psyker-class

[eager knoll]

One with the warp rider

[quaint lark]

mhm

[floral wedge]

I love edging my brain aneurysm for more power
My Beloved says it's the correct way to live.

[quaint lark]

Yes my Beloved i should nearly try to kill myself all the time

also if you use the gaze as your about to pop it stops it

[floral wedge]

My favorite bit of peril tech
Canceling it for more power

[quaint lark]

people hate smyker, but tbh its how each person plays, they just need a good smyke

[eager knoll]

the thing i see them doing wrong most is forgetting to move

[quaint lark]

omg yes

always keep moving

no matter what

[dusk timber]

people need a good psyker with smite

not a smyker

[floral wedge]

using a chainsword and autopistol with assail and gaze is super funny to me

[eager knoll]

and then more shit spawns on them and they are dead adn they can't see that the team left them because their whole screen is purple

[floral wedge]

tbh the only time i hold smite for longer than five seconds is when the director decides to try and break the team with a carapace spawn

or a particularly ill timed horde spawn

[stable ether]

I do love that the psykers Moebin 53rd armor reminds me of MaxTac from Cyberpunk

[floral wedge]

well they're both fucking psychos that are barely controllable so

[stable ether]

What does the Penance for Malleus Monstronum mean by "after damaging 50 of its health"

[zealous wing]

50%

deal 50% of its hp with BB

[stable ether]

Righto

It is just worded in the weirdest way

[floral wedge]

that's like my only penance left on psyker
i dont have the homies to do it with 😭

[quaint lark]

i just say smyker lol

[zealous wing]

smykers are referring to people who think smite is their main weapon

[eager knoll]

[quaint lark]

ohh ok, i mean i do use it as my main but in a good way as i only do hard missions so theres always a shitton of hordes of elites

[zealous wing]

so you are indeed a smyker then

[eager knoll]

smichael

[quaint lark]

but a good one

[zealous wing]

the melee weapon is listed as primary for a reason

[eager knoll]

i like to use my voidblast staff every minute or so

or i use its primary on a sniper

[zealous wing]

and, if youre turning off all your teams on dodge talents, youre not as good as you think you are. you need to be killing the horde and elites not tickling them

[quaint lark]

ik but smite does so good, and im also behind them a lil and normally covering their 6 unless they really need help

[quaint lark]

i am

i murder hordes and elites

easily

[zealous wing]

with melee/ranged or with smite

[quaint lark]

both

[plucky flax]

I use smite bubble it's op

[quaint lark]

my smite can kill a gunner with ease, even a healing gunner

[eager knoll]

i only like to use the greatsword on soyker; i enjoyed it a lot in vermintide

[quaint lark]

its good if someone knows what their doing

[zealous wing]

honestly the ideal pairing

[quaint lark]

greatsword is good

[plucky flax]

It's certified h40 ready build.

[zealous wing]

smite stops you from overloading so you can use bubble easier than with a stave or other blitz

[eager knoll]

smite and shield has felt like the most useful pairing with smite but i am not a havocmaxxer

but keeping the shield clear feels kinda nice

[quaint lark]

mhm

[dusk timber]

just dont go with gaze and try to permasmite

[zealous wing]

bubble in havoc, esp with randoms, lets you have some control over the group

[eager knoll]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0622c21-0e97-45f7-a964-ab39d051019b/solo-quickplay-bubble-spam-auric this is what i play when i want to have a shield available, it feels good

(auric build)

[quaint lark]

ive casted 3 bubbles almost at once lol one time

[eager knoll]

is fun to do that

with tox gas

[quaint lark]

omg yes

[acoustic jacinth]

the whole rep comes from the atrocious baseline of usage most random smite users have tbh, smart players utilizing smite only when there is high value for it is another thing

[quaint lark]

and if your doing the twins, a thammer zealot ooh feels good

[eager knoll]

skill floor skill ceiling moment

[acoustic jacinth]

literally

[eager knoll]

alwys something like that somewher

[acoustic jacinth]

smite is like

such a trap and it's stupidly obvious

in any pugs match

[quaint lark]

Smite is good if its used right

[dusk timber]

pugs

[eager knoll]

i won't say it sucks

i've had teammates that i couldn't complain about that used mostly smite

[marble crater]

@zealous wingdid you solve the anime mystery?

[eager knoll]

they don't steal kills or anything

"steal"

no such thing imo

[zealous wing]

think so, magi adventure of sinbad

still not 100% sure but

[marble crater]

good

[zealous wing]

definitely was a couple songs in there i wanted regardless

id have to watch it to be sure

[eager knoll]

electrokinetic staff is my least favorite teammate to have

[floral wedge]

TRUTH NUKE

[acoustic jacinth]

it's a situation of, if the others can provide the dps that is lacking from the psyker, all's well. but then again, if you really think about it someone with a solid build and good dps (not hard to achieve with current psyker) who uses smite periodically when needed would've made the match go much quicker

[zealous wing]

no surge surge? :(

[marble crater]

You still have time until the DLC, so go go go

[eager knoll]

when they suck they SUCK

[acoustic jacinth]

m1 EK or m2 shriek?

oh that kind of player lol

i personally love ek

[zealous wing]

tbh that can apply to every weapon and class

[acoustic jacinth]

yea

[eager knoll]

i always play armor-hunting melee so i don't mind taser spam as long as they remember to move

that's literally it

[zealous wing]

if a zealot sucks with knife tho its less noticable than if a psyker sucks with purg

[acoustic jacinth]

some are more atrocious than others though, i still feel kinda better seeing a bad vet with a power sword

[eager knoll]

i play with only randoms so it happens a lot, any big circle you can place on the ground is a good way to keep them moving

[eager knoll]

the best purg players disable their secondary attacks

[royal totem]

What if a zealot sucks with every wep

[jovial juniper]

You crit and you kill
And if that doesn't work, you just kill yourself

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-it-ratatouille-gif-4372212

[royal totem]

Spam lights over and over

Got it

[jovial juniper]

Unless you're using mk4

Then it's heavy

[royal totem]

Wait you seriously just spam light against even carapace?

[brazen warren]

its dps out weighs the burst gained from power attacking, and keeps you mobile

heavies on tac axe are mostly for hitting 1 shot break points on lighter targets

[quick tulip]

I like the one FGS that puts the stab behind a combo and not the push, which one was that again?

[brazen warren]

also leaves your brain free for more processing power on other things, like movement, horde composition, special tracking

thats the more finiky fgs iirc

[marble crater]

Mk6 has the stab as a normal heavy attack
Mk8 has the stab after the push attack

[brazen warren]

its lights are diagonals, so a bit harder to horde clear

[jovial juniper]

On the Mk2 a light critical weakspot against carapace is like 330 base damage
And a heavy critical weakspot is about 404 base damage
The lights are just incredibly fast compared to the heavies

[quick tulip]

Yeah MkVI
Thank

[royal totem]

._.

[brazen warren]

https://tenor.com/view/caffeine-ren-me-when-the-zoomies-bunny-gif-22991327

tac axe be like this

[stable ether]

Well, I didn't expect to complete the Pick and Mix penance in a lights out mission, but here we are

[zealous wing]

noice

[stable ether]

Now I just need to get Malleus Monstronum done at some point

[royal totem]

perks/blessings plzzz

[jovial juniper]

The blessings usually are

Brutal Momentum + Shred/Headtaker

The perks I don't fully remember

Was it flak Unarmored

Or flak Maniacs

Or flak carapace

[royal totem]

huh i see

well, time to try this out

[jovial juniper]

Your main attacks are going to be heavy push attack loop spam

Unless you need to up your single target damage, then you just light spam

[stable ether]

Don't suppose anyone would be willing to help me with the Malleus Monstoronum penance?

[royal totem]

i'm willing to

[stable ether]

coolio, I do not know how prebuilt party things work in this

[wraith sphinx]

✨

[royal totem]

you inv me and then we go

[late yew]

fake

ai slop

[wraith sphinx]

says you

SLOPDWARF

[late yew]

i am AI gruel

[brazen warren]

qp is either I can see them making it to my recovery point or "that is 15 crushers, they are cooked" with no inbetween

[royal totem]

another MM done :3

[stable ether]

Thanks for that

[quaint lark]

hey guys, what the number one thing a psyker can do to get themselves killed?

[celest valve]

have health reach 0

[quaint lark]

close

think worse

[stable ether]

Give a beast of nurgle a bit too much tongue?

[quaint lark]

there were these 2 new psykers talking big game in a malice mission and said their good going alone...said they could kill a deamonhost...

i was doin the thammer zealot and said ok ill go afk if yall are soooo good

[polar flower]

Romance

[quaint lark]

not even a moment later i come back, my afk ass still alive and in the distance i see them dying

[royal totem]

LOL

[quaint lark]

i said oh, are yall dying, and they replied says the afk person

[royal totem]

i leave demonhosts alone even as a thammer zealot

[quaint lark]

i can one shot a deamonhost

ease

and i said to them, sorry i went afk i have a life so i had to go do something

while yalls asses got handed to yall

[royal totem]

i'm bad at getting the right angle on DH especially once they're attacking people. the weird green staticy effect throws me off

[quaint lark]

i then proceded to clear the horde kill a deamonhost with ease

do it when their on the ground

you see one, thats where you need to be

go stealth right away and find its back, bam oneshot

i call it the Backshot build

[royal totem]

doesn't work so well for heinous ritual demohosts

which is my actual problem

[quaint lark]

oh those are a lil hard but just kill the summoners

unless you dont get to them?

[royal totem]

yeah a few spots are glitched though which makes reaching summoners unlikely

[quaint lark]

not that ive seen

[royal totem]

power matrix has 1 comsplex has 1 there's at least 1 in hourglass

[ripe obsidian]

The issue with ritual Daemonhosts is mostly that people panic when one spawns

Then it picks people off one by one

Heinous Rituals is the only time I miss Kinetic Deflection

[royal totem]

people run around like headless chickens when the DH is on them

and then i can't hit it

[strong gulch]

I guess it's ok for you to take Clad's throne as MM helper. His body is cold now.

[royal totem]

no. the throne must remain vacant 🙁

[strong gulch]

[royal totem]

i need some potato inspiration

if i'm running taxe vet

should i take kraks

[celest valve]

sure kraks are fun

[strong gulch]

kraks funny

smoke tho?

[celest valve]

they nuke annoying elites

[mighty cipher]

Use the Kraks on exclusives scab shooters

Attach them to their helmets and laugh

[strong gulch]

Make you and you team not be able to see. Just fart all over.

[thorn cedar]

Still can't believe he went out like that, stuck in a regular ol' freezer, crushed by a bag of oriental vegetable mix.

[celest valve]

Ten crushers? Throw not a problem over there and it becomes not a problem.

[strong gulch]

Me neither. Very Clad way to go out tho.

[thorn cedar]

Always shit talking broccoli. Very poetic.

[strong gulch]

On the one hand. WTF

ON the other. Of course.

[quaint lark]

as soon as i see one, i drop everything else and gun right for it, always living

[ripe obsidian]

As a Psyker without KD, I don't run around like a headless chicken. I just die.

[marble crater]

Hi

[strong gulch]

Hi

[marble crater]

Karien was the MM apprentice already, she should do it

[ripe obsidian]

Some do. But it's not the usual situation. H40 with randoms tends to be... four people playing solo.

[celest valve]

I just try to parry or dodge every single hit and pray a teammate can obliterate it.

[quaint lark]

omg the dumbasses, its a team game not fucking darksouls

[floral wedge]

The Ashen One joins the fight now...

[celest valve]

truly quick play is the dark souls of darktide.

[eager knoll]

you don't understand i need to construct my whole sense of self worth around my ability to play difficult video games that were intentionally designed to be beaten!!!!!!!!!

[quaint lark]

lol yea

[eager knoll]

[eager knoll]

quick souls is the tide dark of souls play.

i love quickplay because that's where the game sends you on insane rescue missions

[ripe obsidian]

It feels like Dark Souls sometimes. I had a game last night where I was kiting a burgle and the melee twin around a pretty small room while my two living allies killed the ranged twin. Also trying to avoid stimmed maulers

[eager knoll]

"welcome to your match, billybob wanderoff is 100 meters away in a net, the clutch master pro zealot is inside the beast of nurgle, and you have one teammate lost in the corner fighting poxwalkers"

OK

[quaint lark]

i had one game recently i did, a aruic maelstorm where we were all in sync and tore through it

[eager knoll]

once you hit your stride in quickplay u often end up with back to back servers like that

100% solid meatballing the whole way

[quaint lark]

oh yea, we had one down but we recovered from it fast

[eager knoll]

had a really really smooth auric shock troop gauntlet match last night on the specialty ammo mission

every bit of cargo made it without being dropped

[quaint lark]

nice

[eager knoll]

3 p s y k e r s and me on the scuffed arb build i posted above

but i had the wider spread arbiter shotgun

sniper psyker

ugghgghas;g

[quaint lark]

eww

[eager knoll]

no i mean they rhyme in my heade

so i typed sniper instead of psyker

[eager knoll]

to the shotty yes it is terrible

[quaint lark]

there was one day it was 2 bubble psykers, a brain burst, and me a smyker and we tore through a maelstorm oooooh that was a good day

[ripe obsidian]

Every so often I have a team that's super in sync and we bang through H40s first try on each map

[eager knoll]

my favorite games are the ones where you have like 3 people all playing frontline melee and each of you watch each others' melee weapons so you have perfectly coordinated melee target priority

[ripe obsidian]

But that's always at least one premade person

So only 2 randoms

[eager knoll]

and you just sprint through crusher waves

[celest valve]

it's amusing when there's triple psykers and the last person is on watch the show duty

[late yew]

coward

[quaint lark]

i need a team who can go to a rotton armor healing pulse havoc 40, cause i can actally kill them, i would like one thammer zealot for bosses

[ripe obsidian]

On the other hand, if people aren't coordinated in purple + rot, I can damage farm

[eager knoll]

i assault daemonhosts head on with my build that doesn't run KD

i killed one once without my team and didn't even lose half hp

[plucky flax]

JudeLaw got trapped because he's by himself 100 metres away whilst us 3 were stuck with horde + specials + boss and couldn't free him. He couldn't handle the >yes then said fu and ragequitted. Extremely based h40 ready player.

[wraith sphinx]

LOL

[eager knoll]

yes

[quaint lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1083402565590458368/Bonk.gif

[celest valve]

yes

[plucky flax]

His thanks was a sarcasm thank after being trapped and slowly corrupted to death. Xd

Was so funny.

[wraith sphinx]

That's the exact typa shit I expect from maelstrom qpers bruh this is sad

[quaint lark]

so sad T~T

[plucky flax]

It's funny because >yes and >no somehow tilt people so much.

[quaint lark]

ok guys hear me out, i think all the good players are the people that dont like each others builds, but if we teamed up we would be overpowered amr?

[wraith sphinx]

tru

(no)

[quaint lark]

we hate each other, but i think it would work tbh lol

we just dont wanna

[eager knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-frone-explode-dies-gif-14493096138927684504

[celest valve]

i do not make builds to be good I make builds to be fun

surviving just happens to be fun

[eager knoll]

how do you >yes

how do you >no

[plucky flax]

With mod.

The character also says the voice line too.

That makes it even more tilting.

[eager knoll]

i'm too lazy

[wraith sphinx]

I temporarly disabled for the emperor mod because it seemed like the mod completely broke tagging for me at random

[quaint lark]

omg yes, i wanna have fun

[plucky flax]

Is it because of that mod?

But >yes >no spam is too powerful.

[summer prairie]

Tagging breaking is a base game issue

[eager knoll]

i have no mods, tragging broken always

[wraith sphinx]

I don't know, but currently disabling the mod has not caused the issue to happen again for me so far

oh ok then

[summer prairie]

But opening a box or a door fixes it

[eager knoll]

it fixes itself mid-match

[summer prairie]

And other similar actions

[eager knoll]

👀👀

ooo

[wraith sphinx]

ah good to know

[cosmic sigil]

So just interacting

[wraith sphinx]

when it happened to me I got so mad I just quit on the spot 🙈 it was right at the start of the obscura den holdout so I was tilted

[summer prairie]

Probably

[plucky flax]

Hmm pretty saw I played with this JudeLaw guy before. Regardless he's in the blocklist now for ragequitting. We 3 man for a long ass time too so could had won if he stayed.

[wraith sphinx]

very sad behavior for the supposed cream of the crop

I don't think I'll ever bother with climbing to h40 at this point

only 11k kills left to poxbreaker

I like that title more

[plucky flax]

A lot of people still struggle to get to 40 this season.

It's a lot harder than previous.

Rot stim combo too powerful.

[weary idol]

I don't particularly care about being at 40 I just like having the funny number

[summer prairie]

I think they'll nerf it next season

[wraith sphinx]

feels like havoc just gets harder with each passing season

[weary idol]

yeah god fucking stimms is ass

[plucky flax]

I don't think rot need a nerf. But rot + stim can be bs sometimes.

Nerf stim and leave rot alone I wouldn't mind.

[weary idol]

rot armor is fine

Stimms

are complete bullshit

[plucky flax]

Blue stimmed bulwark and dreg rager.

[strong gulch]

Had an oggy AKF to "teach us a pointful lesson" because one of the purg or VB psykers hit a barrel that was in a narrow walkway obscured by gas in H40.

People are something.

[summer prairie]

Rot+V2 tzeentch twins next season

[weary idol]

blue stimm melee elites gives me big "what the fuck am I supposed to do" vibes

[celest valve]

https://www.youtube.com/@BishopJudeLaw

[plucky flax]

Based

[weary idol]

and which stimm was it that makes the enemies do more damage?

yellow?

[celest valve]

that is what I found on a search iunno

[weary idol]

basically a return to old havoc if shooters/gunners pop those

you get melted so fast

[summer prairie]

Just shoot all barrels, it's so annoying when people fight next to them

[plucky flax]

Blue stim make shooters shoot fast.

Blue stim is the most op one.

[summer prairie]

When you know there's trauma or purg especially

[celest valve]

idiots it's supposed to be red that makes you faster

[plucky flax]

[celest valve]

cause red ones go faster

[wraith sphinx]

Thank emperor there are no pink stims

[graceful slate]

Am I just discovering in Brunt's Armoury a thing such as "Blaze Force Greatsword" ?

[weary idol]

yeah been a thing for some time now

[graceful slate]

After all those years

[weary idol]

fgs ain't new

[plucky flax]

It's a big sword.

[graceful slate]

Oh its recent

[weary idol]

I think it was 2 updates ago?

[graceful slate]

Makes sense

I came back 3 weeks ago

(discovering all my skill trees dead because reworked apparently)

(Let's say I was, let down)

But anyway, what's the real difference in gameplay between BF Sword and Greatsword ?

[celest valve]

reworked several times yes

[graceful slate]

One has more range and heavier in swish swoosh ?

[weary idol]

different moveset same as every other melee weapon

force greatsword special is the moonlight greatsword from dark souls

[graceful slate]

M'yeah. I'm a sucker for knightly things, so seeing a greatsword had me "wow"

Like Bruce Wayne in lego batman movie

wtv

[graceful slate]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[eager knoll]

not to be a hater but i feel like most consistent havoc players always have a group to queue with

[celest valve]

also a very varied moveset compared to other melees

[eager knoll]

and playing with a team is like

sleeping

[graceful slate]

Interesting.

[summer prairie]

The ranged damage penalty from rotten needs to go though, makes no sense

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah I know

[weary idol]

yeah both FGS have probably the most complex movesets of any melee weapons

[wraith sphinx]

I have no friends willing to play havoc

[graceful slate]

Now I'm going to spend 500 000 until I find the right one with the correct %

[celest valve]

wield attack, slide/sprint attack, lights and heavies, unique push attack

[eager knoll]

i have some old friends that just started playing fairly recently

one can do damnation

the ohter llike

heresy maybe

[wraith sphinx]

Highest havoc rank I reached was 27 and that was solo joining random parties during 1.0

[strong gulch]

10 BBs to not kill a crusher feels good

(IDK if that's true )

[eager knoll]

game is just fun to play

[wraith sphinx]

That's impossible now

[eager knoll]

i got to rank 9 after playing 4 matches

that's all i ever got into

[graceful slate]

Dumb me : I wasn't aware I already had a Greatsword. I just did not played my psyker first to realise..

[celest valve]

oh yeah isn't there a slide light and slide heavy

[graceful slate]

My beloved cheated on my mind.

[eager knoll]

i wish i could queue for quickplay and havoc at the same time

[wraith sphinx]

I enjoy havoc's challenge but playing with randoms that are objectively worse than qpers is unfun

[eager knoll]

would help a lot

[celest valve]

i love the uppercut slide, just sliding next to a scab and uppercut their head off

[strong gulch]

I remember non-havoc pre health boost rot crushers needed like 6 or 7 non EP BBs, so H40 rot might be more. lmao

[eager knoll]

early havoc missions feel easier than auric missions

can't even find groups for that

[wraith sphinx]

Havoc is a breeze until 21

[graceful slate]

Peak design

[wraith sphinx]

21 just breaks 90% of randoms

[eager knoll]

yeah and it sucks cause it's like

[graceful slate]

I love that 80's aesthetic

[eager knoll]

million times longer queue time

[wraith sphinx]

Yeeeap

[eager knoll]

for a game that's way more boring until waaayyy later

meanwhile everyone measuring "good" and "bad" is measuring against havoc enemy behavior

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah

[weary idol]

fuck knows why

[eager knoll]

because if your numbers can stand up against the most nasty numbers the game can bring against you, they work anywhere else

[wraith sphinx]

I'm not too wound up about it because if you're good at the game your loadout for non havoc does not matter

[eager knoll]

i don't mind

it be like that

find your own pockets of relevant measurement

[wraith sphinx]

But it does needlessly kill some discussions here tho

[graceful slate]

The urge to spend money on cosmetics

[eager knoll]

the way that people can or can't widen their perspectives is what really needlessly kills discussions (or allows them to grow)

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah its fucked

[celest valve]

oh also the great sword has the most satisfying animations

and the move curves are so good

[eager knoll]

if i spend 40 hours "mastering" an auric build and someone asks for advice on a heresy build i won't press my stat-expectations and experience onto them and theirs

[royal totem]

i just accidentally threw a game 🙁

[eager knoll]

but i will refer to my experience

[eager knoll]

ban this guy

[royal totem]

after i had done such a good job of not downing as vet for the whole thing till the very last second T__T

[wraith sphinx]

Knowing how to dodge and block is more important anyway

[weary idol]

I just assume auric as standard

[eager knoll]

BAN this guy

[weary idol]

If we start balancing around havoc all the other difficulties are going to be painfully boring

[eager knoll]

i tried relic blade after fgs cause i thought "hmm same family sorta"

never

[weary idol]

and god I have had enough of pve games not being willing to have a hard difficulty

[eager knoll]

again

[wraith sphinx]

Best way to kill any game is to balance it around a handful of minmaxers

[eager knoll]

relic blade is cool but does not scratch any of the itches that the fgs does

super clutch: fgs special attack penetrates any wall thickness

[weary idol]

not correct

[eager knoll]

saved so many out of position teammates under dogs/mutants with my KF+wallhacks

[wraith sphinx]

Yes correct

[weary idol]

the exact opposite is the best way to kill a game

average players do not know enough about the game to know what they are talking about

[eager knoll]

this is very true if you've played any game and witnessed its death

[weary idol]

especially in a game like Darktide that hides a lot of information

[eager knoll]

^^^

[eager knoll]

the best way to keep a game alive is by balancing around every portion of the playerbase

[weary idol]

or balance around the people who actually know what they're talking about when they give feedback

[eager knoll]

measurement is deeply ingrained into the decisionmaking process from these developers and they've made it clear in writing that they don't look only at H40 performance

[weary idol]

the best thing an average player can do is tell when something feels bad or unfair

those minmaxers will know the exact reason why it feels bad or unfair

and will of course offer a shitty solution for it that you should probably ignore

[eager knoll]

games that balance around the most high-performing items and individual players are indeed tapping into the right bit of data

as long as they include the rest of the player performance

and contextualize it

[royal totem]

i'm of the opinion you shouldn't balance a game around the most difficult mode but at the same time if you're going to have a "hardest" difficulty you do need to make sure it's not just complete bullshit clownfest.

[eager knoll]

magic the gathering standard format is a great place to see the wrong priority being placed on minmaxxed gameplay (for entirely different reasons to the ones fatshark might have)

but similar mechanically

[wraith sphinx]

This is something that ought to be the crux of good feedback from players of all skill levels. Minmaxers are inclined to datamine the game and offer insight based on that which is generally harmful because datamined valued are stripped of context

[eager knoll]

take marvel rivals

imagine if classes were balanced only for ranked play

hell

imagine if classes were balanced only for quickplay

hell

[weary idol]

Thor probably wouldn't have been left in the dust

[dull scroll]

they have player stats and are balancing around the bell curve, which is the right move
if they balance around the non-stop yapping 1% elites around here this game will actually go down the shitter real fast

[weary idol]

Loki and Ultron probably wouldn't have catched stray nerfs for no reason

[wraith sphinx]

This is something that is especially egregious with open source games because that kind of feedback has a bigger impact when lower skilled players do it

[weary idol]

Hela and Bucky would probably see actual nerfs to their performance after being meta picks since release

[eager knoll]

and thus you ignore the experience of the vast majority of players who are, unfortunately, a greater driver for income

[wraith sphinx]

So in that specific respect you are correct

[eager knoll]

if the slopgloppers are given a worse experience, you lose your game's true base

[weary idol]

Luna Snow's ult might finally be nerfed so that it doesn't turn the game off for 12 fucking seconds

[eager knoll]

competitive gamers like to tell themselves that they are the most important users of the games they play but they are very wrong

just speaking practically

[weary idol]

I dunno man I've seen them proven correct a lot of times before

[fierce crest]

also if the game is only fun at the highest level then no one will start playing the game in the first place

[eager knoll]

that's what happens when you pay attention to a game's mechanics

my only argument here is that focusing too much on any one thing is what sends a game to its demise

[weary idol]

hang on lemme just go through my library of games that are dead/infamously shittily balanced/dying

so I can make a full list of games that I know full well were killed by ignoring comp/"good" players

[wraith sphinx]

Rainbow six siege

[eager knoll]

there's a game called crossout that got killed because of their obsession wiht making it an esports sensation

[fierce crest]

library
sort by most played
get sad

all 3 pvp games here are dead

[weary crane]

WINDOWS IS SO FUCKING SHIT, WHY CANT I REMAP MY WINDOWS KEY IS MY FUCKING COMPUTER

[eager knoll]

it's a madmax game that got rebalanced into a pseudo-quake sniper game in max level play, where content is only added to appease the whales that still play because they have spend literally tens of thousands of dollars on items

[wraith sphinx]

yoo new vegas

[eager knoll]

so low level (new player) gameplay is pervaded with sealclubbers using dirt-cars with max-level oneshot weapons on top

[fierce crest]

i have game pass darktide so its not on there

[wraith sphinx]

ah

[eager knoll]

perfect example of competitive players being given so much priority that regular players have NOTHING TO PLAY FOR

russian monetization model accelerated this

[weary idol]

I have literally only ever played the PvE in that game

[eager knoll]

"let me bring 300 dollars worth of euqipment to your second day of playing this game. i will kill you the same way until you quit"

[eager knoll]

i was in an NA clan

we formed out of a bunch of different clans that played together outside of ranked

[weary idol]

dog you aren't describing a game being balance around comp players you're describing a game being pay to win because the devs are greedy

[eager knoll]

we vibed so we made a new group with just us 7 people

[weary idol]

this is a false equivalence

[eager knoll]

"devs are greedy" the competitive players are the ones pouring money into it

[wraith sphinx]

This game was a tragic case of balancing

[eager knoll]

enough money associated with a player population means that population gets disproportionate service

meaning

more eyes are put on the wrong stat blocks

[wraith sphinx]

devs abandon it
devs then allow it to get community updates after a longer while
it ends up axis biased
dies anyways because of rampant hacking

[eager knoll]

i ju7st had to explain it fully

[eager knoll]

axis biased

lotta hard drives need to be checkd for many more reasons than are currently accepted

[weary idol]

wasn't it axis biased because the axis were fucking garbage before the community update

I played CoH2 a bit and I remember OKW and Ostheer being kind of shit

[wraith sphinx]

yeah and the community overadjusted and now allies are garbage 🙃

[eager knoll]

solvem prolved

[weary idol]

seems about right

[fierce crest]

sloblom probed

[weary idol]

on the flipside a game that I did actually see community balance make a good change was Mechwarrior Online

[eager knoll]

don't probe my sloblom

good balance changes are the ones that make competitive and casual players equally happy

easy to say

[dull scroll]

why, is the game not a big nascar anymore 😏

[weary idol]

people do that because they're stupid not because of any actual gameplay design

[eager knoll]

i know that competitive games need to have a welcoming new player experience to keep the competitive community alive

inbreeding just means there aren't mechanics worthy of thought

or comparison

[weary idol]

good tutorials are important but those tutorials kind of have to be relevant to how the game is played

[wraith sphinx]

fucking Due Process 💀

[eager knoll]

people being nice is important

[weary idol]

if those tutorials just cover shit that the average player needs it's going to be a rough wake up call if they aren't exclusively slumming it in low MMR

[eager knoll]

people being welcoming is important

[weary idol]

that too

[eager knoll]

people having sticks up their asses just cause someone shoved one up there ruins first impressions

[wraith sphinx]

I was actually kinda hopeful for the game when it had that massive revival sale then I get dropped into a match with literal vermin telling me they'll teamkill me if I don't obey them

[eager knoll]

if there's a stick in your ass, you ought to know

[wraith sphinx]

I fucking hate pvp games dawg

[eager knoll]

it's uncomfortable for everyone

if you're playing a hard game don't you want more people to play with you?

to make it

easier???

games where you need to figure things out are full of people who can't admit when their testing/reasoning led them to the wrong conclusion, and it creates an antisocial "wall" that most people aren't going to bother navigating

people with lives don't want to go through some weird basement-dweller's chatroom hazing ritual

[weary idol]

p much yeah

[fierce crest]

i like hunt showdown

[weary idol]

it's especially prevalent in games that are casual for some reason

Helldivers 2 would be the most obvious example I can point to

[eager knoll]

makes zero sense lol

[fierce crest]

i can play solo and sneaky and be fine with not fighting much

[eager knoll]

it's like the word "casual" has a very very strong tilt to it

[fierce crest]

and also be fine with not getting bounties too often

[eager knoll]

like certain sorts of people get very defensive over anything that exists under the "casual" umbrella

[fierce crest]

still fun and atmospheric

[eager knoll]

in so doing they are not being very casual about anything

[weary idol]

the more hardcore/niche a game is the more welcoming the community in my experience

Like uuuuh

Mechwarrior Living Legends

[eager knoll]

those arma players always seem to be chlling

[weary idol]

yeah Arma players too

[eager knoll]

but i only see the videos

[wraith sphinx]

fuck that game is a mess and a half

[eager knoll]

when it came out i heard descriptions of the gameplay and thought it was awesome

[fierce crest]

deep rock community

[eager knoll]

asked friends that played and the things they said ( i don't remember anymore) convinced me not to touch it

[wraith sphinx]

don't know which is worse, the sweaty balancing decisions or the playerbase so casual they don't know they're supposed to pull the mouse down when firing a gun in full auto

[weary idol]

I think arma's gameplay is pretty neat

[eager knoll]

now talking about helldivers

[weary idol]

if the balancing decisions were done for the sweaty people the game would not be in its current state

[eager knoll]

idk what's wrong with helldivers now

i just see super cool gameplay

[wraith sphinx]

unstable as fuck game

tech debt caught up

[eager knoll]

and trust that what people say is bad is bad

[weary idol]

The worst balancing decisions that were made to the game, and stuck to it are decisions made because of tourists deciding they deserve to win on difficulty 10

[late yew]

What is bad currently in helldivers

[eager knoll]

were they not optimizing things ?

[weary idol]

Just because they unlocked it

[wraith sphinx]

on this we agree

[eager knoll]

what's the scale

[weary idol]

And Arrowhead balancing for them

[late yew]

oh ye,s i hate how easy diff 10 is

[weary idol]

1-10

[fierce crest]

every game needs a mode thats too hard for you to beat

[eager knoll]

😐

[fierce crest]

the royal you

[eager knoll]

me thinking it went to 50

[wraith sphinx]

diff 10 went from chill to frustrating so fast when all the paint eaters started queueing up for 10s

[eager knoll]

this would only be possible if the devs were as good at balancing at the fat sharks are

[fierce crest]

devil may cry has one

helldivers 1 had one

[weary idol]

dclaw sword bottom 3 melees since release

[eager knoll]

not a crazy bar to hit

[weary idol]

chainsword flip flopping between broken top tier and useless trash every 2 major updates

Power Sword top 1 since release

[wraith sphinx]

used to be I could fuck around with a 4 orbitals loadout and still be a credit to the team now I need to take the same boring tank loadout every time just to complete the main objectives

[weary idol]

Psyker

[fierce crest]

risk of rain but that needs mods

[eager knoll]

i associate items in this game with pieces of plastic irl

i get stoked for something based on how cool the plastic version is

and whether or not i have it somewhere

[fierce crest]

every monster hunter ive played got to a point where i would win like 1/10 of fights

[eager knoll]

other people see weapons for their potential use in combat

and that's their biggest excitement driver

[wraith sphinx]

also arrowhead having a hardon for making bugs as unfun to fight as possible is ??????

[weary idol]

I kinda like this about the series

[eager knoll]

for me it's all about connecting it with the hobby

[wraith sphinx]

yes lets take the worst enemy faction to fight and make them even worse

[weary idol]

Even with all the push to make hard games easy the G ranks of Monster Hunter games still are willing to kill you for being bad

[fierce crest]

finally beating an AT monster solo felt so good

(not kirin)

[weary idol]

Even World's Master Rank which imo is the easiest MH game so far still has some fucking ROUGH fights

[fierce crest]

(that was hilariously easy)

but every other one i could not beat consistently

and were more fun for it

[weary idol]

I would say that Rise is easier but I've never been able to tolerate playing that game all the way to G rank because I hate wirebugs

[fierce crest]

oh yeah

i dont think i did much endgame in rise

well skip that one

4, xx, world, wilds

wirebugs are weird

[weary idol]

wirefall is so fucking awful and lame

[wraith sphinx]

this game is broadly inapplicable to the discussion we're having but man was this a rancid fucking experience

[weary idol]

at best it's a resource tax to not be instant killed

at worst it just makes monsters completely incapable of death comboing you

because it's a free "no thanks I don't want to be in a bad situation for getting hit"

you don't have to make the difficult decisions that can result in a cart that you do in literally every other MH game

Including Frontier

Which has a similar mechanic

[dull scroll]

I logi'd the shit out of that game

also the fastest way to get promoted like no tomorrow

but every reset everything you built just gone, gets too tiredsome

[late yew]

logi player?

[wraith sphinx]

My clan was full of logi hating leeches and solo logi is unplayable

so rip to that one

[weary idol]

Logistics

Foxhole is a warfront simulator

[late yew]

bruh

[wraith sphinx]

Unsuccesful yeah

[late yew]

the fuck you responding to

i am sking if he was logi player

[weary idol]

Logi players are the actual real people making all the guns, tanks, ammo, equipment etc.

oh

I mean he said that up earlier

[dull scroll]

solo logi is very playable lol, just need to use personal reserves smartly

[late yew]

Why would anyone willingly to be one was always beynod me

[weary idol]

I thought you didn't know what logi was short for :(

[late yew]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-look-at-gif-13614061

[wraith sphinx]

doesn't matter when I lose my entire haul to partisans

[late yew]

I wanted to be partisan

but never got to

I think most fun i had was vehicle fighting with a clan

[wraith sphinx]

I asked my initial clanmates if they wanted to logi with me, they said logi is for subhumans

I joined a logi clan, none of them were ever fucking online despite actively advertising

[dull scroll]

lol what

[weary idol]

bitch the literal only reason you can play the game is because of those "subhumans"

change their fucking tune real fast if logi players do another strike

[wraith sphinx]

Well you know exactly their type

[weary idol]

and suddenly the entire game falls apart

[wraith sphinx]

They hop on, leech until there is nothing at bases to leech, then quit the game for 4 months

[weary idol]

awful annoying players

[wraith sphinx]

they treat the game like it's Battlefield which is just ???

go play battlefield you dink

[dull scroll]

that entire game is fundamentally a logi game, lines are literally only pushed by clans over the weekend because of their logi stockpiles

[wraith sphinx]

h'yup

and since the entirety of my 40+ discord circle stopped playing and I didn't want to shop for clans any further I just completely lost interest

I don't even enjoy the combat

it's just children arguing and tking one another over who gets to shoot the shitty 12.7 MG on a wheeled mount

[dull scroll]

but, that been said, I have seen in a few wars where over-logi shit the bed. People just afk farming in the backline and not spawning onto the front to defend vs pushes

[wraith sphinx]

yep am aware of that too

look foxhole is a fantastic game in theory but the average gamer is just too moronic for it

when that same discord circle asked me to hop on the anvil empires playtest with them I just immediately declined

[dull scroll]

that game has a ridiculous learning curve

the clan I was in builders were literal irl engineers

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

seems about right

[late yew]

why you even wanted to be logi

[weary idol]

all the IT people I know play shit like Factorio, Space Engineers, Satisfactory etc.

So makes sense foxhole logi would attract the same person

[late yew]

While it is literally most, and arguibly ONLY important job, it is absolutely boringest one

[dull scroll]

like I have the logi down in that game and that's already ridiculous, but building infrastructure is a complete different monster

[wraith sphinx]

Because I enjoyed doing it

[weary idol]

That's something that's cool to me. When I tried it that's what I wanted to do

Was to learn the actual like "meta" blueprints and get to building them

[wraith sphinx]

back when it wasn't as horrifically clan gated and manufacturing and transporting stuff felt like it had a distinct purpose

hanging out with other logiers was also good fun

[weary idol]

It's why I like when games put actual effort into their builder subclasses and give them cool things

Like the uh engineering playstyle in Mordhau

funny spikes and walls

[late yew]

found euro track simulator enjoyer

absolute goblin

[dull scroll]

meta builds are just the beginning lol, the basic blocks, there's clan politics and bunch of other shit all thrown into the mix

[wraith sphinx]

Problem?

[weary idol]

Yeah I think it's cool :)

[wraith sphinx]

That being said I never actually played ETS

maybe I should

[weary idol]

Never actually commited to playing the game enough to get to that point though

[wraith sphinx]

would be a nice change of pace from getting mad at qp morons who wouldn't ping a trapper/poxburster if I held a gun to their head

[dull scroll]

there's literal pre-war meetings between all the major clans in some super secret discord to sort shit out over who gets to build where

at least on the Warden side

[wraith sphinx]

likely the same on colonial side then lol

[dull scroll]

and if you disregard the agreements every other clans comes to demo your shit

[late yew]

some cartel level shenanigans

[wraith sphinx]

oh that also reminded me but I fucking hated the ooc faction beef

[dull scroll]

LOL no, colley side have no such thing, they fight civil wars to sort shit out

no joke

at least when I played

[wraith sphinx]

I played exclusively collie and all the obnoxious leechers loved to ping everyone with shit like "hop on!!! lets go kill those warden pedophiles!!!"

like dawg

[wraith sphinx]

idk bout that but I do remember collie civil wars about rare mat salvaging rights

I once saw like 20 or so collies from different clans gun each other down in a big scrapyard

[mighty cipher]

Why does the bolt pistol do such a massive amount of damage more than what’s listed? Does it just… not include the “explosive” component of the damage?

[lone ravine]

The damage is just the projectile iirc

not the explosion

[dull scroll]

collies are literal barbarians, I never played that side but have seen videos and heard stories of clans unleashing entire stockpiles against each other over disputed build rights in the backline

[weary idol]

yes

[late yew]

why it sounds lore accurate

[dull scroll]

true 😏

[plucky flax]

Bistol is just based.

[late yew]

Knife feels a bit ass with shroud field

[mighty cipher]

Clearly. I’ve been using a Las pistol to “close in” with ghost when I coulda just been blowing them away

[zinc phoenix]

Well the game does put a hammer in the hand of the stealth zealot’s picture

And they expect you to do that because of the implication

[late yew]

No, it does not?

what are you smoking

[zinc phoenix]

Do you see?

Do you see?

Do you see?

[weary idol]

I see a guy with TWO swords

doesn't he know that only hive gangers can do that?

[zinc phoenix]

Wow illegal theft of class propertah

[royal totem]

i see lots of thammers

[late yew]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-smolcat-smolcatcoin-smol-cat-coin-roswell-gif-4869195751936463478

[zinc phoenix]

The implication

Why isn’t there a ganger channel?

I intend to play as the “totally not gunker” with “definitely not Scriers gaze”

[royal totem]

i imagine they'll make one when it's actually released

[zinc phoenix]

They made a barbie channel before release

[royal totem]

i intend to play as a drug addict

[zinc phoenix]

If I can’t make my ganger into Dr rockso I will refund all of Fatshark

[late yew]

i don't like thematics of ganger, but i like all the gameplay ticks: mobility, poisons, drugs

[lone ravine]

Have you practiced your fent lean ingame so you can show it off day one

[royal totem]

LMAO

arbites are gonna hate my character so hard

[zinc phoenix]

I think it makes sense tbh. we spend like multiple missions wandering thru water cartel territory. Where did all the ex water cartel gangers go? Clearly we recruited em

[eager knoll]

why are we arguing about art

genuinely asking

[zealous wing]

probably plan to wait a bit until the hatred dies down a little more

[late yew]

Whata re recommended blessings and perks for relic blade?

[late yew]

It does, i just don't care for it

[royal totem]

hexissssssss

[zealous wing]

heya

[royal totem]

you should play with my troll vet sometime

[late yew]

because we can

[royal totem]

😏

[late yew]

Struggle is life

[zealous wing]

psyker 9 is nearing deletion time

so, perhaps

[zinc phoenix]

“Wah wah I don’t get to play as a robosexual”
- Darktide fans, probably

[royal totem]

OH NO 🙁

prepares the funeral pyre

[zealous wing]

if i could have 2 dozen character slots i'd be happy

im more concerned about when they release the NEXT class

[eager knoll]

brooooo these are all tourists

people whose first contact with 40k was some cutesy mechanicus reddit comic

[zealous wing]

i have 1 wiggleroom slot rn, taking scum into consideration, for me to level up and delete a character as i desire

[royal totem]

i have .......2 open slots i think?

namely cuz i have two arbies

[zealous wing]

if theres another class after scum that i want, i either have to delete psykermain2, or not make more psykers to level

[royal totem]

i'll think about the problem in another half a year

[zealous wing]

hopefully they add more character slots

[late yew]

IF

[zealous wing]

they mentioned they were working on classes plural, so

[eager knoll]

mechanicus would actually make sense later on

[zinc phoenix]

I think my favorite depiction of gangers in 40k was that wh40k armgageddon panzer generaloid Slitherine did that got pulled from steam. You make it to the hive city with the ASL and then can recruit endless gangers into the horde

[late yew]

no, it never would make sense

we are REJECTS

[eager knoll]

but anyone trying to force it isn't respecting the worldbuilding that they've done for this planet

[late yew]

Absolute bottom feeders of society

[eager knoll]

arbitrator

says

no

[late yew]

Mechanicus are top

[zealous wing]

except the arbys arent and neither are the gangers

[late yew]

Arbitrators close to that

[zinc phoenix]

Totally useless in every other scenario but in that one having a billion hp and solid cqb stats is gold 😂

[eager knoll]

listen

there are two mystery-ridden hives

and this is 40k

any number of legitimate reasons could be created given enough headway

[zealous wing]

and reported xenos sightings

[eager knoll]

to add admech ground troop playables

fr

the fact that so much is possible means we should let the people who actually know where the story's headed add content accordingly

and we can assume they're making the right long-term story and gameplay choices

[zealous wing]

reported xenos sightings, a very explicitly stated second hive city, a new trenches map, multiple references to Khorne, including by fanatic zealot, morrows honestly intricate backstory for a character we never really talk to, rannick being a very sus bastard, the whole wolfer /zola situation (sibling bond hath power and all that), theres a lot waiting to be executed on

like, where the fuck did rodin go

we didnt kill him, so they were using him for a ritual, and at the end his body turns into a vapour and leaves

[royal totem]

Rodin dead :3

[zinc phoenix]

They smoked him because they ran out of reefer. It’s what gave them the reefer madness

Damn heretics will smoke anything

[royal totem]

i'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark and say we did kill Rodin and Rinda. But admonition used a dark ritual to bring Rinda back. (the nurgle lot don't really stay dead)

my personal theory is in dark communion they were trying to bring Rodin back to life also but we intervened in time

[zealous wing]

at the end of the boss fight his hand moves

[weary idol]

reduced to warp

[floral wedge]

They smoking that Nurgle pack, strong enough to rip you through the cycle of life and death hard enough so many times that you come back a living zombie

Baked out of your mind high

[ripe obsidian]

https://youtube.com/shorts/COsc3n5FbLI?si=WGW-KAAomDmOK6EE

[zinc phoenix]

He’s tryna do one more line before he heads out

Also he’s definitely coming back lol

We absolutely did not stop him

You know how I know?

Those nerds are team rocket to our pokemon gym lords

[zealous wing]

if you dont see a dead body, assume they're not dead

[zinc phoenix]

Grendel isn’t out here fighting heresy she’s collecting more weird ass dudes

Also they literally named her after a monster who got his arm chopped off and kept going……… implying……..

We will fight the twins mom

[zealous wing]

is grendel a she?

the hologram switches around a lot

[eager knoll]

there's dialogue about ogryn stomping rodin's h ead in repeatedly

his teeth still being embedded in the tread

[zealous wing]

his head looked intact in the ritual

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[eager knoll]

i watched a youtube guy's theory video about grendyl that's wild

[zinc phoenix]

The rogue trader and Grendel are the same person

[eager knoll]

it's like every other bit of speculative lore content

you can believe it if you want to

[zinc phoenix]

It’s serious scooby doo stuff going on in this game

[zealous wing]

i should do more mortis to get the memory logs

[eager knoll]

perfect for the setting

[royal totem]

I need more mortis

[eager knoll]

i'm sure you've done all the dialogue in the psykhanium

(the ones you can trigger)

[zinc phoenix]

Snoretis

[eager knoll]

i say "i'm sure" because if you've tried then you've probably heard them all already

[zealous wing]

ive not finished the mortis memory collection, no

[royal totem]

Sadly im entering my 10 hr nap cycle

[eager knoll]

like the in-game ones?

[zealous wing]

in mortis you collect memories, then you can relisten in the psyk

[eager knoll]

aaa

[zinc phoenix]

Mortis is the only mode I’ve played in this game where I have to do 100% of the work any time I play it because only people who have had their brains replaced with cantaloupes still want to play it

[eager knoll]

every time i play mortis i use the med station zero times

[zealous wing]

i find it fun, but its definitely a "do with friends" fun not a "do with randoms" fun

[eager knoll]

for some mysterious reason

and it isn't because i take no damage

don't worry, the superhero master gamer giga-carry autogun vet will use all 4 charges before the sliver-hp ogryn thinks to move in that direction

thought we all learned to share when we were 4 💔

[zealous wing]

i usually dont have to use it because the medipacks are usually plenty

just gotta make sure im with people who know not to use the medipack immediately after getting it and wait until someone actually needs it so the timer doesnt get wasted

[eager knoll]

i die inside when i see someone actively taking health damage while standing on a medpack

[zealous wing]

reminds me

fuckin grimoires and medkits, when you have the beacon of purity or field improvisation talents on a teammate

too many people stand on the medkits when those are active

[eager knoll]

💔

[royal totem]

Medkits are my safety field in case i get shot

I stand in them 24/7

[eager knoll]

[candid temple]

[late yew]

why shotgun?

[eager knoll]

😭

[quaint lark]

I CAST BELLY FULL OF LEAD!

And you cant tell me thats not funny

And I will keep using it

I dont care if someone payed me to get it off im keeping it

[late yew]

get double barrel then you coward

[quaint lark]

Ehh its didnt feel right to me

Just off somehow

[floral wedge]

Somehow I keep returning to the laspistol on all of my psyker builds
Except for the soulblaze build
But I barely touch that thing anyways

[late yew]

also using any gun on psyker but las pistol feels wrong

[quaint lark]

I hate the laspistol for some reason idky just bleh to me

Not changing my mind

Kick me, punch me i dont care lol

[floral wedge]

I love running around with my laspistol and chainsword

[zealous wing]

reconlas is in my brain, my "im playing psyker" gun. cant use it on any other class or i forget i dont have EE

[floral wedge]

Lmao

[late yew]

EE?

[quaint lark]

I read EE as EA for a moment lol

[zealous wing]

empathic evasion

aka, immune to bullets

[late yew]

i will cast TESTICULAR TORSION

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbinhotel-angeldust-charlie-alastor-sirpentious-gif-20503833

[eager knoll]

someone said that EE is bad on a build where i'm in melee combat 90% of the time

[zealous wing]

immune to gunners, snipers, plasma gunners, and captain guns

[quaint lark]

Ee fucking based

[eager knoll]

reality: you can walk at shooters as long as you're swinging your sword and hitting anything

[austere warren]

:^)

[eager knoll]

and they won't hit you at all

[zealous wing]

im running EE on a knife build, am usually fine

[floral wedge]

Someone was watching me play and asked why my toughness wasn't going down in the middle of a horde
I literally could not explain to them while fighting how many perks were refilling my toughness lmao

[austere warren]

Remember, EE does nothing for right tree psyker builds. Nothing at all.

^_^

[eager knoll]

when your team has no way to close distance with shooters and no way to exchange fire with them, you'll be glad you can run at them

[zealous wing]

its not a fast enough crit sometimes, so taxe might be a little more effective

[eager knoll]

me when i play auric missions with randoms only and there is a tangible difference

[quaint lark]

Taxe felt nice

[zealous wing]

i hope the shivs feel as fun as knife does

if their damage is shit tho idk how i'll cope

[austere warren]

Remember, the talent that triggers off of crits, something the class can steer itself towards to benefit from, are not real.

[quaint lark]

I think only reason I didnt go ee was bc I dont melee too often

[eager knoll]

true

so true

[zealous wing]

if you run EK, ee is fuckin gold

EK is THE crit stave

[austere warren]

Fwiw if it's anything like dual daggers then it'll have that similar sauce that combat blade does. Maybe like a little more horde clear improvements with greater oomph on the heavies since that screenshot they gave is tje 2nd heavy combo from dual daggers.

[zealous wing]

surge surge build plus knife is so fun

honestly tho i do wonder

[austere warren]

It's just like how zealot gains no real benefits from tdr on dodge effects. My brain is so wrinkled.

[zealous wing]

if scum will be even faster than knife + mettle + SG + DD

[eager knoll]

i haev an iron if oyu would like to borrow it

i know it works

[zealous wing]

if scum IS faster than psyker in melee, it may be ADHD heaven, long as theres damage being dealt

[austere warren]

Good lord if it can keep up with all that? I'm beyond eating good at that point.

I don't mind keeping my expectations reasonable for myself but at the very least on paper hive scum hits everything I've been wanting.

[zealous wing]

they said they wanted it to be "you cant hit me because im so fast and precise"

[austere warren]

Mhm

[zealous wing]

if they know the game (they probably dont), then they know psyker is a god at melee

they'd need to have it outpace psyker

not zealot

[royal totem]

I want something like tonfas or just dual wield pipies to hit ppl with

[austere warren]

They likely do imo. They've been seeming to embrace the natural creep that can happen in games like this

[zealous wing]

they also said its a class that focuses on dodging more than blocking, though

so like

infinite sprint slide sounds fun

if only there was a class that can do that

[austere warren]

I mean yeah. That one was a minor eyebrow raise from me but if they're mostly talking about a hard double down then I can see hive scum having a more loudly obvious time with having excellent burst windows of higher performance while needing to maintain that momentum. So far every high mobility glass cannon usually just means a high mobility glass cannon with a very accessible way of staying healthy as long as they can keep the killstreaks up.

We shall see

[late yew]

SO how did you cast it 10 min nonstop

I cannot do it nonstop

[austere warren]

Curious about how they'll translate crossbow and dual daggers this time around. Wouldn't be surprised if it's just a darktide scaled version of the same thing. Even more curious about whether or not its class weapons will stay on them or for how long.

[candid temple]

wait, dual daggers?

Oh shit

https://tenor.com/view/iman-vellani-ms-marvel-kamala-khan-omg-its-happening-gif-3478843787125613404

unless they mess it up

all they need to do is copy the DD from kerillian

istg, if they make it shit

[austere warren]

Dual shivs, dual pistols and autopistols, crowbar, some other shit and all that. Check out the forum post for hive scum if you want to just read what they're talking about.

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/dev-blog-hive-scum-class-design-talents

[brazen warren]

it would be funny if there was just a greatsword with no bonus effects like force or power

big plank of metal

[austere warren]

I have an eviscerator to sell you.

:^)

[quaint lark]

Oh it was on a aruic maelstrom mission with a shit ton, and im talking shitton of hordes and with every kill gaze lasts a lil longer while the next one recharges, and if someone else has a perk to where skill cooldowns are lowered which there was, cant remember who it kept coming back before I would stop smiting

Also I kept looking for elite kills to with smite

Most normally I can keep it up for 3 maybe 4 gazes before I lose it once but I quell so fast I have time for the next one in less then 3 secs

And using EP with smite is powerful

[zealous wing]

eviscerator is worse than a normal sword imma be honest

[austere warren]

It's definitely silly as shit yeah

[candid temple]

heavy evisc vs heavy sword

[zealous wing]

i dont use either

and, i absolute will never use a chain weapon again

ever

heavy sword tho i might use on my next psyker runthrough

combat axe, heavy sword, and shock maul are weapons i've not really used, and for ranged, theres inf lasgun, shredder autopistol, and doublebarrel shotgun.

chain weapons out, brauto also never using

[royal totem]

clutching with taxe

is frustrating

[zealous wing]

its better than clutching with a knife i can tell you that much

[royal totem]

taxe+hellbore?

idk

[zealous wing]

honestly not a bad mix

hellbore is surprisingly strong

[royal totem]

hellbore is good yes

but when there's a horde i'm fighting

i can't pull it out and just shoot

[zealous wing]

something in the horde you needed dead?

[royal totem]

yeah

the tox roastie

[zealous wing]

you kinda can

you can charge it as you equip it

[royal totem]

idk then i get hit by poxwalkers

and i only had 12 hp

[zealous wing]

oof then yeah thats rough

best action woulda been dance around until you can VoC to make space to shoot it

[royal totem]

it's sadge i beat up a mutie

a sniper

and a trapper

and then i died to the tox roastie

[zealous wing]

happens

vet is super mega squishy

cant play vet as a psyker even

[royal totem]

yeah.......

i tried my best

maybe if i was a better vet i wouldha managed

[buoyant maple]

Nah vet is indestructible

[zealous wing]

lmao

[buoyant maple]

30% toughness every second

Love that

[wind spruce]

"In both ranged and melee, the core idea behind the Hive Scum is a very mobile, aggressive style that emphasizes dodging, maintaining the offensive as you dance in and out of attacks while showering the enemies in a hail of bullets or blows."

This sounds great tbh

[zealous wing]

its almost like its the concept of the base game

[wind spruce]

And honestly a lot how meleeker/gunker plays when you have a fast melee weapon and a fast swapping ranged

[zealous wing]

but no, scum does seem fun

[wind spruce]

But with more crowd control and defensive utility than psyker has

[royal totem]

so now i get to pretend to be a drug addict

great game

lmao

[wind spruce]

Yeah... I get to "pretend"

[zealous wing]

i wonder how many times randoms are gonna barrel me off cliffs

[modest trellis]

Finally, a class I can relate to

[royal totem]

i nearly spit out my water T__T

[wind spruce]

I actually am, though

[modest trellis]

I'm so glad the devs are adding nitrous oxide to the game

[wind spruce]

In recovery but yeah

[zealous wing]

so many people were so fucking angry yesterday, i have genuine concern for my characters wellbeing when i get it

[royal totem]

oh ._. well i hope things go well for you

[zealous wing]

luckily i have dom to keep me on my toes

[wind spruce]

Things are relatively good these days, but the battle persists

(There is only war)

[royal totem]

neverending war

[modest trellis]

I wonder if old classes get these new full body tattoos and facepaint

[royal totem]

my brain struggles with many things even without drugs

depression is my good old friend

[buoyant maple]

Prob not

[royal totem]

watch out for those poxbursters

[modest trellis]

Sounds like you're in the perfect state to become a drug addict actually

I wouldn't know though ahahah

[buoyant maple]

Arb has that exclusive face that u can’t use for other classes