psyker-class

[pale prairie]

Vibe based statistics

[wind spruce]

the cuckolds mantra

[strong gulch]

VB strong. Inferno stronger.

[acoustic jacinth]

trauma staff doesn't cleave through entire hordes, hence damaging literally everything via soulblaze, and this goes for crushers too, as long as you have a source of uncanny. this isn't something that's new, it's common knowledge everywhere that the purg (flame) staff is the strongest tool psyker has

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-tom-delonge-what-the-gif-13829782

[strong gulch]

Within the context of high density.

[marble crater]

@pale prairie @wind spruce now you are just missing Dom to complete the trifecta of psyker chat bullies

[warped fable]

i understand what the hive mind has concluded im looking for individuals talking about there opinions of the 2 staffs i often find that what a group decides is "best" dose not always = the sum of its parts

[wraith sphinx]

people would literally do ANYTHING but actually playing the game 🥀

[pale prairie]

But we have you so that’s 3 bullies

[buoyant maple]

VB’s issue is that it usually takes 2+ charged atks to kill elites so the actual TTK vs mixed horde isn’t that impressive, while inferno can essentially dps check every non-boss enemy into oblivion

[marble crater]

I'm not a bully, I just troll sometimes

[pale prairie]

Inferno even does boss damage when compared to the other staffs

[warped fable]

this is an opinion i can get behind

[pale prairie]

Dots are wild

[strong gulch]

I reject taking responsibility of the burden of proof. It's well established as already mentioned, and discord has a search bar.

[pale prairie]

Nonononono in the 3 years of this game this is the first discussion ever

[wraith sphinx]

krieger...

[warped fable]

this being stated in your Opinion raw DPS is more important than CC?

[pale prairie]

I won’t listen to the hive mind

[buoyant maple]

In the vast majority of cases in this game u can prevent more issues by killing enemies significantly faster

[wraith sphinx]

the hive mind told me your jordans are fake

[buoyant maple]

That’s not to say stagger isn’t good

It is

[marble crater]

I will always reject the responsibility of burden of proof when answering a question if I start by saying something is better then yes I will (I won't)

[warped fable]

disapointing

[buoyant maple]

But the dps discrepancy is massive

[pale prairie]

Something being dead is better than knocked on the ground. Inferno also can CC with primary fire and Blaze Away stacks

[buoyant maple]

Stagger is most useful when u cannot dps check the current situation you’re dealing with

[pale prairie]

Yeah cause I ain’t got Jordans. Not every American has Nike shoes

[buoyant maple]

Which is just not that frequent of an occurrence in the current state of the game

And, in addition

If you’re talking about havoc

There’re usually teammates who do stagger for u

[marble crater]

Every German does in fact have either Puma or Adidas though

[wraith sphinx]

fake american

blocked + reported + brain bursted irl

[zinc phoenix]

horizontal slice into horde

[pale prairie]

looks at the state of the country I think you just complimented me

[pale prairie]

How stylish and uniform

[marble crater]

In the past a lot of people also really loved Hugo Boss

[warped fable]

so for the few people that have given an Opinion It would seem that the consensus is killing things is better than CCing things even if you CCing bulwarks and crushers

So by that logic psykers should never bubble they should always vent because killing things is more important?

[buoyant maple]

That is not what I said

[zinc phoenix]

bubble is a crutch for the bad its true

and the downside of using it is it reduces psyker effectiveness at the core task of making things dead

dead men shoot no web

[wraith sphinx]

I think you should play with a damage dumped inferno staff and shock maul

[buoyant maple]

Even vs crusher & bulwark it’s very possible to dps check them before they cause real issues

[zinc phoenix]

anyway i have found true meleeker. flurry rending trauma, bb+kf, sg, dd (minus the last node). its very very nice to play and gives tools for all the thing. + you are constantly at risk of head boom

[pale prairie]

Depends on the build and the goal of the build. If you are there to support and the modifiers mean a ton of ranged elites than yeah bubble is useful. If your build goal and role in the team is to kill hordes then you go shriek inferno

[wraith sphinx]

I like flurry rending trauma

[buoyant maple]

This is more team comp dependent in havoc

[wraith sphinx]

it's the only trauma build I actually enjoy

[zinc phoenix]

so much carapace rn

[pale prairie]

You are a good man

[zinc phoenix]

i feel like every other wave is just fat sweaty ogs in metal

[pale prairie]

Team player

[wraith sphinx]

😊

thank you, I try

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[candid temple]

I mean yeah, l1+l2 isn't as good as psword or relic sword horizontal head removal swings, but they're respectable

[acoustic jacinth]

followup attack of push is also really good

literally, dead straight horizontal

[pale prairie]

I mean Boss is in the name. Obviously it makes my genitals bigger and my height taller

[marble crater]

[wraith sphinx]

trauma psyker also feels so vindicating to play when I manage to assblast enemies to stagger right in front of a zealot after trying to play zealot myself and getting annoyed at getting constantly shot in the ass by pubbie vets and arbys emptying their guns into trash mob hordes I was trying to kill myself

[pale prairie]

Nothing like getting toughness gen blueballed by the arby holding left click on shotgun

[wraith sphinx]

Right??? AAAB

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-smile-ooooo-yeah-gif-14408539

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0554aa5-0522-430e-b7dc-78676a540c6e

here what i run rn

[wraith sphinx]

nice

[tulip kettle]

Me no bully

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-james-doakes-dexter-dexter-morgan-sus-gif-2943806044988383855

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-dog-smile-smiley-dog-gif-16415296350598316515

bully

[tulip kettle]

Wrt the discussion at hand, yes vent is better than bubble 99% of the time. But bubble helps you win games by showing the idiots where to stand

I mean, valued team members

[wraith sphinx]

bubble is nice to have when playing with valued team members who ignore shooters but not necessary to win

I regard the bubble as peak comfort pick

[tulip kettle]

Same as pen flames is poopy for getting your own yellow numbers, but good for making team mates more impactful Into rot armoured

[strong gulch]

I don't take shriek in havocs because I am second psyker. Why give my friends SB to boost their numbers?

ignore me taking empyric shock

[tulip kettle]

Factual and based

[wraith sphinx]

I've exclusively played gaze in havocs so far

[tulip kettle]

Or take the opposite approach, take venting too and race to shriek everything first to get first application

[strong gulch]

The only way to possibly stop the SG buff is if more take it into havocs.

[strong gulch]

I'm too slow. 😭

[tulip kettle]

💪 follow beans!

[strong gulch]

[wind spruce]

Anyone got an opinion about obscurus single target combos?

[pale prairie]

I’ve seen beans jump off too much stuff to follow them

[sturdy reef]

H1/L2/L3 rinse and repeat

can also do H1/L2

[acoustic jacinth]

This is the most loner psyker sentence i've ever read

[tulip kettle]

simpletons, i have a shield!

[acoustic jacinth]

OH NNNNNOOOO

TRAPPPERR!!

[haughty star]

A fellow gentlemen i see

[wind spruce]

I oneshot a crusher without critting earlier with h1 lel

[sturdy reef]

its very strong

[haughty star]

Shield is still aggressively mid. It's a team comp gimmick in a game where everyone prioritizes personal dps and synergy above all else

[royal totem]

@strong gulch are you around? i need advice

[haughty star]

I dont even know that its that mid its just scriers and vent are so strong

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's pretty nuts tbh

[strong gulch]

hi

[sturdy reef]

ne1 wanna do H40

[royal totem]

should i sacrifice stopping power on my C shotgun for mobility?

[sturdy reef]

I feel like playing meleeker rn

[royal totem]

i always want to do h40 but with me, you won't even make it out of the first room

[haughty star]

Meleeker is just magic version of space racist

And im here for it

[wind spruce]

I feel like playing force puncture right now

[strong gulch]

I have no clue about shotguns.

[royal totem]

damn ._.

[cosmic cobalt]

stopping power affect stagger iirc?

sometime you dont want it sometime you do

[royal totem]

i only pull out my shotgun to shoot specials and gunners

[wind spruce]

Stopping power is damage isn't it

[cosmic cobalt]

its pretty minor and affect unarmoured mostly

[strong gulch]

I am sure there's a meaningful difference between the way vets and psyker build them, but the vet guide has at least something over "IDK lol".

[buoyant maple]

Don’t drop stopping power ever

[strong gulch]

I apparently have a shotgun and it's built like this. I am sure that I stole from somewhere. No clue if this is actually "correct", meta, or up to date.

idk about mks too

[buoyant maple]

This is for zarona shotgun build

[royal totem]

this is mostly how my shotgun is built but i want more mobility 🙁 build so slowwwww

[strong gulch]

Stopping power on cshotgun is damage and stagger.

[royal totem]

Shock maul+shield combined with shotgun is just so damn slow

oh ._. dropping damage would be bad

[buoyant maple]

What’s ur talent tree

Arb can easily get 20% extra move speed constantly

[strong gulch]

Path is here. All is well.

[royal totem]

my build is bad ._.

[buoyant maple]

It’s ok

I make bad builds too

[wraith sphinx]

knowing how and when to block and dodge compensates for vast majority of bad builds

sun tzu said that

[hearty wolf]

gamae?

@buoyant maple

hi

[sturdy reef]

I will gaem

[plucky flax]

3.8mil with bubble. Maybe would be 4.5m with shriek

[buoyant maple]

Hi

[buoyant maple]

Am outside

[hearty wolf]

fock

Anyway we brain storm together

once my game loads

Is my havoc build

I notice in your general one, you skip grenadier for 25 toughness

I don't because a common cause of death is not being able to clear rot armour and that extra krak can be rather impactful, so I'm okay with dropping it

[buoyant maple]

Fair

I personally like OM more than LS

I also don’t run VoC anymore on any build lol

Exe is just too good

[hearty wolf]

The main issue I have currently is power sword is fun and all but when it comes to 1v1'ing bosses when solo, it's a fucking nightmare. I know how to do it in the psykanium but in actual gameplay, the map makes it hard to get into a position where I can make a consistent loop /1 specialist can just say no

I'm also using plasma gun

[languid cipher]

wasn't it today the relase of news for the new class?

[hearty wolf]

But fairly happy with plasma gun

how do I get better and never die in havok fourtee

I'll make builds with exec now, which subnode do you take?

[languid cipher]

practice, a solid build, and luck/good teammates

[hearty wolf]

but teammates already dead 😭

[buoyant maple]

Also tbh if u want grenadier I’d drop superiority complex for it

And get both 25 TGH

25 TGH makes a huge difference

[hearty wolf]

Mm.

[buoyant maple]

Or drop agile engagement

[royal totem]

mb mb @strong gulch

[hearty wolf]

Agile engagement has such big numbers on it though

[royal totem]

chose the wrong place to down

[strong gulch]

same lol

[quiet inlet]

double same

[hearty wolf]

I'll try dropping grenadier for now

I don't like throwing grenades anyway lul

[royal totem]

didn't see the tox flamer so 🙁

[strong gulch]

That oggy exploding the burster on us didn't help.

[royal totem]

DELAYED

[quiet inlet]

that guy was a fucking terrorist

[royal totem]

for a week

[royal totem]

i accidentally exploded one on okri lmao

[strong gulch]

Yours wasn't on a ledge.

[quiet inlet]

I was a magnet for disaster and not caffeniated enough to cope

[hearty wolf]

@buoyant maple I guess the other thing is why OM over LS for havoc. I don't find the pull-out time that bad and more damage might mean one less shot at range.

[royal totem]

oh no. i think we got a smyker

[strong gulch]

I didn't even look 😭

[royal totem]

i always look xD

[quiet inlet]

eh, dead weight is better than active harm

[marble crater]

Reddit is losing their minds over it, it's hilarious

[royal totem]

i can change your sentence

to reddit is losing their mind

[quiet inlet]

someday the smyker will do somethung useful

probably not today, but someday'

[ripe obsidian]

Argh, announcement delayed. >:(

[plucky flax]

FS classic 'next week'

[buoyant maple]

Throw grenade faster

Wat gun u using

[hearty wolf]

I'm sold

Currently plasma BUT

I am interested in DB

[buoyant maple]

Plasma 1 taps basically need exe stance or extreme buff stacking + crit

Scab gunner 1hs in havoc is just way too much hp

[wraith sphinx]

I believe it that this is likely GW meddling.

Fatshark can be really goofy sometimes but not this goofy

[plucky flax]

No this is just typical FS incompetency.

[strong gulch]

949 vet shooting crushers with a infantry lasgun went badly

[royal totem]

i was so close T__T

[strong gulch]

you were 😭

[hearty wolf]

Yeah is expensive. I'll give DB a try out now since I want to use a shotgun

[royal totem]

got boxed by all the snipers

[hearty wolf]

I'm going to need Always Prepared ig

i hear Cole has a build but I have yet to see it

What am I dropping for it?

[buoyant maple]

DB is essentially
U beat “inf cleave” by playing inf cleave

[languid cipher]

MY SOUL PAINS, (sorry didnt see the anouncement)

[royal totem]

luckily release date not delayed. just announcement

[strong gulch]

@quiet inlet @royal totem https://discord.gg/k2cgeG2Y

==============

[buoyant maple]

This why I use exe now

Exe is essentially veteran pro max plus

[hearty wolf]

Yes

I am trying it

I getting dopeamine

I dropped superiority complex to get always prepared

That right?

[buoyant maple]

U could

[hearty wolf]

Tbf exec not doing anything here

cos you murked them

[buoyant maple]

Exe is safety

Stun immune = powered atks can’t be cancelled via the bug

[hearty wolf]

o

It doesn't mention stun immunity

[buoyant maple]

Bug: if u do energized atk while enemy hits u, all remaining energized atks are cancelled

They didn’t fix this when they fixed stun cancelling power sword

But stance bypasses this

[hearty wolf]

That's huge

also buffs

ALL THE BUFFS

[buoyant maple]

I think Cole dropped precision strikes to save 2 points cuz he runs shovel + DB, neither gain that much from weakspot hits

[hearty wolf]

I think PS gains a lot though, no? Really easy to hit heads plus BM

[buoyant maple]

For power sword yea wouldn’t drop precision strikes

DB is mainly carried by inf cleave + bleed + uncanny

It’s like playing inferno with extra steps

[hearty wolf]

But it feels much more fun to play

[buoyant maple]

U beat “inf cleave” by playing inf cleave

[hearty wolf]

And weapon specialist actually feels like

[buoyant maple]

Yea well psyker is “brainrot, the class”

[hearty wolf]

the keystone doesn't feel like a chore

like I don't need to switch to plasma to kill a groaner which feels like a waste or scout a special

I can kill anything

with db

[buoyant maple]

As it turns out playing 100% of the game is more fun than playing 50% of the game

[hearty wolf]

Well let's see how it goes

Trying to get into a h40 when my assignment is 21 lul

[ripe obsidian]

I got moved to a new office. The view from my desk is nice.

[plucky flax]

Big man making big money.

[ripe obsidian]

I am short

I am only 172cm

As for the view, I mostly got lucky with desk placement.

[royal totem]

Six very important 😮

[hearty wolf]

I'm 158

[strong gulch]

Oliver @tulip kettle @royal totem @hearty wolf

Also some very dead grass

[marble crater]

That's a cat, not grass

[sturdy reef]

I had a pretty easy one before so now ofc I get one that is ass

[ripe obsidian]

Not particularly

[ripe obsidian]

I can maybe try with you this evening. Fairly late, tho

[ripe obsidian]

We are both short.

[sturdy reef]

I would probably pick vb for this

[hearty wolf]

I'm shorted mentally now after that recent game

[haughty star]

I

Love the changes

Sometimes it really is good to just step away for an extended period

[mighty cipher]

Is unstable power actually 5% or is it just messed up on the tooltip?

[modest perch]

its up to 20

[wind spruce]

You're above average globally

[verbal thistle]

5% each stack up to 20%

[mighty cipher]

So it's the same as it was. wonderful

[ripe obsidian]

Which one?

[marble crater]

Six renamed to 5.6

[buoyant maple]

still don't like grenadier for krak cuz the twinned feature is just rly bad for krak
if it was like 20% chance to not consume a blitz charge I'd prob like it way more

the 2 nades sticking to same target is just so sad

[tulip kettle]

this is the best what do you mean

garden + rot is peak havoc gaming

[lethal swan]

MK VI FGS is usually the better mark, right?

[cosmic cobalt]

what with chinese psyker and straight up cheating

[candid temple]

yes

[candid temple]

qq cheese?

or aimbot or what?

[marble crater]

It's purely preference really, both are great

[lethal swan]

Also for melee pysker with assail, is the point of assailt to weave it in to get MM stacks and keep your peril up?

[wind spruce]

and to do damage, but yea

although KF + PC maintains MM pretty reasonably

[elder gale]

Why does everyone say warp ghost keeps you at high peril

Or is that only for melee builds

[long saddle]

why would it not keep you at high peril regardless?

[elder gale]

It still seems solid for the toughness aspect but I don’t see how it helps peril

[marble crater]

It helps because your passive quelling is a lot slower

[weary idol]

can you read what warp ghost does for me real quick

like just

copy paste its description here

[icy breach]

nice; i like those

[strong gulch]

@quiet inlet @tulip kettle play without me

[elder gale]

You’ll stay at high peril either way due to your own input, it’s easy if you’re using a staff just hit your primary attack when you notice passive quelling kicking in

[elder gale]

-80% passive quelling, +2 stamina, 25% toughness replenishment

[ripe obsidian]

Peril not quelling passively means it takes less time and effort to get to high peril

[icy breach]

its soo good its ridiculous

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Ghost is amazing

[elder gale]

I’ll give it a try

[icy breach]

its not that; its the fact every high peril buff stays for longer so you do more dmg & you don't die as quickly cause you get actual TDR at high peril due to one with the warp; also creeping flames for venting shriek being available even when you don't cast & have to reposition

[marble crater]

We all just take it because we are lazy though

[icy breach]

i take it cause its bs strong

majority of the time psyker manually quells instead of passively so you technically don't lose anything

• extra 2 stamina is perfect for deflector force sword builds cause that weapon has abysmal stamina of 2 at base... you grab 2 from the talent & 2 from perks and you don't need to sacrifice toughness from a curio

[elder gale]

It’s between Warp ghost, emp resolve, just a dream, or immaterial focus

[icy breach]

build? weapons?

[elder gale]

Immaterial focus would be really good if it includes when dogs jump on you and nets but I don’t know if those are included when it says immune to stun

[elder gale]

How do I upload my build

Hold on I’ll take screenshots

[icy breach]

immune to stun = when you get shot while at 0 toughness & being hit in melee does not flinch you

[lethal swan]

Does Quietude and Just a Dream work with each other?

[icy breach]

But primarily that node activates too late in terms of stun immunity; you actually need to be at like +95% to activate it and thats not great unless you use scriers gaze infinite cast build; i take it cause 10% DR is good & there is nothing better to take

[icy breach]

ofc; you gain peril = you get toughness

i've seen psykers tho who died due to just a dream tho

[lethal swan]

Was debating if I should give up that dodge skill for quietude

[icy breach]

i dont use it personally

in any build

[lethal swan]

It's for Ainz's melee build lol

By far my favorite one so far for melee psyker

I definitely always blow myself up

when I take Assail on melee psyker lmao

[icy breach]

Don't worry i blew many times too when i tried it at first

[lethal swan]

just this one with FGS

i enjoy not weaving in assault for MM stacks lmao

I guess I could swap out Anticipation for Quietude so it works with JAD?

[ripe obsidian]

Is what I meant, you just said it better.

[lethal swan]

Also Psyker mainly just generates toughness back from just killing things with the warp and critting right?

[ripe obsidian]

Mostly

[icy breach]

NEVER TAKE OFF ANTICIPATION; its soo good it should always be included

just like every good arby build uses street smarts

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker has a ton of toughness gen nodes

It's kinda goofy

[lethal swan]

yeah lmao

Honestly I've been running his build without Quietude and its been fine since I'm like

constantly at 90% peril and critting and killing nonstop

But god, I just can't get Voidblast staff to work

I can do Inferno staff no problem

[ripe obsidian]

I am using Quietude currently. It's working well. I don't have anything I want more, but it's the first node I would drop if I did

[lethal swan]

true lol

For melee build?

or just in general

[ripe obsidian]

In general

I don't run melee super often

[lethal swan]

ahhhh

What did you run for Voidblast to take Quietude?

Voidblast is tons of fun but I keep having this weird situation where my toughness gets chunked down to like 25% and I can't regenerate it back quickly

[icy breach]

you're not killing fast enough then

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno tends to survive longer because Empathic Evasion is absurdly strong

[lethal swan]

yeah lol

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast requires more thoughtful positioning

[lethal swan]

that makes sense

the match I was in yesterday I died like 3000 times but we had like 2 stealth knife zealots

[icy breach]

i would say both require good positioning due to range; purgatus survives better vs ranged but loses vs masses of armour

trauma does not have such issues but can be dicey vs ranged feeds

[lethal swan]

yeah

I think purgatus works well since its intuitive

and since you're constantly flaming you get back toughness

[icy breach]

considering how enemies got buffed now; Trauma > Purgatus

both insane but Trauma better

[lethal swan]

yeah lol

[icy breach]

cause better debuff & actual stagger

[lethal swan]

how's the rending build on Trauma compared to teh soulblaze one?

[elder gale]

@icy breach dm you the build

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on the build. I do fine against armor with uncanny/superiority force sword and LMB stagger on Inferno.

[lethal swan]

Quietude really feels liek Steady Grip for Ogryn to me, like a "I need my toughness back" button

[icy breach]

i meant as if they would be on their own

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[lethal swan]

How's the Rending build compare to the Soublaze build nowadays?

[icy breach]

ofc purg is insane cause uncany is broken

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny needs to affect only melee damage

It is absolutely broken, I agree

[lethal swan]

uncanny affects the staff?

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

My fire stick shouldn't do top DPS to crushers

[icy breach]

but this has been for a long time; the moment staff psyker pulls out melee its the moment you start losing

[icy breach]

affect everything you do; even grenades... its stupid

[lethal swan]

lmao

[lone ravine]

It doesn’t discard the buff on weapon swap lol

[lethal swan]

do you have to poke them first with it

[icy breach]

and it does not; only uncanny allows it

[icy breach]

no; if you apply DOT and then get stacks of uncanny it will work on any dmg you do in the meantime

[lethal swan]

ahhhh

lmao

[icy breach]

and considering that soulblaze sticks for a very long time you can apply then stack uncanny & wither them down; its still worse than trauma if you consider terrain & enemy density; trauma will save you & your team due to stagger; purgatus wont

[lethal swan]

yeah

so you set people on fire then poke them

trauma is hilarious

[icy breach]

same for smite but that won't kill carapace unless you use worse scriers gaze version with penetration of the soul

[lethal swan]

For the trauma staff build, do you just take off ER for Quietude

if you wanted Quietude

[icy breach]

lemme check what i use

[tulip kettle]

is this for blazing trauma?

i would say drop warp ghost

for quietitude

you dont need it

and ER is really good

[lethal swan]

yeah blazing trauma build

[tulip kettle]

its less good once you get used to 1 ticking but if you really wnat to spam blasts ER is good

[lethal swan]

ahhhh

warp ghost, didn't evne think about that

[tulip kettle]

otherwise its exactly what i run, no warp ghost and with quietitude

[icy breach]

this is rending trauma mind you; i haven't used it in ages tho so i might change stuff once i finally grab it & test it... eventually

[lethal swan]

ty sir

[lethal swan]

That makes sense, I'll run that then

[lethal swan]

What's 1 ticking?

can't wait to give it a shot, should really help me not die instantly lol

[tulip kettle]

this is a video of it with inferno

but its the same idea with trauma

[strong gulch]

@quiet inlet
--lua-heap-mb-size 2048

[tulip kettle]

you quell for one tick

[lethal swan]

ahhhh

ok

[tulip kettle]

then charge to just below 97%

[marble crater]

My beloved Warp Ghost

[tulip kettle]

then release the cast

[lethal swan]

gotcha

[tulip kettle]

and you wont explode

[lethal swan]

lmao

[merry meteor]

Is Penetration of the Soul a useful talent for boosting DoT damage via soulblaze, and in general? I saw an opinion it's not really, due to psyker's warp attacks already having a lot of rending, so it's just discarded, or stacks inefficiently, something along those lines

[verbal thistle]

its a small % with a inconsistent uptime, and yeah psyker already has high adms

its not a good talent

[merry meteor]

I see, thanks

[strong gulch]

@worthy moss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1350220757657059469/Soulblaze_Yummy.gif

Fry is dom this time

[stray dock]

Ok so in warhammer lore, what levels are the darktide psykers?

As in the classification system.

[verbal thistle]

emperor level

[stray dock]

is it accurate to say they're on the level of primaris psykers or less?

[candid temple]

weaker, since less training, but I think potentially if we got training, we could be great and terrible.

[ripe obsidian]

That's my point. Uncanny needs to affect only melee damage

[candid temple]

I'd want them to fix that, but that'd probably nerf full bore a little too

buffs should only apply to the weapons they're on

[tulip kettle]

net skissue

dog skissue

[strong gulch]

😭

[zinc phoenix]

The mid 20s community is so odd

I ran into a martyrdom psyker

He was full smite gaming with 5 wounds but apparently not crystalline will because he just fell over after overloading

He also had a long intro monologue I wish I saved about he was gonna cc like hurricane katrina

Which… he failed to do

Since I don’t really care about outcomes anymore in havoc it’s pretty funny

[icy breach]

AY @tulip kettle I've found it; pox gas on 40 with no tox bombers
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16624604718683372706/9E9F75B3C9E25FECA815652E38A97A87D705220F/

[weary crane]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oI-iQf1uBCQ

[stray dock]

perfect. thanks

[zinc phoenix]

I’m now tempted to put on all those wound curios ive gotten from the emprah and ruin someone’s mood

[weary crane]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cdmK7Wl27cA
Absolute chad

[buoyant maple]

zeta lvl roughly

[honest moon]

Hello. Is animation cancelling necessary to make a good use of Voidblast staff? I am quite new to Darktide, I play psyker only so far, 30-40 havoc range, mostly played with Inferno and Electrokinetic staff. I want to expand my arsenal by new staves

[hearty wolf]

Depends what kind of animation cancelling you mean.

Generally speaking, I wouldn't say it's necessary but it becomes increasingly more important if you're running it into modifiers that hard cancel void staff

I.e anything where enemies become stagger immune.

[honest moon]

I tried to copy builds from the web, for Electrokinetic I made my very own with full crit and shriek, and inferno I took from Tanner's video I believe? Either way, I saw Rat's gameplay and his guide, he mentions about animation cancelling a lot so it seems like the staff has high entry

I just wanted to have something extra in case I've already have inferno staff in team and a plasma veteran so my electrokinetic isn't as useful

[prime elk]

oh god tanner

[honest moon]

Is that build wrong? It's the very first I got while searching in web, however the more I play the more I understand the Darktide mechanics so I often alter talents that I consider needless for my gameplay

[prime elk]

check the pins for builds

tanner's wrong half the time

[honest moon]

Oh nice. Thank you

[prime elk]

and he's notoriously bad at psyker

[hearty wolf]

It's admirable to do that but I would also highly suggest learning by our default builds are in fact default

Some talents have so much value and you don't understand why until you see them used in a certain way

Psyker in particular talents which you might look at that don't do anything i.e wildfire, but are actually really strong

[royal totem]

I dont follow sus builds

[honest moon]

I just wanted to have some kind of starting point, so I searched for builds in the internet

[hearty wolf]

Yepyep

[royal totem]

Which is why i dont follow tanner

[eager knoll]

what is tanner

[royal totem]

I only follow nonsus ones.

Like Mr. E

[honest moon]

Is wildfire a strong talent? In my experience it's quite weak, I got rid of it in my Electrokinetic build

[hearty wolf]

For inferno staff, it's pretty damn solid

It's weaker when you have a lot less soul blaze

[honest moon]

Oh that's interesting. Thank you. I mean my Electrokinetic build is like 50% staff dmg and 50% Soulblaze

[acoustic jacinth]

For any solid source of sb (literally just managing shriek well) wildfire is good

[strong gulch]

Wildfire is good with a lot of soulblaze.

Wildfire is bad with little soulblaze.

[honest moon]

I see. I use a lot of soulblaze on both on my builds so I will reconsider wildfire

[royal totem]

Thanks for games earlier @strong gulch

[honest moon]

How can I show my build here?

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah

[prime elk]

dupe it on gameslantern and just screenshot

you can post an imgur link or something

[acoustic jacinth]

Well, you can just screenshot your talent tree, but gameslantern is best since it packs everything into a neat page

[strong gulch]

But what wildfire does best is spread, extend range, precook, and act as a catalyst when paired with PC and KF.

[strong gulch]

Ye thanks for games.

[hearty wolf]

I'm so mad

I woke up at 1am to eat a bowl of cereal

[strong gulch]

NO. Wildfire is actually best for stealing SB from other psykers.

[hearty wolf]

And I'm out of Cheerios

[royal totem]

Got to see me fail clutches. Twice

[hearty wolf]

Guess I go for Cocopops

[honest moon]

I will precisely present it on gameslantern is that ok?

[graceful arch]

How are the games fellow crazies

Yes

[acoustic jacinth]

Don't have to care that much for it dw

As long as we can see

[acoustic jacinth]

My eastern europian mind is blown

What is this cocopop

[graceful arch]

There is little you can do in the skill tree to make psyker bad as long as basic build structure is present

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah

[honest moon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a04cb93c-686e-41d7-916c-830afcd15b8a/shauna-swift-bow?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[acoustic jacinth]

Nice, let's see

[hearty wolf]

Like the best cereal ever

And and

When you're almost finished

Cos it's chocolate

It makes the milk chocolate milk

[honest moon]

(I have flak armoured instead of elites on the staff, fixing it)

[hearty wolf]

Huh

Why are we putting elites on a staff

[graceful arch]

I would change penetrating soul for warp ghost other than that looks good, a lot of people don't like battlemed but it has niche use cases.

[acoustic jacinth]

Solid. I always loved this, i pick the bowl up and it's chugging time.

[graceful arch]

I think flak/unyielding are probs your best bet on m1 ek.

[honest moon]

I tried to play with warp ghost, it's a really nice talent but I always had the feeling that if I am dead then I am dead and warp ghost doesn't save me hah

I either take 0 dmg or I get one-shoted

[acoustic jacinth]

Hm

[graceful arch]

Don't really get one shot much on psyker.

Sure eat 2 pox bursters or an overhead you are dead

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah. Well, in any case if you don't like it, i'd swap pots for wildfire honestly

But one shots are very rare

Haven't seen that in a while

[honest moon]

Penetration of the soul for wildfire ?

[graceful arch]

I'm a JaD user so I'm weird when it comes to my builds

[graceful arch]

That or warp ghost or jad

[honest moon]

I'll try that

[graceful arch]

Jad would actually prevent one shots if that really is a issue

But you risk blowing yourself up

[royal totem]

I want to play with nolife one day. Even though im bad

[hearty wolf]

On EK?

I wouldn't

I'd rather ER there

[honest moon]

Just a dream is a very powerful talent. The only problem I had is the fact I exploded so many times because of it. But it's a skill issue I assume

[acoustic jacinth]

Wildfire will do much more for you dmg wise due to the existence of shriek in this build, pots looks good on paper but is not applicable to a lot. Just a dream is a nice talent but you gotta test it out first, to get used to it

Yeah i don't run JaD personally

[graceful arch]

Find er fucks with muscle memory too much

[hearty wolf]

I think some suspicious things are being recommended here

hold on

[honest moon]

I used Penetration of the Soul because I thought it helps me against crushers and bulwarks

[acoustic jacinth]

I have a very tight edging peril window and i do not like it messed with

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch idk what happned with psyker rework but surely with EK you aren't taking WF and POTS over ER

[honest moon]

Would you expand what WF and ER means ?

[acoustic jacinth]

Empyric resolve

[hearty wolf]

ER was mandatory before because it was against pots but surely you still take it if you have a spare point because the peril gen is insane on EK

[graceful arch]

Wild fire and empyric resolve

[strong gulch]

POTS is a nearly a never take

[hearty wolf]

In pins there is a list of abbreviations :>

[honest moon]

Empyric resolve. Isn't that a suicide ?

[strong gulch]

no

[graceful arch]

No that is crystaline will.

[hearty wolf]

The toughness replishment might seem scary but

That -peril gen is super strong

[honest moon]

So penetration of the soul I have to replace for either warp ghost, wildfire or empyric resolve

[hearty wolf]

Means more staff. More staff means more kills. More kills is more toughness

[honest moon]

Frankly I think wildfire seems to be most fitting to me

[graceful arch]

I mostly run it for the stam.

The toughness gen on warp ghost is a minor boon in my book.

[hearty wolf]

I would never run warp ghost because I don't see how you'd need it

[acoustic jacinth]

I personally play EK a lot and i am VERY fine with the 10% peril reduction node by itself in all honesty. I've found a sweet spot which warp channeling helps with, so 🤷‍♂️

[hearty wolf]

Maybe in a melee centric build

But you don't need stam on psyker

[acoustic jacinth]

ER is nice but i wouldn't place it so high

[honest moon]

My one bolt costs around 4% peril

Currently

[graceful arch]

Revives, and sprinting.

[honest moon]

What about my choices on the curios?

[hearty wolf]

And the passive quelling doesn't exist because you'll be active quelling or generating peril so you can't passive quell anyway

[graceful arch]

I know you can just hold staff for extra stamm but it's not enough a lot of times I've found

[hearty wolf]

Revives sure but sprinting you have infinite stam on psyker if you're timing your slides

[honest moon]

And how viable is electrokinetic on Havoc 30+? I often am in pair with inferno users

But my role is different

I always look for distant targets

[strong gulch]

ER IS meta in havoc but also for EK and VB in general because they generate so much peril. You should be generating enough toughness, especially with souldrinker being moved, that the toughness gen penalty shouldn't really matter. Plus there are more TDR and DR talents AND warp ghost negates most of the down sides to ER.

[hearty wolf]

I think there's more we need to talk about here

[hearty wolf]

Is warp ghost actually meta?

Like looking at that build

No quietude feels crazy to me

Holy fuck they made quietude generate AND quell?

I noticed you didn't run it in our games tho

Or you weren't at any peril - i noticed when you were alive with someone else ur toughness but stagnant

[strong gulch]

EK in suffers demonstrably in havoc vs auric. HP increases and modifiers that greatly reduce ranged damage plus the much higher density.

EK LMB spam can do ok.

[strong gulch]

It's nice but I don't have the points and I'm used to not running it.

[hearty wolf]

Interesting

We also need to talk about soulblaze stealing here tbh

[honest moon]

It feels to me the higher the havoc is the more soulblaze is doing vs regular staff damage

And my role is just a plasma gun veteran but a psyker without plasma gun

[viscid matrix]

Psyker plasma gun is effectively void staff

[honest moon]

That's why I wanted to give a try to voidblast in case there's already an inferno psyker in my team

[hearty wolf]

The issue with EK and inferno is EK can "steal" soulblaze from the inferno

[honest moon]

Voidstrike? I love that staff but I cannot stand the non-existent mobility

[hearty wolf]

Inferno runs blaze away which makes their soulblaze do more damage

Since EK has a longer max range than inferno, you end up starting soulblaze on targets before they get into infernos range

[honest moon]

Aye. That's why I wanted voidblast. But I saw Rat (I believe) guide and they said animation cancelling is crucial playing that staff

[hearty wolf]

Rat is a different creature

[strong gulch]

More or less yes. Many don't take KD now and go warp ghost. On the way to that talent and the talent itself gives +3 stam, helps you stay at higher peril, and negates the bad part of ER. That extra stam gives survivability while allowing more toughness or HP curios if you previously used +3 stam curio.

[hearty wolf]

You need to watch how he plays to understand

Why animation cancelling is necessary for him

[honest moon]

I saw the video yeah. Was mesmerizing

[hearty wolf]

I just looked at what they did to warp expenditure, holy hell

[acoustic jacinth]

Saw this fresh upload not so long ago. I have nearly the same copy paste build and play/behave the same way with EK. An example of no peril reduction
https://youtu.be/XkI5nby_1Dk?si=69oC7UHuAierFVqs

[strong gulch]

It isn't. It's crucial for rat's play style. Not the general play style.

[acoustic jacinth]

This is not to downtalk ER by any means, i'm glad it got to be what it is now

But honestly i always find myself at one -10% peril node

[hearty wolf]

@dull scroll hai

[acoustic jacinth]

There they are :D

[honest moon]

Oh they're using kinetic deflection

[acoustic jacinth]

They have deflector on their force sword

It's a good combo that provides easy on demand protection

Anyhow, love this build personally

[honest moon]

Super interesting. I will consider that

I used dueling sword because I felt helpless against crushers

[hearty wolf]

In some sense

"They aren't your problem"

Also

Deimos absolutely rapes crushers

[honest moon]

Yeah but in pug havoc there's such a clown fiesta always

[acoustic jacinth]

Deimos is very good

[wraith sphinx]

Knock crushers on their asses with voidblast

[honest moon]

Deimos ?

[wraith sphinx]

Its my fave activity

[hearty wolf]

One of the Blaze Force Sword marks

[acoustic jacinth]

Deimos force sword, it has a heavy thrust which knocks back crushers on hit

[hearty wolf]

You have Illisi, Obsurus and Deimos

[acoustic jacinth]

They literally fall on their ass

[hearty wolf]

Obscurus is also usable

[honest moon]

Ohh the more you know

[deft stump]

L1 H2 is funni.

[acoustic jacinth]

So strong.

[honest moon]

Won't my mobility suffer much though ?

[wraith sphinx]

No

[acoustic jacinth]

Nah

[hearty wolf]

Deimos is fast af

[wraith sphinx]

You know how to dodge slide right?

Just do that if in a pinch

[honest moon]

Aye. I had no problem picking Darktide as I've over 2k hours in vermintide2 so all the muscle memory is there. There was no slides in vt2 but I picked up that trick rapidly

[wraith sphinx]

I was told vt is much harder than dt so you should be dominating dt pretty quickly

[honest moon]

VT is less forgiving

1 mistake and it's usually over

Darktide is more about quantity of enemies, whereas VT is more about quality

[acoustic jacinth]

The amount of BS you can pull in darktide will seldom happen to that extent in VT too tbh

[deft stump]

VT is everything is a crusher.

[hearty wolf]

It depends when you played VT tbh

VT recently is a joke

The power creep is so insane

[honest moon]

Oh VT2 was a joke upon the release of sister of the thorn

Now it's got somehow balanced but yeah some careers are totally broken

Like Witch Hunter on deathwish+ is necessary

[wraith sphinx]

I've never played vt myself and I'm hesitant to get into such old games

[deft stump]

Played before all the pay2win DLC classes.

[hearty wolf]

It definitely has some clunkiness to it

[honest moon]

VT2 is awesome, it doesn't feel "old" whatsoever. Surprisingly fatshark takes a good care of the game and graphics are great

However it is less "fluid" than Darktide is

[hearty wolf]

I'd disagree with it feeling old - definitely feels dated to me

[honest moon]

In Darktide it feels like you have a complete control over your character

You're not stuck in animations etc.

[hearty wolf]

But I guess it's how you compare it

i.e no sprint in Vermintide

[wraith sphinx]

I'm more specifically concerned about the game's community becoming ossified, if a mp/live service game gets little to no new players the existing community slowly becomes insular and gatekeepy

[honest moon]

That's right, however if I die in cataclysm I do not feel tilted whereas in DT it's other way around

I have no clue why it happens

[tulip kettle]

@hearty wolf you want to join for 40?

[honest moon]

Maybe because I just simply assume that I will perish during VT2 mission

[strong gulch]

@tulip kettle you got team going?

[tulip kettle]

some asshole from here joined me

🙂

welcome to join in too

[honest moon]

Good luck!

[hearty wolf]

Sure.

[hearty wolf]

I know exactly what you mean.

I think it's easier to identify in darktide what went wrong but at the same time

It also feels like it's more your fault in Vermintide if you die

Rather than you got trapped though 43 crushers and you didn't hear the trapper because the games audio is shit

I'd also say the map structure in Vermintide is much, much, much better than darktide imo

[honest moon]

I think also Darktide always gives you room to prevail. Whereas in Vermintide2 you can meet a situation that is just a complete nonsense. Like a patrol spawn on top of you + 2 blighstormers in a closed area, you can't do anything against the RNG

[hearty wolf]

You haven't had a havoc 40 where 6 bosses spawn in the starting room yet, have you 😭

[honest moon]

Oh I haven't yet but in one of my havocs I had a Ogryn with a pixaxe I believe? That deleted bosses like it was just another day in the office

I still gotta learn so much about darktide, builds and team compositions

[hearty wolf]

Ya it'll come with time

[honest moon]

I usually just sit there and furnace heretics with inferno or kill specials with electrokinetics, it's my comfort zone but eventually I must discover other classes

Just wanted to time that +40 havoc first

[dull scroll]

Glad you like it 😌

[honest moon]

The biggest success for me is so far the fact that you did not completely roast my build

[dull scroll]

The two force swords, obscurus and deimos, also destroy crushers. One force push stuns them and two knocks crushers straight to the ground. Deimos' heavy2 also straight up knocks them down if you poke crushers in the head

[honest moon]

Yup. I am sold, I already started to level up mastery on that thing

[dull scroll]

better than ds vs crushers tbh, but slower in terms of movement which is the draw back 😒

[honest moon]

Believe me or not but in the beginning I played with the knife +2 stamina and +15 sprint efficiency because I felt so crippled xd

But yeah I'll trade that for murdering crushers

[royal totem]

Damn.

Thats a lot of mobility

[eager knoll]

😍😍

i get put in servers full of players who can't stop leaving

so i leave right at the end when everyone is dead

and it continues to put me in servers with people who clearly leave matches early as a habit

[candid temple]

karma for leaving.

wait for the loss screen like a man

[eager knoll]

karma for leaving when everyone else already left

i think i will

also leave

[rain wren]

Tis the way of darktide got to carry everyone

Don't worry you'll get used to being able to solo

[strong gulch]

@tulip kettle Did you say 3 or 4 am for you?

[tulip kettle]

is 3 am here

but i dont keep normal hours really 😄

i need to do chores for a bit

[strong gulch]

Water your plants (he said with thristy plants)

[tulip kettle]

water YOUR plants!

[strong gulch]

😭

[potent echo]

Nnnhhhggg I'm a thirsty little flower

[patent mango]

what if the new class was a desk plant

they had to delay it because uhhh the guy that waters it got hit by a meteor

[royal totem]

alright i'm on @hazy birch

[royal totem]

they overwatered it and it died

[icy breach]

[graceful arch]

As If I'm good at game. That's a good joke

[hazy birch]

gimme 2 min

[graceful arch]

Dom played any more vt2 recently

[icy breach]

AY don't downgrade yourself TOO much ;p

[royal totem]

better than me 😄

[graceful arch]

Still have lots to improve on.

[icy breach]

Learning never ends

[graceful arch]

I can hold my own but I can't carry a 40 yet.

It's rough

[royal totem]

i can't carry a damnation 😄

[strong gulch]

The floor can hold me... oh wait no it can't. I fell through the map.

[graceful arch]

The amount of times I've played like a god for 10 min straight just to dodge of the side of the map at the worst moment

[graceful arch]

What I consider like a god is probably an off day for ainz.

[royal totem]

lmao

[long wharf]

FartShack really out-did themselves

donked up their own PR an hour before release

after weeks of waiting

I smell "stuff wasn't actually ready to be shown"

[zinc phoenix]

Something must have been deeply hosed

Surely it was just a cinematic trailer not actual gameplay

[long wharf]

it might have been

could also be a case of FartShack waiting to hear back from GW for approval on their finalized design, assuming it would be good

and GW came back with "nope"

way too little information to do anything but speculate

[nocturne wasp]

100% decided FUCKING VETERAN'S DAY was stealing their thunder and needed to be pushed back

[long wharf]

just makes them look incredibly incompetent

[weary idol]

please they've done plenty of other things that make them look more incompetent

gestures vaguely at the in-game descriptions

[long wharf]

no, that isn't more incompetent

the real problem is that we can't precisely evaluate just how incompetent FartShack was to have to cancel the announcement an hour from release

[royal totem]

i'm blaming GW either way

[mighty shuttle]

Silly question, is brainburst really used at higher levels/auric play? I notice it isn't very common on psykers

[verbal thistle]

yes it is

[rain wren]

It is highly effective. I believe the reason why you don't see it is because of the speed

[weary idol]

It's the "I am not using my blitz" blitz

Because Kinetic Resonance is automatic

[floral wedge]

The gunner you didn't realize existed, died before you could notice it

[floral wedge]

Best description I've seen

[weary idol]

Staff builds (the most common ones) do not benefit from Smite or Assail at all

So you use Brain Burst which you also rarely ever use

But Kinetic Resonance is automatic

And pretty solid

[royal totem]

flayer

[marsh badger]

EP-BB with double shield wall and emperors guidance mod is pretty fun

[weary idol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946661851322789908/1009316500856918066/image0.gif

[mighty shuttle]

Probably wrong choice for me to use the enhanced blitz thing

As a force greatsword psyker, I'm just trying to see if I can weave in using enhanced brainbursts

But assail might do same thing but better, but brainburst kinetic thing auto hit is useful for picking off stray elites with the warp slice

[verbal thistle]

its never wrong to do that

[rain wren]

Um depends what you doing. Assail good for huge groups of range enemies but brain burst good for single target

[verbal thistle]

Empower Pisonic brain burst is extremly strong

[mighty shuttle]

Valid, I just am not sure if it's redundant if I'm using greatsword and voidstaff and that assail would be better option

Or just choose diff keystone

[verbal thistle]

assail is for horde clear, great sword does that already

[weary idol]

assail is also elite/specialist clear

just can't kill carapace

[rain wren]

Yeah I would go for brain burst might run into a sniper or something you want dead

[lunar beacon]

How the hell do you do the Cliffhanger penance? In the entirety of this game since it came out, I've still only ever gotten apparently 5. But never 7

[weary idol]

You keep trying :)

And eventually you will have done nthing different

But it will work this time

[rain wren]

The screech on a ledge

[royal totem]

or trauma on a ledge etc

[weary idol]

Anyways don't use screech or trauma

use smite

Smite's knockdown throws enemies in the direction you're facing

[rain wren]

Wait which one was cliffhanger

Pushing them off a ledge?

[weary idol]

So drag a horde onto one of any number of tiny bridges on any number of maps

[lunar beacon]

Kill 7 enemies within 2 seconds by knocking them off a ledge

[weary idol]

Smite the horde

Look 90 degrees right or left

Let go

ezpz

BACK IN MY DAY

We HAD to use shriek for it

And we LIKED IT

[rain wren]

Lol

The old numbers for builds?

[lunar beacon]

BACK IN MY DAY shriek never worked 😄

[potent echo]

I think I ran like 121111

Forgor which one was ascendant blaze

[rain wren]

Lol too long for me to remember

[potent echo]

Might be 2 for the last one

[mighty shuttle]

I see, yeah I'm a fan of greatsword, just wasn't sure what staff to pair it with

Or blitz, I stuck with brainburst because seemed like a solid coverage but I realize I'm not really depleting my enhanced blitz that often which might be just a playstyle/tempo issue that I need to be more conscious of weaving it in

[proper spoke]

Brain burst is one of those skills that is rarely used but nice in certain situations. For example if you're using a staff and you need to take out a sniper far away.

It's also amazing if you do Mortis Trials and you get the ability that lets you head pop 10 enemies near the target of your brain burst

To be honest, I would usually make sure one of my teammates has a good weapon for taking out ranged targets so I can use Assail

And just use BB for Mortis Trials and specific penances

[mighty shuttle]

Aye I admit historically I always lean into just having full kit of tools for any given situation

[strong gulch]

Check the 5th pin. There's cliffhanger tips there.

[upbeat kestrel]

@weary idol i finally tried zarona shotty. Damn its good.

[weary idol]

correct

[upbeat kestrel]

It wont surpass exaction shotties or agrip

Vut its a strong contender to replacing accatran

[plucky flax]

Don't especially since you start in dt combat first. Vt2 is going to be way too hard to play.

[tulip kettle]

VT2 combat is very different from DT in my experience going from DT to VT after. Much less focussed on mobility and much more on blocking and pushing

as an example, i cant imagine taking block cost reduction in DT beyond as a bonus from deflector, in VT2 its core to pretty much every build

[celest valve]

i think pushing is incredibly undervalued tho

[upbeat kestrel]

When playing mk7 tac axe i get flash backs from elf axe

Push attacks being hordeclear

[celest valve]

like... pushdash can make you almost invincible to melee

[wind spruce]

On psyker?

I've been messing around with the combat shotties today and can't decide which I like more yet

[cosmic sigil]

this is maybe why every excellent zealot player I know is a former vt player and use a taxe lmao

[cosmic sigil]

I played vt, skipped vt2 and then dt... is the melee different between vt and vt2?

[upbeat kestrel]

On arby. On psyker angrippina will be best imo

[plucky flax]

I never played vt1 actually. Only vt2 then dt

[upbeat kestrel]

I was warriornpriest and huntsman mains

[wind spruce]

Why so?

[upbeat kestrel]

Best precision modifier

Which scales nicely wirh scriers

[cosmic sigil]

sg + manstopper is fun

[upbeat kestrel]

Yes

[cosmic sigil]

when things align, you got a ray beam of death

[upbeat kestrel]

I would be happy if fatshark gave us more hairstyles

[cosmic sigil]

never played with you!

[upbeat kestrel]

I know

[cosmic sigil]

i would be if GW decided that we could have more hairstyles

[upbeat kestrel]

But inplayed every class

But sienna only unchained

And did ay sott

If they want to add sob they can take inspiration from grail knight and esrrior priest

[cosmic sigil]

They will probably introduce a new gimmick with the next class

[upbeat kestrel]

Yeah

[cosmic sigil]

and maybe further refine some existing mechanics

with arbites we got stagger and dog

[quartz barn]

Dual wield pistols seems the most likely

Or melee + gun like saltzpyre

[cosmic sigil]

since they introduced shield and pistol yeah that could be a thing

like a shot on the special

[quartz barn]

Too bad arbi didnt get the big autogun tho

[upbeat kestrel]

Yeah lmg would be fun

But how would it would be different drom brauto

Aside from being a better brauto

[wind spruce]

@cosmic sigil aswell, I noticed today that the shotguns can consume a full charge of true aim AND stack it back up in the same shot

Super weird interaction, but profitable

[solid pond]

yeah pushing does alot more in VT too

sends things flying

[rain wren]

Well they are little rats

[solid pond]

[cosmic sigil]

Do you think that's because a shot is made of multiple pellets?

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-face-chad-shaking-head-no-boeshi-gif-27600815

[languid pine]

vt1's melee is considerably more slower than vt2

i would say vt2 is the best out of the tide triology since it captures the methodical aspect of vt1 while being more complex micro-wise than dt

dont ask me how they managed to dumb down their melee system for darktide im genuinely baffled aswell

the grinding is still horrible as all tide games are, but the rolling for properties doesnt really matter until you do cataclysm

which is the highest official difficulty

but in general, if you've played vt OR dt still expect to get your ass kicked for awhile in vt2

especially if you started from dt first, since there's thousands of bad habits that you will carry over between games

[rain wren]

Mhm vermontide 2 was way harder than darktide

[radiant frigate]

vt2 is a lot less forgiving

big reason being toughness regenerates outside of combat and temp health decays

[rain wren]

Oh yes I remember but I think there was only hp no toughness. Some classes could heal it

Wait no instead of hp healing it was called temporary hp

That was your toughness the temporary hp

But it was temporary like it says lol

That's where the zealot had a good part too putting a shield up of temporary hp I think or some shield I don't remember

Lol but your hp stayed where it was unless you used healing kit or potions

[radiant frigate]

or someone brought team regen

[rain wren]

Oh yeah that too

[radiant frigate]

or you brought nat bond (but why nat bond zealot)

[rain wren]

Zealot was a very important class back then

I think all classes in darktide brings something to survive easier now

[bitter escarp]

DT gives you far too many tools in melee for an easy transition to VT2

and it's kinda easy to just brute force your way through things

[dusk wren]

also almost every weapon makes you less agile than in dt

[solid pond]

Doesn't help that you don't have sprint or sliding

Just overall less mobile

[wind spruce]

Could be, but code shenanigans are above my pay grade

[radiant frigate]

some weapons have movetech

some of which includes push attacks

which sounds like spending stamina to move faster

which sounds like sprint to me

with extra steps but still

[cosmic sigil]

no sliding???

[radiant frigate]

no sliding but any weapon can block arrows

[dusk wren]

you have to face the right direction tho, no?

[rain wren]

Oh yeah I remember that

[radiant frigate]

Yes

has to be inner block arc

[icy breach]

Correction; DT has better hitbox management and to major extend better enemy reactiveness to players in terms of animation; whoever played V2 and DT will immediately notice that in DT there is no such thing as being hit while the enemy is 3m away from you and not due to lag mind you but how hitbox slot system was implemented there; DT has it more refined

[solid pond]

yeah going between the two

DT you notice it

[icy breach]

If V2 had DT treatment in terms of hitboxes it would be MUCH better than it is

But they’ll never do it

[plucky flax]

Vt2 melee is slightly better but dt is more weighty and slower and I prefer it

Slayer bardin spamming left click with dual axes be like

Hammer on dwarf was so good I dunno how they butchered it here on zealot

[candid temple]

You mean crusher?
It hasn't gotten any love so just powercrept

[plucky flax]

No the thunder hammer.

In vt2 on bardin hammer can do it all.

[icy breach]

Dont forget the WP & zealots 2h hammer

[plucky flax]

Horde clear with heavy spam.

[icy breach]

That was peak

[plucky flax]

Single target light spam.

[candid temple]

Oh, thammer is just weird, it's not like twohanded hammer at all

[plucky flax]

Especially on slayer I used to go 2h hammer and 2h axe.

[candid temple]

Idk why they did it like that

[plucky flax]

Thunder hammer heavy spam horde clear is meh and light spam is super ass against armoured.

[candid temple]

Yes

[plucky flax]

Gotta use the specials and that's not the fastest either.

So I just can't play it.

[candid temple]

The biggest dislike for me, was that thammer doesnt have enough cleave

Like 2h hammer knocks everything around

Thammer bonks like a few guys and stops

[plucky flax]

Aye

I respect ppl who play thunder hammer.

It's too hard.

[candid temple]

It just isn't 2h hammer, it is a carapace deleting singletarget monster with the special.

But it has mid everything else.

While RB has much better horde and similar carapace clear while powered.
and monster damage still ok, especially shroudfield.

[plucky flax]

I'm also too noob to play zealot this season.

Give it some new weapon.

Give zealot arby shock maul.

[summer prairie]

it needs fgs

[candid temple]

Buff the old ones

[candid temple]

Fgs, asm and psword as universals please.

For ogryn too

[plucky flax]

I think zealot is a bit sad atm for havoc. Book support and not do much. Or if you wanna play chastise damage you gotta be really good (95% of pugs playing chastise or stealth are useless).

Relic sword is really good horde clear but imo with the buff to elites it just run out of energy before able to kill the massive elites blob.

So ds4 is just better for that.

[candid temple]

Yes, relic sword power crept a bit

Just play meleeker or meleevet or arbi

[wraith sphinx]

qp mission going well until the vet shot a poxburster I was shoving

yup classic

[plucky flax]

I still take book zealot on my team for free damage book buff but I don't expect them to do too much damage. As for me I only play vet/arby/psyker atm.

If I see zealot taking tdr book I don't take them.

[obtuse dome]

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-6770984209275368356

[wraith sphinx]

they instantly folded without me

[rigid sky]

what is the point of tdr chorus tbh

imo best chorus is without either side modifier

but if you're gonna use one, use damage

[plucky flax]

Use damage for sure and push the boss against a wall so team can burst it down.

[candid temple]

there is none

[rotund dagger]

and pickaxe

[candid temple]

I miss Any Weapon mod.

[hearty wolf]

Tdr book with nuncio and shout

Makes it so you have infinite gold toughness

Surely using three ultimates for the same thing is worth it

[languid pine]

id say v2 is passively dodging and darktide is more reactive dodging due to the difference in animation speed and hitbox, im pretty sure v2 stormvermin running attack is a fucking horziontal rectangle than what it implies

[quartz barn]

You also dodge passively in dt

[languid pine]

one thing I vastly prefer of v2 over dt stemming from the weird ass hitbox is that you have no way of easily disengaging from combat

[languid pine]

afking as psyker with ee

[quartz barn]

You dont ignore the horde as you push the gunner line in the back?

[languid pine]

true sigmas push alone into everything and abandon the team

[quartz barn]

I almost always crabwalk with whatever i run

[deft stump]

You mean bully the heck out of a boss in a corner.

[quartz barn]

Only time i dodge on reaction is vs trappers and spawn

And poggy smash

[deft stump]

While ignoring pewpews, maybe.

[quartz barn]

I mean thatd what ee is for

Still need to dodge groaners however

[candid temple]

what does the tdr node have to do with gold toughness?

gold toughness is in base book node

[icy breach]

You give your team and yourself better survivability; can take more shots/hits and it works everytime
Dmg chorus requires more cooperation from your team and if you’re gonna use chorus to save yourself or others they will be less tanky
Survivability > offence

[rigid sky]

Feels like piss is enougj

[icy breach]

It was before they nerfed the amount of it gained & stacked; don’t forget also that if your teammates are away from you and won’t receive all pulses the low amount of it won’t really help them much but tdr will still remain the same

[rigid sky]

Thought your team needs 5 pulses to get the bonus effect? Or is it given after pulse 7 regardless?

[icy breach]

Its given after; even if you receive just 1 pulse if it was the last one you get tdr too and thats 40%; same for dmg one

[icy breach]

Also the tdr/dmg is given after 5th pulse
Can’t remember if at 5th too but can easily be checked at psykanium

[wind spruce]

So how does one require more cooperation than the other? Your team will already be doing damage, no cooperation needed. Might need to convince them to take damage though

[icy breach]

Its safer; prevents chip dmg more & dmg againts ranged units & other dmg ramping effects like gas/fire

[icy breach]

TDR one can be used at any given time and it will still provide value; dmg chorus will not always do

[wind spruce]

+30% damage will always help

[quartz barn]

Ngl main benefits of golden toughness are the poxburster resist and just having more toughness vs gunners / being able to take a couple melees in a row without taking dmg

But you can get that without tdr