psyker-class

[dusk timber]

Green

The default one

[marble crater]

Green is not a number

[radiant frigate]

is that the medium

[dusk timber]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

that one was pretty ammo hungry as i recall

[dusk timber]

Mk7 ilas is 36/240 effective ammo

[radiant frigate]

3 ammo per shot but not as punchy as the heavy

[dusk timber]

Heavy also has less reserve ammo

[rigid sky]

If people ever start to use iLas again I'll learn the numbers

[radiant frigate]

true fact

[dusk timber]

36/212

[rigid sky]

The fast iLas is the most miserable shooting experience in the game

[radiant frigate]

i used it on zealot before they got reconlas access

(as a burn vector)

[rigid sky]

Laspistol was always better on Zealot

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/vector-gif-26416642

[rigid sky]

It's too punishing to use without ADS

[radiant frigate]

yes but this one had a lot more ammo

[rigid sky]

And a weapon that low damage has no business being ADS dependent

[radiant frigate]

use case for me was mostly setting bosses on fire before meleeing

didn't care much for the direct damage

[rigid sky]

Of all of the choices in the world, it's certainly one of them

[radiant frigate]

it is indeed one of the choices of alm time

perhaps one of the choices ever made

[dusk timber]

You are a choice

[cosmic sigil]

l

[acoustic jacinth]

question, what would be the pathing for an M2 oriented EK build? i know that most EK builds are M1 DD for a good reason... but it's getting old. This is what i'm working with as of now, i take reality anchor since, i don't really see how i would benefit from precog despite it being a very good node

[summer prairie]

going for warp charges is a waste, you've constant or near constant SG uptime with just psykinetic

DD is a big damage boost

[rigid sky]

You could take Shriek

If you want WS

But worse staff dps

[acoustic jacinth]

it's moreso for the damage that gives, 24% on its uptime

yeah shriek pulls away from the idea of the build

[summer prairie]

DD gives a much bigger damage boost

and you don't have to start from 0 all the time

[weary crane]

I can say this is true, but I take 3 cooldown curios and aura too

[summer prairie]

No, you need Cruel fortune too if you take perfectionism

[acoustic jacinth]

weakspot kills will be rare though. only when i go into melee with my fgs

[summer prairie]

Only take Solidity if you intend to quell to 0 all the time during SG in order to maximize the stacks

[acoustic jacinth]

yes

that's the idea

with warp anchor

it's easy management with slide quelling

lingering influence DD vs 6 stacks of WS, what does more?

[summer prairie]

DD

[weary crane]

I've found the issue with my EP BB not 1 shotting gunners in h40 - I need max stacks of perfect timing to do it. But this seems weird to be since it's only 15% DMG, and I have so many other sources of DMG modifiers

Like gaze has 10% DMG and 10% weakspot DMG, and I have warp rider too

[acoustic jacinth]

15% damage and 30% crit dmg at peak dd, with what i understand

That's fair

[summer prairie]

plus weakspot

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah that'll be more for my m1s

37.5%

Alright then, it's done. Thanks, i'll see how my damage output turns out

[mental kayak]

woke up

decided to look at my havoc assignment

decided i would look back in another time

[terse sparrow]

oh its not that ba- OH

[jovial juniper]

Lights Out Dogs

That's evil

[wind spruce]

I've been messing around with scriersmaxxing builds a lot lately and you might aswell just take empyric resolve if you're going as far as to take solidity

You have enough quell speed from RA and your staff that solidity isn't going to actually make a huge difference. May aswell just lean in and go full peril reduction

[plucky flax]

Thats fun I would play

[summer prairie]

I'd play if it was pox gas + bombers

[mental kayak]

this is true evil

immagine blue eyed pink dog

coming at you

full speed

😭

https://tenor.com/view/dog-awkward-awkward-dog-staring-dog-patchibana-gif-2489682387183596147

[weary crane]

Dogs can't stim right

[acoustic jacinth]

empyric is a tax i simply cannot do there though

that would mean back to WS again

[wind spruce]

lack of talent points or you cant cope with the toughness regen nerf?

[acoustic jacinth]

tax as in talent point tax

[wind spruce]

its one point away?

[acoustic jacinth]

two

and even if it was one that would still be undoable

empyric is a great node but in here it would be always taking away something important

[wind spruce]

its one point based on this picture...

[acoustic jacinth]

oh right sorry, had another build i was working on pulled up

and yet again it's not smart for me to move anything

[summer prairie]

why do you have wildfire over empyric shock

[acoustic jacinth]

it is not an m1 build

i am rarely ever using it

[wind spruce]

if im memeing with a scriersmaxxing build id just drop warp unbound

at this stage you're just half way between scriersmaxxing and warp-unboundmaxxing, you're going to max out scriers extremely quickly with EK RMB and have to be quelling way too much

[summer prairie]

why wouldn't you want to sit at 100 after maximizing stacks, not like you can keep SG up for that long

[wind spruce]

well you're not going to maximise stacks if youre actively using RMB

[acoustic jacinth]

I have to quell for only a second. It's really easy with anchor + quietude. I am not always at max stacks but always near max stacks

[summer prairie]

this is probably non-havoc quelling

[wind spruce]

eh, none of this is optimal id just go for the more extreme option if i was going as far as to pick up solidity

[acoustic jacinth]

Plus losing warp unbound, at that point just take shriek

[acoustic jacinth]

I literally have to quell for the same time on my inferno build so 🤷‍♂️

I don't see how it's hard to slide quell for a moment, whether i am in havocs or not. You'll have to do so regardless of build

[summer prairie]

it's not hard, but at some point it's questionable whether the quelling is worth the extra stacks since you could spend that time doing more damage instead

especially when you have to take all these extra nodes to achieve it

[acoustic jacinth]

That would quite ruin the idea of a sg build though

Point of warp unbound is to abuse those stacks i built up for what time i have

Whilst DD also does work in the background

[summer prairie]

in havoc especially surge lmb build gets value out of SG by not having to quell ever

and lets you skip the nodes you'd usually want if you quell

[wind spruce]

thats why you run transfer peril

[summer prairie]

one tick of quelling already one lmb (or potentially two shots) or worse with the havoc penalties

[wind spruce]

proc 2 x transfer peril + BM + purloin for a 1000% return on peril investment with RA and BM

[acoustic jacinth]

That's the thing though, as i stated since the start, this is not an m1 surge build. I know those are good, it's what i use in havoc too

[wraith sphinx]

is there a bug that makes you overload by using dsword parry?

[wind spruce]

yes

[wraith sphinx]

💀 💀

[cosmic sigil]

Is it still not fixed?

[quartz barn]

only with kd i assume

had it happen a couple days ago too

dont parry a group of ragers i guess

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, I went to bed at like 6pm last night

[summer prairie]

why wouldn't it make you overload

[ripe obsidian]

I have been dealing with insomnia lately. So not sleeping for one or two nights, then sleeping 14 hours.

[summer prairie]

assuming dsword is the duelling sword here

[dusk timber]

Dord

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-jolly-christmas-gif-5774532700081404887

MAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOP

[marble crater]

Have they started playing christmas songs over the store radio?

[radiant frigate]

not yet but we got about 3 gorillion tons of christmas stuff

chocolate, gingerbread, tree accessories, etc

[marble crater]

I missed Dominosteine and Spekulatius

[radiant frigate]

oh we already had those

and now i had the privilege of organizing them all

tetris style

[marble crater]

Damn you are so lucky

[ripe obsidian]

When does the Christmas music start?

I always dreaded Christmas season when I worked retail, for myriad reasons

Music chief among them.

There are like four songs, each one redone 8 million times

[robust violet]

What are some good guns for Psyker? I've been sticking with the heavy laspistol but I find it lacking or just less efficient compared to other non gun options Psyker has. I've primarily been using a force great sword and assail for my damage, almost completely ignoring my entire other weapon slot.

[marble crater]

Reconlas and vraks

[prime elk]

laspis is also a gud gun

just make sure you use mk2

and you need to hit heads

[eager knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/920111740883197953.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[quartz barn]

just had a dh summoner spawn outside of the map

thanks fs

[royal totem]

wait wut?

what map?

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-holly-jolly-cat-christmas-gif-cat-gif-gif-3118830661632246190

[eager knoll]

"yes beloved, hiding is cheating!"
Lore interpretation or nonsensical sibling ramblings?

Sounds a little cunnin

A little brutal

[ripe obsidian]

I believe the current winning theory is that there are many voices that the Seer all decides are the same person

[eager knoll]

I think that one is gork and mork

[ripe obsidian]

https://youtu.be/VuLF3jErFJ4?si=YCtWIJXot62oOXBZ

Also this video exists, which is pretty good.

[eager knoll]

Watching

[placid peak]

is quietude even worth it now?

[ripe obsidian]

People keep asking me for Bubble, and sometimes I relent, but then they die just as quickly because they expect it to last more than 6 seconds.

[ripe obsidian]

It's significantly better than it was before.

Necessary, no. Worth it, absolutely.

[eager knoll]

Cool interaction with jad

[ripe obsidian]

I use it on non-bubble builds for more toughness gen, but it's the node I would likely drop first if I needed to.

JaD is a trap node. >:( It killed me directly and indirectly too many times. It has been banished.

[eager knoll]

Also removed cause everyone said the same

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, the last straw for me was being unable to use my Voidblast because the Rotten Armor smoke kept ticking my peril up

[summer prairie]

JaD doesnt work with quietude

[placid peak]

can anyone explain what jad is? Not really used to psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Just a Dream

[ripe obsidian]

There is an acronym list in the pins and in the pinned build guide as well

[eager knoll]

Oh ewww

[placid peak]

isnt this insane btw?

i barely even played psyker before the rework, this just looks like, wow, insane you know

[deft stump]

It is, until you have inf fart clouds everywhere.

[placid peak]

btw how do you build soulblaze staff now? Just take every node that increases dmg? Are there some bad ones i should avoid?

[deft stump]

Can't use staff cos peril and in havoc, quelling is nerfed.

[placid peak]

i feel like its easier to name the bad nodes for blaze staff than the good ones huh

[royal totem]

PotS

[placid peak]

not planning to play havoc on my psyker

[royal totem]

ES

[placid peak]

pleaase no acronyms bro i JUSt said i am new to psyker

[royal totem]

Penetration of the Soul. Empyric Shock

[placid peak]

huh why is empyric shock bad?

[sage bear]

There's a gandalf build

[royal totem]

cuz you don't left mouse button much on inferno

[sage bear]

I don't know how to use the voidblast staff tho

[placid peak]

but its so easy to do though, like left click a couple times then do the long attack and thats potentially 5x6% more dmg no?

strange how its not good

[sage bear]

"Whip out your staff to soften up particurarly big groups of elites or to provide CC in an oh shit moment"

Like what, LMB spam when big groups?

[royal totem]

all the time you're left clicking you're losing damage cuz RMB does more stacking. I THINK. Ask @ripe obsidian or somebody knowing better than me

[sage bear]

and RMB spam when oh shit moment?

[royal totem]

i just know it's bad. i don't always know why cuz i don't play that much psyker

[royal totem]

i think you're supposed to mostly RMB and use left click when you need far ranged to hit gunners snipers etc? not 100% sure

[placid peak]

well alright what are some must have nodes for a greatsword / staff build? I got some points left over, i already got the framework of what i want the build to be

[royal totem]

which staff?

[sage bear]

I got the brain rupture for that I guess

[placid peak]

now since im not sure whats absolutely goated, im taking suggestions for the most impactful must haves

[royal totem]

inferno staff?

[placid peak]

soulblaze

yeah inferno

[royal totem]

oh. ummm just a standard inferno build would do

[placid peak]

aight im gonna ask like this then

is warp ghost good?

warp expenditure vs mettle

out of these three which ones should i take?

[marble crater]

Warp Ghost and Mettle

[royal totem]

warp ghost is pretty good

it's not like a 100% must take but it's pretty good

[mortal shoal]

Thank you for this tip! Swapping to the lasgun made a HUGE difference.

[deft stump]

Depends on purpose. Primary has more stagger and suppression. You use that to push boomers away and forcibly suppress and stagger shit. Secondary is mainly damage, can still suppress and such but technically takes longer and is weaker for that purpose.

[royal totem]

am aware. i'm just bad at explaining why ES is bad but i know it is ._.

[deft stump]

It works only if you juggle both buttons if I remember right.

[royal totem]

i think it's channeled force that forces you to juggle?

gives buffs if you use both LMB and RMB juggling or sumthin idk

i'm just a psyker that does the least damage in a game even with inferno

[deft stump]

Might be, been ages since I had a build that paths that side lul.

I basically run a modded version of that newbie build to no think, just shards.

[royal totem]

lmao

karien is just a beekeeper

[celest valve]

vrrrrrt

[celest valve]

once you apply max stacks you want to lmb only to keep the stacks up

[royal totem]

i dunno. i just can't get any damage playing as psyker

[deft stump]

Pretty old news.

Still more a vet main.

[royal totem]

mmmm we all rely on Karien's vet for carries :3

[deft stump]

I do nawt carry!

[celest valve]

Do you stay at high warp for the +20% damage bonuses and the large crit bonuses of warp nexus? Keep whatever keystone you have stacked? Stack the other damage boosts in the tree?

[royal totem]

no. i'm just bad okay? T___T and peril scares me

[celest valve]

Yes there is a large difference between 1x and 1.6x damage turns out :p

Veterans probably more consistent of a glass cannon. Psyker basically requires you to be teetering on the brink of the abyss.

[deft stump]

You explode if you take more than 2 hits.

[celest valve]

Yes. But you regenerate those hits very fast if you're doing stuff :v

[deft stump]

First hit deletes gold, second destroys your toughness, third blep.

More than 1 hit if plasma hits you.

[celest valve]

oh veteran yeah

[fierce crest]

what psyker build are you not doing damage with

[celest valve]

veteran and psyker imo the glass cannon builds

[royal totem]

plz don't try to problem solve my damage thing

i'm just really bad at game

literally bottom 10%

[fierce crest]

psyker is of a higher skill floor imo

[celest valve]

hence veteran more consistent ya

[deft stump]

Think vet is glassier atm.

[celest valve]

probs, psyker is glass that regenerates in under a second

while veteran just shatters and cries

[deft stump]

Vet relies on kills.

Very hard if you lag and barely able to kill before it gets stolen.

[celest valve]

vet definitely feels comfier in some ways tho like you don't need to juggle a billion things that can kill you like psyker

[deft stump]

WS melee stacks basically tells me alot. Run into horde to stab, horde ded, 0 WS stacks.

[celest valve]

"so I need to be constantly at the verge of dying from perils, I need to be proactive in killing to stack destiny or warp charges, I need to crit constantly to stay alive while managing the pendulum of scriers gaze..." "huh I just aim and shoot"

[deft stump]

And hit nothing. 0 damage stagger at best.

I remember, 8 body shots to a trapper, bitch ran off alive.

[celest valve]

sounds like lag tbh

[marble crater]

Duh, it would be very difficult to run away dead

[royal totem]

heavily armored trapper

[deft stump]

3 shots should kill worst case.

[royal totem]

Trapper wearing super carapace armor

or maybe Trapper snuck in a blue stim sometime 😛

[celest valve]

seeing a hit does not mean you hit

as far as I can tell darktide seems to use server authorative hits, although there seems to be ping based rollback to hit?

but inconsistent ping and packet loss can both screw you like that

[deft stump]

I think damage is server, stagger might be more local.

Would explain alot tbh.

[celest valve]

stagger being local would result in heavy desync unless it's visual

suppression is also very forgiving and may be mistaken as stagger

[deft stump]

It does stop crushers overheading, did clearly no damage though since I count shots/hits to kill at times out of curiousity.

[celest valve]

9 times out of 10 the reason why the ogryn went down is because they forgot to shoot their very scary weapon in the vague direction of the enemies

[royal totem]

its cuz the Ogryn already ate their weapon

they were hungry

[placid peak]

does cleave only affect melee?? What does it do on ranged weapons if no?

[verbal thistle]

cleave can change if a projectile can go through the target and hit another

[placid peak]

ah i see. I guess you always take the cleave node with the recon lasgun then huh

[verbal thistle]

If you are talking about the talent "warp splitting" yes. It affects ranges as well

Recon has terrible cleave

I don't think it changed the targets hit

Unless you take the slowest mark which already has some cleave

But the fastest one has probably the lowest cleave in the game

Try it out in the test room

Line up 2 pox walkers and see if you damage the 2nd one

[hollow current]

the twat room huh

[verbal thistle]

No idea how I typed that

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/really-dog-hmm-gif-14788844

[verbal thistle]

Mobile moennt

Moment

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/gledam-te-ozbiljno-nisam-ja-hmm-gif-6410755681774082107

[placid peak]

which recon lasgun is best for psyker generally?

[verbal thistle]

Fastest since it's able to activate multiple crit reliant talents easier

[hollow current]

VId I think is th fast one.

[verbal thistle]

Mettle, empathic evasion

[placid peak]

you mean the fastest one?

there is an extremely fast one, a very fast one, and a fast one...

[hollow current]

labeled torrente

[jovial juniper]

12

[thorn cedar]

just an incredible comment, im still feeling the whiplash

like it starts almost sane but

suddenly the post collapses into schizophrenia

and it never stops and i kinda love it

this is the Eraserhead of youtube comments

you dont even have to watch the movie now

[hollow current]

they renamed more weapons and I wasn't aware

[jovial juniper]

Seems like it

[prime elk]

The old names weren’t confusing enough

[jovial juniper]

Secrets of the machine god

[marble crater]

That is either the worst AI comment I have ever seen or the worst human comment, who writes like that? Battle-field, really?

[wraith sphinx]

Either a bot or a substance abuser

[jovial juniper]

Mk2 became Mk6c
Mk6d became Mk12
Mk7a became Mk14

Iirc

[wraith sphinx]

ESL/ETL substance abuser

[hollow current]

I knew I wasn't nuts.

[marble crater]

Makes perfect sense, not.

[hollow current]

Pic from april 2023

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-grandpa-gif-9487085887044394933

[thick valve]

does Empyric Shock stack on inferno staffs charge attack? or only the lmb spam counts as primary?

[raw garnet]

Who is insane

[verbal thistle]

Crazy?

I was crazy once

They put me in a rubber room

A rubber room with rats

Rats?

[raw garnet]

With gun psykers

[verbal thistle]

Rats make me crazy

[jovial juniper]

Only the M1 attacks

[thick valve]

bummerrr

[tulip kettle]

Crazy?

I was crazy once

[marble crater]

Was?

[verbal thistle]

They put me in a rubber room

[tulip kettle]

a rubber room with rats

[tulip kettle]

mean.

[verbal thistle]

Rats make me crazy

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-eren-grisha-gif-1209747239566400816

[swift stag]

Me crazy

[verbal thistle]

Crazy?

[radiant frigate]

i don't know precisely but given that spooky season is over, it could be any minute now

[tulip kettle]

i was crazy once

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-unlocked-break-free-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-mariah-carey-defrost-gif-2439309213394458832

[ornate hamlet]

whats dump stat on flamer?

[radiant frigate]

warp res

[ornate hamlet]

i meant purgation flamer

[jovial juniper]

https://youtu.be/PwoWnVWHqPQ?si=6gKF9D6bCpMemCUa

[feral verge]

mobility

[analog verge]

#zealot-class

but yes mobility, as far as i know damage also barely changes anything so you could dump it

im not a flamer gamer though im bolt pistol pilled

[feral verge]

warp resist/defenses/mobility are going to be your dumpstats (for applicable weapons) literally 90% of the time

[analog verge]

which ones are the exceptions

[ornate hamlet]

so would this work

[analog verge]

i know you can dump cleave on psword

[analog verge]

yeah sure

[ornate hamlet]

its a keeper then

[marble crater]

I looked into zealot chat and now I understand why you asked here instead

[weary idol]

damage gives you a WHOPPING 2 extra base damage on hit

and doesn't affect the burn dot at all

[verbal thistle]

Looks good, either damage or mobility is the dump

[weary idol]

or something along those lines

[analog verge]

hilarious

[marble crater]

But Blaze Away?

[jovial juniper]

Plasma

@noble axle

And Ripper

At 66% ammo iirc

[weary idol]

yeah damage buffs affect the burn dot

damage on the weapon itself does not

[analog verge]

now i need to check what my plasma's roll is

[marble crater]

But Blaze Away affects the 2 extra base damage, no? Suddenly you reach crusher breakpoints

[jovial juniper]

With a flamer? Good joke

[analog verge]

is it worth trying to do uncanny + flamer shenanigans...

never tried it

[marble crater]

Don't think non-psyker can do that

[deft stump]

The Shock maul and shield can also dump power output if you are prone to never using the special, lul.

[marble crater]

At the very least not as well as psyker

[analog verge]

does it not work if you have uncanny DS?

i suppose

every single time i use shield maul i forget the special exists

so now i just spam it whenever its possible

[jovial juniper]

Tbh not really because crushers got their HP buffed so you're just better off attacking them with your rending melee

[graceful arch]

Plasma is 69 heat management and 71 charge rate IRC

[analog verge]

fuck, whatever, close enough

[analog verge]

right

i miss fury working on ranged weapons

every class should be given purgatus

[deft stump]

It's actually bad. You are better off with a 70/70 than that. Thermal MUST be at least 68 to be worth or you might as well hard dump it.

[analog verge]

goddamnit

[graceful arch]

Still wouldn't be as op on anyone without PC and shriek.

[deft stump]

68 is min, but gambly. 69 will always give you 8 shots. 80 will also still give 8 shots in a row. 60-67 will be 7 shots.

[tulip kettle]

uncanny stacking is worth it on zealot flamer.

but its not nearly as good

due to burning stacks decaying much sooner

[analog verge]

alright i guess ill try it out the next time im in front of a crusher pack

[tulip kettle]

now, if you combo it with flame nades to maintain stacks

now youre really cooking, literally.

except you dont have a decent ranged option vs specials.

[deft stump]

Is why I say, just hard dump thermal in most cases or try to score 70/70.

[analog verge]

i left behind melee only classes in VT

well, i just found a 60 thermal plasma in the store

but im getting that perfect rolll

[deft stump]

Do that over time. tbh. You usually don't need to shoot 8 times in a row.

[radiant frigate]

so what's the play, lower ammo or lower charge rate?

[jovial juniper]

Lower charge rate

[graceful arch]

[jovial juniper]

It doesn't feel like it
But plasma reserve ammo is pretty low

[verbal thistle]

If you don't shoot it has infinite ammo

[jovial juniper]

You have 2 power cells basically

[graceful arch]

Listen you miss all the shots you don't take therefore mag dump into hordes.

[radiant frigate]

going for this thermal resist breakpoint is silly anyway, imagine firing your plasma 8 times in a row

[deft stump]

No. Thermal is like peril gen. Charge rate is how fast it charges.

[radiant frigate]

who fucking does that

[jovial juniper]

Hold on, this writing is fire

[jovial juniper]

Everyone
Technically

The whole weapon is charge based

M1 just charges it to about 50%

It's why charge based blessings work on M1 at 50% effectiveness

[radiant frigate]

well yes

[deft stump]

Why I personally say, dump thermal unless you have dockets to gamble for minmax.

[radiant frigate]

but i just find blasting 8 times in a row unlikely

[jovial juniper]

Be like me

11 shots before overheating

Blaze Away Optimized Cooling gaming

[radiant frigate]

plasma should explode on the 6th shot because you rolled a 1 on your d6

[cosmic sigil]

The Carry Hen

[analog verge]

only if psyker perils are changed to be random too

[royal totem]

Karien definitely carries 😛

[graceful arch]

Make JaD basekit

[jovial juniper]

Plasma roulette

[radiant frigate]

what if perils did things other than You Just Explode

[graceful arch]

Psykers must blow up

[analog verge]

give perils a chance to spawn a weakened daemonhost

[radiant frigate]

make it summon daemons

[jovial juniper]

But only if you're Seer

Pow should change effects based on your staff

[radiant frigate]

siblings are we sanctioned or just renegade witches

[analog verge]

seer psyker should have a chance to just. spawn the emperor

[graceful arch]

Make Jad 50% basekit and make it able to overload you

[radiant frigate]

AQSHY

AAAAAA

[analog verge]

i think savant is sanctioned

i dont believe the other two are

[graceful arch]

Welcome back sienna unchained

[radiant frigate]

certified wizza

[analog verge]

i honestly miss unchained's convert hp to ability CDR

[graceful arch]

Wouldn't work in darktide sadly cause hp is a more precious resource.

[analog verge]

[jovial juniper]

Purgatus PoW applies a huge amount of blaze around you
Blast violently knocks back everything (teammates included)
Strike deals more damage
EK pow is just shock mine

[analog verge]

but i love exploding without going down

[graceful arch]

Imagine having a character who has no toughness but has temp hp

[analog verge]

immediately fucked over by a sniper

imagine psyker just reverts to sienna

[graceful arch]

Crystaline will gaming?

[jovial juniper]

Immediately countered by Reapers

[analog verge]

crystalline will isnt as spammable as sweet, sweet unchainedsplosion

new character: we added kruber from vermintide

he still has no sprint, no sliding, and no toughness

[jovial juniper]

Old man build

[graceful arch]

But he has better vet shout

[analog verge]

grail knight would be so much more fucked in this game

[graceful arch]

Oh hp Regen and red stimms would be huge

[analog verge]

kruber base would be the lowest hp class

and still no toughnes

at least hordes are denser... i guess

[radiant frigate]

BEGONE

HEART, BODY AND SOUL

[analog verge]

okay fine i do miss his big fucking sword ability

but he'd be so fucked against gunners

[graceful arch]

What dash thammer zealot wishes it was.

[radiant frigate]

nah, he'd win

[analog verge]

you're right

you're so right

[ripe obsidian]

What is the question?

[viral estuary]

is the best flame staff blessing blaze away and warp nexus?

[analog verge]

i honestly want to see what the VT classes would look like if they had darktide-style talent trees now

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

I wish you the best of luck, friend.

[graceful arch]

Pretty much yeah

[analog verge]

Yes. A unique one for all 4 careers for all 5 characters.

[radiant frigate]

i shall endeavor to stay strong

[graceful arch]

There are arguments to be made for brittlestaff but it's lower DPS overall.

[ripe obsidian]

Some folks argue for blaze away + pen flames, but blaze away + nexus is the common pick

[royal totem]

Question was why ES bad

[graceful arch]

Vt2 would be the least balanced game in history

[tulip kettle]

folks who argue for pen flames are wrong

[analog verge]

oh yeah it'd take fucking forever for anything to get fixed

[viral estuary]

so bless is ok what about perks? im running flak unyielding w warp res dump

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. Is a debuff on enemies, not buff on yourself, and you're gonna do more damage to more enemies with RMB than spamming LMB to get stacks. Only exception, really, would be like bosses or crushers. But there are better ways to deal with crushers (melee or teammates)

[tulip kettle]

this is fine, some people prefer crit chance instead of unyielding

[royal totem]

Ty. Now i know what to say if ppl ask again

[tulip kettle]

i think crit chance is better because have unyielding on sword

[viral estuary]

does unyielding only affect direct attack for flames? idk how exactly the flame damage works w soulblaze

[tulip kettle]

no it also works for the burn

but in many situations you will want to stack burn on everything more quickly, then once everything is dead except the boss, get your sword out and stab it

[graceful arch]

But you can inherit from your melee instead

[weary idol]

damage perks apply to all damage you deal with the weapon equipped regardless of source

if you stack soulblaze and switch to a sword that has +unyielding the flames will magically do more damage to ogryns

[tulip kettle]

which is why pen flames is doodoo

take carapace + uncanny on sword, burn the crushers then stab em

[jovial juniper]

Yeah the main argument is that PenFlames sucks

[viral estuary]

i gotchu alright, so i take it 1 full charge blaze followed by dueling sword heavies is the best i can do for big bois

[jovial juniper]

[tulip kettle]

correct, though, one full charge is often not enough to reach max SB stacks depending on crit luck

[raw garnet]

Power of faith

[graceful arch]

But my supporting my team by armor stripping yeah it sadly just isn't enough to matter.

[tulip kettle]

so err on the side of caution and burn a bit more than you think you need to if you arent running mods to see how many stacks enemies have

support them more by making everything dead

[graceful arch]

Also anything small in that crusher horde that dies will pop perilous combustion stacking more stacks on the remaining enemies.

[viral estuary]

does soulblaze stacks count seperately? if i go for another full charge flames wouldnt the first one run out

[tulip kettle]

no

[weary idol]

nah

[tulip kettle]

the stacks all just add up. They start to decay back down 1 per second, 8 seconds after the last application of a stack

the max stacks is 15 (16) with inferno staff. other sources like creeping flames can push over this to the hard cap of 31

[viral estuary]

ok then 1 last cooking, why are most guides use flak instead of carapace? what part even is targeted by sb

[tulip kettle]

because flak is the most common enemy

and carapace dmg on infenro is pointless

for the reasons explained

to kill crushers, you burn them to 15 stacks, which does essentially no damage

then you swap to your melee with +carapace and uncanny strike, and stack uncanny strike to 5

and now you are burning crushers for hundreds of dps per second, up to nearly 1000 per tick buff dependent

[raw garnet]

Rendtastic

[weary idol]

soulblaze always targets the "default" health type of an enemy

[strong gulch]

No worries fren. Hope you're feeling alright.

[weary idol]

which is almost always the health type on their torso

[graceful arch]

Cause like every elite that isn't insta vanishing is most likely flak or a crusher.

[weary idol]

the exceptions are Scab Ragers (Flak default, Carapace torso) and Reapers (Unyielding default, Flak torso)

[modest perch]

is wildfire included among these "other" sources ?

[tulip kettle]

no

wildfire is capped at 4 pepega

[pine elk]

Got a question:
Is Unstable Power worth it on the blaze greatsword? On the same note, Warp Slice (with blazing spirit)

[modest perch]

[raw garnet]

Did not know scab ragers had carapace torsos

[weary idol]

no wildfire caps at a super low amount

it's still an increase tho

[tulip kettle]

unstable power very much good

[weary idol]

starting at 4 on new enemies makes soulblaze stack faster

[tulip kettle]

warp slice and blazing spirit are non functional, so never

[weary idol]

it's not super significant but might as well

[analog verge]

i love that the unique blessing is completely dead

[tulip kettle]

the blessings for FGS are always unstable power, then a crit blessing of your choice, like shred or riposte

[weary idol]

wrath for havoc

FGS cleave sucks

[tulip kettle]

yeah you can take wrath but i dont think its worth

after playing with it a lot

[raw garnet]

I love wrath on it honestly

[tulip kettle]

i can explain why if you like

[viral estuary]

is the block attack stacking uncanny? is that mark4 just block attack?

[tulip kettle]

its any force sword push attacking will do it, yes

wont work on duelling sword

but yeah wrath is just strictly worse than crits, even in havoc

[weary idol]

huh TIL that the force sword push attack is always counted as a headshot

weird

[graceful arch]

Always has been

[pine elk]

I mean, I use Blazing Spirit cuz uh.. fire I guess

[graceful arch]

Atleast for as long as I've been playing

[analog verge]

it does?? so i havent needed to aim for the head all this time???

[tulip kettle]

you likely have warp splitting for some cleave, but due to the mass increases you arent doing significant damage to secondary targets anyway. you clear by actually killing enemies then using warp splice to clear the rest. hence, crits gooferer

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt work

[viral estuary]

would this work? put the deflector and block eff cuz i wasnt running bubble but not seeing much value and not using psyker lately so its just getting mold

[verbal thistle]

Use stamina instead of block eff

[pine elk]

It doesn't?

[verbal thistle]

it comes out as more blocking

[tulip kettle]

yes its fine, you have the key bits in uncanny and carapace. but yes stamina is better

[tulip kettle]

nope

[raw garnet]

Cos that makes sense

[viral estuary]

deflector alternative or good as is?

[tulip kettle]

look at it like this

[tulip kettle]

deflector is fine for safety, superiority for more dmg

with blazing spirit, you only apply fire when you crit

and only on enemies that dont die

but when you crit, what happens to the enemies?

[raw garnet]

Lol very true

[pine elk]

uh huh, makes sense..

[raw garnet]

Never thought about it like that but yea

I think mine has unstable and wrath rn

[verbal thistle]

why wrath?

[raw garnet]

I like da cleave

[verbal thistle]

I mean fair, it is a good blessing

but isnt it the FGS?

[tulip kettle]

yeah like i just explained above its also not very good and a crit blessing is almost always better

[verbal thistle]

with infinite cleave

[raw garnet]

So what

Warpslice?

[tulip kettle]

no

a crit blessing

[raw garnet]

Or riposte

[tulip kettle]

like shred or riposte

[verbal thistle]

any combo of shred/riposte/precog/unstable is good

just have 1 crit blessing

precog being the least useful in most situations

[raw garnet]

Noted

[verbal thistle]

precog only helps in more common crusher 1 tap and more boss dps

so isnt useful in most cases

[raw garnet]

I'm also gonna swap off the flame staff to use voidblast I think since I'm not running uncanny anymore

[tulip kettle]

thats fine but your overall dmg is going to suffer. There is nothing in the game that consistently and as easily does as much damage as inferno with meta blessings + melee with uncanny

[raw garnet]

I want to play around with more shit anyhow

[tulip kettle]

do it

[raw garnet]

I'm new I got time to fuck around

Xd

Newish

[tulip kettle]

psyker has loads of fun good builds that have nothing to do with soulblaze

[raw garnet]

Plus I think gibbing crushers is just comical

[tulip kettle]

bonk em with the bigly sword

[verbal thistle]

why gib crushers when mutants do funny flys

[raw garnet]

This is also acceptable

[viral estuary]

so wait does different psykers sb stack differently? do they refresh each others countdown?

[tulip kettle]

the first person to apply a stack to an enemy

"owns" all the stacks on that enemy

any other sources will increase the stack count

[viral estuary]

so 2 guys flaming the same horde is pointless as the cap is the same as 1 psyker?

[tulip kettle]

yup

[viral estuary]

cool

[verbal thistle]

the more psykers with soulblaze the less value

since there is a DoT cap

1 is best

[tulip kettle]

yup, you really only want 1 blaze psyker

other psykers can "use" the blaze psykers soulblaze for more dmg on their own builds though - for example taking souldrinker to get more crit chance on their gun

[verbal thistle]

in fire reborn is a good note too

all psykers share the chance when an enemy dies of soulblaze

[plucky flax]

Share deez.

[cosmic sigil]

1 point for perilous or 1 point for vulnerable minds

Such is my dilemma

[strong gulch]

If non-SG staff, PC.
If gunker / meleeker, VM.

[cosmic sigil]

Also potato. I discovered that I bought the ice shard skin

No more fomo

[strong gulch]

prob still take PC on sg purg

[strong gulch]

NICE

congrats

lmao

[cosmic sigil]

It took me 10 months to discover it and finally use it

[strong gulch]

Truly an epic.

[marble crater]

How?

[cosmic sigil]

There's an abysmal lack of melee weapon skins

[strong gulch]

K33t and I had discussions about the lack of FGS skins in the slop shop. How there was 1 good one 9 months ago: The Icefall Shard. Not too long ago there was a red one that looked like the ordo skins but you had to pay real money for it. There was fomo for missing the good skin. Then it was discovered to already be within dear K33t's arsenal.

[marble crater]

That's almost impressive

[keen wagon]

why is the ping so bad today?

[patent mango]

not sure if it matters to darktide but today is steam maintenance day

[cosmic sigil]

There's still no relic blade skin 🙁

[royal totem]

Huh

Ppl use skins?

[strong gulch]

ye

https://youtu.be/d9DXWgcDlIE

[radiant frigate]

enlightening

[radiant frigate]

i love this skin

[strong gulch]

It's good

[hallow finch]

I'm gonna mod my game for fire staff to be normal fire colour, make it shoot from hands, make a bald male psyker and name him el diablo

[fringe harbor]

can someone give me a build for empowered psionics BB. no shield. This seems like one of the worst abilities so I'd like to play it.

[hallow finch]

What

[strong gulch]

in pins

build bonanza

there's and EP BB inferno shriek build

other builds section

[weary crane]

I prefer force swords but the force great sword is just so sexy

[bronze yacht]

What’s the benefit of quick quelling (quickly tapping quell over and over) over just holding quell? I’ve seen a few high level psykers do this, but when testing it doesn’t seem to be any quicker than just holding quell.

[modest perch]

maintaing high peril

[marble crater]

They are tapping it just enough to cast something again, it's not for quelling to 0

Being at low peril is not good, you want to be at high peril for your various bonuses from talents and/or blessings

[verbal thistle]

less time idling

[strong gulch]

Quelling for long periods is also generally not safe and a time waster.

[bronze yacht]

thanks

[zinc phoenix]

When new class

[weary crane]

I forgo

[verbal thistle]

news on 11th

release probably around 2-4 weeks after

if similar to arby release

also

[weary crane]

I have a feeling it won't be fully polished for a while

[weary crane]

Beloved doesn't love you back

[eager knoll]

just unlocked a new talent tree

8head

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/forehead-gif-22694036

[cosmic sigil]

Trapper has manstopper

[jovial juniper]

Beloved shill

[random spruce]

is kinetic presence worth now?

please siblings I need the forbidden knowledge ;-;

[verbal thistle]

its okay, but less value then the other 2 auras

[wind spruce]

Crit procs talents and critting instead of not critting is more likely to hit break points than 10% elite damage. Plus it affects all enemies. And CDR is CDR.

[weary crane]

Are the curios cooldown additive or multiplicative with the cooldown aura?

[ripe obsidian]

Comms-plex stims + rot cleared

That map... might benefit from shield over shriek

Even on a non-gunner seed, the gunners were relentless. And the mid event is brutal if someone's not clearing them as they come in

[strong gulch]

embrace ep bb

[verbal thistle]

comms plex mid event is coded to spawn waves of elites from the front

bascially 10-14 range elites per 1-2 min

so you need to have people at the door way to stop them from leaking out and taking cover

[ripe obsidian]

That's what I mean by clearing them as they come in

[verbal thistle]

and when objective is 1st started it will always spawn a wave of around 6-20 shooters in the back

ye

probably the hardest objective

because its on a timer

revive is in an open spot

and objective area isnt safe

plus with all the cover

[ripe obsidian]

I think Excise mid event is pretty rough as well

[verbal thistle]

counter, revive is very safe and there is alot of rooms to hide in

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, this was the second run. First lost to gunner barrage at the mid event + twins right after

[verbal thistle]

yeah the interaction spots for obj are in the open

but any invis/smoke/bubble counters that

[ripe obsidian]

These are fair points

[verbal thistle]

and I dont think the objective spawns are that high

and its not weighed to spawn only ranged

[ripe obsidian]

Also true

The gunner spam is rough

I should have probably cleared them on my own and let my team do the event

I played a Psyker game without EE the other day. I missed it. A lot.

[patent mango]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/595?tab=de

this is crazy lmao

maybe someone will spot a rogue crystalline will psyker using this and actually not dying

[thorn cedar]

Initially I thought it was a good thing that you can't friendly fire your own teammates to death with landmines in the new battlefield like you could in the old ones.

But having lost my last three matches due to three+ teammates sitting in their tanks at spawn and doing nothing of value, I rescind my prior opinion and wish only to blast these drooling fuckwits out of their metal shells.

[hasty cliff]

Idea: Why not just plant a bunch of c-4 to their tank and make them fly across the map a bit? If they won’t move, you’ll make them move.

[thorn cedar]

Best you can do is put SLAMs all over their vehicle and hope the enemy decides to target them (which they shouldn't because sitting in spawn means they'll never contribute)

[thorn cedar]

Sadly not what it used to be on that front.

[hasty cliff]

Damn.

[thorn cedar]

Also that took like, comical amounts of C4.

[hasty cliff]

It hurts seeing battlefield go down the drain.

Back in my day we used to launch motorbikes on top of skyscrapers with 3 bits of c-4. And we had to share the motorbike!

[thorn cedar]

That stuff was fun but I don't really miss it.

Impossible to dislodge fucks on the rooftops of Pearl Market spawning endlessly with parachutes, etc.

Right now BF6's version is you can stand on your teammate's drone and hit it with a hammer and it shoots you into the sky like a Mario platform for some reason.

[hasty cliff]

I do. It was a bit of what made Battlefield Battlefield for me. Just being a goofy rocket scientist with some c-4 and a dream.

[thorn cedar]

Which is 100% bannable, I literally have nine e-mails in my inbox from successful reports lmao

I don't really mind if people try it out for the laughs but once you're up on a roof and sniping with a spawn beacon you can get fucked.

[hasty cliff]

Man, that’s just fun. Of course the devs would ban people for having fun.

[thorn cedar]

It stops being cute when there's eight people on your team not contributing at all on a rooftop that isn't even meant to be accessible, or eight people on the enemy team having perfect overwatch on a single point in Breakthrough in much the same way

[hasty cliff]

Well, that’s just how it goes sometimes. You make the best of it, the match won’t last long anyways.

I used to be an absolute rat in BF1. Landing on the enemy team’s airship and having my team spawn on me to be a bunch of nuisances.

Good times.

[thorn cedar]

ye that was intended nonsense tho

man that airship was cool

or well

it was cool while blowing up

otherwise it was a pain in the ass

[hasty cliff]

I miss behemoths. Such a good idea for a game.

[thorn cedar]

I think the mistake was letting them be player controlled.

[hasty cliff]

Eh, just depends on the pilot.

[thorn cedar]

I wouldn't mind seeing a similar concept return but you can only watch some dude sit in the Char 2C right on the edge of your spawn doing nothing for so long.

Or the Dreadnaught getting beached against the shore in ten seconds of spawning.

You can't have such a high value item be at the mercy of whoever spawns on it first -- usually whoever is dying often enough to secure that seat reliably is absolutely terrible.

[hasty cliff]

I also remember landing on the mini airships on those naval maps.

I used to bait the pilot/occupants to jump in the anti air cannon. Blast ‘em, and steal it.

[hasty cliff]

That’s just how the cookie crumbles pal. It’s the same with vehicle spawns right? Just people camping / waiting for their preferred special vehicle to spawn.

[thorn cedar]

Man BF1 was sick. Too bad the gameplay didn't hook me like other titles.

Oh yeah deffo the same but

big difference between a respawning tank/aircraft/whatever and a single-use turnaround mechanic

[hasty cliff]

Yeah

[thorn cedar]

And you really could just

Use the behemoth so poorly that it would accomplish exactly nothing

Like the AC-130 in BF4, which I FUCKING HATED by the way and I never want to see return, was at least smart enough to NOT be piloted and was just a big coffin in the sky that floated in a circle

[hasty cliff]

Oh yeah, I remember that. It was definitely a flying coffin.

[thorn cedar]

"Friendly AC-130 is in the skies!"
The enemy MAA: "Nice, a free triple kill."

[royal totem]

ahhh so nice that psyker chat isn't talking about psykers. it's refreshing :3

[thorn cedar]

what's a psyker

is that some sort of submachine gun

[hasty cliff]

I thought it seated like 4-5 people? Don’t remember too well.

[thorn cedar]

Three different guns

The big boom, the smaller boom, and a gatling gun.

[inland ice]

two pilots and a crew chief

🤓

[hasty cliff]

Oh

[ripe obsidian]

my ego does not need this

[royal totem]

lmao xD

[ripe obsidian]

I did have one of my rare psyker clutches

desperate sprint to the revive spot

[royal totem]

congrats 😄

[ripe obsidian]

Ew.

I see a level 1500 Psyker using this build with FGS/Inferno.

I can only assume they're being goofy

[royal totem]

that's......strange 😮

[ripe obsidian]

This is so close to being great

But the 36% first target

[royal totem]

xD

[ripe obsidian]

yeah, it'll be at 44% warp resist if I fully upgrade it

[ripe obsidian]

firesword

[verbal thistle]

he didnt accept : (

[tulip kettle]

this same thing happened at least 4 more times, im fighting for my life and they are losing to a small group of poxwalkers. game ended with nobody breaking 1 mil and me on 3.3. we lost.

[hasty cliff]

Genuinely curious. How do people play with so much visual “noise” on their screen? Your screen is lighting up like a casino slot machine lmao.

[tulip kettle]

i am so done

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

[hasty cliff]

The modded notifications. Healthbars, proximity color things, callouts on the side for whatever thing, etc.

It’s just too much, at least for me.

[tulip kettle]

all i see is healthbars of enemies and stack counts of DoTs, theres no modded pop ups or anything. the little coloured circular indicators are for specials but in situations like this im not looking at them at all

[hasty cliff]

But that’s all modded pop ups lmao, is it even necessary?

All you need is some basic surround sound headphones and you’re good.

[tulip kettle]

okay homie (y)

[hasty cliff]

Don’t need all of this clutter. IMO

[candid temple]

biologically augmented brain

[ripe obsidian]

Going way back to this, why the new mark bolter instead of the original mark? More stagger for pinning fire?

[hasty cliff]

I guess I’m not used to seeing a laser light show on my screen the entire time.

It makes me feel nauseous. Lmao.

[ripe obsidian]

I think a majority of the very good players play with premades rather than randoms

[candid temple]

he's not even using psykernautics yet

[tulip kettle]

i think so too but then you run into a different issue

where everybody feels nothing with just playing disciplined and winning the game

want to run around like crack fiends and also lose

[hasty cliff]

The psyker flames make my eyes hurt enough already, I don’t need a casino slot machine giving me notifications every second on top of that.

[hasty cliff]

Randoms are perfectly fine in havoc.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-looking-for-who-asked-who-asked-meme-did-i-ask-searching-finding-gif-26259890

lol they clearly are not

[hasty cliff]

That’s how I got to 40 these past few seasons anyways.

[candid temple]

randoms are like life

[hasty cliff]

Skill issue I guess, or just bad luck of the draw.

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes

[candid temple]

a box of chocolates

[ripe obsidian]

I have also gotten H40 with randoms every time

[candid temple]

could be filled with perfectly tasty ones

[hasty cliff]

My man!

[candid temple]

or it could be marmelade shit

[ripe obsidian]

I've also True Survivor'd half a dozen times with randoms. It's far from impossible. But it's often uncoordinated in both play and builds

[dry oar]

Why do so few psykers run fire staff?

[ripe obsidian]

And this season of H40 in particular punishes the lack of coordination

[candid temple]

makes game easy

[ripe obsidian]

...at what difficulty?

[dry oar]

Damnation and up

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc is 95% inferno staff

[hasty cliff]

This season just punishes, period lmao. Absolute suffering, thank god I’m done with all the havoc penances and never have to come back.

[dry oar]

Ah, that'd make sense

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno gets stronger the more health and density enemies have

Infinite cleave that takes a few seconds to scale up

So if enemies die too quickly, or if there are too few of them, Inferno loses value

[dry oar]

An odd thing for a horde shooter, but I suppose it makes some sense. Blaze away just melts anything caught in the flame, half charged secondary fire just shreds everything within 2-3 ticks

[tulip kettle]

.... not really

[dry oar]

Wym? Isn't less enemies better for everyone?

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, more enemies means more talent/blessing procs

And most enemies are very easily managed

In Auric and below, I find that Inferno is just too slow to feel useful. Significantly fewer chances to stand or kite backward while spewing fire

[dry oar]

You can dodge while spraying though?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, that's the kiting backward

I rarely need to do so in Auric and below

[tulip kettle]

no im saying your assessment of the mechanics is incorrect. blaze away is good sure but you can see in the clip above is where soulblaze truly shines and its due to the insane density of high HP carapace enemies and stacking uncanny with it thats its meta

[ripe obsidian]

just constantly pushing forward

[tulip kettle]

and like six said in auric and below everything is just already dead

[dry oar]

What is uncanny? Perk? Mastery?

Or am I slow

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny Strike

[tulip kettle]

its a blessing on some melee weapons

[ripe obsidian]

Melee blessing, +rending on weakspot hit

Force sword push attack is a guaranteed weakspot hit because ???

So it's super safe and easy to stack

And it applies to existing Soulblaze

[dry oar]

That's.... lame

[candid temple]

dots not snapshotting buffs when cast is honestly such a wild choice to me

[dry oar]

Is that intended or just jank?

[tulip kettle]

that doesnt make any sense

its intended and its nonsensical to suggest "dots snapshotting buffs when cast"

either buffs apply, or they dont are your choices

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny + Superiority on force sword takes 31 soulblaze stacks from 42 damage per tick to... approximately 750

[dry oar]

Dawg 💀

[candid temple]

In most games I've played, dots have generally snapshotted buffs and ticked for that damage for the duration.

[tulip kettle]

right but dots dont work like that in this game

in that, they change due to stack counts

its not like, "fire does this much damage, bleed does this much damage"

[candid temple]

Yeah and it's wild to me that you can swap to a different weapon to get its buff to apply to dots that are already on the target 😄

[tulip kettle]

right but that applies to everything not just DoTs

its a core mechanic of the game

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny probably shouldn't apply to non-melee damage.

[dry oar]

Rending affects all incoming dmg no?

[tulip kettle]

right but yes it should, actually

its rending not brittleness

its a buff to yourself not a debuff to enemies

if you have a buff, you have that buff

[ripe obsidian]

I remember someone in here saying that Psykers are bad at killing crushers a couple weeks ago. I just tested light attack spam only on deimos and did 1250 DPS with no prestacking of buffs (I think)

[candid temple]

1250 is kinda mid these days though?

[tulip kettle]

no thats incorrect

[ripe obsidian]

2300 same scenario weaving in H2

[candid temple]

2300 is pretty decent

[tulip kettle]

with no buffs deimos lights do less than 200 dmg to carapace.

[ripe obsidian]

It's not bad for mindlessly spamming light attack with deimos

[ripe obsidian]

Prestacking

As in, I didn't build up buffs beforehand

[tulip kettle]

right so you do have a buff

[ripe obsidian]

some basic prestacking of buffs, not trying very hard, gets me to 1650-1700 DPS with just light spam

[dry oar]

Speaking of crushers, they count as ogryn right? Or just carapace?

[tulip kettle]

right?...

thats very low

[ripe obsidian]

1700 DPS on a crusher spamming light attack is not really low, imo

[candid temple]

in a world where asm, fgs, psword do 3000-6000?

[tulip kettle]

it really is

[ripe obsidian]

4000 DPS when I got a crit on H2

[tulip kettle]

yes

[candid temple]

well

light means macroable with swaps

[ripe obsidian]

2 crits got me 6000 DPS, ha

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not macroing L1

[candid temple]

Yes, I get it.

[ripe obsidian]

That would be like 4000+

[tulip kettle]

so, your weapon that is specifically designed to do single target dmg, with +25% to carapace and stacking the strongest rending buff in the game, on a crit, on a heavy attck with a high finesse modifier, does half a crushers HP

[candid temple]

I'm saying that if you did

[tulip kettle]

thats just, normal.

every class can do that or better

try stacking buffs on vet and using a thrust DS4

[ripe obsidian]

For what it's worth, these are H40 crushers, so 3000 damage is about 1/3 HP

[tulip kettle]

...

okay so im a bit confused if im honest six, whats the point here? that psyker deimos attacks are OP?

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't have a particular point. I just thought it was fun.

Since I was playing around with damage between non-uncanny/superiority and with

the damage increase is pretty goofy

[tulip kettle]

right, as it should be

and as i know you know, you dont see the same increases against other ADMs. so essentially, rending is good vs carapace and carapace is hard to kill without it

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I think the ADMs in their current state are not healthy

When only carapace provides any meaningful difference in builds

[tulip kettle]

i also kind of agree on that point

i also think that the current state of H40 gameplay is a problem because of this

and i also think that if you remove these mechanics, the game in its current state becomes unplayable

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, it's not a simple fix

I think there would need to be significant rebalancing of enemies, weapons, everything

[tulip kettle]

uncanny strike single handedly allows the game to function still

[ripe obsidian]

Removing uncanny means every team of regular (non-Ainz level) players would be Psyker for horde clear and 3 people focused on crusher killing

Well, more than it already is.

[tulip kettle]

and yet, look at the clip i posted

[ripe obsidian]

Skill level of players is a different issue

[tulip kettle]

2 krak vets and a rending flame zealot and what did they do? killed 3 shotgunners and 2 crushers with kraks in the time i killed 36 armoured healing enemies

[ripe obsidian]

Target priority is hard for many people in the madness of H40

[tulip kettle]

you just cannot deal with the level of armour density without this

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, in half my games I'm alternating between horde clear, crusher killing, and hunting the special waves coming from the back--all while my team plays lawnmower with the mixed horde (that is already burning to death)

[tulip kettle]

oh i know

[strong gulch]

But I like hitting the dead things. They flop funny.

(it's not a skissue)

[tulip kettle]

and im tbh just salty that no matter how much im doing in these games i cannot literally solo the entire game with randoms and at some point im going to make a mistake and then die and then we lose

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah.

I nearly lost a game today when I misjudged a sniper shot and died

And my team had a hell of a time getting to the respawn

[tulip kettle]

at least they did it

[ripe obsidian]

Progress stalled for like 10 minutes

[tulip kettle]

im not being a dick but aside from fucking around with ainz earlier and playing a few with chaos at the start of the week, i have not won any games in the past 4 days that werent me literally doing the work of 4 people

and im just sick of it

[ripe obsidian]

I'm still debating between revive speed and toughness on curios. Revive speed is a lot more meaningful when I have to use it, but in many cases I am not the one doing revives. Rather, I am burning things to allow my team to revive.

[tulip kettle]

half the time there is no revives to be done

there are 3 bosses up and everyone folds in seconds and i am not getting revives off when twins and a cspawn and 30 crushers are trying to kill me.

[ripe obsidian]

I have won 2 games and lost 16 in the month of November

[tulip kettle]

oh no dude, personmann says that must be a skill issue

[hasty cliff]

Lmao, you’re still salty about that?

And to clarify, I said it was either that, OR you’ve just been terribly unlucky with randoms.

If you’re going to quote me, do it properly please.

[tulip kettle]

i am salty in general and talking to a player that i play with regularly who i know is at least as skilled as i am. idc about your opinion

[hasty cliff]

Well, you cared enough to bring up my earlier comment for some reason. But go off I guess.

[tulip kettle]

you literally staregryn reacted him

[hasty cliff]

Yeah? That meant that I was in shock by their losing streak. And havoc’s bs this season.

[verbal thistle]

I've won like 5 and lost 50

[hasty cliff]

I didn’t imply that it was a skill issue lmao

Nice way to jump the shark there pal.

[ripe obsidian]

I feel slightly better

[verbal thistle]

lol

[tulip kettle]

if you played the game you would know this is super normal. But for me "its a skill issue or im super unlucky"

im not unlucky and its not a skill issue, and im sick of it

[ripe obsidian]

H40 is brutal this season

[tulip kettle]

that is all

[hasty cliff]

I do play the game lmao. I’ve done the 40 climb since havoc released

[tulip kettle]

we all do it every season.

[hasty cliff]

Yeah, we do. The climb is meant to be annoying.

[tulip kettle]

but its frustrating particularly because the game is actually not that hard, due to the mechanics we were discussing. It just requires being disciplined and playing correctly as a team. Something that i cannot find in 90% of the games i play. Thats whats annoying

[hasty cliff]

Anyone would find that annoying, but that’s just how it is sometimes.

It is what it is. It’ll get better eventually.

Lamenting about it does nothing to increase the quality of your teammates. But I get it.

[tulip kettle]

and this all started with me just posting a clip of a prime example, to blow off some steam with people that i talk to about and play the game with regularly.

[dry oar]

So what I've gathered so far is you need 4 uncanny flame psykers to reach H40.

[hasty cliff]

And at the end of the day, it’s just a game. No need to be frustrated about it.

[tulip kettle]

no you need exactly 1 uncanny flame psyker and 3 players who are willing to be disciplined and perform their role

[strong gulch]

Lamenting can be useful.

[hasty cliff]

Literally nothing matters for havoc anymore once you complete all the penances for it. That’s why I’m not gonna bother to torture myself with some seasonal bs that resets every few months.

[tulip kettle]

what matters is assignment 40

and i am so tired of getting to 39 this season and then ending up back at 30 and rinse repeat ad finitum

[strong gulch]

If the place or thing that you are trying to enjoy isn't, it's valid to feel frustrated.

[hasty cliff]

It’s just a funny number in a screen man. It means nothing. You don’t have to torture yourself with the grind.

[tulip kettle]

i enjoy playing the game. I would enjoy it more if i didnt have to care about winning every time.

[prime elk]

I just play auric

[tulip kettle]

auric is not challenging and havoc is fun, but i dont get to just fuck around and have fun in havoc while this grnd exists

[prime elk]

Auric is fun with fuckwits

[strong gulch]

More people with H40 assignments does give us more H40 options, which is nice.

[prime elk]

I always queue with randos

[tulip kettle]

yeah i try to play auric and its fun with the homies but its boring otherwise

[prime elk]

Nah can’t play with friends. Gets too easy.

[tulip kettle]

is already too easy

[prime elk]

Need to play with bots and pubbies

Then it’s fun

PvPvE experience

[hasty cliff]

The grind will never end man. It’s a Sisyphean cycle. You’re literally just frustrating yourself for nothing.

[tulip kettle]

its fun to push bursters at beans until he explodes them in my face

[hasty cliff]

I genuinely could care less if someone has a 40 as their havoc rank. It means literally nothing.

[tulip kettle]

i have 40 clear i clear them literally eveyr day thats not the point, i want assignment 40

[strong gulch]

If there wasn't deranking, the grind would be better. Would allow for more creative builds and fecking around.

If you can't play for a week, you shouldn't be punished.

[tulip kettle]

which requires winning a large number of games in a row, which does not happen with randoms

[hasty cliff]

That’s all well and good, but what’s the point if it’s just going to reset in a few months?

[tulip kettle]

so that i can queue as many 40 games as i want and not care about winning