@tulip kettle you remembered right. id assume the slide uppercut has the same profile. gotta start sliding into all horde clear engagements now since it combos into the other uppercut haha
#psyker-class
wind spruce
tulip kettle
nice 
me no stupids
sounds like a bubble knight user to me - is good build
its just, melee scriers build but with bubble instead of scriers. very good for Havoc gaming
so, what is the go to horde clear for obscuras? L1 - H2 - cancel - loop?
i cant see anything else that seems like it would be good
also, so many uppercuts, me no likey 🙁
daring nexus
so, what is the go to horde clear for obscuras? L1 - H2 - cancel - loop?
That’s what I do
tulip kettle
im finding even with max DD stacks and max SG i cant get a 3 hit combo on crushers
AH i dont have uncanny on this obscuras im testing my b
okay yeah its ok but feels very scary trying to land all 3 before i get flattened
tulip kettle
i mean i think deimos does more dmg on the attacks
you just lose huge DPS because they are on the floor
daring nexus
Demos is still much better on mutant too
tulip kettle
i think deimos is also really good for when you quick swap to it to stab a dog/flamer etc
that lil poke 1 hitting them is great
quiet inlet
so, what is the go to horde clear for obscuras? L1 - H2 - cancel - loop?
No cancel, I don't think. Heavy 2 goes into light 2
tulip kettle
yeah but l2 is vertical
quiet inlet
I find you have to generally pivot left tho. You have an open spot on the right side
tulip kettle
only L1 is a cleaving diagonal
and its not accessible until after L4
so to get a good loop you need to cancel it
quiet inlet
I'll log in and see what I do
tulip kettle
oh wait its an uppercut
yeah thats gonna be a no from me, im very bad you see
super quick test showed L1-H2-cancel is faster into trash than Light Heavy loop but it was far from scientific
quiet inlet
Also to be fair, I'm very persnickety about fighting
I hate just doing one 3 hit comob on a loop
strong gulch
Yeah. I can't even spectate ninja. So much movement and camera swings. I can't even.
I do wish I was better at fighting, ngl.
quiet inlet
heavy sword has the awesome cheating "strikedown" uppercut
but uppercuts are wonky as fuck, so there's that
but it has high cleave and damage, you just have to swing the camera and you can get up to about 4 target
tulip kettle
seems to me that the obscuras combo H L H is much, much better than H L L, the light stab is about 1/4 the dmg of the Heavy. and i will also say
the uppercut on obscuras just straight up misses heads for no reason
i am literally aiming directly above the crushers head for it and i get a random non weakspot hit for seemingly no reason
no likey
tulip kettle
I do wish I was better at fighting, ngl.
you always do great when we play. recently i have tried to slow down and be more deliberate, trying not to panic and just, only watching the enemies that are actively attacking me instead of being like "aaaaah theres 12 crushers in front of me"
few times i have been in a room with loads of armour and walked away from it with no issues because i just concentrate on whats actually attacking / in a slot instead of whats waiting just behind
strong gulch
Right
I am sometimes good at that and sometimes not.
Like remembering the slot system vs panic vs "I can see the code and I know what's coming".
It's like big clear brains instead of "I think I have crainial swelling".
tulip kettle
it works until it doesnt 
"i see the code, i know whats about to happen" is me on a really good day
i feel like neo when he just starts seeing green numbers
strong gulch
EXACTLY
tulip kettle
mostly im just " WILL THE SWORD BITCH PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE, JESUS CHRIST"
strong gulch
this random drip is good
tulip kettle
forkius fourpius
tulip kettle
the reds really go on the second one, i like it
red gold and black combo looks great
zealous wing
just launched the game 
tulip kettle
ye i can do a lil one before bed
atomic swan
zealous wing
if we can get a fourth non-random i'll try my poor hopeless vet
tulip kettle
sienna at home
plucky flax
Cheat how?
brazen warren
tulip kettle
Cheat how?
was dodging like 20m at a time, shooting stuff through walls before we went through airlock, etc
spawned a sniper through a door like 30m away from me, it never aimed at anyone or anything, i saw it and watched it, he just did a 180 and shot it from about 70m away in a fraction of a second without ever seeing it
rotund fable
was dodging like 20m at a time, shooting stuff through walls before we went thro...
Dang... craziest cheater I ever matched with was a guy who was shooting assail darts out of his IAG, and having each dart proc kinetic resonance...
man was active for all of 2 minutes before suddenly disconnecting
true epoch
Did Wildfire get fixed, or does it still only spread 4 stacks total?
brazen warren
not sure
verbal thistle
Did Wildfire get fixed, or does it still only spread 4 stacks total?
4 stacks total
The amount of Soulblaze stacks that is spread depends on the amount of Soulblaze stacks on the dying enemy: If the enemy dies with 1 stack, no spread; if dying with 2 stacks, 2 stacks will spread; if dying with 3 stacks, 3 stacks will spread; if dying with 4 stacks, 4 stacks will spread; if dying with more than 4 stacks, only 4 stacks will spread.
make sure to check out Kuli's guide on steam if you have any questons
the full text
plucky flax
was dodging like 20m at a time, shooting stuff through walls before we went thro...
Super speed and aimbot? I didn't know changing server side stat was possible
fiery stratus
Frontlining with force greatsword. Xbox psyker gets trapped probably 6 times, finally dies. "we're doing pretty good but you should try to stick with the team" -The rest of the team waaay ahead 
nocturne wasp
You really had to post that in 2 separate chats?
fiery stratus
yes
nocturne wasp
🇼
tulip kettle
auric gaming
tulip kettle
Super speed and aimbot? I didn't know changing server side stat was possible
idk if its aimbot or some kind of wallhack/6th sense mod or something but it was super obvious, especially doing it through the airlock doors. and the dodging was dumb, they didnt run fast but dodged ridiculously far and instantly
like just doing dodge animation but further than from one side of an airlock t the other
and it happens almost instantly
plucky flax
I play arby for free wallhack we're not the same
tulip kettle
and his name, btw, was "cheat engine user"
zealous wing
@strong gulch @tulip kettle ty for the couple games :D
plucky flax
Hmm so there's a way to change stats server side
tulip kettle
maybe idk, i guess his client is just reporting his position as somewhere else
think the game is also client authoritative, as you can send packets that say "i dodged this" or "i hit that" and they are accepted
apparently
some guy was saying about a cheat he got banned for than tells the server you blocked every attack so you cant get hit in melee ever
plucky flax
Based
weary idol
think the game is also client authoritative, as you can send packets that say "i...
god I fucking wish
enough time spent using infantry lasgun or helbore will tell you that is not the case
you'll be hearing the headshot sound every time you pull the trigger but that basic shooter is simply built different apparently
actually helbore not anymore since they made its hitscan bigger so just infantry lasgun and laspistol
tulip kettle
i dont know either way but i know what i saw, and ive not suspected someone of literally cheating before but this was kinda obvious. I know it was more common when the game launched to have speed cheaters and such. I guess if you dont try and do something that isnt possible, like having infinite health or infinite ammo, theres no real reason you wouldnt be able to have the client report your location as elsewhere or whatever. And as for hit reg issues, that doesnt really prove either way how the server and client work with each other. Idk all i know is it looked really obvious when we are stood in an airlock and he's filling the killfeed shooting through the door on shout vet with a helbore.
strong gulch
@tulip kettle @zealous wing behold
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0463a0b-6cf9-495e-8419-8693aa8c3fc1/goofy-pocket-cc
plucky flax
Dom how come you no sleep?
summer prairie
meanwhile I told backup158 a few months ago that he could include my patch
though he is right that you can't separate regular bb damage from kf procs but I doubt that matters for the guy
plucky flax
Just continue to post your patch here.
We played excise vault last night and there was no bugged rituals.
Maybe it's fixed.
Well one ritual one of the cultist is warped to the platform above.
But it's no big deal.
Nothing triggered from miles away.
summer prairie
Someone posted a bug report about the Excise vault ritual though
plucky flax
Maybe we got lucky again. 
summer prairie
His description is weird though
royal totem
i can say that a ritual is still bugged in power matrix
plucky flax
Is it at the drop?
tulip kettle
Dom how come you no sleep?
i have prescription meds that make me have pretty bad insomnia so i just snooze a few hours at a time when i can. Its better that i take the meds and sleep badly than be a crazy person 🙃 and yeah i have played a few rituals now and have seen no real bugs beyond magic guy above the floor on excise vault
tulip kettle
and yeah, sure, but also, you are just better
verbal thistle
fair point
tulip kettle
if you kill twice as much as everyone else its not too surprising you get more dmg and stuff
royal totem
Is it at the drop?
it's after a drop
verbal thistle
but counter, no class should be this tanky and have this much damage
plucky flax
Arby?
verbal thistle
psyker
tulip kettle
chaos gets more dmg than me when im playing psyker and he is playing arby
verbal thistle
PA getting that buff was so weird
plucky flax
Arby is decently tanky with good damage
tulip kettle
also, being dead significantly lowers your dmg and being the last guy alive significantly increases it
deft stump
chaos gets more dmg than me when im playing psyker and he is playing arby
That's just Chaos.
plucky flax
Vet is squishy when not yellow toughness and good damage
tulip kettle
if you track damage over the course of the game, its really noticeable that you do more dmg the less players alive there are
which is kinda weird
plucky flax
That's just Chaos.
Never heard of him
plucky flax
also, being dead significantly lowers your dmg and being the last guy alive sign...
The trick is to only die when the spawn is really close
No dps loss
tulip kettle
always teaching me new things 
i will try to die closer to spawn points
i thought i did ok at dying earlier near the med pack to help you guys
deft stump
Never heard of him
Is you, reeeeeeeeeeee
plucky flax
always teaching me new things <:Prayers:1289377861601591306>
I can probably play 1 or 2 rounds.
If you want
deft stump
If you want
Is Dom 40?
tulip kettle
is a bit early for you no? and nah im 36 again, been on the rollercoaster from 34 to 39 to 32 to 36 in the last 24 hrs
deft stump
is a bit early for you no? and nah im 36 again, been on the rollercoaster from 3...
Is 3:14pm.
plucky flax
Ye I am going to play a bit before my t rip.
tulip kettle
literal heretic purging addict
deft stump
I woke blind cos specs broke. I now am dizzy cos backup is circular lenses.
tulip kettle
oh that sucks
i dont have glasses, didnt know that the shape of them had effects i thought it was just like, the magnification or focussing or whatever
deft stump
The focus is different even with the same degree.
tulip kettle
Ye I am going to play a bit before my t rip.
and ye i will play 1 before you go
then i go snooze for a few hours win or lose
deft stump
Even if that is batshit insanely high.
tulip kettle
you are lik, blind without them i guess
tulip kettle
i have no reference for what that means tbh, is higher number worse vision?
deft stump
Yes.
300+ is Myopia.
Avg old ppl who don't need glasses is like 250.
I'm straight in the thousands which is why glasses are expensive.
tulip kettle
and people with perfect vision would be 0?
deft stump
More or less.
tulip kettle
and does it mean you can see stuff like, really, really close to you ok still?
like if you put it right in front of your eye
deft stump
1-2 cm infront of eye with a bright screen, yes.
tulip kettle
oh wow
deft stump
Every thing else is a smudge of colour.
Honestly, I think I'm not legally blind because I can still get glasses to fix it.
But when glasses break, whee.
I can muscle memory to childhood optometrist though.
royal totem
Poor Karien
royal totem
Damn 😮
plucky flax
Glasses in sg expensive.
tulip kettle
yeah thats obscene
deft stump
Price of a monopoly and custom lenses.
tulip kettle
yeah i saw a documentary about it
plucky flax
Mine is like $150 including frames.
tulip kettle
glasses should be like $50 or less but they all made by one company
so they charge whatever they want
deft stump
Mine is like $150 including frames.
That's the cheaper frame prices.
Most of the cost is the lenses...
Joke is, the frame snaps.
But lenses can't be reused unless they still carry the same frame model.
Is literally why the last one, the current and the backup all are the same degree but the lens shape makes them unreusable.
royal totem
My glasses are like 400 ._.
plucky flax
@tulip kettle of all classes this guy choose to go on vet when I am already on it.
'I got all' my fucking ass.
tulip kettle
-.-
plucky flax
Nvm he's switching again.
tulip kettle
clear 37
plucky flax
ADHD guy.
tulip kettle
im sure it will go well.
deft stump
My glasses are like 400 ._.
Yep. Blind as a bat. Also no night vision.
plucky flax
I'm getting lasered.
deft stump
I muscle memory around the house like a blind.
plucky flax
Maybe next year or in 27.
deft stump
Maybe next year or in 27.
Aunt passed, we can't afford it.
plucky flax
Oh yeah.
I can see into the future.
I have not decided what type for me.
I guess I'll go see the eyes people and see which one is suitable for me.
I like the ones where they cut my eyes open and put lenses in though.
Cyberware ahh shyt
deft stump
I rather bioware or close to. Fix the connections, make it better.
tulip kettle
royal totem
Im too used to wearing glasses
royal totem
Im not me without glasses
deft stump
I think I look better without glasses.
Need proof.
royal totem
I look like an ogryn with or without glasses ._.
plucky flax
Need proof.
Show me your face ill show mine
strong gulch
My nose is smol. Glasses just want to slide down.
deft stump
Show me your face ill show mine
Vid call in DMs?
plucky flax
Vid call in DMs?
I dont have webcam i can just send selfie
tulip kettle
was my fault apparently
i am busy dealing with gunners and suddenly the whole floor is on fire
deft stump
I dont have webcam i can just send selfie
If you have a smartphone from the last 10 years...
I think even my S4 can cam on Whatsapp.
Will be arse quality.
strong gulch
Glasses are hit or miss for me in terms of me liking them. I like the way they look and how they cut my blush when I wear it.
I don't like the way they feel, the sliding, the sore spots, the constant cleaning, etc.
deft stump
Discord doesn't support S4 anymore.
deft stump
My nose is smol. Glasses just want to slide down.
Glasses do that even with bigger noses. Think it's more shape than size.
royal totem
Nose very large. I still have a dogshit sense of smell
plucky flax
This zealot kind of sucked I didn't see any book at all.
deft stump
This zealot kind of sucked I didn't see any book at all.
I guess we did get lucky last night.
plucky flax
I guess we did get lucky last night.
Last night zealot in our game was really good.
deft stump
Last night zealot in our game was really good.
I know, both were.
royal totem
You need Karien
deft stump
I'm also oily.
Is always 30 degrees cel here.
radiant frigate
Is always 30 degrees cel here.
Death
royal totem
I need Karien carry
radiant frigate
It hit 37 one day lul.
cosmic sigil
Carryen
tulip kettle
i dont feel like losing more with these guys
plucky flax
Imo you were fighting in the wrong spot there.
You went too far up the ramp into the fork.
Should stay at the ramp so you can flame enemies from both forks.
tulip kettle
ogryn was there i followed him
plucky flax
Okay fair.
plucky flax
Mr multiclass requesting to join on psyker without toughness regen bubble. 
tulip kettle
then when we go forward plogryn has me and i cant keep up, it bumps me away when you ping to go back and thats it
i dont think i am the issue at all
plucky flax
Why's why you stay with me and not with a random guy.
worthy wasp
Theyre announcing a new class for DT in November right?
summer prairie
next week
plucky flax
Ganger or some techy guy.
worthy wasp
Ye, adeptus mechanicus would make sense
dusk wren
that's the most obvious one
worthy wasp
Skitarii Vanguard or Ranger
dusk wren
i think it would just be an engipriest
worthy wasp
Idk what else would make sense
deft stump
We know what would sell the most though.
Or felinids.
radiant frigate
Some sororitas for the gooners. (me)
indeed but how do we differentiate them from zealot?
tulip kettle
i mean only really the repentia are kind of like zealot
and they wont ever put repentia in, too grimdark
and they cant put actual sisters in, because power armour
rangers or vanguard dont make sense due to lore reasons
and techpriest enginseers definitely not, too high rank
if its ad mech its realistically going to be a tech adept, or a literal servitor imo. but im starting to think maybe its not ad mech at all, unfortunately
worthy wasp
rangers or vanguard dont make sense due to lore reasons
Think they could make it make sense like they did with Arbites and the dog?
tulip kettle
well arbites has been made to make sense in the lore of the story
but the thing is, ad mech lore is kinda weird
skitarii dont belong to anyone except their own forge world
they wouldnt be subservient to the imperium
but currently hadron is treated like some minor servant when in actual 40k lore she outranks and is more powerful than every character we have met
radiant frigate
i mean only really the repentia are kind of like zealot
i suppose but both also like to employ flamers and bolters a lot, and chain/power swords
seems to be there would be huge overlap
tulip kettle
and sisters themselves, i just cant see them adding anything with power armour without breaking power scaling completely
plus then they would need to complete the holy trinity and add melta guns
which i would love but idk if they will do
radiant frigate
just bigly chainsword
plus we already got Diet Repentia™
tulip kettle
though, miracles could be a cool flavour mechanic.
tulip kettle
plus we already got Diet Repentia™
and yeah exactly thats essentially what the zealot is
radiant frigate
by using The Homeless Collection: Zealot Edition and eviscerator
tulip kettle
repentia lite
radiant frigate
and the appropriate hairstyle and fleur-de-lys
worthy wasp
What classes are we missing from VT2?
Feel like what classes we have in DT are reminiscent of classes that exist in VT2
tulip kettle
summoner class
which could kind of make sense with ad mech, but then you have the issue of lore and power scaling
my dream would be a data smith with kastelan
summon the murder robots
worthy wasp
We kinda got that with dog
tulip kettle
plus ad mech gives loads of cool new unique weapons to add
dusk wren
commissar class
tulip kettle
taser goads, transonic razors etc
long saddle
john darktide class
tulip kettle
i think arbites is already pretty "i am the law and you will obey" coded
dusk wren
yeah but they don't usually shoot their subordinates
tulip kettle
wdym they do that shit all the time
dusk wren
or get "accidentally" shot for being ass
radiant frigate
nobody is shooting a comissar
except that one time the death korps executed a commissar for cowardice
"fym you're not charging with us?"
dusk wren
commissar have a surprising amount of deaths due to enemy snipers and other sharpshooter that shoot them behind their back
tulip kettle
not really
shooting a comissar s the sort of thing you do if you have no intention of ever being involved with the imperium again
or being alive
radiant frigate
shooting a comissar s the sort of thing you do if you have no intention of ever ...
that reminds me of a webcomic type thing
where a guardsman about to bleed out uses their last shot to kill a commissar (and then gets taken in by the t'au)
tulip kettle
yeah thats the sort of thing that might happen, and i guess they were really lucky not to be captured by any imperials
guevesa is a pretty good life as things go for humans
but even that has been retconned pretty hard by GW
tau arent nearly as "good guy" ish as they were 15 years ago
long saddle
another good comic, speaking of commissars
dusk wren
can't have shit in the grim future
tulip kettle
another good comic, speaking of commissars
and then the guardsman and his entire regiment are executed anyway
thats literally, quite literally, the backstory of darktide
long saddle
well not for morrow
dusk wren
yeah should have waited to do it when they were in battle
tulip kettle
except they are now the moebian 6th and, you know, chaos worshippers
they did do it in battle
wolfer shoots the commisar
and now they are all chaos worshippers
dusk wren
oh right they were fighting in the mortis tranmission
dusk wren
they could have just shot him and forge evidence of an enemy sniper
they probably wanted to turn traitor anyway because fuck the empire
tulip kettle
everything is being recorded all the time, cant get away with that shit
obtuse dome
Catachan jungle fighters are notorious for „fragging“ their comissars
long saddle
fragging only works if they do nothing because they don't know who did it
and ye it's vietnam coded
tulip kettle
sly marbo lul
obtuse dome
They do it if the comissars try to boss them around
They aint having that beta shit lol
tulip kettle
its just a riff on vietnam war stuff and nothing more
dusk wren
you'd think they'd stop assigning commissars to them as some point
tulip kettle
plus catachans are pretty fking minor in the lore as it goes, and are also basically non existent in the lore for the past like, 20 years
obtuse dome
you'd think they'd stop assigning commissars to them as some point
They only kill those who suck
Aka not worthy of commanding them
tulip kettle
the only thing less significant than catachans are fucking felinids
dusk wren
right the catgirls
tulip kettle
hurr durr mentioned once in a book nearly 30 years ago
dusk wren
and the beastmen
obtuse dome
Felinids are bait for the furrys
tulip kettle
they come from one minor planet and have been involved in precisely zero significant events
they arent
they literally arent
the felinids have almost no presence in 40k canon and are an entire fabrication by the furries
obtuse dome
I figured lol
tulip kettle
its not an exagaration to say they were a passing throw away line in one single codex book 30 years ago
dusk wren
doesn't the psyker get a line about them
tulip kettle
like, this is a picture of a certain part of the galaxy with a bunch of worlds labelled, one of the worlds is labelled as being home to the felinid species of abhumans
thats it
thats the extent of the lore
no images, no descriptions, no stories, no characters, nothing
dusk wren
also yeah almost every abhuman except ogryns are pretty much ignored now
you can feel the old stuff's coming from warhammer fantasy
rigid sky
Sometimes you care more about your buddies who the commissar is feeding into the meatgrinder, than you do your own safety.
umbral atlas
is there any meta for what the second blessing on dueling sword should be? On a scrier's gaze build if that matters
rigid sky
A particularly mad commissar is getting you all killed anyway
rigid sky
is there any meta for what the second blessing on dueling sword should be? On a...
I like riposte
tulip kettle
is there any meta for what the second blessing on dueling sword should be? On a...
not "meta", but its always uncanny, then your choice of shred/precog/agile
dusk wren
well what's the first
umbral atlas
Riposte, precog, shred and thrust all look good but I'm not sure if one is better for certain builds just based on like crit thresholds and such...
rigid sky
I kinda don't like thrust on it
dusk wren
i think thrust is pretty bad
rigid sky
I kinda don't like thrust in general outside of Crunch builds on ogryn
and thunder hammer
tulip kettle
yeah its pretty much - do i want crits? then choose a crit blessing
umbral atlas
Agile that's a weird one, is that new? I feel like I've never noticed it before
tulip kettle
which you choose is preference
agile used to be shit on
now it gives damage and infinite dodges
so its not bad at all
umbral atlas
I kinda like thrust because I do like the heavy poke so much but I don't know if its actually good numbers-wise
dusk wren
how much do you actually charge that tho
tulip kettle
thrust is good on vet for breakpoints but on psyker you dont reach any new breakpoints with thrust
umbral atlas
is 5% weakspot damage the same as 5% finesse?
umbral atlas
thrust is good on vet for breakpoints but on psyker you dont reach any new break...
yeah thats the thing, I have no idea what breakpoints are especially post rebalance
long saddle
weakspot dmg is bait
tulip kettle
its 10% for agile, and its not an amazing dmg buff, it literally just increases the weakspot bonus by 10%
but its not nothing
and you get infinite dodges
long saddle
you do it for the dodges
umbral atlas
Oh finesse is crit damage, I thought it was weakspot damage. Well, then maybe that would be best for psyker since they get so much crit from talents?
dusk wren
finesse is both
tulip kettle
so if you dont care about crit and want more mobility and survivability, take agile
dusk wren
crit and weakspot damage
tulip kettle
if you want crits, choose your preference of crit blessing
umbral atlas
I want to do precog but like I've noticed this game can be finnicky as to what counts as a successful dodge
tulip kettle
yup
dusk wren
i mean
tulip kettle
thats why many people, myself included, prefer shred
long saddle
its gotta dodge an attack that'd hit you
dusk wren
with duelling sword you have such meh horde material and so much dodge you will enable it very fast
umbral atlas
shred seems pretty universal
tulip kettle
shred is just - bonk to activate
long saddle
and not miss
tulip kettle
ou know its gonna work when in combat
yeah i mean, dont miss
but even if you do so what
rigid sky
Precog is also super short
tulip kettle
just hit em again
dusk wren
it's pretty hard to miss with the duelling sword
rigid sky
I like riposte because it lasts a lot longer
and I tend not to keep the DS out for a long time
dusk wren
i also prefer riposte over precog
rigid sky
so not much time to build shred
umbral atlas
Yeah, I'm thinking shred or precog now. Precog over riposte because I think all the scrier's gaze buff to crit chance will make finesse scale better than even more crit
dusk wren
tho i wouldn't use duelling sword on scrier in the first place
rigid sky
The way I see riposte, it's that it means that you get drastically fewer whiffs
it's not about dps at that point, it's more about reliability
tulip kettle
this is also true, why DS on scriers when FGS is right there
umbral atlas
I guess yeah, if I'm already hitting breakpoints with crits precog might not matter much
Gunker
tulip kettle
yeah i mean, just FGS
rigid sky
I'm using FGS6 instead, and with SG/DD stuff I'm oneshotting crushers with the poke
it's just slower to swing
tulip kettle
just better in every way tbh
rigid sky
if you want an alternative
tulip kettle
except mobility
rigid sky
idk if better in every way
umbral atlas
Right now I'm using dueling sword and heavy pistol with assail for pumping peril, its very much a 'left click on heads' build
rigid sky
FGS is slower to swing
dusk wren
i think it has worse single target damage
rigid sky
and worse dodges
tulip kettle
it definitely does not have worse single target
tulip kettle
FGS will comfortably 2 shot crushers with scriers builds
duelling sword cant one shot
proper osprey
I like the fgs but i can’t stand it’s dodges
radiant frigate
fgs is epic
rigid sky
Genuinely, you can do it in 1
umbral atlas
Dueling sword is OP in general, but I'm leveling alts so I'm letting myself have fun with it. Switched back after I realized how many revolver headshots it takes to kill crushers now
rigid sky
at least on auric
dusk wren
with the time it takes you to do those 2 shots, the DS can probably do it much faster with the stabs
even if they are more stabs
radiant frigate
I like the fgs but i can’t stand it’s dodges
if your ears weren't so goddamn massive the dodges would be fine
rigid sky
25 stacks of DD and SG active
umbral atlas
And yeah, I think I like the FGS more with like bubble builds I guess
rigid sky
that force sword could cut a titan in half
proper osprey
I wanna get back into the groove of fgs but guh I love tac axe too much
tulip kettle
do you mean with FGS? and yeah the dodges arent great but thats why anticipation
long saddle
tac axe doesn't feel good enough on non-zealots imo
proper osprey
do you mean with FGS? and yeah the dodges arent great but thats why anticipation
I suppose I could drop owtw
rigid sky
Tbh skip anticipation
proper osprey
tac axe doesn't feel good enough on non-zealots imo
It’s now a beast on vet
rigid sky
FGS doesn't have to dodge as much
tulip kettle
tbh no, you are wrong
proper osprey
And on psyker
long saddle
im not saying it's not good enough
proper osprey
And Arby
dusk wren
also if this is gunker with melee, you are prob talent starved
tulip kettle
anticipation takes FGS from good to holy shit balls this is awesome
long saddle
I just don't like the feel on non-zealot
rigid sky
The attack speed talent does that
umbral atlas
I've never understood the tax axe appeal, it just seems like a worse option compared to knife or dueling sword
now the RASHAD is my baby tho
rigid sky
I've never understood the tax axe appeal, it just seems like a worse option comp...
It's wonderful on zealot
tulip kettle
mr serval cat post your tree
proper osprey
I've never understood the tax axe appeal, it just seems like a worse option comp...
How are you using it or building it
dusk wren
tbh no, you are wrong
nah, just dodge better
rigid sky
And it's really fast
umbral atlas
Rashad with the uh cleave on headshot kill blessing who's name I forget is the most fun to just light spam into hordes
proper osprey
mr serval cat post your tree
rigid sky
Rashad with the uh cleave on headshot kill blessing who's name I forget is the m...
Tac axe feels like the same but with actual combos
umbral atlas
How are you using it or building it
I'm not because I don't see the appeal
rigid sky
It's still lopping off heads like nobody's business
proper osprey
Rashad with the uh cleave on headshot kill blessing who's name I forget is the m...
Naw the tac axe
rigid sky
still has bromentum
dusk wren
also yeah i think tacaxe has better horde material than knife or duelling sword
tulip kettle
yeah you can drop OWTW but i would drop JaD
dusk wren
just remember to get a mod to bind light attack spam on something
umbral atlas
Knife is probably the only weapon I felt was actively lacking in horde clear
tulip kettle
with SG WU you are getting less value from JaD than OWtW
rigid sky
I'm doing HL or Push combos for groups, and LHL loops for single target, on my tac axe 7
umbral atlas
Like bad anti-carapace is crippling, but bad anti-horde is still pretty okay
cosmic cobalt
you need bleed for knife for it to have good horde clear
rigid sky
but I hear that it's wrong
proper osprey
yeah you can drop OWTW but i would drop JaD
I feel like they bare both interchangeable
cosmic cobalt
jad is straight up better
tulip kettle
OWTW works at 100% peril
rigid sky
I think the knife has surprisingly good cleave
tulip kettle
and JaD does not
rigid sky
it's just you have to really swing the camera around
it's short arcs that can theoretically touch a lot of targets, if you don't mind exhausting yourself
umbral atlas
And yeah, I guess I don't even look at the axe movesets because in my mind axes are just for overhead spam
dusk wren
i don't think it has good cleave
rigid sky
idk I heard it did
umbral atlas
I do gravitate towards fancy combos more on like the FGS though because that uppercut is sick
rigid sky
I couldn't ever get the knife 6 to work though
rigid sky
And yeah, I guess I don't even look at the axe movesets because in my mind axes ...
Rashad and Antax are so simple, and so are the chain axes, but the others are more artsy
umbral atlas
I would only run knife on psyker now if I had a really good anti-carapace ranged slot I think
tulip kettle
I would only run knife on psyker now if I had a really good anti-carapace ranged...
which doesnt exist
rigid sky
I would only run knife on psyker now if I had a really good anti-carapace ranged...
Knife has 100% rending though
umbral atlas
Rashad my himbo axe
cosmic cobalt
antax try not to be dogshit challenge
rigid sky
which doesnt exist
Voidstrike and Voidblast kinda
tulip kettle
nope
proper osprey
If psyker had 10 more attack speed I’d use the Rashad on melee psyker
rigid sky
Before crushers got buffed I was routinely oneshotting crushers with the voidstrike
it was like its only good use lol
umbral atlas
Yeah, like I said I went back to dueling sword on vet first because the ole reliable revolver was really lacking on carapace killing
tulip kettle
it has never been possible to 1 shot crushers with VS
long saddle
what else is there for voidstrike if not crit build
tulip kettle
it used to JUST be possible to 2 shot them with surge double crit
stacking every buff possible
rigid sky
what else is there for voidstrike if not crit build
Transfer and warp flurry
rigid sky
stacking every buff possible
To clarify, I was taking 15 stack DD at the time too
and sometimes even SG
tulip kettle
and that is in no way reliable
rigid sky
DD is reliable
rigid sky
True Aim
rigid sky
farmed off of assail
tulip kettle
the other 5 crushers show you a bad time
rigid sky
just be skilled enough to crit again
you only get normal hits if you suck :)
it's a worse option than just battering them to death with a FGS or Obscurus/Deimos/DS4 don't get me wrong lol
it was more about the vulgar display of power
umbral atlas
I really like the new talent that squashes your passive peril quelling so I don't have to like hyper micro manage my peril to keep it high
tulip kettle
ah yes i am notoriously bad at the game, and was not the first person in this chat to show the 2 shotting crushers with voidstrike in 2023
candid temple
if by battering you mean twoshotting with fgs ? 
rigid sky
I really like the new talent that squashes your passive peril quelling so I don'...
I never leave the mourningstar without it
rigid sky
ah yes i am notoriously bad at the game, and was not the first person in this ch...
I'm just meming you, sibling
Voidstrike's not a good weapon at the moment for all kinds of reasons
tulip kettle
i agree
rigid sky
if by battering you mean twoshotting with fgs ? <a:kek:842384038903152681>
Conditionally, 1-shotting
I do love my 25 stack DD now
tulip kettle
25 stack DD only works if your team is bad
long saddle
granted I haven't tried DD build on voidstrike
tulip kettle
i have tried it much
if your team is good your DD targets will die just before you get to kill them, too often to maintain high stacks
then you go into an airlock and come out on 5 stacks and feel sadge
long saddle
I don't think I tried to weakspot that often with it either
rigid sky
The 5s decay is a LOT better than the 4s one
long saddle
like it's a pain to whiff a fully charged shot
tulip kettle
one day, DD will get buffed to work like EO and then it will be awesome
rigid sky
I always liked the idea but couldn't make it work without LI
tulip kettle
until then i think lingering beats perfectionism in 90% of games
rigid sky
but after it got buffed to 5s
long saddle
what was it before
rigid sky
4s
long saddle
I'm 25 stacks on much fewer builds granted
rigid sky
It's enough for auric
tulip kettle
like i say, all it takes is for those 3 shooters to get killed just before you get them
long saddle
fgs gaming is prob my most common one
tulip kettle
and then youre in a worse spot than lingering
rigid sky
Havoc is a different thing
tulip kettle
if your team is good, perfectionism is bad
rigid sky
I don't have a problem spending bullets on enemies to keep my stacks
tulip kettle
and sometimes DD will go on one thing, but you are just too busy dealing with the spam of specials to get it
rigid sky
25 stacks is strong enough to actually hit the fun factor, which it couldn't before
you'll definitely hit down periods with it
but it's worth it for the addictive power
summer prairie
I get >15 average with perfectionism, maybe 19 or so, even with Agent. Not sure if worth still
summer prairie
Could be higher if I tried harder, probably
long saddle
do most not run CF or because it's still so easy to hit 15 and then just stay there?
I've never felt like it was a taxing node really
tulip kettle
my experience of it is you get high stacks when the density is really high, but if you are playing with multiple people who arent just trying to hide behind you and let you carry them, you wont keep it up all that much
long saddle
ye I think from checking on uptime after some games my average is like 17 or something
summer prairie
I think staying close to 15 with just lingering is harder than staying >15 with perfectionism + CF
rigid sky
Gotta sleep on your toes and when you're on the street
Got to be able to pick up the easy meat, with your eyes closed
tulip kettle
or you play rot armour and there just arent enough enemies to stack it anyway
rigid sky
Havoc is a different world anyway
tulip kettle
like yeah, you get a shotgunner pack and if youre careful about killing them in the correct order you can stack it high quickly
but then you see no shooters for the next 2 minutes and just walls of crushers with the occasional rager that someone else gets the last hit on and your SOOL
summer prairie
just one pack of regular melee enemies gets you to 25 instantly, but when it's a lot of rot you've to sneak some mauler hits to refresh the stacks or shoot at the boss or something
but sure you drop to 0 sometimes
tulip kettle
what melee enemies give DD except ragers and maulers?
rigid sky
bruisers
summer prairie
non-elites
rigid sky
regular shooters
tulip kettle
all the melee trash doesnt give DD
rigid sky
which aren't melee but yeah
summer prairie
horde enemies dont
tulip kettle
they have guns
strong gulch
bruisers, stalkers, and smaller elites
tulip kettle
if they have a gun they give dd
but when its pox and newly infected hordes you dont get any
summer prairie
Valid targets are: Bruisers, Ritualist, Stalkers, Scab Shooter, Ragers, Gunners, Shotgunners, Plasma Gunner, and Mauler
strong gulch
the ones with armor on head or chest or gun for the non elites
rigid sky
Tbh, bruisers and shooters are low priority for other players
they tend to focus more on the elites
tulip kettle
yeah so like i say, in rot armour especially you will go for minutes at a time with the only valid targets being maulers and ragers
rigid sky
I think probably most DD stacks on auric are farmed off of trash
tulip kettle
and then other people get the last hits and you get squat
rigid sky
Again I can't speak for havoc
I can imagine that targets are resistant enough that you can just snap enemies away for free stacks
summer prairie
it's more about refreshing than getting more stacks when it's just maulers/ragers/crushers
though with fgs you definitely get kills
rigid sky
also, you at least refresh your stack just for hitting a blue boy
summer prairie
you can even refresh with your beam
tulip kettle
ahhhh
wooden dagger
wow this channel is super active,, i'm new with psyker, i want to consult about build
tulip kettle
please do, we all enjoy arguing over minutae
rigid sky
wow this channel is super active,, i'm new with psyker, i want to consult about ...
What kind of build are you looking at? Best to start from which ranged you want, and work from there
also what difficulty level, character level
strong gulch
wow this channel is super active,, i'm new with psyker, i want to consult about ...
Hello. Keep chatting and you will get red name role. That will allow you post images.
There is a lot of info in the pins.
wooden dagger
yea i want to play with melee psyker but the builds here mostly they're all different lol especially with the talents and blessing,, can you recommend me with the most optimal? coz im still playing on standard and not havoc yet so maybe i prefer more toward on damage
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds?sort=updated_at&class=2e785dba-f1bf-4b88-adf4-7e6b40592fca&type_melee=9da15560-c928-4b0e-be47-58d6ca5dce94&type_ranged=f251a57c-2da2-4a16-9d44-98acaf4a1bab
rigid sky
I'll share you mine
summer prairie
I guess you could get PC and get some value to have SB ticks refresh
tulip kettle
dont look at any of the builds on games lantern
there is a comprehensive guide in the pins, as potato said
dusk wren
i remember when the top zealot build was stealth, knife and braced autogun with toughness blessing
tulip kettle
generally it will look somewhat like this with minor variations for preferences
and you will want to use a MK6 force great sword with 60% warp resistance, 80% in other stats, + carapace, + unyielding, unstable power and then your choice of crit blessing
summer prairie
wouldn't you want quietude if you have sg and BCoB
rigid sky
no I forgot a talent
one sec
can't believe I made it without empathic evasion lmao
tulip kettle
wouldn't you want quietude if you have sg and BCoB
i do want it but dont have a point to spare
long saddle
crack of bone is not really my jam on melee psyker
rigid sky
I want about 40 talent points
it's about what you're willing to sacrifice to get the other shit
I like the peril reduction talents to stretch SG's duration further
tulip kettle
and found that overall my toughness gen is fine as it is between mettle, WE and warp ghost
rigid sky
but they're probably unnecessary
tulip kettle
and BCoB lets you get max SG value, its really very core to maximising dmg on SG
long saddle
I very rarely try to max SG duration
tulip kettle
unless you want to stand and quell
rigid sky
You don't really maximise it
but you do stretch it a little
without having to change behaviour
tulip kettle
yeah by max i mean as much as possible without needing to do anything different
rigid sky
I mean there's times when you can stretch it out through downtime with some tactical quelling too
long saddle
ye but then it expires and warp ghost becomes poop when you quell to <50 straight away
tulip kettle
?
warp ghost gives you the ability to maintain peril much more easily and increases the toughness gen from WE and mettle
rigid sky
uwotm8?
rigid sky
warp ghost is like a massive bucket of stats for 1 talent point
irrespective of your peril level
are you thinking of a different talent?
long saddle
ye I more so meant in terms of missing out on the best part of it
I want to stay at high peril
rigid sky
The best part? You mean the 25% toughness regen bonus?
tulip kettle
yes and warp ghost keeps you a high peril
long saddle
and I'd rather do that over longer SG duration
tulip kettle
thats, what it does
summer prairie
I don't understand why you want to stay at high peril with SG + BCoB
rigid sky
High peril isn't as crucial with a gunker build
it still helps a bit with warp rider
and warp splitting
but you don't have warp nexus
thus you aren't reliant on being at high peril for your toughness economy
wooden dagger
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a04694ba-1eef-41c1-bbac-3a9bd9...
ok thx so the gameplay is not taking the soulblaze tallent? and also for blitz is not use brain rupture?
btw for the gun also can be replace with laspistol?
rigid sky
Laspistol 2 is also great
but I prefer my vraks 5
it just feels like an absolute monster
extremely good finesse values and extremely good RoF
so it chews through corridors, elites, specials, bosses
laspistol has better handling, but I just love the vraks 5
tulip kettle
BCoB is just there to help make SG active last a bit longer when chopping heads, otherwise i want max peril when it ends. i tend to run BCoB with SG and no BCoB with bubble knight. its just fits my playstyle
rigid sky
and I wouldn't take soulblaze, since you can't budget it in imo
it's at least 2 points to get PC as a starting point
and then brain rupture... Eh. I take assail for ammo economy, and because assail synergises really well with DD and SG
since it can crit
assail helps a lot with farming DD stacks too
tulip kettle
25% dmg on your melee is a much better buff than proccing a random KF on a thing that would have died anyway every 12 seconds
rigid sky
KF is at its best with inferno staff
tulip kettle
its great with any shriek build
rigid sky
That too yes
tulip kettle
any blaze based build
tulip kettle
thats my take too
rigid sky
I mean, not with the guns I take at least
candid temple
I don't enjoy how assail works, so I run kf on meleeker
tulip kettle
but like we just said, you are literally losing 25% dmg that way
candid temple
?
rigid sky
Malefic Momentum
tulip kettle
malefic momentum
rigid sky
is really hard to trigger without assail
long saddle
I have a melee shriek build I really like
summer prairie
I take KF with surge surge melee but obviously with a gun assail is better
tulip kettle
I take KF with surge surge melee but obviously with a gun assail is better
also my take
long saddle
low warp res FS
rigid sky
That's a talent constellation I've never tried tbh
tulip kettle
low warp res FS doesnt help mal momentum at all
rigid sky
If it works for you then great :D
long saddle
no I was talking about my build
rigid sky
but I'd not considered taking assail without DD ever tbh lol
the two are completely welded together in my mind
tulip kettle
losing both DD and SG is just a massive dmg nerf
tulip kettle
like sure its funny haha burn stuff but you are losing an awful lot of melee value
rigid sky
Shriek's great, but I like it most with inferno staff tbh
long saddle
I have other builds if I want to maximize melee
tulip kettle
and if youre going for max CDR with shriek, why not just run an actually good staff with KF
rigid sky
this is my logic with shriek
long saddle
it's just a very fast way to build peril
long saddle
but I want to use melee
umbral atlas
man I know its not meta but I do love the heavy laspistol
tulip kettle
but your melee is poopy and weak
tulip kettle
man I know its not meta but I do love the heavy laspistol
it is meta, its very good on gunker
umbral atlas
so fun to just left click shooters
rigid sky
man I know its not meta but I do love the heavy laspistol
ain't nothing wrong with it
tulip kettle
no DD + no SG = weak melee
rigid sky
it's just less explosive than a vraks 5
dusk wren
the heavy heavy laspistol or the light heavy laspistol?
umbral atlas
I'm running the light heavy lastpistol with infernus because I couldn't find a good recon lasgun but I might like it more
rigid sky
I keep trying to make the laspistol psyker work - I really spoiled myself with the Vraks 5 I think
long saddle
the build was initially my 5 wound CW boom psyker
rigid sky
I'm running the light heavy lastpistol with infernus because I couldn't find a g...
laspistol has much better finesse
tulip kettle
I'm running the light heavy lastpistol with infernus because I couldn't find a g...
mk12 recon, the blue one, also with infernus, and dum dum
rigid sky
so is better fitting with Psyker shit
umbral atlas
Probably for the same reason I'm a Helbore apologist on vet, I just really like using the lightest possible gun that can still one hit headshot most enemies
rigid sky
but recon is probably stronger regardless lmao
tulip kettle
laspistol has better boss dps and is better if you can reliably click heads
i cant so i favour mk12 recon las
rigid sky
Vraks 5 is the emperor's autogun though
tulip kettle
plus recon las gives guaranteed 100% EE uptime when shooting
rigid sky
he built it himself
umbral atlas
I'm inconsistent but it feels good when I just like delete six DD targets in a row with one headshot each and still have like 4/5 of the magazine left to shoot
tulip kettle
vraks is "i want every boss to fucking die and i cant hit anything further than 25m away"
umbral atlas
also the force shove on it can stagger ragers?
rigid sky
vraks is "i want every boss to fucking die and i cant hit anything further than ...
tapfire
and accuracy-by-volume lmao
umbral atlas
I also love autoguns, I use them a lot on zealot and vet
umbral atlas
especially with the weapons customization mod to give it an actual reflex sight
tulip kettle
laspistol actually gets a reflex by default
rigid sky
just, never felt anything like it in any game I've played lmao
umbral atlas
I was talking about the autoguns but yeah its nice
its a very convenient weapon to use but still pretty potent with good aim
tulip kettle
but my experience of vraks 5 is just, when you really need those gunners way over there to die, it wont work
but that plogryn? its fucking DEAD
umbral atlas
just, never felt anything like it in any game I've played lmao
dude people sleep on the autoguns because I think a lot of people think "Oh well this is a 40k game I'm not going to use the boring ass assault rifle that shoots regular bullets" but the GUN FEEL of those things is incredible they are so good
radiant frigate
plus recon las gives guaranteed 100% EE uptime when shooting
also used to be a full refresh on toughness with the previous iteration of mettle
umbral atlas
I find that with the modded sight and fire control you can gunner snipe decently on vet at least, but its true value is when you get to just dump the magazine
radiant frigate
wish agri iag got more love
rigid sky
but my experience of vraks 5 is just, when you really need those gunners way ove...
You can make them die if they're close enough to seriously hurt you
and there's always RMB assails
rigid sky
Yeah, I'm not brave enough to take a gun build to auric
worthy wasp
We are missing a dual melee class
rigid sky
uh
tulip kettle
you can certainly 1 mag a plogryn though so thats fun
rigid sky
havoc
worthy wasp
Idk if dual melee would work here tho
tulip kettle
also used to be a full refresh on toughness with the previous iteration of mettl...
agreed
rigid sky
I should try it though
tulip kettle
wish agri iag got more love
and agreed
long saddle
dude people sleep on the autoguns because I think a lot of people think "Oh well...
I mean I even like braced autogun
rigid sky
Idk if dual melee would work here tho
You kinda can do it already if you consider flamers to be meleeish
rigid sky
I mean I even like braced autogun
Braced is not a great fit for this stage of the game imo, every build is a crit build
and braceds have terrible finesse values
long saddle
even if it's not that good as a general sidearm
rigid sky
I like their handling, but their stats betray them
worthy wasp
You kinda can do it already if you consider flamers to be meleeish
Idk, if a class were to make dual melee work well it would have been Arbites....
Dog takes care of specials
long saddle
ye I mostly just hit center mass with braced
tulip kettle
braced is not meant for psykers
radiant frigate
have braced autoguns ever been relevant
tulip kettle
braced is kinda good on zealot tbh
only kinda
but its very good for gap closing with gunner blobs
radiant frigate
it just feels bad when you have someone you want to res but there is a sniper on overwatch All The Way Over There and you can't touch him because braced
umbral atlas
I mean I even like braced autogun
I think braced is better in a lot of cases (probably on zealot definitely, not sure about others) buuut if you have the mod to give the regular ones better sights then the gap closes
long saddle
ye I like it for just unleashing in to a horde
umbral atlas
braced is also good for a quick suppression hose
radiant frigate
ye I like it for just unleashing in to a horde
i consider that a waste of ammo personally
tulip kettle
braced is also good for a quick suppression hose
this is precisely what its for
long saddle
I mean if I'm running braced then I don't really expect it to be ammo conservative
umbral atlas
dumping it into dreg ragers is a fine enough use of ammo IMO but yeah I never like shooting bruisers with any gun, it always feels wrong unless its something like insanely ammo efficient like helbore or laspistol
long saddle
or that I'm using it as my primary weapon
umbral atlas
Yeah, it's also good on zealot because it's a good holdout gun if you don't plan on relying on your ranged weapon much in general
tulip kettle
hose towards the gunner blob, proc ceasless barrage and roaring advance
run them down like the dogs they are
dodge a shot in there to proc dance of death and youre really cooking
plucky flax
have braced autoguns ever been relevant
Yeah on vet with volley fire
rigid sky
Yeah on vet with volley fire
I mean... just use an IAG at that point though
benefit more from the finesse
plucky flax
Tru
rigid sky
I guess in very very early darktide they weren't bad
plucky flax
But braced is cooler
radiant frigate
so you be saying, the gun is made to scare enemies and be emotional support for you
not to actually kill things
plucky flax
Space ak
tulip kettle
so you be saying, the gun is made to scare enemies and be emotional support for ...
yes
it also makes you run very fast
and makes the enemies cower like bitches and stop shooting you
so you can run them down with impunity
long saddle
tbh I started using braced because of this skin lol
radiant frigate
tulip kettle
and if you proc dance of death you can actually even hit stuff with it, sometimes
marble crater
That's Xcom baby
radiant frigate
xcom has got to be one of the least ironman-friendly games that have it as an option
candid temple
hmm
radiant frigate
love the game but holy hell sometimes the sight lines make no sense
strong gulch
so you be saying, the gun is made to scare enemies and be emotional support for ...
That's what I did in my last game but with trauma. 
candid temple
dude people sleep on the autoguns because I think a lot of people think "Oh well...
hmm, recoil is kinda mid
tulip kettle
i like to imagine the missing on 99% is actually just shorthand for a gun malf or something
candid temple
what does it do better than recon las?
tulip kettle
kills bosses faster
radiant frigate
i like to imagine the missing on 99% is actually just shorthand for a gun malf ...
or a flash of gross incompetence
candid temple
kills bosses faster
how much faster?
then again I prefer to stab bosses in the face with a big stabby thing
umbral atlas
the main thing it does better is feeling like a heavy and satisfying gun to shoot
radiant frigate
if you hit the noggin, a lot
if not, then actually not
umbral atlas
I'm not gonna argue which is better but they're both fun to use
radiant frigate
the main thing it does better is feeling like a heavy and satisfying gun to shoo...
that's agri iag
umbral atlas
but autogun is like a big RATATATATATAT where the recon is like a light PEWPEWPEPEWPWEWPEWPEWPEW
candid temple
the main thing it does better is feeling like a heavy and satisfying gun to shoo...
feels horrible dogwater for me, the side to side bounce is disgusting
radiant frigate
space g3
candid temple
I'd rather run agri cs
marble crater
https://tenor.com/view/xcom-hop-on-gif-26943695
Classic. I think I will start my first Commander+ playthrough soon and also my first Ironman one, it's going to be great. I will miss Jane Kelly though, have to make a fake one I guess
tulip kettle
damage loss = poop
cosmic sigil
more block = more peril = more warp rider and more cleave 🫃
marble crater
More block bullets = more cool
cosmic sigil
I should honestly check my unstable uptime tbh
it could be that it's better in a vacuum but not that much impactful during a run
cosmic sigil
130 HP 🙁
tulip kettle
yeah and i only got 4 stacks of MM not 5, i just suck tbh
languid cipher
why does your weapon tremble at the end?
he is nervous
marble crater
Because peril
tulip kettle
its just the animations from being high peril
cosmic sigil
rigid sky
what does it do better than recon las?
Much better finesse bonuses
so for a class like Psyker which is all about the finesse bonuses on guns and melee
it's a natural fit
cosmic sigil
I never realized
rigid sky
recon gets a bit of damage from flat crit and infernus
I think with DD you really would rather have the IAG
recon fits warp siphon better imo
dusk timber
Recon has really bad finesse modifiers
radiant frigate
Classic. I think I will start my first Commander+ playthrough soon and also my f...
once i get into long war 2 I'll have to port my favorites from the first
rigid sky
Recon has really bad finesse modifiers
not super bad like braced autos, but pretty poor compared to our other options
dusk timber
Recon has really bad finesse modifiers
And because of how +weakspot/crit/finesse damage bonuses work it means recon doesnt scale as well with those bonuses
marble crater
once i get into long war 2 I'll have to port my favorites from the first
And then they die in the first mission 
rigid sky
Recon feels better on a veteran imo
maybe zealot too but I tend to want punchier rangeds
radiant frigate
And then they die in the first mission <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
radiant frigate
recon fits warp siphon better imo
much to ponder
plucky flax
Recon is better for ee farm and for infernus to upkeep dd stacks on bosses
Mk2 laspistol would be best but ammo economy
cosmic sigil
recon has so much more ammo
marble crater
At least 5 more
tulip kettle
right but im not sure if youre being serious here
dusk timber
the laspistol mk2 around 500ish max
Keep in mind it also consumes 2 ammo per shot
tulip kettle
yes and it also does more damage per each ammo
you cant compare total ammo pools in any meaningful way like that
cosmic sigil
true
dusk timber
So it actually has about like 250-ish effective ammo iirc
cosmic sigil
but it feels i can make the recon last longer during a run
summer prairie
infernus changes the ammo economy a lot too
strong gulch
ye
cosmic sigil
ngl, agri cs with fb+manstopper sure is nice when you got everything going
dusk timber
So it actually has about like 250-ish effective ammo iirc
288 effective ammo
radiant frigate
ilas relevant when
tulip kettle
when fatshark realises photons have no mass
radiant frigate
(i mean it was at release, when you regularly got into firefights)
dusk timber
ilas relevant when
Mk2 laspistol actually has 12 more shots compared to mk7 ilas lol
radiant frigate
Mk2 laspistol actually has 12 more shots compared to mk7 ilas lol
idk ilas mark numbers
especially not after they were changed
marble crater
Nobody does