psyker-class

[prime elk]

Anyways when’s the next assail buff

[wind spruce]

after they buff scriers three more times

[ripe obsidian]

I shall issue my challenge forthwith

[weary crane]

Did you see my video lol

[prime elk]

DD being left out to die 😭

[acoustic jacinth]

not sure i know which one you mean 🤔

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah. I don't have the energy or the time to do havoc seriously and climb.

[limpid lily]

i'm plugging this silly perma stun-botting and trash-clearing session with Smite in Havoc 40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eseu1zUcfc

Empowered Psionics Smite is sooo slept on

[tulip kettle]

no it isnt

nobody wants to see this

[limpid lily]

in Havoc lol

[tulip kettle]

?

its not "slept on"

its fuckin ep smite

[weary crane]

@tulip kettle what did I do wrong there, I was stacking uncanny to kill the healers but they didn't die

[tulip kettle]

it looked like not enough burn stacks

but i couldnt tell

its why i said why scriers

you cant overcap the inferno

[limpid lily]

I meant in Havoc, but hey I shoulda elaborated

[tulip kettle]

no like, plenty of people play Ep smite in havoc

and everyone else hates it

running EP smite scriers is the secnd most common havoc psyker build

[limpid lily]

lol, you have to be trippin, then again I play in Hong Kong, and you'd be hardpressed to see a psyker that doesn't use THE BUILD, inferno and bubble with that 6 stacks keystone or whatever

[tulip kettle]

im not "trippin"

and honestly this is not the place to try to promote smite usage

[limpid lily]

I play every day and I've NEVER seen a single scrier psyker lol, VERY RARELY a venting shriek one, but scrier nvm

[tulip kettle]

okay... well idk hat to tell you dude

crutch smyker is very common

and widely disliked

[icy breach]

i digress; i never saw any tbh; its mostly purgatus or sometimes trauma

[limpid lily]

speak for yourself, in other channels ppl post vids sometimes , and tbh watch or not i dont really care, I mostly just upload these for argument's sake

[quartz barn]

dont know if this was for a specific modifier but i had more luck right before the medi

book, taunt and arbi go brr

[tulip kettle]

you literally posted a scoreboard yesterday of smyker

[icy breach]

exacly what is blud stating that EP smite is second most common build used in h40?

[tulip kettle]

this guy plays in hong kong

maybe there you dont see them, i see them literally all the time

[icy breach]

yeah; but thats me; i talk about other ppl in party finder or even here on discord who joined me & my team for a game or two and when they wanted to play psyker is was always purgatus

[tulip kettle]

we were literally talking earlier about how red needs to return

to stop the smyker pandemic

[icy breach]

an exeption does not make a rule boi

[limpid lily]

hell at night I switch to Europe occasionally believe it or not, and still NEVER a single scrier or anything other than purge staff lol, but ofc it's not like I play there all the times.

[tulip kettle]

yes everyone wants to play purg because dmg numbers

[limpid lily]

yeah I seriously wonder how often is his "all the time", but I wait to be stood corrected

[royal totem]

hate to say, in all the havoc matches i've played this season i've only seen 1 smyker

[tulip kettle]

okay im done with this idk what to say to you, ive told you, i have also just said how there was a discussion earlier today about how rampaging needs to return to stop the amount of smykers in havoc atm

[quiet inlet]

I'm convinced that the best smite is shock mine

[tulip kettle]

and nemui, no offence, but youre not exactly a havoc gamer

[icy breach]

Portable smiker

[weary sable]

If only the Impact Grenade wouldn't be so good.

[quartz barn]

poor dom got traumatized

[limpid lily]

shockmine is goat

[icy breach]

[quartz barn]

i can emphasize, trying to carry runs on arbi is ass and at some point you just get tilted beyond belief

same thing applies for high havoc xd

[limpid lily]

bro probably just hates smite with a passion lol

[quartz barn]

i mean

with the smykers ive seen uhhh

[limpid lily]

yeah I mean I can understand why, it REALLY depends ont he player tho lol

[weary sable]

I wonder, why isn't the same said about Purgatus? Functionally, they are very similar. Hold down one button for the entirety of the game and stagger/disable everything.

[quartz barn]

atleast its better than the penetrating flame purg psyker ive seen

[limpid lily]

most of the times...they dont take empowered psionics tho

[quartz barn]

those are the bad ones tho

use smite > go afk

[icy breach]

minus the stagger

[quartz barn]

get overwhelmed by horde

blame team for no dmg

[weary sable]

blame team for not protecting you

can't even dodge a single poxwalker

[icy breach]

thats pretty bad; no wonder they don't achieve much with it

[limpid lily]

purg is cool, but it's mostly leaning on dmg and less CC, lowkey I absolutely dislike it when ppl run purg staff on ROTTEN ARMORS lol

[tulip kettle]

so these are your experiences, but also smykers dont exist

intersting

[quartz barn]

disagree with less cc

you still suppress

[tulip kettle]

and purg staff is great on rot armour

and, hot take

[quartz barn]

less cc than trauma and ek i guess

[tulip kettle]

pen flames on rot armour is actually good

[weary sable]

If smykers dont exist, why are they disliked so much? There has to be a basis for this hate.

[quartz barn]

but not like its not there

[tulip kettle]

your yellow numbers go down

[limpid lily]

crushers dont get surpressed, they just dont care lol, especially rotten armors

[tulip kettle]

your team mates yellow numbers go up

[zinc phoenix]

oh my god theyre in like every auric and lower

[weary sable]

Yup, still garbage tho

[zinc phoenix]

its so rare i see a psyker in a mission who isnt flailing around ineffectually with smite

[icy breach]

the only smyker that posted here was me... and recently also @limpid lily and thats it
maybe its time to wake up from a smyker nightmare you're conjured through your beloved

[tulip kettle]

back to blocking

[weary sable]

I could join in, i got tutored by the best after all.

[zinc phoenix]

also KF sg dd with a bunch of health nodes... very fun in havoc

[icy breach]

You did not unblock me even silly

[zinc phoenix]

did rotted stims with it and my biggest enemy was playing on europe from the US 😂

[weary sable]

Classic.

[zinc phoenix]

i maintain that KF is better than assail given all the crushers

[tulip kettle]

assail is for clearing trash and proccing MM

[zinc phoenix]

like yeah assail can be nice but you arent stacking bupkiss with it when theres carapace everywhere

[limpid lily]

what's KF?

[zinc phoenix]

kinetic flayer

[limpid lily]

ah that one

[icy breach]

kinetic flayer

[zinc phoenix]

brain popping carapace while you swang that thang is always great

[tulip kettle]

but carapace dies in 2 bonks anyway

[limpid lily]

tbh assail did get shafted A BIT with the health increases, but it's still pretty good hordeclear and occasional snipes

[tulip kettle]

its for proccing MM.

[icy breach]

No please bby; but in all seriousness; do come to us & play with us!
We won't play smite

[tulip kettle]

i joined you one time through party finder a long time ago

or dr toilet

i think thats yu

[icy breach]

oh shi; when?

[zinc phoenix]

the number of times ive had to duel out a tidal wave of carapace

esp rotted stims

[icy breach]

Yes thats me

[tulip kettle]

yeah this is true

and why purg is meta

[zinc phoenix]

purg is for nerds who cant play there i said it

[tulip kettle]

purg is just, effective

[modest perch]

[icy breach]

[modest perch]

purg fun tho

set everythinng on fire

[zinc phoenix]

purg is so fucking dull id rather eat a brick than play it ever again

[tulip kettle]

slowly killing 1 crusher at a time when theres 20 of em is just, not fun

[icy breach]

You can't do this to me; i'm dying

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-bravos-gif-24067547

[tulip kettle]

i dont want to play 2 hour games

[icy breach]

use trauma

[weary sable]

To be fair, it was only 1 Hour 34 Minutes, not two hours.

[icy breach]

don't forget it was pox gas and it was slowing things down alot

[weary sable]

Pox Gas with extra Tox Bombers

[icy breach]

on refinery delta too

[tulip kettle]

it was 1.43 and you went slow, i get it.

i am still yet to see evidence of pox gas without tox bombers

meanwhile you can do power matrix, without gas, in sub 30 minutes. i know which game i would rather play

[potent saffron]

My actual reaction to this drama unfolding in here

[tulip kettle]

drama?

usual psyker chat dick swinging

[zinc phoenix]

what drama?

i think purgatus is boring af

does anyone actually care that i called them nerds?

[potent saffron]

Scroll up and roll wisdom check for psychic damage

[tulip kettle]

thats a valid opinion, i find it a lot of fun

[zinc phoenix]

😂

[royal totem]

sorrry rolled a nat 1

[icy breach]

we just saw in party finder pox gas WITHOUT tox bombers

[potent saffron]

Nah just the whole argument over smike and the blocking

[tulip kettle]

so screen cap it and send

[zinc phoenix]

i also genuinely dont see the point in havoc after getting all the stuff for it

[tulip kettle]

papa willy has been blocked for a long time because he was being homophobic

[zinc phoenix]

the modifiers are mostly boring and the party finder remains a source of enormous tedious waiting

[potent saffron]

Time for you to post proof then

[tulip kettle]

?

i dont need to do that

its my choice to block him

[potent saffron]

Accusation like this with zero proof

I'm receiving that psychic damage as we speak

[tulip kettle]

he knows thats why it happened idc what you think

[weary sable]

There you go.

[icy breach]

[potent saffron]

I don't think, I know; I talk with him on the regular

[tulip kettle]

thats sub 20

but fair enough

[weary sable]

I will keep an eye on it, when i see a 40 with just Tox Gas

[icy breach]

STILL THEY EXIST; If you can't take not being 100% right its ok

[tulip kettle]

i just said fair enough

[icy breach]

Very toxic mindset; As a Homophobe i am proud of ya

[zinc phoenix]

this conversation is almost as boring as purgutus

[lone ravine]

Purgatus blinds me too much to be fun

[zinc phoenix]

lol they both agree

[tulip kettle]

thats why super pro purg players crouch and shoot it though your feet

and the proest of all dont do that to intentionally blind you and get all the damage for themselves

[lone ravine]

i mean using it myself is also blinding but yea teammate purging are blinding too

[wind spruce]

Doing the lord's work

[quaint lark]

Why does no one use scrier i use it for smite and can keep smite going for a good 10 mins if needed

[wind spruce]

Because it gets boring very quickly

[limpid lily]

in Havoc? cuz shooty shooty makes pysker cry ig xD, but honestly tho i just started using it today and it's peak

[limpid lily]

honestly fire staff is wayyyyy more boring if anything

I think that aint exactly an uncommon consensus, but who knows

[quaint lark]

I like the power it gives me, I can hold down a horde and kill them to to me it feels amazing

I use mine with empowered psyinocs and it just feels clean

Hell I got the one achivement of killing 120 enemies in less then 10 secs with smyker

[zinc phoenix]

if you find joy and meaning in holding right click while doing literally nothing else then enjoy life

i will personally barrel you off into the abyss if i get a mission with you tho

[quaint lark]

I enjoy simple things

[limpid lily]

smite with empowered psionics have always been pretty on par-ish with inferno tbh (considering other factors), but I never quite considered it with scrier be4 xD, given cuz I always thought scrier was more or less a GUN ability

[quaint lark]

Thats just toxic and reported behavior there

Like why mate?

[zinc phoenix]

because playing with a smytker is the nearest thing to total boredom this planet has ever created. they are widely loathed

[quaint lark]

I thought it was a warp ability the whole time

[limpid lily]

tbh, if only it was THAT simple lol, in Havoc 40, you basically have to focus on dodging everything to keep smiting, and believe me despite stunlocking hordes there are still A LOT of stuff to dodge and maneuver around lol

[quaint lark]

Lol

Hell yea theres things that are still moving and can and will kill you

[zinc phoenix]

smiting in h40 with rotted stims? lol

[quaint lark]

Ive done it

[zinc phoenix]

well i hope you find a nice abyss

i really dont care otherwise

[quaint lark]

Gives hammer zealots something fun to kill

Hammer zealots with smyker is powerful

Good horde clear and boss clear

[limpid lily]

I mean, CC is the name of the game for the most parts vs Rotten Armors...why do you think people bring shock mines and shield and KRAKS for it lol

if anything, empowered smite is wayyy more helpful than inferno staff alone against rotten armor

but most of the times...people dont build for it effectively

[quaint lark]

Yes bc smite can stay up, sure wont stun some but is constant damage plus they act as conduits

[limpid lily]

inferno does jackshit against rotten crushers lol, maybe decent against ragers and sometimes maulers, but...well, crushers

[wind spruce]

Yeah purg is boring but smite is more so imo

[quaint lark]

Crushers can be in a constant stun with smite and thats a load of pressure off everyone when you dont gotta worry about a giant ass club bonking you

[wind spruce]

It's not "decent" against ragers and sometimes maulers... it destroys them

[limpid lily]

ROTTEN ARMORS

[wind spruce]

Purg is broken af

[quaint lark]

It fucking rips them apart lol

Smite does

Maulers and ragers are weak i swear to smite and go down with ease, crushers on the other hand...not so much but cant move and allow someone that can kill them to kill them

[limpid lily]

and believe me or not, empowered smite vs NORMAL maulers and ragers are pretty damn good as well, a bit lower dmg, but it does a good job at ACTUALLY CC-ing them

[quaint lark]

Besides not everyone is playing darktide competitively, some just like to chill and still get the job done

[wind spruce]

im not saying smite isnt strong af. it is.

[quaint lark]

Any time I see them I swear they go down in a blink like they'll be there then dead in the next moment lol

[wind spruce]

its just that a lot of players dont like playing it or playing on a team with it

[limpid lily]

IF ANYTHING, Smite does have a MUCH more impactful feeling using it, cuz purg staff feels like your basically just blowing hot air at them, they die yeah but well, it doesnt feel impactful, you get numb much easier than using smite imo, but thats just me lol

[quaint lark]

I do think people are not building it right though sometimes as ill find another smyker and they are popping or cant keep smite up for long

[limpid lily]

cuz most of the times ppl build like shit for smite lol

which is understandable why

empowered psionics is kinda a must for it

but well, yknow, almost everyone takes the uh...warp charge one lol

[quaint lark]

I have it to where anything that can reduce my cool down for scriers gave i put it there, and get as many kills with smite as I can, and even if I have to quell it takes like 2 secs

I use the 3 charges for empowered

That has always saved me in a pinch like so much

Ill be the last one left and can surive

[marble crater]

Without scrolling up for context I can tell this is about smite, am I correct?

[quaint lark]

Yes

Lol

[wind spruce]

no, thats not why. people dont dislike it because its not doing work. its because it makes the game boring for the player AND their teammates

[limpid lily]

thats basically standard basically

[wind spruce]

(atleast people who know what they're talking about

)

[limpid lily]

I will tell you this, no one EVER complains about a decent smyker basically stunning a clown car of Rotten Armor crushers and giving them room to wiggle lol

[verbal thistle]

no one is a very big term to use here

[limpid lily]

AUrics and Maelstrom to me are...well, pretty darn easy af at this point so I do understand in context of THAT

[verbal thistle]

I just left a havoc yesterday because I had a smite psyker that swapped his loadout at last second and it was brain numbing playing

[wind spruce]

dude half this chat will roast you for exactly that. i dont want melee combat turned off all game

[prime elk]

Honestly the game needs a feature where smiting more than five seconds requires the consent of the rest of the team

[limpid lily]

exaggeration for argument's sake i guess. But this is this and that's that

[verbal thistle]

fair point

but at the end of the day its a video game, people will play to have fun

even if it is smite

I just dont enjoy it so I leave the mission

[quaint lark]

Smite is fun

[prime elk]

Yeah I’m sure some people get a kick out of being a stationary turret

[quaint lark]

Stationary?

[prime elk]

And a lot of people don’t appreciate what smite does to the flow of the game

[limpid lily]

let's be real, your run of the mill havoc runners usually dont care, players in these discord channels are usually kinda outliers I'll say.

[quaint lark]

You have to be constantly moving with smite or your dead

[wind spruce]

wdym i love when the threats are sitting 20m behind the choke

[prime elk]

I’m totally fine with smite being used tactically

[wind spruce]

(/s)

[prime elk]

That’s not how smykers use it tho

They just hold down two buttons the entire game

And then get shanked by a poxxer

Because 0 situational awareness

[wind spruce]

Yeah a nice 5-15s smite when we're actually about to get cooked? brilliant

i like taking it in right side builds that dont need assail for exactly that

[strong gulch]

Pre vet buff, getting a good smite user happened less often than getting a cracked vet.

Getting either always made games very smooth while allowing the team to still play.

[wind spruce]

i can live without flayer, as much as it hurts

[strong gulch]

But man, so many bad smite users and vets.

I flinch when I see them.

[fringe harbor]

is by crack of bone useful on melee psyker or is it better to keep yourself at 100% peril

[verbal thistle]

better to be at 100%

all talents scale with higher peril

[limpid lily]

smykers are a mixed bag I will say, but I think if built and played correctly you can be VERY effective. I think if anything, a good empowered smyker is amazing for ROTTEN ARMORS mostly, cuz you generally get less gunners and rotten armor clowncars can be BS a lot of the times.

[verbal thistle]

only case you take BCoB is with gaze if you want to get max stacks (30)

[strong gulch]

Note that a smite user and a smyker are two different things.

[prime elk]

Smyker is a slur

[limpid lily]

oh lol, I was full Scrier gazing and basically INFINITELY smiting the entire game and well, basically deleted hordes and staggered crushers for team, does that sitll count as a smyker? Then again, only cuz it's Rotten Armors and they basically clown car out of the ass almost the entire time lol

[strong gulch]

One just holds smite the whole game and has negative game sense.

The other understands positioning, timing, and game flow and doesn't cast lightening the entire match.

[limpid lily]

cuz genuinely, empowered smite is goated dmg

[fringe harbor]

vent or scrier for smite spam?

[limpid lily]

scrier

basically infinite

[fringe harbor]

alr, do you still need empyric resolve or nah

[limpid lily]

which one is that?

[fringe harbor]

-40% peril gen

[limpid lily]

no, you're basically gonna be 100% peril at all times anyway

thats basically just a toughness regen penalty

[fringe harbor]

do stim ragers resist smite

[quaint lark]

Yea you want 100% peril

[limpid lily]

probably yeah

blue stims resist basicall everything

[quaint lark]

Ive seen them more so just keep moving but still die, blue stims resist everything so that cant be helped at all

And its not just a smite problem

[quaint lark]

Bottom one is me like I love smite but during calmer moments and no over missing horde ill use my shotgun or greatsword

Over massing

[tulip kettle]

@zealous wing

[limpid lily]

I really depends, in Rotten Armor they basicall have Crushers, Maulers and Ragers clown-car EVERYWHERE at all time, thats gonna be pretty different

[quaint lark]

Yes but then thats ok to have smite up bc its keeping the crushers at bay

[limpid lily]

and no reason not to spare an empowered smite on hordes of poxwalkers and groaners lol

[zealous wing]

its more that smite requires you to stand still and if youre holding everything else, the blue ragers push through and kill you very quickly

[quaint lark]

How does one stand still?

[zealous wing]

well you arent sprinting now are you

[quaint lark]

I have 4 dodges and use them to move me

[limpid lily]

you still gotta dodge back yknow?

[quaint lark]

I dodge to the side but look sideways to move with people all while still smiting

[limpid lily]

yeah sideway dodging to move forward, it aint that complicated

[quaint lark]

Super easy

[zealous wing]

why not just, idk, stop smiting and throw everything to the ground so you can move?

the fact that dodging to move comes to mind first not, release the attack, is concerning for your characters health

[quaint lark]

Bc then things can move, plus by the time ragers that can move get to me they die instantly

[zealous wing]

things stay on the ground a long time

plenty of time to stab or shoot the rager and reactivate smite if you REALLY have to

[quaint lark]

Oh I have 2 19% toughness on psyker with the warp kills give toughness killing small dudes i dont worry

Hell most missions I dont even take hp damage

Plus if I have a shout vet or book zealot im a ok

[limpid lily]

I think most ppl are going to stop to deal with a blue stimm...it's just the fact that sometimes they are simply in the mix of a horde you're smiting, and sometimes it's better to just keep smiting through it

no one is going to smite a blue stimm BY DEFAULT

unless yknow, ur silly

[quaint lark]

I like to have a hammer zealot with me and others focus on whatever they can and blues

[limpid lily]

and let's be honest...a blue stimmr is SOMETIMES a bit of a team-effort lol

[quaint lark]

Blue stum crusher...ehh ive only seen 3

But Jesus was that a fucking nightmare

[limpid lily]

yeah

[quaint lark]

Other stims though I dont worry to much as the stim doesn't do shit as they are still stunned lol

Oh no a green stim healed himself...he's still stunned lol

[wind spruce]

Imo the more potent benefit is cycling back into active scriers faster to get the flat damage, crit, weakspot damage rolling again (plus overlapping with the 10s afterburn). It's a pretty close call whether that outweighs warp rider, unstable power and OwtW being higher imo. Ofc H40 armour/bosses compromises the number of weakspot kills you're getting anyway

[quaint lark]

Most the time I can activate a 2 sometimes rarely a 3 but mainly a 2 scriers gaze and just keep smite on

I have had people say im cheating as ill never pop but I ignore those people lol

[quartz barn]

how does that even make sense lol

"that psyker hasnt blown up yet he must be cheating"

[lone ravine]

that psyker can manage their classes gimmick? Obvious cheating

[quaint lark]

Just most players i do see and play with either never played psyker or dont know it enough

Plus if a person's being shitty i wont share my bulid so when they ask ill say no then they think im hiding something

[zealous wing]

tbh if someone really wants to see your build they can just grab the mod for it

hell, they can walk up to you in the same lobby and see it

no point in saying no tbh

[quaint lark]

Didn't know theres a mod for it

Then again I dont mod at all lol

[haughty star]

can i just use nexus loader for mods yet

[hearty wolf]

I've woken up in the middle of the night

I think it's time for Darktide tbh

[zinc phoenix]

I wish crystalline will worked more like martyrdom so that it’s more reliable

[hearty wolf]

Sudden craving to play it

Where are friends

[zinc phoenix]

Potato was fried sad to say 😢

[hearty wolf]

😭

@ripe obsidian @tulip kettle ?

[ripe obsidian]

ye okay

gimme a minute

[hearty wolf]

That threw me off

You don't usually type like that do you

Who are you

[ripe obsidian]

I type like that fairly often?

I contain multitudes

[hearty wolf]

Huh, maybe it's my internal monologue voice for you sounds quite proper

Lul, gotcha

[royal totem]

Six has six voices

[hearty wolf]

I legit have an internal voice for everyone

Is that not normal

[deft stump]

I thought there was like only 3-4 actual ppl here?

[royal totem]

I have no voices

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, I am here

[hearty wolf]

Lets do it

[tulip kettle]

im also down

[hearty wolf]

The usual place then

[deft stump]

Had better be 69.

[deft stump]

Heh.

[strong gulch]

HI

[hearty wolf]

oh you coming?

I was told you not around

[strong gulch]

SITTING DOWN NOW

CAPS

[hearty wolf]

OKAYU

[haughty star]

actually roughly only 30-50 percent of people have any internal monologue

there are loads of people that just think in feelings or just "knowing"

they tie internal monologue in with a affinity for reading

[wind spruce]

So that's why I can't read

[haughty star]

trying to piece back together my surge psyker after this fuckery with the skill trees

empyric actually looks kinda worth now ngl

[wind spruce]

Surge lmb goes even harder now

[haughty star]

other than no macro no mo

[wind spruce]

Full auto mod go brrrrr

[haughty star]

wait they unfuckeed warp charges

lesgoooooo

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/7kb3R5

One shotting a crusher without a crit is wild

[haughty star]

wait and pots is.. actually decent?

for voidstrike..? maybe

AND I CAN SKIP ER

GOOD LAWD

CRYSTILLINE ACTUALLY HAS A PURPOSE

WTF HAS FUCKSHARK DONE

is it just psyker eating this unreasonably good or did everyone get this much love?

[wind spruce]

Vet got a big lunch

[hearty wolf]

What - how do 70% of people not have an internal monologue

like

what goes on in their head

😭

"think in feelings"

what a wild concept

[haughty star]

yeah google that shit. weird to me too. irosk just basically said he doesn't above

[haughty star]

for the first time ever i have no idea what to do with these extra points on a psyker surge rmb build

wild

[wind spruce]

I was just making a jk

[haughty star]

also kinda forced into channeled is so weird

oh wait wtf souldrinker gives crit now

what the fuckkkkkk

how did i not notice these changes

this is like a soyker christmas

[wind spruce]

Although I do wonder if there's a way to feasibly test whether you have an internal monologue... presumably it's not just a binary yes/no, that some people have a "stronger" one

[wind spruce]

It always gave crit

They changed it to toughness over time instead of 5% per kill

[wind spruce]

Something like this? I've only played lmb ek since the patch

(One point unspent)

[haughty star]

worry not irosk i still have a special model for the lmb memes lol

[wind spruce]

Hahaha that's identical to mine. I love the low charge rate heresy

[haughty star]

don't need that stinky charge rate anyway

[wind spruce]

I've been going full heresy with ER and transfer peril for infinite scriers uptime

I generate like 2% peril per shot and I can quell up to 40% peril if both bolts from a crit hit headshots and proc battle med kekw

[tulip kettle]

@strong gulch 🫘

[strong gulch]

====================

[proper spoke]

Don't need one
Thinking in concepts is much faster

[hearty wolf]

Rage bait 😔

[candid temple]

no damage, as in they do no damage, or they take no damage?

[verbal thistle]

didnt ask

[strong gulch]

Thanks for games.

[tulip kettle]

was great fun as always! ggs

[rain wren]

Maybe they went full support

Though don't psyker do decent damage even then?

Or could be sarcasm

[potent echo]

Level 35

[plucky flax]

No I've never seen psyker do any damage ever.

[royal totem]

lies

[ripe obsidian]

Psykers are too weak

Need buffs

[strong gulch]

pls buff

[analog verge]

DD should stack to 100

[royal totem]

yeah next they'll make scrier's gaze make you invulnerable for its duration

and big purge staff apply 16 stacks per hit up to 96 stacks of soublaze

[analog verge]

voidblast should get blaze away and be able to stagger bosses at full charge

[ripe obsidian]

Is the captain shield burst instakill bug still in the game?

[strong gulch]

ye

Died to it yesterday.

[ripe obsidian]

I just died to it

What's the cause?

[verbal thistle]

I assume some terrain clipping

but who knows

also

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunate

[verbal thistle]

the mutant that crashes you

[ripe obsidian]

The heretics are breaking the fourth wall to defeat us

[strong gulch]

Iirc, it's the impact that is suspected to be the thing that gets you.

[ripe obsidian]

That's quite annoying

[royal totem]

They need to stop Ainz somehow

[icy breach]

this is cinema tho

💯

[ripe obsidian]

holy moly

I just got swarmed by a hyperdensity of stimmed ragers

they completely surrounded me in about half a second and then bullied me

[cosmic cobalt]

hot

[haughty star]

I just had this happen earlier and yelled at them. The cascade of soulblaze was pretty frigging stimulating

[kindred isle]

WHERE MY SHOCK PSYKERS AT!? 🗣️

[weary idol]

kicked from the strike team

[ripe obsidian]

I wasn't playing Psyker in this case. Arby, and my charge was on cooldown

It was very sudden

And I'm playing very badly today, so

[kindred isle]

outstanding

[olive ember]

look man

smite psyker carrying my games

or something something

[kindred isle]

I only play smite psyker when I play psyker

[zealous wing]

"carrying" lmao

hindering is more accurate in most cases

[kindred isle]

“carrying” (watching the team kill everyone as I stun lock the mfs)

[zealous wing]

so, being carried is the correct phrase here

[kindred isle]

nahhh

(I’m not even level 30 in psyker)

like lvl 29

[zealous wing]

smite has a long ass AOE knockdown for a reason

but, smykers never use it

thinking the lightning is a "solves every problem" blitz

[kindred isle]

it’s fun to watch people spasm as I shock for like twelve seconds straight

[zealous wing]

i should check if i clipped the earlier mission i ran today with dom. a smyker stunlocked an armour blob... after it surrounded me. guess who got a lil fucked up when they released smite?

the spike in smite users is nothing but frustrating

there's 100% arguments to be made for its proper usage, but, said proper usage is never actually what random smykers do

[kindred isle]

I’m better with veteran tbh cause I have played him longer

[zealous wing]

you'd honestly be better with psyker if you used assail instead of smite, teaching you bad habits

hell even BB would make you pretty good with positioning

[kindred isle]

I was thinking about trying the fire one

[zealous wing]

thats a staff

[kindred isle]

yeah

fire with bb

[zealous wing]

i was honestly worried you were gonna say with smite. inferno + BB + kinetic flayer = good times

inferno + smite, is just suffering awaiting you

lmao

[kindred isle]

no I use the greatsword and shock staff

[zealous wing]

then why smite?

[kindred isle]

it’s funny

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-sad-upset-animals-sadness-gif-26953469

[kindred isle]

mostly because I roleplay as a corpuscarii

[strong gulch]

My partner is a playing a round with 2 arby shock mine spammers and a smyker.

[kindred isle]

we need more electricity

[zealous wing]

i still cant get over how his name just is too long

fucking GOLDEN job

[strong gulch]

@quiet inlet Hexis is proud of you.

I recommend having a computer voice read it out loud.

[olive ember]

Okay

I just got two teams in a row

of dogshit players on auric >.>

literally "3 teammates all die in first two hallways of game" bad

[umbral cove]

does penetration of the soul affect crystaline will's explosion?

[zealous wing]

i dont think so ?

though, what i do know, is that PotS is never worth taking, though explaining why when tired is impossible for me

[umbral cove]

no worries just curious

[zealous wing]

its one of the fatshark specials, AKA, misleading/lies/notwhatyouthinkitis

[umbral cove]

was hoping for more ways to make use of crystaline will more consistently

atm it kinda just leaves full hp enemies barely alive so i still take wound damage

[zealous wing]

theres not much it kills outright from full hp

[verbal thistle]

Test on starting crusher

In base game

Rending is more apparent on carapace

[umbral cove]

maybe just an issue with me then

[zealous wing]

CW is very much an RNG talent atm, unless you know exactly how much damage you'll deal, and have the hp bars mod to see exactly how much your target has before you trigger overload

its not super worth it unless youre completely surrounded, if youre lucky theres a low hp elite also near enough to get killed, very niche use case, so, suipsyker is more a back pocket or meme thing than a focus

its much faster to just stab otherwise

[umbral cove]

i am running the crystalline will mod but was hoping theres a way i can just guarantee kills when i do use it

[icy breach]

cause it complements EK's lack of mixed horde control

[zealous wing]

thats what the sword is for

[quiet inlet]

10 thousand percent convinced, the best smite comes in a can

[zealous wing]

the best smite is the one in the code

||aka brain burst||

[quiet inlet]

i'm gonna guess this was useast server?

as I am living through the same

[olive ember]

no clue

it was just

a string of vets

[olive ember]

is that cope or hope

[quaint lark]

yes

[olive ember]

what time tmrw exactly is the release supposed to be anyways

[quaint lark]

in like 9 hours

[olive ember]

ah cool!

[quaint lark]

so 11 Am for me

well ima sleep yall night

[olive ember]

good night

[potent echo]

Oh that's so soon

It's Tau crisis suit pilot, trust

[quiet inlet]

Votann, 100%

[weary idol]

dawn of war 2 last stand be like

[zealous wing]

far as im aware, any time people say is guesswork

could be soon, could be late evening

[zealous wing]

today*

[zealous wing]

to be fair its also a reveal not a release

so we're just gonna get some teaser trailer probably and thats it

[potent echo]

At least a blog post

Hopefully

[zealous wing]

honestly hope its a trailer, arby's was actually pretty sick

they can make cinematics that go hard thats for sure

[potent echo]

As long if there's gameplay

[zealous wing]

i dunno if there'd be gameplay shown so soon

depends how far along the playtesting is and how much they'd still need to modify, most likely

theres completely no certainties on anything except, we're sure its revealing later today, and we're sure its gonna be a paid DLC, and its not ratlings

honestly hope its at least interesting/stands out in some actual way

[quartz barn]

Doesnt the class release in december?

[zealous wing]

ye

well

also a guess from what i recall

people are basing it off the single other DLC class

which, not a lot of data points

[quartz barn]

So its prob going to be with gameplay rather than a seperate thing

If it is going to release so soon

[upbeat kestrel]

joplay said it releases 2.12.2025

and she gets info from fatshark

[quartz barn]

3 weeks

[zealous wing]

thats when the map is added, and a new event, so its possible

we also gotta hope its not broken in obvious ways like arby was, but, its fatshark, we know it will be

[quartz barn]

Ngl i dont mind things being broken as long as its not gamebreaking

[fierce crest]

every mission with arby was sleep when bleeddog abuse was going on

[wraith sphinx]

yeah playing the game when arbys released was pretty bleak

the arby honeymoon period could not have ended soon enough

[potent echo]

I rarely see any in pubs now

Maybe 1/6 of players

[quartz barn]

Because for some reason pubs think arb is bad

[potent echo]

Well they don't have plasma pee

[quartz barn]

Like just now theres some guy in gen wanting the new class to "atleast" be stronger than arbi

Like wat

[potent echo]

Vet only player opinions: discarded

[rain wren]

I just want a different aspect or one there is not much of like a different type of spellcaster

[wraith sphinx]

Yup, here's hoping!

[wraith sphinx]

The worst ending

Crutch class flattened the overall skill floor so the average darktide player is now less skilled than before

Though I am being a bit hyperbolic, most of the worst stinkers have quit arby or the game after the class got a slap on the wrist with the recent bugfixes and the toughness nerf

I no longer really roll my eyes when I get arbies in qp

[rain wren]

To be honest it's still op

[wraith sphinx]

It is but it's mostly mained by bad players so that OPness rarely comes into fruition from my experience

[rain wren]

Lol yes lot do die a lot

[wraith sphinx]

my favourite are the ones who hold W, get netted, instantly alt f4

[rain wren]

Lol

[stray dock]

what kinda builds for psyker utilise shock maul?

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[quartz barn]

Me too

Mfw my main way to counter nets is to just charge into them

[long saddle]

you want to slide under them tho

[rare ridge]

i tried different things, but most comfortable to me is flamestaff + one hand psyker sword, headburster special and bubble shield.

[plucky flax]

Classic burga

[wraith sphinx]

Good old burga

Almost impossible to go wrong with

Unlesd you get qp with slob veterans who spend all their ammo on trash mobs

[quartz barn]

This depends on your distance from the trapper

Staggering them before they can shoot is always better

Or killing ofc

But you risk charging something else thats on the ground beside you and do fuck all

[long saddle]

oh I meant it as you want to be able to slide under them, but you can't

[wraith sphinx]

Oh

That's gore of my comfort staff

[dusk timber]

:3

[long saddle]

imagine a weapon where all blessings are viable

[wraith sphinx]

Just remove terrifying barrage, easy

[dusk timber]

Idk if its even possible

It would need to both not have any dead slot blessings (eg terrifying barrage) as well as not have any blessings that heavily outclass the other options

And tbh the latter is way more difficult to do

[long saddle]

mostly just removing dead slots

viable is not a super high bar

[wind spruce]

Lmao I can't comprehend someone caring about the new class being stronger than the others. So weird

Obviously don't want it to be garbage (or have half the talents not working like arbi) but who cares where it sits in power rankings

[zealous wing]

well if it cant even run auric, that'd be a problem. if it flies through h40, thats also a problem

[wind spruce]

Hopefully whatever the new class is they give it purgatus so I don't have to run it

[zealous wing]

lmao

genuinely though im still as confused as i was at initial tease of new class

what role needs to be filled

[wind spruce]

Doesn't really need to have a unique role just unique mechanics imo

But more static defence is something we lack

[rare ridge]

im still interested ina kind of "robot necromancer"

[zealous wing]

well yeah but each class has their quirk that they do very very very well (except wildcard of arby)

[wind spruce]

Psyker quirk is being the bestest

[zealous wing]

psyker does crowd control very very well, zealot can do boss DPS very very well, vet can do specialist targeting, ogryn is tank (duh), arby is a mix of everything, so like, what role is technically missing

[rare ridge]

a healer? 😛

[zealous wing]

i thought that at first too but

all classes have something for team support

zealots can heal corruption, vets can also make team medipacks heal corruption to a point

stealth also is in 2 classes, so its not that

[rare ridge]

maybe as a coherency bonus, not toughness regen but health regen

[zealous wing]

it'd have to be pretty slow for it to be balanced at all

[long saddle]

health transfer maybe

[dusk timber]

Game's not really balanced around healing without a hard limit

[long saddle]

and only slow health regen on yourself

[marble crater]

Where new class?

[long saddle]

<t:1762880400:t>

[marble crater]

That's still so far away

[deft stump]

Tower defence but not quite?

[wind spruce]

Inb4 it actually is hive ganger and all three blitzes are the stims we have in game

[deft stump]

Blitz is turret type.

[wind spruce]

Pretty much

[dusk timber]

We have 4 stims tho

[marble crater]

Heal doesn't count

[wind spruce]

Don't make me tell fatshark to only give them one blitz boio

[dusk timber]

Why shouldnt i

[wind spruce]

Ok fine

[zealous wing]

honestly if it WAS stims, i could see celerity being merged with concentration, or whichever stim being an upgrade for each

hell, merged combat with celerity, outright combat node

[dusk timber]

Actually nvm concentration would def be outright excluded

[zealous wing]

actually no yeah

fuckin PA nerf

they wanna chill that shit

one stim refill every 5 minutes even could be huge, esp on havoc

a lot can happen in 5m tho

[dusk timber]

Either they make the replenish cooldown take so long its basically pointless outside of havoc or they make it too short and its near mandatory

Best option is to sidestep that issue entirely and just not add it

[quartz barn]

Survivalist ptsd

[deft stump]

Unless their ults are eh enough.

[dusk timber]

Im assuming you'd also be able to use the stims on allies

[deft stump]

I mean, a way of balancing is self only. A balance for shared buffs could be that they are weaker.

[dusk timber]

It would still be better to sidestep the problem entirely by just not including concentration stims

[languid pine]

could pull something from vermintide and add in some class similar to sister of the thorn (not the pre-rework one)

[pulsar hazel]

tbh arbi on release more or less stepped all over zealots/ogryns/ even vets shoes and only got it's own identity after tweaks (which for the most part is just a mini ogryn) sooo

[merry meteor]

Is Perilous Combustion necessary for a DOT-based build of psyker? It just seems like, with application radius of 4m, cases when you kill just a elite/specialist inside a dense enough hoard is pretty low, and if they die from AoE of any kind, anything weaker than them around them is probably dead anyway at that point, so nothing to apply this DOT to. It's just I'm on the fence of either taking it or Quietitude, for more durability

[pulsar hazel]

is that the one where killing elites sets enemies on fire in an AOE

[merry meteor]

yes

4m radius

[pulsar hazel]

that one is mainly for situations where 15 shotgunners or 10 ragers clown car out of a door

it's not 100% necessary it's just nice to have

if you desperately need the points then skip it

[quartz barn]

Just like any other on elite kill perk it shines in higher diffs

[pulsar hazel]

yeah it works good, it always has, but I'd be lying if I told you I took it much lately. I think it's only really on my voidblast blaze build

[quartz barn]

The damage you get from it adds up quite a lot too

[merry meteor]

okay thanks

[pulsar hazel]

yeahhh it's just opportunity cost that takes it out of many ppls builds from what I've seen

since the rework psyker has soooo much good shit

[quartz barn]

Ye before you could pick almost all perks at the top of the tree and be fine

Now you only get 2, so up to you wether you want extra damage or a extra toughness regen node

[pulsar hazel]

suffering from success XD

[quartz barn]

I mean i almost always get pc

[wind spruce]

Yes

[quartz barn]

Except for gunker (i think) and rending trauma

[pulsar hazel]

i mean I'd say it's pretty great on voidblast blaze builds but I've been skipping it with flamethrower staff

[languid pine]

arbites just reminds me of a more mobile (and better ogryn if the arbites knows how to eat aggro)

[quartz barn]

Arbi doesnt eat aggro tho

[wind spruce]

I still take it on gunker because you have no other way to scale with density

[quartz barn]

Hes a stun bot

Ye i cant remember if i have it on gunker or not

[wind spruce]

Never skip it with purgatus... that's the build it's strongest on

[languid pine]

as long as arbites is standing in front and you're in a chokepoint or any place where the horde doesnt immediately surround you, arbites could absolutely eat aggro away from backline

ogryn makes it much more convenient because he can taunt and flaunt his asscheeks anywhere so you can aggressively push and hold in really shitty spots

[wind spruce]

Why only two? For most builds you should have four points up there because perfect timing and perilous are so strong

[quartz barn]

Actually ye if you dont go warp charges you can get more, or just skip kd

Too havoc pilled

[quartz barn]

Yes but this is not eating aggro, just stunlocking whatever is in front of him

[wind spruce]

Yeah its even harder to pick up KD with warp charges now

[quartz barn]

Ragers will still just try to run past as the backline just shoots past him

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/7kb3R5

Still dumbfounded you can one shot a crusher without critting

[dull scroll]

on lower difficulties no, in H40 absolutely

PC along with PA and KD are 3 of the most OP psyker talents

[glass sundial]

I was going to ask for tips on a melee psyker build I made but it seems I don't have the permission to embed files

[dusk timber]

Just yap more

[glass sundial]

Fair enough lol, I just joined to see if there was some info on the new class drop

but I might as well ask this because I still have no idea how this game works sometimes

what does stamina exactly give you?

+1 stamina, +2 stamina, I got no idea

[dusk timber]

Extra bars of stamina

[glass sundial]

like for sprinting and blocking?

[dusk timber]

Blocking, running and pushing consumes a fixed amount of stamina

[glass sundial]

ah, okay

thanks

[wind spruce]

Something like this

[glass sundial]

that's not too far from what I have, I suppose

[wind spruce]

A lot of nodes are just preference

[glass sundial]

but I took brain rupture instead of assail

[wind spruce]

That's fine, just make sure you take kinetic flayer with it

[glass sundial]

yeah that one's awesome

[marble crater]

3,5 more hours

[glass sundial]

Thanks, that's kinda late

Thought it would be around the middle of the day

in Europe that is

[marble crater]

Yeah I don't get it either, but oh well

[quartz barn]

Get home from work > trailer ready

[marble crater]

You could watch it while at work though

[quartz barn]

Dont work from home today

But i have this friday off tho

[glass sundial]

well we got a national holiday here so I was kinda hoping to have some more time with it lol

[wraith sphinx]

afternoon yeah

just in time for 9 to 5ers to return home

[glass sundial]

that sounds fair

[hearty wolf]

So

I've been training two new starters at my current job

Before I was mentoring and I loved it

But training someone from scratch

I want to end my existence

It's so painful 😭

One of them is so fucking slow and to be fair, my teaching method isn't perfect but I can tell their neurons ain't firing

[quartz barn]

Teach them how to smyker instead

[hearty wolf]

I'm telling you one of them would die to POTW

With smite.

😐

[deft stump]

I thought it autoquells?

[patent steeple]

or they would die to a few random poxwalkers that were just a bit out of the smite zone...

[hearty wolf]

That's exactly my point

I feel bad

I felt like I didn't mind training someone if they were competent

I didn't consider they could have poor digital literacy in this day and age

[wraith sphinx]

crazy how people often overlook this

[quartz barn]

Dont you eula stare me @deft stump smite takes no skill so even dum dum starters can be usefull

Friendly reminder that 50% of americans have the literacy of a 6th grader or lower

[wraith sphinx]

people really go "oh them iPad babies and shit are gonna have mad tech literacy due to using tech from an early age" no bitch all they ever do is click open apps in a tightly controlled idiot proofed environment lol

if someone goes beyond that it's the exception not the rule

[candid temple]

no, it's after office hours in europe too

idk why swedes always release stuff after they leave the office

paradox does it too, all their stuff launches at 18:00'ish eu time

I guess that way they can release, go home and then relax until the next morning, when they come back to the rabid playerbase demanding bugfixes

[quartz barn]

Its so that thr devs can play it in their free time cmon

[wraith sphinx]

ffs kids nowadays complain over having to drag and drop zip files and unzip them in order to install a mod for a game instead of having some drone make a third party mod manager with 50 trillion features useless for anyone who doesn't have self-induced ocd they can use 😐

[quartz barn]

Wouldve been better if we did the same thing in japan, aka free day on big release

[deft stump]

How?

[hearty wolf]

It's just

Idk man

It's so obvious what to do sometimes 😭

And they just miss it

[tardy lodge]

I'm a day 1 player but haven't played since the Karnak twins came out - y'all got any links to decent builds?

[hearty wolf]

I'm trying to think of an example but my mind is cooked

[hearty wolf]

Pins

[wraith sphinx]

all the pins, all lined up

[tardy lodge]

eyyy thanks!

[wraith sphinx]

it is what it is

[tardy lodge]

Emperor's light guide you, sibling.

[pale prairie]

Politics and state’s having different standards

[glass sundial]

arrowhead always released stuff near midday so I thought fatshark would too

[candid temple]

it just means they don't read, but watch tv, etc

[royal totem]

Pandemic didnt help and also like krieger said, politics

And bad parenting

[candid temple]

6th grade literacy isn't actually that bad, you can read normally

below is less good though

[royal totem]

21% are illiterate

BTW most of those are in the South

[robust jacinth]

If I remember correctly this was the functional illiteracy rate. Which means they can read, but if you ask them something abstract about the text they read they wouldn't be able to answer.

[royal totem]

Unsure.

Ok no. Its just illterate.

[candid temple]

talk to your team lead/hr and tell this person is kinda shit?

or is it a nepo hire?

[patent steeple]

btw, what gun should I use on FGS meleeker, if I mostly just use it for quickly killing specials/gunners?

I don't want to clickspam, though, so laspistol is out of the question.
VIAG is too short-range for killing gunners and specials from further away (same as with Agri Revolver), and the other two IAG mks don't have enough ammo in my opinion.
Zarona Revolver, meanwhile, would need Surety of Arms (which I can't really use effectively with FGS meleeker), and Recon XII deals too low damage per shot to kill anything fast enough...

[cosmic sigil]

laspistol

na jk, you can use a boltpistol

[haughty star]

Id drop the one for peril for toughness and grab warp speed here

[wind spruce]

quietude is stronger than warp expenditure but yeah theres plenty of preference picks

it also has a point unspent

[cosmic sigil]

you can still use puncture with warp slice, and your second blessing can be whatever tbh

[buoyant maple]

Try recon VIc

[cosmic sigil]

you won't be procing EE reliably sou you can take that point and put it elsewhere in a dmg node or some qol

[wind spruce]

speaking of puncture and warp slice

the perfect peril gen per special

[haughty star]

This is my go to gunker after some testing last night

[wind spruce]

perfect timing

[cosmic sigil]

I could not go below 38 T_T

[haughty star]

Its flat damage so ive never put alot of stock into it

[cosmic sigil]

why bro why

[wind spruce]

15% damage for pretty much doing nothing

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-bobby-will-ferrell-talladega-nights-fast-indy500-gif-4552859

[wind spruce]

its an auto pick

[haughty star]

Its damage soup

Hella mid

[wind spruce]

its really not

also why do you have soulstealer on gunker with no assail

[haughty star]

Yes it is. Theres nothing multiplicative about perfect timing refer to the guide

Warp slash

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-3d-blast-3d-blast-3d-gif-2483163906317407726

[wind spruce]

quietude is simply better

[rigid sky]

not sure if I rate kinetic flayer on gunker tbh

[wind spruce]

interesting

[cosmic sigil]

just use quietude

you'll get more of it

[haughty star]

Eh either is not rrally needed with WE after testing last night

Ive always just got that route so you can get big chunky toughness off of the special on fgs or illisi depending on how im feeling

[sturdy reef]

zzzzzzzzz

[cosmic sigil]

i am more of a drip drip guy

[haughty star]

I actually might move it in to battle meditation i didn't realize they gave that a flat peril bonus

Jesus christ they really buffed psyker lol

[wind spruce]

plus you get medium chunks when you use special and scriers with quietude anyway

[haughty star]

Yee just not necessary if not using a single target sword and you have we

Bm looking Hella sexy tho with that flat 10

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/Vly822

@haughty star

shenanigans xD

[haughty star]

Jeeeze

[junior lantern]

holy jesus

[zinc phoenix]

shredder and boltpistol work pretty well

[marble crater]

Fatshark TA 6

[zinc phoenix]

ive also done warp unbound with zap stick which is really nice for burster control too

you play standard melee but have a pocket zap for when you need to nail a special

[junior lantern]

yeah

[wind spruce]

ok @haughty star i stand corrected, warp rider only took my damage from 1984 to 2142 when i had full stacks of warp charges and malefic momentum up

[junior lantern]

will say, bolt pistol feels very good

[zinc phoenix]

im currently messing around with smite as an alternative to KF for burster control so i can keep a gun and i still strongly prefer KF in melee

[zinc phoenix]

it feels good against some stuff and ass against others. recon las is a great all rounder

but slow

[junior lantern]

true

[zinc phoenix]

i will say the sprint while shooting blessing fixes a lot of what i dislike with bolt pistol

[junior lantern]

but what i need it for is quick "OH SHIT" moments so

[patent steeple]

I would need Warp Speed for that build, and idk how necessary EE is on meleeker without a very rapid-firing ranged weapon...

[zinc phoenix]

tighter grouping and more mobile play feels better

[zinc phoenix]

its still really good for when you are busy stabbing

[wind spruce]

but @haughty star you're running MM anyway, which is way, WAY less effective

[junior lantern]

warp speed psyker is very funny if you have a laspistol as well

[zinc phoenix]

i really dont like MM with all the carapace

its just not reliable at all using assail

the only stuff it kills is stuff you dont really care about because its trivial to wave clear with fgs

[wind spruce]

the uptime isnt actually awful with just PC and KF

[zinc phoenix]

on MM? interesting

i hadnt thought about that synergy

[junior lantern]

sorry, mind rotted by the warp here, what does MM mean?

[cosmic sigil]

malefic momentum

[junior lantern]

aaaaaaaa

[wind spruce]

theres a list of acronyms in the pins

[junior lantern]

PC and KF?

oh there is

[zinc phoenix]

my problem has been that i can maul any number of crushers if i have space to move but sometimes i just end up getting a bunch of them inside one another and theres no room so im trying to find a solution for that

[junior lantern]

thank you kindly orc

ah i see

[wind spruce]

for a gunker/meleeker build?

[zinc phoenix]

idk why bcob + quietude isnt more popular for melee

[zinc phoenix]

yeah

[junior lantern]

i use those

[wind spruce]

smite

[zinc phoenix]

obviously the easy solution is "just play purgatus 5head" but id rather not submit to baby gaming

[zinc phoenix]

dont laugh but ive been trying it 😂

[wind spruce]

i was enjoying a rending trauma meleeker the other day

[wind spruce]

only pulled it out to deal with crusher packs

[zinc phoenix]

not a bad shout

[wind spruce]

and tac axed the rest

[zinc phoenix]

actually thats a really good idea

and then i can go back to KF

[wind spruce]

this is actually good tho. getting a full warp unbound of smite can be clutch as fuck, it just gets toxic when smykers spam all game

[zinc phoenix]

p much. nobody minds if its just a quick burst to recover a situation... including me, smite hater in chief

but flurry rending is actually even better b/c it makes the cleanup quicker and doesnt immob me

i keep going back and forth on shred vs riposte 😂

[wind spruce]

yeah plus just blow up that horde with one blue circle and go back to elite farming, etc

[wind spruce]

its so damn close

@zinc phoenix

take this random mission as an example

the top ? is shred bottom one is riposte

[patent steeple]

I still would use MM with FGS meleeker, just because it allows assail to actually kill shooter groups in a reasonable amount of time (after I have killed some dudes in melee first, ofc)

this is not applicable in high havoc, of course.

[wind spruce]

basically same % time active but shred only averaged 2.22 stacks

[potent echo]

delayed

[wind spruce]

hahahahahah SERIOUSLY

incredible stuff

[marble crater]

As I said Fatshark TA 6

[quaint lark]

ITS DELAYED TILL THE 18

OMG CLASS REVEAL IS DELAYED UHG

[marble crater]

Maybe they didn't decide on a class yet

[quartz barn]

Back to work bois

[haughty star]

Is voidstrike good with pots?

[wind spruce]

voidstrike isnt good with anything anymore

[haughty star]

[wind spruce]

its been left wayyy behind with all the health buffs

and the cleave issues it has in havoc

[marble crater]

Voidstrike is good if you are playing with another psyker who carries you

[haughty star]

Yeah I noticed rmb spam on surge felt kinda lackluster too last night

Like I really needed those full charges more than ever

And I was just running damn cuz its been prolly since arbiter release since I played

[candid temple]

voidstrike is kinda like

shittier combat shotgun?

[wind spruce]

ok two new favourite things that arent new are the obscurus and FGS puncture w/ shriek

both go so hard

[zinc phoenix]

assail is poop tho

[wind spruce]

try rending meleeker yet?

[zinc phoenix]

yes and actually it works pretty good

i am a fan!

solves the problem for sure

and since boss can just be melee its not a big deal

running it with kf means giving up the last node of DD with the way i prefer to build

but that is also ok

[wind spruce]

unlocks like 10 new melee weapons that cant kill cara haha

[wind spruce]

show me what ya cooked up

[zinc phoenix]

me, an fgs exclusive 😂

[hearty wolf]

I spoke to my manager yeah

[zinc phoenix]

true aim counts for staff right?

the right click attack?

[pale prairie]

Lmao so classic. Announcement of an announcement for next week

[hearty wolf]

I basically told her I don't have time to deal with this person cos they kinda slow but I can deal with the other one

[zinc phoenix]

b/c im hoping trauma crits when i use it

[wind spruce]

yes

[zinc phoenix]

ok ez life then

its a weird way to go i acknowledge but the goal for me is having the sustained toughness gen and dr to shrug off a lot of the incidentals in havoc

while also being able to tap a lot of stuff mega hard with FGS because BB cooks off

JAD i am so mixed on because i spend so much time at 100% peril

[wind spruce]

do you find yourself quelling before you reactivate scriers

i suppose BCoB brings it down

nvm

[zinc phoenix]

i do a little stabbing lol

and bcob feeds quietude which gives me pretty nutty sustain

[wind spruce]

yeah quietude is goated

[zinc phoenix]

just gotta click heads

im tempted to go back to the mk8 fgs because its more reliable for clicking heads

[wind spruce]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1437832892335001640

[zinc phoenix]

funneh stuff

[wind spruce]

0 to 100 in 2.4s kekw

[zinc phoenix]

the build is so tough that if i dont misplay into burster or net i take zero damage which i appreciate

[wind spruce]

yeah i do like that

[candid temple]

wdym?

[plucky flax]

Glad fs went with the classic next week for the reveal

[candid temple]

mk6 is a sniper?

just l1+l2 cancel?

it's basically diagonal head chops

[cosmic sigil]

[warped fable]

flame staff vs trauma staff any one have an opinions ?

[wind spruce]

flame staff is undeniably stronger

its also way more boring

[warped fable]

the flame staff cant CC crushers and bullworks

[wind spruce]

so? that doesnt make trauma superior

[strong gulch]

Inferno goes around bulwark shields.

[warped fable]

you have made a claim but you have provided no proof to your claim i would like to here your side of that argument

[sturdy reef]

play the game

thats the proof

[strong gulch]

LMAO it's not even close.

[warped fable]

this is another clame with out proof

[strong gulch]

But you can do push attacks force sword to proc uncanny.

[wind spruce]

bruh this isn't a new atheism subreddit

[strong gulch]

To help with on fire crushers for the "safe" way.

Look through the discord for proof.

[marble crater]

How strong each staff is doesn't really require proof, it's pretty well established at this point

[strong gulch]

This isn't a newly discovered thing.

It's not an opinion either.