Yea. But that's probably why they toned them down. Often times I'd prefer the bots to human players
#psyker-class
restive slate
Only small thing I'd change at the very least is give the DT bots some activatable abilities
There's a reason why Mercenary Kruber was so useful with his shouts in VT2
quartz barn
Rip better bots mod
candid temple
if I don't kill specials (and elites), my team dies 
quartz barn
One thing the dt bots have over vt bots however is that their melee ai is better and actually prio you (and will just tp on top of you to get revives lmao)
But they cant understand ranged and just get melted by shooters in havoc
candid temple
💀
idk, I prefer vt2 bots, if you built 'em proper, they were tanky and afraid of nothing
(+mod to make 'em good)
ripe obsidian
if I don't kill specials (and elites), my team dies <:pepe_pain:1221008793836720...
I will say that any game that ends with me having the most special kills is often a very hard one
If someone else has the most special kills or boss damage, it's probably a fairly smooth game
quartz barn
If someone else has the most special kills or boss damage, it's probably a fairl...
On my end this just means someone else aside from me is actually good
plucky flax
Problem with bubble psykers is they are not psyker main and they just play it cos 'meta' then they suck ass do no damage and die anyway.
quartz barn
I almost always have the most special kills but thats mostly because of target prio
Like theres no reason i get to do an average of 1.2m dmg as cc bot arbi in regular auric
ripe obsidian
On my end this just means someone else aside from me is actually good
Very often I find myself at the back of fights clearing specials as they run in behind us
Sometimes turning to Shriek the horde
strong gulch
I try to handle the back because I'm usually 2nd psyker. I want my purg to keep it pushing.
ripe obsidian
Problem with bubble psykers is they are not psyker main and they just play it co...
I prefer Shriek to Bubble for enjoyment and impact on the game, but with the special spam this season of Havoc, most randoms just can't survive 4 flamers and 2 bombers
strong gulch
Shriek is nice at pausing the line.
Bubble is... it's good but shriek feels good.
and is good
wall pushing enemies back like sister of the thorns wall might be fun
restive slate
wall pushing enemies back like sister of the thorns wall might be fun
I'm hoping for new Psyker staves that can do smth like that
A bit of a waste to not apply what's developed in VT2
strong gulch
Hoping for new psyker staves?? oof
restive slate
I dwanna play Infernus Psyker anymoreeee
potent echo
restive slate
Give it to Voidstrike
celest valve
Problem with bubble psykers is they are not psyker main and they just play it co...
New psykers. All they know how to do is suck ass, do no damage, and die.
ripe obsidian
I'm not a new psyker and I do all those things
strong gulch
Something something consumerism under capitalism.
sand field
Ever since I went vent, bubble has become somthing I only do when the team asks for it
ripe obsidian
Bubble is something I do after losses to try to keep people alive. Mixed success.
sand field
I need to fill some penances and want to try somethimg new. Looking for builds that use prescience and scrier's gaze.
celest valve
sand field
Check the pinnnnnnsssssssssss
With the recent updates, it is hard to spot if guides and pins are up to date
candid temple
is there a guide to fgs combos somewhere?
strong gulch
I made it after the update
Adding an updated on x date to the pin might be good.
sand field
I made it after the update
Oh right the bonanza, thanks, I still had the atheneum in my brain but I used the bonanza before.
languid cipher
Bubble is... it's good but shriek feels good.
It feels so good
cosmic sigil
is there a guide to fgs combos somewhere?
There's the video made by Reginald
You should have the basics
graceful arch
Adding an updated on x date to the pin might be good.
Updated after bound by duty update.
plucky flax
Bubble is something I do after losses to try to keep people alive. Mixed success...
I haven't had too many people complain about my lack of bubble but I only self host.
I don't get accepted into other lobbies when they don't see bubble on my loadout. 
strong gulch
Updated after bound by duty update.
A date would be better. A date with the latest patch number would be even better but more involved. Not everyone is gonna know patch date themselves. Most people just want to know if something has been updated within the last 3 or 6 months and / valid after an impactful update.
strong gulch
is there a guide to fgs combos somewhere?
The simple of it is do lights for hordes and heavies for single.
LL BC (block cancel) is better and safer for hordes than doing just light spam.
For FGS8, PA (push attack) then H should be incorporated to get the big upper stab.
Here's the move set if that helps.
wraith sphinx
They probably have this in codex astartes
candid temple
Here's the move set if that helps.
block should reset all the combos right?
candid temple
how odd
what are these attacks? 
it works if I don't use primary override
and held keybind instead
oh well
paper moth
im fairly new to the game. Does the toughness regeneration speed on curio affect the regen of bubble?
solid pond
im fairly new to the game. Does the toughness regeneration speed on curio affect...
No
Only affects the time between getting hit and your toughness starting to regenerate, or it's just the speed it regenerates once it has started
Someone is bound to know but I never looked into it cuz it's useless either way lol
The thing you're looking for is Combat ability regen
1-4% depending on the tier
candid temple
isn't it only coherency toughness regeneration?
solid pond
Yea
marble crater
candid temple
solid pond
isn't it only coherency toughness regeneration?
This is what I meant with "starting to regenerate" I just didn't type it
proper spoke
im fairly new to the game. Does the toughness regeneration speed on curio affect...
That's ability cooldown
paper moth
That's ability cooldown
i thought it can boost the rate of the shield regen as it has a sub call Sanctuary
marble crater
They are asking if toughness regen speed affects the toughness regen inside the bubble
proper spoke
Oh. My bad. I misunderstood
plucky flax
Bubbles can stack tho for faster regen
paper moth
my last game i got fked by the daemonhost because i run out of stamina for blocking 😫 maybe should invest some stat onto it
marble crater
Or just don't aggro it 
paper moth
i learnt the hard way
marble crater
There is also a build for leveling psykers in the pinned guide, might be helpful
paper moth
remind me of the Witch of lfd
paper moth
There is also a build for leveling psykers in the pinned guide, might be helpful
thx. Im looking into it
solid pond
remind me of the Witch of lfd
That is pretty much exactly what it is lol
Avoid it, or be set up to kill it
plucky flax
my last game i got fked by the daemonhost because i run out of stamina for block...
Warp ghost and/or kd is nice. Don't run stam curio
paper moth
Warp ghost and/or kd is nice. Don't run stam curio
thx. I haven't maxed lv yet and that node seems to fix my current problem
wraith sphinx
Yes yelling is very strong
acoustic jacinth
https://www.youtube.com/@VECTirn101
IT'S ALL PURG STAFF? ALWAYS HAS BEEN
long saddle
my last game i got fked by the daemonhost because i run out of stamina for block...
if you're able to get it on the bottom right of the tree, the kinetic deflection talent uses peril instead of stamina for blocking
allows you to comfortably block most bosses (assuming you manage your peril)
it also helps immensely when trying to revive someone
and if you still need some extra stamina I'd recommend the warp ghost ability, which gives 2 extra stamina along with other great benefits
psyker generally doesn't need much investment in to stamina via curios for example since it has a short delay and fast stamina regeneration
candid temple
I love inferno staffer blowing up poxbursters
well
I guess not everyone has nameplates or ears.
long saddle
you can in ideal situation just lmb them away
obtuse dome
I guess not everyone has nameplates or ears.
Ngl that shit makes me leave games
long saddle
but it's nowhere near as reliant as shoving
quartz barn
I usually just lmb so ill still hit the rest of the horde
quartz barn
If people run in to push while im already beaming its on them
candid temple
I was pushing it 
obtuse dome
If people run in to push while im already beaming its on them
I disagree
U want to push for safety
Of you and team
Its same thing with vets who cant stop shooting
Just dont shoot for 1 sec
quartz barn
My comment was for those who run towards them to then push them further away
quartz barn
Not while the burster is in melee range already
plucky flax
Get it away from me
quartz barn
Even then theres no reason to stop attacking with purg
Just lmb twice and continue rmbing
long saddle
purg is like the exception to shooting when a burster approaches
quartz barn
Because its lmb is meant for pushing/stagger and barely does damage
People just have trauma to kf proccing, which doesnt work on bursters anymore
long saddle
tbf I haven't also played much purg since that change
lmb can't do anything while they've already jumped right?
so shoves are usually the safest
plucky flax
You can use left click to stagger when they jump
It works like a push
Bring back my quell cancel 
candid temple
, I should've bought the overcoat skin
but I wasn't sure if I'd play psyker enough and maybe there's a better skin next cycle
mfw I was eating no overheads in NA, back to eu and I'm dying to maulers 
Maybe I should go to sleep.
languid cipher
https://www.youtube.com/@VECTirn101
what mods are you running?
stable bluff
What mod are you using?
candid temple
What mod are you using?
it's powerDI
buoyant maple
They do
hazy birch
Just lmb twice and continue rmbing
Is there some reason you'd want to be mixing lmb attacks in with rmbs on the inferno?
marble crater
Lmb for great stagger on everything other than crushers, rmb for better dps
hazy birch
Pretty sure rmb staggers too
marble crater
If it does, it's so weak that it doesn't do anything, maybe you are thinking of suppression
hazy birch
I know there's some interactions with certain perks that want you swapping between them but I was unsure if there was some other reason to weave them. Like maybe it had some sort of debuff property or something
marble crater
It's easy to see, walk up to a group of ragers. See if you survive with rmb or with lmb
hazy birch
No I'm thinking about stagger for sure
marble crater
Go ahead and test, I will wait for the report 
hazy birch
Honestly I don't think lmb spam is going to help either lol but you've got be curious enough to try it now
Cuz honestly I thought lmb was just a quick burst of rmb essentially.
marble crater
Nah they have pretty different uses
hazy birch
Working on a support build for my psyker with smite, bubble and purg. Despite not having assail or any other real "damage focused" nodes like the ones I use for my gunner build, it was cranking
marble crater
Purg and smite is redundant
hazy birch
Nah
marble crater
And you won't have a long range option for gunners, specials, snipers
hazy birch
I can't lock down that many things with purg
proper osprey
I stopped using bubble especially with this recent patch
hazy birch
And you won't have a long range option for gunners, specials, snipers
Don't need it really. Got bubble and ping lol
marble crater
Right, because with purg you can just kill them instead of tickling them with smite
proper osprey
Venting should solve that
hazy birch
Was doing Auric's with it last night pretty breezy
dense moon
I'm curious. Am I not playing a high enough difficulty for the inferno staff to shine? I'm very new (have yet to level a character to level 30) and just unlocked the inferno staff and did a few runs with its base line. And- I found it incredibly underwhelming in comparison to the heavy las or something. Does it scale better in higher difficulty or is its power overstated? I find it's short range and lackluster damage underwhelming
hazy birch
Definitely does better with more mobs
proper osprey
I'm curious. Am I not playing a high enough difficulty for the inferno staff to ...
Gotta build it right
dense moon
So in short- too low level for it to shine?
proper osprey
I'm curious. Am I not playing a high enough difficulty for the inferno staff to ...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-inferno-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is what I use
hazy birch
Right, because with purg you can just kill them instead of tickling them with sm...
I get it, but I rarely use it anyways and it's more of a clutch tool to help survive situations I couldn't DPS my way out of anyways.
proper osprey
So in short- too low level for it to shine?
Basically, it still should do good tho
hazy birch
And I can't stand brain burst
marble crater
I'm curious. Am I not playing a high enough difficulty for the inferno staff to ...
Problem 1: staves at low level suck because of the lack of stats
Problem 2: purg deals the same damage in all difficulties, but it looks a lot more impressive if you actually fight big hordes.
While leveling stick to guns and assail, there is a build in the pinned guide for psyker leveling
weary idol
I'm curious. Am I not playing a high enough difficulty for the inferno staff to ...
Psyker is probably the worst class before level 30 in the game because of how dependent their unique weapons are on having full stats
dense moon
I've been doing great sword heavy las and brain burst (set to trigger on attacks) and kinda just been playing swinging at hordes and tagging elites with brain bursting las pistol
marble crater
I get it, but I rarely use it anyways and it's more of a clutch tool to help sur...
Instead of smite you can also just stagger the enemies with lmb from purg, other than crushers, but that's why you have your melee. Purg and smite in the same build just makes very little sense and leaves you vulnerable to ranged threats. I really advice against it
hazy birch
I forgot brain burst can auto trigger
dense moon
Psyker is probably the worst class before level 30 in the game because of how de...
So just kinda struggle bus until you reach high level and then still struggle bus as the glass cannon but with more cannon? 🤔
quartz barn
Is there some reason you'd want to be mixing lmb attacks in with rmbs on the inf...
Exclusively for pushing bursters, dreg ragers that somehow made it into melee range and short suppression on gunners (gives you time to charge your rmb)
hazy birch
Instead of smite you can also just stagger the enemies with lmb from purg, other...
There's a cast time for lmb and it's AOE isn't that great. The point of the build is to provide support
I'm still cranking damage but I'm not going to be sperma stunning a 360* mass of crushers surrounding us with purg lmb
weary idol
So just kinda struggle bus until you reach high level and then still struggle bu...
psyker isn't glass anymore
That was all Just A Dream™
marble crater
Alright have fun then, hopefully not in my missions though
quartz barn
Other big thing is that you can push into gunner groups with bubble, lmb spam until youre into rmb range and get your rmb charge off before your bubble breaks, facetank with ee afterwards
hazy birch
🤷
quartz barn
Lmb spam also helps in keeping your bubble up so it doesnt break as fast
Most of this is havoc exclusive however
dense moon
What is havoc btw? I see people mention it but I only see up to auric in the difficulty list
hazy birch
Bear in mind I'm not pushing havoc 40 either. Probably won't ever see that. Don't really want to lol but in auric I'm still pushing #1 damage numbers
hazy birch
What is havoc btw? I see people mention it but I only see up to auric in the dif...
Pain
quartz barn
It takes a bit to get into the higher havoc ranks, but that just requires practise in the mode
dense moon
Pain
Are we talking hot sauce in the eyes pain or like cheese graters to the crown jewels?
hazy birch
I did a few havocs and got to 4. Haven't really done much with it since
marble crater
What is havoc btw? I see people mention it but I only see up to auric in the dif...
Special end game difficulty with extra hard modifiers that gets more difficult with each level
quartz barn
Tl dr havoc fun but party finder worst game aspect
hazy birch
Me and another member here qued up with 2 randos from PF and failed a few missions cuz they were constantly dead and that was enough for me
hazy birch
I'm afraid to try with 2 bots
dense moon
When the hack and slash turns into you being the hacked and slashed- maybe I'll probably stick with the normal difficulties lol
hazy birch
I ran with 1 bot before and at low level it was fine but losing that much damage is scary to think about
quartz barn
They wont do anything, but if you can carry 2 people in AM youll be ok
hazy birch
When the hack and slash turns into you being the hacked and slashed- maybe I'll ...
What difficulty are you currently topped out in?
dense moon
Currently since I'm not leveled, uhh the one above the lowest
hazy birch
Yea you got a while before having to think about havoc
dense moon
👀 that far away?
prime elk
100+ hours
hazy birch
At least be comfy in damnation maybe? Heresy at the minimum
weary idol
👀 that far away?
Havoc is an optional "hard mode" that fatshark explcitly stated they do not balance the game around
prime elk
Havoc is an optional "hard mode" that fatshark explcitly stated they do not bala...
(though they do)
weary idol
Featuring more difficult modifiers, altered enemy AI, and the fucking TWINS god I hate them
dense moon
Havoc is an optional "hard mode" that fatshark explcitly stated they do not bala...
🤔 so focus towards getting to auric before thinking about havoc for sure
quartz barn
Havoc is basically auric++
prime elk
havoc is just an ass gamemode anyway
hazy birch
At least damnation. IDK about auric. Early havoc levels are pretty easy
weary idol
I like Havoc when the more egregious modifiers aren't in circulation
quartz barn
Similar to cataclysm+ from vermintide
weary idol
Blight Spreads, Pox Gas, and Stimms suck and are not fun
quartz barn
But with even more modifiers this time
weary idol
Rotten Armor is obnoxiously limiting loadout wise because of how much armor it spams at you
dense moon
Ngl I figured this would be akin to hell divers in how quickly one can scale. Also is that 100 ish hours per character type?
quartz barn
Nah just overal
royal totem
I lose most rot armor games
quartz barn
Havoc requires good neutral skill like dodging and movement
prime elk
It does take a while to actually master the characters
hazy birch
Ngl I figured this would be akin to hell divers in how quickly one can scale. Al...
Hell divers doesn't have scaling
weary idol
Helldivers does get higher enemy density and new enemy types on higher difficulties, but most enemies do not gain more health
quartz barn
But highly recommend you get good at auric / maelstrom before going into havoc
hazy birch
You are as powerful the first time you load up a game as you'll ever be, really. You get more stuff but you're not upgrading gear or anything. You can run super helldives in the same gear you start with
weary idol
And the community also bitches and moans anytime an enemy is even remotely threatening until AH caves and nerfs them into the ground
dense moon
Helldivers does get higher enemy density and new enemy types on higher difficult...
Wait they gain more health?
👀
weary idol
Wait they gain more health?
Yeah enemies gain health as you go up in difficulties this game
hazy birch
Wait till you hear about the healing buffs
weary idol
Especially melee elites
dense moon
And the community also bitches and moans anytime an enemy is even remotely threa...
I- yeah. That. Kinda why I moved away because people kept complaining so they kept making the high difficulty kinda easy
weary idol
Havoc itself goes up to 50% more than Damnation by havoc 40
dense moon
Wait till you hear about the healing buffs
👀 huh
royal totem
Wait till you hear about the healing buffs
Healing buffs?
weary idol
makes certain enemies purple and they rapidly heal other nearby enemies if you don't kill them
royal totem
Oh garden
white sky
Rot Armor+Garden my beloathed
hazy birch
Yea the mobs that heal themselves and everything around them
weary idol
Like You cannot kill other enemies around them until they die level healing
They don't heal themselves
Just others nearby
royal totem
Garden with cranial is k
marble crater
Ngl I figured this would be akin to hell divers in how quickly one can scale. Al...
The 100 hours are more so meant for experience, unless you learn very quickly I guess
hazy birch
Oh thought it was everything
I was trying to kill a rager once that had a weird colored glow and he refused to die
marble crater
Which color?
hazy birch
Almost dead, reloaded my mag, instant back to full
royal totem
Purple rager with blue stim wheeeee
marble crater
ah purple
hazy birch
I was pissed
royal totem
You can actually kill enemies around purple btw
dense moon
The 100 hours are more so meant for experience, unless you learn very quickly I ...
I feel like I'd learn quickly while playing with someone who's experienced. Rn ive been running solo due to uhhh not knowing anyone to teach. And I also wanna get to at least level 30 before bothering someone to teach me. (Not a fan of being bussed to a high level)
royal totem
Just....1 shot them
weary idol
You can actually kill enemies around purple btw
yeah but you have to do like triple their health in dps
or one shot them
dense moon
So first step for me. Level to 30. Then find humans
marble crater
Game doesn't start until lvl 30 anyway
royal totem
Ill play with you! Throw you straight into damnation!
dense moon
Ill play with you! Throw you straight into damnation!
👀
"so your playing psyker remember to use the-"
"I'm level 15 remember"
"FUCK right. Uhh just try not to die"
hazy birch
In easy content, and experienced player will have you playing sprint simulator the entire match. Won't learn much. In content designed for said skilled player, you will be tanking the floor the entire match. Also won't learn much
royal totem
Idk i have not great horde clear so im not good at forcing sprint simulator
Unless i bring thammer and flamer
hazy birch
Just don't play the zealot
white sky
Or do, they're very fun if you like melee
royal totem
Sorry arb too hard for me. Only play zealot now
dense moon
"okay so I'ma teach you to play" selects zealot
"First lesson, keep up"
hazy birch
Or do, they're very fun if you like melee
His specifically is built for single target
dense moon
I've heard the zealot is a very mobile class
royal totem
"okay so I'ma teach you to play" *selects zealot*
"First lesson, keep up"
My zealot is actually slow btw.
weary idol
psyker has better mobility
royal totem
Thammer is a heavy wep
weary idol
the most common zealot playstyle is extremely low mobility
because chorus forces you to walk
hazy birch
I've heard the zealot is a very mobile class
It can be. The charge makes it fun
Zealot was my first main
dense moon
Also should I be focusing one class or leveling them in parallel?
hazy birch
Focus
weary idol
level one class so you can do damnation and actually get an acceptable amount of plasteel/diamantine from missions
marble crater
I would focus on one class and learn it, then when you want something fresh start another
weary idol
mastery also carries over
marble crater
Yea also farming for mats
weary idol
so you can just master one of the universal melees all the human classes share
hazy birch
Yea there's a lot to learn and starting new classes before you finish one just busts you back down to ground level and you don't even have mats to outfit it
terse sparrow
ive really been enjoying my psyker with the combat blade + inferno staff combo, kinda nuts
weary idol
and instantly have a max level weapon on a new char
hazy birch
But do experiment. Id say just get to 30 on one then build another if you want to have some variety
prime elk
ive really been enjoying my psyker with the combat blade + inferno staff combo, ...
kinda nuts describes psyker in general tbh
dense moon
Ive dipped my toes into all 4 (excluding the paid class because what the hell?)
hazy birch
My psyker is batshit crazy
terse sparrow
Ive dipped my toes into all 4 (excluding the paid class because what the hell?)
agreed. wish there was at least a way to earn it in game
weary idol
agreed. wish there was at least a way to earn it in game
extremely unsustainable
royal totem
I bought psyker drip but i dont but have it equipped
terse sparrow
now i cant get any of those penances, cause i literally cant own it
weary idol
new classes include new weapons
penances
EVERY SINGLE VOICE ACTOR IN THE GAME to voice new lines interacting with them
dense moon
So far. I've got most to level 10 except for my zealot because my team keeps uhh... Fumbling the first campaign boss like... I've gotten the character to level 4 AND STILL haven't beaten the first boss with it.
weary idol
3 new voice actors to interact with everyone else
new abilities
animations
visual fx
royal totem
Fatshark has to make money somehow
weary idol
that shit ain't gonna be free
marble crater
6 voices even
weary idol
and it's completely justified that its' not
right
6
6 new voices not 3
I forgot MEN are real
royal totem
cuz their costume shop is kinda bad and probs not a money printer
dense moon
🤔 the issue I don't like with the class being paid for is I feel like there is an incentive for them to make the class absolutely busted early on to make people feel rewarded for buying it, and then eventually nerf it. 👀
hazy birch
They really do need to step up their cosmetic game
dense moon
I get they have to make money some how. And it's a ton of content- but
hazy birch
Though the problem with cosmetics in a fps is that it's hard to justify cuz you never get to see your own character
weary idol
🤔 the issue I don't like with the class being paid for is I feel like there is ...
it was busted on release...because of bugs
but I'm gonna be real with you people were vastly overestimating its strength just because arbites is tanky
hazy birch
I get they have to make money some how. And it's a ton of content- but
The alternative is that they just don't develop new characters. 🤷
weary idol
when it released I still said Psyker and Ogryn were stronger
royal totem
Fatshark cant release anything without bugs
hazy birch
It's a pve game so it's not really "pay to win" to have playable characters locked behind mtx. If it keeps them developing the game I support it.
weary idol
https://fximgur.com/a/MT3KnjV aforementioned bug
the bleed damage dog dealt was bugged for like...a week or so?
and was benefitting from dog damage talents
so it just instant killed anything it touched
dense moon
The alternative is that they just don't develop new characters. 🤷
Which I get is not an option either. And it's a slippery slope of "we spent many many many hours making this class, we need money."
Maybe I'm just traumatized from games that juice up content, get people to buy it, then nerf it to standard after they make the money
hazy birch
https://fximgur.com/a/MT3KnjV aforementioned bug
Yo why can't my dog slay like that
weary idol
Yo why can't my dog slay like that
because they patched it
hazy birch
Which I get is not an option either. And it's a slippery slope of "we spent many...
It's this way for all games. They make new stuff strong so people will be incentivized to use it so they can gather data on it and balance it correctly
junior linden
hazy birch
If it started off shit, nobody would even get it.
weary idol
It's this way for all games. They make new stuff strong so people will be incent...
hey quick question
The relatively recently released Power Falchion for veteran
How is it balance wise?
hazy birch
My vet is like level 17
dense moon
This is true, hmmm I shall assume they are not malicious greedy overlords. For as long as content value is equal to dollar value then sure
weary idol
It sucks ass
hazy birch
And will likely remain there
weary idol
It's really bad
dense moon
And I'm sure there is easily enough content in the arbities for a dollar per hour of fun
hazy birch
There's always exceptions
And with melee weapons "good/bad" typically comes down to move sets
Sounds like they just shat the bed on designing that one
hazy birch
Adms?
dense moon
Speaking of armor- uhh what am I supposed to do as psyker against armor early on?
hazy birch
The little spreadsheet you can view by inspecting it
weary idol
Speaking of armor- uhh what am I supposed to do as psyker against armor early on...
die?
I mean uh
depends on your melee weapon
dense moon
Usually the force great sword is what I run
And been bouncing between burn staff and heavy las pistol
zealous wing
FGS is your best option generally
hazy birch
Can go dueling sword if you want to be "that guy"
weary idol
FGS is not psyker's best anti armor option
zealous wing
its the best weapon though
weary idol
Deimos regular force sword, dueling sword, or knife are more specialized into it
FGS is okay at it
dense moon
Is it? Because I ran against a crusher once and uhh well. Let's just say. My head was not in good shape
zealous wing
deimos and FGS seem to always take about the same time to kill them
royal totem
Usually the force great sword is what I run
FGS is good against armor or well reasonably though
zealous wing
plus, FGS can deal with emergency horde, deimos cant
weary idol
Is it? Because I ran against a crusher once and uhh well. Let's just say. My hea...
stab attack on Mk8 can be accessed after the push attack
On Mk6 it is your second heavy attack
weary idol
plus, FGS can deal with emergency horde, deimos cant
It can the diagonals are just awkward to work with
royal totem
anybody want to play an actual game rather than just yapping here? damnation or less. i'm trying to wake up
zealous wing
perfectly aligned attacks are so shit when enemies are all different heights anyway
dense moon
Unfortunately I have work so yapping is all I can afford
royal totem
tragic
marble crater
anybody want to play an actual game rather than just yapping here? damnatio...
No 
I'm not falling for this again
royal totem
i actually managed to drag this carcass of a body out of bed this morning.
dense moon
i actually managed to drag this carcass of a body out of bed this morning.
Too bad, go back to bed
royal totem
it's only 8:05AM. 2 hours earlier than yesterday
hazy birch
I'm at work
marble crater
If you keep this up you will wake up at 10 again in 11 days
royal totem
10am is perfectly healthy time to wake up. according to Six
hazy birch
What's 1pm?
marble crater
It is, why wouldn't it be
hazy birch
Cuz that's when I'm likely waking up tomorrow
zealous wing
it really depends on your own schedule and rhythm
long as you sleep enough, but not too much, youre good
hazy birch
I get like 3-4 hours a day during the week
royal totem
i'd explain more about the horrors of my mind
zealous wing
@royal totem wanna do event farming with me
hazy birch
Make up for it on the weekend
royal totem
but i fear if i do nobody would ever talk to me again
royal totem
<@128975123859374080> wanna do event farming with me
can can. how close are you to done?
marble crater
Yeah I don't think you can make up for lost sleep
zealous wing
loading in to check
hazy birch
Yeah I don't think you can make up for lost sleep <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229061...
I do. Every weekend
royal totem
and is it starvation today or mutant clown cars?
zealous wing
correct, you cannot actually catch up on lost sleep
once the damage is done it can be helped, but it will never fully go away
royal totem
if only you could actually catch up on lost sleep lmao
marble crater
I do. Every weekend
I mean from a medical standpoint, the damage is just done, however minor it is
hazy birch
What 'damage'?
Worst I deal with is just being tired all week. Then I'm fine on the weekends
zealous wing
the brain actually gets damaged
hazy birch
Been at this for a few decades now
marble crater
Yeah that's definitely not healthy
hazy birch
IDK. I know people that get less than me even and are fine
zealous wing
@royal totem i need 3262 more 
royal totem
alright. well i'm on now
they are definitely not fine. but i'm not going to spend my time arguing
plucky flax
I could do some events.
I need like 2.2k
Get rat tail for the meme and never use it.
zealous wing
we're doing lower difficulties though
hazy birch
The guy I'm thinking about has more energy than anyone I know. Bro will go build a barn at the drop of a hat. IDK how he does it
plucky flax
Hrm do auric not drop more rations?
zealous wing
its less raw amount and more, we're tired as fuck and dont wanna be deadweight i think
rigid sky
IDK. I know people that get less than me even and are fine
See how they feel when they hit 60
hazy birch
See how they feel when they hit 60
He's 54
rigid sky
I used to stay awake for 36 hours at a time quite frequently
plucky flax
Okay is cool enjoy.
rigid sky
There's also the fact that you can escape the consequences with some luck and/or biological factors
Not every smoker gets cancer
zealous wing
IDK. I know people that get less than me even and are fine
i once went two weeks with little to no sleep, and i still suffer serious issues, including minor hallucinations, especially when i start getting tired. just because one person got lucky, or got just enough sleep to avoid such an issue, doesnt mean getting little sleep doesnt cause issues. its worth being aware of risks
royal totem
There's also the fact that you can escape the consequences with some luck and/or...
can't escape them forever.
rigid sky
It's all about risk accumulation
hazy birch
When I was a teenager I started a graveyard shift job. Was awake for a week straight cuz I had to work when I was supposed to sleep and be tired af fighting off sleep all shift but by 9am I was wired. Couldn't sleep
rigid sky
can't escape them forever.
True, but nobody lives forever, so it's not about forever
royal totem
i suppose if you die young enough sure you escape them forever lol
rigid sky
There's an accumulated risk that goes up each time you stay up too late
Some people will never hit the terrible consequences
Others will get early onset dementia
Life is a succession of risk accumulation across an array of hazards
royal totem
Life is a succession of risk accumulation across an array of hazards
What a truth bomb!
i'd claim that i was always full of energy and such but in truth i never was.
i used to nap in school cuz my body said "early afternoon. gotta nap"
rigid sky
Plenty of enthusiasm and energy for stuff that actually engaged your interest though i imagine?
Or maybe something that changed over time
royal totem
depends. if it was early afternoon i'd fall asleep anyways
quartz barn
i used to nap in school cuz my body said "early afternoon. gotta nap"
This happens when you dont get enough effective sleep at night
royal totem
but to be fair, school worked against my sleep schedule
quartz barn
Source: still have it myself
rigid sky
but to be fair, school worked against my sleep schedule
Relatable
royal totem
cuz i like sleeping 11-7 or 11-8 if possible
royal totem
i still take afternoon naps though. that hasn't changed but now there's no thing that forces me to wake up during them. oh and no damn kids turning my backpack inside out
ripe obsidian
graceful arch
When I was a teenager I started a graveyard shift job. Was awake for a week stra...
My job has different hours everyday.
It's a special kind of fucked
Most of the time it's ok but sometimes you have to work from 4 pm to 4 am and be back up at 9 am.
marble crater
Sounds illegal
long wharf
why would that be illegal?
marble crater
Because in some countries you must have a certain amount of hours between ending your shift and starting a new one, to make sure you get enough rest
ripe obsidian
Sounds like socialism. Not in 'Murica!
graceful arch
Even america I think my rest hours would be illegal
Anywhere with human rights would not allow shit like this in their labor laws.
Or anywhere that actually respects said human rights.
celest valve
so not the US then got it
weary crane
This is my ranking of survivability potential
- zealot
Arby
Ogryn
Psyker
Vet
That's only if there isnt groaner hordes blocking everywhere
graceful arch
This is my ranking of survivability potential
1) zealot
Arby
Ogryn
Psyker
Vet
I dunno i find psyker more survivable than Oggy at times, not in pure defensive capabilities but with so many tools to regenerate toughness and avoid damage altogether(empathic evasion) you feel like you can survive scenarios not even zealot can
Ofc if you stand still and let 3 pox walkers hit you at the same time.
weary crane
Yeah I agree, I was just going off tankiness and talents
icy breach
This is my ranking of survivability potential
1) zealot
Arby
Ogryn
Psyker
Vet
Imo psyker should be bottom considering everything in their arsenal & overall toughness they can stack
marble crater
There a different forms of survival, there are situations where a psyker will for sure die, but arby and ogryn just laugh, while there are situations where psyker will laugh instead, imo
weary crane
With the new damage resistance talents psyker doesn't drop immediately from one shooter volley and this helps a lot
icy breach
There a different forms of survival, there are situations where a psyker will fo...
Very True 
graceful arch
Yeah you get disabled in a fire nade or ontop of a flamer it's a auto down
weary crane
I was just thinking about who should be the last to go down
In my havoc pugs it's nearly always me who survives longest
Which doesn't seem right since I'm psyker
I've seen some stealth zealots and some really good ogryns rarely but that's it
icy breach
Which doesn't seem right since I'm psyker
Cause you’re a backliner
Unless you play melee then i’m not surprised your team fails
weary crane
Cause you’re a backliner
Unless you play melee then i’m not surprised your team ...
There is no backline in my games 😭 the ogryn arby and zealots don't do their jobs
I turn around to deal with specialist and next moment my teammates has dodged a crusher overhead into me from the front
icy breach
Classic
graceful arch
You will usually be last man on zealot aswell
graceful arch
Hell play with inexperienced players enough and you will always be last man standing
royal totem
if there's 1 thing i can count on its bugs in this game
zealous wing
lets both relaunch
graceful arch
How are gayms hexis
zealous wing
well was going fine and then one teammate refused to move to us, went down, and the other rando who WAS with us went afk
and, downed
zealous wing
they were also racist though so i wont be dealing with them again
zealous wing
yeah the ogryn was a mistake to go res for both of us
i should also not run surge surge with a knife
a taxe maybe, but not a knife
long wharf
whoa whoa whoa guys
graceful arch
i should also not run surge surge with a knife
I run it with fs
long wharf
you can't have reasonable self-reflection in WH40K
zealous wing
i want mobility
graceful arch
I mean force sword
long wharf
where's the vitriol? the projection?
graceful arch
I typed FGS by accident
zealous wing
obscurus is a bitch to use, and illisi honestly isnt great
graceful arch
you can't have reasonable self-reflection in WH40K
Man fuck these stinky nurgle boys they need to shower.
zealous wing
i'd rather use a taxe than obscurus
long wharf
Illisi is good for hordes
graceful arch
Deimos..
royal totem
they need a shower. in warpflames
hazy birch
At least that's been my experience
long wharf
there's no reason to run obscurus aside from flavor/personal preference
zealous wing
deimos is the fuckin opposite of what you want for surge surge
hazy birch
Surge surge?
long wharf
the Illisi is great for hordes
zealous wing
deimos is heavily single target, surge surge is also single target
long wharf
not great on mixed hordes
graceful arch
If you have other options for the bulk of horde clear
I use wildfire combustion shriek on my surge surge build
hazy birch
IDK wtf surge surge is
long wharf
FGS is great on hordes, mixed and otherwise
zealous wing
EK surge
graceful arch
Surge ek
long wharf
surge staff
hazy birch
Ah
long wharf
I'm guessing you go surge+smite?
marble crater
And this is the reason the staff is not called surge anymore, I am still sad
hazy birch
Yea I use deimos on my flamer build
zealous wing
I'm guessing you go surge+smite?
who?
graceful arch
I'm guessing you go surge+smite?
Assail or bb usually
marble crater
Hexis is a well known smyker, yes
graceful arch
Both are valid
long wharf
okay
zealous wing
fuck off
long wharf
fuck off
now this is what I expect at a WH40K gathering
body odor!
talentless cursing!
awkward facial hair!
truly what the Emperor intended.
hazy birch
Neckbeards
royal totem
ok i'm ready hexis
long wharf
everybody knows that Emps said, in private, "only neckbeards will get my seed"
graceful arch
everybody knows that Emps said, in private, "only neckbeards will get my seed"
Warhammer fans dressing up as nurgle marines and don't shower for 3 weeks and contract every disease to make the cosplay lore accurate.
long wharf
but they do it unironically
truly believing in Grampa Nurgle's message of "universal acceptance"
graceful arch
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lpJJYp0b098Cwv-jO?invite=c...
I feel like I'm on Adderall when I use the VB.
the calm way you aim it I could never.
pale prairie
Warhammer fans dressing up as nurgle marines and don't shower for 3 weeks and co...
Except the sexually transmitted ones
graceful arch
Except the sexually transmitted ones
They could probably find some of them in other ways.
pale prairie
marble crater
Krieger is alive
zealous wing
@royal totem looks like your chat broke again
royal totem
yes
zealous wing
3 tiers left to collect... this is a slog already and we've only done two missions lmao
zealous wing
if you wanna take a break now feel free, one more mission isnt gonna cross me to the next tier
idk why the event is suddenly just, boring. maybe its the randos
royal totem
ah then i will take a break
nah i think it's actually having to click pick up
and the angry ogryns modifier is basically just rot armor but tamer
zealous wing
no ingame number for how many youve grabbed also doesnt help the lootgoblin brain
royal totem
it really doesn't
i finished my grind but man it was a slog
though my friend looked at the mutie clown car and said "not doing this event"
oh. Hexis. tell me if you see any cool zealot drip. i'm trying to find something for zealot
zealous wing
i'll keep an eye out
pale prairie
Krieger is alive
graceful arch
i'll keep an eye out
I will prob be on in an hour and a half.
We can cheese it go to the end of a mission and just DC reconnect
ripe obsidian
3 tiers left to collect... this is a slog already and we've only done two missio...
I do not regret cheesing it.
graceful arch
They made it way too tedious
Like the other events I got done so quickly compared to this
It doesn't help that it has barely any spawns at times
zealous wing
to be fair this is a good idea for an event. . . executed poorly, but, a cool concept
graceful arch
Needing to use 1 or 2 to pick up is tedious asf
graceful arch
I will possibly do the same.
zealous wing
making it RMB tho might make it weird to block or soemthing
graceful arch
Do you just need to rebind equip secondary or equip primary
Or does it have a own action
graceful arch
Weird
zealous wing
2 is destroy (now E), 1 is recover
the bottom interact is default stuff like doors
i wonder if i put both 1 and 2 as E if itll crash me
zealous wing
3 tiers, so, we're close
royal totem
i did it without any cheese. and i'm not saying people should do it that way. i'm just saying it was a lot of suffering 🙁
graceful arch
Yeah the event seems slow as shite
royal totem
i'm not of the mentality "just cuz i suffered everybody else should suffer"
pale prairie
What’s the reward again?
royal totem
Hexis is determined to acquire all drip in the game though
royal totem
all the free stuff
royal totem
i'm having trouble getting the motivation to finish all the vet penances
graceful arch
When can we get a rat portrait frame.
zealous wing
only thing im missing off psyker is the black havoc helm
graceful arch
Just make it cover your entire portrait why not
I also need to lose a havoc attempt to not demote
royal totem
I also need to lose a havoc attempt to not demote
lose an attempt? 😮
zealous wing
any attempt or an attempt on yours
zealous wing
queue for party finder
afk
win?!?!?!?
graceful arch
My assignment is a 33
hazy birch
Never giving up smite on this support build
graceful arch
Never giving up smite on this support build
Ew smite
royal totem
my assignment is 23
hazy birch
Mb1 on flamer may stun small shit but it's not doing anything against the packs of crushers and mutants
Goddam angry ogryns
graceful arch
I have been climbing but I don't have that much time cause of werk
hazy birch
Assignment?
royal totem
yeah the game gives us homework Gunslinger
zealous wing
you cover the armour in SB stacks then use a force sword with uncanny and blockpush them to make the fire stacks do some serious damage
graceful arch
Assignment?
It's havoc
royal totem
i've somewhat recovered from all the deranking yesterday
that was like 12 losses in a row
hazy birch
yeah the game gives us homework Gunslinger
Foul
zealous wing
it was indeed, rough
royal totem
hazy birch
One game right?
graceful arch
The harder the homework you do the better the rewards
zealous wing
a reward cache of nothing you'll actually need by that point, i might add
royal totem
yes jsut one game
royal totem
a reward cache of nothing you'll actually need by that point, i might add <:lore...
lies. i do actually need my reward cache
graceful arch
But you can make as many attempts as you want
prime elk
tbf the rewards are pretty great
royal totem
lemme check what my mission is
prime elk
at h40
graceful arch
But you will demote on 3 fails
prime elk
esp if you're building out other characters
graceful arch
Even havoc 30 gives decent ish rewards
royal totem
clearly i need a carry of h40 just for rewards
i'm joking
but at my rank i get like 6k diamantium i think?
zealous wing
for someone to carry you through h40, it'd probably be similar to how i was carried, being the only semi-deadweight bubblebot
bonus points if im not dead
royal totem
i have cranial corruption with rot armor
graceful arch
royal totem
with vent purge (but not sniper gauntlet)
graceful arch
Healing rot armour is easier than stimms rot armour atleast for shriek flame psyker
zealous wing
i think im just too distracted with IRL events to do even the h25 well, i fumbled so badly so many times
royal totem
i'm not a psyker
graceful arch
Lol
royal totem
i don't ever play psyker
zealous wing
it also cant be interrupted with a force weapon push
zealous wing
blue ragers are scarier
graceful arch
blue ragers are scarier
True but you are still completely halted if you have a wall of blue crushers
zealous wing
yup, but, at least the crushers are slow
if theres a blob and you see two or three blue ragers coming for you, its more terrifying than 3 blue crushers slowly hobbling towards you as you kite them
however, they're never alone, so, it all sucks
languid pine
I feel like I'm on Adderall when I use the VB.
the calm way you aim it I could ...
being tired does that to you
I just finished a 2 hour modded vt2 session and we also just wiped to gunner bullshit last run so I was really out of it
verbal thistle
They do
Was I wrong in saying they are a never take?
“if you deal 100 damage and 110 on crit, 10% crit damage makes you deal 111 damage on crit”
applies to both weakspot damage and crit damage
Would this example not work?
I personally don't think so
Psyker already has ways to cheese revive
buoyant maple
Was I wrong in saying they are a never take?
They’re not usually taken but they do math correctly according to the game
verbal thistle
Kinetic reflection, stamina stacking, bubble, trauma
buoyant maple
Being calculated wrong isn’t the same thing as being calculated non-intuitively
verbal thistle
Okay, I will correct my wording and say that it's calculated non-intuitively
earnest quarry
Asking for a friend, do projectiles such have the potential to infinitely cleave? Such as surge void strike or plasma on weakpoint crits. I always thought enemy hit mass and armor eventually stops high cleave projectiles
verbal thistle
The 2 in question just have high cleave
earnest quarry
so can a projectile reach infinate cleave?
summer prairie
voidstrike has low cleave, but anyway
verbal thistle
Non exploding projectiles don't have infinite cleave
earnest quarry
thank you for backing me up here lol
verbal thistle
Iirc a light attack on plasma can go through 4 maulers?
I forgot I don't use that weapon
marble crater
Doesn't the event mess with cleave? Maybe that's relevant for the argument with your friend
summer prairie
it's kind of outrageous poxwalkers have a higher hitmass in h40 than e.g. scab bruisers
verbal thistle
Minor bit of trolling
summer prairie
doesn't make much sense to increase their hitmass that much, if at all
earnest quarry
Non exploding projectiles don't have infinite cleave
hes still confused... now is asking is it the projectile or the explosion thats infinate cleave. im trying to explain how projectiles like nade gauntlet or rumbler have an initial impact and strike and then an explosion.
solid pond
Non exploding projectiles don't have infinite cleave
does purga just count as a permanent explosion
handsplosion
hazy birch
Is there ANY way to decrease the charge time of brain burst?
Seriously it's the one thing that makes that skill feel like complete dog shit to use
zealous wing
kinetic resonance, celerity stims, empowered psionics
verbal thistle
does purga just count as a permanent explosion
I wouldn't count flamer type weapons as projectiles
hazy birch
Kinetic resonance don't really count
solid pond
Kinetic resonance don't really count
huh?
hazy birch
Unless I can somehow make my combat ability literally spammable
zealous wing
2x shield walls
solid pond
aren't you the same guy that was running no CDR?
zealous wing
do you have psykinetics aura?
verbal thistle
Try walls out
zealous wing
cooldown reduction
hazy birch
do you have psykinetics aura?
Yes
zealous wing
if you really try you can make BB go brrr
hazy birch
But I don't think any amount of CDR going to allow me to sit there and spam abilities enough to keep kinetic resonance up at all times
zealous wing
but have you TRIED
hazy birch
if you really try you can make BB go brrr
What's it like without the stim
Stims are nice. But you can't plan your gameplay around them
zealous wing
i think this is the clip with no celerity? sending before checking because lazy
verbal thistle
I dont think its a good idea to have 100% uptime on kinetic resonance
zealous wing
this is also pre-update
verbal thistle
BB works only on like 50% of enemies and you are not always going to be using brain burst in downtime
royal totem
if you really try you can make BB go brrr
why does music in this video sound like it's from anime
zealous wing
oh yeah thats me spamming SG too
zealous wing
why does music in this video sound like it's from anime
because its a violin cover of an anime song
royal totem
ah ok fair enough
verbal thistle
dull scroll
what mods are you running?
lots, unless there are specific ones you are curious about
marble crater
because its a violin cover of an anime song
Fairy Tail, smh
zealous wing
ye
weary crane
Do garden enemies give damage resistance to nearby ones?
zealous wing
What's it like without the stim
if you really want to play with BB as a key part of your active arsenal rather than just passive, empowered psionics might be for you for a faster charge time, but for it to be most useful you'd need the x3 stack node too, and make sure to take the guarenteed stack on elite kill rather than the +5% chance to gain a stack
but, EP is by far not ideal
the other two keystones are generally more useful
however, if youre auric or below, anything technically works
weary crane
But when I BB I can't one shot gunners if they are near healing troops, when they are away I can 1 shot
verbal thistle
in my experience its usually dots or teammate damage that can lower a bit of their hp to get a BB 1 tap
since purple has insane healing rates
it would be full hp when the BB went off
weary crane
I run EP BB, on h40 I can 1 shot scab gunners at like 50%+ peril
It seems to fail when they are near healers
Because it never fails when healing modifier isnt in the game unless I have no DMG buffs
zealous wing
oh jeeeeeez its THAT severe!?
weary crane
If I target the healer itself then it one shots the healer gunner
Maybe BB EP doesn't apply all at once
solid pond
easy to test
graceful arch
hexis you on?
zealous wing
i am not at the moment, but can be soon, debating on what quick food to grab
weary crane
Tbh I'm surprised because BB was buffed last update with the DMG multiplier
graceful arch
idk if you can categorise inedible stuff as food
marble crater
i am not at the moment, but can be soon, debating on what quick food to grab
Pizza
graceful arch
aight
weary crane
scab gunners and friends were also buffed
I remember when they couldn't walk while shooting 
zealous wing
might just make a sandwich or two
marble crater
15 minutes for food is quick, no?
weary crane
For girls yeah
solid pond
yes
royal totem
Damn. it took me 5 mins to scrounge food today. guess that's probs too long
plucky flax
15 minutes for food is quick, no?
That's normal eating time. Could be faster.
hazy birch
if you really want to play with BB as a key part of your active arsenal rather t...
Don't want it to be super integral to my gameplay but I want to be able to use it without taking 3 business days to charge when I do need it for a sniper or something
zealous wing
i havent had any issues with its charge time and snipers tbh
graceful arch
haxis done eating?
graceful arch
i am typing this on my samsung smart fridge
hazy birch
i havent had any issues with its charge time and snipers tbh
It works fine. I just wish it was quicker.
Not everything has to be unusable to warrant improvement lol
Qol
solid pond
quartz barn
alright wtf man
apparently fire barrels can alert daemonhosts
worse is that my rez is after the midway event while the team hasnt even started it
austere warren
I'm still trying to confirm if flashlights do the same thing
Someone said that during a match where someone else triggered it but it jumped to me.
strong gulch
Who gets the DH's aggro is not always straight forward.
Certain actions and proximity have more priority. Your DoT can be ticking away on a DH and someone else triggers it but you get the aggro.
verbal thistle
I'm still trying to confirm if flashlights do the same thing
(2) Flashlight Exposure
While the Daemonhost is in any of its stages, pointing a weapon flashlight directly at it from within 22m builds up 20 immediate anger and an additional 5 anger per second. The angle in which the Daemonhost has to be is 20° in front of the player. Only the flashlight of the closest player is considered, the Daemonhost will rotate towards the closest flashing player.
so yes and no
yes flashlights can trigger
but its only within a certain range and from 1 source
from kuli's guide
static sonnet
Don't want it to be super integral to my gameplay but I want to be able to use i...
I actually have been playing with KR on some of my shriek builds and its actually so good, and has high uptime if youre playing right. I almost always have it running while in combat, so its fast and easy to whip it out and pop something real quick, not to mention a hefty burst of boss damage from range. Think I took it into a monstrous specials once and had almost 200k boss damage from it alone.
austere warren
but its only within a certain range and from 1 source
Mm that explains that bcuz i was so confused when that happened.
static sonnet
Cost one point and you keep your keystone on Warp Siphon, and charges faster than EP alone
austere warren
First time after playing this game on and off for years
graceful arch
@zealous wing same braincell
hazy birch
apparently fire barrels can alert daemonhosts
I mean, yea
If something you or someone on your team does affects it, it gets pissed. The flashlight from your gun is enough. Literally
weary crane
Don't wake the demonhead!
hazy birch
I actually have been playing with KR on some of my shriek builds and its actuall...
Yes it just seems like something id want to be consciously thinking about. I dont manually use burst very often. Part of why I don't use it as often is because of how long it takes to use but I digress. I'm fine with mostly abusing it's passive damage and pulling it out in emergencies to get rid of snipers or gunners. Would just be nice to have more speed.
hazy birch
Don't wake the demonhead!
Or be anywhere near it when someone else pisses it off
weary crane
I actually want DH rituals back, apart from the bugged ones they aren't a bad modifier
hazy birch
My current test build is using flamer with brain burst passive and this thing cooks. Even boss damage is strong af
Rituals?
Like timed events that spawn a dh if u don't stop them?
That sounds like nightmare fuel
weary crane
Yeah it was a havoc modifer
zealous wing
it wasnt terrible tbh
i know of one map off the top of my head where they can be triggered when youre in an elevator but cant get to it in time at ALL, unless you stand in a very specific corner of the elevator so it doesnt trigger. one of the hourglass ones
compared to rotten armour it was a cake walk
especially if you had an ogryn with an emergency nuke
weary crane
You could lure them to edges and use book too
zealous wing
still can
hazy birch
Book?
zealous wing
chorus
hazy birch
Oh
zealous wing
the zealot totem ability
hazy birch
Wait you can knock a dh off a cliff??
zealous wing
it staggers monstrosities, and, yes, DH have falling physics
hazy birch
They float tho lol
swift stag
shhh
hazy birch
Id have never thought that possible
zealous wing
though if you can get to one, a door also works, if you can get it set proper
hazy birch
austere warren
Yeh. As long as it can't try that teleport again during the recovery frames from being staggered it falling into a death pit dead zone kills it
austere warren
Less of an exploit and more just the rules of the game.
zealous wing
knocking things off cliffs doesnt seem like an exploit, but, with DH, yeah its a little wonky xD but, its how the game works, rather than a bug i think
austere warren
Dh is floating but not "flying" necessarily
It still has to be "on the ground" in this case
hazy birch
Well you have to use a specific ability to keep it stunned through the process long enough to keep it from teleporting and it's still not reliable. Id call that an exploit.
austere warren
And all death pits have a point of no return
hazy birch
Not really "intended" gameplay
zealous wing
a specific ability that staggers monsters, makes sense if she's staggered she'd be on the ground tbh
austere warren
And exploit here would be manipulating direct jank on a reliable interaction
zealous wing
the door instakill/despawn? definitely an exploit
using an ability as intended to push a monster off a cliff? situational awareness
hazy birch
Can't say I've seen one staggered. Does it ground it's animation when staggered?
zealous wing
no but its also fatshark
austere warren
No but it lurches back
Like if you've ever seen ogryn stagger shenanigans
It reacts to being staggered with its own animation but isn't exactly knocked over
hazy birch
And exploit here would be manipulating direct jank on a reliable interaction
I mean if it normally couldn't teleport after falling, but is only able to be stunlocked during the fall because of the specific ability of one class in the game that hits in a massive aoe..
weary crane
Wait you can knock a dh off a cliff??
I've seen someone do it with krak nades, I've done actually done it to a scab captain with a crusher hit to the head
hazy birch
While it was falling?
zealous wing
it normally teleports if the player is past a specific distance away from it, it doesnt check if there's ground below it when it does the check
austere warren
I mean if it normally couldn't teleport after falling, but is only able to be st...
That's more so just a consequence of how games are made. You're leveraging fundamental principles for recovery frames from something being hit and a death pit point of no return to finish the job. If the pit isn't deep enough, the dh can recover in time to teleporr back but that's extremely rare.
hazy birch
IDK. I'm calling it jank. Yall can call it what you want lol it's all just so niche and situational.
austere warren
It's just not jank though is my point
zealous wing
thats the thing, niche and situational doesnt mean exploit
hazy birch
Like shoving a pox burster to kill it without harming you. That's intended gameplay and reliable.
austere warren
It's goofy but not breaking game rules.
hazy birch
Breaking the rules would be a glitch
austere warren
If anything it's literally just playing with basic interactions
zealous wing
Breaking the rules would be a glitch
what rule is breaking?
hazy birch
Exploits are things that probably shouldn't exist but do cuz the devs didn't think to develop around it properly
austere warren
Startup, active and recovery frames are happening at all times. Hitstun, stagger snd fall over animations are just that as well
Like I'm talking about precisely just how animations work here. That's the core of the situation being leveraged in this example.
hazy birch
I dont think the devs intended for people to be able to knock it off ledges. Why it has a teleport to prevent it from being manipulated in that way. But you can technically bypass that with some manipulation and specific abilities
austere warren
I dont think the devs intended for people to be able to knock it off ledges. Why...
And oversight isn't exactly the same thing as breaking how a games natural rules work.
hazy birch
Or close distance in any situation it otherwise can't just hold W on you
austere warren
This would be different if we were exploiting some behavioral interaction.
hazy birch
And oversight isn't exactly the same thing as breaking how a games natural rules...
Yea. It's definitely not a glitch.
austere warren
But instead here were just playing with elevation, dead zones and basic recovery like I said.
It's closer to cheese than an exploit
austere warren
Yeah there's plenty of goofy shit somewhere I'm sure.
zealous wing
the door again comes to mind
austere warren
Barring all the other weird bugs in the game that uh
Just kind of let people do shit that wasn't at all how something was supposed to work lmao
zealous wing
angle the monster or captain right, close it right, and the monster or captain will just, despawn
zealous wing
theres a clip posted here somewhere, let me see if i can hunt it down
austere warren
That's some l4d2 levels of goofy shit
hazy birch
angle the monster or captain right, close it right, and the monster or captain w...
That's a glitch
Completely breaking the interaction cuz the games just fucked up
hazy birch
Probably a failsafe to prevent it from getting hung up somewhere and preventing progress
But who knows
zealous wing
theres also a deadzone on at least one map thats normal level, easy to walk into, even has a chest, but nothing will aggro on you if you stand in that area
austere warren
That's really funny
zealous wing
except i think snipers
hazy birch
theres also a deadzone on at least one map thats normal level, easy to walk into...
Another exploit
zealous wing
yup
hazy birch
There should be nowhere safe for you
zealous wing
correct, its a bugged area
im not certain yet why it does what it does, my guess is it wasnt mapped properly for their pathing
hazy birch
IDK about bugged. Probably just not coded properly as part of the map
zealous wing
perhaps they forgot a marker
well, bugged and not coded properly are the same thing in essence
this is another bug, not exploit, though we did take advantage of the situation
hazy birch
Imo if they simply didn't code something properly that's just oversight on their part. But if it's coded properly and still not functioning, that's bad. Like how sometimes elevator buttons just won't activate despite everyone being there