#psyker-class

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patent jacinth
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Or the other thing

mighty shuttle
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Or something, is that another derivative of stun immunity flavored tad bit differently?

patent jacinth
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Unfaltering

verbal thistle
patent jacinth
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Its either twbs or unfaltering

verbal thistle
mighty shuttle
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Man I wish DT just had an ingame wiki that explains each specific term or conditions. If I wanted to look up brittleness, or 'finesse damage' as terms to see how they work.

verbal thistle
spice oar
verbal thistle
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finesse : )

spice oar
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Yeah we have that steam one, though it’s a bit out of date in a lot of ways

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Ain’t it massively out of date for psyker as well?

strong gulch
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Idk what works for you, but there is a mod called multibind. IDK if that would help.

Mine is on MMB scroll down. KEKW_ogryn

mighty shuttle
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Aye it was explained to me a bit ago, I just bring it up as an example of like "This is a specific term that is never actually explained and new players has to look it up, or ask someone else what it means because they won't get the information ingame."

patent jacinth
verbal thistle
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the fatshark formula

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tell us nothing and have random people on the internet code dive and find it

leaden thunder
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I love increasing the increase

spice oar
mighty shuttle
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Also am I crazy or was there ever a special color hitmarkers for hitting a weakspot before?

spice oar
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Not to defend fatshark ofc

strong gulch
leaden thunder
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old rending/brittle was wack as fuck too

mighty shuttle
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Because I'd like to be able to do that as I'm playing with lot more weapons and it's geniunely difficult to tell if I actually hit the weakspot or not.

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Especially on bosses that's a moving, flailing mass

mighty shuttle
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Blue is 'reduced by carapace/armor' I believe

leaden thunder
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it should have 2 dashes instead of 1 on the hit marker

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is how it's shown

mighty shuttle
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Oh it's not color it's dashes

spice oar
mighty shuttle
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Okay got it.

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I'll test it in psyckanenom

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Also final question as I'm alternating a lot between relic blade zealot and force greatsword melee psyker

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One of the things I struggle on psyker is opening up bulwarks

leaden thunder
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FGS has pretty crazy pushes iirc

spice oar
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Also do you guys recommend anything from the commodore for psyker rn?

patent jacinth
mighty shuttle
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Oh that opens bulwarks?

patent jacinth
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That shrimple

verbal thistle
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you can hit bulwarks over their shield with FGS

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jump with the poke

spice oar
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I got the chemdog one cause I like the regiment

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But nothing else really speaks to me tbh

mighty shuttle
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I had weird time with push attack, it's such a big range, but I feel like I don't understand how push works because some times it feels tiny, other times it knocks over ragers

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Is it something I charge like a followup attack?

strong gulch
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Push vs push attack on force melees are 2 diff things.

The push attack is single target and has a range of up to 9m .

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If the force melee PA connects with an enemy, you will gain peril. It's always a weak spot hit.

mighty shuttle
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Is the push itself what opens bulwarks

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Or the attack?

strong gulch
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PA

mighty shuttle
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Interesting and that explains a bit

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One of the things I notice is that I have less ‘ways’ to get out of bad situations and the push only affecting one target makes lot of sense when I’m surrounded and trying to get out of carapace train

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On zealot I have chorus to CC but psyker it’s a ‘kill your way out or don’t get trapped in first place’

strong gulch
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Depends on your build. Pysker has a lot of CC options.
gunker / melee has few options than staves or smite.

mighty shuttle
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Oh I mean my particular FGS build melee psyker

strong gulch
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But learning how to not get in those situations is a boon.

mighty shuttle
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I use dome and SG, bolt pistol or revolver secondary as I’m working out what I want, with the darts as my blitz since it’s amazing at mixed horde clear

strong gulch
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The FGS special does have infinite cleave and some stagger. It won't stop and overhead tho. The PA can tho.

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If you juggle your targets well.

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Assuming there is no stagger immunity.

mighty shuttle
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So hard CC is distinctively absent from my kit I think which isn’t a bad thing as far as making me more consistent

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Good point I do use warp slice as a cc pretty often so mixing that between PA seems like a possible way to open up a small route to dodge out of a corner

spice oar
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Bolt pistol is semi cc if you’ve got the right blessings

mighty shuttle
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Fair!

spice oar
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As long as you don’t mind it being used as that

spice oar
mighty shuttle
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I use it as elite killer which revolver is probably better for it

mighty cipher
spice oar
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Good light stagger

mighty shuttle
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Just that reloading is painfully slow sometimes relative to it

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So swapping a blessing out to use as stagger while also oneshotting snipers could make it more viable over just revolver

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I do share some frustration about tox gas and to lesser extent fire bombs

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Because they’re oppressive in terms of blocking off LOS and making it hard to see anything

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Like having it being less restrictive on vision especially because feedback loop of one tox bomb went off, makes it harder to see the bomber in question which means they throw more uncontested

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Like genuinely I would probably prefer it being lot more deadly, the gas, but making it not conceal or impossible to see through so you have actual agency to kill the bomber itself while being punished for ignoring it

spice oar
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Does bolt pistol have speed load?

zinc phoenix
prime elk
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you can't change my mind

lone ravine
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if only they added the little floor spray like how gasrats are so you can physically see the tox gas radius represented.

prime elk
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that would help but at the very least they shouldn't block outlines

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in an unmodded game

tulip kettle
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just make bombers of both kinds require LOS to throw

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fixed

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and stop gas removing various talent effects like exe stance and desperado

atomic flicker
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oh apparently both void staves dont activate perils of the warp

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in the current patch

lone ravine
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yea bug with a majority of psyker stuff rn

atomic flicker
tulip kettle
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just no need, and it causes major stutters anyway

atomic flicker
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updating my drivers fixed the plasma and other stutter issues

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apparently its because each fire of it generates a debug log

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for some reason

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a new mod in nexus is up that disables it

mighty shuttle
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Because it can take just one tox bomb to conceal enough LOS for two or three more bombers to respawn on top of having to kill everything else and it just becomes blind dome of can’t see shit that keeps on causing more fires and gas because you can’t effectively respond

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Like I genuinely think this could be mitigated if pox bomber has one important design element that firebimber has. It’s easy to see, the fire bomber glows in dark and has red markings so when you’re looking for it it’s easy to pick out

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But pox bomber is pretty nondescript dreg faction that could easily resemble a gunner or whatever and does not have any kind of glowing indicator to it that bombers have so it’s hard to pick them out in a crowd

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I’m not saying tox bombers are horrible, broken, or irredeemable. Lot of this can be avoided by being diligent and killing it fast and it can be a non problem for some builds. But I do still think there’s design flaws worth talking about and to be improved on.

sturdy reef
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their LOS hacks are still atrocious

atomic flicker
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funny how both bombers in this game are more accurate than the sniper

tulip kettle
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@ripe obsidian carry me in havoc?

ripe obsidian
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I am in D&D at the moment

ripe obsidian
gray juniper
atomic flicker
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saw that mf chuck a grenade straight through a window you can't pass through while being miles away

i dont think its coded as a projectile, it's just an animation that plays and the thing is made to land where the group is

spice oar
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First time encountering a true smyker never again, absolutely shitting on such a cool blitz by using it in such a braindead way

vital vale
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I've got a question since I only started playing phycher like 3 days ago, why am not blowing up? Like I sit at 100% for several seconds and nothing happens. Is it a known bug or could it be one of my mods?

spice oar
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Plasma vet has the same thing

vital vale
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Ah ok thanks, i thought i was somehow cheating unknowingly.

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I assume that normaly im supposed to insta blow up at 100% yes?

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cuz this is building some very bad habbits right now if I am

spice oar
ripe obsidian
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If you hit 100% peril, you do not die automatically.

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Only if you do something while at 100%

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Or, I think, use brain burst at like 97% or higher

spice oar
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Gives you a reason to use one more blast or shock, then safely vent

mighty shuttle
spice oar
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…not that that’s useful info rn

mighty shuttle
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(Yourself and the opponent gets BB'ed)

ripe obsidian
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2x the burst brain, 2x the power

mighty shuttle
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"Give me something that helps me pick them out of a pack because they are important to identify and kill"

spice oar
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Hound and mutant have their unique biology

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Trapper is actually decently sortable cause of the hunched and movement LOUD activation noise

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Sniper is sniper

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Big ass red line

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Flamers don’t need to be stealthy

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Yet pox bomber doesent have anything noticeable apart from the audio Que, which isn’t as loud as trappers

ripe obsidian
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Tox bombers are probably the most annoying enemy in the game. They make a massive area dangerous for so long

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It's just frustrating

modest perch
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im still with sirosky on this one

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they should just be yeeted entirely

ripe obsidian
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I'd be okay with that.

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Or at least reducing the area or duration or something. They slow down the game so much, and when like 3-4 spawn at a time in havoc, they just... make the game unplayable

modest perch
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lol theyre just bs

mighty shuttle
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I decided in my ADHD riddled phase I was going to post on reddit about idea of design change for fun.

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Because I think maybe if pox bomber had a distinctly colored eyes that's very visible in the gas

modest perch
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an infinite ammo enemy that spawns in packs, blinds, damages, and debuffs you while buffing enemies, and can also attack from behind hard cover and from out of bounds

mighty shuttle
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And can be killed instead of benefitting from the tox gas nonstop to keep throwing more and more would feel more fair.

modest perch
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easier to just get rid of them lol

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they never needed to be added

mighty shuttle
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I don't think it's realistic to go "Remove this unit from the game entirely."

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I wouldn't be sad about it or miss it mind you.

modest perch
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no one would

mighty shuttle
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Aye, just from development standpoint, they put time and resources in adding this enemy and removing it seems unlikely

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So reworking it or suggesting something that would be easy to implement in theory would probably be the way to go.

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Just because something is a bastard or pain in the ass doens't mean it's fundamentally bad or needs to go always, and I think giving tox bombers more counterplay or make it easier to pick them off is probably the way to go.

modest perch
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as long as they can yeet fart bombs from out of bounds/unreachable locations theres rly no counterplay at all

mighty shuttle
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Because they essentially have a gameplay loop of "If you don't kill the first one, it becomes harder and harder to stop follow up bombers from doing stuff, it's like having enemy that throws a smoke grenade at you and you didn't kill him so now he's running around in the smoke throwing more grenades

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That also happens with normal bombers!

modest perch
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yea and its bs with them too

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same with the fences that snipers can shoot through

mighty shuttle
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I haven't seen snipers shoot through things that players also can't shoot through!

modest perch
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idk what to tell you then

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off the top of my head i can name 2 spots

lone ravine
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500 bombers

mighty shuttle
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Hell of a gauntlet....

modest perch
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the bridge on enclavum and the part of chasm station after the mid event and the bridge before the med station

mighty shuttle
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Oh? I'll check em out sometimes

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Either way it's annoying but it doesn't make them broken.

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I think the key thing for this discourse is specifically

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'This unit is not broken/impossible/ruining games entirely on its own." It's not hard to kill a pox bomber, in same way killing a bomber. There can be argument to be made that it's a skill issue if you let pox bombers take off so easily or to position/move around better. You can mitigate these things, these are not enemies that goes "Yeah I lost the entire game because of them." or at least specifically tox bomber, but they do absolutely make situations worse for you with LOS denial.

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But they're annoying and that tweaking them to not compound on themselves advantage wise quite as quickly would probably be healthier for the game.

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I could probably write a full rant on trappers and give convincing reasons about why they're bad for the game and how many solo clutch awesome moments has been ruined by a granny bastard that launched a trap through 18 carapace units to catch you. But at the end of the day, it's still part of the challenge!

lone ravine
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trapper should be able to net enemies too fr

mighty shuttle
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Daemon meat is back on the menu boys

lone ravine
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who would win

chaos gods
one electric net

modest perch
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mmmmmm evil rashuns

mighty shuttle
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Does it imply it'd work on a space marine too potentially?

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IIRC Ogryn likely is more physically powerful than space marine in terms of actual mass/bulk. So if it can't yank itself out of a trapper net, that does not bode well for the marine /s

lone ravine
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yea ogryns can straight up body a spacemarine if they actually hit but are basically braindead and hell of a lot slower than marines reactions

mighty shuttle
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Abaddon for his 14th crusade just collects millions of trappers to wipe out entire chapters of space marines ez

quaint lark
ripe obsidian
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I keep accidentally getting hit by snipers because of the increased hitboxes. D: I'm like, "that's 2 feet to the left, I am okay." And then I am not okay.

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I also had two different trappers shoot through teammates and hit me yesterday. Aiming at teammates, they dodge, I suffer.

fluid knot
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Disengage from everything else just to go kill those maggot ridden fucks

ripe obsidian
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I need to see if I can brain enough to play Havoc today. Last night my reaction speed went to shit. @tulip kettle if you are around, for how long will ye be?

tulip kettle
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few mins

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bear with

strong gulch
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good luck in havocs

ripe obsidian
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I mean how long will you be around, sorry. My brain is running on buggy firmware today

tardy pumice
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do u get more dmg taken / toughness bypass if u get hit in the back?

tulip kettle
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erm, idk

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i might just go to bed actually

ripe obsidian
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That is probably wise

ripe obsidian
tardy pumice
strong gulch
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There are differences in damage taken between the classes during running, spriniting, etc

potent echo
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Did they remove a bunch of 2x damage earlier this year

tawdry garnet
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what does the brain rupture augment Kinetic Flayer even do? It says all attacks against specialists, elites, and monsters have 100% on hit to Brain Rupture

tawdry garnet
potent echo
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On cooldown, you can a free brainburst on any specialitestrosity

tawdry garnet
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is it just saying every 12 seconds my brain burst instantly kills a specialitestrosity?

potent echo
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Procs off anything, even soulblaze

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Well not kill

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Just do one full BR damage

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Will kill most things

tawdry garnet
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are you saying every 12 seconds my next instance of damage procs a brain burst on those enemies

potent echo
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Yes

tawdry garnet
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like this is a passive effect as long as its unlocked? not relating to the actual brain burst at all

potent echo
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It's great for reaching the trapper inside hordes and stuff

plucky flax
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Yeah it's OP

potent echo
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Yea

plucky flax
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Free damage for 1 point cost.

tawdry garnet
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jfc

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by the emperor

tawdry garnet
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thats insane\

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we can be bees

gray juniper
ripe obsidian
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Kinetic Flayer is 90% of the reason people take brain rupture.

gray juniper
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True. I swear it’s every five seconds or I’m just that good chadgryn

ripe obsidian
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The 100% guaranteed proc makes it amazing. Just LMB a special and know it will die.

potent echo
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Now can they make rmb BR the same time as lmb BR

gray juniper
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Br?

ripe obsidian
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Brain rupture

potent echo
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Brain rupture

ripe obsidian
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I have never used RMB BR, honestly

mighty cipher
sweet willow
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psykers have transcended the confines of the game

ripe obsidian
potent echo
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I used staff lmb to push a burster further away to save my teammate earlier

lone ravine
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Are you sure you were trying to save him?

strong gulch
lone ravine
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Or were you trying to blow it up

ripe obsidian
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Inferno LMB is a very strong push

lone ravine
strong gulch
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@gray juniper Above are the stats you asked about.

ripe obsidian
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What an odd mechanic.

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Fatshark hides so much shit from the players.

lone ravine
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when i first looked it up vet apparently had a 2x modifier on sprinting

potent echo
zealous wing
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what do the numbers mean

lone ravine
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multiplier to toughness dmg taken during those actions

zealous wing
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so while dodging is i presume attacks other than the one you were actively dodging?

lone ravine
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yea like if you were to dodge into an overhead targeting a teammate

zealous wing
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dom finally made his username something recognisable

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threw me off for a moment

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its no longer just " - "

tulip kettle
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:D

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i was in incognito mode

strong gulch
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Dom is not in bed.

zealous wing
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am with ninja sitting in lobby if you do gaming

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if you do bed tho gn

gray juniper
lone ravine
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Code does a bit more complicated stuff so it’s not exactly half but around there

gray juniper
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Game servers are unstable as hell every time I get on now. I made a few tiers in the event but it’s back to rogue trader for now

ripe obsidian
strong gulch
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Seems more of a game play thing. Another reason to always be sliding on psyker.

deft stump
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.5 sliding arby... no mobility they say.

zealous wing
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could have a small section near the top for new psykers

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with basic important info like such

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slide, and why, where to hover peril level and why, etc

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also, rebinding jump and dodge to different things probably good to slap in there too tbh

keen nest
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Hello fellow siblings

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How is everyone

zealous wing
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hello

quaint lark
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Welcome new varlet

static vessel
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We feeding you to the emperor

quaint lark
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He needs his midnight snack

keen nest
quaint lark
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In here theres groups of people for each channel, vet chat is normal info lil chaos, zealot is now talking about zealot pizza bc what else lol, psyker chat is arguing about smykers, ogryn is always chill, arby idk there.., and idk about hivescum yet @keen nest

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Damnit cure you phone

keen nest
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XD

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Way worse than psyker

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You get dropped within 2 hits

tulip kettle
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false

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hive scum literally invulnerable to damage

keen nest
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Not false I played with them for a hour

tulip kettle
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lmao

keen nest
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And I’m new to the class

zealous wing
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skissues

quaint lark
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I havent played with them at all and they sound squishy

zealous wing
keen nest
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My huge scum is the only low level of the group

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Hive

quaint lark
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Your a skill issue Hexis

tulip kettle
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they are, quite literally, immune to damage

modest perch
zealous wing
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i know

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i never say im anything other than a walking skissue

quaint lark
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Hey who here likes smykers?

keen nest
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Ehh I prefer psyker and zelot and vet

tulip kettle
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we all prefer psyker here uwugryn

modest perch
tulip kettle
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or... we fuckin BETTER DO

quaint lark
keen nest
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Once I learn how the class works I will enjoy it a bit more

gray juniper
quaint lark
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Also my bulid is way earlier in chat, look up from my media you'll find my bulid

tulip kettle
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dont do that

quaint lark
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Why?

tulip kettle
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six has build guides in the pins

quaint lark
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The one dude said I should post my bulid and i said where my bulid was is all

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And mines different, I made it on my own not off some weird ass chart thing

gray juniper
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Haha

quaint lark
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Fuck them meta bulid shit things, I perfer rawdogging it

modest perch
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rate my build chat

ripe obsidian
gray juniper
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I give you credit for being your own man

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But still get a wedgie for being a smyker

modest perch
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(its exactly like all the others)

quaint lark
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Why should I listen to the world when I am my own man I follow my own orders

quaint lark
modest perch
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yeaj

quaint lark
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Must mean its good then

modest perch
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except my staffs better

quaint lark
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And that I know my shit

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I like my shotgun

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I can cast BELLY FULL OF LEAD

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Im out of magic...but not out of ammo hehehe~

modest perch
quaint lark
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Yes that

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See its why I run shotgun

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Sure staffs are better...BUT ITS A FUCKING SHOTGUN

gray juniper
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Dawg do you really use shotgun?

quaint lark
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Yes

modest perch
quaint lark
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Im here to enjoy the game not be the best at it

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I will enjoy it how I want thank you very much

modest perch
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as long as i dont have to pick u up off the floor every couple minutes

quaint lark
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Oh I dont go down

modest perch
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finished that penance ages ago n i havent revived anyone since

quaint lark
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Hell I have to try and go down if I want to lol

modest perch
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gotta let someone else have the chance

quaint lark
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Unless its on my knees then ill go down~

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Sorry filter filter

gray juniper
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Pause…

modest perch
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erm pls take that nonsense to zealot chat

quaint lark
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Sorry it just came out

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Welcome to hell @keen nest

keen nest
tulip kettle
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@zealous wing

zealous wing
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seems about right

tulip kettle
zealous wing
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@quiet inlet try copypasting İ

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or і

strong gulch
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Bİood-n-Pİzz

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that works

strong gulch
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@zealous wing gg was last game

zealous wing
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o7

keen nest
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Hm

livid steppe
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Has anyone experienced a bug with Psyker when you reach 100% peril and start to spam m1 it doesn't let you explode and drops all your fps?

zealous wing
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yes

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its known

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force sword specials and push attacks
voidstrike staff
trauma staff
surge LMB specifically
smite
assail
brain burst
plasma gun ADS (veteran only)
dueling sword parry (on psykers)

all do not overload rn, and cause stutters for PC players

livid steppe
zealous wing
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yeah, its annoying me as well, so ive banished myself to mostly playing inferno

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i still explode 1 or 2 times a match, more if its a bad day, so im not gonna wreck the others because i cant control myself

livid steppe
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Well thx for letting me know I really hope the next hotfix helps

zealous wing
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same, and np

livid steppe
zealous wing
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lmfao

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i didnt even test CW yet with this

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i was thinking suipsyker must be REALLY hard to run atm

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ive also forgotten to test laspistol push

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it also doesnt overload

deft stump
zealous wing
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suipsyker literally impossible to run right now

livid steppe
deft stump
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Had ppl complaining about it in game on it.

livid steppe
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Ah boo no image perms

deft stump
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Unless they play console.

livid steppe
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Ah

plucky flax
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Why FS no fix bug? Kapp

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Swedish efficiency.

zealous wing
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must wait for hotfix release day

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why its only ever tuesdays i'll never know

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this is a pretty severe issue

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mmm yes

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my favourite staff

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and my favourite gun

quaint lark
deft stump
quaint lark
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Does it shoot fireballs?

quaint lark
zealous wing
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i dont shoot shells, but sure

quaint lark
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The gun and staff switch places

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And bullets leave she'll casings

dull scroll
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this is still image perm phewww

quaint lark
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Shell

zealous wing
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i dont shoot shells

quaint lark
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Oh kark off ya wanker

zealous wing
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shot gun wont do bossmelting i desire

sturdy reef
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which shotty

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agrip combat shotty shits on bosses

zealous wing
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not really

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the amount of times you have to stop and reload sucks

sturdy reef
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it has 13 in the mag

zealous wing
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and it doesnt 13shot a boss

sturdy reef
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on psyker no

zealous wing
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we're talking about psyker

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it takes about the same ratio of mag to kill a burgle with no active buffs, but the reload speed of cshot is so much slower

sturdy reef
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I'd have to test it but my intuition is that it is weakest on psyker

zealous wing
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cshot vs vraks

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also dont even get started on DB shotgun, that thing is so shit 😭 im not even gonna finish killing this burgle with it

wispy bay
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They have the long barrel version planned, but refuse to release for some reason.

sturdy reef
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DB shotgun is a weapon specialist vet weapon

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it absolutely fucks on vet

wispy bay
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The damage is very bad...

sturdy reef
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then drops down a cliff

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its not a boss dps weapon

zealous wing
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one mag of shredder autopistol, surprisingly not shit for a meme weapon

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like, theres worse

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granted, these are weakspot hits mostly

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one mag at 30sg stacks and a combat stim

#

25dd, 30sg, combat stim kekw

potent echo
#

How long does it take to mag dump, like 2 seconds?

zealous wing
#

uhm

#

4s

#

this is also an ammo dumped shredder

potent echo
ripe obsidian
#

I'll dump your ammo

#

:(

zealous wing
#

pls do

#

i see no reason to not dump ammo

potent echo
#

I am now thinking about scriers gaze with bolter and cavalcade

#

One day

zealous wing
#

hmm

#

bolter as in boltgun or bistol

potent echo
#

Boltgun

zealous wing
#

psyker too weak

potent echo
#

Just forcebolts

zealous wing
#

im now tempted to give shredder an actual shot next fuckaround game i play with dom

#

gonna make him go insane

#

hive scum cosplay 2.0

quartz barn
#

Combine it with chainsword as a bait

zealous wing
#

i would to be funny, but i really fucking hate the chain weapons

#

the sound on carapace is unforgivably shit

#

genuine repulsion

#

i can do devils claw tho

deft stump
zealous wing
#

not arby is too easy though

#

its just the havoc helmet on something armourlike

potent echo
#

Light spam on chainswords just hurt me

#

Not physically either

zealous wing
#

ngl its fun fighting a plogryn with this

ripe obsidian
#

Ugh. Almost clutched an H40. Fought through 2 hordes, got to the revive point--it moved, because Dark Communion--fought to the next revive point, then got ping-ponged by 2 or 3 mutants until I died

zealous wing
#

D:

#

i assume this was the revive point right before the medicae on the side room area

#

where if you walk to it the wrong pathway it says "no"

ripe obsidian
#

Indeed

zealous wing
verbal thistle
#

Something is up with that respawn point

#

I've had rescues go backwards

ripe obsidian
#

It is very frustrating

#

And definitely contributed significantly to that loss

sturdy reef
#

mutant ping on h40 is real

#

I hate em

potent echo
#

Isit possible to solo twin captains and chaos spawn during an event

verbal thistle
#

Yes

potent echo
#

💀

verbal thistle
#

Not a lot of people are able to though

#

Communion does have that downtime before event spawns activate so rescues are fine plus with the door being opened before the scripted boss spawn you have a lot more room to kite

sturdy reef
#

melee twin is annoying to solo because of the constant knockback but yes

#

spawn is easier to solo imo as long as you have space to dodge the grab

verbal thistle
#

Don't need space to dodge it

#

Dodge inwards to the right

sturdy reef
#

ya

ripe obsidian
#

I am not good enough to solo twins. :<

#

At least not with most builds.

#

Maybe with Arby.

sturdy reef
#

Just need some decent melee dps

#

And watch out that rinda doesnt corner carry you KEKW_ogryn

potent echo
#

I mean spawn and twins at the same time

#

Like how do you even

sturdy reef
#

Let the mutie chuck you away

ripe obsidian
#

Be Ainz

potent echo
#

Just don't let them touch you I assume

sturdy reef
#

Do a loop

#

Depends on map and what section

#

Not easy at all

potent echo
#

I was caught by commons like a filthy commoner

zealous wing
#

rinda will stay on your ass the whole way, so definitely always focus on her first

verbal thistle
#

Los rodin, block rinds while rotating around her so she repeats her circle or combo move

potent echo
#

Tried to do a slide but spawn hit me around a corner

verbal thistle
#

And time the Cspawn's grab

#

Don't slide in melee

potent echo
#

That's true

#

Is there a rinda solo video

verbal thistle
#

In my solo video

#

Idk if I have one on psyker

ripe obsidian
#

My current team of pubs can't get past the first room of Dark Communion. =|

verbal thistle
#

I personally don't think about rinda

#

Rinda isn't a threat

#

Its rodin

#

/specials

deft stump
potent echo
#

Unrelated, but how do you feel about gaze/shriek in havocs

sturdy reef
#

Gud

verbal thistle
#

Too strong

potent echo
#

I love gaze in aurics

#

Damn

verbal thistle
#

I try to keep out psykers in my havocs

#

They make it boring

#

50000 purg psykers

potent echo
#

That's crazy

#

I mean yea

ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

Play melee psyker in h40

verbal thistle
#

More likely to accept them

sturdy reef
#

Lotsa fun

potent echo
#

I really don't want to play purg

verbal thistle
#

If they are undergeared

#

Or underleveled

ripe obsidian
#

I am a filthy degenerate who enjoys playing Inferno + Shriek.

zealous wing
#

its very chill

quartz barn
#

Where do you find these good purg psykers loregryn

sturdy reef
#

I havent played flame staff except to rush back to 40

potent echo
#

How do you deal with the wall of shooters before the stairs event in assassination

zealous wing
#

but i know you'd play VS if it worked fine in havoc

potent echo
ripe obsidian
zealous wing
#

chasm probably

#

or, actually

potent echo
#

Oubliette

zealous wing
#

the riser, yeah

sturdy reef
#

I either go VB shriek or melee psyker rn

verbal thistle
#

After tunnel, above meditation, before mid event?

sturdy reef
#

Barely play flame staff

potent echo
#

After tunnel, before the riser event yea

#

That area is just stupid

zealous wing
#

the flat area with the monster trigger

verbal thistle
#

In what context? If this is a gueine question

potent echo
#

After you come out of the tunnel you get into an area where there are 10billion shooters on the other side

zealous wing
#

you keep moving

potent echo
#

Nonstop horde laddering from above

verbal thistle
#

I run them down

#

Slide is op

#

They stop shooting when in melee range (mostly)

potent echo
#

If you go too forward then boss spawns

verbal thistle
#

It's only a boss

potent echo
#

Perhaps

verbal thistle
#

You get a huge area to kite

#

Upstairs and downstairs

#

Specials only spawn upstairs

potent echo
#

Do you just pierce to upstairs

verbal thistle
#

Yes

zealous wing
#

only concern is being thrown off, which doesnt happen if you position correctly/dodge

potent echo
#

Understandable

#

All my teams just fight below and die

verbal thistle
#

They play slow and get chips plus they don't have tools to deal with them

#

I just recorded my vet with shock maul and las rifle h40

#

And it was oub

potent echo
#

Nice

#

I assume you don't stand and trade with the shooters

verbal thistle
#

I did

potent echo
#

Mmm

#

Ghost?

verbal thistle
#

I had smoke nades and exstance

potent echo
#

Or not even needed

verbal thistle
#

Ex stance toughess Regen is dumb

#

The shooters that did hit me I just regened

#

This is why context matters for fights like that

#

I had smokes and range counter so I stayed below and sniped

void perch
verbal thistle
#

If I played melee scum or something similar I run them down so they don't spread out and take cover

#

Chipping me down

void perch
#

i think you could

#

if u tried

#

😄

potent echo
#

Usually there's like a huge wall of elites flooding in from above after the drop

void perch
potent echo
#

Or do y'all just not drop until you aggroed all the stuff

verbal thistle
#

I play havoc so I do alert ambiance pre drop

potent echo
#

Understandable

verbal thistle
#

Auric is easy enough to just always run it down

potent echo
#

This is wall beyond any pub havoc party

ripe obsidian
void perch
#

i see

ripe obsidian
verbal thistle
#

Yeah

#

Auric is a joke

potent echo
#

But also if you preaggro ambient won't the gunners already setup shop on the far end loregryn

verbal thistle
#

Again, context. In my case I already killed them with my anti range setup

void perch
#

i dont remember the last time i died on auric that wasnt a dc wipe or me not being able to solo the room before my tm8s were downed

potent echo
#

🥲

verbal thistle
#

But some of ambiance in that area doesn't spawn until you drop

ripe obsidian
potent echo
#

Huh, okay

ripe obsidian
#

Or racing against @zealous wing

void perch
#

😄

#

200 minimum i might add

#

never played a game with servers as bad as tide

#

my modded skyrim run crashes less than i dc

#

on tide

ripe obsidian
#

Yeah, it's badly optimized and unstable

#

At least on 200 ping I can blame the servers for my deaths.

zealous wing
#

six,

void perch
#

i have infinite excuses when i die

#

bad tm8s

#

lag

#

stick drift

#

controller player

#

ps5 performance

zealous wing
#

off the top of your head, do you know what kinetic resonance might be called?

#

i thought it was efficient smites but, buff bar doesnt put it on

ripe obsidian
#

Kinetic Resonance?

#

Oh, on the buff bar?

deft stump
void perch
#

"Do you know what this buff's name is"

Lists the buff

zealous wing
#

i forgot the words "in the code" but six is smrt he'll figure it out

void perch
#

not to self glaze but i feel im usually pretty good at calling my own skill issues

verbal thistle
void perch
#

90% of my deaths in this game are not a skill issue

potent echo
#

Is this the oub one

void perch
#

adaptation issue? Maybe

verbal thistle
#

@potent echo forgot I had a melee psyker oub solo

void perch
#

i have a hard time adapting to 300 ping skyrocketing to 1000

verbal thistle
#

From awhile ago

potent echo
#

Show

verbal thistle
#

Not havoc

#

Just auric

potent echo
#

That changes alot

void perch
#

what is oub

potent echo
zealous wing
#

oubliette

void perch
#

oh

#

i see

zealous wing
#

prison block assassination mission

ripe obsidian
#

@zealous wing try

"psyker_ability_increase_brain_burst_speed"

void perch
#

ye ik

void perch
#

i hate it

#

my first havoc loss was on oub

quartz barn
void perch
#

2 rooms in

potent echo
#

I've been taking voidblast on meleeker but mmm

void perch
#

😄

potent echo
#

Might go back to revolver

void perch
#

im too laggy to actually dodge visually

#

so im like

#

playing as ray charles

#

most of the time

#

against grabs

quartz barn
#

I never dodge visually, always on sound

zealous wing
#

im so sure its supposed to be this

void perch
#

well the sound is off sync too

#

with ping

#

so

deft stump
void perch
#

yep

#

desync is desync

zealous wing
#

oh NOW it fucking works

deft stump
zealous wing
#

jfc

#

thank you anyway nerd

deft stump
#

You need to be in dodge when sound plays.

zealous wing
#

wtf now scriers is broken on it

void perch
#

for some reason

quartz barn
#

Only the absolute goats like you

deft stump
void perch
#

i thought it was dukane

#

when i looked at it properly

#

then again ic ant actually see shit

deft stump
ripe obsidian
#

Maybe smite_attack_speed?

zealous wing
#

nah i got it

#

it WAS efficient smite

ripe obsidian
#

This is the line in the code afaik

zealous wing
#

but its just being dumb Sitgryn

potent echo
verbal thistle
#

That was old psyker

#

Assail gaze and ep

potent echo
#

Was psyker rework actually more recent than 4 months ago

#

Felt like it was here for a long time

verbal thistle
#

3 months ago iirc

zealous wing
#

i am bored so now i have a demo clip of why wildfire is a must take on inferno, in case someone saying wildfire sucks ever shows up again

ripe obsidian
#

Wildfire sux, worst talent, take empyric shock

deft stump
potent echo
#

Emputrid

ripe obsidian
#

Okay, stimm supply scum is the best fucking thing for blight missions

#

holy moly

potent echo
#

Mmmye

#

Especially if you take 15s of after effect

ripe obsidian
#

I was inferno + shriek in that mission, and our scumm had rending + strength stimm and stimm supply. I burned the world.

#

Except at the very beginning, where the world burned me

zealous wing
#

k i ran the build in heresy and it actually was so much fun

potent echo
#

Your lungs burned

ripe obsidian
zealous wing
#

devils claw, shredder autopistol, KF, SG, DD

ripe obsidian
#

Scum cosplay?

zealous wing
#

yup

#

i think i also killed the most but, im not running scoreboard until it tracks every game, but only shows up when i want to actually go look

ripe obsidian
#

Should I get the chem dogs tops for zealot and/or vet? They are snazzy, but I barely play those classes and already have multiple outfits

zealous wing
#

meh

ripe obsidian
#

Fashionlord Hexis says meh. The decision is made.

potent echo
#

Pay fatshark back for giving you free Aquilas fatshark

wispy bay
#

There is that ork hunter costume that you can use to cosplay ganger.

ripe obsidian
#

I need to start trying non-Inferno builds in H40. I am just anxious about ruining other peoples' games. Gotta recruit victims teammates from here.

wispy bay
#

I can volunteer for your failure.

ripe obsidian
#

Neato. Not tonight, as it is 4am here, but later this week

#

I'll probably try stuff like voidblast + shriek, surge surge, maybe melee, etc. And probably scum and arby at some point

#

I wanna improve my versatility

potent echo
#

Idk how much I like voidblast shriek

#

Seems to not even tickle gunners in H30s even

ripe obsidian
#

I know Syllogism uses it successfully

#

Not that I am as good as him, but

#

It feels weird to me that I only did like 50% more damage than a stimm supply scum

wispy bay
#

I played with people pass H40 with Vstrike before.

ripe obsidian
#

Lunatics

plucky flax
ripe obsidian
#

Funky.

#

So what builds do you think would work relatively easily on H40 as a solo psyker?

wispy bay
#

With dome or no dome?

potent echo
#

How about gaze blast whatthefuck_heresy

ripe obsidian
wispy bay
#

If you want something really crazy, Vstrike with flurry and surge instead of nexus.

#

The volume of shot make up for the lack of crit.

zealous wing
#

idk why this build feels like a crime but it does

tulip kettle
#

I can't wait to see it

#

And six, play blaze trauma assuming not toll

#

Horde clear benefits of shriekferno plus elites cc of trauma and shooter supression, it's a win win

zealous wing
#

its so fucking fun omfg

#

devils claw also is actually DOING things, granted its heresy test runs but, i've actually got a smile on my face with how well it works kekw

#

shredder with KF also surprisingly good

#

im definitely being very liberal in my use of the shredder

#

but its a hivescum cosplay, so its allowed

#

im even using a scum frame kekw

#

i put surety of arms on for good measure and i go brr

cinder cradle
#

what is passive quelling Sitgryn builds seem to like warp ghost but idk which part of the node is desirable moreso than available options

ripe obsidian
#

Passive quelling is quelling that happens when you are not holding R

cinder cradle
#

i figured but like approx. how much is that? 1-2% a second?

zealous wing
ripe obsidian
cinder cradle
#

ahh kk, ty

ripe obsidian
#

Can you guess which player said at the beginning that they were trying to get True Survivor?

#

(I feel a little like a bully for posting this, but it was somewhat frustrating)

zealous wing
#

the grey one

ripe obsidian
#

Yes.

#

My damage taken was a sniper while a mutant threw me, I think (or maybe a trapper net; I was in midair either way) and a handful of bombers cornering me

plucky flax
#

Since you kind of stay range more than melee

#

Bubble knight is way more melee so fgs specials a lot for cleave

#

Or gaze melee as well and have no support for team but as solo psyker bubble knight is cooler

ripe obsidian
summer prairie
#

Stimm supply scum is big damage actually if you spam your needler

ripe obsidian
#

They were using dual auto pistols

summer prairie
#

ok well

ripe obsidian
#

I do also know their name, and they are a consistently good player

#

So skill factors into it

summer prairie
#

needler chem grenade stimm supply no keystone

#

good build

ripe obsidian
#

This is their build

fluid knot
zealous wing
#

pacifist run

ripe obsidian
#

21? I am not sure I can count that high

fluid knot
#

Literally, dunno what he was doing coz he wasnt dead all the time, but like yikes man

ripe obsidian
#

Our Arbitrator in that last game went... dog, shock mine, and middle keystone

fluid knot
#

That... thats bad KEKW_ogryn

ripe obsidian
#

It was not good.

summer prairie
#

I guess Desperado doesn't really give meaningful damage when you already have infinite ammo from pickpocket

#

so supplies is more with that setup

ripe obsidian
#

I was very grateful for the stimm supply. All the missions we played tonight were blight spreads modifiers.

fluid knot
#

Meaningful damage no, but immunity to range is so stupidly busted overpowered on its own

zealous wing
#

ye just ask psyker

ripe obsidian
#

Plus, rending + strength stimm supply was lovely.

summer prairie
#

yes but you kind of also get it from Vulture's dodge, at least with dual autopistols

fluid knot
#

True

#

I must admit I think Gunscum is in a really unhealthy spot at the moment

ripe obsidian
#

Elaborate? I have not touched gunscum much. Melee is more fun

modest perch
#

it everything gungryn wishes it was

zealous wing
#

apparently, desperado autopistols outdamage inferno psyker

modest perch
#

super fun in morty trials with the right indulgences

ripe obsidian
zealous wing
#

yup

#

plus, more range

#

with zero repurcussions

summer prairie
#

it's not going to outdamage shriek psyker unless the rest of the team is also killing everythin gfast

zealous wing
#

psykers can at least explode

summer prairie
#

or he gets all the grenades

zealous wing
#

scum has... nothing to really consider a negative

ripe obsidian
icy breach
ripe obsidian
zealous wing
#

beacon is nice

ripe obsidian
#

Zealot is the weakest class right now, imo.

zealous wing
#

corruption immunity is better

ripe obsidian
#

It isn't close.

icy breach
weary sable
zealous wing
#

someone (i forget who) had a really good point

arby introduced, with rebreather and shockmines, rot armour introduced.
scum introduced with corruption immunity ability, blight comes back

zealous wing
#

its literally a pay to win havoc easy situation going on

ripe obsidian
#

I think it was me.

icy breach
zealous wing
#

i think it was too but am not sure

icy breach
#

Everything has its place & time to shine

weary sable
#

Rebreather is too situational and at the same time lulls you in a false sense of security.

ripe obsidian
zealous wing
#

scum can use heavy sword on carapace

#

its too strong

icy breach
ripe obsidian
#

If you can press the dodge button, Scum is OP

icy breach
ripe obsidian
#

Skill is more important than relative power.

icy breach
zealous wing
#

but, if you put skill with relative power, its noticable

icy breach
zealous wing
#

am using dclaw rn actually

wispy bay
#

I have trouble running stim pack ganger in higher difficulty.

zealous wing
#

dclaw and shredder autopistol on a psyker

icy breach
plucky flax
#

The cc nade from scummer is good but stuff has to die with melee hits

icy breach
#

You’ll see

zealous wing
#

im using mk 4 Sitgryn

wispy bay
#

People always hoard med stim and use it for themselves...

zealous wing
#

its more fun

plucky flax
#

And I think hyper violence or whatever doesnt trigger it?

#

Barely get back grenades during horde farm

icy breach
zealous wing
#

might switch when i step up from test runs to actual auric goober runs

#

see how each holds up

wispy bay
#

Like, I'm not a perfect player, I might get down sometimes, but the dude with 3 wounds and no corruption (thanks for my stim) always use the heal for themselves.

icy breach
zealous wing
#

im on psyker so

#

we'll see kekw

icy breach
zealous wing
#

lmfao

icy breach
#

I was talking about HS

wispy bay
#

Damn, Im the only one to run Mk7 Dclaw...

zealous wing
#

i just am used to mk4 tbh

wispy bay
#

On Vet though

icy breach
ripe obsidian
zealous wing
#

i do

#

feels like it anyway

icy breach
#

Be my lab rat

zealous wing
#

ill test in psyk rn see if theres a noticable difference

#

if its unsalvageable ill let you know

fluid knot
icy breach
ripe obsidian
#

Playing Psyker warps my view of balance

fluid knot
#

Yeah.. it is incredibly skilless to play

#

Lets be real, Psyker isnt in a particularly good spot either at the moment, but ranged Scum is on a whole other level of gamebreaking

zealous wing
#

noticably faster horde clear

ripe obsidian
#

The scum I was running with had 3x 3 stamina curios

wispy bay
#

The thing with Gunganger is that they immediately kill all of the trash mobs, so no one else can proc any bonus.

zealous wing
#

i think

#

maybe not

fluid knot
#

Immediately kill everything thats not an Ogryn, and keeping doing that for the rest of the game with no downtime

wispy bay
#

Meanwhile, even inferno psyker leaves a little bit of them for people to get some last hit to proc things.

fluid knot
#

The only thing they have to work for is Crusher, and even then, not very hard

zealous wing
#

ye idk mk 4 seems might be better for me

wispy bay
#

If you run stim ganger with a gun ganger, half of your talent tree is wasted.

ripe obsidian
#

Is melee scum in a bad place? I know not. Seems like it's maybe a bit too strong, but you are also made of paper and have to be very aware of your surroundings

#

Great damage output, but pretty limited utility and unforgiving of mistakes

wispy bay
#

Melee hooligan is fine. Rampage knock back node also triggers at the end, so you have quite a bit of a leeway to get out.

zealous wing
#

rampage can also save you from a dog if you had it active when you got dogged

ripe obsidian
#

I enjoy melee scum quite a lot. Ranged scum is boring.

#

It's like a less engaging version of inferno

#

Which is saying a lot.

wispy bay
#

Right, it also stops mutant, BoN and Spawn.

ripe obsidian
#

(Disclaimer: I like inferno a lot)

wispy bay
#

So if they grab you when you have rampage, the end duration knock back will cancel their grab.

icy breach
icy breach
ripe obsidian
#

In every game

wispy bay
#

But gunganger is bullshit because you can be immune to trapper net.

ripe obsidian
#

It's why I play Driller in DRG.

zealous wing
ripe obsidian
#

I don't think so.

wispy bay
#

Well, I was during my gameplay, but it could be a netcode thing.

ripe obsidian
#

But I can't test right now

#

Trappers have also been inconsistent lately.

wispy bay
#

Though, it is from the Vulture, not Desperado I think.

ripe obsidian
#

I watched a trapper net go through an ogryn ally and hit me the other day

zealous wing
#

imagine if ee worked on trapper nets and we just, never tried

ripe obsidian
wispy bay
#

Desperado is only ranged, Vulture is all damage.

icy breach
ripe obsidian
#

Not all damage.

#

Vulture does nothing to AoE

#

Overheads still kill you.

wispy bay
#

Right

ripe obsidian
#

buff keywords:
count_as_dodge_vs_ranged

Versus

buff keywords:
count_as_dodge_vs_melee
count_as_dodge_vs_ranged

#

They function identically for ranged attacks

#

Unrelated, the buffed Boom Bringer seems pretty good in skilled hands. And if you can let the scum vacuum up all the grenades

zealous wing
#

better than krak, but not regenerating

wispy bay
#

It was just krak without regen...

#

Yet I remember people* defending that, and they did badly in game.

winged trail
#

the rockets on launch were godawful lol

ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
winged trail
tulip kettle
#

its ogryn nuke with 3 charges

#

its, very good

ripe obsidian
#

Yes. It was much less good before the buffs

tulip kettle
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also gunscum definitely can outdamage inferno psyker for the reasons you identified

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everything already dead before it gets in range of the flames

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no need to ramp up stacks

ripe obsidian
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Alas.

tulip kettle
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just dump 280 rounds in 30 seconds for free while being damage immune and having giga move speed

ripe obsidian
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I wonder if and when the general population of the game will accept that Scum is insanely strong. I guess when a youtuber tells them so.

wispy bay
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Autopistol has higher damage per shot than fking Vrak Brauto.

ripe obsidian
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Psyker > Scum > Vet > Ogryn/Arby > Zealot, imo. A good Arby might edge out a good Ogryn, but in my experience a tauntgryn is just more consistent

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Though a very good Scum might be on par with a very good Psyker. Less utility, less defense, but fantastic mobility and offense.

high pulsar
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arby does more damage, ogryn does better control

tulip kettle
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and, also

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zealot can genuinely do much better dmg than arb or oggy

ripe obsidian
tulip kettle
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but nobody plays that zealot

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(its thammer shroudfield)

ripe obsidian
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A good stealth Zealot is nice to have in H40 if they actually know how to bonk

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Big if.

tulip kettle
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when you are doing 1 mil dmg and 500k of it is boss dmg

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that is actually worth and much more than the 400k dmg tauntgryn

ripe obsidian
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I had a stealth Zealot earlier who only 1-bopped a single boss.

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Most ended up losing a third to a half of their HP, then the Zealot fled

tulip kettle
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1 bops be hard

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weirdly, the bosses dont just stand there and let you perfectly backshot them in shroudfield

ripe obsidian
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Eh, I have had multiple bonk zealots kill every boss before anyone else touched them

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I can't do it

tulip kettle
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i have had much practice recently

ripe obsidian
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But a good amount of folks can

tulip kettle
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half the time it works

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half the time you are begging the psyker to just hold block against the cspawn instead of dodging for literally 2 seconds

ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
tulip kettle
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i am chasing records at this point

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current at 101650

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i must get a bigger bonk

icy breach
ripe obsidian
tulip kettle
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nope

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and i want that red crack in my veins