psyker-class

[royal totem]

Im not afraid of things when i have book

Im afraid of pushing into mobs with book and team no follow up

[deft stump]

Like, you know I'm slow and bad, but even I hit the point when I know is time to move.

We got fucked when 50 billion crushers/ragers/maulers spawned because he refused to move.

[royal totem]

I want a class with a lasso to drag teammates

[deft stump]

Cos he wouldn't push to the respawn point with me to get Dom and Hex up.

[royal totem]

Omg Dom died? Time to flame Dom. (Im kidding. I dont flame ppl)

[deft stump]

Too busy with 5 poxxers to push.

Guy can't even kill the poxxers than spawned behind me when I was forced back.

I had to BtL to make room.

[quiet inlet]

Did you finish that run last night? I was gonna ask what the clear time was 😂

[deft stump]

No. I told you. Furthest failed after skull tree.

Cos oggy left the group.

[quiet inlet]

Oohhhh got it. That's absolute shit

[deft stump]

And then we get fucked by 50 billion armoured.

Trying to rescue him.

[quiet inlet]

It's especially shit because you started that before we did, and we did 2 aurics

then I went to bed and you were still in there 👀

[deft stump]

That's just h40.

Pub h40 where everyone needs everyone else to do stuff.

And the moment one messes up a tiny bit, fail.

And I don't get to choose anyway, just take the first 3 ppl who apply.

In HK, I just get rejected by every party.

Not 1-2k lvls is instant reject.

[quiet inlet]

If only there was a way to show your 11 rez's in one game...

[deft stump]

I don't mod.

The only thing I use a console player might not have is hairtrigger mode.

Though I think Sut said it works on the g7 he.

Makes it easier to spam lights.

[wooden sand]

What is hairtrigger

Spider sense?

[fierce crest]

your trigger sends a full input at any pull level

and resets when any amount is released

[wooden sand]

This is terrible

I press the trigger lightly and then start to instantly swing aimless in the air

[fierce crest]

yes

less delay on inputs

[wooden sand]

Why

[quiet inlet]

maximum respect to anyone playing on controller at all. that's a foreign language to me

[wooden sand]

Just why

[fierce crest]

idk

[deft stump]

Yep, exactly that.

[wooden sand]

Controller players are more skilled than keyboard players

No doubt

[fierce crest]

its nice for semi auto stuff since you just feather the trigger any amount and it works

[deft stump]

Or light spam.

[fierce crest]

youre not forced to go to full pull, then release all the way to half pull to reset

[wooden sand]

The only weapon I light spam is the arbites maul and shield

It isn't worth it

[fierce crest]

fgs?

[wooden sand]

Speak in full

[fierce crest]

force great sword

[deft stump]

Knoife to proc crits for book.

[fierce crest]

i think a hairtrigger can also be a physical controller mod/design that just only lets the trigger move a tiny amount and thats the full travel

[wooden sand]

I don't see any light spam worth doing on the slowest weapon ever

[fierce crest]

because the heavies are single target

[wooden sand]

There are two marks

Smartfull guy

[fierce crest]

and one of them is cleave on lights, single target on heavies

[wooden sand]

Of course you use knife

Why I am not surprised

[deft stump]

Yes, on some, it's like a mouse click even. Most cheaper ones are more digital hair trigger.

[fierce crest]

i know you can set it up with Steam input

on anything that has an analog trigger

[deft stump]

You just need to learn to not pull all the way and just lightly do it.

Was built in to the controller.

[fierce crest]

dualshock 5s can do it

actively

so a game can adjust it based on what weapon you pull out for example

[zinc phoenix]

So after playing VT2 on this, the first day I’ve had without baby or work in literally years…. I’m good at it now as a necromancer. Which is basically a FGS meleeker 😂

I do like the lower enemy density but the more grounded effects of DT are way better looking

[fierce crest]

blightstormers in dt when

[zinc phoenix]

Oh and fun fact the BB equivalent in VT2 is actually useful as something to cast 😂

[zinc phoenix]

I’m so tired of being yeeted off ledges and whatnot by those damn things 😂

[weary idol]

GRENADE

[zinc phoenix]

The biggest issue I have with the game is the massive unevenness of teams and the generally ass matchmaking. I will do 22k damage, another guy will do 14k damage and then the remaining two do like 2k dmg between them

And the matchmaking is literally havoc party finder tier garbage

[weary idol]

this is somehow not present in darktide?

pretty sure I can go through my power DI history and like

[zinc phoenix]

Nope, it’s nowhere near as bad

[weary idol]

over half the games will have a useless chorus zealot

that does fucking nothing the entire mission

[zinc phoenix]

So in VT2 you have a host for every match. The host can’t be kicked and owns the mission. If they leave you have a host migration (long loading screen) or just a straight up party disband. When you finish a mission win or lose it dumps you back in the central mission area as part of a party. Don’t want to be part of that party? Enjoy multiple loading screens for a new group

It’s so bad

[fierce crest]

they finally fixed that in warframe after a bazillion years

still has host migration but at least you dont get pulled into a random mission after

[zinc phoenix]

I mean if I were Fatshark I’d look at the revenue from the free weekend and then make a business side call to back port all the netcode and QOL from DT to VT2 if it was good enough. The game definitely has the legs to be worth it

[deft stump]

Ah. I just have to manual toggle. Have a Gamesir T4 Kaleid. Planning on an upgrade since mine well, I killed the dodge button.

[deft stump]

Ping is worse in VT2. WAY WAY WORSE.

[merry meteor]

Hey. Could somebody clarify how In fire reborn talent works?

Grants a 10% chance to gain a warp charge when an enemy who is affected by Psyker's Soulblaze dies to anything. This effect has no range limit and benefits all Psykers who have this talent selected.

1. Anybody killing mobs with my soulblaze will trigger it, is it correct? Or just me?
2. The last part isn't clear either. Does it mean if a mob with soulblaze dies somewhere on the map, ALL psykers on the team may have this talent triggered - or only the psyker whose SB it is?

[deft stump]

They must die to soulblaze. Doesn't matter whose soulblaze.

Any with the node will get to roll the effects.

[merry meteor]

It says "dies to anything"?

[deft stump]

If so, then it just rolls when any target with soulblaze on dies.

All psykers with the node gets to roll that 10%, doesn't matter who actually owns the stack.

Actually, I think I should have said, they must die with soublaze on. Doesn't matter whose stack it is.

Brain fried in a way.

[merry meteor]

Okay, thank you

[wind spruce]

Appreciate the info, incase you missed it I was wondering if this random comment had any truth to it

So does it just affect the animation after you release your input key?

[deft stump]

To be fair, I stayed up for too long last night a day, and had like 5 hours of sleep?

[celest valve]

It affects the animation on launching the attack, not based on input key. (again, there's a period of time where you won't launch a light attack and will launch a heavy attack as soon as possible)

[weary idol]

imagine if it did and you could stack attack speed so high you literally can't throw light attacks anymore xd

[celest valve]

This also works the same for light attacks, however except for sliding/sprinting attacks light attacks tend to be as soon as the button is released.

[wind spruce]

Awesome, that answers the other question that occurred to me too ♥️

[celest valve]

Also mostly I know about the heavy attack queueing thing because of bored deep research into thrust and A. why it is much better than people think B. why it is actually terrible and the worst I hate it

[strong gulch]

Just to be clear, I read Irosk's original question in relation to the image about extending the heavy animation and not how quickly a heavy be done. Is that correct?

[wind spruce]

I noticed the queueing when I was messing about with a macro for spamming H1 on obscurus, I could change the delay between holding and releasing M1 by a good 0.3s and it seemed to make no difference

[royal totem]

Potato

[strong gulch]

ye?

[royal totem]

You playing or nah.

[fierce crest]

otatoP

[strong gulch]

Ye. I can hop in soon.

[celest valve]

There is a heavy 'chain time' which is the soonest possible time the attack can be launched. On top of that there is an input system where certain inputs, such as holding the attack key from between 0.25s to 0.4s depending on the weapon, will chain into heavy attack as soon as possible(unless you input something higher priority)

[royal totem]

Ok ill be on soon then

[celest valve]

Chain time tends to be a bit longer. It can be as short as 0.4s for some weapons(such as psyker 2h sword), even smaller(i think the dueling sword has particularly fast heavies?). It can also be upward of a second.

[royal totem]

After bed releases me from its clutches

Feet frozen atm

[celest valve]

The reason why I mention thrust is because thrust is effectively 3 stages. You get the first stage 0.01s after the earliest possible chain time for a heavy, and the second two stages are also fairly fast(as quick as 0.15s a stage, so 0.3s extra time for all three stacks)

[wind spruce]

The chain time for obscurus H1 seemed to be pretty length but I was eyeballing and changing my macro by fractions of a second not checking frame by frame or code

[celest valve]

So, you're effectively attacking like... 33%-50% less. In exchange for +60% damage. except this doesn't allow any room for error particularly in that it ignores the whole buffer system

[fierce crest]

is this why some ogryn weapons feel like they refuse to go into a heavy attack even when i hold attack for what feels like forever

[wind spruce]

Am I correct in understanding that makes it borderline impossible to not get atleast one stack of thrust

[celest valve]

The opposite, in fact. If you release the attack early, even if you attack only 0.01s faster, you get 0 stacks.

[wind spruce]

So the first thrust stack occurs at 0.41s in this example?

[celest valve]

Yes. I recall it is literally a frame after the earliest possible window for release.

[weary crane]

HES IN THE GODDAM WALLS

[strong gulch]

I'll aim for 20ish minutes from now.

Got hit wax going.

[celest valve]

But like... obviously 1 frame is definitely worth the +20% or so damage.

[wind spruce]

Earliest possible release of the attack or your input? Because can't you release your input here at 0.25 and as late as 0.4s for the same result?

[celest valve]

Possible release of the attack. The input system that normally makes timing more forgiving effectively works against you for thrust.

[wind spruce]

Awesome, I understand

[celest valve]

honestly it should be +20% damage on heavy attacks, up to +60% if delayed. but :p

[fierce crest]

welcome back crusher 1shots

[wind spruce]

You have to get your timing really good (and retrain your brain from releasing earlier in the chain window) to not delay it by a significant margin though

[celest valve]

Correct. But also the extra delay to get the full benefit is really small

but i would frankly not recommend it unless you're using macros anyway for the perfect timing :p

[wind spruce]

Indeed, but hitting, say, between 0.4-0.45s is a lot harder than 0.25-0.4s

[celest valve]

indeed lmao

[wind spruce]

Goals

[celest valve]

There is some other weirdness. Like did you know flamer damage has rampup? That... no one pays attention to, basically, because of how difficult it is to notice particularly as the burn damage tends to overwhelm it.

[wind spruce]

I did not know

[celest valve]

also the code for flamer damage is a mess there are literally two different timings for how frequently you can add burn stacks or deal damage. also the frequency changes with how long you've damaged the same enemy.

actually no, not damage. How long you've kept a target in a cone of fire for at least 67% of the frames.

also, flamer left click and right click are literally identical

left click is just a really really brief flame blast and there's extra burn stacks on the start and end of the flame action

[deft stump]

Is this why flamer is janky at crazy ping?

[celest valve]

...proooobably? Every frame seems to tally if you are aiming at an enemy or not, and then when an interval passes this is checked to see if you deal damage and increase damage intensity or if damage intensity for that target lowers.

[deft stump]

Cos sometimes things just won't burn after using like 30+ fuel.

[celest valve]

the burn damage might be something different I forgot, I know that crits apply double stacks at least

[deft stump]

As in, they seem like they were never hit.

[celest valve]

also I think the max stacks of burn you can apply depends on whether or not the last burn stack was a crit or no

[deft stump]

Is same with burny stick tbh.

[celest valve]

that is because both of those are identical weapons.

[strong gulch]

@royal totem I'm available. I was able to wrap up faster than I thought.

[celest valve]

...literally, the difference is in resources used. Ammo vs spending warp and time to build up charge.

[royal totem]

sometimes my enemies are wearing noninflammable armor

[royal totem]

will be in just a sec

[celest valve]

but yes the damage is done in a cone I think and possibly against the closest target while I think the burn stacks might actually be applied by hitscan fire in a radial shotgun-like burst

[deft stump]

Well, is janky at 280+ ping.

[celest valve]

there's also incredibly high damage variance that obscures the actual damage done I think(also as you ramp up damage, you deal significantly more damage but much more infrequent)

[royal totem]

ok ready

ninja also around or?

[strong gulch]

He will be a little later.

[royal totem]

okkk

[strong gulch]

I'm game ending mistake

[royal totem]

wut?

oh

LOL

[strong gulch]

lol

[royal totem]

and i thought my zealot name was very memes

[strong gulch]

it is

the memes duo

I can only start damnation

I am not super confident on arby, but am down for auric or damnation

[royal totem]

damnation works

[strong gulch]

sus

[royal totem]

........that looks SUPER sus

@strong gulch imagine if rot armor was a modifier in damnation 🙂

[strong gulch]

used to be an event

[royal totem]

i know

i was there for event

[fierce crest]

put it in a mael

[royal totem]

or imagine......rot armor........in uprising lmaooo

[strong gulch]

filagree

[torpid void]

Regarding this build, why do both weapons even spread across all stats instead of a dump stat? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

[weary idol]

the amount of braindead bolter zealots who are having to learn how to melee crushers for the first time 💀

[weary idol]

it's what gameslantern does by default because they were too lazy to put in the correct stats manually

[fierce crest]

they just didnt set the stats

[torpid void]

Thanks. What dump stats should I have?

[royal totem]

forced learning

[fierce crest]

warp res, mobility

[weary idol]

warp resistance same as literally every other psyker weapon

collateral same as literally every other gun that has it

[torpid void]

Thanks Guys. You are the best!

[acoustic jacinth]

Uhm ackshually, voidstrike-

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-cat-glowing-eyes-glowing-eyes-cat-glare-gif-10557029653716110147

[acoustic jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-cat-cat-cat-grab-cat-meme-cat-gif-gif-16708721365088240754

I miss my cat

-1 reason to wake up

How long will this cycle of doom continue

[strong gulch]

why do they linger like that?? 😭

[royal totem]

it didn't end the game 😛

[strong gulch]

If I soloed it would

also frame perfect x13 shotgun hit is mean

right after BTL too

[royal totem]

i didn't even know it's possible to be hit by that many

[royal totem]

ty for the games @strong gulch

[strong gulch]

🫡

[zealous wing]

fun part is thats usually what the bubble is ACTUALLY for

[royal totem]

hi Hexis

[zealous wing]

oggy wouldnt move, so i put the bubble in front, and it worked like a charm as it usually does

[royal totem]

did you see the big news?

[lone ravine]

barrels work like that if your teammates are positioned poorly enough

[zealous wing]

no , what happened

[royal totem]

agentchaos carried me so now i'm rank 32

[zealous wing]

gg

[royal totem]

indeed

[zealous wing]

now we get you through a 40

[royal totem]

i'm hard to carry

chaos had to really try

and syllo pulled off a clutch too

[zealous wing]

nice

[royal totem]

i'm using a silly zealot DS+boltgun build

[zealous wing]

i use DS bistol on mine, did try boltgun and its not as bad as i remember, but bistol is a bit faster for special sniping

[royal totem]

yeah i think both are valid

also

i just realized i ran a DS with no uncanny

[zealous wing]

oof

[royal totem]

bad at this game

inting

[zealous wing]

it could be worse

[royal totem]

how can it be worse?

[zealous wing]

i grabbed the wrong knife, that i thought was ready to go last moment, and checked it after the game

[royal totem]

we had to killa demonhost during the winning run though and it was on syllo

[zealous wing]

turns out it in fact was NOT a knife ready to go and was the wrong one

[royal totem]

this knife is very sus. but at least precog

[zealous wing]

at least theres that, yeah

[tulip kettle]

any gamers?

[zealous wing]

i will be, soon

[royal totem]

gamers for what?

[zealous wing]

about 10m or so

[tulip kettle]

idk gonna start with something chilled i just finished working out

[lone ravine]

i like that elite and specialist dont have the same wording for the trait dmg bonuses

[royal totem]

hmmm......i should go and touch grass though 🤔

[royal totem]

i'm retired from any havoc 32 or higher though for season

[tulip kettle]

oh?

[royal totem]

yeah. i broke into 30s

[tulip kettle]

gj

[zealous wing]

things like this are what has me sure its at least 2 or 3 people writing blessings/perks/talents, and not one person per subject

[royal totem]

by causing Agentchaos and Syllo a lot of emotional damage though

so maybe not so good

i'

i'll try to get carried less hard next season

probs doing ok for sub 800 hours though

[tulip kettle]

you play fine my dude

[royal totem]

there's a fine balance in rot armor garden of pushing forward and falling back and i haven't quite gotten that dance down

i did find out it's basically fress res though if i use relic and right after a pulse start ressing somebody. can finish before things start moving again

i'll be back in 15. gonna step outside a lil

[long wharf]

did I miss a new dev blog?

[marble crater]

If you believed psyker chat you would think there are no psykers good enough for auric

[marble crater]

Maybe? We don't know which ones you have read

[fierce crest]

no

youve been in a coma for 1 second

you missed nothing

[long wharf]

well, if a dev blog hasn't come out since the one talking about the voices, then no I haven't

was hoping we'd get more info before the release date next week

[zinc phoenix]

Do some aurics, they’re a different and more fun kind of challenge 😂

[ripe obsidian]

If I get Hive Scum, I will need to rename my veteran. His name is better suited for Scum.

Goony Cleepus

[lone ravine]

nah keep goony cleepus and make a new name up for the hive scum

[ripe obsidian]

Hmmmm

My current characters are Loony-Greepus, Spoony-Threepus, Joony-Dreepus, Goony-Cleepus, and Puny-Beepus

I don't know why I picked that name scheme. It amuses me

[zinc phoenix]

Boomey Greepus

[ripe obsidian]

I already have a Greepus!

[lone ravine]

Make them siblings

[ripe obsidian]

Moony-Sheepus is the one that comes to mind so far

Siblings? I suppose it is possible

[lone ravine]

I wouldn’t put it past a hivescum to moon someone tbh

[strong gulch]

=============================================================

=================================

[strong gulch]

Swoony Scumpus

[long wharf]

I'm not sold on the concept yet

I want to see the talent tree

[lone ravine]

I’m curious to see the base stats of the new class

[long wharf]

I have no inherent interest in anything related to Necromunda nor hive stuff

a rocket launcher can be fun, but I need more

[zinc phoenix]

That works

[strong gulch]

============================================================================================

[royal totem]

@ripe obsidian i'll play h40 with you next season. 😛

[long wharf]

how about "Hivus Scumero"?

[zinc phoenix]

Scoomy Reepus

[strong gulch]

@royal totem @zealous wing https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxB7BFcOx9Zgunz6um30FCZiOgA0nM8Uim?si=IjRSZtkHB0bbXqCK

lmao

[deft stump]

Nemui cannot complain about being bad anymore.

[deft stump]

Look, they carry me every week. Pretty sure they are used to it.

[royal totem]

but i died 3 times

or was it 4? i think it was 3 though

[buoyant maple]

What is this cursed scoreboard lmao

[strong gulch]

It's my new fancy set up.

[lone ravine]

I’m waiting for one of your games to have like 30+ barrels ignited by a single person

[quiet inlet]

goals

[strong gulch]

I've done 36 before.

[royal totem]

@deft stump don't stare at me. 3 or 4 deaths is bad 🙁

[zealous wing]

three words.

gloriana barrel event

[lone ravine]

Gloriana first 2 mins of the mission: 27 barrels

[strong gulch]

1 VB blast.

Whole level explodes

[fringe harbor]

snipers can hit through ghost/empathic right

[tulip kettle]

walls are good.

[lone ravine]

walls are good, trappers are better

[torpid jetty]

Do (weakened) monstrosities work for malleus monstreum?

[deft stump]

Some say yes, still requires private game.

[royal totem]

I think?

[zealous wing]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone wanna run 1 or 2 low havocs? I still need to do one this week, but I have no brain and I have no desire to bash my head against H40s with randoms with these modifiers.

[strong gulch]

look at it 🥺

[strong gulch]

I do but in a full group atm. Dom said something about havocs later.

[ripe obsidian]

I am likely not to be awake for more than an hour or two longer

[lone ravine]

Why does the veteran on the background look like a |-[ face instead of a helmet

lol

[royal totem]

Did Six fix sleep schedule?

[ripe obsidian]

No

Six slept so little that Six is barely awake

[royal totem]

Ahhh 🙁

[strong gulch]

We are gonna do a mael.

Then we can do havocs if you're awake

[tulip kettle]

this

i just wanna do the CIVI while its there

[deft stump]

Then again, I have no right to say with like 2 hours of sleep.

[zealous wing]

i still have my pink red h22 i can load

im in the same group with beans/dom/ninja tho running civi

[ripe obsidian]

I will press the firestick button

No worries

Is only Tuesday, I think

Still time

[zealous wing]

ye lots of time

[royal totem]

I need some help sometime

Situation is

[strong gulch]

silly america where we do monsth first

[royal totem]

Friend is good player

[ripe obsidian]

Months first is stupid

[quiet inlet]

worst date

[ripe obsidian]

It should be year, month, day.

[quiet inlet]

the one wrong way to do it

[royal totem]

Friend has been derank to 20s cuz of randoms

[ripe obsidian]

Year-Month-Day is the best for sorting data

[strong gulch]

ye

[royal totem]

Friend wants to reach 31 before reset

So i meed help

[torpid jetty]

Hell yea gonna be a cakewalk

[deft stump]

If it's Hex, it's our fault.

[royal totem]

Its not

My friend is so good can play h40 without being carried unlike me

[deft stump]

We goofed H40, Hex is now 23?

[royal totem]

😭

But randoms too sus

[deft stump]

Eh, they usually are.

I mean, play HK and host. All I can say is, the dregs you get are the ones ppl blocked for being bad.

Because they likely got carried cos nobody pushes at all.

[royal totem]

😭

[deft stump]

Nobody leads in sense.

And best part, even cheating doesn't help them.

[deft stump]

Cos they don't do anything till last one alive since everyone else is dead trying to deal with armoured spam.

They clearly use Skitarius to qq spam stuff.

[royal totem]

a lot of players i see skitarius and psykernautics and such wouldn't help them in the slightest

[lone ravine]

Isn’t pskyernautics just wall hacks

[royal totem]

yes

[lone ravine]

I mean I get skitarri mod for weapons that are carpal tunnel syndrome inducing but using it for qq spam

[royal totem]

i use skitari us for that

not qq though

[royal totem]

legendary player

i don't push as much when i'm not playing with chaos or like dom or such

[deft stump]

It's China and HK. Most ppl use cheat mods there.

They also gatekeep if you aren't 1k lvl min.

[royal totem]

so i'd just never get into havoc there

[deft stump]

I'm more likely to get into a game in EU and US than there.

[deft stump]

Though then is 40 ping vs 300~ ping.

Funny thing is, I take more chip there instead of straight 100 to 0 insta.

And I get to actually jump out of fire instead of a guaranteed death sentence.

[royal totem]

lmao

fun

i get accepted into more EU lobbies than NA ones

[deft stump]

And this is pure pubs. We all know most ppl here would just drag me along if they aren't climbing.

Cos climbing sucks and IDK why FS refuses to admit it.

The amount of toxicity over it is ridiculous.

[royal totem]

lmao

ObeseMegladaon likes the toxicity

[royal totem]

it's like the only logical thing i can think of

potato

you lost to Zariya in explosives ignited 🙁

[strong gulch]

yes

I'm washed

[royal totem]

🙁

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian We did it. Havoc time?

[ripe obsidian]

Gimme like 5-10 minutes to finish up what I'm doing. I have the energy for ~1 hour of attempts. But I intend to go firestick so I can burninate the world

[royal totem]

what havoc you guys doing?

[ripe obsidian]

I dunno

whatever

[royal totem]

i mean you guys are full so i'm just curious lol

[ripe obsidian]

Logging in now

[tulip kettle]

i think its pink red

[royal totem]

ah pink is ......healing? yeah i guess pink red isn't too bad

[ripe obsidian]

Compared with stims

[royal totem]

might actually be the least offensive combo atm

[ripe obsidian]

It used to be considered one of the worst.

Enemies do not un-red when they heal

[royal totem]

it's all a comparison thing xD

yeah

rot heal is worse but i've only experienced rot heal 40 so i can't compare for 40

stim toll is pretty bad though

[deft stump]

Potato failed at blowing up the world?

[royal totem]

apparently

i wasn't in game or watching so idk

maybe i'll name my hive scum UnskilledPlayer

[deft stump]

IDK, I'm just fighting depression and a side of me that's telling me everyone forgets you exist anyway.

[deft stump]

UselessScum?

[royal totem]

i'm always fighting that

[royal totem]

oooh good one

[tulip kettle]

were in ST1 btw six

[deft stump]

I'm usually good at getting it to fuck off, but it's hitting hard atm.

[deft stump]

Because is funny, if you think about it.

[royal totem]

i'm not very good at it ever. just sometimes worse than others

[deft stump]

(Like some guy asked about a name with Smooth in it. Go SmoothCriminal.)

[deft stump]

I RP for a reason. It helps pretending to be beloved and adored.

Something you don't actually get.

[royal totem]

i can't RP

too unskilled at it

at least my stuffed animals like me though

[deft stump]

Heck, you could even make your char a little too strong.

[royal totem]

dunno lmao

[deft stump]

True.

[royal totem]

it's not coincidence that i sleep with stuffies though

[deft stump]

I have like 3 piles of them.

[royal totem]

my wife said i can't get more cuz ummm........

[deft stump]

You know you have an issue when you sleep on a single bed and half of it is plushies.

[royal totem]

if i take a photo you'd understand why

i sleep on a king sized bed and half of it is stuffies

[deft stump]

King sized.

You still have bed space.

I literally don't.

[royal totem]

no. or i wouldn't have space

i move around while i sleep so if i got more i'd find half of them on the ground when i wake

[deft stump]

I'm not asian tiny.

I just put then where I'll roll off and hit the floor before they ever do.

[royal totem]

i'm a large person by any standard

[deft stump]

Cos pain to me is little.

[royal totem]

i interestingly won't roll myself of f

so it's a problem

[deft stump]

I have a chair next to my bed to lower the fall off thing.

[royal totem]

fair enough

[deft stump]

It ended up becoming a 'table'.

[royal totem]

with more stuffies? lmao

[deft stump]

Shush.

[royal totem]

nothing wrong with more stuffies

[deft stump]

I already made the cabinet next to my bed stuffie storage.

[royal totem]

i also comm a lot of art of my various OC's to cope with myself

[deft stump]

Can't really afford that.

Prices keep going up and I'm not interested in using AI.

[royal totem]

i have ethical issues with AI so i don't use it either

[deft stump]

I don't, I just dislike the rampant use causing global warming to get worse.

I thought we were supposed to be slowing that down???

[royal totem]

i would say that's kinda an ethical issue but whatevs. i don't want to have that convo in this server again

[deft stump]

I guess it's ethical reasons of a different kind.

[royal totem]

idk though i also like the art of human artists more

but yea at the end of the day it's all copium

[strong gulch]

Ok game.

Don't name and shame I guess.

[ripe obsidian]

I am the psyker with no name

[strong gulch]

Ye

It was afraid

[royal totem]

did you guys win? :3

[strong gulch]

Ye.

[royal totem]

good good

[strong gulch]

lower havoc

[deft stump]

Are you saying you and Chaos are the same?

[royal totem]

@strong gulch lost to hexis in barrels smh

[ripe obsidian]

Sure, why not

[deft stump]

Totally washed.

[deft stump]

I guess we are back to only 3 ppl actually here.

[tulip kettle]

always has been

[royal totem]

there never are too many here

i'm doing the unusual thing of not playing DT tonight

hard to feel motivated to play game if not with people. but i'm also just watching a game stream so i'm k

[deft stump]

So voices?

[royal totem]

my friend is streaming it for me

so i'm talking to them as they do

[deft stump]

Ah.

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1443102963005390878/4311961.MP4?ex=6927d9dd&is=6926885d&hm=24803389360ad6cb31905fcbba17cc5e041d81b202101029432b65dd10ec261c&

[ripe obsidian]

Is that the door on refinery delta?

[verbal thistle]

yeah\

I forgot the teleporter is oin top of the door

but what are the chances of 3 bursters

at the same time

[royal totem]

a non-zero chance lmao

[eager knoll]

swga

[strong gulch]

WTF

I'm testing in true solo and yeah the DH doesn't care about shriek.

it did however go from complete unagitated to awake and attacking in 1 long range hit from staff lmb.

no

it was 1 lmb and KF

[languid furnace]

Omg, I actually did something similar earlier today, aggroed it with literally one LMB click. Was with the burn staff too and I thought I was out of range

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Any attack proccing KF seems to be the thing that wakes a DH up from 0 to full aggro rn @tulip kettle . Could even be force melee PA + KF proc.

[languid furnace]

Now that I think about it-I’ve aggroed them before with bleed stacks from shredder frags, I wonder if it’s because each “tick” of a DoT, no matter how small, is being interpreted the same as an attack like a melee attack or gunshot

So, one cast of the burn staff, even though it’s ticking for just a tiny amount of damage, is the same effect as a burst of gunfire or something

Just a thought, idk

[deft stump]

Shredders also do a small amount of damage from boom even at massive range.

[languid furnace]

I wasn’t using KF, either!

[strong gulch]

DoT damage does count but you have to hit a fairly high threshold. A single DoT tick won't wake a DH into its various awake / aggitated states.

DH can be woken up by friendly fire.

[deft stump]

Pretty sure it's not damage to wake but just number of atks. You get 1 hit 'free' from sleeping.

DoTs are special in a way.

[strong gulch]

There is a damage threshold tho.

Ye DoTs

[deft stump]

They don't count to a sleeping DH for most part.

Assuming you didn't apply it with some hit.

[strong gulch]

For most cases correct, but they can do enough damage to aggro.

Like SB getting refreshed with no direct hit. It will eventually do enough damage to aggro it.

[deft stump]

Is why lights out scary with beeg flashlight.

[languid furnace]

That’s fascinating! So there is an actual numerical threshold you have to hit

[languid furnace]

That makes sense-I tossed a grenade a bit too close, then a minute or so passed and it attacked, it wasn’t instant

[zealous wing]

i dont care how long it takes, i WILL 100% zealot penances today

for some reason this one is taking serious time sink

[royal totem]

Theres one zealot one i cant get so im not gonna 100% it

[upbeat kestrel]

Just a flesh wound?

Get a team and do a train mission

[deft stump]

Want me to tell you how I did it? Malice mortis. Have an oggy friend with taunt and you invis. Let bots die and oggy pull aggro. Throw funny burn 'nade. Unlock 120 kills in 30 secs.

[languid furnace]

I still have to do the ones for shock grenades

[upbeat kestrel]

get a team of 4 zealots with stun nades.

Teamamtes gtenades also count

[deft stump]

Not the 2500 stunned ones though.

[candid temple]

That one is just spamming nades for some games.

[upbeat kestrel]

Ah. Its jus playing with stun nades

And hopefully having a field improv vet on stand by

[deft stump]

So depends on which lul.

[upbeat kestrel]

So people forget that grenades exist in this game

[deft stump]

Unless you vet main.

Lmao.

[royal totem]

How do the 40 stunned enemies

[eager knoll]

i ate a crusher overhead in auric

wit psyker

had like 15 hp left

[candid temple]

Herd a horde

[upbeat kestrel]

Get 4 zealots on a team with stunnades and you get flamethrower. Then go to amphitheatre mission to the kitxhen and wait for them to stack up

[deft stump]

Or just mortis trials wave 3.

Is literally 95% poxxers.

Just get a slab to eat all the aggro.

[upbeat kestrel]

Yeah

[deft stump]

They also inf spawn to a cap. Cap is mostly so server don't seppuku.

But is more unit limit, will spawn more if you kill.

[royal totem]

Hmmm ok

I might need hexis help then

[languid furnace]

I didn’t know that, thanks

[deft stump]

Also, if you get 20 sec grenade recharge after 3, take it. Wave 6 still viable to do it if the extra spawns aren't inf trappers.

Plasmas/reapers might be spicy as well.

For you, oggy just needs to slab afk taunt.

[royal totem]

Mmmmm

Nah

Asking for help too hard

Ill just never doit

[zealous wing]

i have a shieldgryn for a reason

[royal totem]

Nah im just gonna not do it

[zealous wing]

350 more burns to be done

then i can ignore zealot

[royal totem]

Wish could play now

But cant

Not allowed to skip sleep

[zealous wing]

why is it when i use knives, suddenly every match no one can handle a horde, but now that im trying to do flame grenades everyone can

was the same with stun, and im sure it'd be the same with oggy nuke, smoke grenades, and shredder frags

[buoyant maple]

skill-based matchmaking

[zealous wing]

wdym

[buoyant maple]

it's a joke

u don't get what u want

[zealous wing]

man i LOVE when i click "play" in the mission terminal and it doesnt queue anything

then i have to relaunch 🙃

not a huge deal but really annoying how often it happens

[quartz barn]

Sbmm gets funny when you pull a lvl 5 in auric mael

Most of the time you only see bots, but i once matched others doing the same

[zealous wing]

😭

[languid furnace]

Oh, now that’s just cruel

[languid furnace]

Nice! Congrats!

[quartz barn]

267926 kills to go

[zealous wing]

which next is the hard question

honestly vet might be the most interesting of the two, mainly because the only thing on vet i know i like is the helbore, so running the other penances wont be such an annoyance, but on ogryn i like rock, i like taunt, and i like kickback/grenade gauntlet as my ranged, so the bull rush ones, PBB, etc, all very boring sounding

knowing me though ill keep putting it off and the next 100% will be hive scum

[deft stump]

Oggy is boring, you know that. Grindy to max.

[quartz barn]

Only oggy penance that sucks is the suppress on gunlugger

Rest takes no effort

[deft stump]

Is just grindy.

[quartz barn]

Me clearing the private game bullrush penance in the first hallway

[zealous wing]

@ripe obsidian if you check for this ping later (hope you do) kinetic flayer on surge surge probably doesnt work well, since youre almost always at critical peril, assail could be the better option

same with a scriers rending VB, even in h22 there was enough to just, be reactivating scriers with 6s left on WU, tbh

which, no fire so no passive KF procs in between

[zealous wing]

what i run (image one), then (image two) a "base" (cant remember if theres more that was optional)

[zealous wing]

rending VB, with the ES node because no warp splitting

[acoustic jacinth]

I've seen this before, how come people use VB with SG?

Isn't the default meta build skeleton + shriek better

[zealous wing]

if theres an inferno psyker already, you do not want fire

esp if its a rot (armour blob heavy) run, let the inferno deal with it easier while you also work on killing them

and well, warp rupture is a fucking joke, and a shriek with no damage at all, you might as well go get the same peril decrease from scriers, get damage buffs, and get infinite casting

dom ran it one match, i ran it the next, it was bonkers how fast SG came back

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah but that is dependant on a specific team comp. I guess as a backup build then?

[zealous wing]

this is indeed specifically for playing a "let me help keep armour in check" when theres an inferno psyker like dom/agent/six

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah fair

[zealous wing]

it wont be as effective as inferno against rot, nothing is, but its still a big assist

[acoustic jacinth]

Basically, the alt VB route. Flurry and brittleness

[zealous wing]

ye

[acoustic jacinth]

Same as my alt

For solo queue psyker which is 90% for me though

This has been my sweet spot

[zealous wing]

i also have a blazing trauma build for if i have to run bubble, and an inferno bubble build, depending on the situation, but i dont play with staves much other than surge surge recently

very out of practice

[acoustic jacinth]

The -10% peril gen node, oddly enough hits my peril management just right even with EK, i never feel the need for ER

Fair

Staff psyker is my favourite here

Bubble knight is also fun

[zealous wing]

its definitely fun, i just enjoy too much

[acoustic jacinth]

But that's about it

[zealous wing]

i have phases of "GUNS! yay!" "MAGIC! YAY!"

[acoustic jacinth]

Fair

Then again

Psyker's good at everything

💀

I love critting for 6.5k+ on meleeker, something i see in my dreams with zealot

[zealous wing]

ye

psyker melee hits so different than zealot melee

psyker is the better zealot

[upbeat kestrel]

You get that kind of hits and up with shroudfield

[zealous wing]

emphasis on "shroudfield"

[acoustic jacinth]

Zealot is more violent and energetic imo, esp if you play marty/IJ Fotf
Psyker feels like steady destruction

[zealous wing]

which means, you get ONE chance

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah personally i have a negative bias towards shroudfield

It is, at a base for more inconsistent than fotf

Always will be

[zealous wing]

marty SF/C zealot is the only way i can enjoy zealot

i feel like if you dont marty it doesnt feel specific to zealot enough, idk

and i like being a liability

[acoustic jacinth]

Fair

Martyr does make it exciting

And hey

Its easier now

Lol

[upbeat kestrel]

I play mostly left side zealot

[acoustic jacinth]

Piety mk3 perfect strike evisc. Chefs kiss

[zealous wing]

see,

i

H A T E

[acoustic jacinth]

I'm ignoring body mass son. You can't hurt me

[zealous wing]

the chain weapons

[acoustic jacinth]

DAMN

In 40k?!

[zealous wing]

i dont 40k nerd, im here to kill

[upbeat kestrel]

I prefer mk15 personally

[zealous wing]

the sound of chain on carapace is the fucking worst. i touched it ONCE in psyk and im never using any chain weapon ever again because fuck that noise

[upbeat kestrel]

My exe sword from vt2 skill comes back

[upbeat kestrel]

Eh i dont really mind

[zealous wing]

i dont care if it one shots the entire map and instantly teleports me to extract, i dont care if its strong or not, never again

[upbeat kestrel]

Thats your opinion no one forces you to use chain weapons

[acoustic jacinth]

Mk15's stagger and overhead activation is v good but i hate how simple it is to play

Weapons with like

Horizontal light, overhead heavy and thats it

Drive me nuts

As a devil may cry enjoyer i need more

[upbeat kestrel]

I like it dor the simplicity

If i want something nkre complicated all take my relic blade

[acoustic jacinth]

Mk2 relic blade is great

Very fun moveset

[upbeat kestrel]

Yeah i prefer it

[acoustic jacinth]

Slaughterer + wrath or cranial + wrath? I tend to take the latter

[upbeat kestrel]

Push attack double heavy for hordeclesr

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah

[upbeat kestrel]

Cranial heatsink is what i use

[acoustic jacinth]

Damn

Thats a first

[upbeat kestrel]

I have stupid uptime on powered state with that combo

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh i am aware

But ngl

Relic blade without any form of additive cleave

Well besides zealot passives

Not for me

I feel like it fucks with my mixed horde

[upbeat kestrel]

Eh i dont mind it

[acoustic jacinth]

Esp when wrath lets you cleave through maulers

Well, bodies ofc

[icy breach]

Cranial wrath

[acoustic jacinth]

Same

I can't do without at least 1 form of venting support for my weapon

It feels like dog uptime otherwise

[cosmic sigil]

and then the boss decides to move away from your heavy / stab because ''ohhh shinyyyy''

[zealous wing]

pretty much

i have a clip of me trying and failing to hit a DH like 4 times before i nailed her

[long saddle]

sometimes I pull out gun just because they're too hard to hit when targeting someone else

[cosmic sigil]

I literally shouted FUCK YEAH when I one tapped the burgle that one time

[obsidian widget]

holy. shit.

[cosmic sigil]

man that first failed hit on the DH

[zealous wing]

she was there until she said "no"

it still hurts me a little

[long saddle]

hammer is sometimes too fast, even if weaker I love doing a FotF special attack with eviscerator and seeing the hp tick down

[cosmic sigil]

I actually like very much doing DH hunting with a zealot/ogryn when I can. I put focus target on it or brittleness and then kaboom

[long saddle]

hunting them is always gonna strike me as BM

like best worst case is your team gets a lot of corruption damage

[cosmic sigil]

it depends on your team

[long saddle]

I always play with randoms so

[cosmic sigil]

same, so it depends

[long saddle]

I also hate that grimoires are so poorly explained that they become BM

[cosmic sigil]

ye

[long saddle]

and glad that most don't bother with them in auric

or don't exist in maelstrom

[cosmic sigil]

until you get that one guy that does not play very well but insist on getting that grimoire

[long saddle]

I just glance down at my HP and wonder why I have corruption dmg

there is nothing more satisfying than a bad dude using a grimoire dying

because it just goes away

[rain wren]

Bad manners, bowel movement, or both?

[long saddle]

didn't know latter was one lol

relevant for certain fields ig

[rain wren]

Lol half of my family are doctors or nurses

[wind wind]

How many comments about your health do you get at family functions lmao?

[rain wren]

Lucky for me I had a choice in both just went into military like the other half and got thrown into cls training (combat life saving course). Which I didn't volunteer for but it came easy

Oh it is non stop even my kids do

My eldest daughter is an RN

Working on a doctrine so the cycle keeps going

But yeah if it isn't my aunts or uncles when I was younger it is now my kids

I can't get out of the that's not healthy

Don't worry I'm cls qualified if I get dehydrated I know how to stick an iv in me

[wind wind]

I usually counter "thats not healthy" with "life is a sexually communicable disease with guaranteed terminal ending, let me have my fun!"

[rain wren]

Lol

Usually it's my nicotine habits if it wasn't smoking, it was chew, if it wasn't chew, it was vape

[wind wind]

Yeah, you were in the military alright

The GI diet of Ripits, nicotine and yucky mre Bars

[zinc phoenix]

Time to get hooked on the gum

It tastes like ass AND it’s expensive, what a deal

[rain wren]

Oh even when I smoked I carried chew in the military so I can chew in the classes or firing range

Those classes take forever and I need my nicotine

[wind wind]

Death by powerpoint

[rain wren]

Yes one of the most ridiculous one was personal hygiene. Like what is this we need our mom's and dad's to tell us to take a shower now?

Oh let's not stop there let's demonstrate how to start a shower and safety wash ourselves

Oh why not do a class about how to sweep and mop since some how kids aren't taught that

[zinc phoenix]

Military would save a fortune in dental care by having mandatory oral hygiene classes ngl

[rain wren]

Oh it's free

[zinc phoenix]

To you 😂 to the taxpayer it’s not free

Also a mandatory class in personal finance before the recruiting bonus is issued would also be a great way to reduce the number of expensive cars (and car loans) in base parking lots

[rain wren]

No spend all the money

Wait till you get injured or about to retire to stopp

But if they didn't spend the money how do tax payers get their money back?

We even help the little folks by getting coke

I mean alcohol. Coke? What's coke?

Keg party every month

Or maybe 2 times a month. I don't remember

Welp can tell I had too much if I can't rem

Remember

[zealous wing]

yall 😭

bro got the 4th modifier on h5

shouldnt be too hard but still, its mean

AND ITS LIGHTS OUT

BROTHER

[rain wren]

Uh oh

Daemonhost

Snipers probably too

[zealous wing]

this is gonna be the hardest h5 ive ever done, i think

and its just us two and the bots, so

uh

ill report back

[rain wren]

Lol

5 mins later

[zealous wing]

at least its one of my fav maps

[rain wren]

Lol that's good should not be bumping into walls at least

[weary crane]

Why is the havoc map pool so small

[zinc phoenix]

So apparently all the pugs in vt2 want to play ultra light dps roles. This is great for their scoreboard stats if I carry them by playing a tough melee that can clutch when they all die to a single rattie 😂

Necromancer combines tough melee with skellies who will watch your back (unless it’s a special, then fuck you 😂) and a staff that lets you pop bosses and heavy armor stuff efficiently

Handy that

Also I now understand how spoiled we are by the incredible dialog in dt

There are sooooo few voice lines in vt2 and they repeat constantly

[languid pine]

this is the first time ive genuinely heard someone say they like the dialogue in dt over vt2

you are a fucking rarity

[obtuse dome]

Really?

I think its quite obvious

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve played both extensively at this point. The character writing in vt2 is deeper, the mid mission interactions are puddle deep and sorely lacking. People hear the lines once or twice in vt2 and think “wow so good” and don’t realize that’s the only line

They are pretty good the first time

The fact that there’s no variation makes it grating by the 20th

[obtuse dome]

🗣️ „ThE eLf iS hoRIzontAL“🗣️

[zinc phoenix]

Bardin and saltzpyre have exactly one way to tell Sienna good job

I hear it a lot

[languid pine]

its the fact that i genuinely cannot recall any meaningful dialogue from dt

[zinc phoenix]

That’s because it isn’t burned into your brain by being repeated a billion times

[languid pine]

ive noticed that they bumped up the dialogue rate on official realm anyways

[winged trail]

every ogryn line is meaningful

[languid pine]

either way i prefer vt2 since i vastly prefer the character interactions there even if its repeated thousands of times

[zinc phoenix]

The only line that is super repetitive is the one vet personality’s “loo loo look at the witch” performance line because so many people play that one

[languid pine]

i havent heard that either

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t hear the psyker good performance lines?

Interesting way to comment on your performance 😂

[languid pine]

no i genuinely do not remember

if you want to talk about performance i can always send a h40 screenshot

[obtuse dome]

Such destruction….What if the freak is a danger to us?

[languid pine]

that one ive definitely heard

[obtuse dome]

The freak wreaks carnage…likely out if error….

[winged trail]

THE LIABILITY IS OUTPERFORMING YOU ALL

[languid pine]

its probably because i need more couple hundred of hours to subconsciously recall them

[obtuse dome]

Millions must die!

[long saddle]

until you play exclusively higher difficulties and you hear 90% of just mission info, that's often repeated and boring, and then 10% banter between characters

since there's not much downtime

[summer prairie]

the banter is way better in v2

[zinc phoenix]

I have all the “hard difficulty” achievements 🤷‍♀️ h40 is just sorta boring and repetitive these days in general, idk why people feel there’s any skill expression left other than “I survived the intense boredom of doing the same thing every day”

At least I can understand the guys going for solo/duo h40, that makes sense to me

But the people just pugging it day in day out? Mind boggling

[obtuse dome]

Pugging is exhausting af

[long saddle]

yeah I have all but TS and haven't played any since the update

I'm exclusively pugging so

[obtuse dome]

Theres also not a lot goingbon anymore at the dc

So its hard to find groups in general anyway

And the almost forced meta loadouts and builds are BOOOOORING.

I just want a diff a bit harder then auric. Basically like a havoc 40 but without rotten armour and whatnot.

These modifiers are the fckn worst part of this game and they are just not fun.

Like what tf is fun about slowly limping thru a level for an entire hour

[zealous wing]

slower than i'd like but, as two, being careful, im pleasantly surprised

[obtuse dome]

Because theres fckn pox gas everywhere

[zealous wing]

was able to use inferno properly as well so, even more happy with the result of, we lived, and had reasonable time

[long saddle]

closest difficulty wise has been certain events on auric

like I'd much prefer havoc modifers as event missions rather than H40 without modifiers

[rain wren]

That's actually better than I expected

I was thinking something like 50 mins with bit more struggle

How did the other guy do?

[zealous wing]

pretty good once we got on comms so i could explain what stims and rot were, and communicate

spooky but i only downed because i exploded, and i dont think he downed at all

the bots are a different matter entirely

was too tempted by the hat

[rain wren]

Lol

[hollow crescent]

Ive been trying flame staff and i understand the talents and blessings to get etc etc but what about actually using it?

When to use primary, when to use secondary?

Rn im running it with normal force sword cuz I need single target

[obtuse dome]

Both force swords are great for single target tbh

[obtuse dome]

I think primary staggers and secondary doesnt

Thats about it

And u dont have ro fully charge it every time for secondary to keep up blaze away inbetween

[zinc phoenix]

It’s pretty easy to get 🤷‍♀️

I pugged it and got it before I lost interest in the mode

The gameplay straight jacket havoc’s design creates + the fundamental skill issues of 90% of the playerbase makes every game of high havoc feel identical

[zealous wing]

Primary:
this is your stagger tool. its ideal for quickly sending a pulse of fire at something if its a trapper, dog, etc, right near you. bonus if kinetic flayer is ready to proc, and it will kill them, but otherwise, does no real damage. also great for if youre being surrounded by non-stagger-immune ragers, to get a small opening to spew them with secondary.

Secondary:
this is your main damage source. this is what you should be using most of the time, on hordes, armour blobs, bosses (if absolutely necessary, its not actually your job the rest of the time, this is a "im the last one alive or i got cut off" situation, and usually your melee is better, so do a pulse then stab while it also has DOT on it)

as far as "normal force sword", there is none, theres 3 marks and they all do very drasticly different things, but since you mention single target i presume you mean deimos, in which case, your melee would be better against monstrosities, again only if absolutely necessary, since youre not built for boss damage.

if you have uncanny on that sword, you should cover armour blobs in lots of fire stacks, then do push attacks on them with the sword to apply that rending to them, makes your fire DOTs do much more damage to them. i have an example clip if you like.

you can also use secondary to stagger, if you release it early

important note, inferno WILL suppress reapers, but not bulwarks nor crushers, and primary wont stagger bulwarks or crushers either, but you can use your force weapons push attack to crack open a bulwark or interrupt a crushers overhead

[zealous wing]

ran into my first speedrunner whiner. hosted an h15, wanted it done in 15 minutes. like, alright, fine, down to try. then they keep running off on their own, downs to a chaos spawn, and whines in coms to "come get me guys come get meeeee"

bubble, stand over him, left.

[quartz barn]

Trying to get ts now is also harder because a lot of people checked out of havoc

Modifiers are making a clear take way longer + plenty already have everything from havoc and dont care anymore

[deft stump]

To be fair, avg pubs you get aren't great for it either.

[hollow crescent]

Idk the greatsword seemed tricky for single target

[hollow crescent]

Thank you for this. Its very well written

Ill try my best to keep this in mind

And if you dont mind, could you briefly go over the 3 force sword marks?

Which one is best paired with inferno?

[obtuse dome]

One mark has nice heavy attack stabs and overheads.

And still extremely good hordeclear. But they are much slower then the 1 handed forceswords

[marble crater]

Illisi for horde clear
Deimos for easier single target damage
Obscurus for better but more complicated single target damage

[hollow crescent]

Interesting

I use Deimos I believe

[marble crater]

For Inferno I would pick Deimos

[zealous wing]

Deimos:
very single target. knocks crushers and maulers on their ass if you use the heavy stab. heavy stab is accessed via Light attack 1 then Heavy attack 2.
thats how far i got before a nerd arrived

[hollow crescent]

Light is stab and 3 slashes

Heavy is big slash and then big stab

[lone ravine]

Wait obscurus has better single target? I thought it was the middle road option

[marble crater]

Rude

[zealous wing]

it is, and sadly is better at both

[dull scroll]

in H40, deimos is better vs crushers (possibly the best weapon in game vs them), obscurus is better vs specials since deimos can't one shot them

in auric deimos can one shot any specials so it's just the best one there

[hollow crescent]

That heavy stab is so nice when my dumbass actually manages to pull it off mid intense fight

[zealous wing]

possibly the best weapon in the game vs them

not quite

its good for getting things off your ass, thats all you really need though

[dull scroll]

which other weapon you know can knock a crusher to the ground in one hit?

[hollow crescent]

Idk what is H40

[hollow crescent]

I just started a few days twin im buns at this game

[obtuse dome]

Pickaxe

[dull scroll]

Havoc 40

[obtuse dome]

Shockmaul

[zealous wing]

deimos knocks them over, inferno can outright kill with uncanny force weapon

[dull scroll]

no lol

[obtuse dome]

Yes lol

[dull scroll]

to the ground? show clip

[zealous wing]

arby shield heavy, oggy rock, oggy shield maybe? cant recall

[dull scroll]

none

[zealous wing]

bet

[dull scroll]

bunch of things can stun crushers

but very few things can knock them to the ground in 1 hit, actually none I can think of

except deimos

[zealous wing]

time to test

[hollow crescent]

That is insane lmao

[zealous wing]

gimme a minute or so

k not one hit but arby shield heavy does indeed stagger and knock over

[obtuse dome]

Definetly with heavy hitter.

Maybe not first hit tho i still gotta get the stacks.

[dull scroll]

so not one hit, gotcha

[zealous wing]

i mean

who goes into an armour blob with no stacks of anything

[obtuse dome]

Me? Lol

[zealous wing]

max tho is iffy, but if its only a few relatively that counts i'd say

[obtuse dome]

Well if im allowed to hit other things to get it all stacked up it would take one hit.

But thats not very realistic imo

Also ogryn Paul will put anything on its ass

And u can 100% stagger with the pickaxe hook

[zealous wing]

k oggy shield no, rock 100%

but oggy shield does kill in like 4 hits so idk if it really matters

kickback also knocks them over

funnily enough gauntlet does not, with main or special firing

[quiet inlet]

try the ogryn push talent, too. that might topple them when it's up

[royal totem]

Morning

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like knocking the crusher down isn’t the purpose of og and you should take something that minimizes TTK on them

[zealous wing]

oh true ill give it a test

[zinc phoenix]

Arbie is just way more efficient at mass kd or freeze

[zealous wing]

true, a stagger is more than enough

[quiet inlet]

shovel uppercut might down them as well, but might take some other talent activations

[obtuse dome]

Its actually bad if they fall behind the fresh crushers imo if i wanna kill em

[zinc phoenix]

The big advantage of crusher kd is you can see the pocket trapper 😂

[zealous wing]

i DO find it really fucking hilarious tho that 3 shield smacks from arby knocks them over, but oggy shield doesnt until its dead

[obtuse dome]

Fuck that guy fr hiding in they crevices

[zinc phoenix]

Hardest part of og for me is trappers, they’re so fuckin fat and slow

I am definitely a bubble baby on og

[zealous wing]

thats why i like kickback, might not oneshot but its real quick, same way i use bistol on zealot or shotpistol on arby

[obtuse dome]

Ogryn and trappers is big iff yeah

Very unforgiving

[zinc phoenix]

Meanwhile in vt2 the fuckin assassins man they’re heat seeking, super fast and the sound isn’t directional. I remember when dogs used to be this dangerous, now I don’t even pay attention to dog I just kinda avoid them in course of play

[obtuse dome]

Omce i learned you could just push those mfs i never feared them again

[zealous wing]

really bothers me that GG primary is a fuckin melee

[royal totem]

a million trappers at Aprunkulus

[obtuse dome]

Gg is a nice gun but i think it would just be better without melee yeah

And better blessings

[zealous wing]

if GG wasnt a melee on LMB i'd probably enjoy it more, but i just dont like getting fucked over because some dumbass thought melee for a gun was better than quick firing

[obtuse dome]

GG is honourable rumbler

[zealous wing]

5 shots is better than just 1 for when havoc or auric gets dicey, but, alas, i always return to kickback

i dislike rumbler

delayed explosions, i dislike

[obtuse dome]

Same

[zealous wing]

if i want boom i want boom NOW

grenades make SENSE because thats how most grenades work

[obtuse dome]

And rumbler is honestly a very lame playstyle

[zealous wing]

but on a gun... eh

[quartz barn]

What? Cant hear you over big boom

[zealous wing]

rumbler also too slow for what i need

[obtuse dome]

I think its pretty much same-ish with kickback no?

[royal totem]

Rumbler has a lot of unlikeable limitations

[quartz barn]

Just give oggy a rocket launcher

[zealous wing]

kickback is endurable because quick fire when ready that doesnt need spot on aim

its the ONLY gun oggy has that mostly works

[quartz barn]

Make it like armored core, big damage but very little ammo

[weary crane]

I find it easy to take out specialists with it, the problem is the breakpoints, it's hard to 1 shot gunners and stuff

[zealous wing]

speaking of breakpoints

arby shot pistol,

[weary crane]

Is ass

[obtuse dome]

Naaaaaah

[zealous wing]

well duh but its the same as kickback, but also bulletproof, so there IS that

bigger spread, but also pretty tight compared to a shotgun

[royal totem]

Its harder to get that bomber on the catwalk a few above and far away and such imo

[obtuse dome]

Shotpistol is nice and snappy and super fast

[weary crane]

Yeah I love the shield part, but if it was like a bolt pistol instead then it would be amazing

[quartz barn]

Running arbi pistol with shield and mace confused tf out of me

[weary crane]

Theoretically the vet should deal with it but you know randoms

[quartz barn]

Because holding rmb when youre out of ammo just lets you block

[royal totem]

Srry the vet wont do it. Too busy eating overheads

[zealous wing]

its my anti-trapper tool, but it does NOT oneshot in havoc, was curious if there was a way to make the arby shotgun work similarly or if its just, hordeclear shotgun and relatively similar meh special sniper

[quartz barn]

But you get a delay on swapping weapons if you do that

[zealous wing]

i tried both marks and it didnt fit the vibe, but i do also run forceful, so theres that limmitation

[weary crane]

I tried run n gun to reduce spread, but I think it's the damage falloff that is the problem

[zealous wing]

i usually only shoot them when they're in "i see you dog arby" range

[weary crane]

If it had a slug variant then it would be amazin

[zealous wing]

honestly yes

i keep trying to find a way to use the other two arb weapons and, my playstyle doesnt like them :/

i enjoy them but they dont work with my dumb ass

[weary crane]

I wanna use arby maul but it doesn't have skullcrusher so I'm stuck with shock maul

[zealous wing]

imagine peak utility and i basically do that in every class, utility being, my own survival and also able to keep others alive best i can, or just, i keep myself alive through careful slaughter and 99% melee

[royal totem]

I might stop playing arb

Im just bad at it

[zealous wing]

get good at psyker

i genuinely feel like being decent at psyker made me better at other classes

cocky enough to want to run hive scum day one lvl 1 in auric

[royal totem]

Nty. I dont really like psyker

[zealous wing]

||im definitely gonna get my ass beat||

vet then

vet is more squishy

specifically a melee vet

[royal totem]

Im a better vet than arb

[zealous wing]

im gonna guess the stares are because arby is just vet but tankier and better melee skills

[royal totem]

Arb i think im more immortal than i actually am. Vet i have no such delusions