psyker-class

[solid pond]

you should play arbites

[wraith sphinx]

zealot is still the one class I can't figure out

[quaint lark]

I couldent for a while to until I finally saw like what goes good together

Psyker and vet though I was good on

[eager knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-frone-explode-dies-gif-14493096138927684504

HALLO

[wraith sphinx]

it's just not fun trying to mow down the horde solo but you queued up with paint eaters who use you as a reference point where to shoot (WHY the fuck are they shooting trash mobs someone else is killing HOLY SHIT) or for a voidblast psyker to spray white visual effects in my face and it fucks up my flow so bad

[royal totem]

Nah i was just clowning

[solid pond]

hit enemy

shrimple

[quaint lark]

Yes

[wraith sphinx]

read my other message

[solid pond]

no

hit enemy

[wraith sphinx]

can I hit you

[plucky flax]

Play arby

[eager knoll]

me want convict role

[solid pond]

I am currently an opposing opinion, on the internet that might as well be a warcrime, so yes, technically I am an enemy

hit me

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-cat-silly-ahh-silly-ahh-cat-goofy-gif-15009262023119441493

owned

[quaint lark]

I main psyker smite and if I get a good Hammer zealot we got a mission lol, I stun/horde clear, he boss clears

[solid pond]

wah

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[plucky flax]

Bruh moment

[eager knoll]

i made fun sword soyker build with scriers

[royal totem]

Im a thammer zealot

[solid pond]

who mains smite

[plucky flax]

Me

[quaint lark]

Scriers gave i love with smite, I can just keep staying at 100% peril for over 5 mins

[solid pond]

you're not real

[quaint lark]

And keep the damage up on anything, hell even crushers to

[wraith sphinx]

all of us here main smite

[quaint lark]

Smite is better then most people think

Just depends on how one uses it

[eager knoll]

i do not have permission to upload images

how do i fix that

[solid pond]

grey

need to not be grey

[eager knoll]

how do i

ungrey

[solid pond]

yap

[quaint lark]

My main weapon is smite, my sidearm and melee are backups lol

[eager knoll]

yapyap

[wraith sphinx]

yakk

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-macska-cica-vomit-oklendez-gif-14738230240638170539

[quaint lark]

If im not using smite its bc theres not enough enemies

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/sogga-big-floppa-floppa-approve-gif-22537201

[solid pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911693298064851045/999943491163537468/41395ABE-C1FE-4F96-8EB5-0F09A412B570.gif?width=612&height=588

[wraith sphinx]

[quaint lark]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-2-dreadnought-gif-7495076671582279435

[eager knoll]

i like to use mk vi greatsword with shred and blazing spirit

range is voidblast with warp flurry and rending shockwave

[royal totem]

Greatsword blehhhh

[solid pond]

how smite players think they look

[cosmic sigil]

greatsword bad

[eager knoll]

only soulblaze talent i'm using is wildfire

[cosmic sigil]

that is the worst

[quaint lark]

I use Shotgun, and blazeforce greatsword

[eager knoll]

greatsword good

[cosmic sigil]

perilous combustion is that much better

[solid pond]

greatsword is good

yours isn't

but the weapon is

[quaint lark]

I can kill over 200 units in less then 10 secs

[cosmic sigil]

obscurussy better 🐈

[eager knoll]

fire jumping from random walkers onto trappers running in the middle of a horde triggering kinetic flayer is an interaction i like too much currently

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[quaint lark]

But isn't that what helps beat a mission?

[eager knoll]

i 1-2 shot crushers with my mk vi greatsword

the mk viii greatsword is awesome too

it has great stagger on its overhead heavies

[quaint lark]

You make no sense Catmiral

[cosmic sigil]

you're sacrificing a blessing on your greatsword for blazing... i hope you know that your warp slice won't ever proce blazing

[eager knoll]

yes

[cosmic sigil]

you could put riposte or precog :/

[eager knoll]

could

won't

[cosmic sigil]

but bro, wildfire

[royal totem]

Blazing bad blessing

But i no argue this

[eager knoll]

me when i play only auric

and it

doesn't matter

[quartz barn]

Blazing goated blessing

[quaint lark]

I perfer mealstorms

[eager knoll]

auric is too easy to justify minmaxxin

[quartz barn]

Ez top score

[eager knoll]

maelstrom and auric

same

thing

[solid pond]

smite user wouldn't get it

[eager knoll]

sleem

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[eager knoll]

i ONLY play this game in a flow state, otherwise i am taking a nap irl

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I love just hopping on once in a while and playing maelstrom

[quaint lark]

I dont bc its really good

[wraith sphinx]

it's chill and fun

[quaint lark]

Yes

[quartz barn]

AM too easy

[quaint lark]

I can solo a mission with it to

[eager knoll]

:sleej

me when i play with smikers and they hold up the whole team and need to get babysat

but w/e have fun

[wraith sphinx]

I'd play more havoc if I could MM into a rank 20 mission and if deranking was removed

[cosmic sigil]

h2x is fucking hell

[quartz barn]

Just equip some meta loadout and swap after joining

[solid pond]

[wraith sphinx]

I can't

havoc randoms are racist to me because I play psyker

[quartz barn]

True survivor = free invite

[quaint lark]

I dont need babysitting, hell I keep up with the time easy

[wraith sphinx]

what

[quaint lark]

Same here T~T

[celest valve]

counterpoint: tsundere machine priest

[wind wind]

Fair enough. She's annoying too

[wind wind]

We're friends now lmao.

True symbiosis

[quaint lark]

Ill hop on later if ya want?

[wind wind]

😉😏

[wind wind]

I work until 22:00 German time . I dont know If i'll still be up for tide at that point.

I'll be available on sunday tho

[quaint lark]

Roger roger

Ill send a friend request

[sick wing]

Arbiter looks like a demigod, shield + gun/melee and a dog

[marble crater]

It's a strong class

[wind wind]

I run lone wolf for the free grenades

Tanky veteran go brrr 😂

[neon forge]

Stronger baseline, but weaker than a maximized version of the other classes if you ask me (my opinion is correct so don’t disagree)

[royal totem]

yeah. arby needs buff 😏

[hollow jolt]

Funny, I also felt the same

It does everything well but didn't excel (well besides staggering and CC)

[sick wing]

It’s ogryn with a dog

[cosmic sigil]

dogryn

[plucky flax]

@tulip kettle you 40 yet? wanna play?

[wind wind]

Even had the ogryn ressurection interaction voicelines when you got res'ed with him during launch

[jovial juniper]

I disagree

[dusk void]

Can anyone tell me if Heinous Rituals is still bugged on Havocs?

[summer prairie]

They haven't adjusted the bad spawn locations, no

Well, can't know for sure but at least some remain

[white sky]

Me when that one metalfab DH spawn

[dusk void]

So we’re still fucked on havocs then. Gonna be doing some maelstroms for a while then

[summer prairie]

it's just a few maps that can be bad

[dusk void]

That map is fucking insane for Heinous Rituals

[white sky]

I refuse to believe they playtested that one

Ain't no way someone saw how that spawn acts and went "yeah it's good"

[ashen edge]

When will we nerf the blue stim enemy. MF down me as fast as plague monk

[ashen edge]

Excise vault also have buggy dh spawn

[dusk void]

I refuse to believe that they even play tested the new modifiers and called it good. How the fuck did Encroaching Garden got approved. That shit is bad because of the stupid pink enemy priority. Not to mention that a lot of crushers spawn in the rotten armor modifier in addition to their health being buffed

[summer prairie]

playtesters were playing all of those for months

[white sky]

Then who told them that DH spawn was fine

[summer prairie]

no one, just not a priority for I guess for whatever reason or the testers didn't care enough to push it

[ashen edge]

Are they some kind of no lifer? How come they think these modifier are fun?

[dusk void]

Because the developers always finds another shitty way to make Havocs unfair

[summer prairie]

the reason why some of the spawns are bad is not the location per se but due to how the player main path progression is calculated

I guess they could just move them further away too

[ashen edge]

Like the rotten armor is a lose-lose modifier. They buff enemy while alive and leave a pox gas when they die

[summer prairie]

Rotten armor is fun

[ashen edge]

Nah, it's invalidate a gun build

[white sky]

I find rot armor buffed crushers kinda mind numbing tbh.

[summer prairie]

though it's mostly because it spawns more armor, not due to the rotten armor mechanic itself which doesn't make much sense

[white sky]

Like it's not hell to deal with but it is boring

[summer prairie]

not like most gun builds use guns on the affected enemies in general

[neon forge]

[dusk void]

Rotten armor makes me wanna bring the Rending Voidblast/Trauma staff to debuff the armor and stagger the crowd. The Brittleness Purge/Inferno just doesn’t do it for me with the crunchers and armor

[ashen edge]

What I hate more right now is blue stim enemy. These guy shouldn't be immortal in pox gas

[tulip kettle]

just do this

nothing to do with rending

[plucky flax]

I dunno but just played power matrix and there was no bug.

[plucky flax]

At the drop location where the ritual aggros from super far away.

[summer prairie]

you got the spawn but it didn't trigger the far away?

[plucky flax]

That ritual didn't spawn.

Maybe it was luck.

[summer prairie]

well that's just rng probably

[plucky flax]

Karien carried me to a 30 mins game.

[summer prairie]

figures

[plucky flax]

Pretty fast for 2 pugs.

Surprisingly chill power matrix game.

[dusk void]

And not bring shield?

[plucky flax]

Cos the area at 2nd medicae is usually so messy.

[deft stump]

YOU DIDN'T GET JUMPSCARED BY A SILENT BoN.

[plucky flax]

No because I don't get in bad positions.

Actually I took quite little damage that round.

Next round I played I got down once and took 200+ hp damage

[deft stump]

I just followed you guys, WDYM?

[plucky flax]

Clearly you did not.

[deft stump]

I always had the oggy in sight, wdym?

[royal totem]

ah so Karien carried

[plucky flax]

Sorry I am not oggy.

[tulip kettle]

can do the same thing with shield

the shriek doesnt matter here its just the concept of hitting 15 stacks then stacking uncnny

[summer prairie]

it's way worse if you have to rely on PC to refresh the stacks

[ashen edge]

How about console? JK tho

[dusk void]

Were you applying uncanny strike with the force push?

[tulip kettle]

yes

[dusk void]

Say no more

[marble crater]

No more

[plucky flax]

You can use knife and shank their heads too.

[dusk void]

Or poke them with the Dueling Sword

[wind wind]

Congratulationes, youre a dad now. Your kakis and your shed keyrings will be delivered later 😂

[plucky flax]

But knife is cooler and faster.

[wind wind]

I like both.

But my favorite melee weapon of the psyker has to be the fgs. Ive never feared a melee trash poxwalker horde with it

[rigid sky]

Does anybody fear a melee trash poxwalker horde tbh?

Bruisers are the scary ones

FGS is great for the versatility of it

1H force swords tend to be snappier but more specialised

While FGS just swims through everything

[cosmic sigil]

I was pleasantly surprised by deimos and obscurus + peril cleave

[marble crater]

I don't fear any horde, I fear not seeing the two poxwalkers standing in a dark corner who will slap me from behind

[raw garnet]

You can fight any amount of enemies in front of you, but you can't fight a single one from behind

[tulip kettle]

such a shit day.

i reached 39

and now am 33

kind of done with it

[raw garnet]

You can come back from it

[tulip kettle]

i just cba'

party finder is just dumb, either people who shouldnt be in havoc or people who think they are the main character and want to play solo and ruin runs

[strong gulch]

Woah. These were sitting out in the wild?!

I remember the commercials for theses.

[marble crater]

Yep, in the wild west of Germany

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

I played 2 games and won both today.

I stole all the lucks.

[tulip kettle]

thanks i feel better.

[keen bronze]

At least y'all can find parties in the finder

I could refresh for hours and nothing.

[plucky flax]

What server?

[keen bronze]

I fr thought no one played havoc until I joined this server 😔

[plucky flax]

It's really active for EU server.

Dom if you want I can try to play 1 or 2 games.

I think at 31 if you win you go up 2 ranks.

@tulip kettle

[keen bronze]

What do these havoc chests entail

Is it just mats?

[tulip kettle]

yeah idm

i can play

carry me please

[tulip kettle]

yes, but being 40 means you can play withut deranking

[keen bronze]

Oh

So it's ranked mode?

[proper osprey]

Mats and bragging rights

[proper osprey]

Nah there is nothing like that atm

[keen bronze]

If you can de rank eeeeerm

It's ranked mode silly

[tulip kettle]

yes it is a ranked mode

[proper osprey]

[tulip kettle]

each rank the game gets harder from 1-40

[proper osprey]

I guess you can call it endgame

[keen bronze]

So do I just have to complete 50 havoc missions to unlock the armor?

Or do I have to reach rank 50

[proper osprey]

Help people complete them

[quartz barn]

[proper osprey]

It’s only 40

[quartz barn]

eastern eu moment

[summer prairie]

Yikes

[quartz barn]

wdym yikes theyre getting along

[keen bronze]

Silly slavs

[plucky flax]

You got me into a tryhard party?

[tulip kettle]

i did sry

[summer prairie]

You've to bring bubble to tryhard

[tulip kettle]

i also crash before we even get in map so thats good

[plucky flax]

We lost after 1 min

I got top damage though #worthit

[tulip kettle]

i reconnect and everyone was dead

not a good sign

[proper osprey]

Ty for carry

[plucky flax]

You're welcome

[cosmic sigil]

Lord Worthington

[summer prairie]

Was it at least like five bosses

[plucky flax]

Only 1 but a bunch of purple elites and we had no cleave.

Also I pushed burster but it ignored me.

Think it was going for another target.

[marble crater]

If you think you understand the Balkans, you don't understand the Balkans

[wind wind]

I do. Always struggled with movement/multitasking and when there is like 40 of them around you and you carry a chainaxe or any other slow, stamina sucking weapon with few dodges... Well... Ive died more to groaners and poxers than anything else in this game 🫠

[radiant frigate]

just use a good weapon smh

i feel like at worst it just takes you a while to grind through the poxer horde

but they are never really threatening by themselves

[wind wind]

I find them hilarious. Most dysfunctional family in the world.

Also always my prime example for americans that say stupid shit like "all white people are the same" or "white people have no culture".
And i am always like "please tell the serbian that he is just like the albanian next door." Please 😂😂

[fallen jungle]

which ranged to choose if i just forget about it all the time? Recon lasgun that i use rn is good, but maybe there something better

[wind wind]

Thats precisely why i love the FGS. The hordeclear is just braindead lightspam.

[radiant frigate]

best ranged weapons if you don't use ranged weapons are vraks iag/reconlas/laspistol

[fallen jungle]

vraks iag?

[radiant frigate]

infantry autogun

[fallen jungle]

oh,

which one of them are vraks?)

[zealous wing]

the Vraks mark

[wind wind]

If your focus is melee, chances are that youll engage anything thats dangerous to you at melee (duh).

Therefore, your ranged should be something that is very good at killing threats that are of concern at range (bombers, flamers, reapers, Elite gunners).

Whatever fits your movement style, has decent dodges, is accurate over long distances and punches hard. Certainly not shotguns unless youre good with brain burst.

[fallen jungle]

is this unique weapon? i dont see it in armory? infantry, vigilant and braced are only options

[zealous wing]

infantry autogun, mark vraks

you can change weapon marks

[fallen jungle]

oh, thats why i saw diffrent guns, tbh i thought that this just skins

im newbie

[zealous wing]

every mark on every weapon changes how the weapon works

[fallen jungle]

and for now touched only psyker, and builded melee

didnt see that option at all before, thanks for pointing that

[rigid sky]

OK chain axe is allowed to be scared, especially if on a psyker lmao

[celest valve]

when in doubt push attack spam

[pine elk]

i blew up once because i panic pushed a pox burster

silly me

[eager knoll]

convict

[royal totem]

that's a more good reason than why I blow up

[eager knoll]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[royal totem]

i just blow up from being bad

[pine elk]

psyker shove generating like 5% peril trips me up bad sometimes (specifically with the force swords)

[eager knoll]

wait wot

have i never noticed this

[pine elk]

don't take my word for it but i believe it's only with force swords?

[tulip kettle]

push no peril, push attack yes peril

[zealous wing]

its when the push attack lands on an enemy, laspistol push gens peril regardless

duelingsword parry also generates peril so be cautious of that too

[verbal thistle]

only with force weapons and if they hit an enemy

if you push air no peril

also las pistol generats peril on special action

no matter if they hit anything or not

[eager knoll]

this with kinetic deflection?

[zealous wing]

nope

[verbal thistle]

base

[eager knoll]

when'd they do that

[zealous wing]

update

[eager knoll]

o

sick

[long saddle]

told the smyker to not smite the boss, they asked why not...

[jovial juniper]

Bound by Duty
Since psyker was the og user of dueling sword, they got a treat where the parry is stronger but costs peril

Except it doesn't care about your critical peril level

So you're going to pop

[eager knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/based-kneel-dark-souls-gif-24182729

:despair:

i am bereft

[eager knoll]

screaming

[plucky flax]

Baldest arby.

[tulip kettle]

boldest

15 bosses!

also, why does that sword bitch HATE me so much

[marble crater]

Who or what is that

Did Agent play bubble knight?

[tulip kettle]

rinda

[marble crater]

Ah

[tulip kettle]

they spawn and she just beelines at me

and her borther is shooting me

and im just like, please, god, leave me alone for 2 seconds

[marble crater]

Maybe she is really into you

[tulip kettle]

seems so

i honestly cant remember the last time they spawned and she didnt just bully me

[plucky flax]

That round earlier seemed like we had a lot of specials.

[tulip kettle]

450 in the first one

420 the second one

F-I-F-T-E-E-N bosses

that is many.

[plucky flax]

We had a lot of boss damage though so was good.

[tulip kettle]

boldest arb

krak vet last boss dmg is suprising

[plucky flax]

Maybe he ran out of krak when bosses spawn.

[tulip kettle]

too busy killing specials

[plucky flax]

Didn't check but the whole team did a lot of damage too. No one was low.

The zealot did a lot of melee damage.

[marble crater]

Who is this boldest arb?

and why?

[tulip kettle]

ye everyone played well except me in the second tbh

final event was also kinda hectic

and first one with healing 3.4 mil dmg is not shabby, 1.9 into elites

[tulip kettle]

some dude called arbys roast beef or something

[marble crater]

Never heard of him

[eager knoll]

corpse starch irl

[tulip kettle]

i think its maybe one of kariens alts

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah it's karien.

[marble crater]

It's possible, who else could it be

[plucky flax]

Only she can be that strong and bald.

Karien's arby pov
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1402248959539544064/Desktop_2025.08.05_-_12.14.57.11.mp4?ex=6909e09c&is=69088f1c&hm=6cc14d06579cb615fb2466d44c4fd82b6d90bb0f347865a5728284e7ebc3cdf7&

[polar flower]

Suicide Bomber Psyker could be the new meta

Just a bunch of wounds and that talent that doesnt down you when you overdose

[proper osprey]

I listen to a song like this and i unironically play so good

Idk why

One sec

[tulip kettle]

i also play better with music, mostly, but if im full tryhard i turn it off so i can maybe dodge 50% of specials instead of only 30%

[proper osprey]

https://on.soundcloud.com/gB2mWXPQYjdZvZ7OrT @plucky flax tap in

[plucky flax]

Strongest bubble knight
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1398707424759910410/Desktop_2025.07.26_-_17.43.11.07.mp4?ex=690a2d4c&is=6908dbcc&hm=cdfacc9a7a06932eccca18c32828a5847f59f5b29a200128925fc5d88ca4be3e&

[proper osprey]

Why did you let that happen

[plucky flax]

Too noob

[austere warren]

What are some health pools people like to use for a little shot of added resilience? It's often my most ignored defensive stat but I am curious.

Especially with psyker since I know how I like to play. Asking since I plan on going through the rest of my havoc climb between vet and psyker atm.

[long saddle]

health isn't as nerfed in havoc as toughness

so one health is usually nice to have

two also works for some

[brittle berry]

can som1 send me the melee psyker build

[tulip kettle]

i run 2 toughness 1 hp on psyker, with at least 1 corruption resist minor, and can survive poxburster explosions or a sniper shot so thats enough for me

[tulip kettle]

this and then spend the last point on one of the circled talents

oo i forgot malefic momentum

but tbh if you arent pretty good at knowing when and how to use assail it wont be that good for you anyway

[zinc phoenix]

JAD is so hard to get value out of as a SG melee

Also highly recommend ditching Assail for BB with KF. You one tap a lot of dangerous stuff because of the BB

And assail has gotten a lot worse with all the carapace heads imo

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[tulip kettle]

i dont disagree about JaD i also dont like it

but its just a choice thing

and as for assail, if you have malefic momentum i think assail is clearly the better option

KF is good and everything and does interact nicely with cruel fortune but with warp splitting and MM assail still gives an awful lot of value. You are also interacting with perfect timing and mettle with assail, not with BB

[radiant frigate]

i think assail is good in absence of Stick and in presence of WU

[tulip kettle]

and one more thing, due to how JaD works you will get tons of value out of it, assuming you are taking damage at all. Sure if you just never get hit it does nothing but with BCoB and scriers quell you will only be at 100 peril very briefly during WU

yup, agreed

[radiant frigate]

in presence of stick and absence of SG i think kf more gooder

but that's just a theory

[tulip kettle]

by stick i assume you mean FGS

[zinc phoenix]

I mean I really like running TDR nodes + bcob + quietude for infinity toughness gen during melee

[tulip kettle]

yeah so, JaD gives an additive 25% DR

its the strongest DR talent in the game

[radiant frigate]

no i meant a psyker staff of some kind

[tulip kettle]

oh i see, yeah for sure

[zinc phoenix]

Lemme load in what I have set up for meleeker

[radiant frigate]

but yes fgs is strong enough to stand on its own aswell

[tulip kettle]

i assume recon las or vraks with FGS for this build

[zinc phoenix]

Agree yeah, inferno recon las is always a gimme imo

Or las pistol/shredder for basically the same but faster gun

[tulip kettle]

and yeah, JaD gives a full 25% additive DR on top of all your other TDR assuming you are at 96.99% peril or below

[zinc phoenix]

• with KF bb it goes really hard

[radiant frigate]

Bigsword Knives Reconlas™is peak build for both classes that have access to it

[tulip kettle]

all other Dr and TDR is multiplicative

right but with that combo you lose out on MM

[radiant frigate]

additive? ayo?

[tulip kettle]

indeed.

[zinc phoenix]

I think it’s worth it for the better performance against carapace stuff which is usually what I need dead super fast anyway

[tulip kettle]

thats what FGS is foir

and you cant control KF

but assail will give you 25% damage increase

through MM

[zinc phoenix]

Only if you are consistently weaving during melee which is often not doable. KF just works

[tulip kettle]

its a choice and its fine but i prefer assail

and being actually able to use MM

[radiant frigate]

KF is probably good for MM too

[tulip kettle]

is not

[radiant frigate]

just different

have to weave in something else

[tulip kettle]

5% vs 25%

[radiant frigate]

staff or fgs specials

[tulip kettle]

yeh but again no staffs here

[zinc phoenix]

Oh for like a voidstrike thing?

That’s not a bad idea

Void sg is always fun

[radiant frigate]

if no staff then yeah it's a hell no

[tulip kettle]

with voidstrike i think BB KF would likely be better sure

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike kf sounds neat with fgs

[tulip kettle]

also, additive is not the right word

it is multiplicative, but it always applies first, and is applied to both the toughness dmg and then the hp dmg

for example, assuming 5%, 10% and 33% TDR from minor nodes and OWtW, taking 100 dmg = 100 * 0.95 * 0.9 * 0.67 = 57 dmg

the same but with JaD = 75 * 0.95 * 0.9 * 0.67 = 42 dmg

then assuming this is all applied as hp dmg, (it wouldnt be), that 42 then gets further reduced by 25% to 32

JaD will let you eat a crusher overhead without even going down

i still dont like it because gaining peril when you arent expecting to = kaboom

[radiant frigate]

clearly it needs to be coupled with crystalline will

or things that make you Not Explode

[rigid sky]

Gunker tends to not explode much anyway

Know when to back off from Assail

We all did it before Warp Unbound was a thing

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure you go to throw assail on 90% and then a poxwalker bumps you = kaboom

[rigid sky]

Or take Warp Unbound I guess lol

Whatever that SG thing was

I've popped from it once in maybe 5 games so far

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats an unnaceptable rate of explosions

[rigid sky]

Fair enough

[tulip kettle]

i used it in 3 games and exploded once

[rigid sky]

It might have been a failed quickswap lol

[tulip kettle]

and decided i wont use it again

[rigid sky]

When I'm playing gunker more I get better at it

[tulip kettle]

i decided the same about crystalline while it was bugged, i have not tried it since they fixed it

[rigid sky]

Hate crystalline as a concept

[tulip kettle]

it just auto killing me when i pressed shriek was enough for me to know i wont be using it again

[rigid sky]

But if it helps people to press their damn F and not save it as a safety net

[tulip kettle]

even if it wont do thatnow

[rigid sky]

Didn't even know it was bugged

Avoided it like the pox anyway lmao

[tulip kettle]

yeah if you shrieked or pressed SG during the perils animation you would insta die

[rigid sky]

Safety = negates death

Double safety is multiplicative

Negative multiplied by negative = ded

[tulip kettle]

of course, stupid of me

[rigid sky]

It tracks

[zinc phoenix]

so on review i build it for way more tough gen and sustain over less dmg

its very fun and can obviously take an enormous amount of punishment without any hp dmg

[strong gulch]

If no assail or staff, WU seems droppable.

Could put that in a flavor node like warp speed or anticipation.

Immaterial f too (less flavor tho)

focus?
force?

[long saddle]

focus

[teal ivy]

Is there a staff that lends well to scriers gaze/disrupt desinty? I’m running assail with it as well.

Electro staff is decent, albeit a bit redundant with assail vs ragers/gunners and what not.

I love trauma staff, but I’m using FGS and that’s my horde clear, which makes trauma unneeded in some ways.

Inferno staff is great but again, assail/FGS does fine vs everything.

Only staff left is the void strike staff, but not familiar with it at all!

[tulip kettle]

no anticipation on FGS melee focus is fine but i always take it. and not having cruel fortune lowers the value youre getting from KF somewhat, and again no mal momentum is losing 25% dmg. so yeah agreed its safer but less dmg, and for me Sg meleeker is all about dmg output

[zinc phoenix]

FGS sweep?

[tulip kettle]

yeah its voidstrike, but voidstrike is definitely the weakest staff. works just fine in auric and so, but really you arent gaining anything over EK. try using a gun like recon las or vraks 5 IAG for nice boss killing

[strong gulch]

It can be done at like 99% peril? I get as a comfort node tho.

[tulip kettle]

i agree if youre running this staffless and no assail WU seems a wasted node

[teal ivy]

Yeaaaaaah I think that’s the part that’s missing. A ranged weapon that I can use to avoid melee when I need to, especially vs Bosses/crsuhers. I mean, can I kill then all anyway?
Of course!

SHOULD I be choosing melee when I can choose ranged of some kind? Probably best to soften things up a bit before charging in

[strong gulch]

If you plan on using mostly melee, you can set trauma up to be just a pocket CC.

Like dom said, VS or EK lmb are the better staves for SG and DD if you plan to use staff a lot.

[ripe obsidian]

Gosh, bubble does not feel good in current havoc rotations.

It always dies in the minimum time

[teal ivy]

This is my current use of the trauma staff. It’s basically my “oh shit” weapon to throw/stagger everything to buy time for the group

[tulip kettle]

factual

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian If you're playing and don't mind streaming, I'll watch.

[tulip kettle]

bubble is literally just " i bring this so my teammates dont cry and feel like they have their diaper on"

or if its like, a lasgun vet because i know the gunner/ shooter spam is gonna be insane and they wont do anything about it

[zinc phoenix]

🤔 not wrong

[zinc phoenix]

I maintain they built this one to kill bubble book meta

Trauma shriek feels massively better than any bubble imo

[weary crane]

Just had the best random team ever on havoc

So many times I was like, yeah they dead, but they clutched

I'm shocked

[brazen warren]

trying out the tac axe again, and its doing what I want it too on auric

spam SG, light attack and dodge everything, win

slow on crushers, but I can just run away

[tulip kettle]

i see this so much and its upsetting

run from crushers - team mates die - and now what?

kite them til they die of old age?

[brazen warren]

nah I am fighting them actively, not kiting for no reason

but if whole team goes down, I can run and kill at the same time

or just run to next respawn spot

[tulip kettle]

but like you said you cant kill them

[brazen warren]

I can, just takes time

[eager knoll]

so many randoms in auric refuse to prioritize reviving teammates

they're a mile ahead of everyone else and then someone goes down and there's only 1 or 2 people there to get them up

i don't tunnel vision and suicide rush to get them up but i definitely fight my way over

SAFELY

but there's no such thing as fighting my way over safely when i'm by myself and my teammates refuse to help revive their other teammate

it's so bad for me that i swear these people do it because they get off to leaving their people behind

WHERE IS YOUR HEROIC SPIRIT

[brazen warren]

if nothing else, more teammates means less aggro on me, so I go for the rez

[eager knoll]

ttue

more teammates means more friends :D

i hate having dead teammates

[strong gulch]

If I go down in auric or harder, I don't expect to get ressed. Over extending for a res often leads to chain deaths, especially in havocs.

That being said, the team being so separated ain't great.

Some charging ahead. Some needing help in the back.

[brazen warren]

one thing that auric really hammers home is that people should be looking to move during low intensity combats, so you just survived a wave of crushers/mutants/dogs, push forward a bit then fight the next clump

[eager knoll]

i make the best effort i can to res a teammate but if it looks impossible and my team is wayyyyy too far away i won't bother

[strong gulch]

Some too impatient to help. Some not realizing that they can move forward with a horde behind them.

[brazen warren]

fighting for 10+ minutes in a single spot on a back spawn horde with no specials or elites

zzz

[eager knoll]

insane

really want to add a second revive speed to my curios but idk what to replace

[deft stump]

Gunner resist if lower diffs, I guess.

[tulip kettle]

what do you have rn?

you have 9 slots available, though really its 6 because 3x cdr is worth it 99% of the time

[austere warren]

Main thing that only irritates me is when someone runs off after pissing things off and I gotta actually fight it right around the time shit gets spawned in. >_>

[eager knoll]

2x 17 toughness, 1x 21 hp
3x 5 toughness
2x stamina regen
2x toughness regen
1x revive speed
1x sprint efficiency

[deft stump]

Sprint effi.

[tulip kettle]

okay, remove both stamina regen and toughness regen

and sprint eff

[eager knoll]

then i will be slow

[tulip kettle]

and put on 3* cdr and 1* gunner res and 1* revive speed

no, you will not

and toughness gen does literally nothing

[deft stump]

You spess wizard, slide around more.

[eager knoll]

i already slide as much as humanly possible

[eager knoll]

seems like it

[austere warren]

So I get cut off from incoming hordes sometimes and trick myself into thinking I'll get help. Then sometimes some jackass wants to get mad at for having to fight my way through shit they didn't finish off. 😒

[tulip kettle]

okay, so, psyker has positive stamina regen when sprint sliding

[eager knoll]

haha little psyker you wanted more toughness?

FUCK you

[tulip kettle]

and toughness gen doesnt work how you likely think it does

[eager knoll]

+30% toughness number that ✨ doesn't do anything ✨

[tulip kettle]

its not exagarating to say it doesnt do anything

[eager knoll]

it doesn't work how i want it to

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt function like you think

[eager knoll]

it does function how i think i simply believed against it

[tulip kettle]

it just speeds up coherency toughness regen

[eager knoll]

it functions how i know, not how i want

[tulip kettle]

sure fine

[deft stump]

It only works for coherency regen. It's a trash thing.

[tulip kettle]

and same for stam regen

you just dont need it on psyker

[deft stump]

I need my 15 pushes.

[eager knoll]

awesome

[tulip kettle]

it speeds up the rate at which you begin to recover stamina. on psyker you are already stamina positive

[eager knoll]

stamina regen doesn't let u dodge more frequently?

[tulip kettle]

so its pointless. and yes i know karien thats why you run +9 stamina 🙂

[tulip kettle]

not in any way

stamina and dodges are unrelated

[deft stump]

It only affects regen numbers for stamina.

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt interact with dodges at all

[deft stump]

Only Zealot makes it feel like something tbh.

[tulip kettle]

stamina and dodges are seperate things

[eager knoll]

nothing in the curios interacts with dodges?

[tulip kettle]

nope

[eager knoll]

in that case

ok

[deft stump]

Only talents. Basically only Anticipation.

[eager knoll]

i set up my curios entirely with wishful thinking :skul:

[tulip kettle]

honestly, on every class you want 3 x cooldown reduction minor nodes

then the other 6 slots are class dependent but on psyker the meta is at least 1 gunner resist

and beyond that its to taste. i recommend at least 1 corruption res and at least 1 revive speed

leaving you with 3 to do with what you will

[austere warren]

Eh. Tripling down with 3 stamina curios and only taking stamina regeneration, sprint efficiency is more of a "I really know what I'm doing and fucking around thing"

Personally would only whip that out for something like aurics and if you're being real nutty with right tree psyker antics and other weapons that lean into that. It's fun but can be hard to recover from mistakes so it's definitely a "weirdos" move.

[tulip kettle]

correct, is why carry-em does it

[austere warren]

I enjoy it a great deal.

Speed

[tulip kettle]

3 x + 3 stamina with 3 x stam regen, 3x sprint eff, 3 x block cost red

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-run-jujutsu-kaisen-shibuya-infinite-void-run-gif-17305647615622767889

[tulip kettle]

for full memes

[austere warren]

Like you can definitely be hella effective with it but you aren't exactly allowed to fuck up lmao

[brazen warren]

zooming really fast with SG is fun

[eager knoll]

i have a warp siphon bubble purg build that constantly places multiple domes on top of each other

[brazen warren]

add in the crit speed boost and side dodge slide on taxe and ascend

[eager knoll]

cooldown so fast it has no curio slots dedicated to it

[austere warren]

And there's plenty of ways to make the right mistakes and get folded into the laundry bag.

[deft stump]

I do that with with block effi instead of sprint effi.

[austere warren]

I just love pushing psyker bullshit in that department when I'm in the mood for it.

[brazen warren]

https://tenor.com/view/safemoon-gif-shinobi-gif-22327699

[tulip kettle]

psyker i think widely accepted looks like this, with the rest being whatever you want (not toughness gen and likely not stam regen outside meme builds)

[austere warren]

Warp speed, dd, some other nonsense.

[eager knoll]

the curios i'[m editing rn are for my scriers melee build

[deft stump]

I tank DHs for funni. Or well, when I used to help with MM.

[austere warren]

Mmhm understandable.

[eager knoll]

took every movement and crit talent

removed all the burn stuff i just liked watching the fire spreading around

wish i could send images

[tulip kettle]

yeah theres a good discussion on scriers builds a bit further up

[eager knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722959512343937076/1435062338188218398/image.png?ex=690a9973&is=690947f3&hm=43713be2b8604e2d12c0a28f3588b993ab6911ead89ec25bfa48f0a6a21b64e1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=505&height=795 scuffed but works

[tulip kettle]

generally something like this with minor variations for personal preferences

[eager knoll]

(the image)

[austere warren]

Guess what? The first time I died playing around with the setup i was fooling around with/actually understanding was me dead ass zooming too much to reposition from a horde that was getting ready encircle me...

RIGHT into a DH 🤣

[tulip kettle]

theres a few issus with yours but its broadly ok

[austere warren]

"Oh I guess I'm dead here actually"

[tulip kettle]

we discuss them above

[strong gulch]

Use this site. It's official and can be used while you don't have image perms. Or keep chatting until you get them.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[eager knoll]

if u aggro a dh right when u get in an elevator it comes out the other side to get u

consume him in the small box

[tulip kettle]

KD just by itself will let you tank a Dh forever

[eager knoll]

i had a wonderful auric run with all randoms a few days ago and we aggro'd all 5 hosts that spawned

[eager knoll]

i used to use it

i used it for so many years straight now i don't want to use it

[austere warren]

At the time I was just too lost in my goofy sauce and idr if I took ot that time.

[deft stump]

Just hold block for 4 mins.

[tulip kettle]

right. just wondering, what weapons are you using with the build you posted

[eager knoll]

mk vi greatsword with shred and precognition

[austere warren]

I think I took the one that plays with reload on peril or whatever

[eager knoll]

trauma staff with rending shockwave and warp flurry

sword has bonuses for carapace and weakspot, staff bonuses for carapace and unyielding

[tulip kettle]

ok. i would recommend changing precog for unstable

and weakspot is utter trash and should be changed for unyielding

i can explain why, or you can just "trust me bro"

[strong gulch]

If you're doing the Arco classic (support VB to set up melee) then rending + blazing spirit (and true aim) is the way to go.

[eager knoll]

why

[tulip kettle]

to which bit, weakspot or unstable over precog

[eager knoll]

weakspot

[strong gulch]

Could do surge if you need lmb spam.

[eager knoll]

and unstable tbh

i don't follow either rn

[tulip kettle]

weakspot doesnt work how you think it does, so lets cover that first

lets say your attack does 100 dmg base

[eager knoll]

:sleem: god i love games where the numbers aren't the numbers

i played a game like this but my friend make a separate app that could track and display every damage stat

[tulip kettle]

and on weakspots you get a 25 % bonus, for 125 damage

[eager knoll]

yes

[tulip kettle]

that weakspot perk only increases the weakspot damage, of 25, by 10%

giving you a total of 127.5 damage

[eager knoll]

EW

i'm guessing unstable vs precog is the same thing

[tulip kettle]

instead, if you chose, say, carapace

[eager knoll]

yes?

[tulip kettle]

unstable doesnt work how its listed

it actualy goes to 20%

[eager knoll]

i suspected

and didn't want to test

[tulip kettle]

and 20% str is an insane buff

[eager knoll]

i hate testing

I HATE WRITING NUMBERS

[terse sparrow]

could i get someone to help me in a private match getting this malleus monstronum achievement? its my last one to do

[eager knoll]

that's ridiculous yeah

thank you

now i have 2 sprint efficiencies on my curios which i think isn't a terrible idea because i like to be able to zoom anywhere anytime if i have to get somewhere

i liek to revive people a lot

[tulip kettle]

as long as you have the set up i posted above, the extra slots are for whatever you want. sprint efficiency and revive speed are good choices

[eager knoll]

swagular

used to run gunner resist, might add again if need to

[tulip kettle]

in havoc its really needed, in lower you can get away without it

same for taking 2 tough 1 hp

[eager knoll]

2 tough 1 hp i have

[tulip kettle]

with 1 hp and 1 corruption resist you actually dont insta down to bursters, which is nice

[eager knoll]

makes sense

still learning the build

rn it can eat 2 bursters, third one is death

[tulip kettle]

i think with 2* corruption resist you also wont get deleted by overheads and will just down instead

[eager knoll]

can take overhead from crusher in case that happens

[eager knoll]

this for havoc?

[tulip kettle]

yes always

[deft stump]

No, you need 3 unless you stack hp.

[eager knoll]

i'm level 8 for that i never get to play

[deft stump]

If h40.

[eager knoll]

so i never build for it

[tulip kettle]

good to know, ty

i just accept my fate

[eager knoll]

i like to build my own builds incrementally so i can eventually understand everything better

now i understand little

[tulip kettle]

normal dom splatter

[eager knoll]

and if i only play auric i can't build for havoc 💔

[deft stump]

Zealot with my 21 21 5 5 5 hp and 3x corruption resist... a crusher will do 45% of my hp in corruption.

[eager knoll]

every time i play havoc missions at my level it's easier than auric

so i'm clearly missing experience i need to appreciate everything

[tulip kettle]

i mean psyker with OWtW and Jad and 3 toughness with 3 minor toughness wont even down to an overhead

[strong gulch]

me with no HP curio and no corruption resist.

[tulip kettle]

which is fair and balanced™

[eager knoll]

do u know the interaction between quietude and jad

like the nubmers

[tulip kettle]

what exactly are you asking here?

[eager knoll]

it's cool that taking damage generates toughness

but i'm wondering how many points of damage become how much toughness

[tulip kettle]

ah right i see

[eager knoll]

if don't know is ok

[tulip kettle]

yes so its damage is converted to peril at 25% of the damage is converted to peril, quietitude regenerates 4% toughness for each 10% peril you gained from the attack

you gain the toughness amount of the full peril you would have received

but you dont necessarily generate the full amount of peril

essentially, JaD gives full effect even at 96.99 peril

you get 25% DR for the full dmg even if you only generate 0.01% peril

JaD is brokenly good and one of the strongest DR/TDR talents in the game. i just dont like it because generating peril without choosing to do it myself is bad.

[deft stump]

Isn't it bugged to set you to 97% if over it?

[tulip kettle]

yes its broken

but you dont get the DR if over 97

[eager knoll]

that makes sense

[deft stump]

Can still save you.

[eager knoll]

so far i've gotten away with crack of bone to bring peril down

[terse sparrow]

anyone down to help me out with malleus monstronum penance?

[eager knoll]

kinda been struggling to keep peril up if anything

i can't get it up 😢

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats what SG, assail, and rubbing your long hard thing are for

[eager knoll]

me have kinetic flayer

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah you have trauma on the build

[eager knoll]

love me staff

love me beloved

[tulip kettle]

well, i mean your build is a bit odd honestly so i dont want to go into it too much

[terse sparrow]

scriers gaze will be your viagra lol

[eager knoll]

it's a build that wants to kill every big thing in melee while being able to revive teammates even in really really questionable situations

[tulip kettle]

and sry dude im not up for it rn, i think karien has also done her time doing MM helping

yeah its not that dude, give me a sec

[eager knoll]

idk it's like violent medic build

i want to use scriers because it lets me walk through crowds of enemies towards downed teammates without worrying that my team isn't helping

[tulip kettle]

its just a few of the talent choices dont really make sense

[terse sparrow]

dang, its my last penance 😭 why do they have to lock these behind private matches if i cant go in solo?

[tulip kettle]

and you would get a lot more out of the build by taking a few you dont have

[eager knoll]

i'm open to changes

otherwise i'll keep playing and change it that way

[tulip kettle]

my first Q would be, why are you running the trauma staff specifically

and when do you use it

[eager knoll]

waves of crushers

[deft stump]

Is more, is like 8:47am and I'm half asleep.

[eager knoll]

that's pretty much it

[deft stump]

Also, hungry.

[eager knoll]

knock them over

[tulip kettle]

and you run rending and flurry, correct?

[eager knoll]

if teammate down, start spamming it so everything is knocked down so team can move freely

yeah

[tulip kettle]

this is all fine im just trying to understand your playstyle

[eager knoll]

yeye

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure ok i get it

well, i think trying to free up a point for warp unbound would be very good

as then you can spam your staff essentially forever without needing to quell or worry about peril

i also think EE is giving you very, very little value

[eager knoll]

true, currently when i activate scriers i have to stop using staff

[tulip kettle]

as you arent getting crits with your 7.5% crit rate on your staff

and when youre in melee to get crits with your sword you arent getting shot anyway

[eager knoll]

a lot of fights i've been having are reapers behind crushers

i'd die without it

i added it after it happened

[tulip kettle]

reapers behind enemies will shoot the enemies not you

they dont have bullet pen

[eager knoll]

closing distance once they're out of the way is easy with EE 💔

[buoyant maple]

EE is not worth if u can't crit super frequently

[eager knoll]

i crit all da time

[buoyant maple]

the other DR talents are better

[tulip kettle]

yeah but again you arent critting

[buoyant maple]

if u rly need DR get OwtW + JaD it's pretty bonkers

[tulip kettle]

and once you are distance closing you arent hitting anything with sword so no crits there

[eager knoll]

on crushers i don't spam it unless my team is dead

[tulip kettle]

yeah he has it

[eager knoll]

and then they're stun locked basically

i prefer sword spam

always critting

[tulip kettle]

right all im saying is that, with your staff, which would usually be your source of crits, you arent getting enough crits to get any value from EE

[eager knoll]

using true aim, had it when i was trying the soulblaze perk on staff

[tulip kettle]

and i was about to mention true aim for the same reason

you arent ever hitting weakspots with trauma staff

[buoyant maple]

outside of inferno and m1 EK, EE doesn't have that great uptime for staff

[tulip kettle]

and you arent running any crit on the staff with rending and flurry

[eager knoll]

"5 weakspots hits... next ranged attack" does this mean it only applies to ranged attacks

like u get the stacks from ranged attacks only

[tulip kettle]

no, it means you will proc 1 single crit

and then be immune for precisely 1 second

[eager knoll]

not worth now that i'm not playing with burn

[tulip kettle]

and then die

[buoyant maple]

u can get stack from any weakspot hit
but the guaranteed crit is only activated for ranged atk

[tulip kettle]

precisely

[eager knoll]

if the sword is always out i'm always immune to range

i can't justify removing it

based on

[tulip kettle]

right but we just discussed that

[eager knoll]

the way games have gone

[eager knoll]

crossfires happen

[tulip kettle]

if you are in melee and actively hitting stuff

[eager knoll]

all the time

[tulip kettle]

you arent being shot

[eager knoll]

i play only with randoms

idk i play the game and get shot all the time in melee

[tulip kettle]

press space bar

[eager knoll]

that's for crusher overheads

not gunners to my 3 or 9

must emphasize random teammates

[tulip kettle]

right but if theres gunners to your 3 or 9 you are stood in the wrong place

[deft stump]

Ask me like 12 hours from now to like 18 hours from now or so and I will though.

[tulip kettle]

its a positioning error

[eager knoll]

ends up fine

cause i can run at them

[tulip kettle]

right sure, its your game dude

[eager knoll]

i like warp unbound

i can remove something else

[tulip kettle]

its either EE or JaD really

and changing true aim for KD as true aim is giving you almost 0 value

[eager knoll]

true aim gone

[tulip kettle]

with different weapons true aim would be good but not with rending trauma

[eager knoll]

one wiht the warp a must-have?

[tulip kettle]

no, but its very good

i prefer it to JaD

33% TDR no joke

[deft stump]

Take both.

[tulip kettle]

yeah but jaD makes me go kaboom one time so i will never play with it again

[eager knoll]

both feels nice but i'm also positioning way more aggressively than i should because i'm trying to learn how well the new talents work against sources of damage

if i always avoid damage idk what to fix

[eager knoll]

i feared that

[tulip kettle]

it will happen to you

charging staff at 80% peril

poxwalkers hits you

now you splode

[eager knoll]

i remove

does this apply to the active duration and the lingering effect, or just the lingering

[tulip kettle]

well you cant explode during active

[buoyant maple]

I gamble with battle meditation now

[eager knoll]

was it always like that?

[tulip kettle]

because you are at below 100% peril

[eager knoll]

nvm

right

[tulip kettle]

well, yes, because you wont be at 100% peril

but it means for 10 seconds after you wont explode even at 100% peril

which is why im saying its so good for your staff

you can activate scriers then just spam

[buoyant maple]

for 10s after u max peril with watever reason after using SG, u can spam magical bs however u like

[eager knoll]

warp rider likes that very much

i like

[tulip kettle]

indeed

and with psykinetics aura, which you have, and the cdr on your curios, which you have

SG will usually be ready again before the 10s ends

= infinite casting

[eager knoll]

epic

i wish i could justify removing EE but it's clutch when people are down

[tulip kettle]

yeah its your choice dude, its just EE is usually for comboing with a ranged weapon that procs lots of crits

and you dont have that

[eager knoll]

yed

i've been liking kinetic flayer because i can put extra damage in without changing my staff/sword rhythm

[tulip kettle]

yes its very good

[deft stump]

Or at least gamble with assail.

[eager knoll]

GAMBA?

[tulip kettle]

generally, BB itself is poopy but kinetic flayer makes it worth taking on many builds

[eager knoll]

[tulip kettle]

you earned image perms also, grats

[eager knoll]

yay

orang

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-frone-explode-dies-gif-14493096138927684504

just saw the minis channel ooooooo

here is my fit (swag)

[wary sky]

drip or drown and my boy out here is treading water

[valid delta]

anyone have a link to a good melee psyker Scrier build?

[prime elk]

Pins has a bunch of builds

[teal ivy]

I run this same build or something close to it I beleive. It’s…wonderous.

[proper osprey]

Yeah

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer check description for more weapons

[proper osprey]

Why no quietude and JaD

[valid delta]

What's the ideal perks/blessings for Force Greatsword? (mk8)

Unstable + Shred I assume? Not sure about the perks though.

[modest perch]

unyielding carapace

also the m6 is better

[eager knoll]

mk8 has nice horizontal sweeps and the overhead heavy stagger is better than the mk6

[valid delta]

Still learning the move set for m6... Seems chain heavies for heavies. But having trouble with hordes still.

[eager knoll]

mk6 is better at making things dead

[modest perch]

3 lights then a heavy

[eager knoll]

i like to do something like LLL then special

[modest perch]

or push attack then heavy

[eager knoll]

or heavy depending

[modest perch]

i think

[eager knoll]

for hordes, LLL push attack repeat, can throw in special attack if u need

[valid delta]

(Also, default skin looks better on M8)

[tulip kettle]

because i hate JaD and i dont have a point for quietitude

for hordes on mk 6 its light light block cancel

or light light swap cancel if you use macros / are a zoomer and can press swap weapon twice fast enough

and the heavies on mk6 are strictly better than mk 8

please no spread misinfo in psyker chat

[zealous wing]

i do agree on the fact that mk8 looks nicer 😔

mk6 is otherwise better though

[quiet inlet]

Stabbing something in the face with a big sword is cathartic as well

[tulip kettle]

factual and based

i also just got matched with an actual cheater

first time i ever reported someone in this game

[brazen warren]

the occasional lone crusher meets his end with an fgs poke to the eye

or ragers, they get the fgs poke more often

[tulip kettle]

ragers get push attacked onto the floor then stabbed when theyre down because fuck em

[terse sparrow]

the voices may get to me sometimes, but tame impala brings me back down 🙂 (dracula)

[proper osprey]

You could drop assail node

[tulip kettle]

yeah but i tried playing without it and it felt worse

[proper osprey]

Or change more dd to longer dd

[strong gulch]

FGS hordes is doing 2 to 3 lights then BC (block cancel).

So L L BC. Constantly tossing out specials on FGS is to gen peril for shriek, bleed meme, or CC. You lose out on FGS special DPS by spamming it.

Better is swap cancel, but that is harder to do.

[tulip kettle]

plus i get plenty of toughness from mettle and WE

[valid delta]

Is there a way to light attack into the stab on FSG?

[tulip kettle]

and more DD is more dmg

[valid delta]

L - L - H?

[proper osprey]

That’s fair

[tulip kettle]

yes thats exactly it, light then heavy if you arent sprinting

if youre sprinting its 2 lights then heavy

[valid delta]

I can't seem ot do it... 2 lights and heavy does an overhead in meatgrinder

[tulip kettle]

mk 8?

mk 8 you must push for stab

[strong gulch]

Also, you don't have to be completely marries to LLBC. You get a feel for what and when you need to do something.

By light 2 or 3, you usually have to block, dodge, or toss an assail (if you're using that), etc.

[strong gulch]

LH on FGS6

[tulip kettle]

yeah i assume if its not working for you its because you are using MK8, in which case you only get stab by push attacking then heavy, which is why its worse than mk6

and the stab is better than the overhead, which is why MK6 is so good because its easily accessible and loops on the heavy chain

[valid delta]

FGS mk6

[tulip kettle]

yeah on MK8 the only way to stab is by push attacking into it

just use mk6 dude

is just better

[valid delta]

Now you're confusing me. I'm using the mk6 but L, L, H is the overhead, not the thrust.

[tulip kettle]

llH is overhead if you arent sprinting

[strong gulch]

H2

[tulip kettle]

if you are sprinting, its 2 lights then a heavy to stab

if you arent sprinting, its 1 light then a heavy to stab

[valid delta]

L, H, L, L, H, is the combo to loop

[tulip kettle]

again, no, just listen dude

[strong gulch]

LH
HH
SH

All of those get you to the H2 on FGS6.

[tulip kettle]

on mk 6

for hordes, you do 2 lights, then press block until your hand comes up. do this on a loop

[valid delta]

I'm literally standing in meatgrinder. It's L H if you are stationary.

[tulip kettle]

for other stuff, just chain heavies

yes i just said that

thats what i said

1 light then heavy if not sprinting

2 lights then heavy if sprinting

[valid delta]

Confusing

[tulip kettle]

no its just the move sets, potato posted the chart

you have an additional light at the start of combos if you are sprinting or just swapped to the weapon

[valid delta]

I mean you keep changing this.

[tulip kettle]

no, i dont

i have said the same thing constantly

please read

[valid delta]

What did I just quote?

[strong gulch]

Sprinting, slide, equip have different attack than L1.

[tulip kettle]

it says overhead, not stab

[valid delta]

I see. My b then.

[tulip kettle]

but you dont need to remember any combos, its just braindead easy. Light - Light - tap block - loop for hordes

heavy heavy loop for elites

[strong gulch]

By the time you get the your 2nd or 3rd light, you should be blocking or something anyways. Enemies are trying to getcha.

[tulip kettle]

you can get real fancy and do L L L H on a loop for mixed hordes, but i wouldnt bother.

[brazen warren]

just the push but not the attack on most weapons helps a ton on managing hyper density in melee

[strong gulch]

There is room to get optimized combo loops and whatever, but just swing also works.

[brazen warren]

flinch 5-8 guys in a shove

[wind spruce]

I really love the amount of potential FG mk6 has for optimisation even if its largely unnecessary. Weaving in the heavy for horde clear. Block cancelling the extra light on weapon swap. Light attacking then sliding up up to two times while you're holding the heavy stab, remembering that l1 will combo into stab when you're alreading in a light chain, knowing that your single target heavies combo into the light strike down, etc

[tulip kettle]

yeah its cool

essentially its "did my last attack come from the top right 90 degree section of the screen? - then i will stab on next heavy"

[wind spruce]

Yeah that's the cue I look for, and bottom right for horde clear heavy

[tulip kettle]

it also has a few uppercuts which do great dmg if you can actually hit heads with em, but i often cant. which is why i also dont get along with obscuras

skissue

[wind spruce]

I thought the light uppercuts were the same profile as the slash from the top right but I could be wrong

[tulip kettle]

i think it has a higher finesse modifier, im not sure. maybe i just always crit with them. i use them so little tbh

i know the uppercuts on relic blade and obscuras have high finesse multipliers so maybe i just assumed its the same

[daring nexus]

Just started playing around with the obscuras again for the first time in like 2 years. I’m delighted with it

[tulip kettle]

yeah its kind of the middle child between horde clear illisi and stabby stab deimos. I think before the crusher rework obscuras had better TTK into crushers but now with the increased health pool im not so sure. Its still probably faster because deimos tends to knock em down out of stabbin range

[buoyant maple]

obscurus is ~4.6k carapace dps on a staff build

3 hit vs 6.5k hp crusher

[tulip kettle]

it always was a 3 hit combo so if it still does it thats good

[buoyant maple]

well now the 3 hit is 2 heavy atks

[tulip kettle]

oh rly?

so i dont have to land that nonsense uppercut to pull it off?

maybe i will give it a go

[daring nexus]

I usually flub the uppercut, but if you crit with the heavy and the stab you can kill a crusher in one combo

[tulip kettle]

so thats H L L combo but you can miss the second L? intersting

im surprised that works

[buoyant maple]

H1
L2
H1

is still 3 hit

on a staff build

given uncanny + superiority

it's 6.5k hp crusher tho

[daring nexus]

This is also assuming you can like full destiny stacks

[buoyant maple]

this is staff build without SG or DD

warp siphon 6 stack

[tulip kettle]

hmm with even a little bit of experimentation i still prefer the utlity of deimos H2

[buoyant maple]

deimos is a much safer melee

[daring nexus]

I play a weird build. I take the shield but also run DD for assail and melee damage