psyker-class

[dense geyser]

idk know the math but i know at 100 peril i right click throw shards and the kill feed says 6x everything dead

[modest perch]

honestly they never shouldve been added

[prime elk]

fucking aids

esp if more than one shows up and nobody deals with them

at least they fixed plas gunners

tox bombers were never fixed

[modest perch]

tox bombers get worse every update

[weary crane]

good luck with literally invincible enemies

tox + blue stim = invincible

not to mention healing

[royal totem]

i don't honestly give a fuck about the new class. all i want is for them to fix existing problems with the game

[zealous wing]

they get money from DLC classes, they dont from fixing existing issues 🙃

[weary crane]

Stims would be a cool modifier if it weren't for fucking blue stims

Just make them attack faster

[royal totem]

yeah......i know.

not even sure i'm gonna buy the new class though.

[zinc phoenix]

barbie was great, they’re getting my cash

[royal totem]

dunno i just feel certain issues in the game make it much less fun and disincentivize me from buying dlc or such just a personal opinion though and i'm sure others feel differently

[tulip kettle]

red stimms make melee attack faster and yellow make ranged attack faster already, thats the main thing those stimms do

[zinc phoenix]

They integrated barbie well with the other classes dialogues and it was fun to play

[tulip kettle]

they knew purple stimms would be stupid so didnt implement them

just, remove the blue ones

or make them only available for bruisers and stalkers

[zinc phoenix]

Getting bullied by a blue stim bruiser is always funny

[zealous wing]

what i dont understand is why they made enemy stim colours do completely different things than what our stims do

[weary idol]

how come OUR blue stimms don't make us invincible

huh fatshark?

[zealous wing]

why did they make red be attack speed when thats what blue does for us

make red be more damage, blue be faster attack speed, green health/minor damage resist, and just make yellow do something different, idk, since they dont have special abilities. suppression immune maybe

[strong gulch]

Probably for the same reason why they renamed things or changed blessing descriptions. "To avoid confusion."

[zealous wing]

ah yes, avoid confusion

i see a red eye rager and i think "oh he's gonna do more damage"

then he's suddenly faster and im like wtf man chill

[royal totem]

what i don't understand is why they thought enemies being able to get over 100% DR was a good idea

[zealous wing]

heres the fun part

they dont understand either

i highly doubt they even considered it

if they know, and care about us struggling with their fuckery, they'd have patched it by now

granted, blue ragers are now a "challenge" but, i dont think fighting 15 miniboss invulnerable ragers is a viable challenge

[tulip kettle]

or just getting bullied by blue bulwarks

[zealous wing]

ragers in general are just assholes

[royal totem]

i........recognize this

[strong gulch]

Image if barrels had stim juice in them

explode em and a whole group gets juiced

[zealous wing]

actually a goated idea

[royal totem]

why do you still have that clip LMAO

[zealous wing]

because why would i delete it

if someone asks what havoc is like i want to make a montage

[royal totem]

i can only conclude fat shark doesn't care about us or they're actually just incompetant

[zealous wing]

also this clip is proof you outlived ainz

[royal totem]

i'm actually surprised i outlived six too

[mighty cipher]

Does True Strike work with the moonlight GS slashes?

[calm sapphire]

I like it when ik we gonna lose when we are about to start a havoc match

[zealous wing]

i think it does, but only for the first enemy hit by it

[half pebble]

loner and savant

[north crown]

Query on Scrier's Gaze: is the peril gain is on a geometric growth curve? It seems that at some point I just can't get enough headshot kills for Crack of Bone to keep pace.

[wind spruce]

Yes

Get a staff and hold down quell. It's easier to see it gathering pace when it's a good 45s in

[north crown]

Good stuff, TY. Wasn't sure if I was just getting exuberant and missing headshots.

[wind spruce]

Wdym ranged damage boost?

[zealous wing]

the minor node above keystone branches

left side

[wind spruce]

Right

So the smaller damage boost than a dozen other things on the tree

[rapid spindle]

ay did commadores reset this week or last week?

[pure plinth]

do superiority stacks on the bfs fall off one at a time or all at once?

[wind spruce]

One at a time

Based blessing on force swords by far (uncanny doesn't count)

[ornate hamlet]

whats theatre of mortification?

[wind spruce]

Maybe the map? I have no clue tbh

[ornate hamlet]

me either

[wind spruce]

Sounds like a map name

[lone ravine]

I think it’s just 20 mortis matches

[wind spruce]

this is innacurate, btw, the first threshold for warp splitting is 10% peril and the second threshold is 60%

@brisk rock

[ripe obsidian]

You need more sacred oils to summon Tech Priest Kuli

[brisk rock]

enable peril decimals. the current peril amount you have when throw starts is relevant, the amount you get for throwing is 'too late'

I don't see anything contradicting the table above. first threshold for warp splitting requires any peril amount above 0%, second any above 50% (that's how it maths out)

the only triple hit is when you quelled passively and arguably had a positive peril amount, hence enable decimals and do frame by frame observations rather than real time

[wind spruce]

yes.... thats why im saying the threshold for 3 hits is 10%

because i was above 10% when it happened

i let it quell down to between 0 and 1% intentionally to show that its 10.00%+

[strong gulch]

Theatres of Mortification is Mortis Trials.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/mortis-trials

[brisk rock]

in other words, you spawn the projectile when you have a peril amount above 0% and below 1%, so I don't understand why that '10% threshold' would be relevant when you are clearly below it

[wind spruce]

if youre below 10% peril it hits two targets. If you're above 10% peril it can hit three

[brisk rock]

no, that's not backed by the math. and in your clip, there is no throw initiated when above 10%, only below

[wind spruce]

ill record a new video with decimals

[mighty cipher]

[brisk rock]

in this clip. there are three throws: first arguably at 0%, 2 targets. second, arguably at 0%, 2 targets. third, arguably still above 0% because of passive quelling, 3 targets

[wind spruce]

my dumb ass didnt realise it was on cast even when you said it in your last message

apologies

[brisk rock]

it's 4 am for me, I'll link you the code tomorrow with an example calculation how it maths out

[wind spruce]

cheers, ive already disproven myself in the psykhanium anyway once i comprehended it didn't count the peril generated when you cast it (on spawn as you said)

[hybrid wigeon]

Yo

What if we get a medic class

Medicae Servitor with Legs

[wind spruce]

@brisk rock much happier i'd missed a mechanic than we were talking past each other in such a mind boggling way haahaha

[strong gulch]

It was good to bring up in general tho. I bever read the part about WS using peril % when cast for assail.

Idk if everything else fucntions that way.

Seems like it would, but U don't wanna assume.

[wind spruce]

you can test something like a staff LMB by just adding or removing peril reduction talents

[strong gulch]

Ye. Not in game anymore.

[wind spruce]

VS is on cast

[strong gulch]

Oh thanks for checking! 🫡

[ripe obsidian]

I am the Psykeriest Psyker

(we did lose)

(but I died last)

[rain wren]

Damn liability

[royal totem]

idk if you can call a psyker a liability if they die last lmao

[rain wren]

Lol all psykers are liabilities. We just lucky they don't turn into daemon when they explode

Could you imagine that in darktide

A daemonhost or something pops out of psyker when they peril

[ripe obsidian]

We were four psykers

[rain wren]

Would be 4 daemons

[royal totem]

ah i forgot Six can do meme runs can rank 40 now

[ripe obsidian]

We lost again, ha. But I still topped damaged as rending trauma

[strong gulch]

Good job Mr big damage.

I'm Mr smol damage.

[royal totem]

lmao Six expert psyker now

[strong gulch]

I was spectating and incredible psyker earlier.

Great awareness, timing, footwork, etc

[royal totem]

i stopped playing for today.

games were just going too badly

charge zealot is too hard i can only shroudfield 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I appear to have lost my last 18 H40 runs. Hm.

[strong gulch]

Rip.

My assignment is 18 now.

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[royal totem]

🙁 did you lose a lot potato?

[radiant frigate]

insane that the fgs sibling didn't melee more

what a wastw 😭

[ripe obsidian]

I was the meleest

Apparently

[royal totem]

huh i thought Six is glued to staff

[ripe obsidian]

Sword for poking specials and elites

At one point I was backed into a corner by like 10 maulers + crushers

I poked 'em

I lived

[royal totem]

ah ok fair

when i have to fight 10 maulers and crushers i just die 🙁

[radiant frigate]

but you can call them that if they get half the team killed (god fucking damnit idira)

DIDN'T FORESEE THAT

[royal totem]

idk who idira is lmao

and how did they get half the team killed?

[radiant frigate]

rogue trader companion

[royal totem]

ah

[ripe obsidian]

Idira got kicked out of my party ASAP.

[radiant frigate]

unsanctioned diviner

has a 5% of triggering perils on any cast

[royal totem]

i had a terrible game earlier where it turned out i was the only real boss damage on the team ._.

[radiant frigate]

triggered turn 1, warp tremor, half the team is now prone

[royal totem]

but i got knocked off the ledge by the melee twin charge. or something like that. idk exactly what. and then i died down below

[radiant frigate]

and that half of the team never got up

[royal totem]

._. doesn't sound like a good companion

[verbal thistle]

Havoc 40?

[radiant frigate]

she's good when she doesn't do that

or explode into daemons

but i don't like taking that chance

[royal totem]

i assume Ainz isn't asking me. (asking me is a silly question cuz i'm not good enough for 40)

[verbal thistle]

I was just asking if everyone was just playing H40 together

I need to reroll mine, so I was going to ask if anyone wanted to play

[radiant frigate]

perhaps i should banish her from casting

[royal totem]

oh. i can't do 40. i'll die again ._.

[verbal thistle]

after 3 days of attempts on the same map I think I need a new map

[radiant frigate]

train her in the use of a snipey rifle or somesuch

[royal totem]

explode in to daemons?????

[radiant frigate]

yes i have seen this happen

she cast lightning, was immediately downed by perils and 2 daemons showed up

[royal totem]

oh no 🙁

[radiant frigate]

luckily the daemons pissed off soon after because i am not sure we could have taken them

[royal totem]

yeesh

[ripe obsidian]

I have lost so many games. I think I have 1 win this week

Feeling kinda burnt out after so many losses

[verbal thistle]

same

I'm fine with my losses but I got bored of power matrix

[ripe obsidian]

I'm frustrated with most games ending if I make a mistake

Like, if I go down, the team goes down

[radiant frigate]

you are the team, six

[verbal thistle]

I'm fighting False Son rn, after I'll play some

[ripe obsidian]

it feels that way some days

[radiant frigate]

it is as it's ever been

one cannot simply expect to be picked up

one must expect that, unless you yourself claim victory, victory will claim you, and it won't be yours

[ripe obsidian]

I'm tryin'

:(

[radiant frigate]

that's all we can ask of you, six

i shall pray that your efforts be crowned with success

[ripe obsidian]

I appreciate the level of drama you infused in your words

[radiant frigate]

it's what I'm here for :)

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian I can launch DT now if you did want to play

[ripe obsidian]

If you'd like. My map is also power matrix

[verbal thistle]

armor rit on mine

rit is easy

[ripe obsidian]

stim + purple on mine, I believe

[royal totem]

isn't there that one rit on power matrix though?

[verbal thistle]

yeah

but I can deal with it

[royal totem]

how do you deal with it?

[verbal thistle]

run at it

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz is Ainz. That's how

[verbal thistle]

I can stay alive

and kill the rit

[radiant frigate]

ainz winz

[verbal thistle]

this was an attempt on my map

we died at mid event

[royal totem]

i always want to try h40 again but i always feel like i'd inconvinience people so i don't. and i continue to not

[verbal thistle]

join if you want

idc

[royal totem]

nah. i won't do that to Six

[ripe obsidian]

I don't mind if you join

I am online

[royal totem]

hmmm.....i'm online

[strong gulch]

Ye

[royal totem]

sad 🙁

[strong gulch]

Happens.

[verbal thistle]

I had a friend join since we didnt get a response, we did get 1 party finder whom might leave after an attempt if we leave

[royal totem]

ah ok well tell me if you ever have room

no worries

[strong gulch]

If you want to do a non-havoc, my partner and I are starting a game.

[royal totem]

nah gonna sit here for a bit

[ripe obsidian]

I dodged away from a rager into what I thought was safety

And into the waiting arms of a crusher

I died again, and I have no idea what killed me

[tulip kettle]

i have a fun lil rot + garden silo if you wanted to try it. im baking pastries rn but will be done in 10 mins or so

[ripe obsidian]

I died twice in front of Ainz. I am a disappointment to Psykers everywhere

[strong gulch]

Meh. It happens.

[ripe obsidian]

It looks like it was a bulwark the second time

I didn't know bulwarks could instakill

[verbal thistle]

their side swipe does alot of damage

rodin got scared and ran away

[weary idol]

bulwark side swipe is an "overhead"

just without damaging through toughness

so it fuckin' hurts

[ripe obsidian]

So it might've been a shotgunner hitting my toughness 0.1 seconds before the bulwark swiped me

That would make sense

[strong gulch]

I can try.

[modest perch]

@high pulsar

[royal totem]

wtf? i didn't even know they could just nope into airlocks like that

[tulip kettle]

hashafashashasha (the sound of me eating too hot pastry)

[high pulsar]

???

[modest perch]

i think we were in the same mission lol

[high pulsar]

oh were we? neat

i'm mostly trying and failing to make chaxe psyker work

though i had an idea to tweak it a bit and run chsword instead, see how that works

[modest perch]

yea that looked kinda painful

im starting to enjoy the finer points of deimos

havent rly used it since the bfg was added

[high pulsar]

i can def see how it could work, I'm just not good enough at the fundamentals of melee to really force it

[modest perch]

im still skeptical that it may be good

i remember it sucking so hard a week before last update i got pissed and deleted them from my stash

[high pulsar]

i doubt it'll ever be close to meta, but I could see it being functional

psyker just doesn't have the melee safety tools to really make it shine

[tulip kettle]

psyker just doesnt suit chain weapons at all

[high pulsar]

yeah, exactly

[modest perch]

that mission tho

1000000 bombers

[high pulsar]

that was kinda nutty yeah

[royal totem]

what type of pastry

[tulip kettle]

bacon turnovers (puff)

[modest perch]

give ogryn one

pls

[royal totem]

that sounds really good

[tulip kettle]

sorry all for me

[modest perch]

give now

[tulip kettle]

irl i am a pushover and would immediately

however in psyker discord im a big bully apparently, so, no. all mine, getchyerown

[modest perch]

f

im even worse irl

[royal totem]

i've sadly already brushed my teeth so i can't eat delicious things now 🙁

[tulip kettle]

hey at least you did it! is good to look after your mouth bones

[royal totem]

well, i had a deep cleaning in October and i don't want a repeat

@strong gulch are you still playing?

[strong gulch]

Ye. Waiting on @tulip kettle to eat.

We can run a game is you want.

IDK if ninja is gonna runa H40 tho

[royal totem]

i see.

i'm standing in the morningstar doing nothing at the moment

i was testing something on combat shotgun earlier

[tulip kettle]

i am done face stuffing

im down for havoc or can just run aurics with ninja idm

[strong gulch]

do an auric then plan for next thing

[quiet inlet]

👍

[ripe obsidian]

Thanks for the games @verbal thistle

I am always somewhat anxious (well, more than usual) when playing with someone like you or Agent

[ripe obsidian]

I wanna prove myself

I think I did fairly well on that last map.

[languid pine]

what a beautiful day

[plucky flax]

Host your own game

[ripe obsidian]

No you

[high pulsar]

somehow out of everything I've tried, https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05c7a25-37e3-42a2-9790-1948ffcec565/khornate-psyker this is what's ended up more-or-less working, in aurics at least. I imagine it'll drop off in havoc as elites start living through rev attack + kinetic flayer proc, but I could def see it continuing to work

it's just trash at killing hordes in a reasonable timeframe

[royal totem]

@strong gulch all of a sudden i saw you all dead and i was like "oh no"

[strong gulch]

Ye. I warped back into the overhead.

[quiet inlet]

twas a good save

[strong gulch]

The other time I jumped and a sniper shot me, which pushed me under the lip of the crate, then I was stuck and got shanked.

[royal totem]

i didn't know when the spawn point there was so that's why you saw me run in a random direction lmao

[strong gulch]

Ye good clutch.

[tulip kettle]

doesnt matter ya did it

[strong gulch]

As a directionally challenged person, I feel that.

It's not mom's fault that I got lost at disney.

[royal totem]

i still remember when Hexis clutched that map

[royal totem]

land or world?

though both are pretty giant honestly

[strong gulch]

the one in cali

i think

[royal totem]

oh ok land. Anaheim

i didn't go there till i was a high schooler

(which was ages ago. i'm not that young anymore)

[strong gulch]

We went when my brother and I were younger. Make a wish foundation funded it. He's ok btw (mostly)

[royal totem]

i think

DS is better

[royal totem]

@strong gulch good try

i forgot fall damage existed

so i jumped down to try to rescue Ninja >.>

[strong gulch]

I was wondering how you got there. lmao

[quiet inlet]

yah, fatigue deffo go the best of me. my throwing was hard and legendary

[royal totem]

lmaooooo yeahhhhhh haha

eviscerator+flamer is a bit weird i personally feel

i'm also not the best at throwing knives

[strong gulch]

I am not very good with deimos as my main weapon.

[tulip kettle]

it was honestly the tool you needed there

pus attack the ragers to stop their combos

then methodically H2 em

as soon as you looped and started moving towards us i was sure you had it

then that cackling BITCH

[strong gulch]

I know I should have been using the L1 and PAing, but I lost my ability to hold my mouse strong enough. Hands gatekept me. RIP

Still. Some things felt good, and others felt clumsy.

[royal totem]

when i say that i'm used to shroudfield zealot i'm not joking 🙁

i can play okay relic if i do thammer+cshotgun though

but nooo i had to go evisc+flamer for some reason. it made sense in my mind. i was like "i think we can use some more horde clear"

idfk

it's 12am and i'm tired

[tulip kettle]

was just a coherency skissue on all of our parts tbh 🙂

[royal totem]

Yeah lmao

Needed loner coherency clearly

[strong gulch]

There are no good coherency gifs.

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-part-swag-moves-happy-gif-15773255

This could be us if the zealot stayed in coherency

[shrewd sand]

Does Kinetic Flayer work with Empowered Psionics?

[plucky flax]

Ye

[shrewd sand]

[tulip kettle]

prepare for my amazing "i guess i should do these last couple vet penances" build

with an ilas

i cant wait

[shrewd sand]

gross

[plucky flax]

1 hour rot purple painful trio. Spot the martyrdom stealth hammer guy

[radiant frigate]

marksman's focus and stealth suppression?

[shrewd sand]

Hear me out

[radiant frigate]

oh and smonks

oh dear

[weary idol]

hell yeah smoke grenades

[shrewd sand]

Hear me out

[weary idol]

better psyker bubble

[radiant frigate]

worst part of the smonks penance is that it isn't even how you're supposed to use smonks

cursed af

infiltrator drip is cool though

[shrewd sand]

Assail right? Bad. Combine Etherial Shards and Quick Shards together into one node and make the other node something to do with melee like Brain Rupture and Smite

Ehh?

[weary idol]

assail is p strong its upgrades aren't taken because gun psyker (the build that gets the most use out of assail) has better investments for those skill points

[radiant frigate]

fgs special now also unleashes your entire supply of assail shards, make it happen

[shrewd sand]

So then dont just make it appeal to Gun Psyker and give it melee uses

[radiant frigate]

or get passive assail a la soulmass family of spells

https://tenor.com/view/ds-homing-crystal-soulmass-gif-6478001619722010881

[shrewd sand]

Thats what I truely want

Is passive assail but I know that will never happen

[plucky flax]

That's op

[radiant frigate]

what if you could combine full stacks of assail into a singular, comically large assail

[weary idol]

telekine brick

[shrewd sand]

lol

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/meteor-moonfall-meteor-shower-hitting-the-mountain-rock-from-space-gif-23689946

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tennis-cat-meme-brick-cat-cat-brick-gif-1174694866650002420

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/b1ZRy.gif

[shrewd sand]

Damn

Get parried

[radiant frigate]

having soulmass be like an alternative cast for assail would be cool though

not passive but precastable

and then launches itself when things get close

[shrewd sand]

Fatshark please give me passive assail and my life is yours

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[wraith sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935197799723716638/1242842381087277117/xd.gif

[worn tendon]

New staff

[tulip kettle]

i love the implication that you still need actual wizard powers to fire it

[radiant frigate]

you must pull the trigger telekinetically

else it's not ergonomic

therefore, wizard staff

[wind spruce]

Fuck no lol

They should honestly remove passive KF

[radiant frigate]

what if charged strike was any good

[tulip kettle]

fatshark would immediately nerf it ofc

[obtuse dome]

Afk gaming needs to stop we dont need that in dt

[wind spruce]

Liking passives is smyker brain

You're a smyker dom

[radiant frigate]

should add passive kraks

automatically throw free kraks at everything staggered by VoC

[wraith sphinx]

Wtf I love smite now

[wind spruce]

"now"

[long saddle]

charged strike was good for a hot minute

when EP worked with it

[wind spruce]

You've always been a smyker rem

[wraith sphinx]

Damn ok you exposed me

I am the #1 guy in the Palpatine larp fandom

[shrewd sand]

[strong gulch]

it wasn't me

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm

[marble crater]

Blocked

[north crown]

Does Cruel Fortune proc on any weakspot kill, or only weakspot kills on marked enemies?

It doesn't seem to proc at all in the training grounds.

[wind spruce]

Marked

[north crown]

TY

[wind spruce]

Bc disrupt Destiny doesn't work in psykhanjum without mods

[wind spruce]

Of course you'd say that, smyker

[marble crater]

I haven't touched smite in months

[wind spruce]

More like haven't touched a heretic because smyker

[marble crater]

I haven't touched a heretic in over a week, because of Xcom, it's true

[deft stump]

Does bad ppl count as heretics? Like Empire scum?

[marble crater]

Which empire?

[deft stump]

Star Wars.

Current RP is slightly after fall of the empire.

[marble crater]

I don't remember a lot of different religions being important in Star Wars, so not heretic scum, just scum

[deft stump]

I see.

[honest moon]

Hey, you guys told me the other day to use Deimos on Blaze sword ?

Electrokinetic staff build

(I wanted a tool to deal with Crushers)

[graceful arch]

It's called Deimos or fgs

Ek kills too slow imo

[honest moon]

Would you tell me more or less why deimos is superior ?

[graceful arch]

Cause you can 2-3 tap crushers with headshots

[honest moon]

Obscurus can't do it? I like it's heavy more, it's more vertical

[graceful arch]

Obscurus can do it aswell but no stagger means it's less safe when there's more then 1 crusher

[honest moon]

Ah I see it also has less dmg on it's heavy. Interesting. Oki I am using Deimos

• maniacs + carapace , deflector uncanny strikes ??

[graceful arch]

Uncanny superiority is my pic

But I use empathic evasion

[honest moon]

What abour deflector ?

[graceful arch]

It's less DPS but if you feel you need it for gunners then sure.

[honest moon]

should I use kinetic deflection with it ?

[graceful arch]

If you feel you need it

[modest perch]

yeaj

[honest moon]

awesome thank you

[graceful arch]

Its more personal preference

[marble crater]

Deimos with EK sounds wrong, as both are single target options. Either Illisi or Greatsword with EK or Deimos with Inferno or Voidblast

[honest moon]

It's oki electrokinetic staff + soulblaze covers everything I need, aoe included due to shriek

I just need something when 10 crushers decide to go after my ass

[graceful arch]

Ek shriek has decent enough horde clear.

[honest moon]

Yes I use it even vs the horde I just hit the heads. I use the staff 90% of the time

[acoustic jacinth]

In this case tbh you'd still be better off with EK, seeing how you don't have something akin to an inferno staff, where you can apply DoTs insanely quick, and take advantage of uncanny strike to distribute damage quickly enough for melee to be safe. You can absolutely take force sword since shriek does the job, but EK is far safer for such hordes and its TTK is not as bad as you think, especially considering EK works as an enabler for your team too

It's real easy to melt carapace when your EK psyker keeps it in place

[dusk wren]

uhhh show does EK works for hordes

[acoustic jacinth]

Nah that's what PC and shriek are for

You 1 tap the local gunner(s), and PC does the rest

If you're tired of groaners/walkers you just shriek and get WS back immediately due to it

[honest moon]

I mean EK does 0 damage to crushers

[uncut sinew]

EK does good enough dmg to crushers, definetly better options out there

[acoustic jacinth]

No it does not

[honest moon]

I should've said that before, I use SURGE instead of WARP FLURRY

[uncut sinew]

ah, M1 EK

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah that's...

[uncut sinew]

makes sense

[acoustic jacinth]

No wonder.

If you edge peril well and warp flurry correctly

Cruhsers get killed and permastunned

[honest moon]

Right click does OKish damage, what's most important it keeps them in place but Surge build deals 0 damage so I need that Deimos for it

[uncut sinew]

SG with DD and EK is one of my favs, pretty goooood dmg

[acoustic jacinth]

Surge doesnt work well with what you have built

If youre gonna m1 commit

Go SG + DD

[honest moon]

What does that mean?

[uncut sinew]

sciers gaze with disrupt destiny

maximize the crit chance and dmg

[graceful arch]

I personally prefer the shriek variant

[honest moon]

Uhhh my crit chance is around 60% and shriek covers everything else

[graceful arch]

Though good luck doing any boss dmg

[honest moon]

I don't think I need sciers gaze. I played with it and my dmg was significantly worse

shriek is just broken

creeping flames in particular

With warp siphon I can literally spam it every 12 seconds or so

[uncut sinew]

sciers is more for the 30% finesse dmg node you get, plus the extra 30% dmg as a base if you can keep it up long enough, then it snowballs with the DD and suddenly one waterball you shoot deals like 800dmg

[acoustic jacinth]

Yea but ur m1s are still mid cause you havent built for it, and m2s with no flurry are eh. Gotta choose

[honest moon]

I know but I genuinely think it doesn't make up for what shriek does

[uncut sinew]

shriek do be a bit brokey

[honest moon]

M1 are extremely powerful still

[uncut sinew]

trauma and shriek is superior imo though

[acoustic jacinth]

Dont underestimate SG + DD m1, look in pinned builds.

[honest moon]

Even if you don't aim for the head it oneshots gunners easily (that's my job I consider) melts maulers and ragers and all the specials in 2-3 shots

Bulwarks I have also no problem with, I open them with M2

Only the Crushers are the issue

I also should've said that I currently am in 30-37 havoc range

My dmg is usually like... 1,5 to 2 million?

I can't tell though how much of it is soulblaze and how much is actual staff dmg

[marble crater]

If you are using a mod to see your damage, you can also use a mod to see how much is soulblaze and how much is the staff

[honest moon]

Is that a different mod ?

I have the mod "Scoreboard"

[marble crater]

It might be an add on for it, overprufen or something like that? I don't know, I don't use mods

[honest moon]

I see. Thank you kindly

[honest moon]

I'll give it another swing one day

[plucky garden]

Hey question, does charged strike node get a damage bonus from empowered psionics? Kinetic flayer apparently benefits from it

[patent steeple]

charged strike used to, but it was a bug so it doesn't anymore.

[plucky garden]

Does that mean kinetic flayer is a bug also?

[patent steeple]

not sure about that one, but could be... maybe someone else can eventually answer this question more clearly, because I have no memory of whether or not its also a bug...

[plucky garden]

Basically if you take kinetic flayer, once the empowered psionics stack shows up it never goes away as long you don’t use the the actual
Blitz but rely on the 12 sec cooldown against elites, specials, monstrosities to proc on any hit

So you only need the first node of the keystone to make it work

Not something to make your build around, just an extra proc of damage on larger targets every 12 sec

[acoustic jacinth]

I doubt it, KF is out of the player's control technically, so making it waste resources (EP stacks in this case) is a little ehh

And well it's a nice little bonus that EP needs/deserves

Since the other 2 are stupidly strong

And yeah not sure by how much exactly but it would add up well over the span of a match

[zealous wing]

They actually changed the way BB's damage is calculated specifically so it WOULD deal more damage, so with EP specifically it could maybe be a bug but, at the same time i think getting ones skull crushed should deal a severe amount of damage. brains are fragile after all

[shut kite]

Is there new tech for infinite crystalline without killing elites? How do you do it?

Something to do with FGS talents or stun immunity?

[royal totem]

Ive always thought of brainburst as simply exploding the brain and not the skull

Hence why ogryns cant be 1 shot. Too dumb

[trim yoke]

Aye question. Is the surge blessing bugged? On voidstrike staff?

Maybe I misunderstand the blessing. Does it fire two shots on crit- or does it apply two instances of crit dmg on a single shot

[marble crater]

It fires two shots on a crit

[eager knoll]

high intensity shock troop gauntlet, psyker teammate wouldn't stop brain bursting single crushers when hordes would spawn

he knows something i don't

he also didn't do this whenever snipers spawned within his direct line of sight

[weary crane]

Why the fuck aren't reapers staggered by force push?

[eager knoll]

advanced tactics

[weary crane]

I did it 4 times

[eager knoll]

just kill it

[trim yoke]

I thought so. Mines bugged

I’m not seeing two shots. I’ll record some shizz and send to support or something

I’ve ran this blessing for a longggg time

(Makes sense too, performs well against ogryns)

[marble crater]

They are in very quick succession, I'm not sure you can see them

[trim yoke]

Ahhhhhhh! But I used to hear them. Especially if you connect with a head shot

I’m gonna just pay attention closely before all that than lol

I’ll just bring it on a shriek build so I can spam secondary.

Thanks for the clarification soldjah

Appreciate it

Shit. I also don’t have my headphones in 🤣 ima be embarrassed if that’s the issue

Thanks again siblings see you in the hive.

[marble crater]

Good luck

[trim yoke]

Ahhh yehhhh I catch it when it procs now

You are right

It’s hard to catch unless u look for it. I threw a bolt into a lone walker- one hit but another ran past it and hit wall behind it

[shut kite]

nvm worked it out, anyone know the warp res break-point for getting 50% peril on special with FGS?

[warped fable]

so ive played a few 30-32 havocs and thay felt ok but i just played a 23 that felt IMPOSIBLE

when dose havoc actualy get hard?

[royal totem]

the problem is it depends on your teammates and what the modifiers are

[warped fable]

thats fair

[weary idol]

around 26+ is when I'd say

You might encounter problems in 21-25 from people just not ready for it to be auric damnation

with the havoc modifiers

or if it's stimms+rot armor

or stimms+anything really

just stimms

fuck stimms

[warped fable]

rotten armor + pink

• stems

fucking imposible

[royal totem]

good thing can't get all 3 of those only two

[warped fable]

tue

i mane them 3 are fuckng hard

[royal totem]

rituals on certain maps are artificially hard cuz glitched but yea

[warped fable]

ive not ran in to that

and im glad

[royal totem]

comsplex has a glitched one and power matrix. i think also one of the hourglass ones....i think it's refinery delta

[warped fable]

so thay just spawn where you cant get them?

[minor wedge]

Finally had some time to come back to Darktide. Flamepsyker with bubble shield is still peak

[weary idol]

relay station also has a really bad bugged one after the first elevator

it procs halfway up the elevator and its past the dropdown after the medicae

xd

[royal totem]

i sadly didn't ever play rituals on that map

[weary idol]

relay station might actually be the mission you're talking about since it's an hourglass map

[royal totem]

you can get the one in comsplex and power matrix. they're glitched so their aggro radius is huge and you're just very unlikely to

[warped fable]

have you changed your build to reflect the new changes?

[weary idol]

imo the ABSOLUTE worst one is smelter complex

since it's a bugged DH

[royal totem]

no. refinery delta is also hourglass and is the one i'm talking about sadly. it's after the first lift there is a glitched ritual where 1 ritualist is above but the rest of them are in the room below

[weary idol]

that forces you to activate potentially 2 other rituals if you're unlucky

[royal totem]

i think smelter complex isn't in havoc atm luckily

[ripe gazelle]

does inferno+telekine top leaderboards

[weary idol]

er wait not smelter complex

power matrix

they have the same room in them

that one double room where the bugged DH instantly procs from the other side of the room 💀

and going to clear it can then trigger a DH in the next room too

there's a boss trigger, twins trigger, and 2 potential DH rituals in that room

also captain

[ripe gazelle]

one of the maps we were in, there was this hallway within a bigger room that had a dh, and a whole U shape you had to charge through to get into the bigger room
so like, a dh provoked and we had to run a full two damn miles before we got there but by then we were swarmed

[weary idol]

that specific bugged DH can result in 3 rituals, captain, 2 monstrosities, and twins

at once

just because it forces you to cross that fuck ass room

[ripe gazelle]

i dont know my maps :(

[weary idol]

I could probably fairl reasonably map the progression route through most of them off memory

play this game too damn much

[royal totem]

yeah that room is just fuck

[royal totem]

on a side note. i really like consignment yard as a map

in my top 3 or 4

[minor wedge]

I adjusted it with a little help from gameslantern yeah ^^

Hasnt changed THAT much though.

[warped fable]

ok ive been tweaking my build in its entirety and i know im late to the party but this is what i have had the most luck with and am enjoying the most

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05da584-4fcc-416e-a7a9-3fd71eff5a11/flame-staff-bubble

the extra sprint and stamina on the knife actually is huge for my personal survivability (i also don't use my melee much since i have the flame staff)

and empyric resolve instead of inner tranquility despite the toughness hit has also ben huge for survivability since parrel gen is always stable

when running inner tranquility i would try to edge my parrel and be having a good time and then pop bubble wile also trying to spam so L1s for the stagger just to have all the buffs go away and the L1s send my perral over the edge and cause me to pop

also i dont miss mettle at all

[zealous wing]

no toughness on bubble is a choice

no toughness on bubble is like no toughness on vets VoC

[mighty cipher]

I think that taking both battle meditation and Empyric Resolve is unnecessary. It only takes 3 ticks of quelling to get enough leeway for a fully charged spew, and there’s usually enough enemies that you can take a calculated risk to full send an already max peril spew. Not to mention the viability of just puff spamming. Resolve for stability, BM for ”WE FUCKING BALLLLLLLLL”

Not having wildfire is a problem. It causes the flames to spread much much farther than they otherwise would with the inferno staff. That’s especially important because of the changes made to kinetic flayer. It also effectively “widens” your flame cone to an absurd degree.

[eager knoll]

flame circle

[warped fable]

thats far however the options where mettle or battle med to still pick up pefict timing

[zealous wing]

mettle, free toughness and movement speed on crit

[warped fable]

persinaly i fell like im getting more vale out of battle med then mettle

[mighty cipher]

You could also drop perfect timing.

[zealous wing]

no thats free damage

[mighty cipher]

The inferno staff is NOT in need of more damage.

[warped fable]

the toughness bonus is not much so i fell like its moot and the movement speed is nice but the perral is nicer

[zealous wing]

depends on the difficulty

on lower difficulties inferno isnt gonna be doing much at all

[warped fable]

15% global damage is nice on melee too and nice on BB

also the last havic game i just did my dmg was just shy of 800k

[zealous wing]

which havoc

[warped fable]

26?

i swear mid 20s are harder then 30s

ive ben trying to get the acheve to help people with there havocs

[strong gulch]

Anyone one know what the small little updates are? There's no patch notes.

[warped fable]

i dnt know it patched

im intrested my self

[mighty cipher]

Shit has hit the fan*(Respectfully, it happens. It’s the way of havoc)* if you’re using melee with the inferno staff. I’ve switched to a completely defensive spec’d Deimos because the games ENDED if I tried to fight back with my melee. And BR breakpoints get demolished so badly by Havoc that 15 percent won’t change much when put into practice.

[warped fable]

i only melee if im at max parel and OR i want to proc uncanny

[strong gulch]

There's been multiple smaller patches. Each one I've need to validate my game files for because 1 of them often fails.

I just cleared an update out of my completed history.

[warped fable]

stack a buch of warpfire on a pack of crushers then find something to stack uncanny is fantastic for dmg

[mighty cipher]

Speaking of BR breakpoints. I’ve seen 3 categories in Havoc.

• Can be 1 shot
• will be 3 shot
• I stopped counting after the 5th one

PLEASE give BR a percentage component to its damage Fartshart I BEG of you.

[verbal thistle]

gaming

[mighty cipher]

They’re scrying

[marble crater]

Adding the new class, one talent at a time

[strong gulch]

Hi

[marble crater]

Hi

[royal totem]

Oh. Its a Sut!

[strong gulch]

@zealous wing Wanna play? or are you doing chill leveling?

[zealous wing]

doing chill levelling while waiting for buddy to come back for modded MC

psyker 9 is at lvl 12 now

they grow up so fast

i should start naming them that lol

psyker#

[quiet inlet]

use roman numerals for a classy flair

[zealous wing]

i'll do that with psyker 10

[quiet inlet]

"What could Psyker_XXV possibly mean?"

[zealous wing]

and onward

[marble crater]

Hi

[royal totem]

Maybe i should level a new chara

[candid temple]

Something other than Psyker_XXX

[strong gulch]

not mine

[zealous wing]

male authortiarian asks if fem seer believes its all a dream
fem seer: "not really"

i tried to clip but discord screenshare turned replay off :((((

[strong gulch]

The deaths in the run were very funny. Someone didn't push a burster while I was handling a crusher, so it exploded and made me fly upwards which the crusher used to it's advantage and overheaded me midair.

[zealous wing]

male authoritarian replied "thats a relief" and fem seer said "after all, you dont have to believe whats real is real, it just is" or something like that

so its not that seer really believes its a dream, they just really hope its a dream

[strong gulch]

Another death was a barrel sending Ninja back up to a railing after a drop down. So no one could get to him. I tried an ledged myself.

[zealous wing]

oof lol

[strong gulch]

Also, the floor was made of ragers. There were so many.

[zealous wing]

tbh tho seer is the one aware of the music, so maybe they know to them its real but to beloved (us maybe?) its not real

[strong gulch]

I love that line.

[zealous wing]

the one about the music?

[strong gulch]

ye

[zealous wing]

its a good line

it seems to get louder when theres a lot of enemies around

[strong gulch]

ye

The first time I heard it, no one else did. 😭

[zealous wing]

LMAO

[strong gulch]

very fitting lmao

[royal totem]

done playing this game today. -_-

nearly died from a teammate shooting a poxburster i was running to push

[weary crane]

I didn't know this was a thing?

[royal totem]

what exactly is that showing?

[marble crater]

I love how discord can't play a 2 second clip to save its life

[weary crane]

macro to spam attacks on force sword

[zealous wing]

ye 100% a swap cancel macro

[weary crane]

It seems way faster than just spamming lights?

[strong gulch]

Yeah. People macro the L1 of deimos. sigh

[quiet inlet]

I got flamed in chat for the first time in forever!

[zealous wing]

its looping the initial stab, yeah

[strong gulch]

IDK what that person's problem was. I went to their marker, there was nothing important going on. I left to fight shit, came back, and they were still hanging out on their marker.

So I just left.

[quiet inlet]

Basho too short

[strong gulch]

I feel like I should have gotten flamed instead.

[verbal thistle]

what no talent points does to a mf

[strong gulch]

lmao

[timber cairn]

ik that Psyker is now just big number-ego stroking, but is this acceptable from a vet/arby/zel? Feel like psyker should carry a LITTLE less than this. This is less of me showing off big numbers in a fail H37 run, and more trying to gauge HOW to gauge when you're in a decent team.

[royal totem]

Charts dont tell u that imo. Like i feel like you should just know. Are things dying? Do people keep dying? Specials dying? Objectives being done? If those are all yesses then youre in a fine team.

[timber cairn]

half-agree with that

[wind spruce]

What amount of toughness is gained from a melee kill?

[verbal thistle]

base 5%

[twin widget]

Does assail benefit from the True Aim talent? (Every 5 weakspot hits guarantees your next ranged hit crits)

I know assail can generate true aim stacks, just not sure if it counts as a 'ranged attack' or if they only mean gun/staff

[verbal thistle]

I think it does crit using true aim if thats what you mean

" Damage: first target base damage 225 (LMB), 380 (RMB); same armor damage modifiers for LMB and RMB, very low against Carapace, low against Unyielding; can crit; damage is increased by 'rending' / 'brittleness', Skullcrusher blessing (while staggered), by Combat Stimm, and buffs from Empowered Psionics, Empyric Shock, Disrupt Destiny, Malefic Momentum, Perfect Timing, Scrier's Gaze (including Precognition), Warp Rider, Warp Rupture, Warp Siphon, aura Kinetic Presence (against elites), and the small ranged damage node"

"and the small ranged damage node""

with this I'd think it does

but that'd be easy to test

[wind spruce]

Yes

It can only generate one stack per cast

And if it consumes a 5 stack it can only generate a new stack if the game calculates that you would've crit without true aim

[sweet sigil]

my psyker brothers ive been away for a long time is melee psyker still good?

[marble crater]

No

Because it's stronger and great now

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/buster-jam-baby-happy-rattle-microgame-gif-3717647018067494000

[austere warren]

Right tree psyker still great

[languid pine]

generally if you want to gauge a decent team you'd look at how good they did their jobs

ie. vet should have highest specials killed

arb highest stagger/melee damage

zealot existing because he's going to get mogged by everyone else

and also in game performance

is arbites holding frontline proper in chokepoints

is veteran using his grenades or trying to play like he's a zealot

is zealot actively spamming chorus or diving into gunner groups

this is especially important because you will have cases where a good taunt ogryn will probably have less enemies staggered than your fart staff and do 320k over 30 minutes, but in-game he's going to save your team from shitty situations multiple times

[loud girder]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lethal swan]

When you're running the scrier's gaze build for melee along with assail, do you cast assail at all when you have scrier's gaze up?

getting used to trying to weave in assail to get those stacks lol

[verbal thistle]

assail should be saved for the 10 sec after gaze with warp unbound

for max peril buffs

[lethal swan]

got it, ty!

[zinc phoenix]

I prefer to judge zealots by how cute they look in their librarian outfit and how often they threaten me with a good book

[brazen warren]

been running my vraks auto gun with SG and the obscurus. only thing it falls short on is melee horde clear, but it is satisfying to head shot shooters in 3 autogun bullets and melt bosses like butter

[wind spruce]

Been loving obscurus lately

[ripe obsidian]

I love when the person who dies first in an H40 then complains about not having bubble.

...

Playing H40s with randoms is starting to turn me off of the game

[strong gulch]

That really sucks.

Also felt. I mostly just play with friends at this point.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. It's just not fun to lose repeatedly with silent strangers who half the time complain that I didn't bring bubble when I'm the last one standing

Unrelated, NPCs in RDR2 are weirdly aggressive. A guy started shooting at me because I rode too close to his camp on the way to a quest

I have decided on retribution.

[strong gulch]

I haven't played that game, but I've seen just that happen.

[plucky flax]

I dont get such complaints

Maybe because I stole unsanctioned 's name

[strong gulch]

EU servers might be built different.

[plucky flax]

I get a lot of psykers on inferno request to join my lobby tho when I am already on inferno

[ripe obsidian]

I usually get it from people who walked in front of gunners

[ripe obsidian]

Also that

[strong gulch]

Had someone in aurics on US E try to votekick people for not picking up a grim.

[plucky flax]

So i was like sure I'll go play another class then they suck and do no damage so Im like 'switch class ' and they actually comply

[ripe obsidian]

This train is taking far too long to arrive

I want to go do whatever this quest is, but I need this man to pay for his crimes

Here we are.

[languid pine]

votekicking in auric is crazy

[strong gulch]

Man paying for his crime and the randoms' crimes.

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly.

[strong gulch]

It was really odd.

Had a random in H40 just afk to punish us because a barrel was set off.

Instead of leaving they said something along the lines of making us learn a lesson from pain.

Of course a barrel hidden in gas in a narrow walkway is gonna get hit by inferno or VB.

Randoms

[verbal thistle]

I've been vote kicked in auric for killing things too fast

[strong gulch]

lmao

[cosmic cobalt]

I've never seen a votekick happen but that might just be a sea thing

[weary idol]

I've seen speedrunning zealots get votekicked

[royal totem]

One day ill play with Six again

[royal totem]

Wut. Wild

[ripe obsidian]

You aren't missing much

[strong gulch]

Heck you. We miss playing with Six.

[merry meteor]

I'm 700 hr in, I'm still completely blind when it comes to barrels. I have a memory capacity of a goldfish, I don't remember where they are on each map. I don't see them even in front of me in this muddy, murky, gloomy typical DT environment, especially with a lot of stuff going on around me I need to pay attention to, to stay alive. So I constantly blow them up, and being tossed around like a football. I hate those things, one single worst mechanics in the game I would vote for to be removed first of all

[strong gulch]

Surprise move tech.

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly shoot barrels as soon as I see them

So they're gone

[strong gulch]

Same

[royal totem]

I explode myself with them

And leave potato to clutch 😏

[languid pine]

meanwhile in vermintide you could roleplay as a poxburster with a barrel

dont you love it when every room you run into is a pack of gunners and reapers and then the game slows down to a halt to play cod

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/chow-yun-fat-john-woo-a-better-tomorrow-dafuq-side-eye-gif-20366944

No sliding? No styling?

[wraith sphinx]

Crazy stuff

I only ever votekicked people for straight up griefing or spamming slurs

[long saddle]

I was votekicked once when leveling my 2nd zealot on malice or something, the only thing I did was run slightly ahead at the start of refinery delta

I dropped down and then votekicked under a minute

[wraith sphinx]

Deranged

Reminds me of one time I was still very new to the game and I saw a freak initiate a votekick against someone else for playing a too tall character

[long saddle]

just regular max height non-ogryn? wack

[wraith sphinx]

Yea

Apparently this was a real and weird point of contention left over from the days when darktide genuinely sucked shit

[long saddle]

oh when you bodyblocked friendly fire?

[wraith sphinx]

I think so lol

[long saddle]

im glad I only started this year and missed a lot of the early garbage, since I had been somewhat interested from the start

[wraith sphinx]

And also apparently being anything but lowest height meant you couldn't crouch behind chest high cover, you'd still take ranged damage

[wraith sphinx]

Same but I starter when unlocked and loaded update dropped

Wanted to get the game on release but everyone I knew that played the game complained about the terrible crafting system so when that went out I was in

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[wind spruce]

This is what you get for not playing right side psyker

[rigid sky]

Just press F lol. Either you get a shriek that kills all of the non-ogryn gunners, or you get a bubble that lets you kill the gunners, or you get Scrier's Gaze that pumps your crit rate to make you kill the gunners faster and that makes EE have full uptime to protect you from the gunners.

Psykers have nothing to fear from being shot by anything smaller than a sniper bullet

[glass sundial]

first build I managed to do all by myself

with greatsword and inferno staff, and I think it's pretty awesome

although maybe I should switch wildfire for quietude, or something

[modest perch]

[deft stump]

Still that way. Why the vet cover thing is basically useless unless you wanna go ratling height.

[acoustic jacinth]

the idea is okay, though you're gonna have to commit to meleeker if that's what you're going to play (what this build is trying to be with scrier's and DD). Force Greatsword + Bolt Pistol/Heavy laspistol is a good combo for such a build

Here's what i run for meleeker

[glass sundial]

Alright then, thanks for the tip! Although I think I'm gonna keep using brain rupture. I tried assail and didn't really like it

Why do you recommend the las/bolt pistol in particular?

[acoustic jacinth]

you can sacrifice anticipation for it, following this build. though truth be told, assail might seem weird at first but it's a very strong tool for meleekers i recommend you learn. it works alongside warp splitting, making it a fuck you button for rages, for one example. anyways; as for the secondaries, me and most meleeker builds ever take such weapons due to the quickswap efficiency, the ability to finish off spread out, far specials and other annoyances alike whilst maintaining mobility, wasting no time, and spending no peril

tldr, it lets you be a more proactive melee player

[glass sundial]

right, with the staff I can't do much to enemies that aren't right next to me

[acoustic jacinth]

i mean

suuure

something like a uh

surge elektrokinetic staff

[glass sundial]

well with the inferno staff anyway

[acoustic jacinth]

could work if you really want a staff not a gun

but gun is more straightforward for the job

[glass sundial]

ofc

[acoustic jacinth]

anyways yeah

inferno staff is stupid strong

too strong

but

unrelated to the situation at hand

since it doesnt synergyze with a meleeker

it's kinda just, there

[glass sundial]

I mostly use it to either soften up hordes or apply some brittleness to carapace enemies

But yeah, I don't really have it equipped 90% of the time while in a mission

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah, that calls for a seperate build

like a run of the mill venting shriek inferno psyker, to hit high soulblaze quickly

[glass sundial]

I do have a friend who runs that all the time haha

[acoustic jacinth]

a lot of people do, especially in current havoc

[glass sundial]

But I mean, I saw him play, and it just seems kinda... boring?

[acoustic jacinth]

it is undeniably one of psyker's strongest builds

it is disgustingly passive

[glass sundial]

Yeahhhh

[acoustic jacinth]

flame staff has no response

i use inferno but far less comparatively to EK staff

voidblast is also very solid

voidstrike on the other hand, is suffering

[glass sundial]

is that the silver one?

[acoustic jacinth]

yes

bowling ball

[glass sundial]

I think I gave up on it after like 20 seconds of checking it's attacks in the meat grinder

[acoustic jacinth]

lol

i personally dont like it but even if i did i cant deny how eh it is

especially compared to voidblast

which is doing quite good rn what with the annoyance of carapace waves

especially in a good team comp voidblast's stagger shines

gives your teammates a good shot at whatever is holding the squad back

[glass sundial]

I think I'll go with some nice pistol for now

Thanks for all the tips!

[acoustic jacinth]

welcome

[ornate hamlet]

what do yall think recon lasgun should dump collaterral(cuz its not really staggering jackshit anyway) or mobility?

[zealous wing]

collat

[ornate hamlet]

thanks

[deft stump]

There's only one situation dumping mobility is better, that's quick burst into fart bomber to stagger it out of throwing a fart bomb. You still need to find and shoot extremely quick, so the value isn't that good.

Collateral dump will always fail to stagger in time.

[plucky flax]

Dump damage so you can shoot more

[cosmic sigil]

For a meleeker build what would you put on deimos? (Without PC)

[wraith sphinx]

Always bet on uncanny

[cosmic sigil]

I have tried sup + uncanny, sup + slaughterer

[wraith sphinx]

I run uncanny+slaughterer on all marks

[cosmic sigil]

And i honestly don't know what's best. Everything is working well.

[rigid sky]

Also consider Vraks 5 if you want a high dps ranged weapon. Super good for bosses or for corridors like on Magistrati.

[zinc phoenix]

Fire from recon las triggers KF tho

Which is nice, you tap someone with fire and then a few seconds later their head explodes

[acoustic jacinth]

Well, slaughterer would help further your cleave which is good since you have no reliable SB for trash clear. I like unstable power + uncanny but not in a situation where it'd be my main fighting tool, i guess

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah, it's kinda hard to figure the point where double the power is better than power + uncanny if that point even exists

[zealous wing]

works on vraks too

KF is a guarenteed hit every 12s so any attack at all works well

unless you mean infernus

[spice oar]

dawg what are you actually on about

[marble crater]

Inferno staff is very strong but it feels very underwhelming to play. It can stagger everything but crushers and it still feels like it lacks feedback. If you burn down an entire horde they just kinda burn and die.

Voidblast can fill a similar role and feels a lot more impactful to play, things explode, enemies get thrown around and fall down.

[quartz barn]

but how does voidstrike feel bad by that logic

[zealous wing]

thats the thing, void strike feels fucking great.... in lower difficulties

then it feels bad when the ball does not knock anything down

[quartz barn]

i mean its meant to kill in one hit, not knock enemies down

[zealous wing]

but alas

getting it to kill in one reasonablely timed hit is troublesome

far too unreliable for havoc

[quartz barn]

in havoc ye, but in everything else its fine

[marble crater]

Voidstrike feels great to play, it just sucks to play it

Shooting it down hallways and hearing the sound is easily the most satisfying out of all the staves, I think

[half pebble]

Why is savant psyker such a boyscout i love him but he really doesnt understand he's in a 40k game does he

[raw garnet]

Somethin somethin indomitable human spirit

[half pebble]

So true sparky

[acoustic jacinth]

Lack of feedback. It has so much visual clog, people have made mods that literally turn soulblaze SFX off just to get a better look at the situation. You don't really feel what you're doing, whereas every other staff has some from of this feedback

[spice oar]

oh, yk what mb you are real for that

[acoustic jacinth]

[wraith sphinx]

it's essentially a bit because he/she is one really bad day away from snapping so hard the loner psyker would blush

and for that we stan

[half pebble]

I stan them yes

I love male savant's voice

[zinc phoenix]

He’s high on baguette, expresso and cigarettes and has no time for mere demonic nonsense

[half pebble]

His extreme unreasonable optimism is his defense mechanism against chaos

[zinc phoenix]

Every day he wakes up, puts on his comically oversized hat and says hon hon hon three times

[half pebble]

Comically oversized hat that says "i am okay everything is fine and I am stable"

[wraith sphinx]

also goated at subtextual communication and disagreeing with people who don't tolerate being talked back to

savant would've been an excellent diplomat in another life

[austere warren]

Wouldn't even call it optimism. Savant practices denial and wilful endorsement of how things get down in tertium and the imperium overall.

[half pebble]

Eh not really

[austere warren]

They know what their position is as a psyker in imperium society at large and they kinda just gave up and moves with all of it. Their sense of optimism is much closer to selective appraisal for enforcers, the "necessity" of why the imperium does what it does, etc. They've given in to everything.

[austere warren]

They have several lines talking about enforcers.

They have even more when it comes to their exposition dialogue.

[wraith sphinx]

I'd say that's naivety, not giving in

[austere warren]

That's giving in. They're consciously aware down to their introduction dialogue.

[half pebble]

Yes that is true but importantly;

1. He was kicked out of the enforcers upon his psychic awakening
2. He criticises most of his former enforcer buddies

He is absolutely not perfect but he does at least, on the surface, attempt to have a moral compass

He is a surprisingly deep character considering he's basically just an assortment of voicelines you arbitrarily attach to your character with no arc or development

I think there was a line of him with the loner psyker that was like

"Why do you use the lex? Don't you know it only oppresses our kind?"

And his response was "i use the lex to help others"

And loner was like "oh damn that's actually kinda chill" (paraphrasing)

[wraith sphinx]

savant was a psyker all their life, they just got scapegoated and sold out by enforcers some time before events of darktide

[half pebble]

Oh really? Okay that also makes sense

[austere warren]

Savant criticizes enforcers only to bring up their usefulness with working with the general population, citing how enforcers can bend the law to sometimes help people. Savant also expresses explicitly that they knew what they were doing as a psyker being coerced into operating for the imperium just be discarded later.

[austere warren]

Which is an already empty thing to say. Adherence to imperial law guarantees psykers getting persecuted. Savant is performing active denial

[wraith sphinx]

weird that mentions of that are primarily restricted to savant-arbites interactions, but then again this whole lore dump format is pretty weird

[half pebble]

Yeah savant is definitely naive in that they believe that the imperium's failings aren't inherent. Same with the judge zealots. They perpetuate the same behaviour they also vriticise to a certain extent

[austere warren]

That isn't naivety. Naive people aren't so consciously aware of the system they endorse that they can go into detail about its agents. That's cognitive dissonance at best.

[slate sundial]

what is a melee psyker

[half pebble]

Oh yes absolutely, though I think what he was trying to get at was to invoke the lex only when it would help people and not when it wouldn't. He's not exactly cozy with arbitrators on top of that. He calls them oppressors like the other psykers.

[half pebble]

Mmm good point

[austere warren]

And I haven't heard that loner line at all. I'll look it up because loner is the main and only personality in darktide that constantly speaks out against the reality of the imperium.

[wraith sphinx]

Cognitive dissonance or whatever, they definitely have a complex relationship with their position in society and it abundantly shows

[half pebble]

Arguably loose cannon and judge sort of do sometimes, but not nearly to the loner's extent

[austere warren]

They added a lot of extra dialogue since...I wanna say maybe before this recent patch. Idk if those are unused files or not.

[wraith sphinx]

the two big dialogue line additions were Arbites and bound by duty patch

maybe there was something else before but if so I believe that happened during a period where character conversations were bugged and didn't play out properly

[half pebble]

The judge is interesting because they are at once rather progressive and compassionate for the common person and hates corruption and yet as a zealot is also cruel to those he deems lesser. Furthermore, he seems to not understand that the inequality and greed is very much inherent to the imperium and not just a corruption of the emperor's designs

[half pebble]

Yes theyre a very interesting charactwr imo.

They try to be "good" and yet are also kind of weird and have a lot of cognitive dissonance

[austere warren]

It's a good thing that words matter

I wouldn't even really call it complicated. They're just a psyker that performs doublethink, lies to themselves about what is possible working to promote the imperium, etc.

They have the sort of expressed self that comes with formerly disillusioned people involved in terrible institutions, coerced or not, just giving in to the same system that caused them grief and making up as many excuses as possible. I'd agree in it being a sort of defense mechanism, but not for the reasons brought up previously.

They're a pretty tragic character. Pathetic, in an honest word.

[half pebble]

Good analysis

I feel like they grew up relatively privileged hearing stories about space marines and such and seeing only an idealised version of the imperium and the reality of life in the hives hit him like a train

[wraith sphinx]

I don't think it's charitable to call them pathetic when they operate in a society that runs on the bonkers logic where one's two primary choices are obeying the ridiculously inhuman tenets of imperial society or become demon fodder... eventually - except the former doesn't even prevent/exclude the latter

[half pebble]

They want so desperately for there to be a way out and for there to be some way to make the imperium better and there just isn't and maybe he subconsciously understands that but isn't ready to admit it to himself

I also think its interesting/sad how the other psykers also sorta keep them at arms length. Like seer says "this doesn't mean I trust you, sibling" etc, in trying to be a model minority, he has gained no acceptance from the people he was trying to impress and simultaneously lost the respect of the only group of people that mightve accepted them

I find it sad how he really does seem to have good intentions but is just. Not ready to let go of his faith or his worldview

[austere warren]

It's possible. Idk about any extra writing that might exist that focuses or alludes to the personalities since everything is mostly just for the named npcs of the game (morrow, Zola, rannick, etc).

Their background can be anything from a hive urchin to a scribe iirc. In either direction, they were a psyker spared and used as an asset. They express knowing full well what that was and if you noticed, they do so in a much more esoteric way. Even the delivery is seeped in a sort of pained recollection, again expressing that awareness of what they were made to do/willing to do, always expendable regardless of how dependable and skilled they're framed as being.

They're a person who would have never been considered a whole human who was used and perpetuated those abuses on to their own. And rather than embracing something different, they don't even express resentment but rather acceptance. So much so that they're willing to look another psyker in the eye, call them sibling, then say that it's actually good that enforcers exist because some may utilize the law to undermine it. They know full well that that's just something they're saying to soften the blow that does to themselves and to others.

[wraith sphinx]

They do that because of their personal bias. They were an enforcer themselves, believe they've done good, and are proud of it. Ergo, they also feel there's other good guy enforcers like themselves out there.

[austere warren]

Mhm. Which is part of that tragedy. Savant has spent so much time being down for the imperium that other psykers already pick up on it. Seer is quite literally delusional and enamored by whoever their Beloved is from whatever madness they seem to be experiencing and even they don't really fuck with savant.

[half pebble]

Their beloved is the emperor, yeah?

[austere warren]

Yeah, someone that believes themselves to be "one of the good ones". Which is a core theme to their sort of character.

They think that individuals within the system that wield power given through it are capable of doing great individual things. Their focus is on seeing themselves and others as exceptional rather than commonplace as enforcers and humans forced to live under the imperium. Their imagination is stunted and a consequence of how they seem to have been worn down by their role as an enforcer. Of course they'll make excuses for things in this case. They're not really stable in their own beliefs.

[austere warren]

I genuinely wouldn't know. I'm not as deep into 40k lore at all compared to my own peers and then people that show up in the discord. Some people say that it might be the emperor or a daemon of some kind, etc.

[austere warren]

Which is why I said that they're a tragically pathetic character. Not as a sort of blind condemnation necessarily. @wraith sphinx

[wraith sphinx]

That's okay, I just don't really agree on classifying them as pathetic (assuming you mean pathetic as miserable or inadequate) because I feel at some point their characterization is restricted by GW's frankly goofy worldbuilding.

[white sky]

Hypothetically it's a shard of the emperor

[wraith sphinx]

If we were to transplant darktide's rejects into, say, DnD, I think the output of that would all be sitting firmly on the evil side of the morality spectrum. Savant would simply be one of the few clearly lawful evil characters

[white sky]

Tbf DnD alignment is kinda

Not what it used to be

So much so I don't even see DMs use it anymore

[wraith sphinx]

it's okay in moderation, I just brought it up as a commonly understood example

But otherwise I think gamifying morality is pretty shitty

[white sky]

Yk the original intention of it?

Alignments

[wraith sphinx]

Uhhh it was to restrict certain race/class/playstyle combinations wasn't it

[white sky]

Kinda, it locked you out of service of certain gods and into others

Like if you were Lawful Good you could only align with LG gods

OG dnd had a lot of determinism going on

It then boiled down to morality by quadrant

I think in 5e 24 there's a whole three(3) items that rely on alignment

Anyway that is today's dnd history lesson lmfao, thank you for humoring me

[glacial garnet]

fuck you me

[half pebble]

is alignment more about intent or effects idk

[austere warren]

I mean pathetic in the sense that they don't really allow themselves to embrace the reality of things for what things are and rather the wishful thinking they employ to allow them to even begin to try to appeal to fellow psykers, an explicitly persecuted underclass within the imperium.

On the end of the writing, I do think that it captures that sort of mindset very well. It's not impossible for oppressed people to be agents of the same oppressive forces that target folks that share their background with others. What's particularly painful for those people in that situation can be the depth of mental gymnastics used. They're both actively aware that what's happening is a danger not only to themselves and others, but as a former agent, the intent and cooperation needed to continue as a selected member of the oppressed taking on the role of direct oppressor. Being in that sort of position requires a pretty consistent dedication to redefining and reframing an oppressive system as somehow beneficial to those being shit on.

Pretty apt, albeit stifling where it can be.

[white sky]

I would say intent tbh

[wraith sphinx]

more like meta-intent tbh, if it's an enforced mechanic you have to act a certain way or the GM challenges your morality pick

[plucky flax]

Damn was outdamaging a shriek purga on arby with purple modifier.

Then I died and team died trying to save me.

[half pebble]

if we're going by intent i'd say savant is more like lawful neutral, if by effects then yes probably lawful evil

loose cannon is chaotic evil

[austere warren]

I could see that yeah. They're very much so concerned with aligning themselves with formalized exploitative institutions. They're just not tonally enthusiastic

[half pebble]

well fem loose cannon

[wraith sphinx]

savant threatens to extrajudicially kill the loose cannon if they ever catch them looting tertium, I don't think calling them good or neutral in DnD's context would hold up

[white sky]

Tbh I think basically every personality in darktide is evil in some fashion

At least by dnd's metrics

[wraith sphinx]

they say verbatim, "Loot my city and I will kill you"

[white sky]

Loner is probably the closest thing to true neutral?

[half pebble]

neutral neutral maybe

[half pebble]

OGRYN

[white sky]

Nah cause Savant is still upholding the systems of the Imperium

[austere warren]

Can't say much about masc loose cannons characterization but femme loose cannon definitely is on that scoundrel tip. They're pretty aware that all this is horseshit and even know more clearly that the powers that be in the imperium include authorities and the elite. They also are pretty much on their "as long as i get mine, fuck the rest" kind of time. So much so that they're just openly scheming, unapologetically too.

[white sky]

It would be like worshipping Bane in dnd

[white sky]

Alignment Hungry lmfao

[wraith sphinx]

okay maybe ogryns could be fitted into true neutral if we're being cheeky lol

[half pebble]

evil doesnt feel right tbh. theyre deffo not good or perfect dont get me wrong but i disagree with evil

[white sky]

I think brawler defo could be

Bully is more evil imo

[austere warren]

Does masc loose cannon blatantly talk about unsanctioned pilfering and profiteering and desertion as much as femme loose cannon?

[white sky]

Dnd evil is equivalent to "highly selfish and self important"

[austere warren]

I almost never see masc loose cannon vets. It's usually masc cutthroat and professional.

Femme cutthroat as well.

[white sky]

M LC vet here, yes

[austere warren]

Mmhm

[wraith sphinx]

I know male LC enthuses the opportunity to pilfer the streets of Tertium, and that fem savant promises to kill him if she catches him in the act. In one variation, indirectly, in other, directly as mentioned above

[austere warren]

Is there a yt that has a compilation of dialogue? Been struggling to find ones that are updated

[white sky]

Frip Frop only dude ik of compiling voices

[wraith sphinx]

bound by duty is still relatively fresh, so unlikely, but I regularly check on frip frop, hypnolepsy and locken

tho NB: frip frop occasionally edits or omits parts of reject dialogues for comedic effect

and also has zero fem savant content