There's only Vraks5
#psyker-class
long wharf
is that infantry/braced/vigilant
deft stump
What's a braced?
strong gulch
Ye IAG Vraks 5
jovial juniper
And Vigis are more for dedicated marksman
deft stump
Is just <blank> autogun.
long wharf
I just assumed the one psykers prefer will be what Scummers should use
and it'll be about crit-maxxing
deft stump
I just assumed the one psykers prefer will be what Scummers should use
It is, actually.
jovial juniper
Yeah braced is NOT crit maxxing
deft stump
Get close and spray with vraks.
long wharf
gonna guess DumDum and Deathspitter
strong gulch
Ye, pretty much
strong gulch
there's fire frenzy deathspitter but more people do deathspitter
deft stump
why the Vraks?
Do you know the insane dps from it?
jovial juniper
why the Vraks?
Highest DPS
deft stump
Have you shot a boss with it?
long wharf
haven't played with it yet, still building
jovial juniper
Fire rate + finesse + ammo
deft stump
Good on every class but oggy, cos no access.
Only flaw is that it might be hard to aim on controller.
sturdy reef
braced auto on scummer is fun af
deft stump
okay, this is a tad silly with Desperado
A tad? Just?
ripe obsidian
You're a tad silly
deft stump
You're a tad silly
Wot.
deft stump
You heard me
Wot!
ripe obsidian
You are Karien "Sillypants" Lastname
valid kraken
chat has psyker always accrued peril whenever they take damage?
or am I going insane
deft stump
chat has psyker always accrued peril whenever they take damage?
Just a Dream.
25% DR but it goes to peril.
valid kraken
25% DR but it goes to peril.
wait really? I never noticed that at all
deft stump
wait really? I never noticed that at all
It's a talent node.
valid kraken
It's a talent node.
IT IS???
when TF did I spec into that?
is it by venting shriek perchance?
deft stump
No. Under psykinetic aura.
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ripe obsidian
Run or you get flamed
I'd like to see her try
plucky flax
I'd like to see her try
You're not afraid if anything 
ripe obsidian
I am not afraid of Karien, at least
ripe obsidian
oak echo
What's the damage diff between no-charge, half charge and full charge FGS special?
oak echo
This looks... Really complex
ripe obsidian
100 damage on no charge, 450 on med, 850 on full
And the range increases
By 2m, I believe, each tier
oak echo
Any difference in armor damage modifiers between charges?
I witnessed an h40 psyker just spam uncharged FGS specials, and I'm curious if it was just him entertaining himself, or if it actually served a purpose.
ripe obsidian
Does not appear to have ADM differences
Was it Dorfan?
FGS special does proc bleed from the bistol
oak echo
It was some random I met on the party finder
oak echo
FGS special does proc bleed from the bistol
So he was spamming bleed stacks all along?
oak echo
No. I play in HK.
ripe obsidian
Then probably not Dorfan
oak echo
Know what the conditions are to proc bleed with the fgs special?
Any particular blessings or talent nodes?
Or will just having puncture and a dream do
ripe obsidian
Just Puncture on the pistol
oak echo
That is some next level jank
ripe obsidian
And swapping to it once the special sweep is moving
Yeah. I have a macro I used in 1 game just to see how it worked. Got top damage and never did it again
oak echo
So you have to swap to the bistol between waves
ripe obsidian
Yup
ripe obsidian
Also yup
zealous wing
SIX
tulip kettle
@ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
Hi
zealous wing
BUSY!?
oak echo
I already struggle with dodge slides, let alone that kind of strange tech
ripe obsidian
Play a game without me. I will try to join in a bit
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zealous wing
barrel
zealous hinge
Do I not blow up from peril anymore?
zealous wing
Do I not blow up from peril anymore?
its a bug
strong gulch
A number of things are bugged.
zealous wing
it lags everyone in the match too
strong gulch
ye
zealous hinge
damn it, I wanted to explode things
quaint lark
damn it, I wanted to explode things
zealous hinge
what could possibly make me not explode? The only perk that affects it is the crystalline, but that just tweaks the boom
ripe obsidian
@tulip kettle
strong gulch
baby scum get burstered
ripe obsidian
Not positive if I use the II or the VI on the gun. It doesn't matter much.
Looks like I use the II
strong gulch
and we all fall down
@zealous wing That random that killed you was tanding behind the stack of boxes.
at the end
tulip kettle
BONESAW IS READYYYYYYYY
strong gulch
wtf lol
sniper shooting that burster away
thought it would explode like in a previous game
sus
smite being recced like that
strong gulch
purple burglar alarm
https://youtu.be/AC__o1UxDl8
jovial juniper
Im bout to be yelled at lol
Nah
Because
Smite is actually good
There's no denying that
quaint lark
Tell that to all the anti Smykers lol
quaint lark
See @jovial juniper here's a anti smyker lol
I think smite is amazing when used well
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tulip kettle
It's just Dom
quaint lark
https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-what-do-you-mean-hot-ones-gif-400190185...
Oooooooh roasted
got DAMN
Phew im feelin a lil heat stroke from it
quiet inlet
me for the last 12 minutes
strong gulch
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quaint lark
I ain't EVER seen someone put down so quick like ow
zealous wing
smite CAN be good... but the circumstances are so rare, and the versatility of it is so bad (nonexistent), and 99.9% of people think its for permanent use, its poorly thought out in its design/implementation, therefore, smite bad
plucky flax
There's a new mod on nexus claimed to fix the plasma gun lag bug
zealous wing
even when i tried, i cannot make smite work any sort of well in an offensive capacity. anything it does, assail does better, or another weapon.
and, should go without saying but it needs to be said, unfortunately...
if you have to make an entire build around making your supplimentary blitz function well, its a shit blitz
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quaint lark
even when i tried, i cannot make smite work any sort of well in an offensive cap...
How, mine works amazingly for me and I only built it around it bc ive always wanted to use lightning as a fighting tool since I was a kid, all because I saw Templar in Starcraft 1 do it in a fun way ive wanted to find a game where I could basically be a Templar and no other game does it like Darktide does and it feels amazing
zealous wing
smite doesnt kill, unless you sacrifice one of the two good keystones for empowered psionics, and even then, you HAVE to take scriers also
otherwise, smite does nothing, if you want to build a staff build with strong smite? no, you cant.
want to make a good gun build? no you cant.
want a good melee build? you cant.
its a back pocket tool, and thats it, it doesnt work great for up close combat
quaint lark
It does for me, I do it all around smite, my gun and melee are backups or just what I use in not intense parts
My melee is good so I dont worry and my shotgun takes care of what I need it to easily
Then again a anti Smyker doesnt know how to play it right i guess...
potent echo
Smyker
zealous wing
if youre smiting, youre not fighting
zealous wing
thats vent tho, vent itself doesnt increase smite DPS, which is what smykers are all about
brazen warren
Only thing about infinite smite is it does minimal boss damage and causes the psyker doing it to tunnel vision and forget to use their other more prominent tools for certain encounters. So most end up getting clipped by stuff they shouldn't or just don't move with the team well.
tulip kettle
brazen warren
so you kill the whole map except bosses and heavy armor, which is pretty good
wish there was a choice node to amp the peril cost but also the damage and spread of smite, as a choice
zap harder, not longer type thing
potent echo
I mean arby shock mine is pretty good
Replacing one entire character as a shock mine should be fine as well
brazen warren
parallel action always good
more tools at play than just cc horde clear but I digress
jovial juniper
Even base smite can kill poxxers
zealous wing
a shock mine can be left behind without spawning new things
a smyker will be left behind and spawn new things
jovial juniper
Bro left his shock mine behind
It's ok we don't have to talk about Trauma staff cosplayer today
strong gulch
blender
zealous wing
my thoughts are getting dangerous
strong gulch
zealous wing
why shouldnt i have a 3rd main psyker
hard choose tho which personality to go
i have a male seer already so maybe fem savant
(i dont like male savant)
i do like fem seer tho, she sounds so sweet most of the time
strong gulch
Most of the time ye
The pop SG and KILL KILL KILL KILL
or heal at nearly full and tell the others that healing is for real people and not dreams
but also get scared by a door
wispy bay
I don't usually like the sarcasms personality, but I like the loner.
wispy bay
I just take my online nickname, then use the Male and Female variations, lol.
zealous wing
the only character with a non-serious name is MisterBigglesworth
strong gulch
strong gulch
what a bro 🔥
zealous wing
no good sword yet but i have something workable at least
strong gulch
Good enough to level with
zealous wing
ye
wanna snag as many 76s as possible for the basic stuff if i can
but also not gonna gamble my life savings in the process
zealous wing
rip
if i did gamble, (might do that around lvl 12 or so if so), im setting a cap for what i stop at
on obscurus
wraith sphinx
It's ok we don't have to talk about Trauma staff cosplayer today
the what
zealous wing
higui cant accept arby shockmine is better than a permasmyker
wispy bay
Damn, I lost one of my 5 stunning tools.
zealous wing
i do find it fucking hilarious, that arby shockmine is so strong it got nerfed, tho, and smite keeps getting buffed
ripe obsidian
At this point, I think Arby is kinda eh. Not bad, but not great at anything. Jack of all trades kinda class.
zealous wing
and yet, "arby shockmine weaker than smyker"
a smyker can die, a shock mine cant
a shock mine also stuns for a very specific duration
smykers are random as hell
ripe obsidian
Psyker is great at everything, Scum is great at DPS and mobility, Ogryn is great at frontline, Vet is great at killing priority targets, Arby and Zealot both are.
ripe obsidian
Zealot has one specific build that stands out, ha
ripe obsidian
Yeah. Arby has been slowly nerfed into a lack of identity.
zealous wing
tbh FotF is also ok boss DPS
ripe obsidian
Gameplay identity*
zealous wing
marty is the only real keystone tho
ripe obsidian
Doggo is still a cool mechanic. Just not very useful
Hey, I was using Piety for my bleed knife
zealous wing
arby is the class you bring as the emergency recovery person
ripe obsidian
Arby is generally nice to have, but I basically never prefer them over vet or ogryn
zealous wing
i'd rather have a walking trauma staff with pocket smite (arby with BTL and shockmines), than an actual smyker
more hp
better toughness recovery
ripe obsidian
Psyker is good at everything
wispy bay
At this point, I think Arby is kinda eh. Not bad, but not great at anything. Jac...
That's what they are in the lore unironically. Stronger than average, but ultimately specialized in admin work.
zealous wing
psyker is good at everything, smykers are good at one thing
or, often times, bad at everything but THINK they're good at one thing
wispy bay
Also, the thing with shock mine is that you drop it and still go 100% combat power while it does its job.
Smite turns you into a 3 guys team in many situations, specially havoc.
zealous wing
"BuT tHe EnEmIeS aRe StUnNeD" 
until rage hits, red stims hit, or the game just says " 
"
wispy bay
Stun that gun line 20m away please...
Usually game ender with them because people have nothing but run out of the dome...
ripe obsidian
Level me
plucky flax
Arby is generally nice to have, but I basically never prefer them over vet or og...
Why not arby over ogryn?
modest perch
probably cus ogryn has better cc due to that cake flattening everything on dodge
also seems like everyone wants a tauntbot (pls kill me i hate playing taunt so much)
zealous wing
why? genuine question
i like taunt, lets me fight everything
also, if beans is still here, i was able to get all these 76ers at lvl 6 for about 20k melkies. ( 4 force swords for one for each mark, easier to grab instead of forgetting to change mark all the time, and one spare incase i want to do testing). need to get higher lvl to get access to more weapons, so, here's hoping the chances dont dwindle too much too quickly 
i even got rid of a TON of duplicates
strong gulch
Hmm. I wonder if it's different for scum and / arby.
zealous wing
might be
strong gulch
On psyker I can 76s reliably and baby level. Like 9 and lower.
zealous wing
i do have another slot, but, i wanna get this one kitted out before i go wasting 20k melks on a scum ill delete after
but, if i have it to spare, i can do such testing
just, heres hoping i remember to test lmao
solar sparrow
anyone here play bubble knight in h40
zealous wing
looking for a slot or just advice
if you need one, cant help you, but i do run bubbleknight sometimes
solar sparrow
advice
- does it actually keep up in damage
- how do you keep peril up? by throwing out assails frequently?
and at what percentage should I try to keep my peril?
zealous wing
- your main goal isnt damage, but you should be focusing on specials and elites, with some horde clear if its needed, but it can definitely keep up in damage, with skill.
- yes, by weaving assail, and using the special on the FGS (when you have an opening to)
- about 80ish
solar sparrow
also I am using this build, is it good?
zealous wing
we indeed use bubbleknight
@plucky flax youre still relevent 
( 💚 )
but ye, its good
it allows you to be support while also being able to play, its nice
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> youre still relevent <a:kekw:1255248850608717969> ( 💚 )
Never heard of that guy
zealous wing
80 peril is the minimum for unstable power to hit maximum
if 80 is too stressful for you though, just stay above 60, and slowly increase as you get more comfortable
plucky flax
anyone here play bubble knight in h40
I do play it and I know syllo play it too
modest perch
why? genuine question
i find it boring especially cus it rly wants club spam which is a gross perversion of what the club used to be
summer prairie
the damage is barely different from SG builds
I think people overestimate how good SG is
zealous wing
sg just makes it mugh easier to maintain that peril
wispy bay
SG was created mainly to run with gun psyker, of course it wouldn't be as good as an ability specifically buffing your melee.
strong gulch
You'd be surprised at people taking about how rampage is worse than SG in every way. Something something eventually rampage runs out no matter how many enemies you hit. So rampage is worse.
Actual thing I heard today.
summer prairie
It lasts way longer than SG unless you are horde farming, granted there's a short cooldown
strong gulch
Right
plucky flax
Psyker when hit by the rampage debuff 
summer prairie
okay way longer is an exaggeration
acoustic jacinth
Well, obviously SG is superior because psyker has it and psykers are cool
wraith sphinx
TRUE
wispy bay
SG cool start right after you use it, it does reset the progress, but whatever.
Rampage CD only starts after it ends.
acoustic jacinth
I'd like to see the hive scum hive scum his way to mk6 fgs SG + DD damage
wispy bay
Also, there is not crit chance buff, but otherwise the double hyper nodes go crazy.
summer prairie
+10% damage and +20% crit isn't a lot for an ability. It does a lot of things but it's not big damage unless you on average can get the stacks up very high
zealous wing
a random moment to appreciate how good this torso is
its hard to make anything look really bad with this torso
wispy bay
I hate that cog piece...
summer prairie
I think they should buff By crack of bone for more elite kill peril reduction
wispy bay
In fact, I hate every dangling metallic cog pieces.
zealous wing
gotta protect the important bits
wispy bay
No, it is dangling, it would it your bit more than anything else.
zealous wing
femoral artery is a very bad place to get wounded
also i think getting hit by it is better than being shot there
acoustic jacinth
+10% damage and +20% crit isn't a lot for an ability. It does a lot of things bu...
Which always happens if you're playing even decently well tbh. For meleeker for example, literally just weakspot kill any trash, it could not get simpler
wispy bay
At least it is not as bad as the Ganger torsos, they have a long yet thin piece...
Literally made to hit your groin.
summer prairie
I don't think it always does in h40, at least with fgs you want to be fighting elites not wasting time on trash
well, it's tricky since your special is big damage too so you could be farming for that but still elites are a priority
regal zinc
question is it only me or i feel like psycher started lacking a bit lately
like
ogryn big , resistent, got rocks and the nuke nade, all good
vet got krak
zealot is a good zerker or priest with aoe
arbites... abit boring but self sustainable
hivescum got 3 working fun builds and rocketlauncher is just perfect
yet psycher... is squishy af and kinda lacks the concept of low hp high dmg... (talking abt diff 4 and above)
summer prairie
I haven't played pure melee focused SG builds in a while, curious what the stack averages are like
wispy pumice
question is it only me or i feel like psycher started lacking a bit lately
like...
psyker has some of the most toughness regen in the whole game
wispy bay
question is it only me or i feel like psycher started lacking a bit lately
like...
You just started to play Psyker?
wraith sphinx
I haven't played pure melee focused SG builds in a while, curious what the stack...
With by crack of bone, guaranteed braindead 30
Without, it depends
wispy bay
That sword alone can kill all of those crushers.
regal zinc
You just started to play Psyker?
i have played before with the brainrupture and was good, maybe they reset my build and i havent played in a while and forgot how to make it right but felt quite lacking (i play double barel, melee and brain boom , so if u got a good build would gladly accept it )
wispy pumice
double barrel on the wizard, kinda based
zealous wing
we dont use DB often, but i know ainz uses DB with obscurus
wispy bay
Hold on there... even when BB was "good", it wasn't.
zealous wing
i think they mean they played fine
regal zinc
double barrel on the wizard, kinda based
I CAST DOUBLE BUCKSHOT
zealous wing
wispy bay
Anyhow, if you think that ganger with 3 stiff builds is fun, then you haven't see how many fun build Psyker has.
acoustic jacinth
I don't think your average is 30
I mean even logically, think about it, how hard is it to hit heads with a sword or a crit with gun a few times (TTS). Pair it with quietude too and you've got insane passive toughness gen whilst at it
wispy bay
i have played before with the brainrupture and was good, maybe they reset my bui...
Check pin
zealous wing
^ we have a build guide
wispy pumice
I CAST DOUBLE BUCKSHOT
if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
summer prairie
It's easy to say, but lets see the average with Uptime
regal zinc
Anyhow, if you think that ganger with 3 stiff builds is fun, then you haven't se...
BRO PUMPING DRUGS IN YOU, AND GOING FULL FENZY WITH A FKIN CROWBAR IS THE MOST SATYSFYING SHT EVER
wispy bay
It is a high celling class, but it can basically do everything.
summer prairie
BCoB is bad for elites
zealous wing
BRO PUMPING DRUGS IN YOU, AND GOING FULL FENZY WITH A FKIN CROWBAR IS THE MOST S...
if you think crowbar is satisfying....
hollow summit
Is running soulblaze on crit for force sword good
hollow summit
I am doing ek staff tho
zealous wing
dont ever put blazing spirit on your melee
zealous wing
PC is not on crit
acoustic jacinth
BCoB is bad for elites
Wdym? Even on crushers you have an insane ttk on meleeker, it's not like you won't proc SG stacks easily with precog too
wraith sphinx
Oh
regal zinc
if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
im more melee based in all these games, so yeah what made me fall in love with the psycher at first was a sword that obiterates and entire wave and the ability to explode the brains of all elites and specials
hollow summit
Basically another source of soulblaze for me without needing to kill a special or shriek
zealous wing
usually melee builds run assail, as a way to maintain peril and weave some malefic momentum in
BB on melee usually not great, but, if theres not something there in the guide i can modify a build to fit bb a bit better
wispy bay
im more melee based in all these games, so yeah what made me fall in love with t...
You haven't discover the power of Vblast or meleepsyker yet.
hollow summit
Wdym by soulblaze
Le blessing
wispy bay
Also, on the defensive, wall or dome are the very best abilities in the game, it was the only way to pass H40 for a while.
(When they over buffed gunners)
zealous wing
Basically another source of soulblaze for me without needing to kill a special o...
blazing spirit is sad, on anything but trauma, really. if you want good fire spread, you need a blazing trauma or inferno, otherwise you'll have scraps
hollow summit
What should I take on force sword then
wispy bay
Combustion, Kinetic frayer and Venting can delete a horde by itself.
zealous wing
a crit with a good sword usually kills anyway
hollow summit
I mean its primarily a zap build
acoustic jacinth
What should I take on force sword then
Uncanny + unstable/deflection
wispy bay
I mean its primarily a zap build
M1 EK?
hollow summit
M2
wispy bay
You will do way more damage with Nexus and Flurry.
acoustic jacinth
M2
Flurry + warp nexus on a good shriek build and you're set, just spam the shit out of it
wispy bay
The dot from M2 EK is too tiny.
hollow summit
I only pull out the sword if I have no space to quell
zealous wing
I only pull out the sword if I have no space to quell
this means you want things dead, not just on fire
the faster they die, the better
hollow summit
Ye but I do need a firestarter
wispy bay
Combustion is all you need if you want fire.
regal zinc
i was a zealot main then psycher then ogryn , tried vet and felt bored ((not bcs is bad but bcs is... well just a good soldier... anyways im in a game where ogryns and psychers exist, not gonna play a simple soldier) then arbiter but kinda got bored cuz is vet but with a dog and then fell in love with hivescum cuz insane melee, fun toxin build and STIMMSS
hollow summit
If shriek is unavailable
wispy bay
M2 EK hit only 2 targets at the time... it is very bad.
zealous wing
sometimes three
EK is mainly a specialist/elite targeter
as such, PC should be enough to get a small fire going, then wildfire can pick up the slack generally
broken carbon
EK is mainly a specialist/elite targeter
no trust me zapping this horde is helping so much trust me
what’s a melee weapon anyway,,,,
hollow summit
Im following the ek build from the pins
zealous wing
and as long as you take psykinetic aura and warp siphon, youll have shriek back pretty quick
but, i will say
that does depend on difficulty
specifically, density
higher density/difficulty tends to make soulblaze as a whole stronger
wispy bay
i was a zealot main then psycher then ogryn , tried vet and felt bored ((not bcs...
Psyker can out scale all other classes. You need to have good movement tech as defensive mechanic though.
hollow summit
I'm only playing on heresy atm and the enemy density is not enough to keep warp charges topped off lol
zealous wing
ye sounds about right
wispy bay
Even if you can start fire blazing spirit, it needs Warp nexus to reliably proc.
But then, you have a very slow M2 EK to be useful.
zealous wing
you cant put blazing on ek
hollow summit
Ye, have the masteries for it but low power
zealous wing
they'd be sacrificing melee to blazing spirit
wispy bay
Oh, right, I forgot. (Just in case you don't know, that the reason for the 4 extra mastery point)
It was supposed to be there.
zealous wing
what extra four
wispy bay
Oh? They changed it...
hollow summit
I'm putting blazing on me force sword?
wispy bay
Nah, not even
zealous wing
you shouldnt, but, at the very very least, take uncanny
zealous wing
just know with blazing spirit, youre sacrificing damage for a blessing that does not work as well as one would hope
wispy bay
Just use Combustion, Heresy mobs die too quickly for soul blaze to get any meaning effect anyway.
zealous wing
blazing spirit mainly goes on voidblast for blazing trauma, otherwise you dont get much use out of the blessing
wispy bay
Like, if you have uncanny, you can 1 hit most things bellow scab rager.
Even with wildfire, you will turn it off with the melee because the melee out speed the spread.
zealous wing
not necessarily, but it can happen
it does mean when an enemy on fire dies, meaning by any method
wispy bay
Yes, but only 4 stacks spread, if there are 4 enemies around the killed one, then 1 stack each.
zealous wing
wild fire is underappreciated
if you dont use it, you FEEL the difference
its really strong
dom can explain better, or six
wispy bay
I tried with Illisi in Auric long ago, it does speed wildfire.
wispy bay
I mean, it works, but not with melee.
wispy bay
well illisi sucks <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
Yes, but it is the better way if you want to use blazing spirit on melee.
hollow summit
Is that a mark
broken carbon
obscurus got love but now illisi needs some
wispy bay
because it doesnt damage much
And yet it out pace wildfire...
wispy bay
Yes, for fun.
wispy bay
The other 2 marks are much sadder for blazing spirit to be meaningful at all.
wispy bay
I have the mark with the horizontal cleave heavies
It is the Illisi.
zealous wing
might as well take a bleed knife at that point tho
hollow summit
Genuinely just swapped from knife
wispy bay
FGS kill even faster, have blazing spirit is like having no blessing.
hollow summit
Idk what to take for knife tbh
Just doing punch stab
And light spam for hordes
I guess bleed is good?
acoustic jacinth
sexy illisi doesnt keep up with much
Right? It's beaufiful but painfully ass. It's like a, sorry excuse for the horde clear fgs offers but not even at that level
Still
Beautiful
wispy bay
Uncanny with Flesh tear or Riposte or Precognition
hollow summit
Hmmm
zealous wing
or, big bonk
hollow summit
Flesh tear then, since im critting a lot and rending bleed gud
zealous wing
you could also just.... give m1 a try knife makes it pure ADHD mode
acoustic jacinth
FT/Lacerate help with horde clear too
hollow summit
Eh, too old for high apm shit
worn willow
Hello
I have a question
In my talent tree, I see some perks which beneficit warp dammages
Does it apply to the psyker stick, void's explosion ?
marble crater
All staves, force sword special attack and soulblaze are warp damage, so yes
worn willow
thank you 🙂
plucky flax
Which always happens if you're playing even decently well tbh. For meleeker for ...
I dont play bcob with sg melee build in h40
acoustic jacinth
Well yeah, bubble knight is smarter
Was just more discussing uptime
Its not difficult to upkeep regardless of what you play
Bcob + precog SG is easy stacks
plucky flax
No i mean when i play with gaze i dont pick bcob too cos I want high peril
hollow summit
somehow that's not in the acronym list
deft stump
It's the peril reduction on melee one.
regal zinc
no bro idk full build for brain burst and dont even 2shot a gigant with a hammer (forgot the name) on diff 3, wtf>?? that is ass, and i followed a brainburst build fron there
hollow summit
ye
zealous wing
however you can make it do some serious damage
regal zinc
good on swarms with the sword but in rest same opinion, is just lacking, i stay 2 minutes 2 cast the brainrupture on a gigant with venting shriek and it doesnt even die, that is just bad, as i was saying psych is lacking, a krak is faster and better, a bazooka is faster and better, zealot melts them in 2 shot with the hammer, ogryn rocks or nukes are better... psycher is heavily lacking on higher diffs, ability takes alooot to casts and is laking dmg hard, this class needs a buff ngl
zealous wing
...
did you even watch the clip id sent
idk about you but, killing 30 crushers in as many seconds is pretty fuckin good
auric crushers, btw
also, again, BB isnt a main weapon, its a tool
regal zinc
but why is bb so damn baddd bruhhhhhh
regal zinc
2 hits on a crushed diff 3 and doesnt die? cuz i ran it for test
zealous wing
2 hits on a crushed diff 3 and doesnt die? cuz i ran it for test
this is just on my inferno build
i didnt even activate any other talents, started at 0
also, krak, rockets, they take grenade boxes or time to regen(kraks only), BB is completely free to cast
you literally just, cant begin the cast at 100, but you can begin the cast at 95 for example and be perfectly fine
wispy bay
BB can kill most human size target without aiming, which is the most important feature.
Removing snipers, gunners, flamers, trappers bombers, etc from far away.
If you need to use it on crusher, it is just hopeless...
zealous wing
if you NEED to use it on a crusher, its likely the crusher is busy with someone else, not you, and youre far away
wispy bay
if you NEED to use it on a crusher, its likely the crusher is busy with someone ...
Just run up to them with melee, it is probably faster...
zealous wing
but calling psyker weak when its the strongest class is hilarious and idk how to frame it nicely, ill be honest
BB cant nuke 3 crushers at once, therefore bad is a weird take
wispy pumice
BB cant nuke 3 crushers at once, therefore bad is a weird take
But your anti everything can’t one shot a crusher so worst class in the game
wispy bay
Even the strongest players from other classes respect psykers.
zealous wing
also, we arent actually much glass now
zealous wing
some of the strongest toughness regen, and we have the single strongest damage reduction talent in the game right now
wispy bay
Also had the quickest stam regen until Ganger.
zealous wing
^
wispy bay
Ganger is very stam dependent, unlike psyker.
wraith sphinx
Stimm dependent? I play hivescum stimmless and have zero issues
wispy bay
Even defensive build psyker will top damage in havoc 40. You are playing on heresy, you haven't see the sharp fall off of many weapons.
zealous wing
ah ye btw red stim, 2 shot auric crusher with BB
wraith sphinx
Who, me? I play auric maelstroms
wispy bay
Not you Rem.
wraith sphinx
Okay
wispy bay
The dude above saying Psyker the weakest class.
zealous wing
its a shame tbh, psyker is crazy fun and literally gets stronger the higher the difficulty
wraith sphinx
Oh shit I haven't seen one of those in a hot minute
zealous wing
cant one shot a crusher with BB therefore weak
2-3 shot, not enough, unlimited attacks, also not enough
zinc phoenix
The dude above saying Psyker the weakest class.
He’s making a joke
zealous wing
didnt seem like it
wraith sphinx
Did nobody ask him for his build
wraith sphinx
The only way I could concieve psyker being squish is if you run only one toughgen talent and skip jad, imf, owtw
wispy bay
But he plays Heresy, which is not great for psyker scalling.
wispy bay
He hasn't come to the breakpoint of the vast majority of the weapons in game yet.
wraith sphinx
He's probably getting toughness starved by bad hivescum using heresy to farm penances too
zealous wing
if its got BB, its got a staff most likely, which means quietude is probably on there
and/or soul stealer
even if its just poxxers it should be fine
wraith sphinx
Not necessarily
zealous wing
if quietude is on there, absolutely
zinc phoenix
didnt seem like it
“But your anti everything can’t one shot a crusher so worst class in the game”
That’s clearly a joke
zealous wing
THAT was a joke, from a different person
zealous wing
good on swarms with the sword but in rest same opinion, is just lacking, i stay ...
this is what we're talking about
literally saying psyker damage is seriously lacking, which, we are most absolutely not
zinc phoenix
good on swarms with the sword but in rest same opinion, is just lacking, i stay ...
Your build sucks 🤷♀️
zealous wing
or, they're doing something wrong, which is also possible
zinc phoenix
I think skill issue comes in many forms
zealous wing
however
ye
it IS heresy so literally anything on psyker works very well there
you'd have to try really hard to intentionally make something suck to struggle there build wise
i even noticed distinct difference between lvl 1 psyker in heresy vs lvl 1 psyker in auric, the starter weapons, while still ass, do still perform somewhat in heresy
cunning pivot
what’s the dump for the inferno staff?
zealous wing
warp res
cunning pivot
thanks
zealous wing
everything psyker except voidstrike (and very very specific builds) is warp res dump
cunning pivot
good to know
deft stump
i even noticed distinct difference between lvl 1 psyker in heresy vs lvl 1 psyke...
He said 2 hits to thunderhammer crusher in heresy. Pretty sure a good zealot just one shots bosses then, right?
zealous wing
if they're running the good SF thammer build, yeah
zealous wing
lots of character switching tonight for me oh my
i thought it sounded odd, so time to test
deft stump
forgot to press chastise?
Maybe using ironhelm mark with book, maybe.
zealous wing
without any marty stacks, its one strong power bonk, and a light bonk
wispy bay
Double brittle (Normal + Bonesaw coating) and shrouded Thammer can delete some bs.
zealous wing
full marty stacks, oneshot
not even in shroudfield
just, power bonk, and its gone
on crucis btw))
deft stump
No stacks sf/fury?
zealous wing
just this
on heresy, specifically
just to be clear, since, thats what the oddness was about
wispy bay
Oh, make more sense now.
I mean, you can still 1 bonk in auric, but it is not reliable enough.
deft stump
Yeah, but guy said heresy.
I'm pretty sure I saw SF/Fury zealots 1 shot anything big.
zealous wing
ESPECIALLY sf
deft stump
Also bonk goes crushers.
zealous wing
ye
wispy bay
I mean, it is the highest 1 hit damage in game.
deft stump
And considering if everything goes right, I can half a boss hp on knoife sf heavy strike.
wispy bay
I think the 2nd strongest is the chain axe... but that animation takes age to finish.
deft stump
And I run crits so, lul.
zealous wing
she doesnt even get a chance to wake up she just dead
wispy bay
With brittle coating from ganger, you might not even need the Shroud upgrade.
zealous wing
six was pulling a zealot on DH as HS
they were about halfway dead tho
by the time the bar showed up at least
wispy bay
I did a few run on the event.
zealous wing
with the stam regen tho, unironically, use a DC to parry the bitch to death with tox
wispy bay
Oh right, parry crit still applies tox.
deft stump
with the stam regen tho, unironically, use a DC to parry the bitch to death with...
Funniest kill is parrying the DH to death, I guess.
zealous wing
not as fast as you have to wait for her to hit, but youll be completely safe, ignoring the corruption you can easily undo with a crate
wispy bay
Imagine parrying with sabre, because you can crit even more often.
zealous wing
not spammable
wispy bay
But we don't have that for ganger.
zealous wing
also true, but even so
deft stump
DS parry is more timing required.
Very spicy on 300+ ping.
But funny with that knockback node.
hollow summit
eh what do we dump on fgs
hollow summit
ah, figured
zinc phoenix
as much as possible
Depends on if you’re playing high peril or low peril
inland gate
How are you meant to use inferno staff, spam m1 or use m2
wispy bay
Situation dictates
zinc phoenix
If you’re going high peril then dump it to as low as you can, if you’re going low peril for eternal SG you want 60 wr minimum
wispy bay
M2 for hordes, M1 to stun
inland gate
M2 for hordes, M1 to stun
Ah okay
zinc phoenix
M1 can also be nice for building stacks or peril quickly
inland gate
Also wrap nexus or penetrating flames?
zinc phoenix
Definitely pita
acoustic jacinth
Also wrap nexus or penetrating flames?
Warp nexus + blaze away on inferno with flak + unyielding (for bulwarks) or maniac
M1 is really just for the stagger on demand
You'll want to m2 most of the game
Take a good uncanny strike melee for trivializing crushers
wraith sphinx
Yeah diddypick kinda fell off
wraith sphinx
I wouldn't have minded a damage nerf but the stagger special removal was a bit too much for me
Now I never use dsword
And when I want to I use taxe instead
deft stump
Duelling sword i like for krieg cosplay but thats bout it
Commissar, lul.
hollow summit
uh, what perks for stabby knife
wraith sphinx
Uncanny flesh tearer @hollow summit
wraith sphinx
I think I did on mine? Been forever since I ran ek doe
acoustic jacinth
You'd be lacking horde clear with knife + EK but shriek and assail do work
hollow summit
im running bb for kinetic
wraith sphinx
I'm having much more fun with can opener voidstrike for that purpose
tulip kettle
If running KF EK you need FGS for horde clear
Recently I have been using assail + knife/ds and I think it's just better
Shriek on EK is just sadness
wraith sphinx
I think assail is the best hordeclearer too
inland gate
I feel like i been doing so little dmg with psyker and idk why
tulip kettle
Just not understanding the class, bad use of mechanics, badly built tree,badly built weapons
acoustic jacinth
Shriek on EK is just sadness
Wdym?
wraith sphinx
Psyker is tanky as shit, so yeah skissue
tulip kettle
Shriek is bad on EK
acoustic jacinth
Scriers is good for m1 but for m2 EK shriek is better
tulip kettle
Your tree building is bad
acoustic jacinth
You aren't really explaining much
M1 EK and M2 EK play too differently to be fit into one and the same
tulip kettle
M2 build is leaning on WU + Syphon to give infinite 100 peril casting
acoustic jacinth
Infinite 100 peril casting does less than shriek
tulip kettle
Wrong
gray juniper
@jovial juniper help bro help. This chapter 3 resolution sucks. Am I playing it safe and removing a liability by executing yrliet or am I missing out on something important later?
acoustic jacinth
You're not even using SG at that point. You're missing out on its active buffs just to M2 spam
tulip kettle
?
Yes? But also the active time isn't insignificant and if you understand how to time it it's a significant burst DPS increase
acoustic jacinth
So is shriek, moreso literally, VECT did this like a month ago in h40 we talked about it before
acoustic jacinth
Plus you understand that reality anchor exists?
Even with quietude + anchor you'll be spending considerable time quelling to keep your stacks building though
Atp just use shriek and tap quell like usual
tulip kettle
Look, you can listen to "you are blocking this player" idm
And no, the entire point is not quelling at all
And 6 stacks of blaze is nothing in H40
gray juniper
With the new tree I’ve had fun using lighting staff and sword to recycle scriers gaze and see how frequent I can keep my name on the kill list. It’s definitely not pointless to make a spam build for it
tulip kettle
And clearing trash is not your primary focus on M2 EK
acoustic jacinth
Then you won't get any damage or considerable bonuses from SG again
acoustic jacinth
I mean, have you used both and pulled more damage in scoreboard with one or the other?
acoustic jacinth
Something you can nearly reach the same results with yourself via good edging, and doing more damage via shriek spamming
gray juniper
Using anything else is for when the chaff builds up too high and that’s it
tulip kettle
Who cares about "muh more dmg on scoreboard" when it's farming pox with shriek
acoustic jacinth
Soulblaze from shriek + sb talents themselves are more than just that let's be real, especially with the elite/special density you see in aforementioned h40
tulip kettle
Go take shriEK into rot armour and tell me it's doing anything
gray juniper
It’s not doing jack
tulip kettle
Factual
zealous wing
only thing that matters is getting that killfeeeeeeed
gray juniper
Even the mighty inferno staff becomes a proc machine only
acoustic jacinth
Go take shriEK into rot armour and tell me it's doing anything
Obscurus force sword will do a better job than m2 EK spam on SG
Ttk is still slower
zealous wing
can you see the moment i realised how much shit was in there
i went rabid to get there first
zealous wing
no, yes
tulip kettle
:(
zealous wing
we doing kariens missions grind on malice atm, pop in whenever and we change things up after
tulip kettle
im gonna scummmmm
zealous wing
cannot wait to never see vent purge, pox gas, and lights out again
inland gate
I was wondering if im not understanding something, i feel like i been playing alright but i feel my dmg is tickling enemies
hollow summit
ek doesnt deal with crushers very well...
hollow summit
I was wondering if im not understanding something, i feel like i been playing al...
what's your build
tulip kettle
I was wondering if im not understanding something, i feel like i been playing al...
what build are you trying to run
inland gate
The inferno staff bubble
wraith sphinx
Burga psyker!!! 
tulip kettle
so, just watch and try to understand what is happening, then ask questions
zealous wing
you gotta ping me when you want something
tulip kettle
i was memeing dude you good
inland gate
But i can barely kill a horde enemy
acoustic jacinth
ek doesnt deal with crushers very well...
Yeah, which is why we were having the discussion
Imo, there's not much point in m2 sg spam because you can just obscurus the crushers instead and kill everything else faster via shriek and do more damage than everyone in the end.
inland gate
Not just big bois
inland gate
No
zealous wing
But i can barely kill a horde enemy
are you left mouse button or right mouse button-ing
tulip kettle
maybe using a 100 power level staff might have something to do with it?
inland gate
I was told to spam m1 at first then told to m2 hordes and m1 to stun
summer prairie
why are we pretending ek shriek is only 6 stacks
inland gate
maybe using a 100 power level staff might have something to do with it?
Its 400 power
tulip kettle
why are we pretending ek shriek is only 6 stacks
because it is?
summer prairie
around 10s cooldown and ways to reapply it
tulip kettle
right but thats cheating
and at that point, you arent playing EK are you
youre playing shriek
acoustic jacinth
why are we pretending ek shriek is only 6 stacks
Because sb totally doesn't completely snowball with enemy density and KF + wildfire
inland gate
maybe using a 100 power level staff might have something to do with it?
Im using balzing away, pen flame, flak dmg and unyield dmg
summer prairie
acoustic jacinth
and at that point, you arent playing EK are you
Well yeah because EK is worse compared to the other staffs so this is how you mend for the damage loss
acoustic jacinth
Shriek will melt even more specials + elites whilst you are literally nearly the same by just tap quelling
tulip kettle
if your whole build is sjriek then its not really an EK build is it
its a shriek build
inland gate
Also what staff is the strongest overall staff, i asked one thing but no one gave me a straight answer
acoustic jacinth
What does that matter though, you are trying so hard to play the staff you end up doing worse
cold ivy
Also what staff is the strongest overall staff, i asked one thing but no one gav...
depends on what you want to kill
tulip kettle
its literally nonsensical
zealous wing
Also what staff is the strongest overall staff, i asked one thing but no one gav...
inferno, then trauma
tulip kettle
Also what staff is the strongest overall staff, i asked one thing but no one gav...
in the hardest difficulty content its inferno
but inferno gets weaker the lower the difficulty
inland gate
inferno, then trauma
Trauma?
tulip kettle
voidblast, trauma is the old name
acoustic jacinth
farming a million damage into shrieking poxwalkers means nothing
Soulblaze doesn't apply to only pox yknow, and PC will snowball your amazing EK TTK on general elites + specials even further
Shriek even further so
cold ivy
inferno kills all soft targets within 16m with basically no effort, and can handle carapace with uncanny stacking while doing pretty good damage to bosses
tulip kettle
and if you run your shriek build with an inferno psyker youre gonna be getting jack shit out of it
or gimping each other
the whole reason to run EK in a 40 is because there is already a burga
acoustic jacinth
I mean, i'm curious to see a SG EK mk2 build that outdoes elite/special kills of a shriek EK m2, by all means man, but i have never seen that
tulip kettle
it consistently will
summer prairie
great mod
tulip kettle
and will also be worse than just surge surge
so if we're going down that route why play M2 EK at all
acoustic jacinth
Literally just for variety, in reality of course inferno/voidblast outperform completely
There's not much point to it other than that
tulip kettle
great mod
cool af but i cant imagine game legibility will be great running this in a live game 😅
summer prairie
This kind of mods usually only work on local server
acoustic jacinth
Agree to disagree ig. I don't believe that players can do more with SG m2 warp unbound spam with literally no use of its bonuses like M1 EK has for example
marble crater
No, play shriek, especially if there is another Inferno psyker
marble crater
tulip kettle
something like this with nexus flurry EK and a knife is actually playing M2 EK
and doesnt compete with your burga psyker
zealous wing
the fact that you think you need shriek with soulblaze to deal reasonable damage on ek says a lot about the current state of EK, ngl
zealous wing
rather than build on its strengths, youd rather just have a shriek machine build going
acoustic jacinth
Precisely
tulip kettle
and if you think you need the shrieks to horde clear when you have 100% peril warp splitting warp rider ethereal assails going
zealous wing
SG builds on EKs strengths, and is more fun, shriek is just, not ek
tulip kettle
then just, idk
you arent playing EK, you are playing shriek, and gimping your soulblaze psyker
acoustic jacinth
and if you think you need the shrieks to horde clear when you have 100% peril wa...
You don't need it, that's what you have fgs for, shriek is for sb spam on, literally everything minus crushers which of course you mk6 fgs to death
Why is there always a sb psyker in my team
acoustic jacinth
You're assuming i always have a sb psyker after me every match
tulip kettle
PLAY THE EK
acoustic jacinth
I get your point don't get me wrong, but i'm content with what warp flurry gives me, it's enough m2 spam to enjoy the staff
I don't need to be perma spamming all match on warp unbound to really feel... varied? In playstyle
zealous wing
but youre just using it as a peril generation stick...
gray juniper
There’s an undercurrent of people hating using staffs in this game
acoustic jacinth
but youre just using it as a peril generation stick... <:Sitgryn:101626942063876...
Partially, but, i enjoy its m2 that's why i play it in the first place otherwise i'd just be back to inferno/vb
Like again, i get it lol
But it's enough for me
And 9/10 times i'm a lone psyker
But yes, i would not play my psyker were it a shriek psyker in the team
Of course
Counterintuitive at best
marble crater
you arent playing EK, you are playing shriek, and gimping your soulblaze psyker
You make it sound like that is a bad thing
gray juniper
True that’s useful for high difficulty
But if you want technical mastery Dom is right
acoustic jacinth
Atp you're just doing it for the fun of the staff
Which i mean, yeah sure
Course
People would play bubble inferno psyker all day otherwise
gray juniper
Ek has a lot of potential and i believe he’s tried to explain how gaze and warp power blessing are meant to fill in performance gaps
Bubble inferno sucks
acoustic jacinth
They fill its gaps and it is still not enough with its gaps filled, that's more or less my point. You're trying to gold spray paint poop
acoustic jacinth
Yes, EK
zealous wing
shriek does NOTHING to increase EKs damage
acoustic jacinth
But not your psyker
Yes
But that is only relevant to ek
Not your gameplay as psyker
Which again
Sad times we live in
But sb better
gray juniper
Bubble flame is always the same tragedy. You mash buttons frantically to manage peril and kill everything in range while meticulously dodging to covers. It’s going too smooth so your team gets carried away and get themselves downed. You and the other surviving member have to clutch a high havoc. The clutch goes out
acoustic jacinth
Yes, literally
zealous wing
if youre worried enough about damage that you take ek with shriek, just take inferno or trauma.
if you want variety, play a staff and try to make it work
see if EK can work as an EK, not a peril stick
gray juniper
They fill its gaps and it is still not enough with its gaps filled, that's more ...
Man straight bs. It’s a great staff
acoustic jacinth
I mean yeah, that's how you see staffs, i don't. I still enjoy playing to the class's strengths. Like, this is literally irrelevant outside of "taste" and "fun" because in gameplay reality sb will always be better
acoustic jacinth
Man straight bs. It’s a great staff
Like as you said
Inferno literally makes others sleep its so good
gray juniper
It’s a folly of observations is why. It’s not supreme. It’s definitely just easier to use
summer prairie
People played EK shriek builds since launch and now somehow it's not playing the staff
tulip kettle
idk if you are hard leaning on shriek PC then its a soulblaze build is it not?
you could use any staff or a gun
gray juniper
Inferno staff is the best at clearing close encounters. That’s it. When your team doesn’t understand pacing or manage their priority targets then everyone fails
acoustic jacinth
you could use any staff or a gun
Yes, but as you well know, some have better synergy whether it be because of innate peril gen or generating sb like voidblast's blessing which is nuts for dps
summer prairie
The only difference is that after the psykinetic change you don't shriek as much as you used to. The point used to be that you get more elite/special kills and more psykinetic procs than e.g. purg
tulip kettle
running the build i posted is making EK M2 the focus of the build
gray juniper
Inferno is definitely better on wide damage but that distance limitation is ugly when you’re the only one up
acoustic jacinth
Inferno staff is the best at clearing close encounters. That’s it. When your tea...
That's literally team's fault the staff itself is unbeatable. Inferno isn't even a debate. Even on crushers. Spam PA on force sword with uncanny and waves of crushers are done for too
summer prairie
is blazing trauma playing the staff or not
tulip kettle
yes?
a big part of blaze trauma is NOT pressing shriek
to keep your 6 stacks and dmg
acoustic jacinth
is blazing trauma playing the staff or not
That's the thing lol, this is so subjective that it has nothing to do with performance it turned into "what are you truly playing?" philosophy. Which because it does not matter to actual gameplay, rounds up to, do what you like.
tulip kettle
i agree!
leaden thunder
gray juniper
That's literally team's fault the staff itself is unbeatable. Inferno isn't even...
Idk if you can’t carry all situations easily it’s just objectively not the apex. The devs gave inferno limited range for a reason to balance the game. Voidblast and ek have more versatility with their own drawbacks. Give and take on all of them
leaden thunder
psyker chat arguing about nothing
tulip kettle
but if you want performance, you run surge surge or another staff
zealous wing
i end up shrieking a lot on blazing trauma anyway because im usually doing everything
acoustic jacinth
And that's completely subjective to you
Because numbers and kills wise that m2 shriek you do not like will outdo whatever else you do with EK
acoustic jacinth
I can run a few matches back home, but trust me when i say i've tried this before. I'll try it again for you
Like, i care about EK it's why i even discuss this
But that's just the reality of the staff in my eyes
I'll get to it in about 2 hours, with family rn
gray juniper
IMO a meaningful and fair tweak would be increasing the bolt speed on staffs
acoustic jacinth
and try the build i posted
Do you bother managing peril till 30 stacks with your build/playstyle or do you just spam and get to unbound asap?
acoustic jacinth
👍
tulip kettle
but when you press it you will get a DPS boost for the next few seconds due to the increased crit chance
acoustic jacinth
So reality anchor is just a tax to warp unbound?
tulip kettle
basically yeah
acoustic jacinth
I c
tulip kettle
gives you a few more seconds in scriers
acoustic jacinth
Okay, i'll let you know
tulip kettle
wheras the finesse gives you nothing at all
scriers being active does give you increased crit of course
and you will 2 hit bulwarks in auric if you crit on both
acoustic jacinth
I'll run hi intens shock troop aurics since both havoc and maelstroms will give me inconsistency in gameolay comparison
acoustic jacinth
and you will 2 hit bulwarks in auric if you crit on both
Scriers stops giving crit when you reach warp unbound countdown or? Been too long without it tbh
Cant recall
tulip kettle
yes
acoustic jacinth
Ok right
tulip kettle
you only get crit increase while active not in WU