psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

i believe 150k is possible

[ripe obsidian]

I can faff about with stimm supply scum later. Right now I am losing a fight with insomnia

[tulip kettle]

losing that fight is winning

go sleep

[ripe obsidian]

I think Scum has a much higher skill ceiling that people haven't reached yet. A good Scum is maybe more impactful than a good Psyker. Better tools for most situations. But Psyker has infinite cleave and absurd toughness generation, which is hard to compete with.

[tulip kettle]

gunscum also has bonkers tough gen tbf, sure no infinite cleave but its kinda not needed when you just have the "delete 20 crushers" button

imagine psyker got a talent

"when your toughness breaks, refill 50% of your toughness. 10 second cooldown"

HMMMMM

[ripe obsidian]

Imagine if Vet had a talent that wasn't, "when toughness breaks, get some stamina"

[lone ravine]

Mmm yes when toughness breaks I will get even MORE stamina which I already got when I was hit

[ripe obsidian]

Scum has very good toughness gen. Better than veteran, not as good as psyker. But it's also reliant on making very few mistakes with gaps between them. Not a high ask for most H40 players, admittedly.

Psyker can just facetank the world currently, better than anyone except maybe Ogryn.

I need more experience in H40 before I can judge if Scum is better than Psyker.

They're different enough that it's a hard comparison.

[zealous wing]

4 if you take extra blitz charge

i DONT HAVE KINETIC DELFECTION IM SORRY 😭

i get scared 😭

i dont wanna be nommed

or yeeted

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1gf5lnd/finally_caught_that_line_of_the_bully_ogryn/

[zealous wing]

that is delightful

[summer prairie]

After a smooth run, a perfectly normal conversation

[zealous wing]

ah

yes, perfectly normal

[summer prairie]

(the zealot was very good)

[zealous wing]

im gonne guess here that sparkly was the one who did the least helpful stuff

[tulip kettle]

why is it always

someone on my blocklist

[zealous wing]

same region

[tulip kettle]

i have like, 10 people on my block list

one of them is tanner

and the of the rest, i have seen THREE posted here in the past week being toxic AF

[zealous wing]

i have more but i cant remember who did what and im tempted to unblock everyone then reblock as it pops up

[acoustic jacinth]

Block

[zealous wing]

well untrue, theres a few i remember distictly

[acoustic jacinth]

And then

Push the poxbursters

Into the monkey

[deft stump]

The Arby exploded in rage at the end. IDK what happened.

[zealous wing]

ah, arby

[deft stump]

The other Arby, to be more exact.

[zealous wing]

well ye i know you were on arby

[deft stump]

I'm just quiet panic.

[summer prairie]

he got mad at dying early and the zealot maybe not having relic up for the res or something

[zealous wing]

fuckin knew it

anyway, is there a way to block people without their code

(or sharing a lobby /match with them?)

[ripe obsidian]

Dying? In Darktide?

Unheard of.

Abominable

[zealous wing]

if not, well at least i know the name so if i see it i can block preemptively

[deft stump]

It's H40. Just happens.)

[ripe obsidian]

Unthinkable

[deft stump]

To be fair, Zealot was spamming book as much as possible, so IDK.

[zealous wing]

its the "im the main character" with people like that

if you dont drop everything and help them they get pissed

if you die trying to save them, they get even more pissed

i think they think they are supposed to have plot armour

[icy breach]

Despy scum is… a mood; nothing againts psykers that we played with but my friend who is not even using max meta despy build outdamages them with ease not to mention situations where the impact of what he was doing was visible (rocket buff is soo bs; its the best blitz imo - better than beans)

[zealous wing]

HOT FIIIIIIX

reviewing now

[wispy bay]

Lol, I did rage quit sometimes because of people like that, I just run off from the spawn point instead of rescuing, then left the game a few moments later.

[zealous wing]

Fixed an issue with explosion hit detection hitting players from further away than before.

like such

Fixed an issue where both 100% peril Psykers and Plasma Guns failed to overload and explode.

and such

[deft stump]

Did we just finish before the hotfix?

LMAO.

[wispy bay]

Especially fun when it was 3 people keep trashing then dying.

[summer prairie]

"Fixed an issue with dodge stats from the talent trees not impacting incoming ranged damage." weird wording

[ripe obsidian]

"Fixed an issue with dodge stats from the talent trees not impacting incoming ranged damage."

Does this mean Nimble now affects ranged attacks?

That is my interpretation

[zealous wing]

i presume so

such a small list

no mention of the crashes

or, DCs

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[ripe obsidian]

I agree that Boom Bringer is better than the can of beans right now, and that Scum's impact is more visible than Psyker's. Higher highs.

[granite kelp]

i was using that to machine gun staff basic fire

[deft stump]

I assume the increase dodge works now instead of you getting shot to death still in dodge.

[ripe obsidian]

Neat

[summer prairie]

dodge linger now works for ranged too I guess

[zealous wing]

that caused everyone in the match to stutter so im glad its gone

[granite kelp]

love my unoptimized staff projectile entities so much

[deft stump]

IDK, I just lagged to heck with no staff. Syllo went Recon so... Lul.

Later half of the run was at 15-30 FPS.

[tulip kettle]

my bobulates were disco'd

[quartz barn]

Did they groaner bodyblock also get fixed?

[deft stump]

Pretty sure that was cos of the larger hitbox.

[quartz barn]

Or any other player hitbox issues for that matter

Ye exactly

[deft stump]

I would assume if they made it smaller again, it would be fine.

[jovial juniper]

Maybe anticipation and street smarts are worth something now

[quartz barn]

Getting grabbed around corners was also an experience

[deft stump]

Excuse me, +1 dodge is always god.

RIGHT?

[jovial juniper]

And always optional

Shields have like 2 dodges so an additional one is welcome

But also optional

[hollow summit]

eh do i dump stability or mobility on laspistol

[deft stump]

Stability on fast mark, mobility on heavy mark.

[hollow summit]

great, i have both now

[deft stump]

Because the heavier mark somehow has actual recoil.

[deft stump]

This is why I just take it. Shield dodge is pretty small as well, so you might need two to dodge some things.

[jovial juniper]

Just manage your dodges better

[deft stump]

Come back to me after 300-400 ping games.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-let-the-games-begin-gif-678264811383831729

[atomic flicker]

do you guys prefer duelling blade or force sword when playing inferno staff?

i want to like force sword but i feel so slow using it

[zealous wing]

force

[leaden thunder]

allegedly all dodge lingers now effect range as result o it

[zealous wing]

ill explain in a sec am busy irl

[spice oar]

Psyker is fixed let’s goooo

[undone flint]

mob or cleave dump on mk4 dueling sword?

[tulip kettle]

cleave

[deft stump]

SUS.

[deft stump]

Does this mean I am actually safer from 300 ping shots now?

[zealous wing]

force sword specifically so you can stack uncanny effectively/efficiently

like so

you could technically do it with a dueling sword, but, that takes time and risk that you dont want to be taking

meanwhile, force weapon push attacks are always a weakspot hit, so you can do it much faster, and from 9m away

DS mobility can be nice, but, force sword i've found to be enough mobility to either get by, or i'd have been dead even if i'd had a DS or knife instead

[marble crater]

"Fixed performance issues related to the overheat/peril gain/loss in certain weapons. "

But my trolling

[zealous wing]

you were too slow

you missed your chance

[marble crater]

[zealous wing]

i would also like to point out, that while the game hasnt been open super long...

im not at 77% mem

so they may have indeed fixed the severe issue

[hearty wolf]

I need a game for my flight

Hades or octopath traveller

what we do

[zinc phoenix]

I wish I could turn off the dodge ui. It turns out I don’t care and don’t need it

[zealous wing]

you can

[zinc phoenix]

Where?

[zealous wing]

sec

[zinc phoenix]

Blessed day

[jovial juniper]

Hades 100%

[hearty wolf]

Thankies

[leaden thunder]

should help a bit, it's still like .15 seconds or smthing for psyker

[marble crater]

Haven't played Octopath, but I have heard great things and seems like a nice game for a flight

[deft stump]

Is more a joke when I'm goobering on Ganger.

[hearty wolf]

I took what I got first 😭

But majority seems to think Hades unless I want to fall asleep

[leaden thunder]

I mean the change does apply to all classes (expect ogryn because they have no dodge linger) it's a pretty big buff across the board

[marble crater]

Hades is a great game too, guess it depends on what you are in the mood for, more action or more chill

[deft stump]

Yep. Is a defensive buff. Would help without extremely breaking the game tbh. Makes ping a little easier to work with since I mostly just get gunned down by lag.

[zealous wing]

its weird not being able to murder crushers easy

i had to run to the gungryn to save me

[quartz barn]

Octopath traveller is great, but hades is prob better for a flight

Octo is better experienced over time because those games are really long

Galdera fight is top tier tho

[zealous wing]

ah, a crash

not mem leak

just, full crash

heres hoping it doesnt happen again

ah, cant even rejoin the game i was in

thats bullshit

it was going so well

i hope the three lost puppies dont die horribly

social menu for the win, they arent in a match either

[deft stump]

Servers died from what I heard.

[zealous wing]

just now? or

[deft stump]

Just now.

[summer prairie]

fine here

[zealous wing]

well im glad i clipped my kill feed at least

[cosmic sigil]

Looks like you can't disable the dodge bar without disabling the stam bar

[zealous wing]

incorrect

i have the dodge bar disabled but not stamina, because i use numeric UIs dodge bar

need to learn the timings for its reset

@zinc phoenix can confirm or deny this

[cosmic sigil]

Thx gonna try

[zinc phoenix]

I can?

[void perch]

hey hexis idk if he can

not sure doe...

[lost jackal]

after the update this morning, the peril is working again for me, got the achievement for exploding and killing an elite first try since it got fixed

[void perch]

🤔

did they fix bursters

and dogs

and like the horrible net issues

[quartz barn]

Mfw i did 3 for that penance

[lost jackal]

I got it for killing a dog specifically if thats what you mean

[void perch]

no

not what i mean

[quartz barn]

Everyone had oggy's hitbox

I.e. "bigger" burster radius

[lost jackal]

never noticed that so couldn't say

[deft stump]

Yes, maybe, no.

[quartz barn]

So mutants, trappers and dogs would also hit you more often or from weird angles

Or around corners

[deft stump]

You mean grabbed 5m away.

[quartz barn]

I always dodge alongside them, so havent had that happen

[deft stump]

You can do it by default as well, pretty sure.

[deft stump]

Yes, but oggy sized hitbox+fraction of a finger.

[zinc phoenix]

Nice, finally I can get around to crystalline will gaming

[void perch]

so whoever that was that said that thing

was right

🔥

[zinc phoenix]

Also nice I might be able to do pox maels without walls to protect my team

[quartz barn]

Idk if it was true, but was the most plausible

[zinc phoenix]

IS2G I either brought walls to mael or by the third burster wave everyone but me was dead

[quiet inlet]

shredder pistol go BRRRRR

[void perch]

well this isnt exclusive to bursters

[deft stump]

Because oggy hitboxes but not oggy push radius.

[void perch]

people die anyways in maels

to like

[zinc phoenix]

I was using min charge trauma for pushing

[void perch]

bro

did i mention

[zinc phoenix]

not with me 😂

[void perch]

i was running auric mortis and my entire squad died to groaners

like

???

[zinc phoenix]

Mortis lol

I forgot they added that

[void perch]

i did too

until i was playing with my newb friend

and he queued it

and i was like

"What the fuck are we doing

he said

"I need mats"

i said

"Ok lets auric mael"

games werent very fun because this guy was deadass kinda new

[deft stump]

Cos they get ridiculously tanky later waves if you didn't get good indulgences.

[void perch]

we were on round 4

[deft stump]

Also depends on weapons.

[void perch]

that goes for anything though bruh

[deft stump]

Some weapons do better even through the bulk.

[void perch]

you are telling me things i learned on my first day

[zinc phoenix]

Gotta rock the chubby crusher 9000

Gas powered bulk slaying machine

[void perch]

like yes i know what cleave does

💔

[zinc phoenix]

(It’s always fire stick)

[void perch]

i used fire stick 1 time

ever

with a dedicated build

not fun

meleeker >>>

[deft stump]

Thing is oggy hitboxes without clear while horded=painful.

[modest trellis]

firestick? you mean force greatsword with blazing spirit?

[deft stump]

Can't dodge through gaps, can't dodge through them like actual oggies.

[void perch]

well its not like we had a fucking

horde

it was mortis bro

💀

[deft stump]

Every wave is a horde though?

[zinc phoenix]

Slapping a wall in front of someone just before the trapper net gets them 👌

Also ngl I love putting wall in every doorway behind me

[void perch]

do you think we were sitting there

not clearing

[zinc phoenix]

I kill so many specials that way

[void perch]

sometimes maybe its just skill issue karien

[zinc phoenix]

Fatshark be like “ho ho ho here is ass trapper” but not today because wallgaming

[deft stump]

You did say 3 of them died to poxxers.

[candid temple]

just use mods

[void perch]

...yea

[zinc phoenix]

Mod users when update: 💀

[quartz barn]

Karien is too good, which makes accepting skill issues from others harder

[deft stump]

That usually means horded and backstabbed to death.

[void perch]

i see

[void perch]

idk

atleast 1 i know has been downed to a 1v1 groaner

before

so

well ill just say this

if i were to bet on it

i would bet

they did not die to a non easily avoidable situation.

[deft stump]

Shrugs. I don't think there's that many with my lvls of lag but it's pretty easy to get hit when lagging even when dodging. Then again is giving them the value of doubt or something.

[void perch]

i guess bro

[zinc phoenix]

Solution is clear: nucular meeesels

[zealous wing]

is dom gamin

[tulip kettle]

just a lil game before i pass out

as a treat

[mighty shuttle]

I feel like the walls for psyker is underrated zone of control

Been playing with it after I saw a psyker put them to great effect use wise

Though is Enervating Threshold bugged?

I had countless crushers and maulers walk through the wall with zero issues

Wait, I'm reading it again

Maulers and Crushers aren't specialists right?

[marble crater]

Pass out from what?

[tulip kettle]

being awake for 36 hours or so

[wispy bay]

Just take a monster then keep going.

[marble crater]

Understandable

[tulip kettle]

i have had 3 today

no more

[ripe obsidian]

Seems very strong

[ripe obsidian]

Frabjous day

Oh

Unfrabjous

[ripe obsidian]

I guess Scum players will get to enjoy being OP for another few weeks before the hammer comes down. I would honestly love to see their internal telemetry/stats about winrates, damage taken, etc.

[leaden thunder]

I mean we all get to spend the holidays being op

well

cept ogryn but they are fine

[nocturne dust]

just be like me and want to sleep, thereby having it elude you

[ripe obsidian]

Does this affect all classes? I assumed it was only classes with dodge length increases. Oh, wait, we have Anticipation

[ripe obsidian]

Insomnia pals

[leaden thunder]

all classes have dodge linger cept ogryn it's like they just gave them all an extra .2 seconds of ranged invuln on dodges

used to just apply to melee

[nocturne dust]

Blessed anticipation buffs

[thorn cedar]

yea this is a universal ranged dodge buff

linger time for melee now applies to ranged

[ripe obsidian]

That seems dumb.

[thorn cedar]

kinda is

and the entire change comes from a misunderstanding really lmao

[leaden thunder]

I assume that's why they are gonna walk it back

[thorn cedar]

yea

[leaden thunder]

but it's gonna get wierd to spend that long with it

[thorn cedar]

just dont dodge

ez

[ripe obsidian]

I wish Fatshark better understood their own game

[thorn cedar]

nah that's not really the issue

people misunderstood what Nimble does for you and griped it was bugged, fatshark acquiesed to their poor understanding and now here we are

[ripe obsidian]

It is an issue

[thorn cedar]

they should have just held firm

[summer prairie]

There's no reason dodge linger shouldn't apply to both melee and ranged

[thorn cedar]

but the proper solution would have been informing normies of the differences between melee and ranged dodge functions, which lol

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so let me make sure I am understanding everything:

• Nimble increases dodge time and distance
• This only applies to melee, which means people got frustrated
• Fatshark, instead of clarifying the functionality, changed it with no playtesting
• Dodging is now too strong because of significantly more ranged immunity

[summer prairie]

no

it's not too strong

you may not even notice it

[ripe obsidian]

I am quoting Fatshark here

[summer prairie]

What, where

[ripe obsidian]

"has resulted in unintended consequences that make dodging too effective"

In the patch notes

Fatshark is saying dodging is too strong now

[summer prairie]

It's not unintended

that makes no sense

[ripe obsidian]

I am quoting them verbatim

[summer prairie]

i know

I played a bunch today and barely noticed the change

[ripe obsidian]

This feels like a change that needed more testing, either way. I am not entirely sure I know what dodge linger time is, tbh.

[ripe obsidian]

Is maybe more significant when using Nimble or summat, especially with 0.6 second dodge recovery time.

I have not played today, so I know nuffin

[summer prairie]

I was playing nimble scum, but not like ranged was a problem for scum when you are dodging/sliding or autododging

[ripe obsidian]

Fair enough

What is linger time? Just time spent where you count as dodging after pressing the button?

[thorn cedar]

The result here is unintended.

[summer prairie]

how much longer you count as dodging after the actual dodge duration has ended

[thorn cedar]

I don't think it's inherently bad on its face, I'm just not a fan of why it's happened lol. Could even be a good change in the long run.

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pn7xsn/so_this_a_thing_now_after_this_hotfix_lol/

[ripe obsidian]

Weird. Why is this a mechanic?

[summer prairie]

ok yeah that seems a bit too good

[thorn cedar]

This yeah, it normalizes the effectiveness of dodging across weapon spectrums.

[summer prairie]

didn't realize it works even when you've exhausted dodges

[thorn cedar]

You can think of linger as your actual iframes.

[ripe obsidian]

On every class except Ogryn

[ripe obsidian]

So if a dodge is, say, 0.5 seconds of iframes, linger is a universal... 0.3 seconds tacked onto the end or something?

Ah, Kuli says it is 0.2 seconds for Psyker.

And it appears to be effective even with exhausted dodges. So Scum, in this case, gets 0.25 or 0.375 seconds (with Nimble for the latter) of immunity against non-AoE attacks when dodging ends.

[thorn cedar]

think of how fucken grating it would be for players if taking a thammer vs. a cknife meant your dodges had significantly different tempos when it came to dodging a crusher overhead. it would not be fun nor user friendly when it comes to learning muscle memory

[ripe obsidian]

This makes sense.

[thorn cedar]

there is still a benefit to larger dodge distances but you wont get ratfucked for taking a weapon with 'weak' dodges

[summer prairie]

Smooth gameplay here https://streamable.com/2y1dg3

ignore the debug hitboxes

[ripe obsidian]

As payment for your explanation, I offer one (1) picture of the cat asleep on my foot

[thorn cedar]

perfectly balanced

[ripe obsidian]

This is very stupid.

[thorn cedar]

was this with anticipation?

probably doesnt even matter

[summer prairie]

Yes but probably doesn't matter

[thorn cedar]

and youre using one of the worst dodge weapons in the game

[ripe obsidian]

Inb4 review bombing once they patch it out.

[summer prairie]

not sure if this linger is also now applied after autododges from e.g. EE

[thorn cedar]

presumably not

[mighty cipher]

What in the Sam fuck did I just wake up to?

[zealous wing]

now everyone is immortal, remove your gunner res

(but dont)

[ripe obsidian]

I'll remove your gunner res. >:(

[zealous wing]

only if you kill the gunners for me

jk i dont use gunner res

[ripe obsidian]

I will kill all things that I can so no one else gets gold numbers on the scoreboard

[zealous wing]

good luck

[ripe obsidian]

I often succeed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[spice oar]

Wait so we went from not blowing up

And not dodging anything

To dodging everything?

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[modest trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-im-sorry-little-one-gif-12454554

Just played 3 games of smyker for the penances

[quaint lark]

PRAISE BE THE OMNISSIAH FOR A SMYKER HAS BEEN BORN

[modest trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-dark-side-anakin-skywalker-darth-vader-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-25702979

It felt...good

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-journey-to-dark-side-evil-luke-skywalker-emperor-gif-19918388

And we offer cookies

[zealous wing]

no, i offer the cookies

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cookies-palpatine-star-wars-minecraft-food-gif-20804611

[zealous wing]

and cookies are given for good deeds

[summer prairie]

Very intuitive

[quaint lark]

Join us @modest trellis its not as bad as everyone says

[zealous wing]

crusher clips psykers arm
psyker: "damn, that hurt, ill just bleed out now i guess"

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbinhotel-angeldust-charlie-alastor-sirpentious-gif-20503833

[jovial juniper]

Getting hit on the edges of the toe nail and fucking dying because

[quaint lark]

Omg ik that feeling i ran my foot into a car jack that was under a car the other day and

Hurt like a motherkarker

[zealous wing]

skissue

or karmic justice

you probably killed a moth

[deft stump]

So this is why Maulers are easier to not get overheaded by.

[quaint lark]

Why is Zealot chat talking about selling Crack and stroking themselves?!

[zealous wing]

because that is zealot chat

[quaint lark]

sighs

[ripe obsidian]

Your feet are your weak point.

Just like Achilles.

[deft stump]

Which is funny. But explains alot.

[deft stump]

You went into that nightmare by yourself.

[quaint lark]

Yes but im a furry, this is a Warhammer server I expect decency lol

[zealous wing]

lmfao

[modest perch]

[zealous wing]

you should fucking know

theres always ONE channel

always that ONE

the one thats entirely uncontrollable

as a furry, you should have this seeped into your brain by now

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot chat is a wretched place. Wear protection when going there.

[quaint lark]

I have but this is Warhammer!

I always wear protection

...that sounded much better in my head

[zealous wing]

it never sounds better

[ripe obsidian]

I meant for it to sound dubious

[zealous wing]

did you sleep at all?

[quaint lark]

I just woke up Id say 3 hours ago

Still got morning problems but come on zealot chat lol

[ripe obsidian]

Me? A few hours. I had to wake up for work.

[zealous wing]

at least you got some rest then

[ripe obsidian]

So maybe 4 hours? Less?

[zealous wing]

good luck on the day

[quaint lark]

And their now selling more crack...

[ripe obsidian]

It is a work from home day

So not too bad

[ripe obsidian]

Sometime later, do you want to suffer in Havoc as I try non-Inferno builds? Currently my list is Blazing Shriek Trauma, Bubble Knight, Surge Surge, stimm supply Scum if we get blight, and maybe Arby.

[graceful arch]

They are shitposting it's just standard routine.

[zealous wing]

perhaps

depends on what later is

[austere warren]

The other class chats pride themselves on the delusion that they don't have an unhinged element. Then it's just some blatantly foul or petty shit that breaks off over some whatever nonsense.

[zealous wing]

if its like, 7 to 8 hours from now, probably

[quaint lark]

Smite in a nutshell

[austere warren]

Smite the game?

:V

[wraith sphinx]

smite EVERYTHING 😈

[ripe obsidian]

A nebulous concept of a time somewhat in the future

[quaint lark]

SMYKERS UNITE

[austere warren]

Pointless smite vitriol is at least a more universal complaint for darktide period.

[quaint lark]

No smite in darktide

Plus its fun to aggro the anti smykers hehehe~

[austere warren]

Smite removed: babies satisfied.

[wraith sphinx]

Depending on whom you ask, psyker only has two blitzes, setting it apart from the other classes

[ripe obsidian]

Smite vitriol is pointless because smite, being lightning, does not have a point. It doesn't have a blade, either!

[quaint lark]

Exactly

[austere warren]

Hohohohohehehehehehehahahahaha.

[wraith sphinx]

It does have an abstract point though. Kinda

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26735574

[deft stump]

Passive damage or homing daggers.

[ripe obsidian]

I continue to say that Smite is the strongest Psyker blitz in almost everything except Final Toll. Smite is also boring to play and play with.

[wraith sphinx]

Behold, Darktide's strongest smyker

[austere warren]

I like smite but nowhere as much as I like assail. I just get to do more that i want to do. Brain burst has its time with me when I'm in the mood for it.

[wraith sphinx]

Same, I don't believe smite is bad as much as it's generally boring to use. One exception to me being pairing it with voidstrike

[austere warren]

I like smite for builds where I'm just being excessively redundant with anti-horde options of any kind.

[wraith sphinx]

Assail's flexibility just can't be beat for me. Team struggling with hordeclear? Pull out assail, done. Team getting perforated by gunners and shooters? Flick some shards their way, no problem.

[austere warren]

So if i smite i smite. But a smite for me is a set up for voids.

[ripe obsidian]

I have never tried Smite + Voidstrike

[austere warren]

Or fire or whatever the fuck else I'm doing. It's rare that i just sit there and shut down a whole room unless it's actually needed. Unironically turning off the enemy for a second while jackasses catch their breath before letting them go.

Everyone hates smite until i literally use it as a failsafe against my own teammates getting themselves nearly killed thinking they're that good.

❤️

[thorn cedar]

everyone hates opium until they need surgery type shiit

[wraith sphinx]

It's a part of my WIP can opener build, which I think I've posted about but haven't recommended otherwise because it's clearly offmeta. The basic idea is that if enemies are neatly packed together in an almost column, you let RMB void rip. If getting spread out, surrounded, or if a crusher clown car is getting dangerously close, smite's stagger lets you reposition easily and quickly (lmb smite is also arguably the safest tool for disposing of poxbursters)

[leaden thunder]

a smyker =/= using smite properly

[zealous wing]

smykers are permasmiters

[leaden thunder]

a smyker is bad, using smite propelry is very good

[ripe obsidian]

Off-meta builds can go in the bonanza too

[austere warren]

It's funny

Wait

Strike is...ball right?

Blast is circle

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

Bowling ball staff

[austere warren]

Yeah okay i meant blast for the circle. Strike is fine but i haven't done it since the changes so idk

[zealous wing]

six im going to bed now, depending on when your work ends, we could do shenanigans before you sleep/rest, most likely

ill probably be up within 7hrs

[wraith sphinx]

I know I've shitposted about smite being mid here before, but I've actually never encountered a pub team that complained about having a smyker onboard. I've blocked a shithead smyker last week, but that was because he was being a shithead that didn't watch where he was going, and last year I encountered a guy named BEHEAD-PSYKERS who just noted he was 5 seconds away from leaving the lobby when he saw me having smite equipped, but otherwise did not say or do anything untoward. In fact, I've encountered more people complaining about smite psykers not running permasmite builds instead.

[wraith sphinx]

If I remember, I'll touch up my gameslantern build some more and get back to you.

[ripe obsidian]

Sleep well, oh nocturnal prince.

[zealous wing]

its 8pm

[ripe obsidian]

Oh yeah.

Timezones.

[zealous wing]

i was gonna say the sun is down but, its winter

sun rises around like, 10am and sets around 1pm about this time of year

[wraith sphinx]

1 pm? do you live up in the north?

[zealous wing]

norway

[wraith sphinx]

ah makes sense

[austere warren]

I just assume most complaining about smite are just straight up crybabies. I get the arguments for why it's annoying but uh...I can't internalize that as a problem for me. Even if some smite psyker is going permastun or whatever, my experience isn't sullied by someone just making the run not as taxing as it could have been. There's just more people trying to play for other's approval which is beyond corny to me. If i want to use a tool I'm going to use it and understand it as best i can and psyker has a lot of fun little nuances even for their simpler more immediately efficient builds. There's too many little and big details for me to not spend time delving in and enjoying myself with probably one of the most dynamic classes in the entire game with builds within builds that have their own flare and efficiency at higher levels.

I shrimply cannot be bothered to hate free water in a desert is my entire thinking.

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds honestly wonderful

[ripe obsidian]

Smite bores me for the same reason Auric usually bores me: no challenge. I get distracted and end up watching videos or something while autopiloting my way through the game.

[austere warren]

I'll definitely agree in that it's the least interesting to really understand execution wise.

Which is saying something imo because bb is just

I almost never see it unless it's flayer doing it

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah, I struggle to internalize it as well. Sure, a few times I've played with some astoundingly bad smykers who would spend their entire uptime smiting a karnak twins' shield, fully assured it was doing anything at all, and it made me feel a little dead inside, but guess what - that was more of a Havoc issue than anything else. Once I stopped playing Havoc, I stopped encountering those kinds of players

[ripe obsidian]

I use BB pretty often in H40. Even more with all the Scum running around.

Enough that I am considering swapping to Kinetic Resonance.

[wraith sphinx]

Not to say auric doesn't have permasmite smykers, but it doesn't have nearly the same kind of impact there anyways.

[austere warren]

I haven't made many builds with bb being a significant player. What are you doing with yours?

[wraith sphinx]

my main and pretty much only bb build is a melee psyker lol

[austere warren]

Oh well uh...that um.

Yeah i got nothing there. This is why i care to understand my tools as intimately as i can lmao. I figured that shit out with smite ages ago when it first came out lmao.

I like bb with force weapon builds.

Thematically.

And i think ep?

[ripe obsidian]

Killing anything dangerous at range that hasn't been dealt with. Snipers, trappers, gunners, etc. I do it when the horde is controlled, whether by death or staggered by shriek.

[wraith sphinx]

Right? I suppose the right question to ask here would be "when to blame the tool and when to blame the player"

[ripe obsidian]

Or using BB+PC to deal with walls of gunners

Between active BB and KF, BB has done ~20% of my total damage in my last few H40 successes

[austere warren]

I meant more so the setup you do for yours and less so the application because i totally get that part. Usually for me though, my bb builds had bb as an aside due to point spreading with little to no use or bb builds that i doubt exist the same ways where bb can pump most things quickly while force weapons do the rest.

[wraith sphinx]

There's a niche BB use case for me on ventilation purge or in a dense cover area where aiming assail shards is too janky to just cleanly outcompete using BB instead but that's about it

[tranquil haven]

Smite is rlly good on rotten armor

[wraith sphinx]

oh and the rare freak case of snipers, gunners etc setting up and opening fire from 100 fucking meters away

[modest trellis]

Fr snipers sometime be camping sightlines that even R6 siege nerds wouldn't find

Genuinely aiming through 3 windows and 2 fences

[leaden thunder]

I got fucking air shot by one earlier

[ripe obsidian]

What do you mean by setup? I am not sure I understand

[austere warren]

Builds. My left side psyker brain isn't as developed for more conscious builds since i dont use it as much anymore.

[ripe obsidian]

Ahhhh

[austere warren]

I think the last time i ever made a bb build was.

Idk

[modest trellis]

Tbh I usually find a made build, switch a couple nodes which are obviously wrong and roll with it

[ripe obsidian]

It's just my inferno shriek build in the build guide. But I am debating dropping Quietude or Warp Ghost for Kinetic Resonance

[austere warren]

Whatever the patch was that came immediately after havoc got added.

Was that unlocked and unloaded?

[wraith sphinx]

do you know that opaque shattered window in the new map? The one opposite to one of the healer stations?

Yeah all enemies can see and shoot through it no problem

folks that rush to that medicae station and heal usually get surprised by a sniper laser shining through a piece of 100% opaque broken glass and get slimed

[austere warren]

I threaded a helbore shot to kill a shotgunner behind those little front ballistic shield enplacements. Felt good.

I should actually learn how to do captures better and record my shenanigans for myself.

[wraith sphinx]

Grim protocols, maybe? Unlocked and loaded was before havoc. It added commisar Dukane and rolling steel

[austere warren]

I really do just whip out cool shit for no reason often.

[modest perch]

boggles my mind when ppl say they havent seen snipers shoot through fences/hard cover etc

[austere warren]

I assume they'll always fire through whatever and i just follow their laser and shoot back if possible.

[modest perch]

lotta fences cant be shot through

[austere warren]

Ever since a sniper finally killed me from under those stairs in uh.

Fuck forgot the map name.

[wraith sphinx]

I swear some world objects have fucked up model meshes, too. They catch your shots at parts they aren't supposed to

[austere warren]

But that fucker shot me like between the teensiest fucking gap underneath some stairs and a fucking entire fenced platform.

And launched my ragdoll.

Wasn't mad but I died because i really thought it wouldn't touch me. Nope.

[wraith sphinx]

is it those metal drainage stairs? they're the worst lmao

prolly the main reason I hate using voidblast, those teeny holes can just straight up swallow your whole targeting reticle

[austere warren]

Yes. There's a mission that starts with them where you gotta run up the atairs or go through the underside to get to the next area.

[wraith sphinx]

I think I know which. It's those that lead into the Enforcer station?

[ripe obsidian]

Last night I had a sniper bully me as I was being pulled by a trapper.

Guy shot me in midair.

[austere warren]

Something dude i can't remember these names because they got all these hab 57628 whatever names lol

[wraith sphinx]

The missions where rejects complain about the air being utterly fucking unbreathable even for Tertium's standards

[austere warren]

Not the one where they run through the pipes first

[wraith sphinx]

real lol, darktide's weakest aspect fr

[austere warren]

Err tjnnels.

[austere warren]

Oh yeah 100% Aceotios Scrotium Hab Unit 4682/6769.

Right...

Yeah i remember that one. 🙃

[wraith sphinx]

Lore accuracy, but at what cost...

[austere warren]

Don't mind me. Just revving up my Cuntrail MK MCXVII Super Bowl Lascannon on the Edge of Günn.

[wraith sphinx]

Hive Appendix 43270-Sigma is showing Omicron-level improvements in fanum-taxation rates, praise the Omnissiah

[modest trellis]

What's crazier is that there are maps with actually good names

Like Ascension Riser

Or Han Dreyko

But other ones are just rhwktngfhwj #462992

[austere warren]

Yeah see that's a bid for chaos for me.

Return to form: Soulripper Gun.

Boom. Easy to understand.

[wraith sphinx]

Consignment yard too, but I remember that map only because it has that awesome as fuck horn announcing the scripted monster arrival

Rolling Steel and No Man's Land, too. Nothing special but actually stands out. Maybe that's why people rag on them so much, because they can actually remember how they're called?

[austere warren]

What you got there?

Oh my Village Grinder Cannon.

What does it do?

[hollow stirrup]

question for yall

what's this forbidden sauce infinite cleave build I keep hearing people talk about

[austere warren]

Chaos naming conventions > imperium.

Simpler names now

[hollow stirrup]

i'm scared to ask

lol

[ripe obsidian]

Questions are illegal

[hollow stirrup]

true

executed

[leaden thunder]

the fire staff

it's just that

that's it

[ripe obsidian]

Pick Inferno or Voidblast > have infinite cleave > win

[hollow stirrup]

oh ic

[tacit stump]

inferno gets nuked

[hollow stirrup]

I assume you build around that?

or does it just do all the heavy lifting lol

[ripe obsidian]

Those two weapons just have infinite cleave by default. It's goofy

[hollow stirrup]

gyat

[ripe obsidian]

Means you can horde clear better than anyone else with much less effort.

[leaden thunder]

voidblast is a bit more limited with it,

[hollow stirrup]

I don't play psyker i'm (quite literally) asking for a friend lol

[tacit stump]

voidblast is mini conflag

[ripe obsidian]

I have 50+ psyker builds in the pinned guide if you want them

[hollow stirrup]

oh ty

I didn't realize that was your doing

I assume that has fire staff builds

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it was me. I still need to finish parts of it

And yes, there should be multiple builds for every staff, as well as templates so people can make their own builds

[hollow stirrup]

I assume inferno + venting shriek is the build yeah

or one of the ones I wanna be looking at

[modest trellis]

And left keystone

You basically have permanent uptime on inferno

[ripe obsidian]

That is what I recommend

[hollow stirrup]

ty

❤️

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help

Let me know about gaps or issues with the guide and I will fix it

[hollow stirrup]

no worries

I know 0 about psyker

this is for my friend lol

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker is very strong right now. Probably the strongest class, but scum might be better.

[hollow stirrup]

[ripe obsidian]

However, scum and Psyker are different enough that a direct comparison is not easy

[hollow stirrup]

ya

[strong gulch]

Like Six said, inferno and voidBLAST have infinite cleave. The only other thing I can thinks of is force sword with uncanny + inferno.

Uncanny strikes affects DoTs and can be applied up to 9m away on a force sword.

[hollow stirrup]

ty

[wraith sphinx]

with regards to strictly DPS or in general?

[hollow stirrup]

do yall have suggestions for perks/blessings for the force sword with the inferno staff?

[austere warren]

What force sword are you using?

[hollow stirrup]

uhhhh the not two handed one

idk if that helps lol

[austere warren]

Obscuras, Deimos or Illsi?

[hollow stirrup]

obscuras atm but idk if that or deimos is better

or "better"

[wraith sphinx]

Uncanny strike + slaughterer is the safest most reliable combo

[ripe obsidian]

General impact on the game state. Psyker has more utility, in regards to stuff like bubble or general crowd control, but Scum has comparable damage output and better tools for dealing with priority threats. Psyker is, in my experience, consistently strong across a match. Scum is consistently strong as well, but tends to have more big moments, higher highs, that result in a larger overall impact.

[wraith sphinx]

and uhh flak/maniacs?

[ripe obsidian]

Maniac + Carapace, Uncanny + Deflector/Superiority imo

[hollow stirrup]

ty ty

[wraith sphinx]

deflector/superiority works too but uncanny is the strongest must have basically

I haven't used deflector in over a year by this point lol

[ripe obsidian]

Obscurus is the strongest force sword. Amazing single target, passable horde clear. It is, however, harder to execute and not as safe as Deimos. Deimos's H2 will knock over crushers and captains on a headshot. Obscurus has better time to kill, but if you mess up you're more likely to die for your mistake.

[strong gulch]

Force sword with inferno vs force sword as a main weapon are build a little differently.

and yes obscurus is the best all rounder

but deimos is not too far behind

[hollow stirrup]

gotcha, ty

[strong gulch]

but also obscurus is more fiddly and deimos is more simple with more CC

[hollow stirrup]

very helpful folks here

love it

[ripe obsidian]

We try

[quiet inlet]

mmm fiddly

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/the-devil-went-down-to-georgia-gif-14505229343086323699

[marble crater]

Hi

[strong gulch]

Hi

[strong gulch]

I am fiddly.

[wraith sphinx]

yar har fiddle de dee

[marble crater]

Something pirates

[ripe obsidian]

If you win you get this fiddle made of gold

But if you lose, the black ships get your soul

[tame cipher]

noob question I know
but does the -80% passive quelling mean that passive quelling goes down by 80% so does less or that passive quelling causes 80% more quelling to be removed

[verbal thistle]

Passive quelling does down 80% slower

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-devil-futurama-smile-violin-gif-14400778

[tame cipher]

alright thx

[iron echo]

I'm sorry, is it me, or dueling sword on melee psyker just stop do damage on Auric after patch? Because I am struggling to kill specialists, like gunners, shotgunners and etc, several days ago it was different

[ripe obsidian]

No changes were made to the Dueling Sword that I am aware of

[strong gulch]

I know there was a change to either shivs or hitboxes. I can't remember exactly. Maybe that has had unintended impacts.

There has also been more serve instability that could be causing no hit reg.

Just tossing ideas out.

[modest perch]

might be the hitboxes if theyre still broken

[strong gulch]

But as far as I know, there was no direct change to DS in the past few days. I also haven't been play much DS this week.

[iron echo]

okay, maybe it is a problem on my side, thank for answers

[zealous thistle]

What are some good ranged options for a primarily melee FGS Scrier's Gaze psyker?

[ripe obsidian]

Recon Lasgun is the most popular

Heavy Laspistol is also good

Voidstrike if you want a challenge

Bolt Pistol is fine

Vraks Infantry Autogun has high damage output

[zealous thistle]

Thanks!

[quartz barn]

really now

[wraith sphinx]

worth because that frame goes very hard

[mighty shuttle]

So when it comes to force greatsword 8, what do you guys usually do combo wise to kill ragers, is it just nonstop top swing into head stab?

Or do you find you can stagger with sweeps? I have mixed results on that front.

[strong gulch]

If it's just one, do a PA followed by a heavy to get the big stab.

[mighty shuttle]

I mean a big swarm of em

[strong gulch]

If it's a group, you might have to do a special to stagger then heavy. Using assail to stagger too.

[mighty shuttle]

I was changing between weapons from relic blade to go psyker with FGS and had a high intensity game

[strong gulch]

But if it's like 50. Use gun and assail.

[mighty shuttle]

"Stressful warmup" as I called it where I was very much so clumsy sometimes.

sharing

So definitely was clumsy and but still survived trying to chip away at the bulwark or maulers, while remembering the weapon tempo and distances lmao. I really need to get a mod one of those days to spawn an encounter in arena so I can practice dealing with huge mix of armor like that

[thorn cedar]

warp unbound wouldve been a big help

more push attacks

[mighty shuttle]

Remind me of warp unbound?

[thorn cedar]

you cant explode for 10s after scriers runs out

so you can just do whatever you want at 100%

[mighty shuttle]

Oh I see, yeah though push attacks uses stamina, no?

[thorn cedar]

i think you do have warp unbound actually, you just werent using it

[grizzled bronze]

what diff are you plying in that video

[thorn cedar]

looks like auric

[mighty shuttle]

Auric maelstorm melee no ammo modifier

[thorn cedar]

the force swords use peril for the push attack

[mighty shuttle]

Ah I thought it only does it to a certain threshold

[grizzled bronze]

and are you rolling the traditional gaze with disrupt?

[thorn cedar]

nah you can kill yourself with a push attack

[grizzled bronze]

I am new to taking psyker seriously and trying to figure out how to not be bad in aurics

[mighty shuttle]

And yes, I was just being more conservative because I didn't want to accidentally have it run out and make myself explode

Since I was still reeling from a bugfix that makes me explode lot more often haha

[thorn cedar]

yea i dont run it personally

but thats because i am a filthy user of mind in motion

so my point goes there

[mighty shuttle]

Generally depends on your build I think

Since some are easier than others to form bad habits from

[strong gulch]

PA on force melee generate peril when they connect with an enemy. It's one of the reasons why most people prefer FGS6 over FGS8. The big stab is not gated behind a peril generator on FGS6.

Please note the different between a push and a PA (push attack).

FGS6 is being used in that vid btw.

[mighty shuttle]

And what is the value of PA as opposed to pushes

[strong gulch]

PA on force melees can push crushers out of their overheads from up to 9m away.

[mighty shuttle]

Makes sense! I know there was a difference but it was fickle for me to go "Which part of this is the push and which part is the attack."

I admit I'm not very 'educated' in Darktide sometimes with what actually does what, it's mostly just lot of trial and erroring and intuition or panic that I get through various auric situations haha.

[strong gulch]

On force swords that have uncanny strikes, you can stack uncanny from force sword PAs to boost DoTs because force melee PA are always weakspots.

[sand kettle]

Does anyone have a good strategy to complete the "power up" penance on psyker since the rework?

[mighty shuttle]

As opposed to having very specific idea or approaches on how to deal with situations, obviously in that clip I got through it decently!

At least I think I did, again, sloppy stuff and more reactive than anything but I didn't get knocked down for it.

[strong gulch]

You did make it through and that's what counts.

Also note that you were only getting 1 bar of the FGS special because it's wither 0, 1, or 2. No inbewteens.

[strong gulch]

If KF counts, then it's more or less just play the game.

[mighty shuttle]

Aye I was more or less going "One bar? Good enough I just want to stagger as much of them as I can"

Since I didn't want to play greedy

Or knock down poxbursters that I might be hearing in their crowds

[strong gulch]

If you really want to farm for it. Do EP BB. Inferno works best with it. There is an EP BB build in the build bonanza in the pins. Should be in other builds.

[mighty shuttle]

Though actually

Does the bars stagger differently

Like does 2 stagger way more than 1 would?

I know it's more damaging, but not sure if that changes the stagger value with it

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

Hold on

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/622281b0c035959d2a1e3e9108712515672d26f9/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L801

[strong gulch]

Six with the code.

[ripe obsidian]

power_distribution = {
attack = 100,
impact = 15,
},

overrides = {
{
"power_distribution",
"attack",
450,
},
{
"power_distribution",
"impact",
20,
},

overrides = {
{
"power_distribution",
"attack",
850,
},
{
"power_distribution",
"impact",
40,
},

[mighty cipher]

Six at it again using the source-code source

[strong gulch]

From messing around in the meatgrinder, 2 bars on FGS special seems to have a significantly stronger stagger than 1 or 0 bars.

I see. 15, 20, 40.

[sand kettle]

Thanks y'all

[strong gulch]

seems right with what I was experiencing

[mighty shuttle]

Got it!

[ripe obsidian]

Yup. 2 bars should be twice the base stagger as 1 bar

[mighty shuttle]

Alright, I think I'll finally do something I never could be arsed to do for years now DT despite me generally enjoying challenges/going into harder difficulties consistently.

Get a mod

What is the specific mod that allows you to go into meatgrinder and spawn a mixed swarm of enemies or monstrosities to duel and practice?

[ripe obsidian]

Creature Spawner

[mighty shuttle]

Do I use nexus mod manager is it all manual?

[strong gulch]

Up to you.

There are other mods that couple with creature spawner to make testing easier.

[mighty shuttle]

Looks like mod loader needs to be manual?

Darktide Mod Loader mod on DT that is

[strong gulch]

I think that's the one that needs to be put in the actual game files. There's directions on what to do.

I do everything manually, so IDK about vortex.

[quartz barn]

loader goes in the darktide folder

everything else goes into the mods folder that shows up in the darktide folder after installing the loader

[iron flame]

If i want to play melee psyker but with a staff instead of gun, what's the best staff i can use that can still shine without much warp focused talents

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike in Auric and below imo. Treat it like a worse plasma gun

It plays well with right-side talents

[iron flame]

Sounds good. I don't play havoc anyway

[mighty shuttle]

Oh no

I think I fucked up mod

I can't connect, get error 1005

Oh now it let me in

[mighty shuttle]

Why does voidstrike not work well in havoc?

Huh, the creature spawner crashed my game lmao with a pox burster

Just as John Darktide intended

[plucky flax]

Low damage low cleave.

[strong gulch]

slow charge up

[ripe obsidian]

Several reasons.

• Long charge time - Voidstrike takes longer to charge than Voidblast for much less impact
• Low cleave - base cleave of 10, and havoc enemies have increased hitmass. A Voidstrike RMB can cleave like 2-3 basic enemies.
• Bad LMB scaling - EK staff has bonus crit chance and damage for LMB, Voidstrike has the same LMB damage profile, minus the crit
• Low overall damage - struggles to kill elites and specials
• Slow projectile - high priority targets move out of your shot

[strong gulch]

crosshair remap not working

sad

[lone ravine]

wait voidstrike doesnt have inf cleave?

[ripe obsidian]

No.

It has 10 cleave.

[leaden thunder]

now that would be funny

[ripe obsidian]

A basic poxwalker on H40 has like 2.5 hitmass or something

[lone ravine]

i genuinely thought it had inf cleave since i havent seen it since like malice 😭

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, a poxwalker in H40 has... 4.05 hitmass

So Voidstrike hits 3 poxwalkers.

[mighty shuttle]

That's too generous

I can do 1.5 poxwalker

[iron flame]

Hmmm what about LMB surge then ?

[mighty shuttle]

Also, creature spawner seems little bit fucky, it only spawns shield ogryns stuck in pillars or out of bound

And not spawning the trials

[iron flame]

Like melee psyker with LMB surge to snipes those bloody blue boys for disrupt destiny stack without relying on the headshot talent

just trying to find way to keep up that disrupt destiny without emptying my pistol so i figured some kind of staff

[mighty shuttle]

What blitz do you use

Because assail is amazing at that

[iron flame]

Ohhh headpopper

[strong gulch]

Since burster explosion radius was messed with I wouldn't be surprised if that was the issue, but I just spawned some in and didn't have problems. If you have invulnerability off so you can take lethal damage and no key bind to res yourself, the game doesn't like that; or blasting yourself out of the arena.

[mighty shuttle]

So I enter the psychaneium or however you spell it as I can never sincerely remember.

I try to spawn hard melee trial

Nothing is spawning unlike last time which is weird

oh wait I see the issue

[trim wren]

How do I max out melee attack speed on psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Pick Lightning Speed

[mighty shuttle]

Man, I dunno why but the combat trials are absolutely oppressive, like I've kited a lot before but it feels like they move weirdly fast, and I suppose it being a wide ass arena contributes to that.

[strong gulch]

Also ensure finesse is not bumped on melee.

[ripe obsidian]

It is because the AI changes when you are alone.

[mighty shuttle]

Just feels like I never have opportunity to regen stamina, so this is interesting.

[ripe obsidian]

The enemies will engage in more flanking behavior

[mighty shuttle]

Damn

[ripe obsidian]

It's not really accurate to a normal match for that reason. Is harder

[strong gulch]

Also latency affects dodges and what not. You have non in the meatgrinder.

[mighty shuttle]

Is there any advice or suggestions that I might be overlooking because I just feel like I get run down intensely fast before I feel I can respond

[trim wren]

Is this gonna be okay for melee

And should I use gs or the regular force sword

[ripe obsidian]

Looks fine. I have some melee builds in the pinned guide as well. Some I made, a lot made by community members

FGS is typically better for melee-forward builds unless you're very good at Obscurus

[trim wren]

Oh, and since they changed stamina, Should I change my +3 stamina curios?

[ripe obsidian]

I do not use stamina curios on Psyker

[trim wren]

What do you recommend then?

[strong gulch]

Using environment and baiting enemies is helpful. It's also opened areas with no vaults or drop downs in the meatgrinder.

Is why I meantioned other mods to go with creature spawner.

[trim wren]

Wait whats obscurus?

[lone ravine]

force sword mark

[mighty shuttle]

What mod would you advise?

Alongside creaturespawner

[strong gulch]

It's a force sword mark. It has single and horde clear combos.

[strong gulch]

Also you can gey +3 stam from the talent tree. If you get that, then drop your stam curio for more HP or toughness.

[trim wren]

Oh okay I was using ilisi so far

[strong gulch]

Datatide Test Spawner
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/479

It requires a number of other mods that I rec as well. I haven't used it much tho.

[mighty shuttle]

Oh damn that's a lot.

[strong gulch]

true solo is a rec anyways

[mighty shuttle]

I might just suffer in the open arena, because unless I'm explicitly told it's impossible/extremely unreasonable, I feel that it might be a solid 'trial by fire'.

If i can dodge a hammer, I can dodge a ball

[strong gulch]

true solo gives you more of a live game experience

[trim wren]

Do people use obscurus because of the stronger heavy?

[ripe obsidian]

The Heavy > Light > Light combo decimates armored enemies

I added some information about curios to the Bonanza

[trim wren]

Oh fr? Would you say it's worth learning instead of using fgs

[strong gulch]

People use obscurus because it's the better allrounder of the force swords, has the faster TTK on crushers, and is more mechanically interesting.

If you like combos of something less simple then yes. If you struggle to time things or don't recover well when your attacks get messed up, then likely not.

Worth trying at any rate.

Of note is that obscurus does not knock crushers onto their ass the way deimos does. Could be a good or bad thing thing for you.

[trim wren]

Alright

As I said I've been using ilisi so far, didn't really use the other two

And for the fgs, I've been using the mark viii

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle @plucky flax @weary idol @thorn cedar
And anyone else with solid melee/gunker experience, can you please help me fill in recommended marks/blessings/perks for Psyker's melee and gun options? I don't know them well enough to give solid advice for many of the options available

[trim wren]

Just spamming light attacks for hordes

[mighty cipher]

Does it really kill crushers faster than the Deimos?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[strong gulch]

Yes

[weary idol]

"fill in" implies you already have some there

[ripe obsidian]

I DO NOW

NOT A LOT, BUT SOME

[weary idol]

okay which ones

nerd

[ripe obsidian]

I just started working on it today. D:

[trim wren]

So about the curios.. I only have one 21%hp and another 20%

[tulip kettle]

2 tough 1 hp is what i run

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, any weapon you want to contribute to. Less common ones would be more useful for me, as I mostly know the common stuff

[weary idol]

oh freak shit I get it

[tulip kettle]

with at least 1 corruption resist

lets you not get instad by bursters

[weary idol]

voidblast staff, with warp flurry+rending shockwave is an excellent gunker sidearm for its comically high stagger

[trim wren]

I've been using HP, combat ability cd, and a dmg resistance to snipers/bombers/flamers respectfully

[plucky flax]

Eh? Mk6 fgs carapace unyielding unstable + crit blessing and call it a day

[weary idol]

perks are just standard flakiac

[ripe obsidian]

Copy+pasting from my curio section of the guide (just added)

Curios, in the end, are preference. What works for one person won’t necessarily work for another. Some very skilled Psykers take 3x 17% toughness curios and swear by it. I use 2x 17% toughness and 1x 21% health, mostly so I can survive snipers and bursters in Havoc 40 missions. What follows is my recommendation, but feel free to adjust as needed.

Primary nodes
1x 21% health
2x 17% toughness
Secondary nodes
3x Cooldown Reduction
3x Gunner Resist
3x Ally Revive Speed
Other secondary node options
1x Sniper Resist
1-3x Toughness
1-2x Health
1-2x Corruption Resist

Note: despite what you might have heard or read, 3x Gunner Resist does not have diminishing returns.

1x 20% resist = 125% effective HP versus gunners
2x 20% resist (36% resist) = 156.25% effective HP versus gunners
3x 20% resist (48.8% resist) = 195.3125% effective HP versus gunners

[strong gulch]

This is what most run on curios. Especially if you take the +3 stam from the talent tree.

[mighty shuttle]

What if I took all stams on the curios and pretended I was a loner zealot

[strong gulch]

go for it if you want

[tulip kettle]

you will die to a stiff breeze

actually, with the current iteration of dodge linger you will likely be fine

[strong gulch]

I'd be even funnier if you did all +1 stam curios.

[trim wren]

Alright

[strong gulch]

Revealing one of my skissues.

[trim wren]

What about the force sword?

[ripe obsidian]

Added.

[mighty shuttle]

imagine if there was a curios that increased your dodge pool by one

[tulip kettle]

it would suck

[mighty shuttle]

Probably, not hard to get it back, but just side dodging eight times is funny to me

[trim wren]

Does the heavy las still suck ass?

[weary idol]

Okay so all the old "niche" stuff I used to use for giggles on gunker.

Bolt Pistol 4, Puncture+Deadly Accurate. Puncture can apply to assail shards and FGS wave by swapping to it, useful for clearing large bulwark waves or other cleave blockers when you can't get kills to charge fgs wave Psyker has such high finesse damage that it can still one shot most priority targets on headshot

Combat Shotguns VI and VII, Psyker has enough crit to make Manstopper+Full Bore viable on these and flex their excellent headshot damage, VII's slug helps with bulwarks/crushers, VI helps horde clear on more single target focused weapons alongside Assail

Shredder Autopistol with Inspiring Barrage+Cavalcade, automatic weapon that crits very often and has sprint while firing by default. Helps a lot with forcing your way into melee using empathic evasion, and if you don't have enemies to kill to regen toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you. I shall add this.

[weary idol]

I also toyed around with Graia Mk IV braced autogun for much the same reasons as the shredder autopistol but ultimately decided the autopistol is just better

[strong gulch]

Dump WR on on both.

Otherwise it looks good. Shred is better when you don't have aggro or there's a lot of CC or a taungryn on the field; it can also drop off if you miss or hit a dead body. Riposte is immediately available and procs with EE; but good luck with uptime if no aggro.

Illisi needs slaughter. That is the anchor blessing for it. Crit damage is not worth it as a perk due to the way it's calculated.

[weary idol]

and for melees I don't really think gunker highlights any of the whack choices

Unless you somehow still consider tactical axes/knife weird

[trim wren]

So shredder would be an okay option to take, I can say goodbye to my roleplay wishes of using a heavy las on a psyker 😭

[strong gulch]

shredder is fine

[trim wren]

Wait WR?

I thought defences/mobility were the dump stats

Alright, I'll go roll new ones

[strong gulch]

it's not as good as the other popular guns but it is fine

That is also assuming the typical right side build.

[weary idol]

on all psyker weapons Warp Resistance is dumped since it actively lowers your damage output by taking longer to generate peril

Except for the voidstrike staff because blast radius actually just does nothing

[trim wren]

Oh so thats what it means

[strong gulch]

WR is dump except for a couple niche cases. ye

[trim wren]

Awesome

[strong gulch]

VS and EK LBM spam are the exceptions.

[trim wren]

Lmfao got WR as a dump on my first roll

Alright, I'll give it a test run on damnation

Oh before I do that. Should I use the shredder or should I try making something from the heavy las

[weary idol]

up to you really

shredder is like full sidearm type weapon

[trim wren]

Cause I kinda really wanna roleplay one of my psyker characters but in the game

[weary idol]

you use it because it allows you to get into melee easier

not necessarily because it's a good gun

high suppression, good stagger, sprint while firing, crits often

[trim wren]

I remember the heavy las being absolute dog shit when it came out, not sure if they did any changes to irt

[weary idol]

I use it almost exclusively on zealot for basically the same reasons I liked it on psyker

It's a very good gun to force your way in on ranged enemies

[trim wren]

Oh my

[weary idol]

Laspistol is like

[trim wren]

I understand this

[weary idol]

If you can't click heads uncontested worst gun in the game

If you can it's very good

[trim wren]

Yeah

I can click heads

[weary idol]

It has by far the biggest damage difference between a headshot/crit and normal hits

[trim wren]

What about armored enemies
Like maulers with their stomach weakpoint

[weary idol]

crit+infernus is usually good enough

but also like

stab them

[trim wren]

Oh I do plan to

I just wanna use a heavy las to roleplay, nothing more

[weary idol]

yeah it's a fantastic gun

[trim wren]

Does it matter what I dump on the sredder?

[weary idol]

imo probably 2nd best gun psyker gun

[weary idol]

should dump mobility

collateral helps with suppression and stagger

[trim wren]

The heavy las?>??

[weary idol]

yeah

[celest valve]

laspistol also very fast to wield and force push is nice and can run fast with it

[weary idol]

gun psyker has extremely high crit/weakspot boosts from disrupt destiny

[trim wren]

Wait what do I put on the heaby then>?

[weary idol]

p sure it's dum-dum+infernus

[trim wren]

Alright

[weary idol]

perks would be unyielding and your choice of flak/maniacs/crit chance

[trim wren]

And then the standard unyielding plus flak?

Alright
And dump mobility

[weary idol]

ye

[weary idol]

Actually feel I should ask if you have the laspistol/infantry autogun listed there

I dunno if they're considered "niche" for gun psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I listed all weapons

[mighty shuttle]

I'm curious is there any footage of psykers that did the creature spawner trial challenges?

[trim wren]

Alright wish me luck I'll test this out on a normal damnation

[mighty shuttle]

And done them all, because I really want to see the gameplay flow or tricks that they used to kite around in an open space.

[mighty cipher]

So what’s the obscurus combo/blessings that lets it outpace the Deimos for crusher killing?

[trim wren]

Should be heavy into light light

[weary idol]

heavy-light-light

[celest valve]

my experience is that the full auto autoguns are pretty decent on psyker, faster swap to and shoot time it feels like than lasgun and good ammo efficiency

[weary idol]

overhead, uppercut, stab

[weary idol]

Yeah when I said laspistol was 2nd best I had infantry autogun in my mind as the best gun psyker gun

they're basically everything that gun psyker wants out of their gun

[trim wren]

What about hordes, how do I shain into the cleave the best?

[celest valve]

like my FGS psykers usually have an infantry autogun as second because it simply feels better than a staff

[weary idol]

for what weapon?

[trim wren]

The obscurus

[celest valve]

for picking off specialists and ranged

[weary idol]

it is L1-H2-L1 repeat iirc

[trim wren]

Oh alright thank youy

[mighty shuttle]

Oh silly question

Cna you change the name of your characters at all?

[weary idol]

personality scourge at krall

[mighty shuttle]

Okay so that does work, thank you!

[weary idol]

50K inquisitor-bux™

[mighty shuttle]

Pocket change fortunately for me at this point

Oh and

[mighty shuttle]

Is there a solo mission you'd suggest

For me to try that is

I dunno which mission is friendlist for solo players in terms of... "I don't have to carry five canisters by myself in auric maelstorm spawns"

[lone ravine]

I guess ascension riser?

I can’t really think of any other mission that doesn’t require some auspex / lugging

[mighty shuttle]

I guess the boss fights one?

[tulip kettle]

sycorax

just scans and buttons

[verbal thistle]

any maps with objectives you dont need to stand still and use auspex

they are possible but require either stun immunity or extreme rng

my tops maps to solo

1: Baross

2: Sycorax

3: Dark communion

4: Oublette

5: Gloriana (with good end obj you dont need to use auspex)

[mighty shuttle]

Thank you very much!

[verbal thistle]

6: Relay station

7: Silo Cluster

pretty sure thats all maps with no auspex scans (gloriana sometimes doesnt)

[mighty shuttle]

Thank you yeah I plan to just practice a bit and see if I get new or interesting tempo from it

[leaden thunder]

how are you feeling about the new one for this?

[verbal thistle]

newest map?

tenches isnt really a map

its half of one