thank you

[hearty wolf]

Still not as good as plasma then 😤

[deft stump]

Wot.

You don't need to even aim the needler.

[zealous wing]

it fires faster, and has better mobility, and yeah you dont even need a headshot

you can shoot a bulwark in the foot

[deft stump]

You get +1 stack on headshots but you kill even with body shots.

[zealous wing]

5 shots to get to toxin cap

put that on a boss, it does serious DPS

[deft stump]

The numbers I tell you is pure bodyshots.

[zealous wing]

then just top up every like, 10 seconds

[deft stump]

Cos I can't aim for shits.

[hearty wolf]

Oh I thought I saw cap was 30

Pistol can't max stacks 😭

Oh

Nevermind

I actually read what you said

[deft stump]

It's 5-6 stacks per shot.

[hearty wolf]

Yeye

My aim is amazing anyway

[deft stump]

More on the explosive mark.

Less on the poison gas mark.

The numbers are for the explosive mark.

[zealous wing]

the less is only for crit/weakspot iirc?

[hearty wolf]

Is most of the damage via the poison then rather than impact?

[zealous wing]

like, explosive mark is +2 on crit, spreader is +1 on crit

[deft stump]

Pretty sure is just -1 stack.

[summer prairie]

the needle does like 30 damage

[zealous wing]

yes, you dump damage

[swift eagle]

I think for my build I only have one question to ask then. Immaterial Focus or Anticipation would be better for gun / melee psyker?

Staying at critical peril usually is the better way to go I feel.

[zealous wing]

preference, honestly

i use neither

[deft stump]

I never use the other mark so you should test.

[hearty wolf]

Interesting.

And you've mentioned two marks, what exactly is the difference?

[deft stump]

Only the explody one.

[swift eagle]

What do you run then?

[deft stump]

I told you.

One explodes, the other farts.

[zealous wing]

one makes the targets hit explode when they die, doing direct AOE; the other spreads more tox upon death, to nearby targets

i prefer the spread mark

better horde clear so i dont have to waste a chem nade on smaller clusters

[hearty wolf]

Ah what I was getting at was whether the explosive variant had tox attached to it

[summer prairie]

VI does +1 on crit/weakspot hit and II on alt-fire applies a debuff on the target that makes it apply 1 stack in AoE on death (from any damage source)

[deft stump]

It depends if you use primary mostly or plan to use secondary.

[zealous wing]

no, it doesnt spread more tox

[deft stump]

Explosive just mildly staggers.

[hearty wolf]

Using a needle gun with the cancer variant

Sounds really funny

With infinite ammo

[zealous wing]

it is

[deft stump]

It is.

[hearty wolf]

What are the blessings like?

[summer prairie]

bad except for stripped down

[zealous wing]

i use stripped down as the main one, so i can sprint slide into a room of gunners and pick them all off perfectly safely

otherwise, something for crit is good

[deft stump]

Run run and gun and stripped down.

So you can just run and plink plink plink.

[hearty wolf]

I see.

I want to test the explosive one since it sounds fun but given everyone uses tox, I'm guessing it's placebo damage

[hearty wolf]

Like I know you said this but

What's the actual damage no

Can it kill poxwalkers etc

And what can it stagger

[summer prairie]

the one that applies 1 toxin on death is what kills horde

[deft stump]

If you thought bistol boom was bad... heh.

[hearty wolf]

Bro bistol doom does fuck all

Fartshark please stop making DoTs op 😭

[deft stump]

That's the joke.

It's worse than it.

[hearty wolf]

Image I'll have to use it to bully the hounds

Or cinematic moments in auric

I tried the uh

Stub pistol

It's so cool

But it's shit

[zealous wing]

its a sidearm for sure

the +20% crit special is handy

[hearty wolf]

But you can spin it

It should one shot things due to cool factor

[deft stump]

Seems like playtested on malice.

It's nice in lower densities.

Does kark all in aurics.

[restive nebula]

If a weapon has warp resist does that also slow the peril build from scriers gaze?

[deft stump]

Not enough shots, not enough damage per shot.

[zealous wing]

it does 2-3shot a reaper

i could probably make it more reliable if i bothered to focus on the tree for it

[hearty wolf]

I forget, is that what the Devs usually play test on?

[hearty wolf]

How's the fire rate! Pewpewpew?

[plucky flax]

Ppl still use mk2 for toxin build tho?

[hearty wolf]

Or is it like a dart gun where it's gotta gas

[summer prairie]

mk2 is the AoE one, no? I don't know what people use though

[plucky flax]

Ye

[summer prairie]

I wouldn't use it unless you shoot at hordes or want to apply more AoE on top of a chem grenade

I use it with needler only builds

[plucky flax]

How to horde clear with mk6 then? Just drop crate?

And melee?

[summer prairie]

yeah I use AoE if I need horde clear

[plucky flax]

Hmm

But you need to have pistol out

For that to work or not?

[buoyant maple]

great question
kuli's guide covers this I think?

[deft stump]

Seems like it.

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ornate hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

I only have mine favourited

[summer prairie]

The what work? I think the alt fire applies a debuff on the enemy with infinite (e: 12s) duration and it doesn't matter how it dies, but in practice you are going to want to keep shooting more anyway

[ornate hamlet]

Oh, yours is animated, how fancy

[buoyant maple]

fast

[wraith sphinx]

Only some. Others play aurics and havocs. Seen one in a havoc lobby a couple months ago

[zealous wing]

the one dev i've seen in the wild so far was a smyker on malice, so probably not all of them, however........

[deft stump]

Doesn't bode well much.

[plucky flax]

I think toxin build without crate toughness gen is too hard

[hearty wolf]

Nag

Nah

That can't be true

NEVER MEET YOUR HEROES

HOW VILE

[summer prairie]

right now ranged enemies do no damage, probably the only reason it works

[hearty wolf]

Did they get nerfed or something?

[summer prairie]

They made dodge linger apply to ranged and that made it so you can spam dodge even when you are out to avoid all ranged damage

it's going to get reverted

[hearty wolf]

Are you sure 🤔

Maybe this is the culmination of the bubble haters power

[summer prairie]

They said so

[hearty wolf]

Welp

Tbh gunners probably have the highest kill count outside of getting steamrolled by 20 crushers at once

Or being disabled

[ripe obsidian]

Good.

[hearty wolf]

Six

Pull me into an auric

Pls

[summer prairie]

you can use mmt to join whatever

[ripe obsidian]

Putting on my tin foil hat:

Is all a ploy to sell Scum. Rotten armor comes back, resistant to melee and ranged? Well, scum has the best DoT in the game. Blight spreads? Corruption immunity ability. Final toll? 0.4 second dodge timer. And 2 of their grenades can instakill a ritual if aimed properly.

[ripe obsidian]

I am at work at the moment

@summer prairie other than waking up a ritual early, did I do okay earlier?

[hearty wolf]

Oh but I probably need teammates cos I can't kill Cara yet I think

Or is that gonna be fine with MMT

[summer prairie]

If you join a fresh one, you can get teammates

sure

[ripe obsidian]

Huzzah.

I know EK + Shriek isn't as good as EK + SG, but I find it fun.

And it's nice to win an H40 without using Inferno where it doesn't feel like I am getting carried too hard.

[quartz barn]

This is honestly kind of a tragic statement

H40 being way harder when you dont have purg on the team is wack

[ripe obsidian]

It wasn't a comment on H40

It was a comment on my personal skill

Or lack thereof

But I think I did halfway decently. Obviously the Shriek+WS build did better against hordes, and SG+DD had a better time with elites and specials. And bosses. I tried Shriek+DD, and my cooldown felt gross. Too much time spent quelling.

[plucky flax]

Carried by karien

[prisma nova]

may I ask which mod that is? I am using Team Kills but it is not as detailed I guess.

[hearty wolf]

The Oven

[ripe obsidian]

Scoreboard + Ovenproof community patch

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, obviously.

[prisma nova]

and a psyker related question: Infernostaff for armor, I am using penetrating flame and blazing away mostly. Is warp nexus the better alternative to blazing away?

[prisma nova]

thanks

[ripe obsidian]

But I have Big Anxiety and I am self-conscious about my skill, especially when playing with people I want to impress

[quartz barn]

Nexus + blaze away

Armor pen is cool and all but you miss out on the crit from nexus which is a massive dmg loss

[ripe obsidian]

Imo Warp Nexus is always better. Penetrating Flame takes your soulblaze from 5% ADM on crushers to 25%. It is a 5x increase, but 150 damage per tick on a 10k HP crusher isn't gonna do much

[quartz barn]

Because crits apply an extra soulblaze stack

[ripe obsidian]

Better not to try to spec Inferno into armor killing imo. Abuse Uncanny or use a melee weapon for armor if your team isn't handling it

Otherwise, let them focus armor and you kill everything else

[prisma nova]

The ideal behind penetrating flame is just to help the team kill them? guess i got the wrong idea.

thanks for the input

[hearty wolf]

ah fuck

my game explodeded

[quartz barn]

Inferno is so strong that you can clear everything but monsters and cara by yourself in seconds

[dull scroll]

you mean just monsters 😏

[ripe obsidian]

Penetrating flame is a source of brittleness that stacks with other sources, making it slightly better if you have a Thunderous ogryn or something. But it's still a team buff more than an Inferno buff

[ripe obsidian]

Pull the lever

Post the clip, @zealous wing

[ripe obsidian]

I don't even have to worry about carapace in most games. Toxin spam scum throws out a few needles

[dull scroll]

true 😌

[plucky flax]

Don't need to impress her she knows we are all beneath

[ripe obsidian]

I meant Syllo in this case. Karien is too far above me.

[plucky flax]

Syllo is noob

[hearty wolf]

very balanced

Force push shoudl set you at 100% peril

[ripe obsidian]

It's more uncanny

Uncanny should apply melee rending, not universal rending

It's very stupid

[zealous wing]

scoreboard

[ripe obsidian]

He's a lot better than me. D:

[idle valve]

is the force sword push attack always a headshot? 🤔

[zealous wing]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[idle valve]

what if you try to aim for the foot?

[zealous wing]

same thing, headshot

as long as it hits the enemy

same as a BB lock on

[idle valve]

nice

[hearty wolf]

but how do I fix it

It's up to date

[ripe obsidian]

How to balance inferno:

• remove the uncanny + soulblaze interaction
• make maulers and scab ragers carapace defaults instead of flak

[hearty wolf]

Well yes but if you're in a corridor, it doesn't matter how much damage it does because force swords give you infinite survivability

I recall a moment where me an Dom were stuck in a corner against like 40 rot crushers

and were being flamed to death

[zealous wing]

#1079236663840100453 message

[hearty wolf]

and we survived because he just kept force pushing

[hearty wolf]

😭

[zealous wing]

sigh

do you trust me

[hearty wolf]

what are you going to do to me

[ripe obsidian]

Horrible, wonderful things

[hearty wolf]

I installed some dodgy link that Hex gave me

so if I go missing

you know why

[ripe obsidian]

Heavy staggering a crusher gives it something like 6 seconds of stagger immunity once the animation ends. It's the same reason why I see a lot of trauma psykers get overheaded.

[hearty wolf]

6 seconds is a lot until they get cucked by the

uhh...ring system?

[zealous wing]

so you do trust me

[hearty wolf]

you know what I mean

[ripe obsidian]

Or until 4 of them clip into each other and you literally cannot see the overhead animation

[idle valve]

think it's around 3s or maybe 2. i recall crushers being able to get one overhead or two quick swipes before i stagger them again with slab shield bashes

[ripe obsidian]

It is 6 seconds

[summer prairie]

takes a while for them to get back up

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/settings/breed/breeds/chaos/chaos_ogryn_executor_breed.lua#L98

[ripe obsidian]

Immunity should only start after they get up

Afaik

While getting up they still count as staggered

I can test later

[summer prairie]

I just tested it, around 3s after they got up I could push them down again

[ripe obsidian]

Well then

That's dumb

[idle valve]

good ole fatshark haha

i guess the timer counts when they get staggered?

what's marked as heavy stagger? them recoiling back a bit or being blammed on the floor?

[summer prairie]

Trauma would feel pretty awful if they got the full 6s

plus it would make heavy stagger worse compared to light stagger

[idle valve]

we're not feeling the full experience of an ogryn's might

[ripe obsidian]

That is fair. I just don't like the way it's coded.

[hearty wolf]

I'm surprised you couldn't tell just off

Well

Game generally

What gets back up

Falls back down >:(

[ripe obsidian]

I can't count that high

[zealous wing]

mood

[ripe obsidian]

I count like a troll. One, two, many, lots.

[zealous wing]

i gave up counting how many times i've stabbed myself while making this burgle

i now have a black wool ball i add a white spot or line to when it happens

[ripe obsidian]

Blood for the blood burgle

[mighty shuttle]

Is there ideal blessing for forcegreatsword in havoc? I sometimes feel like I need wrath again to really effectively crowd clear with increased mass of the units

[zealous wing]

unstable power

the most ideal of ideal there is

otherwise, i run shred, personally, but the 2nd blessing is preference

[mighty shuttle]

Yeah I had unstable and shred on auric build but havoc it feels like wrath may be necessary to keep up with mass increases

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, Unstable + Shred still.

Your force slash is the bulk of your horde clear

[mighty shuttle]

Fair enough

[ripe obsidian]

Crits keep you alive

More damage, ranged immunity, toughness regen, etc.

[zealous wing]

you also only need one charge bar

to kill trash

[mighty shuttle]

Sorry wait where is ranged immunity from

[zealous wing]

empathic evasion

a must-take on meleeker/gunker/flame-based builds

[mighty shuttle]

Oh I don't have that

[zealous wing]

its directly under the crit aura

[mighty shuttle]

I'm already starved for points

I'll have to figure out what to lose for it

[ripe obsidian]

Not taking Empathic Evasion is a poor choice on many builds.

[zealous wing]

do you have penetration of the soul? empyric resolve? anticipation?

ethereal shards?

[mighty shuttle]

Just queued into havoc so I'll need a bit before I check

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle when thou hast a moment, couldst thou be so kind as to share thy LMB EK + Shriek build?

I thought I had it, but I have been mangling my builds into unintelligible messes.

[spice aurora]

You can practice without empathic, but before range dodge linger it was still nice to have incase you cant slide well due to various reasons

I started using it and a couple times every few games id get benefit, but the benefit was like life vs death

[ripe obsidian]

I had a weird bug the other day regarding dodging

My game crashed, and when I reconnected, my dodge count said they were 4/4 or whatever, but the distance was comparable to -1 or lower

For the rest of the game

So I couldn't properly dodge or dodge slide

Also got stuck in a lot of attack animations

[spice aurora]

That’s weird xD

[quartz barn]

i know that this is a thing but thats not seconds

good dmg padding however

[zealous wing]

but it is seconds, its 30 of them

[dull scroll]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Wr9kmeaKVfk granted, his clip is auric crushers, but that shit aren't "dmg padding"

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you. Do you not feel Empyric Shock is good on an LMB EK build?

[verbal thistle]

I don't think I could make it worth if I used it

Unsure

[ripe obsidian]

I can't easily judge it.

My build is identical to yours, I think, but EE instead of JaD and ES instead of Warp Ghost

[zealous wing]

i love that its at the point where if a psyker uses inferno to kill something its not "supposed to kill" but its not instant, its "padding"

sorry, no, that clutch didnt count, you see, those crusher kills were just you farming damage, clearly

[quartz barn]

cmon i obv meant that as a joke lmao

[zealous wing]

definitely did not seem that way

and at least three of us presumed you were serious

[quartz barn]

tbf i even put the

[zealous wing]

that does not indicate "joke"

if anything it makes it seem the opposite

[hearty wolf]

As a British person

I saw the joke

[deft stump]

Hey Hex, can we get an update of the burgle?

[quartz barn]

wait that makes it worse

[zealous wing]

its very messy right now

[deft stump]

You mean bloody?

[zealous wing]

just as a warning

no

just, got its guide colours on it, looks wonky if unaware they're guides

[deft stump]

Ah.

[zealous wing]

tentacles are going on atm, then i try details on the face

gotta figure out which greens to use, then probably pick up more to actually cover the whole burgle with

[hearty wolf]

Yoooooooo

That's actually so cool

[deft stump]

Ah. But isn't more brownish?

[zealous wing]

ingame yes, but dom wants game burgle shape, canon burgle colours, with creative liberties allowed on both directions

(this is a commission, technically)

[deft stump]

Ah. I get it. So making it for him.

[zealous wing]

ye

on the topic of burgles

i got it to stand still and im unsettled by it looking at me like its going to actually pounce

[deft stump]

THey need to be magdumped to death.

[zealous wing]

i agree, but, alas, dom wants a friend

[hearty wolf]

Dom has a weird choice of friends

[deft stump]

Why not a cat or dog?

[hearty wolf]

explains a lot

[deft stump]

[zealous wing]

because he finds the burgles cute, because they actually just want to play

[deft stump]

BUT PUPPOS ARE THE SAME.

[zealous wing]

PUPPOS DONT GO INTO METAMORPHIS WHEN THEY KILL TOO MANY PLAYMATES 😭

[deft stump]

I even had one basically injure me in excitement... Only to be really sad and sorry when it drew blood.

[hearty wolf]

demented

first person to die in a horror film 100%

[deft stump]

Because it didn't know it was putting too much force on the bite.

[zealous wing]

i would also die quick, probably

i'd either die quick or youd be the one wondering how the fuck im still alive and i'd have no idea either

[deft stump]

I feel like either dead first or panicking to ungodly ends and last alive.

[zealous wing]

something like that yeah

i do have a lot of very random knowledge, it might get me through some shit

[deft stump]

I have a... weird mind... and basically know errr, too much torture gorn and horror stuff.

By that, I really meant Saw movies and such.

That and well, having Silent Hill ish dreams of being a monster but not...

Being normal in the foggy world and just... Lost of control when the other world takes over.

Yet being friends with someone lost in it, so half trying to help them... yet the other half trying to kill them.

I get weird dreams.

[marble crater]

You need to take fewer drugs, or more, I don't know

[hearty wolf]

Audibly made me laugh

[hearty wolf]

That's SUCH a good line lmao

Honestly the game has some sick voice lines but they're so fucking rare

[zealous wing]

yeah theres some really good ones

[hearty wolf]

I'm moving through Heresy but

I ran out of money

so

My weapons are still shit :(

[zealous wing]

oof

wait how tf you out of money

[hearty wolf]

Plasma gun rolling

[zealous wing]

ah

[hearty wolf]

then deleted the perfect one

probs cost me over 10m dockets

[zealous wing]

😭

i'd offer to run private games with you to guarentee you get back in but idk how well i can actually play rn

[plucky flax]

I saw the joke too

[ripe obsidian]

Ya goofus

[zealous wing]

like i might be able to run heresy duo / solo if you crash, but if i end up dying i'll be even more convinced im washed

(until i am no longer sick with whatever i've got )

(or figure out whats going on if not actually sick)

[deft stump]

WDYM, I NEED MORE? I DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY.

[ripe obsidian]

You are possessed by the spirit of a 1300s shaman who died of the plague and wishes to use your body as a vessel to enact vengeance in the form of eco-terrorism against the growing industrialization of the modern world.

[zealous wing]

[hearty wolf]

its okay

i just need to be entereed in t the difficulty

just become unsick

[deft stump]

Maybe you are the one needing more or less.

[ripe obsidian]

Why?

[deft stump]

I replied exactly to it.

[marble crater]

Meds are also drugs, maybe you need some of those

[deft stump]

$$$ which I lack.

[marble crater]

I thought Singapore has good healthcare

[hearty wolf]

Karien needs drugs confirmed

[ripe obsidian]

This clarifies nothing.

[deft stump]

IF you got money.

Like i said before, no money? Just suffer or die faster.

[marble crater]

Well that's not good healthcare then

[deft stump]

I could use painkillers, but paying $15 for like 7 days worth is too much.

It's Ibuprofen btw.

And yes, it's THAT expensive.

It's not even 7 days actually.

It's $15 for 10 pills.

[marble crater]

Messed up

[deft stump]

Why do you think I complain life is pain but I'm used to it.

Pain people consider an 8 is like a 3-4 to me just because I'm used to it.

Except toe stubbing, that shit just karking hurts somehow.

[marble crater]

For one I didn't know you meant actual pain

[deft stump]

It's all kinds of pain.

Honestly, sleeping forever might be nice because you don't feel any pain anymore.

[marble crater]

Eh

[hearty wolf]

I just unlocked the chem pistol

ex fucking dee

[deft stump]

Have fun. Make sure you have pickpocket on all builds.

[vague bloom]

why is battle meditation something i never see in builds

[zealous wing]

because peril high = more damage

[vague bloom]

at least for scriers builds it can keep you in scriers longer no?

[zealous wing]

it can but its not needed

[idle valve]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JldJRGMRSkg?si=_lYC3sdi7QQW9vzL

hilarious

[summer prairie]

maybe 0.3s longer

[vague bloom]

more like a minute or 2

[summer prairie]

uhu

[vague bloom]

i play with this melee pskyer

he literally has it active damn well close to 3 to 4 minutes at a time

[zealous wing]

run a rending trauma with sciers build like the one i have, you either dont leave scriers for a while, or you get it back before warp unbound is even over, its fuckin glorious

[summer prairie]

surely it's due to BM

[vague bloom]

bm?

oh

considering how many hes killing

its def helping

[hearty wolf]

I do

the uh

poison aoe aint working very well

what am doing wrong

Or maybe I am using the wrong mark

using the 6

[zealous wing]

shoot it at hordes, otherwise, use the main fire

and yes

[deft stump]

I dunno, I never use it. I take the explosive mark to plink things.

[vague bloom]

i mean i know you can get the ability up fast

[zealous wing]

use the correct mark it will help

[vague bloom]

but staying at the 30 ive noticed is harder without alot of those talents

[hearty wolf]

Hope I can buy enough to get enough mastery

[verbal thistle]

Mk6 is single target

Mk2 is aoe

[deft stump]

In the psykhanium, press special and shoot something 4 times. If it dies and things get staggered, you have the explody mark. If things are on DoT, you have the gas mark.

[verbal thistle]

Blue on mk2 spreads tox

[hearty wolf]

Ah I see

Yes so it is a matter of using the wrong mark

Thanks

[vague bloom]

like BM/ empyric / purloin prov

[zealous wing]

the real question is, what did they sacrifice to get these nodes

[deft stump]

You only want explody if you use it as a sidearm to a horde wiping melee. Mostly to plink things faster.

[vague bloom]

not much

they have highest dps usually

and tend to only go down to bs or trapper

[hearty wolf]

I used the RPG for the first time

what the fuck is this xd

[verbal thistle]

Ogryn nuke with 3x damage and ammo

[tardy swallow]

am I correct in assuming that the Voidblast staff is generally better than the Voidstrike the higher in difficulty you go?

[zealous wing]

yes, generally

[verbal thistle]

Define better they do different things

A single target weapon vs aoe stagger

[hearty wolf]

Wow the chem grenades don't fuck around either

[tardy swallow]

say I'm running a Soulblaze or shield build

actually I'll just look at the guide

save us the trouble lol

[ripe obsidian]

Both are single target and both are AoE

[verbal thistle]

Mk6 buffs single in orange, mk2 buffs aoe in blue

[zealous wing]

mk6 makes the target explode doing aoe damage, vs the toxin spread of mk2

[ripe obsidian]

I would consider that AoE on both

The outcome is an AoE spread either way

Whether damage or tox stacks

[summer prairie]

chem grenade applies the mk6 explosion effect to every target

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

Chem grenade is what zealot fire grenade wishes it could be

[zealous wing]

i have made a clip for thee

[ripe obsidian]

I assume it's for me because you said "thee"

And I apparently need to play with the tox pistol more because I feel like I don't know how it works now

But either way, blue on both is AoE

[zinc phoenix]

I just like it because I like the mode switch. I wish lasguns had that where you could do the semi auto or a beam/full auto

[ripe obsidian]

Just different kinds

[deft stump]

Class is literally busted, the only downside is... literally no HP value.

[zealous wing]

i find mk2 to be far superior, simply for the immediate switch from great single target dps to great horde clear

[ripe obsidian]

Same base HP as Psyker, no?

[deft stump]

Yes, but you can get enough TDR/DR to eat an overhead without dying... Going down.

[zinc phoenix]

Scum is literally three psykers in a trenchcoat

[ripe obsidian]

I don't do that on Psyker either

Just take a single 5% health node on a curio so bursters don't instakill me

[verbal thistle]

If you don't get hit with an overhead you don't die

[deft stump]

It's was just saying that psykers are tankier. And before you say Desperado and vulture dodge... That is busted.

Reletive tankiness?

[ripe obsidian]

I don't use Desperado or Vulture either.

O.O

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been having more fun with that wacky stealth zel relic sword build

[deft stump]

Look, the best way to say is. Class is busted. Just has no durability if they do get hit.

A.K.A. terrible class for the avg player.

[zealous wing]

i think thats the point

i kinda want it to go back to how it was before, even

where people were whining that it was too weak and crying about it

then they say they're level 13

[deft stump]

The funny thing is, the only thing that got buffed was the RPG.

[zealous wing]

the toughness talents were moved up too

[deft stump]

And it went to way too busted lvls.

Yeah, but that was just... making it more even out.

Not straight up buffs.

[zealous wing]

these are right at the top now, instead of down here , they were the two in the middle i've pathed around

they used to be late level stuff, it was a great filter imo

people who didnt know how to either be patient, or skilled, got mad and quit the class

it was so funny

[ripe obsidian]

Tons of durability against ranged. Not including the immunity. Restore toughness on taking ranged damage or on hitting 0

[zealous wing]

the public chat was amusing for a little while

[vague bloom]

the main thing was it causedoyu to waste alot of points getting the durability stuff

vs now its rather convenient

[ripe obsidian]

My build saved 1 point total from the changes.

[zealous wing]

its not a waste, its tax nodes, but still

[vague bloom]

alot of them were on melee scum node

i saved about 3 or so

it let me get cdr for stimms

[zealous wing]

i'd be more mad at the cost of points to grab pickpocket on a melee build but i knew previous psyker tree, this is life

[vague bloom]

pickpocket has to be altered right

theres no way they keep it like that

[zealous wing]

oh it NEEDS a fuckin cooldown at LEAST

[vague bloom]

easily

[zealous wing]

at least 30 seconds, if not a full 45 or 60

[vague bloom]

with how the class feels id say 45 or 60

[zealous wing]

desperado also needs a longer cooldown

[vague bloom]

and considering desperado also give unlimited ammo for duration

ranged scum is the easiest/powerful

melee imo is stronger

[zealous wing]

the class has built in concentration stims if you want them, they need longer ability cooldown to warrent its use

[vague bloom]

but alot harder

[zealous wing]

this node is also so fuckin broken, as karien and i discovered

[vague bloom]

oh yeah thats stupid

[vague bloom]

literally infinite

[summer prairie]

empty supply

[zealous wing]

• corruption immunity

[zealous wing]

it literally makes blight a nonexistent modifier

[summer prairie]

that's good for the game

[ripe obsidian]

Toxin scum appears to be the strongest in my limited experience

[zealous wing]

take a single point cartel special stim, it has a cooldown of 15s. stims last 15s with the fast acting stims. place another crate on team when stim ready. repeat. walk on slime. get dogged. eaten by burgle. all safe to do, zero dmg taken.

[ripe obsidian]

Not even symmetrical. Smh my head

[deft stump]

Yes, but if you get smacked in melee with not 100% toughness... Lul.

[vague bloom]

i know it looks awful

[plucky flax]

No its balanced

[ripe obsidian]

I already play Psyker with no defensive talents. >:(

[vague bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-gif-23335988

[deft stump]

I remember giggling all the way when we were playing around.

[plucky flax]

Range scum can ks all specials and starve toxin scum out of ammo

[zealous wing]

ye it was like 5 minutes of you barely getting a breath in, it was so good

[summer prairie]

it should proc on ally elite/special kills too

[plucky flax]

Tru maybe it should synergy with the ammo aura

So scum proc the pickpocket and give allies ammo too

[zealous wing]

this is indeed actually what happens

[deft stump]

Look, it was funni. Like, I was just curious if they had a limit to each new stim like in some other games. NOPE.

[zealous wing]

lol its fatshark

[deft stump]

Literally spamming stims supply non stop because funni.

Also, it's also buggy.

THere's a chance picking up a stimm won't insta refill.

Happened to me before, was confused why it didn't fill up as it should. Swapped with another stim nearby and it filled.

[zealous wing]

#🐦tweets-sermons message
lmfao

thats the best killfeed they got?

[wind spruce]

Toxin mania is awful and only worth taking if you're forced to due to pathing

[zealous wing]

care to bother explaining why or are you just stating your opinion?

[deft stump]

They play on malice though.

[wind spruce]

Because it's barely ever active above 1 stack, even if you're running bonesaw or needle gun

[deft stump]

Pretty sure it goes with the node beside it for blinders.

[wind spruce]

It still isn't good in that scenario. Debuffs from blinders are only up a fraction of the time

[ripe obsidian]

The devs don't play the game

[ripe obsidian]

Agreed tbh

[wind spruce]

It's the exact sort of node I want to be good because I see base damage and have a little nerdgasm

[ornate hamlet]

Toxin mania feels like a talent inversely proportional to how much damage you're dishing out

[summer prairie]

How does base damage scale with toxin itself, is it still just a flat buff to it or does it scale it up more at high stacks

[ornate hamlet]

Its max effect depending on enemies being poisoned means they need to stay alive

I think it would be a lot more intuitive if it was a buff on killing a poisoned enemy or something

[verbal thistle]

same all DoTs iirc

[summer prairie]

Actually I think I know due to having seen the calculation

[ornate hamlet]

Could even be a short one, like zealot's scourge

Or maybe mix both: have it be a damage buff when you poison an enemy and for a short time after they die

idk, spitballign

balling

https://tenor.com/view/jbballin-justin-bieber-dribbling-justin-balling-gif-3841376854888149700

[ripe obsidian]

"stat buff: damage

Based on the number of enemies who are affected by Chem Toxin within 12.5m of Hive Scum, increases any damage by up to 15%; stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs. Checks every 0.2s for toxined enemies in range. Since each toxined enemy increases damage by 5%, the maximum buff value of 15% is granted when at least 3 toxined enemies are in range."

Just for reference

[wind spruce]

I like ainz' idea of combining it with coated weaponry

Let me spend one less point to get what I want on that side

[ornate hamlet]

That too

We have a talent for damage, another for damage reduction, another for toughness, another for kills, all related to poisoned enemies

I think one of the weirder things about that side is the extra blitz and stimm recharge

On their own, they have nothing to do with the small node that comes before them, for extra toxin damage

Depending on your build, it's entirely wasted

[ripe obsidian]

I think the issue is that Toxin is ridiculously strong without any modifiers

So they don't want to overload a single node and make it even better

The baseline power budget is so high that talents are weaker to compensate

Like D&D 5e's ranger (weak) and its subclasses (stronk)

You need basically nothing but maybe pickpocket for a needle pistol to be one of the best weapons in the game

[steel flame]

Or they make it a split perk like some of vets or psyker talents where part of it is for how many enemies you have poisoned in real time and then a temp timed buff that triggers on poison kills and lasts a few seconds

[ornate hamlet]

Me and the bros on the same wavelength

[steel flame]

Didn't even see it

Oops

[ornate hamlet]

Sight issue

Eat carrot

https://tenor.com/view/cat-magic-spell-gif-2056698596529947774

[steel flame]

Error, cant compute quantity of carrots needed to fix a missing eye

[ornate hamlet]

3

[steel flame]

Yar I'm a pirate, thus concludes this session of zazy lore

[zinc phoenix]

I’d love to see tox and soulfire get mega nerfed tbh

DOT gameplay is a blight on Darktide

[steel flame]

I mean fire staff finding a window to "fall" out of would be enough for psyker for me personally

I'm sick and tired of every half rate psyker running nothing but fucking fire staff

I'm with you on toxin nerfs though. My poor ogryn buddy doesn't even get to kill stuff cause the dam hivescums we get automatically toss tox grenades at his feed and kill everything he wants to smash

[inland sand]

I just had a psyker do 2.2m damage in a H40 with a FGS build

I don't really play this class, so wanted to ask, what the hell were they running?

[nocturne dust]

My thought process randomly seeing this:
Toxin -> Ah, Warframe
D&D 5e Ranger -> Oh, D&D
Needle Pistol -> Er, Halo?

With their powers combined, no context

[nocturne dust]

-# damage you're dishing out

[hearty wolf]

that's kind of cool xd

when did you get a title

[nocturne dust]

Title?

[hearty wolf]

"damage you're dishing out" - gameplay with Void

because of the DC's

mental damage

[nocturne dust]

I'm lost.

[hearty wolf]

No you're void

[nocturne dust]

I can be both.

[hearty wolf]

But when are upi

you

going to play the video game 🤔

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I've kinda taken a break from Darktide. Last time I played I was lagging too hard to have fun.

[hearty wolf]

:(

[nocturne dust]

Blame Fatshark's netcode

[hearty wolf]

I feel like when I hit 30 on Scum, I might not want to play anymore xd

We will see

Need frens to farm the Havoc with

[steel flame]

Did they have a bubble ?

[inland sand]

they did not

[steel flame]

Scriers/disrupt destiny melee build if they weren't shouting to set stuff on fire

Ludicrous finesse damage

[nocturne dust]

I can try and play when you need me, but no guarantees on capabilities.

[steel flame]

Probably built specifically to kill armor

Overkills the fuck out of everything else

[inland sand]

it wasn't even rotten armour lol

was blight spreads and rage

gonna check and see if they had DOT damage hold on

Yo he did have Warpfire

but I am almost certain no fire staff

[steel flame]

Probably from perilous combustion

[inland sand]

wtf is going on here XD

[plucky flax]

Just played with a vet with infested on his ds4.

[steel flame]

That looks just like stats from my fgs fire build ngl

[plucky flax]

Fgs and dd keystone

[inland sand]

so, next question....

build? 😄

[plucky flax]

His melee damage is way too low. ANd he had a lot of bleed.

So probably was bleed bistol meme

[steel flame]

Truuue

Warp slice Bistol swap build

[inland sand]

where can one learn such power

[plucky flax]

So I assume he probably ran shriek as well.

In that case probably warp charges rather than dd.

[steel flame]

If it was built for dots then dd doesn't do much so yeah

[inland sand]

does shriek apply bleed from BP

[steel flame]

So on hit effects from bolt pistol and laspistol can be transposed on to other attacks like say warp slice or assail by sending the ranged projectile then hit swapping to bolt pistol

[inland sand]

ah okay, then he was moon slicing to apply bleed I assume

[steel flame]

Suddenly your warp slice applies bleed to every single enemy it passes through while pistol is out

[inland sand]

lol that is dumb

okay so gotta be shout with fire dot, Bistol and moon slice

[steel flame]

It's very mechanically intensive to actually do

[plucky flax]

Yeah easier to just burga shriek spam and call it a day.

And you'd do more damage than that dot meme.

[steel flame]

And that's coming from me, and I love playing twister with my fingers

[plucky flax]

But purg is boring.

I think I just did more damage than the other 3 combined.

[hearty wolf]

Oh

Question about DoTs

If you hit a maulers head and apply bleed

it's cara

lets say when you add stacks, you add them to the flak chest

the damage the DoT deals is still against the Cara adm ya?

[steel flame]

Body of mauler is flack so dot would deal flack modifier

[hearty wolf]

Oh wait nvm it works against the body ye

that's so fucking weird

Oh yeah I remember this being a shit change when ragers got cara chest

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

[dull scroll]

EK is superior

https://youtu.be/wy_G29MTZks

[hearty wolf]

Lost a rolling steel on heresy lmao

People wouldn't fucking move

spent the entire time reviving

[ripe obsidian]

I made a macro to do it. Did it in one auric game, have never done it since. It's dumb and not honestly very fun

[loud girder]

heresy is harder than auric

[ripe obsidian]

Disagree. >:(

[plucky flax]

Hey I play it too cos bad and need crutches

[ripe obsidian]

I play it because I like DoTs

Burninate the world

[dull scroll]

fire stick itself is actually overrated and not as OP as people make it out to be
your typical burga can be easily be out damaged by pure dps build from the other classes
the real sleeper is Shriek, and you can pair it with any staff

[ripe obsidian]

I am playing LMB EK + Shriek. Is fun.

[hearty wolf]

big agree

[hearty wolf]

effort tho

[steel flame]

Yeah.....I tried a few games to see if I could do it without a macro but you are completely at the whims of latency without a macro and like you said it's not even fun xP

[nocturne dust]

It really depends on enemy density and ally quality

Burga is a lot stronger the more you have to do

[ripe obsidian]

And yes, I am getting sick of people saying that inferno + bubble can't be outdamaged. Scum and EO Arby can do it easily enough. Vet can. Zealot can if they're good enough. Probably Oggy, but I don't see a lot of them lately. Any class or build that can kill things before your stacks scale.

[dull scroll]

density actually no, ally quality big YES

I've seen things

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek both bypasses the weak damage of low stacks and allows you to overstack on big things.

[nocturne dust]

Density, yes, because while EK can use PC and shriek, both of those can become limited

[ripe obsidian]

Density doesn't matter if you can't get stacks because your teammates killed everything too quickly.

[nocturne dust]

True

[ripe obsidian]

See: toxin scum in particular

[steel flame]

Dots can affect an "unlimited" number of enemies at once so it scales with density by its very nature

[dull scroll]

not talking about psyker itself, psyker itself nothing beats inferno/shriek damage, talking about dps from other classes

doesn't matter the density, insane players using pure dps build from zealot/scum..etc. can easily out damage burga whatever the density

[nocturne dust]

I'm not trying to argue burga can't be outdamaged

[ripe obsidian]

I had a toxin scum nearly outdamage me in an H40 rot map. Was a trio, me, scum, shredder vet. Scum was like 2.1m damage to my 2.2m.

I think a decent toxin scum can challenge Inferno for damage output. Other classes, decent isn't enough to win.

[nocturne dust]

There's also a lot of power in Burga's simplicity. Try as we might pretend we can just muscle memory everything or use macros, it does take more effort to use other builds which means less brain effort available for other things.

[ripe obsidian]

A good Arby, Vet, or Zealot can. But they're not gonna have an easy time.

[steel flame]

I want to test my stuff in 40 more but I just don't have the willpower to deal with party finder. It just kills my will to play when I have to engage with it.

[ripe obsidian]

I'll invite you to H40s. Fair warning, I mostly just let in the first person who applies with a halfway decent build

Means a lot of losses

[steel flame]

Please unlock a quick play for 40s when you get to 40

[nocturne dust]

Party finder does indeed suck.

I also just don't enjoy half of Havoc's modifiers.

Havoc would be so much better if it was just an extra difficulty mode instead of... Havoc. Lol.

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno is easier to execute than the other staves. Higher skill floor.

I think RMB EK is the hardest staff to use well.

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike

👀

[steel flame]

I don't mind losing at, it's actually kinda fun, problem is everyone scatters to the wind when they lose so back to party finder I have to go after every. Fucking. Mission. It's exhausting

And I haven't gotten 40 unlocked for this current reset cause I've been lazy so it's not like I can host my own 40s, just try and gamba on joining open 40s

#pain

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike is easy to use. It's just too weak for Havoc unless you're very, very good

Well, EK RMB is also pretty weak. Especially into Final Toll rotten crushers with like 15k effective HP and CC immunity

[steel flame]

And the very nature of joining 40s when not at 40 means I'll never get to 40 myself, which I don't mind if it wasnt so hard to get into hosted 40s xP

[nocturne dust]

I disagree, RMB EK only has to target important bois and dodge damage, pretty trivial. Voidstrike cares about positioning, kiting, ability timing, and weakspots

[ripe obsidian]

I tend to let in people with:

• Decent builds
• At least H30 clearance or a Havoc title
• Or if I know their name and know they're reliable

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is only easy to use if you use it poorly

[ripe obsidian]

I think Voidstrike is easy to use. >:(

[steel flame]

Maybe later when I get off work, I always work super late

[ripe obsidian]

What're you saying about me?

I've also just grown to dislike RMB EK. The playstyle doesn't feel very interesting or dynamic. Feels bad in H40s against hordes. EK is, for me, a sidearm for FGS or an LMB machine gun.

[nocturne dust]

That either you do all those 4 things well enough that they seem easy to you vs. targetting elites/specials, or you need to up your Voidstrike skills

[ripe obsidian]

The most dynamic staff is probably Voidstrike, but it's not fun to sink 5 RMBs into a single crusher only for it to keep coming.

Especially when each one is like a 1.6 second charge time

[nocturne dust]

Just play Sedition

or whatever the lowest difficulty is called now

[ripe obsidian]

Target priority is easy enough. Aiming is where I struggle, especially when enemies start zigzagging or changing targets.

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike's aiming matters more than EK's, lol

[ripe obsidian]

I just despise how Voidstrike is both the weakest and punishes you the most

[nocturne dust]

Fair

Definitely been overly punished as a build from when it was meta

[ripe obsidian]

Missing with Voidblast still applies soulblaze on a crit, stagger, and/or brittleness

Can't miss with EK RMB, and all the LMBs are so fast it rarely matters.

Inferno is almost impossible to miss with unless you're out of range

[steel flame]

I enjoyed original rmb and lmb spam specifically because my ADHD ass brain enjoyed manual quell canceling, but they got rid of it, now it's just clicking lmb and I've lost all interest in spam builds. It even kinda killed my obsession with fire trauma now that I don't have getting better at quell canceling to shoot for, now it's a hard ceiling you reach and then stay there

[ripe obsidian]

But missing with Voidstrike means you're out 1.6 seconds with nothing gained whatsoever

[nocturne dust]

So what you're saying is Voidstrike should be homing like assail.

[ripe obsidian]

Wouldn't be the worst thing

[nocturne dust]

I approve.

[ripe obsidian]

Give another mark of Voidstrike with lower damage and no cleave, but homing shotgun projectiles or something

[steel flame]

Part of me wants to arc and have unlimited cleave

[nocturne dust]

Honestly, watching a pinball take out 32 enemies would be cool

[steel flame]

Void that is

[nocturne dust]

so... voidblast

[steel flame]

No fireball from vt2

[ripe obsidian]

Fireball staff in VT2

Yeah, that

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, which is voidblast

[steel flame]

No

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, there's a different staff

[steel flame]

Long name

Can't remember

Conflag staff

[nocturne dust]

I don't see how VB is different from Fireball. They arc, they explode where they hit.

[steel flame]

Arc????

Wot?

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast is Conflagration staff

[nocturne dust]

VB arcs like a grenade, have you never used it?

[steel flame]

Stop. Your dealing mental damage to me rn

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast should be the CC staff, and voidball should be better for damage but worse CC

[hearty wolf]

you're*

[steel flame]

[nocturne dust]

I really like the idea of making it homing the more I think about it

and maybe also pierce armor

[ripe obsidian]

There are a lot of ways to make staves more interesting

Or just to add more.

[nocturne dust]

There's a 1001 staff variants that would be cool that we will never see 😭

[steel flame]

I also thought it would be cool if it was a ball of lightning that flew really slow and zapped shit as it passed

[nocturne dust]

Add it to the list

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-bfg-gif-27506128

[nocturne dust]

I don't think Fatshark is ever going to release more staffs unless it's via a DLC. Maybe second psyker class

[steel flame]

I miss original symmetra balls of death

I'll never forgive that bitch moira

Never got tired of people panic dodging out of the way like it was a normal projectile, only to walk back into it and evaporate cause it was super slow and their brains couldn't process that

Or or they tried to back away from it without realizing it was moving the same speed as them and deleting them that way

Gimmie slow balls of death staff

[ripe obsidian]

So a sort of Coruscation reimagining?

[steel flame]

Something like that but minus dots cause that staff was stupid

Psychic tornado staff

Let me be blight stormer

[ornate hamlet]

British Saltzpyre

[ripe obsidian]

Coruscation was stupid because it made chokepoints super easy to defend with zero effort. Like the difference between Smite and Shock Mines. You can still play the game with shock mines up, since it doesn't take your whole action. But coruscation was on demand and did damage.

I wouldn't mind being able to paint fire on the floor. Like sticky flames in DRG

[ornate hamlet]

Wasn't coruscation the trauma voidblast staff for Sienna?

[ripe obsidian]

No

That's Conflagration

[ornate hamlet]

Forgor 💀

[ripe obsidian]

Coruscation is like 10 second long fire geysers

[ornate hamlet]

Big if true

[ripe obsidian]

I am not an expert. Sienna was my least played in VT2

Wiki says coruscation is 6 seconds, not 10

[ornate hamlet]

Wasn't coruscation that Star Wars planet

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly.

Sienna drops a planet on the rats

The planet is actually called Coruscant, which is a real word that just means "sparkly"

[acoustic jacinth]

Coru used to be good but now it's fine. It got nerfed and no longer scales with some power bonuses

Depends on what sienna but BW with famished makes the geysers half decent

Conflag which is the trauma equivalent is real nice with lingering flames

[ripe obsidian]

Staves I want added (LMB or RMB, I don't care):

• Shotgun
• Beam
• Fireball
• Sticky flames/lingering flames/no-go zone (like goop gun or sticky flames in DRG)
• Support debuffer (debuff enemies somehow, like a Nuncio in a stick)

And more but I can't remember them now.

[acoustic jacinth]

I think they'll likely make a shotgun staff if they do anything for em

[ripe obsidian]

I'd really like a long-range hitscan staff. I love Voidstrike, but hitting anything past 20m is a gamble

[acoustic jacinth]

Fair

[ripe obsidian]

I'd also very strongly prefer for 3 of the 4 staves not to have identical LMBs.

They are the exact same damage profile in the code.

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah one of the first things that took me by surprise coming from sienna from VT2

Staffs here by comparison definitely seem more... starved

It's more or less the class that makes it cool i'd say

Cause psyker's psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I think everything in Darktide, other than the skill trees, is more starved than VT2. Maps are less exciting and have copy+pasted objectives, for example.

And I honestly feel the skill trees are unnecessarily complicated in a way that makes balance all but impossible.

[acoustic jacinth]

I getcha, yeah

But in a way i am glad we do have these differences

For all its flaws this mess of a system is fun to untangle

[wraith sphinx]

It is, at least when it works

Also what the hell are these insane back to back poxburster sandwiches in the game rn

tried playing several auric histg missions and got the floor cleaned with me in every one of them

[radiant frigate]

myes comically large fireball

[ornate hamlet]

Mood tbh

Sometimes I wonder if we couldn't just make our staff or something, but I understand stuff like that opens more space for meta combos

Most staves having that stupid ball as the LMB really put me off on psyker

That thing felt horrible to aim with any ping, though I recall it being better now

A shotgun staff would likely make me interested in them again, even if it's still a projectile

[ripe obsidian]

I think the LMB should stay on EK, but be changed for VS and VB.

The little ball is a good LMB for EK because it pairs beautifully with the inherent crit chance

They just need to fix the RMB.

So it does proper damage.

(https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/incorrect-finesse-multiplier-on-electrokinetic-staff/112098)

[ornate hamlet]

Admittedly I wished surge EK to get a charged lightning bolt as the RMB and the LMB was a sustained shock like smite

Like, straight up turn the RMB into a pocket thunder

[ripe obsidian]

I think shotgun would be best on Voidstrike. Give it something useful when enemies are surrounding you.

[ornate hamlet]

Aim, click, kabroom

[ripe obsidian]

The question becomes: should LMB and RMB work together to make you really good at a specific thing, or should they shore up weaknesses?

And I think the answer is different for each staff

[ornate hamlet]

An easy one to me: due to the game's nature of generalist builds being preferable, staves would need to be competent weapons on their own

[ripe obsidian]

I would enjoy EK RMB being a hitscan beam. To use D&D terms, something like "All enemies in a 5 foot wide line"

[ornate hamlet]

I understand the appeal for specialized staves, but I don't think they would feel good with how random quickplay can be and how, even in a specialized team, not everyone can do their specialized tasks all the time

I remember trying out some specialized builds in the past, and they all reinforced my trust in generalists

I don't wanna be caught with my pants down against any enemy

I don't mind not being terrific at the task, but I do mind sucking at it

I end up taking that as a core pillar of my life, actually: I don't need to like something, I just need to not dislike it

So the weapons I dislike are the weapons I'm sending to the moon on the next Elon Musk rocket

[ripe obsidian]

Send Elon with them.

[ornate hamlet]

[ripe obsidian]

But yeah, I get it.

The development cycle of Darktide has been... inexplicable

I think they must have issues with project managers or producers or team leads. Management in general.

[ornate hamlet]

Specialized builds work a lot better when you know for a fact you have people fulfilling these roles and consistently covering each other, ergo MMO trinities

[ripe obsidian]

The designers are obviously skilled, passionate people. The mechanics are deep and leave a lot of room for skill expression.

[spice oar]

I’ll take anything I just need a new staff

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

I don't trust randoms.

[ornate hamlet]

In SWTOR flashpoints, we never had the healer, DPS and tank away from each other, except in situations where it literally didn't matter

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I have played a tank in every MMO I've played.

[ornate hamlet]

In fights where we did, we always could cover each other

[ripe obsidian]

ESO was the big one for me

So I understand the need for team coordination.

[ornate hamlet]

When the game's matchmaking and general gameplay does not support that composition, forcing it only goes bad

I do wish we could use the more specialized stuff because there's fun stuff there, of course

[ripe obsidian]

I remember when League of Legends swapped to the role system for ranked.

How long ago was that? Shit. I haven't even played that game for like 7 years

Kha'zix is still a new champion in my mind.

[ornate hamlet]

I avoid the double-barrel unless I'm doing something like zealot knife, assail, shivs and other things that cover the weaknesses

But damn, it's cool

[ripe obsidian]

DB shotgun feels fantastic with Weapon Spec Vet, and Ainz makes it look fun on Desperado Scum

[ornate hamlet]

And then I decide to do one, right? And who the fuck says my team can shoot the sniper

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460028401558880266/1457476741458170112/lol-cats.gif

[steel flame]

Lol

[ornate hamlet]

Number 1 reason my most player psyker combo is uncanny strike + revolver + assail

[steel flame]

The ONE TIME you aren't armed for sniper.

[ripe obsidian]

How I feel whenever I, the Inferno + Shriek psyker, have to stop dealing with hordes to Brain Burst a special.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, I tried that one too

[ripe obsidian]

(The plasma veteran is meleeing the poxwalkers)

[ornate hamlet]

Miserable experience

[steel flame]

See this is why I love warp slice kinetic flayer.

[ornate hamlet]

Like jorking it grimdark style, except the stimm is a cheese grater

Which is surprisingly still grimdark style

I think I just unlocked new repentia lore

[steel flame]

Sniper all gangsta still psyker swings his great sword and smites his ass from across the map

[ornate hamlet]

"Sorry kid, I just filled the second bar"

Hordus deletus 🪄

[ripe obsidian]

Per AgentChaos, one bar is enough for anything smaller than an elite if your buffs are up

[ornate hamlet]

I think that was the case when I checked it too, yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I have been trying a funky LMB EK Shriek build. Not as good at horde clear as inferno or Trauma, not as good at single target as SG/meleeker, but a very pleasant middle ground

[ornate hamlet]

Now I'm trying to remember if FGS has some blessing to crit on special

I can't remember now, but it just popped into my head

[ripe obsidian]

It does. It's very bad.

[ornate hamlet]

Sus

[ornate hamlet]

Whatever vents your shriek, as they say

Also, fun thing

[steel flame]

It's an auto crit on special.....with a fucking cool down. It's atrocious

[ornate hamlet]

I used to do gun psyker back in the old talents tree

I remember finding it funny that I could actually hit breakpoints more consistently than vet because vet relied on exec stance

[steel flame]

And the best part is, if warp slice triggered blazing spirit, it would instead be one of the best blessings of all time

[ornate hamlet]

One of the best blessings ever made

[steel flame]

Move over flame staff, your reign is finished

[ornate hamlet]

Funnily enough, Google pulled this image from the Fatshark forums

Someone imagined before

The world if the DoTs were applied before the kill

Suddenly scourge and blazing spirit would get nutty

Dead chat

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-garn47-car-huh-confused-gif-14701624453881581373

[static sonnet]

Best we can do is smite on a stick but it does 10% more damage, has force bolt lmb, and still has the staff bonk special.

[ornate hamlet]

Staff special should turn it into a quarterstaff

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-animation-weapon-onlyone00001on-twitter-gif-23157899

[modest perch]

it would be kinda cool if each staff had unique effects on bash

[weary crane]

I want to see a flying boss

Like a rot fly

[steel flame]

are you sure you want that?

[weary crane]

[steel flame]

Team: runs out of ammo

Game director: time to send in the flying boss and a wave of crushers

[weary crane]

It could swoop in for attacks, or fall down if it's staggered

[restive slate]

Flying enemy should either be within melee range from below most of the time or it comes down periodically and is super vulnerable to melee

Take the pimple eye daemon and make it fly

[deft stump]

How to stagger if 0 bullets?

[weary crane]

Abilities, nades

[deft stump]

What if you ran out of everything limited.

[verbal thistle]

stamina

push

[deft stump]

Only things on CD left, no psyker as well.

No crate, just karked.

And you hear the buzz of a rotfly.

The only ranged you have is the funni zealot there, and I mean throwing knoifes.

And maybe, MAYBE the gunlugger every time he whacks and kills like 7 things in melee.

Or the 1-6 bullets from survivalist.

Every 5 secs.

I think I'm giving myself nightmares.

[steel flame]

Do a borderlands 2, INFINITE VERTICAL MELEE DISTANCE

[ornate hamlet]

Dude, I remember Hellgate London having that

Most AoEs were, in fact, a cylinder

It was how ground effects actually hit flying enemies, while melee attacks didn't

[steel flame]

oh thank god work is over

[plucky flax]

Based

I wake up early cos I went to bed too early

[distant lark]

I did the same today and a lot recently, the lure of a warm bed when its cold does it for me

[deft stump]

Or maybe is just getting older.

[distant lark]

I feel like its due to my crippling lack of motivation to do stuff I really should be doing and stuff I want to do

[deft stump]

So depression as well?

[distant lark]

Probably something like that

[minor timber]

@ripe obsidian a while back I tried making a (bad) psyker build as a very new player, and you gave me detailed feedback + suggested I look at another build for inspiration (bubble knight). I've been having a TON of fun on it, so thanks for being helpful, educational, and welcoming!

(and I'm a lot less deadweight to teams now 😆)

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help. Glad it's working for you, and more importantly glad that you're having fun.

[distant lark]

Anyone know if kinetic flayer has synergy with empowered blitz, I've assumed not but never got a solid answer

[verbal thistle]

Uses the damage profile of an EP BB but does not consume a stack

[distant lark]

so quite good actually if you're using kinetic flayer a lot but rarely using the blitz itself

[verbal thistle]

Depends

I always use 3 stacks of EP and stack from elite kill

Guess what KF procs on

Elites and specials

It refreshes itself and if it does hit something else you have 2 other stacks

And EP BB already killed elites in 1 shot so it's not being wasted

If that makes sense

If it's ogryn melee seed and you get spammed crushers you might lose your stacks depending on your playstyle

https://youtu.be/0aCgA8Wm72E?si=33kB5JK_W6SiTM7H

Here is how I use it