psyker-class

[jovial juniper]

heavy light light for single target

light heavy for hordes

[white willow]

lemme try in meat grinder

is deimos same

[jovial juniper]

dont forget uncanny strike blessing

[white willow]

uncanny and deflector

[jovial juniper]

deimos is light heavy for single target

heavy light for hordes

[white willow]

this combo looks good thx

should I use the special

[jovial juniper]

basically never

your single targets combo will have better dps

and be safer

there's this one gimmick where you can stack Uncanny/Executor really fast if you special attack a weakspot

but that's like

super situational

[white willow]

do you prefer deimos or obscurus

or dueling sword

[jovial juniper]

I prefer deimos

it's funny when the heavy stab throws the target on the ground

I don't enjoy dueling sword

too boring

really strong

but boring

[white willow]

also do you know how active I need to be to become an acolyte?(I just want to send my build with some images :D) and my gifs)

[jovial juniper]

idk

kek

[white willow]

[jovial juniper]

yeah just keep yapping

be the yapper

I used to like dueling sword

When Mk2 used to be a thing

But they added the parry now the single target combos are pretty meh

https://tenor.com/view/mus8029-dj-khaled-gif-3555378993500057042

And I don't feel like Heavy Block Cancel Heavy

[grim tree]

Do yall buy into the recon lasgun for bubble knight?

[zealous wing]

wdym buy into

its the go to

[ripe obsidian]

Agreed for Auric and below. Voidstrike is more fun, imo, but it really struggles with the Scab HP increases.

[ripe obsidian]

Just chat more.

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle How much difference do you feel 12 toughness makes in a game? As in, I have 120 toughness with this build with 3x 5% toughness curios, but if I swap that to revive speed, I go to 108

[verbal thistle]

probably wont feel it outside ranged fights

[ripe obsidian]

Gotcha. I feel like revive speed is just more valuable for H40s with randoms, but I wasn't sure if I was missing something

Thank you

@dull scroll Deimos without PC, KF, Superiority, or Warp Siphon does ~1700 damage on an L1 headshot to maniac specials, which is just a bit shy of one-shotting them without a crit. With Warp Siphon at 6 stacks, it becomes enough to kill on a headshot without a crit.

If only this were WR.

[brazen merlin]

For Blaze Force Greatsword, is this an okay stat group?

(It won't let me paste it.)

[zealous wing]

you can just list numbers and written names since you cant post images

[brazen merlin]

Damage: 80
Finesse: 80
Cleave: 77
Defences: 66
Warp Resistance: 77

[ripe obsidian]

It is not ideal

If you are not level 30 or are low on resources, just use it.

But the ideal stat spread is 80 in all but Warp Resist, and WR as low as possible.

My lowest is 21

[zealous wing]

ty for reminding me to go gambling

[ripe obsidian]

Go forth and gamble.

[brazen merlin]

I did just that, somehow got all 80 except WR on the 7th try.

[ripe obsidian]

Nice. I think Potato said it's like 1/25 or 1/30 on average

[brazen merlin]

And what mark to use for BFGS?

[ripe obsidian]

Both are good. VI has better heavies, VIII has better horde clear.

I recommend VI, and not just because of my name, but pick the one that feels best to you.

[zealous wing]

lmfao

[ripe obsidian]

Nice.

[plucky flax]

You can use mk2 laspistol too but recon las is more ammo efficient.

[zealous wing]

honestly gonna keep this

might use it and make doms brain hurt

[ripe obsidian]

Do it.

[grim tree]

How do you get different Mk models? just rng?

[ripe obsidian]

You can change in your inventory

[ripe obsidian]

Select the weapon

[grim tree]

Oh wow thanks

[zealous wing]

i am tired and almost got unnecessarily petty

i was gonna zoom in more ngl

im so tired

:(

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-bmr-under-siege-2-movie-apply-full-image-enhancing-enhance-gif-11740005328423716755

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, typically it will be the WR + 80 - the second lowest stat

+/- 10%

So in this case, 3+27+10% for 33

[brazen merlin]

What is the meter on the greatsword?

[ripe obsidian]

Special attack charge

It has 3 stages. 0 bars full, 1 bar full, 2 bars full. Each bar increases damage, stagger, and range significantly

[zealous wing]

came out to 25

sad

[spice aurora]

NA East and declining anyone to havoc 40, name a better duo you cant

[wispy bay]

Most of them play like shit anyway.

[brazen merlin]

How is the Warp Slice Blessing?

[zealous wing]

bad

[spice aurora]

ass

[zealous wing]

blazing spirit also bad on melee weapons

[spice aurora]

not badass. just bad and then ass

[zealous wing]

grab unstable power and something like shred, wrath, riposte, deflector, etc based on what you need to fit your playstyle/kit

[spice aurora]

if you really like the slice youd want a blessing that lets you just kill more to get more slices. a crit slice can hit some disgusting breakpts on h40 tho but like, eh

[brazen merlin]

Thanks.

[ripe obsidian]

4 + 20 and then +/-10%

[dull scroll]

stack this stack that
I need a forcesword that I can pull out on the run one-shotting specials 100% of time right then and there, and that's obscurus
deimos fucked me way too many times in the past, dogs ran away..etc.

[crude zodiac]

Why do people not like blazing spirit in the discord?

[strong gulch]

Blazing spirit is great on VB / trauma staff.

It is poop on everything else because something has to survive a crit and the aoe of the attack is not big enough to matter.

[deft stump]

It's pointless on melee cos the thing is either already dead by then, or it doesn't happen.

[crude zodiac]

Even elites, especially crushers? How?

[deft stump]

Or it's a crusher and then it goes back to it ded in 4 heavies on a build that has 0 melee nodes.

Also, why FGS then, IDK.

But you have better blessings to take on the force (great) swords anyway.

[mental rock]

Soulblaze does almost nothing to crushers anyway

[deft stump]

Thus, pointless unless you have crazy soulblaze stacks.

Or max it out, which never will happen on melee before it is dead anyway.

[strong gulch]

It take a specific setup to make SB to good damage to a pack of crushers. Specifically for when there is a bunch of stuff around you.

[deft stump]

Unless there's 50 crushers, then you are just dead or trying to kill as fast as possible to even think of soulblaze.

Or you are purga with uncanny FS.

[crude zodiac]

Why would you need to think? It's on crit

Pskyer ain't low on crits even without shred

[deft stump]

Single target on crit, with 14 crushers walling you.

Okay.

[crude zodiac]

Dodge

Crouch dodge

Lol

[deft stump]

At that point you just skip that for unstable.

[mental rock]

Blazing spirit is so doodoo on melees

[deft stump]

Shred or whatever.

[crude zodiac]

You can't block everything, but you can with a dodge(now even more so due to latest patch)

[deft stump]

Person went from asking why Blazing is bad, we say why. Person is trying to make it seem blazing on crushers do anything now.

Okay.

Because crits kill literally nearly everything else instanty.

So pointless to have soulblaze.

And if they get one shotted, they do not get the soublaze DOT so they don't spread it.

Well, unless you get perilous combustion and wildfire on melee build which is another whole can of just why?

And it's an elite/special.

[brazen merlin]

Is wildfire bad now? I heard it was a favorite.

[strong gulch]

Wildfire good in the correct build.

[deft stump]

It's okay on a purga staff build.

[brazen merlin]

So if I just have the inferno staff as an off thing, I shouldn't bother?

[deft stump]

More or less. Unless you actually use it on big hordes.

If not, no point wasting points on PC or Wildfire.

[strong gulch]

Wildfire with multiple sources of SB = good (especially with KF)
Wildfire with minimal SB = skip

[brazen merlin]

So without wildfire, soulblaze is also meh, right?

[strong gulch]

No.

[brazen merlin]

Er, souldrinker

[strong gulch]

Souldrinker is good if there is consistent SB on the field.

[deft stump]

Depends. Soul drinker works if you have another purga payker on your team.

Otherwise, might be a skip unless you can consistently burn things with soulblaze.

[strong gulch]

Back on wildfire. It's helps with range, precooking, and snowballing SB stacks via KF and PC (plus other SB sources).

So on inferno, fire VB, shriek spam builds, wildfire good

[deft stump]

Just never on meleeker builds.

Unless you just wanna meme, I guess.

[plucky flax]

Unless youre pro like karien and run no talents white weapon solo h40

[deft stump]

Stop lying to people, seriously.

[hollow summit]

I dont understand when I should assail instead of just blasting the special

Or what the las pistol is good for

[deft stump]

You see that sniper a mile away? or that bomber?

Abuse your inf crits to murder.

[strong gulch]

Laspistol is really good if you can head shot. It's got pretty good monster DPS.

If you got a clear shot to a special and you can rely on your aim, shoot it if ammo isn't a problem. If you questin your aim or a special is kinda embedded in enemies, assail it.

If you don't know which to do, assail is a good option; especially if WU is up s you can dump assails at 100% peril for 10s (11.5s with grace period) and get the warp related buffs from warp splitting and warp rider.

Ye. If there is ranged around, can use EE for more safety.

[deft stump]

Also range. Certain places, assail just doesn't reach.

[strong gulch]

Recon can dump shot faster than laspistol. If you have true aim, you can make sure that you start things off with a known crit.

[hollow summit]

I'm playing sg fgs, trying to learn

Cuz i keep dying lol

[strong gulch]

And recon, laspistol, or vraks 5 are the uasual picks to go with FGS SG build.

[hollow summit]

Why recon?

[strong gulch]

Ease of use, ammo econ, EE abuse, stacks burn DoT easily.

Most choose recon

assail + FGS covers most of the ground so there's room to try different guns

fan revolver, bistol, shredder, etc

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire good.

[strong gulch]

wildfire good

[deft stump]

Just never on a melee build.

[hollow summit]

Idk when I should run in

Keep getting shot to death in the pile of gunners

Playing on damnation

[deft stump]

You mean, slide in?

[hollow summit]

Ye

Defo sliding

[deft stump]

Could try shooting on the way in.

[hollow summit]

Hmmm

Ok

[deft stump]

Or throw assail and clear without going into a gunner pack.

[hollow summit]

But he glow blue and I must stabb

[deft stump]

I thought he just needs to die?

[hollow summit]

Have to manage my approach better

Martyrdom plays exactly like this but doesn't die

[ripe obsidian]

I assume you mean Obscurus H1 for one-bopping, yes?

[strong gulch]

You shoot and get EE procs, assail them to stagger, finished them off with FGS.

You can swap between assail and shooting.

[plucky flax]

Pop gaze and just run in xd

[hollow summit]

Nope, already skipped to part 3

[strong gulch]

but now that it's easier on recon to just dump ammo and abuse EE

[plucky flax]

Watch some decent players to see how they play

[hollow summit]

And ded

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I don't like Soulblaze on melee. For melee DoT build, crit scum is the thing. Or crit knife zealot.

[deft stump]

Someone argued soublaze on FGS/FS is good because crushers earlier.

_>

[ripe obsidian]

What

That makes negative sense

[plucky flax]

If you play melee meme with fgs and creeping flames it works

[deft stump]

Cos what else if everything else dies on a crit for most part?

[plucky flax]

Essentially surge shriek spam but you use fgs

[deft stump]

I know, they started by, is that blessing on sword good. Ppl said no. Explained why even, I was all, when beeg sword basically kills all but crushers/bosses in 1 hit (Assuming meleeker and auric.), what's the point of soulblaze on crit?

[ripe obsidian]

I have some melee shriek builds in the guide, but none use blazing spirit melee

[deft stump]

Like, if you had a congaline of crushers, what would soulblaze on crit do for you that maybe taking Unstable shred would do way better?

Or unstable Wrath.

And then the fact one shots don't apply it so taking warpfire is a waste.

Unless you run PC as well.

[hollow summit]

On that note, how strong is the fgs special

[ripe obsidian]

Very.

[hollow summit]

Do I just save it for hordes

[ripe obsidian]

It's amazing for mixed hordes

[hollow summit]

I don't see it do much against elites

[deft stump]

If fully charged, wipes hordes in auric.... Unless you get a congaline of tanky things.

[hollow summit]

I see

So its mostly horde clear

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think it's great against carapace, but it'll wipe out anything smaller than a mauler or scab rager.

[deft stump]

Mixed hordes, yes.

[ripe obsidian]

Drop it on 20 Dreg ragers or shotgunners

[hollow summit]

Fair

[ripe obsidian]

Laugh as the killfeed ticks

[deft stump]

Everything disappears on it, barring cara for most parts.

And oggies/bosses.

[hollow summit]

Strange that I've not seen mine do that much

[deft stump]

You need to swing on maxed SG.

[hollow summit]

Not enough power I guess

Im around 400

[deft stump]

And then hope it crits for the BOOM.

Thanos snap, yes.

[hollow summit]

Just running into melee and light spam

[strong gulch]

You have to have it fully charged. By charged, I mean the 2 bars. Not how soon or late you release the speacial on FGS.

[hollow summit]

Being a derp

Ye ik

[strong gulch]

Some buffs helps too.

[hollow summit]

Well its fgs dd

Loads of buffs there

Also have crit chance on hit blessing

[strong gulch]

Taking DD and having DD stacks don't always mean the same thing.

[hollow summit]

Do you have to kill the target yourself for the stack

[strong gulch]

But I am mostly responding to "just needing fully charged special".

[strong gulch]

yes

[hollow summit]

I see

[strong gulch]

staggering, pushing it, etc refreshes your stack tho

edit: it = DD target

[hollow summit]

Usually I forget to use the special, or i just spam special button after sg wears off and I need peril to keep my buffs up

[strong gulch]

assail

[hollow summit]

True...

[strong gulch]

FGS special spam can be nice for CC

[hollow summit]

Noting

[deft stump]

That's the problem. The special hits for peashooter if no charges.

[strong gulch]

but otherwise is not great to just spam unless you're doing bleed memes

[deft stump]

It will stagger, but damage?

[deft stump]

I mean, free long range awkward frag.

[strong gulch]

bleed wave

[hollow summit]

If you wanna dot just play flame staff imo..

Or stabby knife

[plucky flax]

Wrath is bad on fgs

[deft stump]

Why unstable shred. I rather go unstable wrath than blaze on crit.

[verbal thistle]

Don't need cleave on a single target weapon with infinite cleave

[deft stump]

Or just deflector.

[plucky flax]

All the melee psykers in havoc use unstable shred/riposte for a reason

Nobody ever run wrath

[strong gulch]

Ye

[plucky flax]

The special is right there

Waste of a blessing

[strong gulch]

There was someone asking about why no one likes blazing spirit here in discord, then it got odd.

That's why it was brought up.

[hollow summit]

Oh right, maybe I should get riposte instead of shred...

[strong gulch]

Depends on shred vs riposte.

[hollow summit]

Since im running anticipation

[strong gulch]

You mean EE

[hollow summit]

No, the extra dodge

[plucky flax]

1 bar special spam more kills than inferno guy
https://youtu.be/LQtqumw1Ks8

[strong gulch]

EE procs riposte.

[hollow summit]

Ooh

[strong gulch]

You would dodge anyways.

[hollow summit]

Indeed

I feel its going to be more reliable for me especially at the initial swing

[strong gulch]

However, you don't always have melee attacks to dodge in situations with a high of CC or tauntgryn mission.

thus shred

but

shred takes time to stack up and drop if you miss or hit a dead body

[hollow summit]

Gunshots count

Since one constant is me sliding in to slice some fucker i see more value here

[plucky flax]

I prefer shred over riposte in all weapons. Kinda wish I could run shred with shivs

[hollow summit]

Why

[plucky flax]

My playstyle is sus maybe

I dont press dodge

[hollow summit]

Very sus

I came from vermintide, not dodging is a death sentence

[strong gulch]

I came from vermintide and I don't dodge as much as I should.

[ripe obsidian]

He's lying.

[plucky flax]

I came from vt2 too

[strong gulch]

have you run shred and riposte with uptime mod?

[plucky flax]

Dt easier game no need to dodge

[hollow summit]

Inb4 shield ironbreaker

[ripe obsidian]

It feels like half my dodges don't count as "successful," so I don't get buffs.

[strong gulch]

mutites are move tech
just win the 50/50

[hollow summit]

Disgusting thang

[strong gulch]

that's the other thing

[plucky flax]

No thats too hard

[ripe obsidian]

Meanwhile me losing most H40s I play. "Easy"

[strong gulch]

so true

[plucky flax]

Try harder or run more meta builds I guess

Or don't care about losing as long as you do your best like me

If i lose like 3 games in a row i take break

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/isaacwhy-silly-bipper-dintdint-repo-gif-7025649930312876539

[hollow summit]

Sigh, I tried playing ghammer merc

In vt2

It was actually pathetic

Same moveset as thammer

But light headshot couldn't oneshot a marauder

And it's such a sluggish weapon I get poked full of holes

[tulip kettle]

have you tried not letting the enemies hit you?

[hollow summit]

Yes

[strong gulch]

That's a thing?

https://tenor.com/view/shocker-shocked-futurama-im-shocked-gif-5296191

[ripe obsidian]

What if my best is not very good

[strong gulch]

B- Team go

[hollow summit]

lol, more like reject strike team number 321343

[ripe obsidian]

I want to try some more off-meta builds, but I worry about ruining other peoples' experiences.

[strong gulch]

Next time we havoc. Feel free to off meta.

[ripe obsidian]

Remove derank, Fatshark

[deft stump]

I mean, my best is like... failing at low havocs and aurics.

[ripe obsidian]

Hush, Karien. You are the best of us.

Don't tell me no. >:(

[hollow summit]

never been to aurics or havocs

still failing

lel

[strong gulch]

Remove derank or have bracketed groups. Like hexis said. If you get to the 35+ range and don't have H40 yet, you can't go below H35.

I don't hate the grind back up with a new season. It can be annoying, but the derank I specifically hate.

I can't play this game as much as I want due to health issues. I have to be doing consistently well in order to play havocs.

So as a chronically ill person who has had to be more aggressive with pacing, the derank just disrespects my time.

[deft stump]

You know I'm bad.

[deft stump]

Deranking by itself is disrespecting of limited time on the earth. ppl just wanna get to h40 and have fun doing whatever.

[strong gulch]

I will only play with friends when I've been consistently well or I have specifically not played the game for a bit to build up enough energy and capacity to play havocs.

There's too many moving parts that just haven't been aligning; so I am not able to play havocs.

[deft stump]

But nope, everything gotta have ranking systems because.

[strong gulch]

Ye. It's just extra bad when you're sick.

[deft stump]

Eh, I just don't know why the devs are simply that blind about it. Just remove deranking and let people pick what havoc level they wanna play.

[strong gulch]

yip

[ripe obsidian]

Engagement farming is 100% the reason.

Same as any online game with weeklies or dailies.

[deft stump]

Make better events.

Or loop more events.

[ripe obsidian]

This is Fatshark we're talking about.

They succeed despite themselves

[deft stump]

See what mobo games do.

Event every week.

People get on because good freebies.

Sure, it'll be worthless to the 0.1%... But honestly, isn't that just the H40 box to said 0.1%?

When I play with actual newer players, I keep hearing them struggle for resources.

Events help with it.

[ripe obsidian]

Or just look at another horde shooter: DRG

[deft stump]

You mean the game with a free battlepass that's never time limited or gated?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

It is fantastic

[deft stump]

Well, multiple now since they made all old ones accessible now.

[ripe obsidian]

It makes the game very accessible and rewarding

[errant karma]

yo guys
is stabby knife good on Psyker?

[deft stump]

They don't even fomo old event stuff, you just get them doing the next year's event.

[ripe obsidian]

Because they are a good studio

[deft stump]

Still needs to let us patpat more things though.

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot disagree

Patpat all things

[tulip kettle]

leaf lover talk

[deft stump]

Yes, all patpats, even other dwarves when?

[ripe obsidian]

I patpat the scout with my C4 and weak containment field plasma pistol

Does that count?

[plucky flax]

Why? If you host and try your best no one can complain. Their fault for requesting to join your lobby

Tis why i host and play bubble knight

[nocturne wasp]

Somebody mention my people?
ROCK AND STONE

[ripe obsidian]

Because I am diagnosed with a pretty severe anxiety disorder that largely takes the form of blaming myself for not being good enough.

[plucky flax]

Rip

Just play with karien and get free win shell carry

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I am working on it with medication and therapy, but shit's hard to kick, especially after 30+ years of not being treated and/or being told I was a problem and that mental health isn't a thing. But so it goes.

[strong gulch]

so valid

[deft stump]

I DO NAWT CARRY. YOU CARRY.

[deft stump]

Well, i know I'm not good enough... people make that certain offline. As said, i get told to go kill myself nearly every day so...

[ripe obsidian]

As someone with an anxiety disorder that was aggravated by family, I say to you >:(

Don't let them win.

[plucky flax]

Your family sucks

Id cut them off

[deft stump]

I don't need to be good if the other three are very good, right?

[ripe obsidian]

Mine? I did.

[strong gulch]

I am now havoc assaignment 1 because it's funny.

[deft stump]

I can't, unless you mean going to jail for the rest of my life.

[plucky flax]

I meant karien's. Who told their child to kill themselves daily

[ripe obsidian]

Doing things because they're funny is the best reason. I approve.

[strong gulch]

I can just rerol this 1

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, that is horrific.

[deft stump]

Is cheaper that way. She gets a room to rent and my PC is probably worth something scrapped.

[strong gulch]

Yeah...

some family...

[plucky flax]

If you dont know what to do you can try to apply to the military? Free housing and away from family

[ripe obsidian]

Don't talk about yourself that way.

[deft stump]

If if I manage to make it look like an accident... She gets another $2k something on top.

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe your mother should [statement redacted to avoid being banned from the server]

[deft stump]

Not fit enugh for that. I'm that person who literally blacks out running about a KM.

Actually, before... I went too far.

[deft stump]

Oh, I'm just repeating what she tells me every single day.

So the whole worthless failure is just usual. Is true.

Only thing I'm good at is gaming, and you know I'm actually bad at it.

[ripe obsidian]

You are a human being. Your existence has value. I genuinely don't care if you're good at things or bad at things. You matter, you are valuable, and no one has any right to say otherwise.

[deft stump]

Eh. Like I said, it's more or less a daily thing, I'm sorta used to it. You know she could have easily just killed me if she wanted by now, or well, found a way to make me disappear.

[ripe obsidian]

That's terrible.

[deft stump]

Is SEA. SG is harder, but going missing on sea or the neighboring countries is pretty easy.

[ripe obsidian]

That doesn't make it less terrible

[deft stump]

I guess is her way of stuff. Their generation is all about beating people till they become good.

[dull scroll]

yes lol

if you getting chased by a train you have one shot at taking out a special in your path, you miss that window you have to keep moving and that thing you didn't take out comes back around again

[ripe obsidian]

That is not an excuse. Shitty behavior is shitty behavior.

[ripe obsidian]

It looks like on most enemies, Obscurus H1 does ~60-80% more damage on a non-crit headshot than Deimos L1. Not counting and blessings or talents.

[deft stump]

Is an Asian thing.

[ripe obsidian]

Shitty behavior is shitty regardless of age or ethnicity. >:(

[deft stump]

Is what it is though.

[patent jacinth]

Doesn't mean it should stay that way

[tulip kettle]

all people are valid

except smykers

[mental rock]

Good one, but they aren't people

[ripe obsidian]

I smite, therefore I'm not

[tulip kettle]

i have literally never seen you smite

[strong gulch]

maybe I will smite

[deft stump]

Paladin smite?

[strong gulch]

no

the smyker kind

[ripe obsidian]

I don't smite. But I was making a riff on, "I think, therefore I am"

I don't have a single smite build. It's boring.

[deft stump]

I hate it when ppl run it, so I don't run it in return.

[strong gulch]

Single point shield smite.

or just try to use it as a primer

i can't bring myself to smyker

[white willow]

thx for the insights I will try the deimos I like the single target combo

[white willow]

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not. My wife is Chinese, her parents came here with her from southern China when she was little. They did the usual “Tiger mom” stuff which made my wife a very anxious person but didn’t spend a bunch of time doing what you described. That’s inhuman. I would never do that to my daughter and I’ll damn sure tear a bright new hole in anyone else who tried it on.

It’s not right. Look, like, truth is you probably shouldn’t spend so much of your time playing games and it’s probably sensible to at least walk more for your own health if you can’t run without blacking out. But you definitely don’t deserve a bunch of comments about how you’re worthless or should grill yourself. You’re not and you shouldn’t, simple as 🤷‍♀️. If someone is telling you that then they’re in the wrong.

Heck, our relatives in China don’t do that stuff either and I’m pretty sure at least some of them have gotten up to some shady stuff

[strong gulch]

Gonna push back on the walk more rec a bit. You don't know someone health. There could be an underlying health issue that "walk more" may be dangerous.

It would be good if walking were a safe and healthy option, but it isn't for everyone.

Other than that, I take no issue.

[zinc phoenix]

Fair enough. I generally assume a baseline level of healthiness in people who aren’t seniors and that’s probably wrong. But bottom line: no tell people to grill self, especially if you are their parent 🤦‍♀️

[spice aurora]

Wat I walk into

[deft stump]

I mean, it could just be passed down in the family. You need to be the one to stop it, though it will not help what happened to your mind. And to be fair, to some, they have the right of way due to mindset. (Also, likely heart issues. Everyone older than me has had at least two heart attacks by now. Minor or otherwise.)

[deft stump]

Parents telling one to go take a swim... in the ocean.

[spice aurora]

Parasites and bad stuff out there

[hollow summit]

eh do people take the extra warp damage on non warp kill

[spice aurora]

I do for some builds

[hollow summit]

worth it on fgs

?

[deft stump]

MM? Malefic momentum? Yes, if you swap kill alot. Usually with assail.

[strong gulch]

Yes. For meleeker or gunker with assail.

[spice aurora]

I love it on fgs tbh

[hollow summit]

hmm

a bit low on points...

[strong gulch]

Maybe also charged strikes.

KF meleeker or gunker has bad MM uptime

[spice aurora]

@hollow summit if you want more sword dmg uptime, try to sprint slide into a horde and do a heavy slash. The projectile dmg doesn’t change but the physical swing itself is actually really huge dmg and kills from the physical swing will actually generate points to the next charge

If you hit a dense enough horde you can literally full charge another special, with a special lmao

[hollow summit]

🤔

[zinc phoenix]

If you don’t weave assail in when you’re swording and don’t want to learn, skip it

[hollow summit]

silly

[zinc phoenix]

It’s very good but it requires very active management

[spice aurora]

I also use EK surge staff as a revolver and havoc 40 usually gives me enough reason to, a lot of the time, pull it out for a quick warp kill (I use it like a revolver) before the stacks run out

So I don’t actively worry about managing it, uptime for sword buff max stacks is roughly 40-45% in-combat

[hollow summit]

this is my build atm

[ripe obsidian]

Just did a shock mine Arby 39. Went surprisingly well for my current level of grogginess.

Got the host to H40, so that's good

Did more damage than I would've expected, but took more than I should've

[strong gulch]

That is the other way to use MM that doesn't make full use of it but is still doing something. Just using MM to buff "other kind" of damage when you need it vs actively keeping the whole buff up.

[hollow summit]

im not sure if extra ogryn damage is a good node here

[ripe obsidian]

It is usually a good node.

I run it on most builds.

[spice aurora]

I never take it off

[ripe obsidian]

It usually is a choice between that or a defensive node, so that's the choice you'll have to make

[spice aurora]

Its basically “more dmg against the things you need more dmg against” xD

[zinc phoenix]

“Do 20% more damage to the scary stuff” hmm no I want 5% more damage to random pieces of paper 🙏

[ripe obsidian]

Speaking of more damage to scary stuff, I have started running +5% crit on bubble inferno and +25% unyielding on Shriek. Reason being, the 25% gets way more mileage when I can shriek at things, and the 5% crit gives me more against basic trash mobs when I'm on bubble duty. Seems to be working fairly well.

[zinc phoenix]

I am a big fan of quietude in melee builds. If you are ever operating alone and getting harassed by shooters it gives you a source of toughness on tap

[ripe obsidian]

I am a big fan of Quietude since the rework.

[strong gulch]

I prefer to not take by crack of bone since SG uptime is pretty good and I assail dump during warp unbound.

I should look at my average stacks tho. It's been awhile and I haven't been playing much meleeker.

[ripe obsidian]

Unrelated, I wish Scoreboard could calculate damage absorbed/blocked with bubble or golden toughness.

[strong gulch]

Seems like something to ask about in the mod discord.

[spice aurora]

I think shields only take one damage and can only take one dmg every so often up to 20 or some shit

[ripe obsidian]

That is correct

1 damage every 0.3 seconds or so, up to 20 total, so 6.6 second minimum bubble time

[spice aurora]

I forgot what the lord master, all heil, kuli guide said xD

[strong gulch]

Bubble has HP and but has a minimum uptime of like 6.6s. Or 6s.

aw got it. 6.6s

[spice aurora]

I’m a wall enjoyer, I love losing games with walls. Last h40 at the end I put two walls and a trapper shot through both 😢

[strong gulch]

Ye

[tulip kettle]

holy

[zinc phoenix]

Dog pounced me thru two walls and a push the other day. I was salty

[strong gulch]

they can shoot thru at an angle

seems like sus

[zinc phoenix]

Dog even had the “I am fried” graphic from the wall effect

[spice aurora]

It was right dead on centered on even terrain with walls alresdy put

It was basically maximally a FS moment xD

[strong gulch]

lag can also cause issues

but yeah, nets and wall I find unreliable

they get thru way too often

[ripe obsidian]

If I remember correctly, it's something to do with angle and projectile speed with wall. It only checks the status of a projectile every 5 or 6 frames, so if a projectile goes through at the correct angle, it misses the check entirely.

[ripe obsidian]

Seems like cheating.

[spice aurora]

Since wall lost 10s cd its been basically 100% uptime so even when shit gets really really bad, its nice knowing most specials cant play the game

[tulip kettle]

nope

walls also frequently allow dogs and muties through

[zinc phoenix]

I love wall. I love leaving wall behind me in doorways. So many random special kills doing that 😂

[tulip kettle]

i have a clip of a dog running back and forwards through a wall 3 times

[strong gulch]

oggy too tall

[tulip kettle]

if its not reliable its not useable

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, they count as projectiles in this case. But it's spaghetti code regardless.

Well, projectiles in my terminology

[spice aurora]

The muties kinda rng, if they get stunned and recoil thru the wall fully or not

Dogs always run thru then get stunned, 100% dogs play by that rule

[ripe obsidian]

Probably more than one issue involved with that

[tulip kettle]

just, no

[spice aurora]

Yes?

[tulip kettle]

they do not

[spice aurora]

I have like 100+ h40 with wall

They do lol

[tulip kettle]

lmao

[spice aurora]

Like literally yes

[strong gulch]

Maybe we get rid of wall and also make it a bubble. A bubble that captures enemies and launches them then it explodes.

[tulip kettle]

100% dogs cant run through walls bro

trust me bro

[ripe obsidian]

omg you're steam friends with Ainz. He won't even accept my Darktide friend request.

[strong gulch]

immortal dog

[ripe obsidian]

Just recode wall so it's not made of spaghetti

[spice aurora]

Idk maybe ur staff fked it up

Never seen before never happened to me once

[tulip kettle]

it runs through as well

wtf are u syaing homie

[spice aurora]

It does run thru I said

[tulip kettle]

and isnt stunned

this is just one clip

but you just said

100%

[spice aurora]

I literally said it runs thru then gets stunned and ive never had that happen to me idk whst to tell you

[strong gulch]

Actual spaghetti might be more fun tbh.

[tulip kettle]

like, lmao

[spice aurora]

100% for me lmao

[zinc phoenix]

That only happens with trauma, I’ve done the same thing

[spice aurora]

Idk what to tell you brah its absolutely never happend to me once ever

And I’m p sure its bc of trauma

[tulip kettle]

and i see specials run through all the time

i see nets go through all the time

[ripe obsidian]

Wall is buggy. We can all agree on this.

[tulip kettle]

i have plenty clips

no no

[spice aurora]

I never said they don’t

[tulip kettle]

its 100%

[ripe obsidian]

This is not a topic worth arguing over

[zinc phoenix]

Wall works 95% of the time for me but when it fails I am very sad

[tulip kettle]

precisely

if it fails 1 in 100 times

[spice aurora]

I said 100% for dogs which was true for me and I never use the trauma staff

[tulip kettle]

its not something im gonna use

[spice aurora]

That’s a you issue

[tulip kettle]

lmao

[spice aurora]

Its very workable lol

[zinc phoenix]

I been enjoying it with my weird wall empowered assail trauma thing

[strong gulch]

Or the push back being inconsistent so things get through because they stopped weird.

[ripe obsidian]

gib an H40 wall build. I don't have one in the build guide.

[spice aurora]

That’s the mutie recoil I was talkin about

[zinc phoenix]

I’m guessing basically bubble knight but with wall instead of bubble

[spice aurora]

Ill do it after I solo h40 with it so the wall haters can go argue with someone else

[tulip kettle]

😂

[ripe obsidian]

People who solo H40 concern me.

[strong gulch]

I think wall has its uses, but I prefer other ways to gamble in this game.

[spice aurora]

I did half on baross half on archivum, once you do one full room you’re set to do the rest

And most I got on fgs psyk was with walls

[zinc phoenix]

The most annoying thing about wall is that it blocks bon vomit but then bon just goes forward and barfs again

[ripe obsidian]

I am too old and too slow to try to solo H40. Would just be an exercise in frustration.

[strong gulch]

I am still reeling from learning that you can turn the wall.

[ripe obsidian]

wait what

[strong gulch]

I saw it like a month ago. YOU CAN TURN IT

[ripe obsidian]

This is like learning you can toss Arby's nuncio like a softball

[tulip kettle]

its the exact same mechanic as tossing nuncio

[strong gulch]

right?

[ripe obsidian]

I somehow still don't have 100 games played on Arby. What is this nonsense.

[strong gulch]

doesn't seem right

[zinc phoenix]

I bounced off arby, it’s too tough and too much light attacks

I need the painnnnn

[ripe obsidian]

I like tanky Arby. It feels nice. Fits my need for a tanky/supporty class, like I play in almost every other multiplayer game

[zinc phoenix]

Scum melee is a similar problem for me of “stack cleave-> spam lights

Hurts me hand

[ripe obsidian]

Old hands unite

This is witchcraft.

[zinc phoenix]

Wut

[strong gulch]

you found it

[zinc phoenix]

What button is that

[spice aurora]

I like the finger movement

[ripe obsidian]

Hold F and left click

[zinc phoenix]

😱

What other abilities have secret alt modes??

[strong gulch]

some of us are M5 degens

[spice aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/rotate-gif-25402076

[ripe obsidian]

M5 is my special attack button. Or M4. One of them. The other is push to talk

[strong gulch]

M4 is dodge and my special is C

keybinds

what a time

[zinc phoenix]

I use one of the little mouse buttons for dodge. Also space. I bound jump to B so I get stuck on things all the time 😂

[ripe obsidian]

Jump is L-Alt for me

[strong gulch]

B is in game push to talk.

= is discord push to talk

I never use B.

Also, the all important "I think there's a DH" button. T

[plucky flax]

Bruh moment

[strong gulch]

G used to be "I'm sorry" but that wasn't... healthy lmao

[plucky flax]

Every game has jump as space

Why change it

[ripe obsidian]

How do I end up with >40% ranged crit rate with my Shriek build when my staff maxes out at 37.5% crit? What am I missing?

[zinc phoenix]

High levels of Canadian detected, seek medical attention

[spice aurora]

👀

[dull scroll]

Bruh is an absolute god at FGS and the wall, the best I've seen tbh

[ripe obsidian]

An example

[dull scroll]

and I do keep receipts 😏

[queen radish]

Why?????

[dull scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/84NrRsOru9k

[spice aurora]

Yo I got communion, easy clap tomorrow

[ripe obsidian]

Because space is dodge and I do not want space and jump on the same button.

[zinc phoenix]

I think everyone has jumped into death when they meant to dodge and that’s why it gets rebound by everyone 😂

[ripe obsidian]

Yyyyyyyyyup

I feel a little bad for the psyker in my last game. Poor fella had like 450k ranged damage and only 550k soulblaze. Everything died too quickly.

[strong gulch]

irk the crit mod doesn't show or account for some crit rate

I also know the the scoreboard mod can be odd in what it counts

but also sometimes luck is different

Ainz might know more about the scorebaord thing

[hollow summit]

but yknow, more damage when i swap to assail

durrr

i guess the build is alright

i just am completely unable to keep my peril stable

[spice aurora]

@dull scroll how did I aggro the dh earlier lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Use the build that works for you. VECT's inferno build, for example, is not one I enjoy, but they're quite good with it.

[hollow summit]

probably not enough density

[hollow summit]

and that is?

[ripe obsidian]

It should be linked in the bonanza

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a027409f-a745-44c1-b76a-045c26d47fa3/the-ultimate-inferno-psyker

[dull scroll]

what the game where you used the cursed trauma staff and absolutely spiraled? that's going to be pure content

😂

[spice aurora]

O no that game I swear lil bro was on it wasnt me 😭

No the scum game where I got pushed off the map xD

[dull scroll]

https://youtu.be/J_qOdFcddJY check the vid for how to use the build

[strong gulch]

DH aggro can be weird sometimes.

[hollow summit]

hmmm

im not too keen on inferno

welp

[ripe obsidian]

Use whatever weapons you want, too

[spice aurora]

It was oubliette, below first event the one that sits in middle

I hugged as far left as I can, ZOOMING past with scum giga dodges

And I still aggro

Thankfully scum is dum so the dh died but I’m like wtf

[ripe obsidian]

Scum is dumb.

Weirdly enough, almost every Scum teammate I win with in H40 runs stimm supply.

Even in non-blight maps

[strong gulch]

I know running makes the DH wake more.

There's an old convo about it.

Sometimes it's just wtf.

[spice aurora]

Idk anything about flame staff all I know is that when vect is the last one alive in h40 with it, I’m a happy dude xD

[strong gulch]

I trust vect to be the last one up.

[ripe obsidian]

I have never played with Vect, but I'm pretty sure they're a better player than me.

[spice aurora]

I do the same. Desperado doesn’t do anything and rampage is for melee, so just give everyone buffs with crate

[strong gulch]

I don't trust me. I've gotten worse at the game.

[strong gulch]

Ye thanks

[ripe obsidian]

Kuli is the savior

[spice aurora]

That’s the thing, diff builds can still be just fine that’s y I’m hesitant to put my wall build cuz its kinda weird and I don’t think ppl like the talents but its molded by 100+ h40 with uptime mod in mind for my playstyle

So for a lot of ppl they actually don’t like it xD

[ripe obsidian]

I am generally suspicious of off-meta builds unless I know the player is good.

Too many H40 players who don't know what's going on

[spice aurora]

are most of the builds on the guide using perilous combussy?

[strong gulch]

I mean, it might open people up to different ways to play.

[ripe obsidian]

Many do. Not all.

I don't like PC on melee builds, or most DD builds.

[spice aurora]

Same xD

[strong gulch]

Who cares what you run in aurics and below.

Of course havoc build need to work for that player.

[ripe obsidian]

I typically only take PC on inferno, blazing trauma, or shriek builds

[strong gulch]

Ye

[ripe obsidian]

PC without another source of soulblaze is eh

[spice aurora]

I didnt try a lot of games with it but I did 10 or so. I saw top left of screen go crazy with a shotgunner pack but like, its a shotgunner pack so who cares 🤷

[ripe obsidian]

But this is why I put the templates in the guide. I want to give people some amount of ability to make their own builds without feeling constrained to what I've posted.

What server are you on @spice aurora? Vect is NA East, no?

[wispy bay]

Because you can run 100% viscosity and the up time buff is significant because of enemy density.

[spice aurora]

West but no1 play on west anymore on havoc so I queue east lol

[ripe obsidian]

Wot's your username? We might've played together.

[wispy bay]

Like you can get both damage reduction, attack speed, cd speed and full crit path.

[spice aurora]

On psyk its temu-zealot

[ripe obsidian]

I might've seen you, not sure. Not ringing a bell.

[spice aurora]

I get declined to every game so I make my own and spam accept on anyone xD

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly decline any other psyker

I am territorial. >:(

[spice aurora]

Fair xD

I only queued on east recent tho

[ripe obsidian]

Well, if you see Spoony-Threepus or Joony-Dreepus or Gloomy-Kreepus or any names in that style, it is probably me

I mostly play Psyker or Arby in H40. Sometimes Zealot if necessary. Not confident enough in other classes.

[spice aurora]

O I think I saw one of those

[wispy bay]

That's my experience on NA.

[spice aurora]

You can play whatever in my group xD I memorize where the accept button is and I auto click there then afk for a bit

[wispy bay]

If I put my true survivor on , they will pick me more.

But usually those people are trashs.

[spice aurora]

Dude there are some good sub-rank 20 players

[ripe obsidian]

I want to try more non-Inferno Psyker builds, as well as try Scum. Zealot is whatever, and Veteran I die too quickly. I strongly dislike Ogryn movement.

Arby I have my one build I like and I stick to it

[wispy bay]

The few people who take whoever sign up are the confident ones. They are very strong.

[spice aurora]

Like the melee fgs shit?

[ripe obsidian]

Blazing Trauma + Shriek, Bubble Knight, Surge Surge, etc.

[spice aurora]

@ripe obsidian https://youtu.be/T5NAn5-c-G8?si=8VE1xqaK_f0e8-Ms

I think I was just testing perilous (I hated it) but you more or less play walls like this too

[wispy bay]

How fo you die quickly as vet? Genuine question.

Because I usually survive as vet way longer than other classes.

[spice aurora]

Skip to like 3-4m when it gets spicy xD

[ripe obsidian]

I get hit when I don't have VoC ready and struggle to regen toughness.

My reaction speed can be kinda slow sometimes.

Typically my vet games are perfectly fine--not great, but serviceable--until I get slapped once, then it's an uphill battle

I tend to die all at once rather than to chip damage

[ripe obsidian]

EK as a melee sidearm is fun.

[spice aurora]

My trusty revolver

Try playing that kinda build if you don’t wanna flame, that shyte is crack

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I have melee FGS builds. I am competent enough with them, but not H40 competent, I think. Haven't tried in quite a while

[spice aurora]

Do it in my game if you want a zero stress environment xD

[ripe obsidian]

Some other night. I am feverish and bleh right now

But thank you

[marble crater]

Good night and get well

[ripe obsidian]

and if you want any builds added to the build guide, link 'em and ping me or DM me.

[wispy bay]

That's me for zealot.

[ripe obsidian]

My Zealot games can be super swingy. Sometimes I run bedtime story and soap, and I just run around pressing F and trying to poke specials in the head.

Other games I run FotF w/ Relic Sword and top the damage charts

Other games I just do nothing and die

[ripe obsidian]

based on this video, you are also likely better than me, ha

[spice aurora]

No I mean try yhat build if you wanna try smthin new you were sayin xD

But with wall xD

[wispy bay]

I used to run relic sword and chorus.

[spice aurora]

You can do some demonic shit with wall and playin like that

[wispy bay]

But for some reason, every time I play that build now, I couldn't make it.

[ripe obsidian]

I'll have to try melee wall. Seems goofy.

[spice aurora]

Ill try to find the best clutches and upload. Things that only work bc of wall (usually a crazy res that stops every special ontop of the revives) or making kiting bosses easier cause muties are highest priority threat when solo / clutching

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot count how many times muties have ruined a great clutch

Had one the other day where 3 muties played basketball with me until I died. I couldn't even move between each throw

[spice aurora]

Yea clutches you have a lot on you

And all you have is an audio queue for mutie

Cuz you cant see them behibd a pack / boss

And the wall just alleviates it so hard

All my solo attempts were on scriers for move speed and just the damage but when I put wall, I went literally so much farther than scriers xD

Unless you cheat with like spidey sense or sm shit xD

[marble crater]

Couldn't be me

[ripe obsidian]

The cheatiest mods I use are Danger Zone and Debuff Indicator

[ripe obsidian]

Pain

[queen radish]

that made me depressed damn

Would you guys link me your best clutch videos?

[wraith sphinx]

come on and slam...

[deft stump]

Or just desperate. Sometimes, if I have to try cos i can't find any carry...

[deft stump]

Overheaded because mutie or nobody pushed the boomer and someone shot it oops which led to being blind since no HP on vet.

[plucky flax]

[wraith sphinx]

"Spidey sense is cheating" yeah no fuck that shit

I'll consider it cheating when fatshark fixes the game's myriad sound issues for good

[deft stump]

Skitarius is cheating though.

[wraith sphinx]

what does that mod do?

[deft stump]

Frame perfect macros basically.

[wraith sphinx]

oh so doing melee combos without ever bothering to learn them?

[deft stump]

Yeah, at insane speeds.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah thats cheating I agree

[deft stump]

I will accept autoclicker lvls if ppl complain about RSI/Carpal, but that's different.

[marble crater]

Spidey sense is not cheating yet I guess, the information is in the game and gets displayed differently, which is good for hearing or visual impaired people

[tulip kettle]

skitarius

doesnt let you do anything

that you cant otherwise do with your fingers

[wraith sphinx]

I'm just tired of losing games to completely silent bursters or crushers dawg

[tulip kettle]

or that you couldnt do with the basic software that comes with your mouse or keyboard

and, spidey sense works off the game audio

so if the special is silent it wont appear on spidey sense either

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah but it eliminates that process of learning. Sure, you can pull off an incredibly complex combo in a fighting game, but just because you can, does that justify having a software do it for you? It's de facto cheating

But nothing will change now tbh

DT shouldve been like VT2 from the start

Very few sanctioned mods

[tulip kettle]

?

[acoustic jacinth]

Everything else restricted to modded realm

[deft stump]

It was, I think.

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh really? Haven't heard

[tulip kettle]

there used to be many more sanctioned mods for VT2

and the current system in DT is the same, all the mods on nexus are "sanctioned mods"

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah but compare VT2's mods to this

[tulip kettle]

?

[acoustic jacinth]

VT2 doesn't play the game for you

[tulip kettle]

....

[acoustic jacinth]

What do you call skiitarius exactly?

You're doing nothing

[tulip kettle]

its a sanctioned mod that allows you to chain the 3 different weapon inputs in various combinations

the same as any basic mouse or keyboard software

[deft stump]

DT had EAC on release. They removed it cause they believed they can prevent cheating by having the server caculate most things.

[acoustic jacinth]

Removing it would still mean proportionally less people using it, but again like, i don't get why they do it but FS seem set in their ways, in that sense. Vt2 is completely different from the state of DT modding scene wise

[modest perch]

thats just a bunch of bullshit. theres a gaping chasm of difference between a combo being possible under the strictest most technical definition of the term and being reliably executable during real combat with the limits presented by hardware, lag, and human anatomy

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah, this is like TAS for fighting games literally

Is it possible? Yeah sure but a machine can do anything, in that sense, it's only technically possible

[summer prairie]

for most weapons it barely matters, the combos are so simple and you can buffer

[modest perch]

not that i give a shit if a handful of sweaty nerds want to macro frame 1 attacks

[deft stump]

Not at the speed of it to be fair. Can you frame perfect a combo consistently an entire match without fail? Unlikely.

[summer prairie]

it's not frame perfect because attacks are buffered

you can start holding your next heavy while executing current one

you lose some time by holding it too long sure

[modest perch]

in fact all the complaining (which outweighed the usage of the thing by several orders of magnitude) about it in the past led to quell cancelling getting nuked alongside the movement speed of all staves

the latter of which affects every psyker that isnt married to the gun

[deft stump]

More like qq swapping and such without accidental ranged shot inputs. Or actual complex combos that isn't just dueling sword heavy spam.

[summer prairie]

well qq swapping is a completely different story,

very few weapons in dt have complex attacks

[deft stump]

Thing is really the unrealistic speed Skitarius allows for. Most humans will never match the pace and tempo which adds to it.

[tulip kettle]

but it doesnt do that

[summer prairie]

even people who do qq swaps manually generally have guaranteed weapon swap

[tulip kettle]

the mod creator nerfed it

[summer prairie]

it does do that

very unrealistic speed especially l1 qq

[tulip kettle]

idk i reported a bug that you cant qq swap FGS

and he replied saying he intentionally nerfed it

but again, you could literally use AHK to do the same thing

[deft stump]

The deimos one doesn't seem slowed though.

[deft stump]

Game already eats my heavy inputs part of the time by having me do lights.

Is why I just go mostly for light spam weapons and oggy heavy hitter penance is a pain.

[hollow summit]

which mark is better for recon lasgun btw

[deft stump]

Blu/green on psyker.

[hollow summit]

le what

[deft stump]

To be fair, blue/green always better.

12 and 6c.

Fast and med marks.

[hollow summit]

oh the gun colors

i see

[deft stump]

Yeah, I honestly don't remember numbers and need to check every time. But the colour is obvious to me.

[wispy bay]

The brown is also good, it just has some ammo management issue.

[deft stump]

Basically, blue is burning things to death, green is tryhard best ammo efficiency can shoot to kill or burn to death with faster pullout and reload vs blue, brown/red is 1.5x damage with tiny cleave for 2 ammo per shot. Also do not use brown to burn, just for shot damage.

[inland gate]

What the diff of inferno staff and electro kinetic

[deft stump]

One is horde clear focused and actually op in havoc, the other is basically single target requiring buffs after FS buffed all enemy hp.

[inland gate]

FS?

[deft stump]

Unless you count lmb smg build.

[deft stump]

Fatshark.

[inland gate]

Ahhh

[wraith sphinx]

[deft stump]

It just feels sketch with breakpoints after enemy hp increased.

Things just feel like they don't die (fast enough) anymore.

And the peril cost is too high to the damage done imo atm.

[inland gate]

Would i be a cringe teammate to go VS over bubble?

[deft stump]

Nobody cares in lower diffs. Havoc, you will likely just be blocked or rejected.

[inland gate]

Damn really?

[deft stump]

People just want bubble in havoc.

Maybe as a second psyker, you can run it. But GL getting in as a second psyker in the first place.

Maybe if you ask around in lfg or find ppl okay with it, but pure party finder, no bubble=rejected in most cases.

[inland gate]

Damn

Also that one node where you kill an elite and spread fire

It feels like its just not proc'ing or the wildfire not spreading it

Maybe its a difficulty thing

[hollow summit]

welp, guess im running medium

[summer prairie]

vulture's dodge basically doesn't work for melee and doesn't seem like slippery customer does either

[hollow summit]

i like faster swap

[deft stump]

More, try both blu/green. They run the same blessings and perks anyway.

Brown/Red is a different set up so might be costly to test depending on how new you are.

[deft stump]

Slippery works for me on low ping. I just get backstabbed on high ping.

[summer prairie]

it partially works

[deft stump]

I only use shivs and knoife so yeah.

Needler is out only when trapper or boss shows.

This is from like a congaline of 4 train missions carrying the battery lul while testing ping.

High enough ping is, roll dex save to not be hit.

[hollow summit]

actually do i want headhunter

i dont feel like im hitting weakspots lol

[honest oasis]

Just started my psyker about to head to havoc with him. Are the builds in pins updated or is there a more up to date meta bubble build?

[acoustic jacinth]

Bonanza is up to date, six has worked on a lot in there

[deft stump]

Wot. You run dum dum and infernus.

Unless brown/red mark.

[hollow summit]

but sg

werp

[deft stump]

Yes. I'm pretty sure you still run those two on blu/green with gaze.

@summer prairie What blessings do you run on recon?

[hollow summit]

ok den

[deft stump]

Check the build bonanza to be sure, I guess?

I think headhunter is only the brown mark.

[summer prairie]

dumdum infernus

[hollow summit]

it blank

man

im struggling

[deft stump]

Guess those broke. Syllo told you though.

Dum dum infernus was right.

[hollow summit]

ye

i just cant seem to feel like im getting work done with this build

[deft stump]

I dunno. I'm actually not that good at the game. I just pick up stuff here and there much.

[hollow summit]

it aint feel good and im just floundering

[deft stump]

I could offer you the same build I gave a friend, but it's likely worse than anything you can get from the builds in pinned.

[hollow summit]

its fine lol...

im just gonna do some electro

[deft stump]

Otherwise, I just know some things and that's about it.

[spice aurora]

My fav can of worms to open 😈

[plucky flax]

I use it cos bad and deaf

[tardy pumice]

is psyker considered the most difficult class to play at high havoc?

i feel like im at the mercy of my group in many missions (them not allowing mobs like unstaggerable crushers/maulers/etc to swarm me for example)

and generally just feel like an extreme glass cannon. when i spectate others, they dont have anywhere near as much APM as me, it seems

[supple pine]

What kinda build are you running weapons ect….

[tardy pumice]

flamer ds shriek

[supple pine]

That’s a tough one

Have you tried any other builds?

Just gauging what you like

[tardy pumice]

uh

tried melee psyker also

i rly like flamer

[plucky flax]

No id say scum harder to play

There's just a lot of mediocre psykers

[mental mulch]

Weird, psyker doesnt seem all that hard

[small radish]

guys

psykers that mod

does lingering scriers effects not have a buff icon in vanilla?

how do i know... when i can explode again

i never use scriers gaze

i was baby smiter

[summer prairie]

they do have an icon

[small radish]

oh its a meat grinder bug of course

i just had to reload after changing talents

maybe its cuz my mods

it's the stacks

thats nice, easy to notice

everyone makes scriers gaze look fun I wanna try playing psyker like a zealot

crits melee speed

psyker should have gotten a melee crits inflict soulfire talent

[pine elk]

scrier's gaze is also insanely good as a crutch against peril
like, you can literally never overload with it

even at 100%

[sturdy reef]

I honestly dumped dum dum in favor of desperado on the heavy las

makes EE more consistent

[small radish]

EE?

[sturdy reef]

empathic evasion

[small radish]

Oh yeah that seems good

you can't deal damage when you're on the ground from gunners

mini vulture scum

[sturdy reef]

its only close range damage

for dum dum

and heavy las isnt the best for boss dps anyway

FGS is better

[small radish]

it helps until 30m

it's half effectiveness at ~~22.5m

i was thinking warp unbound would help with brain burst penance farming, i dislike brainburst so much

btw do people still use empowered smite? Was that/is that good in medium havoc, does it still not work well enough against stagger resistant guys?

I dont remember the details but smite sucks against green bless guys right

and other havoc modifiers make smite not work well?

I never played high level psyker, just got to 30 and only played with goated friends so i never got challenged myself

i like smite but i feel its a newbie thing that falls off

cuz stagger resistance

i dont know what my favorite blitz is

[brazen merlin]

What's a good ranged weapon to pair with the greatsword? If you don't have any of the staff talents, should you even have a staff?

[inland ice]

Vraks iag

[brazen merlin]

And which stat do you have lowest on that? Stability?

[plucky flax]

Mk12 recon las

[white sky]

Ammo iirc, it only loses 22 rounds total and 2 in a mag.

[spice aurora]

I put it on for bursters bc I said fk these no audio fatties

And most clips I record of it happening, it is playing and ive come to terms with me being audibly regarded 😐

and oddly when I turned it back off, I stopped having issues lol

[spice aurora]

I use no staff talents on a full melee build and specifically the electrokinetic staff with left click only can destroy specials and elite gunners, if you want to use it kinda like a gun and not worry about talents for it

That staff has innate crit chance bonuses. Surge blessing is double-damage essentially on crit, plus the crits have like, really stupidly high crit damage modifiers, and bc it crits so much you get a lot out of the top right talents with crit triggered stacking buffs

Gun is good but its just so you don’t feel “I cant use a staff well bc no staff talents”

[simple galleon]

I feel like the difficulty of psyker depends a ton on how your teammates do or don't value teamplay

If everyone is all over the place, you end up having much smaller groups of mobs to light up and have to spend more effort and time to avoid getting surrounded

[verbal thistle]

really only a problem for purg staff

[brazen merlin]

Thanks.

[quartz barn]

the solution to this is to simply push up and have everything aggro to you

[mighty shuttle]

Definitely felt that bit of slight frustration of “please let me get the kills so I can build DD’ before haha when it comes to everyone being all over the place

[ripe obsidian]

@zealous wing not being able to get DD stacks? Wonder what that's like.

[zealous wing]

what about not getting dd stacks

[spice aurora]

When I see dd stacks I think of edd from ed edd n eddy

[ripe obsidian]

When I was gunscum and you were on Psyker.

[zealous wing]

i had no issues

[zinc phoenix]

If people gonna gunscum the solution is clear: empowered assail

[zealous wing]

DD is very generous in valid targets

[mental mulch]

Still works in high havoc considering the amount of complaints about people making the game too easy

[ripe obsidian]

You expressed during the end event that you had only 1 stack

[ripe obsidian]

Smite still works in high havoc. It spreads slower due to increased hitmass, but other than red stimms or final toll, it still stuns everything short of bosses. However, very many people do not like when their teammates hold down Smite the whole game.

Exhibit A:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

Smite is in an unhealthy place. It is far too strong, has too much uptime, and makes the game very boring.

[zealous wing]

that was me being dumb about targetting if i did

[ripe obsidian]

It was the same game where Dom stood in a corner in the end event because I pewpewed everything first

[mental mulch]

Well its fine in pubs cause most pubs are headless chickens and cant actually capitalize on the stuns

[swift stag]

4 psuker squad is magic

[mental mulch]

fr

I like my force lightning

[thorn cedar]

"Hello my fellow fre-- I mean associates." - Me on my totally-not-a-Zealot Gunker build

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on what difficulty you're playing. Smite is not common in H40, but H40 players can definitely capitalize.

[quaint lark]

I DO NOT SMITE 24/7

[mental mulch]

I mean, I only use smite myself if we're in deep shit lol

Otherwise I use my staff or sword

[ripe obsidian]

You might not. Some people do.

[mental mulch]

How do you permasmite anyway?

And how is scriers good with smite if it increases your peril?

[verbal thistle]

thats like how psykers does things. higher peril = better

you get DR, damage, cleave, damage

[quaint lark]

And if ya do it right you can stay at 100% peril for quite some time which allows for more damage, and i only use it as a main weapon for bigger areas but if its something smaller and we can chill i dont use it ill use my melee and shot gun which are both good

If anything I threw mine together and someone once said I didnt even do it right as I dont have soul blaze? But like if im running anything soul blaze ima bulid for soul blaze, smite? Ima do everything for smite and make it useful af in the right ways

[ripe obsidian]

I don't really like the idea of "right" versus "wrong" when it comes to builds. There's meta and non-meta. Do what works for you.

[quaint lark]

Mine is non-meta bc I dont like looking up builds, just ruins the fun for me yk?

[ripe obsidian]

So long as it works and you aren't making the experience worse for your teammates. To whatever extent that's possible with Smite.

[strong gulch]

I've done it. I can take off my +1 stam curio now.

[ripe obsidian]

You are freeeeee

[minor timber]

hi friends - I'm thinking about a psyker build that bubbles as much as possible and stays alive while... helping kill a few things here or there. notably, I am quite unskilled and die a lot, so if I have to choose two of utility/dps/survivability, I am probably best dropping dps.
how stupid is it for me to run a build like this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0a408f1-3a9a-4338-b62f-5b9d6698ed92

or, if you have any suggestions, please let me know! ideally something auric-viable or low havoc, but maybe that's asking too much

[ripe obsidian]

Friend, countrycat

Check thee the pins

Look upon my works

I will also say, the build you linked is... not one I would run.

[minor timber]

oooh, thanks, I didn't see the pins

ok! thanks, I am pretty new so feedback is helpful and I am happy to learn

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble Knight is probably closest to what you're looking to do

I do have templates in the guide where I rank some talents and give explanations of the rankings

[minor timber]

ok, I'll read through the guide and ask here (?) if I don't understand a choice. thanks, this is great!

[ripe obsidian]

I am not at my PC to type up feedback on the build you linked, but I can in a bit. And yeah, feel free to ask questions here and/or @ me

[quaint lark]

Ive never had any complaints and have always been there to help, there are a couple of areas where like smite would be helpful but theres just so few spawns sometimes that it feels bleh like the one room where you get ambushed and like it would be cool if smite just hit every enemy in the room and see a light show in the fog, ive had others agree it would be nice but theres just so few enemies it feels bland T~T

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, feedback:

• On Force Greatsword, you typically want a crit chance blessing (shred or riposte). This would replace Momentum. Psyker has a ton of toughness generation already, so you don't really need more.
• I would not use +Carapace on the pistol, as it will excel at killing specials and elites (mostly maniac and flak), but will struggle a lot with carapace enemies even with the damage buff. Make the weapon better at what it's good at.
• If you're using Kinetic Deflection, +Stamina actually gives more block efficiency than +Block Efficiency. It's weird like that.
• Pairing with the crit blessing on the sword, you really want to get Mettle and Perfect Timing on melee builds. The movespeed, toughness gen, and damage are all fantastic.
• Assail will help you deal with enemies more effectively than Smite on a melee build.
• Warp Splitting will give you more benefit than By Crack of Bone. I would only really recommend BCoB on Scrier's Gaze builds.
• Warp Rider is a talent you should pick on basically every Psyker build. The gameplay loop for Psyker is typically to keep peril as high as possible to unlock your various buffs.

@minor timber

The following build is based largely on the one you linked, trying to maintain its identity, but with some improvements (in my opinion).

[strong gulch]

😨

scare

[ripe obsidian]

This build is closer to what I would run. It's 29 points, so still one free for whatever you want to pick. I would maybe do the guaranteed crit of True Aim or the +10% ranged damage node

[quaint lark]

Wtf is that face?!

[ripe obsidian]

I don't hate Smite to the same extent other people do. I know it's strong. But the only time I enjoyed having a Smyker on my team was during Rotten Armor + Encroaching Garden H40s where my team wasn't properly built for armor killing. Smite actually gave us a chance to win. Mostly because it let me stack uncanny soulblaze.

[quaint lark]

Thats why as a smyker I love rotten armor and the fuck ton of blue dudes modifier as it lets smite bounce and hit the horde that would be overwhelming us and we dont worry about the rotten armor

There was the deamonhost rituals to but we had a thammer Zealot for quick boss kills

We had a taunt ogryn for tanking, and a recon lasgun vet for either horde or picking something off easily

Most the rotton armor kills went to me, thammer kept smacking every single boss he saw lol, vet went down 2 times but I covered ogryn while he got him up

At one point I ran away but was fine until I spawned the twins, thankfully Zealot came rushing and just smacked them

[ripe obsidian]

The best Rot + Purple team comp I had was me on Inferno + Shriek, tauntgryn, krak + something vet, and I think a relic sword zealot

[late yew]

What are builds for purgatus?

[ripe obsidian]

I have many a build in the pinned guide

[late yew]

blessings and perks i mean

[ripe obsidian]

Blaze Away always

Warp Nexus usually, or penetrating flame if you really like brittleness.