psyker-class

[mental rock]

Lol

Lmao

[deft stump]

I played boss rushes meant for 10 man solo.

[tulip kettle]

forced 50 is precisely the problem

[deft stump]

As a paper caster.

[tulip kettle]

when the matchmaker doesnt use player skill as the sole determinent

which they dont

but again, what is EOMM? do you know?

[graceful arch]

Not really it's just going to frustrate you to no end and make you a salty league player.

[tulip kettle]

they want you to keep playing

[zinc phoenix]

If some people have 60wr other people have 40wr

[graceful arch]

When they tune the matchmaking to try to keep on the game as long as possible.

[deft stump]

Ppl accepted the MMR loss for a co-op game. Not me.

[zinc phoenix]

Mathematically speaking it’s impossible for everyone to be above average

[tulip kettle]

or average, even

[graceful arch]

True

[tulip kettle]

they matchmake for engagement

not skill

[graceful arch]

Some people are at the bottom of the bell curve in both ways.

[graceful arch]

I know.

[deft stump]

Why ranked is bleah. Go back to no matchmaking days heh.

[zinc phoenix]

Those dastardly game devs, always trying to make players play their games

[tulip kettle]

indeed

[deft stump]

10 randoms pile into a lobby.

[graceful arch]

How goes the tides of dankness anyways

[tulip kettle]

theres a reason that games like COD4 were the peak of gaming

no SBMM, no matchmaking beyond connection based matchmaking

[mental rock]

How is forced 50 not using player skill as a benchmark? Because you have teammates? You just seem salty that teammates can sometimes be shit. But the reality is those teammates are probably better at different things than you are which gives them a similar rating to you. Given a large enough sample size of games, skill based matchmaking will put you where you belong and give you the best quality games for your rank

[zinc phoenix]

Cod4 was mostly the peak of racist screeching tbh

[tulip kettle]

i just explained why i dont care about that

[zinc phoenix]

Demographic attacks good actually???

[tulip kettle]

i even directly recognised that the system gives you as many free wins as free losses over a long enough period

i ALSO said, that most of these games dont even USE skill based matchmaking

they use ENGAGEMENT OPTIMISED matchmaking

but if you want to go into the statistics of bayesian systems we can

[mental rock]

And I just explained why that doesn't matter you said yourself that the best games are the closest ones and generally skill based matchmaking is going to give you the closest games

[tulip kettle]

no, it is not

and again, SBMM is not really implemented

so idk what point youre trying to make

[austere warren]

Maybe the illusion of it, I'd argue at the very least.

[tulip kettle]

ELO systems were designed specifically for 1 vs 1 games

their adoption into games that have determining forces beyond your control is always going to mean they dont work correctly for everyone

[deft stump]

I mean, you have games that buffs you secretly in your first games of the day.

[tulip kettle]

a core principle of EOMM

[austere warren]

What you mean?

Like stacking you against clearly weaker players or something?

[tulip kettle]

could be that

could be, say, to pull an example out of the air

[austere warren]

I'm more curious about what they mean about buffs here.

[tulip kettle]

you are playing a game that relies on you stockpiling gold to spend on resources

you earn gold by performing an in game action

that awards a randomised amount of gold, between say, 40 and 50

in your first game of the day, you randomly get 50 much more often

that is one common example of a system used in EOMM algos

[deft stump]

You do more damage per shot and take less.

Was called out before a few times.

[tulip kettle]

another good example.

[austere warren]

Where can this be confirmed as the case? I'm not denying the possibility, but I haven't noticed much in games I've played beyond the purpose of stipends on resources and currency from ftp mmos

[tulip kettle]

theres public patents and stuff for this

[austere warren]

Granted, if it's that subtle, that'd be the point.

[tulip kettle]

but most studios see this stuff as trade secrets

[austere warren]

I'm not supposed to notice it.

[tulip kettle]

they dont publicly share what exactly they do

[austere warren]

"EOMM drop rate public patent" as a query?

[deft stump]

Let me go find it. But yeah, patents and trials already happened.

[mental rock]

So you just think there should be no ranked system for team PvP games? Because there are going to be things beyond your control? Seems like an extremely weak standpoint

[deft stump]

People noticed it after awhile.

[tulip kettle]

i think ranked shouldnt exist in team based pvp games, yes

and i stated that myself and many others feel the peak of online gaming was before these systems existed

[deft stump]

Like, why they kill in 2 shots but then take 10+ to kill someone else.

[austere warren]

hm.

[deft stump]

Or even a funny one where someone just stood there eating 20+ shotgun blast and still standing as proof.

[austere warren]

Any names that you might remember? article titles? Doesn't have to be perfect. Genuinely curious about this angle because I've never heard of this before.

[graceful arch]

Not with engagement based systems it might purposefully swap between teams to stack with players to boost engagement.

[deft stump]

The devs don't expect you to be standing around so it's usually less noticeable.

[tulip kettle]

i did my research on EOMM stuff years ago, i will try to find some stuff but dont expect me to put much effort into it

[mental rock]

Well I disagree and having been present for the golden age of both RTS and MOBAs I think team PvP games would be a lot less appealing without a ranked system

[graceful arch]

If it just randomly assorted people in your elo range it wouldn't be much of a problem.

[tulip kettle]

just look yourself for EOMM based systems and how they work

[graceful arch]

I think ranked systems are fine how they are implemented is usually ass.

If you just pull 10 random players in the same elo bracket and randomly put them on teams is fine.

Anything more than that and it ends up with a algorithm game fixing.

[deft stump]

One of those modern shooters. Like CoD looking.

[tulip kettle]

true SBMM is, fine. not perfect, but fine

[mental rock]

Yeah obviously I disagree with ranked systems giving advantages to players for free wins, that's not what I'm arguing for

[tulip kettle]

COD itself uses EOMM

but again, its not confirmed

[austere warren]

Yeah that's fine. If I'm getting exposed to something at the stage of relatively unconfirmed heresay on my end with unknown knowledge then I piggyback off of things as a launchpad over time.

And well, proper research in general just takes a long time anyway.

[tulip kettle]

as in, developers and insiders say there is EOMM

but activision publicly denies it

[graceful arch]

That's what modern games do they stack the deck, so that people will play more, not necessarily even more fun

[tulip kettle]

all of the companies deny EOMM until they are proven to be using it

[austere warren]

And I'm definitely curious since I know I don't know more direct nuances like that specifically for matchmaking

[tulip kettle]

there was a big scandal in magic the gathering arena because of this

and to this day they deny doing it

[graceful arch]

It was a proven thing in league if your mmr was higher then your elo you would be put in worse teams on average on a regular basis.

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah, we used to say we didnt do it, then for a while we admitted we did, now we deny we ever did it again and definitely dont do it now

but ultimately you are trying to find info over proprietry industry information that people sign NDA's over and companies sue for millions about

[graceful arch]

Mmr is a form of skill rating completely hidden from the player.

[tulip kettle]

good luck finding specifics

[deft stump]

They actually was caught turning it off after the scandal.

[graceful arch]

Some tools could calculate your hidden mmr for league.

[mental rock]

So all I'm hearing is arguments against eomm and nothing against actual true sbmm in these games

[deft stump]

From my memory in that case.

[tulip kettle]

right dude

that is the point

these games DONT USE SBMM

they use EOMM

apex legends was caught using EOMM in 2018!

and, if they DID use true SBMM

[austere warren]

Oh don't worry. If I'm dedicated enough, I can follow crumbs to bigger piles of undeniable info. Again, it just takes time and solid amount of fucking around just to actually find out as in truly find out lol

[tulip kettle]

you would need to play hundreds of games to have any statistical weight to your skill rating

so say you improve by, lets say 100 "points" in a true SBMM system, where you can gain or lose 10 points per game

[austere warren]

But it wouldn't shock me to run into a sort of dead zone of information because of how companies can cover themselves from exposure through legal barriers and whatnot

[tulip kettle]

you would need to play 1 thousand games to gain that 100 points

[deft stump]

And I think said shooter was also one that's on consoles. So I don't think it's crazy amounts of cheaters.

[tulip kettle]

not a worthwhile use of your time.

[austere warren]

cod 4 or something. most of my knowledge on cod and why I hate it just comes from a better understanding of history it touches on and revises often. That and its rancid community and aspect as a recruitment tool.

[tulip kettle]

cod 4 had no matchmaking

[austere warren]

I almost never cared about convos surrounding its competitive systems.

[tulip kettle]

it used connection based matchmaking only

which is why it was so GOOD

from a matchmaking standpoint

sure, some games you would STOMP

and other games get stomped

but you always knew it was because you were better or worse

and never because an algorithm decided it

[summer prairie]

What if you are much worse at the game than most players

[tulip kettle]

then you lose a lot

[summer prairie]

doesn't sound very fun

[tulip kettle]

nope

which is why they started using EOMM!

to retain players

[summer prairie]

Sounds good then

[graceful arch]

Back in the day that would have been encouragement to improve.

[tulip kettle]

my friend hard sucked at cod

would lose 90% of games

[mental rock]

So what would need to happen for you to admit that a game is actually using sbmm? Do you want the devs make their system totally transparent, then you'd be fine with it? Because otherwise you can just claim that any and all games use eomm with little to no justification

[tulip kettle]

KDs looking like 2-20

[graceful arch]

I don't care about losing unless it's a lot in a row and completely out of my control.

Any loss of my own doing is completely fine with me.

[tulip kettle]

yes, full transparency for the entire matchaking algorithm is the only way

[deft stump]

I think it was one of the Modern Warfare games.

[tulip kettle]

as all of the major studios have been shown time and again for over a decade to use EOMM, and lie about it.

[austere warren]

I mean at that point that'd just be a company exposing itself for what is often forced on to devs to implement. That would just illuminate another aspect of how the industry functions, which is fundamentally bad for business because people could take very solid umbridge with that.

[tulip kettle]

EOMM doesnt work so good when you know its happening.

which, as an aside, is why i love darktide!

no matchmaking algorithms!

[deft stump]

What's MM? 4 idiots shoved into a game to goof around.

[austere warren]

Much like any other industry that has major players in it that get rightfully exposed for what amounts to maladaptive practices that are genuinely preyed upon by executives and passed down as a method of maintaining labor for developers, who are already on a knife's edge the majority of the time for ftp games in this context.

[graceful arch]

Teamates are just a hidden modifier

Change my mind

Anyways I have to drive now

Take care

[tulip kettle]

drive safe homie

[austere warren]

I don't care for "voting with wallets" as a concept since that's just nonsense but even within a pro-consumer sort of sphere of reality, those kinds of systems will turn people off and affect companies exploiting it.

[dusk wren]

EOMM works great

[deft stump]

It is, there was a brouhaha on it when caught. Like, legal cheating.

[dusk wren]

i think marvel rivals is still the most popular hero shooter

[austere warren]

Same thing can be said for how advertisers use consumer data fed by and informed by algorithms that just pretty much spy on people's lives to make assumptions on possible purchases or artificially skewing prices for online vendors. People don't like being creeped on by corporate surveillance, which doesn't at all function in a vacuum of problems like literally everything else.

[deft stump]

Legal mandated random but not quite cheating.

You get buffs on first game of the day to get you to feel good, then randomly after.

[austere warren]

Mm.

[dusk wren]

that's how free2play games trick you in

[austere warren]

I'm mostly coming at it from the angle of say something like dungeon fighter online as a strong example.

[tulip kettle]

now just imagine, for a moment

[deft stump]

But modern warfare isn't free.

[austere warren]

Granted, ptp mmos got this and definitely promoted it in their own from the beginning with a very different model at play.

[tulip kettle]

that you get these increases by spending money on the game

[dusk wren]

modern AAA games are like

[tulip kettle]

you go on a lose streak

[dusk wren]

free2play games that cost you 70 bucks

[tulip kettle]

buy an mtx skin

then get a win streak

[austere warren]

mtx?

[tulip kettle]

microtransactions

[austere warren]

microtransact?

ah i was right

[deft stump]

Funny when MLBB just state buying skins get you permanent stat buffs.

[tulip kettle]

why would a developer not implement such a thing

[deft stump]

Is why I refuse to call that game competitive.

[austere warren]

I'm usually accustomed to super obvious nonense like combat arms back in the day with its weapon "rental" system and special pre-modded weapons which were just guns that actually work.

[dusk wren]

lol

combat arms

[austere warren]

That shit was nuts.

[deft stump]

I don't care it's just +1 damage, it's unfair.

[austere warren]

"Put money on this assault rifle, which is just a gun that works"

[dusk wren]

nothing sillier than playing the zombie mode and seeing people deploy medkits, miniguns and other insane bs while free users failed to kill zombies with their peashooters

[austere warren]

...for 999 days or a perm for like a 20% increase upcharge

[austere warren]

That shit was nutty with how people like real shit started extortiing people in matches.

[deft stump]

That's a classic.

[austere warren]

"Pick my gun, you're kicked"

lmao

[deft stump]

Co-op survivors, pay or be useless.

[austere warren]

The gun you paid for that I'm better than you with.

😭

[tulip kettle]

i also am leaving for a while now but will just sum up like this. EOMM as a concept has been in development for close to 20 years. many studios have been caught using these systems while denying it. these systems increase player retention, engagement and revenues. these systems remove your agency as a player. These systems are closely guarded secrets by the companies that deploy them.

[austere warren]

Then again, you could get kicked from matches for getting a x4+ killstreak because hacking was so common that anything resembling competence was considered cheating

lol

Context never mattered.

[plucky flax]

Big suppressor for big shotgun

[dusk wren]

yeah i remember getting kicked for being actually good on the oilrig map with a g36e

[austere warren]

YEP

[deft stump]

Because they want you to keep spending.

[dusk wren]

(i picked the g36e because it came with a scope already)

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

[austere warren]

They walked into it too and stacked on each other didn't they?

Free headshot line

[plucky flax]

CALL IT

[dusk wren]

yeah, that gun became my favourite

[austere warren]

one of the few functional ftp weapons that punished you by being inherently a pain in the ass to get used to lmao

[dusk wren]

lil bro snipers on the roof getting killed by the silly scoped assault rifle

[austere warren]

I said fuck it and embraced the L9a1 and ftp m4a1 when I could afford it

[dusk wren]

m4ai is the default weapon rigth?

[austere warren]

M16 is

well

the shittiest possible m16

better versions of those guns were like

[dusk wren]

yeah it's insane how garbo it was

[austere warren]

m16 with uh the suppressor iirc

[dusk wren]

oh also do you remember the tryhards with the skin of the titty lady

[austere warren]

Basically if it came with a suppressor or ACOG out the box, it was a mainstay killer of a weapon.

[dusk wren]

they all picked her because she was fast (and a woman)

[austere warren]

Agents?

[dusk wren]

yeah

irrc it's the poster woman of the game

[austere warren]

Yeah I remember being banned from matches left and right because I finally had a premium bullshit thing when they gave it away for free temporarily.

[dusk wren]

viper yeah, the one with the glasses

[austere warren]

She was one of my favorites. Body suit and I think

[royal totem]

nothing like having a titty woman for "diversity"

[austere warren]

The gas grenade launcher by default?

I think is what it was.

But people were already doing stuff like ultra light armor, speed hats and femme models for the thinner profile.

helped with peeking and strafe dancing.

[dusk wren]

insane stuff

[austere warren]

I think the loadout was like

[wraith sphinx]

lmfao

[austere warren]

As in THE loadout

[wraith sphinx]

I remember this being an issue in Crossfire when I played that over 15 years ago

[austere warren]

was femme model, whatever the fastest possible light armor was, really good speed hats and other accessories and then like

+explosive resist shades?

[dusk wren]

and p90

[austere warren]

something like that

mfkers would ban you taking smokes and flash often which was hilarious in either direction because most people just aimed under the center of their usernames since the game gave you people's names when aimed at with the reticle lol

So if you were good enough and trusted yourself, smokes would become useless the moment you were dealing with people that knew better.

And if you brought flash and happened to be in a lobby that didn't ban flash there was literal item that I think could be rented for money that just negated flash entirely

[dusk wren]

yeah there was irrc

thank god we aren't in the world of shitty f2p p2w shooters anymore

[austere warren]

So you either used the best nade (if you could afford it), settle for the less effective default frag or risk getting banned for smoke/flash/fire/gas nades

...assuming you didn't get griefed by someone running hacks of any kind

lmao

[deft stump]

Uhh, you sure?

[dusk wren]

thank god i'm not in the world of shitty f2p pw2 shooters anymore

[deft stump]

They just moved to mobile for most parts lul.

[dusk wren]

instead i can play shitty bf6

[austere warren]

And then the most attractive FTP guns were always just barely good enough when compared to their modded premium counterparts

some outliers existed but if you just wanted something that worked, you had to pay for permanents

[deft stump]

Pay and pay unless you enjoy a range of peashooters.

[austere warren]

and permanent was more like

...really, really, really long rent periods.

iirc

[dusk wren]

it was permanent irrc

there was an option for really permanent

i think they removed it eventually tho

[austere warren]

idr if they ever reneged on that.

Yeah I feel like they did but I can't be 100% sure rn. I'm a whole ass adult talking about a game I played when I was like a child into early-mid teens.

[dusk wren]

i was like 8

[austere warren]

But the other option was the 999 day rent

[dusk wren]

and i occasionally had to use the laptop trackpad

or whatever they call the mouse thingy on the laptop

[austere warren]

I got good at that game through trackpad because that was all we had when I had time to play on the laptop lol

[dusk wren]

good times

[deft stump]

I mean, do you think the game will last longer than 3 years thing.

[austere warren]

When I finally got my first baby laptop machine that could at least play garbage dino fidelity ftp games, I unironically had to adjust to mouse because I was so accustomed to flick shooting as my main method of tracking while also just having to play wild as hell.

[austere warren]

It was around for a while before finally dying out tbh.

[deft stump]

Yeah, but the rent thing. Also a, do you think you'll play it more than 3 years.

[austere warren]

That was the sunk cost part yeah.

If you grinded it out hard enough while also taxing yourself to refresh your rental in order to get max days, you "had" a relliable ftp. But at that point that's like probably damn near the only game being played for that long for that purpose alone

[dusk wren]

you had to play like 5 hours each day

[austere warren]

90 days was usually the middle ground

iirc

[dusk wren]

yeah but free users basically had to rent for a week at most

[austere warren]

it was like 1 day, a week, 3 months, ~3 years or something

[austere warren]

Mhm.

You had to turn just using a gun into a job lmao

Internal community politics could offset it though

[dusk wren]

which is why i turned to battlefield play4free

with hacks

[austere warren]

If you were liked enough in a clan or whatever, sometimes you'd get spotted gifted weapon rentals and maybe even cash items.

[deft stump]

Isn't that like many games? You work a job to pay for shit or work in a game to pay for it and nothing else.

[austere warren]

trouble was getting in in the first place because a lot of clan "tryouts" was some bullshit

[dusk wren]

nah, now you work for it for the epic battlepass

[austere warren]

1 v X these people with preems lmao.

[dusk wren]

before, you worked for it to like

[austere warren]

on elim too

[dusk wren]

actually have a semi-decent experience

[austere warren]

or play elim for tryouts but play against people running preems anyway

"acceptable" preems.

[deft stump]

I mean to pay to continue playing.

[austere warren]

Oh hell yeah.

This was a game under nexon

Their main demographic is like kids and people who never dropped their titles well into their adulthood.

oh pay to continue playing oops

[dusk wren]

are you talking about games with subscription and the job being actually a irl job

[austere warren]

read too fast.

[austere warren]

Yeah that's a cdynamic in ptp mmos

[deft stump]

Yes, but you can grind your life away and pay for subs by playing.

[dusk wren]

oh i didn't know you could do that in mmos

[austere warren]

it was introduced as a way to like disrupt the gold farm market of other games.

not in total isolation bu ta major factor

And as a way to pull more people in that were enthusiastic to play enough to finance purchasing a token in an auction house in wow for example.

10k gold at its cap iirc.

If you were part of a guild or had personal connects of any kind that could really get you started with getting in on the auction house game, you just grind things out and eventually become a regular vendor in the market. Or just cycle the most lucrative market items that you could observe and make your money faster that way

In the past when the game was far more intense about time sinks for endgame prep, servers with faction dominance in greenlit pvp zones could effectively create a scenario where stacked organized players establishing themselves could just corner a server's economy

and from there, effectively steer portions of the high roller side of the market

FF14 allows people to buy premium currency that can be held on to like a bank in order to pay a sub forward at any time so long as they keep allowing it to be done

Layaway subscription purchases basically.

...which would probably still amount to something within an annual sub payout rate range for the player anyway. 🤣

[royal totem]

150 more reapers left to go

bleh

[marble crater]

2 more missions

[fresh panther]

There's tons of people in low cost of living countries playing mmos and farming resources to sell in game because it nets them enough to pay the bills there if you do it full time

They aren't thrilled when you kill them

[tulip kettle]

think this is a myth tbh

i heard this a lot about runescape but then on analysis it doesnt make sense at all

like, if you played for 18 hours a day and used efficient methods you might be able to make a couple dollars a day. like less than $1000 dollars a year. theres nobody that can afford a computer and an internet connection and energy costs that this makes economic sense for

gold farming in mmo's uses mass bot accounts

[icy breach]

I dislike subscription type payment - waste of money for basically smth you do not own in any way

[icy breach]

Thats… a nice bolt pistol
(Yes unironically i payed attention to that)

[deft stump]

Isn't that basically normal nowadays? Physical suffers diskrot... Digital is licenses.

[icy breach]

Subscription payment =/= digital copy
Destiny 2, FF online games & WoW are perfect examples of subscription based payment

[tulip kettle]

wtf is diskrot

sounds like a veneral disease

[icy breach]

I think she means disc getting worn

But those are archaic now; everything is digital

[deft stump]

All CDs will suffer it over time.

[tulip kettle]

cd's?

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

i store all my digital media on magnetic tapes, as the founding fathers intended

[deft stump]

Isn't destiny pay for expansions and such?

[acoustic jacinth]

Destiny is paying simulator

[tulip kettle]

side note, purging heretics and tunes is such a vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc9_dsv5YYA

[acoustic jacinth]

And the best part is, the people with thousands of hours and euros spent leaving

[icy breach]

Right; thx for correcting me
Still dogshit cause expansions have seasonal content that is lost

So you lose what you payed for

[austere warren]

Missions and the like might be rotated out, but sunsetting stopped being a thing back in like 2023 or something.

[deft stump]

Seems about normal. To keep the FOMO going.

[austere warren]

For weapons and armor at least.

Not sure if anything got walked back on or expanded.

But old content like campaigns for the oldest shit got cut.

[icy breach]

I accept FOMO in warframe cause i can return to that game any day and don’t feel like i lost content

But FOMO in destiny 2 is dogshit; main reason i stopped playing it & i loved that game… soo many good memories

[royal totem]

i can't find a havoc today. yet again

[marble crater]

Destiny is dead, is what it is

[dusk wren]

i was all like "hey maybe i'll try havoc for the first time today" and then boom

nobody is playing

[royal totem]

to get a game at this hour i have to try EU ._.

but EU people so mean

[wide kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-11044008572353593456

[dull scroll]

EU and Hong Kong have the most havoc lobbies, NA East is okayish, West and OCE is dead zone

[royal totem]

they never accept my meme vet build

[dull scroll]

I've seen HK fielding 16 lobbies on avg during peak times, they big on this game

[royal totem]

EU has lots of games

NA east had when the patch just dropped but now is trickling down

yeah nope i've gotten 10 declines today

sadge

[icy breach]

Are they tho?

[wraith sphinx]

Really? That's surprising considering how hard it is to find a decent havoc party during even peak eu hours

[dull scroll]

them mofo at EU is super picky for some reason 😏

[royal totem]

they keep declining me

[wraith sphinx]

Nah, he's just afraid of me

[royal totem]

they won't accept my keystoneless vet.

[icy breach]

They declined me too many times

[royal totem]

make that 13 declines today

[quiet inlet]

set one build to shout, then switch to your meme right before ready

[icy breach]

Gimme the build

[icy breach]

No; don’t do that - thats dogshit

[dull scroll]

I even get declined constantly in EU and have to host my own lobby if I want to play there during NA degen hours

[icy breach]

I personaly hate it

[royal totem]

i refuse to do the bait and switch

i think it's pretty dog

[quiet inlet]

It is, but desperate times

after 13 rejects, sounds like bold action is required

[zinc phoenix]

You store all your cloud data on magnetic tapes

[royal totem]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0696e60-1bdc-42a6-940e-cac6cb4deccf/meme-vet-keystoneless?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[zinc phoenix]

You just can’t access them directly and don’t really know about it

[acoustic jacinth]

The data is stored in the balls

[royal totem]

@icy breach my very meme vet build

i hope no vet mains are here. pretty sure they'd be screaming

[cosmic cobalt]

you should be put in cadis

[random loom]

Psykers! Question regarding Scrier’s Gaze. What’s better do you think - using it often with high Peril to activate talents like Warp Rider or to prolong it to get higher Precognition stacks?

[zealous wing]

both

[wraith sphinx]

Either works very well

[zealous wing]

if horde clearing, keeping it down with something like battlemed or crack of bone is nice, especially if i hear the monstrosity but dont see it yet, easier to build up stacks than hold quell for 30s

then, let it start climbing once the monster shows up to start the attack

[weary crane]

https://youtu.be/2NytLZHVE3o

Another example

[tulip kettle]

not going forwards after twins

not saying its just on you btw

[weary crane]

This isn't my video but there was like 10 seconds where they could've gone forward (going out in no cover) and there were still gunners and shooters

[royal totem]

@icy breach surprised you had no comment on my meme vet build lmao

[tulip kettle]

yes, push em

[icy breach]

not yet

[royal totem]

also, smokes saved us from getting gunned down while fighting twins

[tulip kettle]

they are getting specialist strike team upgraded to weakened

[royal totem]

so i guess that was nice

[royal totem]

huh?

[tulip kettle]

the weakened bosses are just specials

that get upgraded into bosses

[royal totem]

oh that. yeah.

[tulip kettle]

see this all the time though

teams wont go forward

director punishes

bogged down by bosses

further punishment

cascade into fail

also, darktide looks fucking amazing after playing games from 20 years ago, i forget how beautiful it is

[royal totem]

if

the inferno psyker

just sits behind everybody

what are they even doing

(the answer is nothing. they were doing nothing worthwhile. )

[plucky flax]

Why does this guy play with camera shake on RIP my eyes

[weary crane]

Immersion

[royal totem]

my and the other vet were mowing down hordes before the inferno psyker even got there and then they did nothing

[timber cairn]

anyone know how to turn these off?

[plucky flax]

Ye update your mod.

[timber cairn]

cheers

[icy breach]

well; its not meme tbh; recon las builds tended to get no keystone - there is like 2 maybe 3 talent diffrenece from mine so its ok

[royal totem]

i'm trying to find a path that would let me get grenade upgrade

but i can't find it

[icy breach]

what mark of recon you use?

[royal totem]

Accatran

[icy breach]

THEY ARE ALL ACCATRAN

[royal totem]

oh ._.

12

[marble crater]

Boomer

[icy breach]

There; better

[royal totem]

hmmmm losing 10% attack speed feels bad but i don't think it gets better honestly

[weary crane]

Lasgun talent so far down

[royal totem]

it's kinda ass that it's so far down but can't do anything about it

15 rejections today 🙁 💔

[strong gulch]

Vermintide 2 is free on steam!

[royal totem]

nobody wants me today

havoc 2 hard

[strong gulch]

Play VT2 instead

[languid furnace]

Oh shit!!

[languid furnace]

It blows my mind that they still do major content updates for that game

[weary crane]

Was it always free?

[languid furnace]

No, definitely not

[strong gulch]

No. It's free through the 23rd.

[languid furnace]

How’s everybody doing today??

[weary crane]

Damn I'll get it then thanks

[royal totem]

i got it but idk if i'll play it

[random loom]

Thanks for the reply! Yeah that makes sense. Can I show you my current build and ask your opinion?

[zealous wing]

certainly

[marble crater]

Hexis is a flamer, beware

[random loom]

Wait how do I post a screen shot here

[zealous wing]

you cant until red name but you can send a link to the build editor

[marble crater]

You don't because of lack of permissions

[random loom]

Aaah

Alright 2 secs

[marble crater]

Can upload to imgur and post the link though

[zealous wing]

orthus offensive.... malice.... 11 deaths

[timber cairn]

it IS updated

latest version

[zealous wing]

i was with 3 vets

[royal totem]

hexis is a scab flamer

[zealous wing]

they kept shooting rodins shield 😭

[royal totem]

i'm a vet with ammo. i gotta shoot. pew pew

[zealous wing]

im surprised i only downed twice, (once to the shield explode bug thing) rinda was entirely on my ass and this baby psyker has no KD

[zealous wing]

rodins shield is mega vulnerable to melee. a good stab with deimos and its over halfway gone on malice

but with rinda on my ass, yknow, the one who is vulnerable to bullets, i couldnt get to rodin

[royal totem]

i know. i'm just making bad joke cuz vets pew pew and all

[zealous wing]

i swear rinda always prioritises the psyker

which, would be smart if it were real life

[royal totem]

very smart

it would be smart of Rinda to know get rid of hexis first

or hexis will carry

[zealous wing]

anyway, psykerX has KD now, now i can tank

2 more levels and she's up for consideration on deletion

might use her to practice a few weapons beforehand, but i could also use one of my main psykers for that and then keep the weapon if i like it

also need to figure out which builds on psykermain1 to move to psykermain2

surge surge 100% moving to Dunamis (psykermain2)

[strong gulch]

@zealous wing You got VT2?

[zealous wing]

possibly VB as well

i do, ye, bought it when it was on sale a lil while ago though

not installed

dont have much space to work with, gotta install the 4tb

[random loom]

Took a wee while! But here’s the build:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0698b99-a848-43a3-9f59-a50ea76d489f/havoc-40-meleeker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[zealous wing]

looking now

[random loom]

Meant for high havoc, front liner. Not sure if I’m missing out on damage potential by investing so much in defensive nodes.

Idea is to stack SG stacks as much as possible for juicy stabs vs bosses for instance

[zealous wing]

alright first notice, gunner resist doesnt stack additively, you get diminishing returns, so 1 or 2 would work fine

[random loom]

Yeah I’m aware but the little extra percentage from the third one makes a difference I feel

[tulip kettle]

drop battle med

take warp unbound

[random loom]

(Hate getting caught with my pants down by a reaper)

Warp Unbound doesn’t do what I want though

I want high SG stacks

[zealous wing]

assail is usually the blitz paired on meleekers as well, you have BB but no KF, so if you have your heart set on BB, i do suggest KF.

warp splitting is also something that would be good to have

[tulip kettle]

you d want it

[random loom]

Not extra 10 sec at high peril

[tulip kettle]

for more EK spam when required

battle med doing very little

battle med has very low pay off

[strong gulch]

IDK about BB without KF. Also note that on rot maps, you will have fewer DD marks.

[tulip kettle]

and i would drop warp speed for warp splitting

[random loom]

Mostly use EK for maniac sniping or specialist little else

[tulip kettle]

and yeah no kf is questionable

yeah i assume as much

[random loom]

See I am torn on KF

[tulip kettle]

its still better

[random loom]

Because other talents are so strong

[tulip kettle]

and there is no point taking BB with EK if no KF

otherwise it looks good

[random loom]

And the 12 sec proc doesn’t seem to outweigh let’s say 20% dmg vs ogryns

[marble crater]

KF is free damage, is good

[tulip kettle]

you would drop warp speed, and battle med

those are the 2 doing the least

and KF and warp splitting are very good

[marble crater]

Battle Meditation bad

[tulip kettle]

if you really dont want WU

[random loom]

I feel like WU is kinda wasted as I mostly use the sword

[tulip kettle]

thats fine

so take warp splitting and KF

[random loom]

The speed feels so good for dodging and rushing gunners

But you reckon it’s dead weight?

[tulip kettle]

thats what ee plus spamming your EK is for

[random loom]

Mettle and DD is prolly find

[tulip kettle]

indeed

[zealous wing]

ye

[tulip kettle]

mettle alone does all the work you need

DD is a bonus

and yes, curios, change one to HP instead of toughness

and drop one gunner res for corruption resist

[random loom]

So maybe drop Battle Med for kinetic flayer and warp speed for cleave?

[tulip kettle]

indeed

[random loom]

However I’ve been using the special a lot for cleaving

Like the actual blade cleaves a lot

[tulip kettle]

and the above curio changes to not get deleted by bursters

[random loom]

Not just the projectile

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt cleave nearly as much without warp splitting

warp splitting takes it from ok to very good

[random loom]

Gotcha

[zealous wing]

basically, everything psyker than makes psyker strong is up in the 70+ peril range

[random loom]

Does Warp Splitting work to get more By Crack procs?

Or do they work against each other?

[zealous wing]

assail is used because of its high versatility and quick peril managing

[tulip kettle]

yes it will help you get BCoB

[random loom]

I feel assail kinda drops off in havoc though - what with rotten and all that

[tulip kettle]

assail is best with mm

[zealous wing]

its still useful

[tulip kettle]

which you dont have and cant afford without dropping JaD

which i would personally do

but yu dont have to

[random loom]

well I mostly use JaD to protect against pox bursters and gas

[zealous wing]

assail is a free ride to high peril whenever you need it, and it staggers dreg ragers (nonbluestim) to give you an opening for attack

[wheat bluff]

Assail will carry you throughout the early psyker levels, but it kind of falls off in usefulness with upgraded staffs. It’s still good though, I like throwing my spicy ice crystals

[tulip kettle]

yup theres nothing wrong with it

[random loom]

But maybe with the changes in curios it’d be fine?

[tulip kettle]

JaD is the best DR talent in the game by a wide margin

its completely fine

i just dont personally like it

and MM would give you more dmg at the expense of the tankiness from JaD

but MM doesnt really work with your build as is

[random loom]

mm could work with the ek staff

[tulip kettle]

yes but then you would need to use it more

[random loom]

Would be worth if I grab MM

And spec into kinetic flayer for even bigger boss hits for instance

[tulip kettle]

KF just gurantees that when you shoot that special, it dies

etc

big boss hits are just a bonus

[wheat bluff]

If I need stagger and push force in the moment, I’ll usually bring the voidburst or flame staff. Assail is really fun, but once you upgrade a staff enough it falls off in usefulness. It’s really good with melee Psyker though

[tulip kettle]

which is what this is

its just for weaving to maintain peril and proc MM

[languid furnace]

What do we think of the Electrokinetic staff, by the way? Is there a way to make it on par with the blaze staff or the blast staff (I can’t remember the actual name of the one that puts the AoE blast on the ground)

[tulip kettle]

not really

its very good

but a different function

[wheat bluff]

The primary fire is good, but the secondary fire is only useful for stunning enemies

[languid furnace]

It was my favorite staff leveling up but it seems to drop off hard when you start going into higher difficulties

[random loom]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0698b99-a848-43a3-9f59-a50ea76d489f/havoc-40-meleeker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[marble crater]

EK is the most fun staff and very good

[random loom]

How about this then

[languid furnace]

Yeah exactly, and the M1 spam is just hella boring

[tulip kettle]

its very good, and you can build around secondary on it

[languid furnace]

How do you usually set it up? I love the secondary charged attack

[tulip kettle]

but it requires a full build around abusing SG

[marble crater]

Objectively false

[wheat bluff]

How so?

[tulip kettle]

warp flurry + nexus + dont dump charge speed + warp unbound + warp charges

= infinite rmb casting at 100% peril

[random loom]

I like the EK as like a wizard revolver

[tulip kettle]

but that build is not this one

[marble crater]

Because the secondary fire is great at taking out specials, gunners and building peril for shriek

[random loom]

And the second fire is good for opening up bulwarks, but I guess force push does that too

[languid furnace]

THANK YOU!!! The EK was always my favorite staff to use, I was frustrated that I couldn’t make it work when I got to higher difficulties

[tulip kettle]

for this one, just drop warp speed and battle med for warp splitting and KF and id say its perfect

[random loom]

Should I pick up MM too?

[tulip kettle]

i would personally run it with assails and MM instead of BB with KF but thats a taste thing

[wheat bluff]

That’s a fair point, but it’s mostly just used for stunning said specials until they die

[tulip kettle]

i think dont bother with MM as it wont work with your playstyle

[languid furnace]

I didn’t think about the stun element, that’s a good point

[tulip kettle]

you really want to be getting your 5 stacks, which is gonna waste your SG time

[wheat bluff]

But at the same time, if you really wanted a good stun, you could sell your soul and go with a smite build

[tulip kettle]

get out.

[wheat bluff]

I’ve never used it before, just seen others use it

[tulip kettle]

never speak such heresy here again

BB with KF is more hands off, better burst dmg against key targets

assail + MM is better baseline dmg level but worse burst and more micro intensive

[wheat bluff]

Smite saved a havoc run for my team onetime because of all of the god damn poxbursters

[random loom]

What if I used EK in between SG uptimes?

[wheat bluff]

I’ve never used it personally though, but I’ve heard that it’ll teach players horrible habits

[tulip kettle]

you will explode

[random loom]

And would the FGS special work with MM?

Remember EK quells hella fast

[tulip kettle]

it does, but its also kinda useless to you

if youre specialing and killing 5 things, you aint gonna be hitting anything with your sword

[languid furnace]

I’ve used it a couple times, it’s like playing with cheat codes on. Novel at first but you’re not really playing the game. It’s just dull

[wheat bluff]

Autism brain blast is still my favorite though purely for the upgrade that does one automatically every 12 seconds

[zealous wing]

autism brain blast?

[wheat bluff]

Brain burst

[tulip kettle]

i assume he means BB but decided to be ableist for no reason idk

[wheat bluff]

I’m very autistic

Like actually properly diagnosed

[random loom]

Thank you for helping me out by the way guys

[zealous wing]

but why autism brain blast?

[floral wedge]

Jimmy Neutron would be a psyker

[zealous wing]

if anything my head feels like its exploding not being crushed

[wheat bluff]

I was literally about to type this out

[random loom]

By the way - which aura you reckon is best for my kind of build?

[tulip kettle]

for yours, crit chance

[random loom]

Roger that

[tulip kettle]

seers presence also very good

but crit chance means you can spam that EK at shooters and get all the EE procs you need to be safe

[floral wedge]

i love leaving a game having only taken 450 dmg while the other two had at least 1k dmg taken

with no one playing an ogryn or arby

[wheat bluff]

Because I thought it would be funny

[tulip kettle]

its only 5%, but every extra 5% helps when you already have crit chance hovering around 50%

[wheat bluff]

[floral wedge]

oh lord the zealot walked away having taken 3k

[zealous wing]

marty?

[floral wedge]

no lol

[zealous wing]

lmao

[floral wedge]

everyone kept dying is why

[royal totem]

only 3k? those are rookie numbers

[tulip kettle]

i just had 3 games in a row where i did more dmg than all 3 of my team mates put together into rot armour stimms playing inferno

[floral wedge]

it was only a simple damnation\

[tulip kettle]

i have turned the game off again

[royal totem]

yeah gotta take at least 5k in damnation

[wheat bluff]

Psyker is able to output stupid DPS if you play them right

[floral wedge]

i took less than 500

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[royal totem]

clearly you don't eat enough damage

[floral wedge]

i would rather not lmao

[royal totem]

i just walked away from a game having only taken 80 damage

[floral wedge]

only half a mil in dmg dealt, but im okay with that

[wheat bluff]

I remember one havoc 40 game on Ogryn I took over 2.6k damage

[floral wedge]

well, 500k not including overdmg

[random loom]

Man I wish I could afford warp speed though

But then I guess it’s hard to utilize properly in high havoc

[royal totem]

i'm trying to remember which one warp speed is

[mighty cipher]

20% speed

[royal totem]

ah

[random loom]

It’s more of a fun pick

Feels good to zoom

[tulip kettle]

thing is

when scrier active

you be bonking

so, although its nice, its really not needed and other stuff is giving you much better value

[royal totem]

anybody want to help me with a havoc?

if not i'm gonna go nap

[tulip kettle]

what do you have?

[royal totem]

22 Consignment Yard rituals and stims

but ideally i'd want at least 2 more ppl

[tulip kettle]

sure if its eu or us E

[strong gulch]

Give me a couple minutes and I can log

sounds like I'm gonna poop

log

[royal totem]

wut

i've been playing on EU all morning lul

[tulip kettle]

if beans is playing im definitely down for it

[royal totem]

ok i'll wait for you two

[strong gulch]

loading in

[royal totem]

do i have a 3rd person to drag into havoc today?

[tulip kettle]

hexis is playing on psyker x

can probably bully into it once his mission is done

i mean

politely ask

[royal totem]

oh no.

Hexis may be a scab flamer but we're learning Dom is the tox flamer

[strong gulch]

fixing a build up

[tulip kettle]

ready to buuurrrrnnnn em up

I. AM. READDDDYYYYY

[royal totem]

friend request sent so i can stop finding you by friend code lul

[tulip kettle]

im also nice really

[royal totem]

i'll be in strike team 100 if anybody wants to find me. if not i can survive without voice lol

[strong gulch]

https://discord.gg/aqk5rJja

[tulip kettle]

no mic today as i have been yapping in meetings but ill join

[zealous wing]

didnt take long

yall already in mission

gonna help someone with fresh havocs tho soon so its ok

[random loom]

I have another question for youse professionals

If you had to choose between Just a Dream and Anticipation while using the FGS, what would you pick?

[mighty cipher]

Preference

[zealous wing]

^

i never really take anticipation

[mighty cipher]

Do you more mobility or some extra safety

[random loom]

See I feel that 3 dodges is usually enough

[mighty cipher]

Safety nets are GOOD. Errors are inevitable.

[random loom]

The extra dodge duration is nice when I have a spawn in my face but otherwise I think I’m good with 3

[zealous wing]

tbh all you gotta do is dodge under the tentacle and youre fine, doesnt matter tons how far you can dodge

usually melee/gunker have a gun for mobility when its needed, but youve got two low mobility weapons so maybe you benefit, idk

[tulip kettle]

i always

take anticipation with FGS

and never JaD

its preference

[random loom]

BTW Warp Splitting was a really good call

Just did a match where I used it instead of battle meditation and my SG stacks were still really good

And I got to fire off twice as many fgs specials

Really helps with charging the sword

So I’m thinking MM might be a good pick too

[zealous wing]

more cleave, more damage

[random loom]

Which would give even better cleaving with that juicy 25%

[mighty cipher]

This map can suck me good and hard through my jorts

[languid furnace]

Which map?

[mighty cipher]

323 ranged elites

[mighty cipher]

The ammo stash one.

[royal totem]

ty @tulip kettle @strong gulch

[tulip kettle]

no worries, was fun

ggwp

please use the build editor

[strong gulch]

=====================================================================================

put to talk moment

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[royal totem]

i'm more aggressive on vet than arb 🤔

this might be a problem

[tulip kettle]

you did really well

[strong gulch]

Thanks for game and carry. 🫡

[tulip kettle]

i noticed you realising you were hitting pox walkers at the back

and immediately stopping and running to the front

was very good

[languid furnace]

Oh my god I hate that map. One of the hardest in the game imo

[royal totem]

why bother being in the back? vets should be on the frontline 😏

[languid furnace]

Yeah absolutely! My bad

[tulip kettle]

from what i saw it looked completely fine for a shriek based EK build. i prefer to play EK with scriers and then use FGS for horde clear which looks a bit different

[royal totem]

i use shriek with EK mainly cuz i don't like FGS

i'm in the vast minority. i'm aware

[languid furnace]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a069aa04-bed6-4fe1-8b74-535507aec3f0
there we go

[languid furnace]

Ah gotcha. I hadn’t thought of using SG with it

[tulip kettle]

yeah that build looks functional. i think you arent particularly leaning into the the strengths of anything you have though if you get what i mean

i question why PoTS

and why no OWtW

i also think this looks like a build where you mainly use the staff

[brazen warren]

rending for assail and staff looks like

[tulip kettle]

which is poop

because of how they work

[strong gulch]

tachycardia over one with the weenie /jk

[brazen warren]

also soulblaze, but its purely from talents

[tulip kettle]

its garbo here

thats my point

PoTS does nothing for any of your sources of warp damage

[royal totem]

@strong gulch oh no ._. my next havoc is terrible. it's the cursed 4th mod

[austere warren]

Cardio psycho 100

[tulip kettle]

ahh, but is it "fun spooky times" or "good god chemical warfare is a warcrime for a reason"

[marble crater]

Zealot

[royal totem]

hunting grounds with power supply interruption 4th mod

[tulip kettle]

so fun spooky times

hounds is also GREAT

its the only modifier that actively makes the game easier

[royal totem]

how so?

[tulip kettle]

the dogs take up the directors budget

and are just free procs

[royal totem]

ahh

fair enough

[tulip kettle]

free PC

[fiery stratus]

Actually I play everything, zealot chat just has the most shitposting normally

[austere warren]

I like lights out. :^)

[tulip kettle]

free psyk aura

[strong gulch]

many PC proc and shriek go brrr

[austere warren]

With or without it tbh but it's cool when auras are spinning.

[fiery stratus]

Snoop cat

[royal totem]

@tulip kettle melee twin shield takes bonus damage from ranged right?

does that mean i should shoot it?

[random loom]

I always just do heavy attacks on them because they don’t have that damage limit like regular cap shields do

[royal totem]

i've been meleeing them but i want to know if i've been doing it wrong

[fiery stratus]

Not sure about twins off the top of my head but normal captains its better to melee, ranged doesn't do much pretty much intentionally. Its also generally better to spam lights, heavies dont do much and lights break it faster

[royal totem]

i know normal captains

i just dunno twins

[fiery stratus]

The shields are the same as far as I know

[royal totem]

i think somebody earlier said they're not but i unsure

[tulip kettle]

they arent sry was in game

they both take more dmg from melee than ranged

[royal totem]

ok cool got it

[tulip kettle]

rodin has extra resistance vs ranged

[royal totem]

i see

[brazen warren]

I use my vraks with raking fire to backstab pop captain shields, as the dps ignores the per strike damage caps

with an active squad we can bully a boss into the ground pretty quick

[tulip kettle]

afaik you dont get location based damage into the shield

no weakspots or backstabs

[brazen warren]

I would have to check, still shreds either way

boss dps gun goes brrr

[tulip kettle]

once their shields are down for sure

but rinda just takes normal damage from guns into shield and rodin has dmg resist to guns into shield

they both take bonus dmg from melee

[languid furnace]

Which one is that? And yeah, it’s meant to be a staff build mostly. Like I said, I’m not experienced making builds at all, so if you have suggestions on leaning more into the strengths, I’m all ears

[tulip kettle]

one with the warp, toughness damage resist based on peril half way down the tree

[languid furnace]

I figured the additional rending would be useful for the staff, but I’ll drop it if it doesn’t need it

[tulip kettle]

really, with EK, you want to focus on either right clicks or left clicks

[royal totem]

Shovel go bonk thankfully

[languid furnace]

Oh yeah, thank you. I definitely meant to take that

[tulip kettle]

so choose which you prefer and then ill give some suggestions

and as EK does trash dmg to carapace anyway rending is kinda pointless on it

[languid furnace]

Definitely right click. Should I drop the nodes that give bonuses to right click when you use left click, and vice versa?

[languid furnace]

Got it, thank you

[tulip kettle]

yeah they are harder to get value from

one sec

[languid furnace]

I noticed that when I tried the build out, yeah. Realistically you’re not really alternating between M1 and M2

[tulip kettle]

this is 29 points, spend the last one on one of the circled talents for extra defence, whichever you prefer. you can also consider running a second and dropping empathic evasion

then run an FGS to kill trash mobs and crushers

flak + crit chance on staff, warp flurry and nexus

[verbal thistle]

no in fire reborn?

[tulip kettle]

no soulblaze

except PC

which is also droppable

[verbal thistle]

I see

[tulip kettle]

this is just funny haha i spam right clicks build

[wraith sphinx]

what staves do you use with this?

[tulip kettle]

EK only

[wraith sphinx]

I see

[tulip kettle]

is just abusing scriers + WU + Warp rider + charges to get infinite casting

[languid furnace]

Thank you!!! That’s a great bonus because I love the FGS

[languid furnace]

Thank you so much

[tulip kettle]

with another psyker you would likely make a few changes and i wouldnt really try to run this in a H40, but in aurics its a blast

[wraith sphinx]

I can't check rn but I think my EK build is the only one with disrupt destiny with purloin providence

peril management on rmb ek is so annoying for the damage output it offers

[strong gulch]

I recently loaded into an auric that was basically all shooters and I just held LMB down the whole.

Just running ahead launching balls and crying because the spawns were not what I was expecting.

[tulip kettle]

thats why you do this build

no peril management

[strong gulch]

Do you mean your personal EK LMB spam build or the general rec is perloin?

[tulip kettle]

just cast all the time and press scriers

[strong gulch]

Because with SG DD (and no purloin) there is VERY little off time, and with warp charges it's just spam it.

[wraith sphinx]

oh right gaze reduces your peril by 50% now

I keep forgetting

[tulip kettle]

yup and then warp unbound also

its off cd again with charges before WU ends

so you just cast without caring and make sure you kill stuff during WU

[zealous wing]

lol tail

[royal totem]

Wut

[zealous wing]

was going down an elevator and the tail flew up into my crosshair, not much else to it

[plucky flax]

Happy to see you.

[graceful arch]

Hello people on the interwebs

[royal totem]

Hello nolife

Im awake again

[plucky flax]

Yo this colour is kind of clean

[marble crater]

What game is that?

[plucky flax]

It's darktide 3 sry.

[loud girder]

funny scope

[royal totem]

.....i find it really frustrating when arbs refuse to hit the boss

[weary idol]

fucked up sights

[long wharf]

wait a minute

[royal totem]

huh i thought you don't like the arb shotgun

[long wharf]

the latest dev blog has info from the Narrative Lead for Darktide, who has been with FatShark for 3 years

... does this mean FatShark announced they were treating Darktide as a Live Service game with no Narrative Lead?

[wind spruce]

You barely even need warp charges tbh, you'll get 16 seconds off your cd during WU assuming PA is up the whole time, so you only need a 4s bridge to your next scriers assuming seers presence and curio CDR

If you can spend just 6.66s in active scriers (again, assuming PA is up) there's literally zero gap

[wheat bluff]

Anyone got a melee Psyker build with the blaze force greatsword?

[strong gulch]

check pins

[wheat bluff]

Alright

[marble crater]

Or it was a different one before?

[long wharf]

Google doesn't seem to be able to find another

[zealous wing]

im confused as to what you mean

if he's been with them 3 years, and the games been out for 3 years... ??

[long wharf]

yep

and before release, Lead Producer said Darktide was a Live Service game

just another thing the devs had no idea what they were in for

[zealous wing]

they can make a desired storyline without a lead, the lead is just the person who takes the reigns and keeps track of shit while the rest of the team do their other things

ie, they had a starting point, then the lead was hired to followup and followthrough

[royal totem]

i need more of Hexis carrying me lul

[zealous wing]

how so

[royal totem]

these randoms arent cutting it 🙁

[marble crater]

You be the carry, your time to shine

[long wharf]

randos rarely do

[royal totem]

i'm not Karien. i can't carry 🙁

[marble crater]

Not with that attitude

[plucky flax]

It's canted sight.

[wheat bluff]

How would I use scryers gaze for a melee Psyker build? Do I use it before combat, during combat, or some other time?

[royal totem]

you don't get much use out of it if you're not fighting. so at start of combat i suppose is the answer

[plucky flax]

Spam it and call it a day.

[long wharf]

if you even hear an enemy, you activate it

see a horde? active it

[wheat bluff]

Alright

[long wharf]

it literally does everything

defense, offense, mobility

which is why it's such shit design

[wheat bluff]

Would recon lasgun be good for a ranged option if I’m running a melee psyker?

[royal totem]

yes

[wheat bluff]

Because I got one from the armory that’s an 80 in all stats except stability

[vale sage]

either that or laspistol

i prefer laspistol because it has better movement but you can't go wrong with either

[royal totem]

dump is mobility for lasgun i think? uncertain though

[modest perch]

collat

[zealous wing]

oh yeah randomly reminded. @royal totem ...

[wheat bluff]

I tested it in the meat grinder, the stability doesn’t seem to matter if you’re ADS

[dusk wren]

stability doesn't really matter in the lasguns

[wheat bluff]

Alright

[zealous wing]

if you make some throw away characters like i do, skip campagin, do the melk' contracts, delete, repeat, you can buy weapons from him then sell them for ordo

[dusk wren]

they have basically 0 recoil

[royal totem]

huh i've never thought of doing that

[zealous wing]

you could easily do it with arby because he's easy to play right out the box

[brazen warren]

when using scriers you have to ask if you are going into warp powers or not. I use it for the steroid and passive peril management

[zealous wing]

reconlas dump is collateral for psyker

not mobility

[royal totem]

huh i didn't know that

[verbal thistle]

for all classes

[zealous wing]

reconlas is your movementstick, especially if you use a slower weapon like FGS

[royal totem]

hmmm.......

nah i'm too lazy to roll for a better recon las then

only have 3.2m ordo dockets

[zealous wing]

for vraks people say mobility but i have found ammo dump to be perfectly fine as long as i keep discipline

is only 22 less bullets

[wheat bluff]

I got one that was dumb stability, but stability doesn’t really seem to matter

At least for the lasguns

[royal totem]

playing with Dom has made me a more aggressive player

i used to be so happy sitting in the back shooting random things

[languid furnace]

Auric is what I’d be using it in

So thank you

[strong gulch]

Yeah staying behind isolates you and then the game sends stuff to target you. Also some players don't want to wait around for people to keep lingering away from the team.

Note that there's a difference between watching the back and staying behind.

Some people also just like to hold W as much as possible. Not the same as keeping a quick pace.

[royal totem]

if you're in the back it's easy to get cut off

[strong gulch]

The game specifically punishes you for staying behind which makes getting back to the team harder.

[zealous wing]

she's done 😔

[marble crater]

Now level your next psyker, Potato 2

[zealous wing]

😔

time to send psyker 10 to the black ship

i seriously hope scum is a similarly enjoyable leveling process for me

having variety in if i level psyker or something else would be nice

[marble crater]

True, because that's what the game is about, leveling characters

[zealous wing]

why else would they give us so much diamantine and plasteel, huh?

[marble crater]

Because the old crafting system sucked

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they’d just let us buy the stats we want on the weapon and get rid of the last vestige of the old system

[royal totem]

NO.

we can't have nice things

hexis will be shocked

i actually played a round of FGS

[zealous wing]

shocked that you did? no. i'd be more shocked if you found it tolerable enough to do again with your previous dislike for it. a pleasantly shocked at that.

[royal totem]

i'd probably play it again but not sure i like playing KF with it

[quiet inlet]

[syker X was fucking fast

[royal totem]

Hexis has leveling down to a science

[zealous wing]

slower than normal actually

i kept her on malice to stretch it out longer

[royal totem]

maybe i should give assail another try...........

thinking

but i already don't get accepted into havocs as shout plasma vet. what's my chances as gunker

[zinc phoenix]

KF is really good with sg and dd on the fgs I promise

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1441590057608937634/31F64F1.MP4?ex=692258dd&is=6921075d&hm=af0fba1920c5a70c889e06c50160229aeeb4dff30c4128cc65115a36049611e7&

the tpose rager that kills you with his mind

[royal totem]

I was playing bubble

[zinc phoenix]

Ok well that’s gonna suck

You need assail for the peril to fuel your ragggggge

And also because without sg the horde clear can be kinda lacking

[royal totem]

Dunno. I managed. Im sure its not optimal though

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight handles fine in havoc

[royal totem]

Not sure it does with kf

[zealous wing]

bubbleknight uses assail

assail, FGS, reconlas, bubble, DD

[royal totem]

Not sure what blessing to use on reconlas

[prime elk]

dumdum infernus is standard

or dd deathspitter if you don't like to burn heretics

[zealous wing]

farewell psykerX

[quiet inlet]

may the empah find sustenance in their shining soul

[zealous wing]

@strong gulch one sec

was in character creation

[strong gulch]

shit

sry

[zealous wing]

nah is oki

k am done

[strong gulch]

Hexis Psyker tarot deck when?

11 is justice btw

[royal totem]

Oh is potato playing with hexis?

[strong gulch]

ye

[royal totem]

Cool cool

Im eating fried rice

[zealous wing]

they're gonna drag this poor mans to auric

he doesnt know 😭

[quiet inlet]

with a snazzy outfit like that

and there's less than a 50% chance of hishock, you'll be fiiiiine

[royal totem]

Oh no

[strong gulch]

Once of us can stream is you want Nem