I suppose with full build and proper perks?
#psyker-class
hazy birch
jovial juniper
The core blessing is surgical
obtuse dome
I suppose with full build and proper perks?
Does make a big difference yeah
hazy birch
Yea I get that but other guns feel strong despite being low level. Like combat shotgun or braced auto rifle
sturdy reef
Its extremely ammo efficient
jovial juniper
Also Mk4 is THE HARDEST HITTING RANGED WEAPON in the game
obtuse dome
Good vet guns are recon las bolters plasma and the autoguns
quartz garnet
Good vet guns are recon las bolters plasma and the autoguns
Bolters feel amazing
sturdy reef
Mk IV helbore can slap around carapace and unyielding easily
hazy birch
Yea I want to try the plasma
quartz garnet
Mk IV helbore can slap around carapace and unyielding easily
Perks?
obtuse dome
Bolters feel amazing
Yeah speahead with exe stance is BUSTED
hazy birch
Only real reason I'm making the class tbh
hazy birch
Mk IV helbore can slap around carapace and unyielding easily
This is intriguing
sturdy reef
Surgical and the charge rate one
obtuse dome
Level the heavy boltgun and the power sword
quartz garnet
Yeah speahead with exe stance is BUSTED
Saw a video with infinite ammo on the trials with spearhead
sturdy reef
It actually benefits from MMF unlike plasma as well
quartz garnet
Insane
obtuse dome
Saw a video with infinite ammo on the trials with spearhead
I dont play a lot of mortis
hazy birch
Level the heavy boltgun and the power sword
Power sword going to be on the roster but I already rock bolter on arbites
sturdy reef
Has enough cleave to get thru to specials in a horde
quartz garnet
I dont play a lot of mortis
Played once. Camp simulator
obtuse dome
Power sword going to be on the roster but I already rock bolter on arbites
Bolter on vet is 10x better
hazy birch
I want all my classes to be distinct in some way
obtuse dome
Exe stance gives u very good stability
And u can just chain headshot after headshot easiyl
hazy birch
Hmm
quartz garnet
Exe stance gives u very good stability
Seconding that
Feels awesome everything just dies so fast even underleveled
obtuse dome
And its almost infinite as long as i get a kill in 8 secs to refresh
hazy birch
Yea I mean cuz bolter lol
quartz garnet
And smoke gives you free reign to do whatever you want
hazy birch
I usually run bolt pistol on my zealot and spearhead on my arbites
obtuse dome
I would take kraks so u dont have to waste ur bolter on carapace
hazy birch
And smoke gives you free reign to do whatever you want
Planning to run krak
deft stump
Saw a video with infinite ammo on the trials with spearhead
That's mortis though. You have free shots for crits and inf ammo in stance indulgences. Bolter is starved in higher diffs normally.
quartz garnet
Krak is awesome for ogryns
hazy birch
So the next time 40 crushers bum rush me in an elevator I can just laugh it off
obtuse dome
That's mortis though. You have free shots for crits and inf ammo in stance indul...
Its ok imo if you dont magdump
quartz garnet
So the next time 40 crushers bum rush me in an elevator I can just laugh it off
Exactly. The other option is to stealth through them to revive/get past them to a better position
obtuse dome
Also u get very good nade regen
quartz garnet
60 sec as well as an additional charge
obtuse dome
One every minute and a chance to get one on special kill
obtuse dome
Stealthbis the hardest ability to use on vet
hazy birch
But yea idk how far I'll take it but I gave up on him pretty early last time and want to try to give the class a fair shake before completely writing it off
hazy birch
Stealthbis the hardest ability to use on vet
Why go stealth when you can just brrrrt
hazy birch
Run DBS WS
This is German
sturdy reef
Lmao
obtuse dome
Nein man
hazy birch
Ew
obtuse dome
Can be pretty broken
sturdy reef
Melee vet is good lol
hazy birch
Double barrel too slow
sturdy reef
Wut
obtuse dome
Double barrel too slow
It is hard to use
hazy birch
U dont have to reload
Wait what
hazy birch
sturdy reef
Bro doesnt want to read
hazy birch
I'm gonna rename that character "shooty mcbangbang" so nobody dares to suggest that much melee to me again
But seriously if I'm gonna attempt this class it's going to be extremely gun focused
Melee gonna be a real SHTF situation
vivid loom
You can get one bullet back in chamber with one melee kill and swap
DB insanely fun bc of it on vet
And then yeah general use 3 stack for 100% crit
Wait I’m in psyker chat wtf
quartz barn
On overwatch gameplay aside, this is still a step above vet chat
sick wing
Alright I unlocked the flame staff what’s the play now
jovial juniper
Blaze Away
sturdy reef
Press rmb
quartz barn
Trying to post a gif as a grey name is not the play
hazy birch
IDK maybe it's an option to explore. But I've heard vet has a lot of ammo efficiency built into his kit so running gun primary is actually viable. Such is my understanding anyways
vivid loom
I thought you guys just twinkle fingers everything and blow yourselves up
sick wing
I’ve only blown myself up once
vivid loom
And then I run into John psyker himself and he’s the most insane player
hazy birch
Idk why we are talking bout vet here neither
Cuz I'm not a vet main, don't plan to be, and don't want to get too deep into it as would happen in the actual channel
quartz barn
Cant be me because im washed now 
royal totem
Vets still can run out of ammo. They just run out of it less than others
dusk wren
IDK maybe it's an option to explore. But I've heard vet has a lot of ammo effici...
no
maybe 2 years ago that was the case
hazy birch
psyker seems like the most fun class by far
I'm an arbites main but I've always enjoyed psyker. Different PlayStyle for sure
hazy birch
maybe 2 years ago that was the case
Bro you're not doing a great job of selling me this grind
ripe obsidian
psyker seems like the most fun class by far
Psyker is not just the most fun, but also the most broken. Psyker is stronger than any other class by a wide margin right now.
dusk wren
i am not trying to sell you the grind
ripe obsidian
It's not great for game health.
sick wing
Psyker is not just the most fun, but also the most broken. Psyker is stronger th...
I’ve seen you in veteran chat bud stop trying to get us nerfed
ripe obsidian
We'll see if the December update does any rebalancing
ripe obsidian
I’ve seen you in veteran chat bud stop trying to get us nerfed
???
I don't go to veteran chat
dusk wren
they will nerf voice of command
royal totem
Psyker needs buff
ripe obsidian
I am literally the guy who wrote the guide on Psyker builds.
hazy birch
Psyker needs buff
Yes. I want to one shot twins with brain burst
sick wing
I'm an arbites main but I've always enjoyed psyker. Different PlayStyle for sure
From what I’ve seen the blitzes for other classes are just different grenades
young cliff
they will nerf voice of command
They did, but what about second Nerf?
sick wing
Kinda lame
hazy birch
From what I’ve seen the blitzes for other classes are just different grenades
Pretty much. Arbites has one that turns his dog into an emp
young cliff
Dogxplosion
dusk wren
i hope they finally buff brainburst's speed
hazy birch
But yea psyker the only one with actually interesting blitz abilities
hazy birch
i hope they finally buff brainburst's speed
One of several reasons I don't use it. Takes too fuckin long
ripe obsidian
Oh my lord, it's 14°C today. It's a miracle.
young cliff
One of several reasons I don't use it. Takes too fuckin long
Unless you use it's dedicated build and then it destroys crushers and whatnot
young cliff
Oh my lord, it's 14°C today. It's a miracle.
That sounds cold as heck
royal totem
Oh my lord, it's 14°C today. It's a miracle.
Too hot? Or too coldm
hazy birch
Unless you use it's dedicated build and then it destroys crushers and whatnot
Yea I've got zero interest in playing a game around brain burst
ripe obsidian
Too hot? Or too coldm
It's beautifully chilly
young cliff
Funny, was my fav Havoc build when I was using lots of psyker
quartz garnet
Yea I've got zero interest in playing a game around brain burst
Scrier assail with electric staff for armor. Feels amazing
ripe obsidian
Proper autumn weather
ripe obsidian
That sounds cold as heck
58°F. It has been, like, mid-80s until this week.
quartz garnet
Scrier just lets you unhinge while giving you a dmg buff
hazy birch
My build I'm practically flying around throwing knives, incinerating faces with a recon and mowing the grass with a claymore while at 100% peril about 95% of combat time.
ripe obsidian
Scrier's Gaze is an absurd ability.
royal totem
Sounds like nice weather
quartz garnet
My build I'm practically flying around throwing knives, incinerating faces with ...
Yh scrier assail
hazy birch
This build is so fun it's crazy
quartz garnet
Flame staff is hard with it. Electric is better for armored
young cliff
58°F. It has been, like, mid-80s until this week.
Here with 16°C I'm dying of cold at night, but I'm near the ocean so maybe that's also a factor
quartz garnet
Otherwise armored enemies become a problem
tulip kettle
i gotta say vet is actually extremely strong rn too, the margin between psyker and vet has narrowed somewhat since the latest round of balancing
hazy birch
Nah what this recon does to bosses and pretty much anything not carapace, I'll never run a staff on it
My only issue is armor
quartz garnet
i gotta say vet is actually extremely strong rn too, the margin between psyker a...
Hardest class is strongest. I see 0 issue with that
tulip kettle
but yes, scriers gaze is overtuned.
royal totem
@ripe obsidian can you gimme obscurus comboes?
young cliff
My only issue is armor
We have Krak nades for that
tulip kettle
the issue is they keep buffing scriers because it has low pick rates in havoc
hazy birch
It's perfect
hazy birch
but yes, scriers gaze is overtuned.
hazy birch
We have Krak nades for that
Vets do, yes.
quartz garnet
the issue is they keep buffing scriers because it has low pick rates in havoc
Because of bubble
ripe obsidian
<@230796342165897226> can you gimme obscurus comboes?
tulip kettle
but they dont understand that no matter how much they buff scriers, until it gives you defense against overtuned ranged enemies it wont ever match the other 2 skills for pick rate
ripe obsidian
Should be this
royal totem
Ty ty
tulip kettle
the real issue is they need to nerf ranged enemies in havoc and then down tune scriers
ripe obsidian
But don't you enjoy a single basic shooter instakilling you?
young cliff
but they dont understand that no matter how much they buff scriers, until it giv...
ObeseFish: now scriers gaze has build in Emphatic evasion for it's duration and lingering time
hazy birch
All this talk about nerfing scriers is sounding like heresy. Ijs
quartz garnet
the real issue is they need to nerf ranged enemies in havoc and then down tune s...
So bubble-barrier will be mid scrier will be mid and only shriek is good. So basically as far as i see it you want only shriek to be viable
tulip kettle
what im saying is scriers has been buffed to the extent there is no reason to pick anything else outside of havoc really
young cliff
But don't you enjoy a single basic shooter instakilling you?
Stims modifier was a mistake
quartz garnet
Am i correct in my assessment?
tulip kettle
and in havoc you will never pick it because of the ranged enemies
tulip kettle
Am i correct in my assessment?
no
hazy birch
what im saying is scriers has been buffed to the extent there is no reason to pi...
Buff vent
dusk wren
shriek still better for vent
hazy birch
Cuz it's really just a safety tool for people that don't want to run the crack ability
tulip kettle
but scriers is just better for 99% of builds outside of havoc
dusk wren
which is why scrier should be buffer another time to also spread fire
young cliff
Vent now instakill enemies in the center of your screen, like Moses cutting the sea and some sheep
tulip kettle
and in havoc, it doesnt give you any defense against the ranged stalkers being overtuned
ripe obsidian
Dom, I have decided to drop all 3 smol toughness nodes in favor of revive speed. I lose 12 toughness, taking me from 120 to 108, but I think that revive speed is more likely to save a game than 10% more toughness.
tulip kettle
i dont disagree with it
dusk wren
i wonder what the next scrier buff is going to be
hazy birch
Yea once you get used to how scriers works and how to abuse it, why use vent? I suppose if you are specifically a soul blaze build and want to use it's synergy?
quartz garnet
shriek still better for vent
Scrier give you the option to spam buffed warp attacks for free
young cliff
i wonder what the next scrier buff is going to be
My bet is for Build in EE
quartz garnet
Yea once you get used to how scriers works and how to abuse it, why use vent? I ...
Cc
hazy birch
Yea but the best cc is death
ripe obsidian
i wonder what the next scrier buff is going to be
All crit-based buffs now double in duration and you apply soulblaze on hit
hazy birch
Just juice yourself to the limit and kill everything
tulip kettle
My bet is for Build in EE
but for real thats all there is to it. between yellow stimms and cranial, having unsupressable basic shooters that shoot 40 round bursts just means you need a tool to deal with them
tulip kettle
so SG just wont match the pick rates of the other 2 abilities in havoc
they nerf that, they can rebalance everything else
but FS dont play their own game
outside of malice
ripe obsidian
My true fear is that Fatshark will remove or significantly nerf EE. Which would be sad.
young cliff
but for real thats all there is to it. between yellow stimms and cranial, having...
Sure, but I feel damage negation Vs ranged attacks being like 50% instead of 100% would be much more fair than the madness that is EE
tulip kettle
and this is also incorrect
you have said this before
if you make EE damage negation
you need to stack it with all the other damage negation
or else it just does nothing in the situations where you need it to
young cliff
Damage reductions you mean?
young cliff
Because I mean that it would make so you only take 50% of the ranged damage and from that you apply any damage reduction you have
tulip kettle
yes i am aware of what you mean
and im saying, unless you stack it with other DR it doesnt do anything
hazy birch
in all my years ive never seen a game, ever, that had multiple build options to choose from, where everything was unanimously considered to be "balanced". and the ones that came close, balanced the soul right out of the game and everything was boring.
tulip kettle
going from dying in 0.3 to 0.6 seconds is not a meaningful increase
young cliff
But what would be the adequate time then? Because o feel that not dying at all isn't that healthy either
tulip kettle
it isnt not dying at all
ripe obsidian
I do feel the big mistake of this recent rework was giving Psyker so much damage resist and toughness regen, and making it so accessible. The glass cannon class is now Vet instead of Psyker, but Psyker does no less damage than before. More, even.
young cliff
We used to ble GLASScannons, now we just cannons
tulip kettle
EE relies on procs. Unless you have a weapon like recon las that can reliabily crit at least once per second, you will miss a proc and die
ripe obsidian
If JaD were moved to just below DD, it might be better. Not sure on the toughness regen bit.
tulip kettle
i think JaD is currently broken
ripe obsidian
Or just above, whatever
tulip kettle
ainz demonstrated this the other day with the overhead clips
ripe obsidian
Yeah. It's too good to be so accessible
tulip kettle
it says damage reduced is converted to peril, but thats not strictly true
young cliff
JaD let you survive overheads from crushers?!
tulip kettle
if you stack every single bit of DR in the tree
ripe obsidian
Damage is converted to peril up to 97%, no?
tulip kettle
and are at 96% peril
yeah thats not quite accurate
if you gain even 0.01% peril
you get the full 25% DR
for all of the damage
summer prairie
that's not broken, it's intended
well, I can't know for sure
but based on the code
young cliff
Still quite strong
tulip kettle
yeah maybe its intended but its a broken intraction and not how its worded
ripe obsidian
yeah thats not quite accurate
I mean, if you are under 97% peril you resist damage.
tulip kettle
so as i was saying, if you are on 96% peril, you gain 25 additive DR against the full damage of the attack
where you should just resist 4% damage
summer prairie
it only stops working once you hit critical peril, you take the damage flat instead of in steps
young cliff
Idk, that sounds like a coding nightmare to adjust
tulip kettle
yes i know thats what im saying
it just means that, JaD is far too strong when already at high peril
young cliff
Should only trigger under 50% peril?
tulip kettle
if you are at 25% peril, and take 100 dmg
you gain 25% peril and take 75 damage
if you are at 96% peril
you gain 1% peril and take 75 damage
thats not how it should work
summer prairie
well how much peril you gain at that point is kind of moot
tulip kettle
you should gain 1% peril and take 96 damage
hazy birch
thats not how it should work
Except psykers want to be higher peril. I don't think stopping its growth is a positive for them
tulip kettle
?
patent mango
i think they can lower warp expenditure a little to like 12.5% and EE could be high ranged dr instead of immunity
then probably nerf some of the inf cleave stuff
tulip kettle
i think you dont understand what i just said.
summer prairie
if would be trash if it worked as you propose
ripe obsidian
Except psykers want to be higher peril. I don't think stopping its growth is a p...
Ehhhhhhhh, I stopped using JaD because the peril gain was inconvenient
tulip kettle
if would be trash if it worked as you propose
it would function how the talent describes
hazy birch
I get what you're saying but the only way that would actually be detrimental to them is is if the growth bypassed the safety net and instantly killed them
tulip kettle
and would mean that your peril is a resource to be managed
patent mango
it would function how the talent describes
you know fatshark cant do that smh
summer prairie
I think how it currently works is closer to the description
young cliff
you know fatshark cant do that smh
If they try that we would be crashing 24/7
ObeseFish can't fix stuff without breaking the game in the process
ripe obsidian
i think they can lower warp expenditure a little to like 12.5% and EE could be h...
I don't know how they would nerf Inferno's cleave without killing the staff. Due to the scaling required to reach reasonable damage, I think any nerf to cleave would just make it useless. Better nerf would be cutting Blaze Away in half and making Uncanny not work on non-melee damage
hazy birch
I know before last night I thought critical peril was when it went red
tulip kettle
yeah inferno is fine
hazy birch
I didn't know 97 was the break point
tulip kettle
its the uncanny interaction that makes it broken
and zealots can do the same thing with stronger DoTs
they just, dont
tulip kettle
yes but they can also stack bleed at the same time
16 stacks of fire + bleed with uncanny is obscene
young cliff
I don't know how they would nerf Inferno's cleave without killing the staff. Due...
Make the flame puffs vanish after hitting enough enemies or an ogryn? Feelt that could be a start while still helping spread fire stacks for PC and Wildfire helping spread
summer prairie
yeah like 1s of burn
tulip kettle
but, i dont disagree with increasing the linger time of burn and bleed DoTs
and also buffing flamer ammo to be more efficient
young cliff
Also yeah, uncanny strike needs a stop
ripe obsidian
Make the flame puffs vanish after hitting enough enemies or an ogryn? Feelt that...
That would kill Inferno in Havoc for sure. Again, it's so reliant on scaling that if you can only hit like 5 enemies out of the 50 in front of you, why would you ever use it?
tulip kettle
again inferno doesnt need any nerfs
its literally fine
its just the uncanny interaction and burn and bleed being worse DoT's than soulblaze
buff burn and bleed linger
ripe obsidian
Uncanny needs a nerf and Blaze Away might need a nerf.
tulip kettle
dont nerf soulblaze
blaze away is honestly fine
its not meaningful into the part where soublaze is broken - into carapace
hazy birch
Bleed already seems pretty strong. Hits hard. Just have to keep applying it
ripe obsidian
Burn and bleed last a shorter time and do higher damage than soulblaze.
young cliff
Uncanny needs a nerf and Blaze Away might need a nerf.
Probably worth nerfing uncanny first, you're right, it might fix most issues with the weapon and force players to engage in melee to cut caparace
tulip kettle
yes but the stack decay is 1 second instead of 8
make it 5 seconds and it becomes much more useable
and nerf the uncanny interaction with DoTs
young cliff
Dots like that are to cripple swarms anyway, you don't need uncanny for that part
tulip kettle
thats the point, yes
it means they are still just as functional as they are now into the targets they are meant for
but dont allow you to delete armour blobs
quartz barn
Arent there also more armored spawns now?
tulip kettle
technically less
quartz barn
Feels like it atleast
tulip kettle
but rot armour means theres more
young cliff
Modifiers favor caparace this time
tulip kettle
and in the event theres more
young cliff
Yeah
ripe obsidian
Also, make scab ragers carapace for the purposes of DoTs.
deft stump
technically less
I feel like that's a lie though.
tulip kettle
its not tbh
young cliff
Which should make fire staff weaker
young cliff
Also, make scab ragers carapace for the purposes of DoTs.
They aren't right? I was expecting them to swap that from flak
deft stump
its not tbh
Even outside of event and scab only mael, feels like the amount of crushers didn't change at all.
quartz barn
Even outside of event and scab only mael, feels like the amount of crushers didn...
This
ripe obsidian
They aren't right? I was expecting them to swap that from flak
DoTs use default armor type for damage, and rager default is still flak
young cliff
but its coded as flak specifically for DoTs
That's DUMB!
tulip kettle
yeah seems they just forgot to change it idk
quartz barn
Having a field day on arbi tho, stunlocking 10+ crushers and bullwarks at once
tulip kettle
the event also causes more armour spawns i think. For me, outside of rot armour, there are noticeably fewer crushers in havoc than previously
young cliff
Having a field day on arbi tho, stunlocking 10+ crushers and bullwarks at once
Being a team bodyguard is fun Ngl
deft stump
the event also causes more armour spawns i think. For me, outside of rot armour,...
I said outside of event and scab only.
summer prairie
Enemies have default armor class and hitzone overrides. Scab rager is and was flak by default. They only changed center mass override to cara but dots don't use center mass for adm
tulip kettle
yeah precisely, scab rager needs carapace as default
young cliff
It's all uncanny's fault
tulip kettle
so thats why i said all the stuff i said. Buff the other DoTs to have longer stack decay, nerf uncanny interaction, and suddenly psyker is on par with the other classes
ripe obsidian
I mean, I think it's the fault of having one armor type out of 8(?) that actually impacts the game in a meaningful way
Which makes Uncanny necessary, especially on rotten armor
tulip kettle
i also happen to think
young cliff
Maybe soulfire should be nerfed, but we need uncanny gone first
ripe obsidian
And Uncanny gives like 125% rending
tulip kettle
that if they do these changes
havoc becomes almost unplayable with current modifiers and spawn rates
40 with rot and purple, how do you deal with that much armour without this interaction
young cliff
Stims seriously are a blight, how a rager can tank more than a crusher
tulip kettle
blue bulwarks also very fun.
deft stump
40 with rot and purple, how do you deal with that much armour without this inter...
Someone is going to be all git gud, I think.
young cliff
blue bulwarks also very fun.
Indestructible piñata
tulip kettle
Someone is going to be all git gud, I think.
likely
but, look at the video chaos posted yesterday
ripe obsidian
blue bulwarks also very fun.
Blue bulwarks are aggravating
young cliff
Someone is going to be all git gud, I think.
There is always a git-gud guy in every reality
tulip kettle
the guy literally says "i didnt think it was possible to kill that much armour"
deft stump
Stims seriously are a blight, how a rager can tank more than a crusher
Blue ragers suck.
young cliff
Blue ragers suck.
Blue crusher is also indestructible
swift stag
Git gud guy is out beloved
ripe obsidian
Blue stims in general are awful. The rest are... okay
young cliff
It was NOT a fun piñata
deft stump
but, look at the video chaos posted yesterday
I don't need to, been hitting my head on the wall to get my h40 done.
hazy birch
What is the best melee in the game at demolishing crushers?
ripe obsidian
Blue crusher is better than others, since it's already carapace. So it doesn't get the carapace override that makes it that much harder to kill
young cliff
Blue stims in general are awful. The rest are... okay
I don't like the stim that makes fodder gunners shoot like they are actual elites tbh
deft stump
It's either unsupressable reaper horde or rot crusher walls.
ripe obsidian
I don't like the stim that makes fodder gunners shoot like they are actual elite...
Yellow stim, I believe. But it does give them like 4x weakness to headshots
tulip kettle
oh but, unsupressable reaper walls are fine karien, didnt you hear?
marble crater
What is the best melee in the game at demolishing crushers?
Dueling Sword and Deimos get my vote, at least for psyker
hazy birch
Was thinking overall
tulip kettle
we could just make EE do ranged damage reduction instead of immunity and there will be no problems at all
young cliff
Yellow stim, I believe. But it does give them like 4x weakness to headshots
Yeah, but when you turn a corner you already die from 3 of them looking bad at you (actual experience)
hazy birch
But ds? Really?
marble crater
It's either unsupressable reaper horde or rot crusher walls.
How about a krak wall for you, hmm?
marble crater
But ds? Really?
What is wrong with DS?
royal totem
He doesnt like DS
young cliff
we could just make EE do ranged damage reduction instead of immunity and there w...
One blight doesn't make the other fine
hazy birch
I just didn't feel it did THAT much damage to crushers
And no I'm not a huge fan of DS
tulip kettle
vet can 2 hit rot crushers with DS
young cliff
There is no DS in Atoma Prime
tulip kettle
comfortably
summer prairie
the class that has deflector doesn't get to insist that in order to be playable they also need a node that makes them completely immune to ranged damage
tulip kettle
my guy deflector is not saving you vs 3 cranial reapers
summer prairie
don't sit next to 3 cranial reapers
tulip kettle
and then we end up back in hard bubble meta
summer prairie
other classes can manage
tulip kettle
oh, you mean the classes that also have different forms of ranged immunity?
shocking
young cliff
and then we end up back in hard bubble meta
We dive into smoke veteran meta
The superior bubble
deft stump
don't sit next to 3 cranial reapers
But Syllo, you saw the nightmare.
tulip kettle
every class has at least 1 way of being ranged immune
summer prairie
nothing comparable to EE with specific weapons
young cliff
Ogryn too?
tulip kettle
yes, slab shield.
quartz barn
Shield
deft stump
Ogryn too?
Drop slab or die.
young cliff
But that doesn't allow them to shoot back
tulip kettle
EE also requires specific weapons to be useable
quartz barn
Also taunt to an extend
tulip kettle
i dont see your point
quartz barn
Forces melee
young cliff
Forces melee
Not to gunners or reapers
summer prairie
have you tried playing with shield and seen how immune to ranged it makes you
young cliff
it makes you immune
Until a gunner squadron spawns behind you
quartz barn
Corner 
young cliff
same applies to deflector
But not to smoke
tulip kettle
indeed!
ripe obsidian
I don't even use Deflector anymore.
young cliff
Same
You can use it to slide to a cover but is not what will save you
Sliding will save your bacon far more times
tulip kettle
when one stalker can take you from 0 to 97% peril in one burst its not worthwhile
you pray for EE procs
and if you miss one, you die
or you run specific weapons, like recon or surge surge, that allow you to reliably crit at least once per second
so, you have to run specific loadouts or weapons to have ranged immunity
same as every other class
its fine.
young cliff
Sliding while EE is the ultimate "I'll not die from gunfire BITCH" move
ripe obsidian
I do think EE was less objectionable when Psyker didn't have so much toughness regen and damage resist.
tulip kettle
again it makes no difference
without it functioning like it does
you will die either way
if its 50% DR, you die in 0.6 seconds instead of 0.3
young cliff
If you are reckless and take no cove or use any cover generating tool like bubble/walls or smoke
tulip kettle
my guy its not "being reckless" if you are forced to be somewhere with no cover, like on a number of maps
young cliff
if its 50% DR, you die in 0.6 seconds instead of 0.3
As you should if you are not shooting while sliding
tulip kettle
or like the other day on warrned
we are playing warren
syllo and chaos run into a room
summer prairie
other classes play builds that don't have better shooter dr than psyker without EE and manage fine
tulip kettle
me and karien get blocked by burgle
reapers come out of spawn door behind us and are up on platforms around us
i miss an ee proc and insta down
karien downs 1 second later
young cliff
The damage of havoc is supposed to be Hella unfair
quartz garnet
Sliding will save your bacon far more times
Hard to dodge slide on controller
tulip kettle
right and there we are again
they are trying to balance the game around a game that varies in difficulty from uprising to H40
if you make something useable in H40 its likely broken OP in uprising
tulip kettle
i agree, and thats why SG is where it is
they are trying to make it H40 viable
but while shooters are like they are, it never will compete with bubble or shriek
unless you are using it to guarantee EE procs on that style of build, with recon or EK
dusk wren
or infinite smite
tulip kettle
piss off
dusk wren
owned
young cliff
tulip kettle
smite users dont get accepted into lobbies, as is only right
smite users when a single blue rager shows up :
summer prairie
I think they get accepted more than non-bubble psykers
young cliff
Mandatory smitekers hate, just like the lore said
tulip kettle
smite is only seen in current season of havoc because rampaging isnt around
hazy birch
H40 SHOULD be unfair
I feel like the entire run just about should be unfair
Max level shouldn't be a standard. That should be a massive achievement few actually claim ownership of
young cliff
Feel that the point of SG is that is not supposed to be brought in all games, it's a huge damage/crit boost but you will need other deployable cover and utility to support someone nuking bosses with that damage, like Thammer zealot but with better brawling
young cliff
Max level shouldn't be a standard. That should be a massive achievement few actu...
From H30-40 the difficulty should be quite savage
tulip kettle
and it is
fierce crest
is it not
tulip kettle
whats your point
young cliff
That we should collectively kick ObeseFish ass and make them stop trying to balance it aroun the mode that should be suicide missions, the real experience
tulip kettle
i mean, then you have a different issue
the "whales" of the game, with thousands of hours, the most loyal part of the playerbase, are the people that play it
hazy birch
If 40 is max, it should be hard to even get to 30 much less 40. Typical standard for any kind of ladder system is that the maximum level is likely still not even achieved yet much less owned by numerous ppl.
tulip kettle
if they dont care about it or balancing it why would we play?
it IS like this
less than 1% of the playerbase are above clearance level 30
hazy birch
I tried to find stats on it the other day and no such number is publicly published
tulip kettle
they said it in a previous season
young cliff
I have only H29 I think, because I have been rejected from most teams
hazy birch
But to hear people talk about it you'd think it's fairly common
tulip kettle
you are here
marble crater
Am I part of a 1%? 
marble crater
and Dom
royal totem
But to hear people talk about it you'd think it's fairly common
it's not at all
tulip kettle
to realise most players dont know shit about this game
fierce crest
my highest clear is 35 
young cliff
or look at upvoted builds on gameslantern
I'm sorry but the gameslantern builds range from OH GOD WHY to this needs adjustments
tulip kettle
yes thats my point
marble crater
Sometimes I inspect random people on the Mourningstar to feel better about my own build
tulip kettle
also this
hazy birch
That's what I'd expect. But then you hear ppl talk about balancing the game for that level of play and it's like, you balance for the masses. Not the giga minority.
fierce crest
you balance for the goal of the masses
tulip kettle
and if they dont balance for the dedicated playerbase
the your whales dont play the game
and then what
young cliff
Isn't the dedicated player base Aurics?
fierce crest
if the highest level is bad the mid level players that want to improve will lose motivation
tulip kettle
idk i think myself and many players here are at the point where auric isnt challenging enough
hazy birch
The goal for most people is to dabble in that content. If even that. I don't think a majority of players want to actually push high havoc
tulip kettle
its fun fuck around and chill out mode
fierce crest
idk im pretty happy with auric difficulty
young cliff
We need auric +
tulip kettle
yes and thats fine
fierce crest
but i play with a lot of friends that are much worse than me
young cliff
ITS CALLED HAVOC 40
Lies, it's H30
H40 is a bigger beast
Hell even H25-30 would say it's Auric +
ripe obsidian
I feel like Ghost could be an interesting Vet talent if put under the headshot keystone.
young cliff
I feel like Ghost could be an interesting Vet talent if put under the headshot k...
We need to make that blessing even more irrelevant?
ripe obsidian
i was supposed to ask Six to play last night
I fell asleep at 8pm and slept for like 13 hours
tulip kettle
make it make sense.
ripe obsidian
I was not around
young cliff
Feel that I'll die on that hill, but I do think EE is a lil broken
royal totem
I fell asleep at 8pm and slept for like 13 hours
what a legend. i wish i could do that
marble crater
I fell asleep at 8pm and slept for like 13 hours
Covid moment
young cliff
what a legend. i wish i could do that
Sleeping at healthy times must feel so good
tulip kettle
right and i just pointed out the hypocrisy and nonsense in that take
you can die on your hill
young cliff
You presented your argument and I respect it, but it has failed to convince me good Sir
fierce crest
isnt 21 already harder than auric
quartz barn
Yes
ripe obsidian
what a legend. i wish i could do that
I'm old.
young cliff
Yeah, around 25 it's already harder than Aurics and maelstorms
quartz barn
16 is auric mealstrom
tulip kettle
its not, though
fierce crest
16 is still heresy baseline tho
ripe obsidian
Covid moment
Nah, my body punishing me for averaging 6 hours of sleep a night for like a week.
marble crater
I wanted to buy games, but I can't because Xbox is down, then I wanted to check Xbox server status but that website is also down, it's so over...
tulip kettle
enemeies literally have heresy HP pools
ripe obsidian
I'd say 25 is Auric Maelstrom.
marble crater
Nah, my body punishing me for averaging 6 hours of sleep a night for like a week...
rip
fierce crest
21 is damnation and since you have fading light already plus the modifiers thats basically already an auric mael
quartz barn
I though emp blessing 1 was damnation+
ripe obsidian
30 is Emperor's Dying Light 2, so it's the next major step up
tulip kettle
30 is where its noticeably harder than auric
zealous wing
that explains it for me
fierce crest
I though emp blessing 1 was damnation+
fading light 1 is at 16, damnation is at 21
royal totem
oh hi Hexis
zealous wing
hi
ripe obsidian
You know what's weird? Rot + cranial is harder than any other modifier combo for me. I don't know why. I have beaten Rot + stims and Rot + purple. It feels like Rot + cranial just spawns more trickle hordes
tulip kettle
rot + purple makes the most bullshit scenarios
fierce crest
what about other cranial combos?
tulip kettle
the other day i played with randoms and we had 2 purple captains and 2 monstrosities + all the rot armour hordes
zealous wing
ew
tulip kettle
just unclearable
young cliff
rot + purple makes the most bullshit scenarios
Surgically lure a purple boss away from the horde is seriously a Herculean task
tulip kettle
they all were just, dying and doing nothing
not their fault at all
the zealot just going around ressing and trying not to die
ripe obsidian
what about other cranial combos?
Haven't noticed issues
tulip kettle
eventually i did lure the monstrosities away and killed em
burgle ate me and took me to another room with them
zealous wing
burgle took pity
young cliff
Burgle is seriously the most annoying terrain hazard
tulip kettle
but this time we didnt make it
ripe obsidian
burgle ate me and took me to another room with them
Have you gotten burster'd while burgled?
ripe obsidian
It is sadness
tulip kettle
i had a burgle spit me off the map last week
ripe obsidian
I got overheaded while a c spawn was monching me the other day
royal totem
burgles can spit you off the map?????
young cliff
i had a burgle spit me off the map last week
As in to a cliff or literally off the map?
ripe obsidian
And a different c spawn throw me off the top level of a map to the bottom, which killed me from fall damage
young cliff
Damn I also got spitted out the borders of the map, it looks odd to fall forever
zealous wing
sut cue the clip
tulip kettle
i will look for the scoreboard of that rot purple silo fail
but i think i had something like 3.2 mil dmg
fierce crest
"you are immune to other damage while being grabbed by mutants" said a liar.
mutants would be the most nonthreatening enemy if this were true
zealous wing
ill queue the clip myself
royal totem
ill queue the clip myself
pain
fierce crest
yeah if youve been grabbed by a mutant more than like twice you know it doesnt protect you
marble crater
tulip kettle
ill queue the clip myself
why didnt you simply proc ee and not die?
marble crater
Because it's me
zealous wing
why didnt you simply proc ee and not die?
it was sut, as arby 
tulip kettle
im trolling ofc
marble crater
so was Hexis when he didn't save me from this situation
zealous wing
i know, i should be better about protecting the handicapped players over on console
royal totem
it was SuT that got covid from playing with me right?
zealous wing
with you and me, yes
and someone else
when we took our lowest level characters to damnation
royal totem
potato i think was it?
marble crater
Never playing damnation again
zealous wing
yeah it was beans
marble crater
potato i think was it?
Someone else
zealous wing
i think it was beans/potato 
royal totem
no no SuT you took the wrong lesson. the lesson is don't play with me again
tulip kettle
i dont see beans in that clip
zealous wing
that clip isnt from the shenanigan
tulip kettle
ah i see
zealous wing
we did the terminus assassination mission
marble crater
It was someone newish from the discord, or at least new to psyker chat at the time
zealous wing
i had a lvl 2 psyker
royal totem
i have a level like 15
zealous wing
was it crom?
royal totem
though i deleted my 2nd psyker
zealous wing
i think crom was after
how much longer for the event btw
couple weeks still, right? or is it rush time soon?
young cliff
The rashuns thingy? I feel there is at least one more week and a half
royal totem
have you not started the event Hexis?
zealous wing
started yes, but like, tier 3 or 4 only
royal totem
ah i see
zealous wing
id have to log in to check
royal totem
@zealous wing 11 days 16 h
zealous wing
ty 
royal totem
yay cookies!
ripe obsidian
I am too easy of a mark. A guy approached me on the walk to work asking for gas money. I know it was a scam, I have gone through this scam before, but I was willing to give him $10 just to leave me alone.
ripe obsidian
It's just mildly frustrating
I've had to call the police only... thrice in my life?
Once for a flipped car, as I was first on the scene, once for a guy walking around in public with a bow, and once for a homeless guy who was naked and seemed to be dying on the sidewalk.
marble crater
Why the fuck not
royal totem
i'm a minority in America
ripe obsidian
Unfortunate
I am a white guy in America who doesn't look LGBTQ+, so I have not experienced very much discrimination
marble crater
i'm a minority in America
Understandable
fierce crest
I am a white guy in America who doesn't look LGBTQ+, so I have not experienced v...
dye your hair blue
young cliff
Why blue?
ripe obsidian
Blue is the color that makes certain people angriest.
fierce crest
idk blue haired liberal is the stereotype
ripe obsidian
Which is funny.
royal totem
the police department where i live now is much more trustworthy than where i lived at that time but yea lmao.
young cliff
Like moving fabric and bulls? Damn
royal totem
idk blue haired liberal is the stereotype
why's it not pink-haired? 😮
ripe obsidian
idk blue haired liberal is the stereotype
I live in Austin. Very few people would care
ripe obsidian
This city is actually the most LGBTQ+ friendly in the country. Or near the top.
normal matrix
Pink is less common than blue
royal totem
oh i guess Six isn't that far away from me
young cliff
maybe cuz pink is a bit closer to a natural hair color
With what? Where?!;
royal totem
in relative US terms
normal matrix
With what? Where?!;
Ginger
ripe obsidian
Austin is an oasis of sanity in the wasteland of Texas.
fierce crest
most big cities are pretty progressive for anything that isnt homelessness
royal totem
Austin is an oasis of sanity in the wasteland of Texas.
this is going into the book called "Forbidden Knowledge of the Six"
ripe obsidian
most big cities are pretty progressive for anything that isnt homelessness
I think the state just ordered Austin to remove all homeless people.
young cliff
this is going into the book called "Forbidden Knowledge of the Six"
We are expanding the LORE
fierce crest
marble crater
I think the state just ordered Austin to remove all homeless people.
Buy giving them homes, right?
fierce crest
remove them to where, Texas?
ripe obsidian
Buy giving them homes, right?
fierce crest
another 10 trillion dollars to ai
royal totem
but let's forget all of that and just build AI data centers. Yes-yes
royal totem
sniff sniff scratch scratch m-more warpstone fuel for magic-creations yes? yes?
languid cipher
another 10 trillion dollars to ai
may this ai bubble pass soon
fierce crest
5 years minimum, take it or leave it
housing bubble took forever before finally popping in 08
languid cipher
yeah, prime time to try and get into software engineering, damm me
ripe obsidian
may this ai bubble pass soon
May the layoffs be minimal.
young cliff
but let's forget all of that and just build AI data centers. Yes-yes
We need ai to tell us how to save the homeless by using all the more we would use to solve that issue or smtg
languid cipher
May the layoffs be minimal.
May the lord reward you with many suited frogs.
ripe obsidian
I'm a network engineer at a big tech company. Gotta hope for the best.
Big tech company invested heavily in AI, at that.
royal totem
We need ai to tell us how to save the homeless by using all the more we would us...
i'm pretty sure that's how some actual tech people think
i'm a photographer and i'm not going to start explaining how that's impacted by AI
fierce crest
grok show me a photo of a sitting president's butthole
languid cipher
grok is this real?
white sky
Grok create a profile for every american based off of how they move in the views of street cameras to decide if they're a threat to my power.
patent mango
clearly if we invest the entire worlds networth into ai it'll finally do something useful trust
fierce crest
we're actually losing money if we dont invest
patent mango
90% of gamblers quit before winning big and all
fierce crest
they already won humongous
90% of gamblers quit before winning it even bigger
90% of gamblers quit before winning bigger than anyone in the history of the planet
patent mango
idk if flooding everything with slop is winning tbh but it probably somehow does make a profit
white sky
90% of gamblers quit before they can control national interests through their influence
fierce crest
the winning is the money
patent mango
just gotta ruin everything else lmao
fierce crest
still winning
patent mango
yea
ripe obsidian
Grok is probably one of the shittiest AI's
Most AI is shitty. Sifting through the hallucinations to find useful information is a learned skill. I mostly use AI to give me CLI commands for hardware I am not familiar with and/or quickly creating spreadsheets
royal totem
Most AI is shitty. Sifting through the hallucinations to find useful information...
yes but Grok is trained by a man-child on probably even more sus info by most.
fierce crest
the problem with ai isnt conceptually or quality
its the resource burning and infinite copyright violations
patent mango
its that they wanna use it specifically for only the wrong things tbh
royal totem
90% of gamblers quit before winning bigger than anyone in the history of the pla...
this reminds me of when people say their retirement plan is to win the lotto
ripe obsidian
its the resource burning and infinite copyright violations
This is very bad, yes.
fierce crest
ive seen quite a few streamers that have trained a genai speech synthesizer on their own voice for text to speech
which is the most fine thing to do
p sure you can do it on your own hardware too
the problem is that every mainstream model has stolen from every artist ever
fierce crest
and thats with the broadest definition of artist too
royal totem
i just called the r word over voice chat
when it wasn't my fault
there are some days where i just wish some people didn't exist
royal totem
in game
fierce crest
report their ass
royal totem
i literally wasn't in a havoc assignment and my terminal still shows i'm not but for some reason they assumed it was me and told me "get out of the group R. F off. " abbreviated words were said out loud in full
i love the community soooooooo much /s
ripe obsidian
Report and block.
I've gotten people banned for using slurs in Vermintide.
Haven't had the issue yet in Darktide.
fierce crest
40k fandom less bigoted confirmed o7
ripe obsidian
People suck.
royal totem
yes. they really do
white sky
40k in particular is pretty bad tbh
royal totem
it's the peril of playing with randoms 🙁
patent mango
it's the peril of playing with randoms 🙁
psyker reference?????
royal totem
but what am i to do? i'm too bottom 10% to play with people i know
ripe obsidian
A friend of mine quit 40k and went to... bolt action, I think, to escape the bigots.
white sky
The ww2 game is unironically a little more chill in that regard
patent mango
i saw people were malding about the SoB in b oltgun 2 lol
ripe obsidian
but what am i to do? i'm too bottom 10% to play with people i know
Unfortunately, people at lower difficulty levels also tend to be asshole, in my experience. People at H40 just play the game and don't talk. People at, like, H25-35 are more often jerks.
patent mango
part of that is fatsharks fault since derank is awful
white sky
People in H25-35 are as whiney as malice players ime, its not every game but my god when they start
ripe obsidian
The ww2 game is unironically a little more chill in that regard
I think legit WWII fans have a much lower tolerance for nazis.
royal totem
i have 0 tolerance for nazis.
patent mango
well thats how its meant to be
royal totem
Unfortunately, people at lower difficulty levels also tend to be asshole, in my ...
rip that makes me not wanna havoc ._.
white sky
I think legit WWII fans have a much lower tolerance for nazis.
Normally if someone is playing Germans in BA they're a bit uh, self aware. Or they're a very edgy 14 year old.
ripe obsidian
i have 0 tolerance for nazis.
Good.
ripe obsidian
Normally if someone is playing Germans in BA they're a bit uh, self aware. Or th...
Hopefully the latter group will be guided by people with more sense.
fierce crest
rip that makes me not wanna havoc ._.
find players in this discord, tends to be much better
people are a bit more tied to their repuation
royal totem
while i don't wish too much to talk about my family's history, my family suffered a lot under a certain authoritarian regime (that wasn't the Nazis)
ripe obsidian
people are a bit more tied to their repuation
royal totem
find players in this discord, tends to be much better
they're too much more skilled than me. i'm just bottom 10%
ripe obsidian
I am self-proclaimed king of the psykers. That is my reputation.
royal totem
can't even clear havoc 40. or even havoc 30
queen fog
I can vouch for this servers laxness compared to public havocs, publics won’t even bat an eye to me cuz my rank says 1
Meanwhile here they’ll at least hear me out
fierce crest
they're too much more skilled than me. i'm just bottom 10%
i have played in havoc 40 lobbies with ppl from here and literally never won and they were chill
royal totem
so therefore i'm bottom 10%
ripe obsidian
can't even clear havoc 40. or even havoc 30
Despite what this server might say, very few people can reliably clear 40.
I see the same maybe 100 people every time I look for a game
fierce crest
low 20s i good
queen fog
Sadly my kindness has netted me misfortune, helped a vet in my mourningstar that didn’t know what havoc was so I took him on his 1st havoc
royal totem
Despite what this server might say, very few people can reliably clear 40.
one day i'll make my friend play with you so he can finally get a win lmao
patent mango
I can vouch for this servers laxness compared to public havocs, publics won’t ev...
well im guessing havoc 1 has the least clears technically
so havoc 1 is the real top 1%
fiery stratus
queen fog
If you wanna count matches not happening as least clears I guess
ripe obsidian
one day i'll make my friend play with you so he can finally get a win lmao
Only if I play Psyker or Arby. Can't reliably win on other classes
royal totem
Sadly my kindness has netted me misfortune, helped a vet in my mourningstar that...
it has to have gone well right?
royal totem
Only if I play Psyker or Arby. Can't reliably win on other classes
he plays every class but i think currently mostly psyker and zealot
ripe obsidian
Sadly my kindness has netted me misfortune, helped a vet in my mourningstar that...
@strong gulch remember that Zealot...?
queen fog
it has to have gone well right?
The match itself went fine, sadly didn’t have anyone else sides me and the vet but at the end I forgot to go do some havocing of my own
So my ranks now chilling at 1
ripe obsidian
he plays every class but i think currently mostly psyker and zealot
My skill level is Psyker >>> Arby >>> Veteran > Zealot >>> Ogryn
weary crane
Is there any way to animation cancel and spam force sword push?
ripe obsidian
Is there any way to animation cancel and spam force sword push?
Hold block while powering up the sword
Oh, oops
royal totem
my skill level is Zealot-->arb-------------------------->everything else
ripe obsidian
I don't laugh at people
strong gulch
<@417891087500312576> remember that Zealot...?
Idk what you're about (I know exactly what you're talking about).
royal totem
i can blow up like 3 or 4 times in a round of malice
ripe obsidian
Laughing at people who aren't seeking a laugh is mean.
And I am only mean to people who deserve it.
ripe obsidian
Idk what you're about (I know exactly what you're talking about).
86k damage in a... 20 minute Havoc game?
royal totem
sometimes i blow up cuz my wep didn't swap though 🙁
royal totem
86k damage in a... 20 minute Havoc game?
that's like my damage in havoc. don't judge 🙁
strong gulch
86k damage in a... 20 minute Havoc game?
I don't remember. They did their best. I hope they're still playing the game.
ripe obsidian
sometimes i blow up cuz my wep didn't swap though 🙁
ripe obsidian
I don't remember. They did their best. I hope they're still playing the game.
They did their best. It was a rough intro to high difficulties
fierce crest
lmao the ai thumbnail
strong gulch
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/331
This mod does help.
royal totem
what if i play prayer zealot?
fierce crest
not a gunknife but a knifeknife with a trigger
strong gulch
Swapping issues are not completely solved, but it's better.
queen fog
not a gunknife but a knifeknife with a trigger
It’s like a mini gunbreaker weapon
From final fantasy
royal totem
gunbreaker was fun
royal totem
i could go into a long tangent about my favorite final fantasy characters but i won't
fierce crest
why did i think that was lulu
weary crane
Is Deimos still better at single target than obscurus?
ripe obsidian
oh thats tifa im blind
I assume it's Kingdom Hearts.
Since Tifa is 7 and Squall is 9, no?
fierce crest
his name is leon in kingdom hearts
but i never played kh3 so maybe they fixed it
squall is ff8
ripe obsidian
Is Deimos still better at single target than obscurus?
Obscurus is better but less safe and harder to use consistently
ripe obsidian
squall is ff8
My mistake. I have only played a handful of Final Fantasies
weary crane
Obscurus is better but less safe and harder to use consistently
Which is better for crushers?
brazen warren
wait, obscurus is not terrible anymore wat
fierce crest
visual novels with worse gameplay
proper spoke
FF7 had a playtime counter that capped at 999 hours. I know, because I reached it twice
verbal thistle
wait, obscurus is not terrible anymore wat
Never really was. It did get a general moveset improvement a few months ago too
I wonder if obscurus still has fastest crusher ttk
strong gulch
If you're good at melee or you just like to fight, I rec obscurus over deimos.
If you want more defense and simplicity, deimos.
ripe obsidian
Which is better for crushers?
Obscurus afaik. Is that correct, @verbal thistle ?
verbal thistle
Yeah
ripe obsidian
Oh, you are already here
fierce crest
but big stab :(
verbal thistle
Been playing melee psyker into rotten armor
ripe obsidian
Sorry for the ping
weary crane
Yeah I'm thinking of using a force sword instead
ripe obsidian
Which?
verbal thistle
weary crane
Didn't Deimos use to be much better at single target?
brazen warren
I havent touched obscurus in ages so its just a surprise, ill have to check it in the meat grinder
ripe obsidian
Didn't Deimos use to be much better at single target?
Obscurus got buffed a while back. I might be able to find it
verbal thistle
I havent touched obscurus in ages so its just a surprise, ill have to check it i...
Heavy light light for single. Light heavy repeat for horde
ripe obsidian
verbal thistle
It's really easy
weary crane
What about heavy heavy
verbal thistle
For what?
brazen warren
mmm, with the crusher health boost it really is a limited selection of stuff you want to take for coverage
weary crane
Obscurus
brazen warren
bleh
ripe obsidian
I still use Deimos because I am a lazy person. But I might try Obscurus. The H2 poke is just so cozy
weary crane
My brain can't handle loops longer than 2
weary crane
I see
verbal thistle
Special can 1 tap mutants with headshot or crit (h40 with maniac perk)
weary crane
Doesn't Deimos heavy throw them on ground though?
verbal thistle
Or a H1 crit weakspot
Why throw them on ground when you can kill them
If you want them staggered, force push
normal matrix
Has anyone else been tanking crusher overheads with the peril on damage perk?
normal matrix
This is indeed what i mean yes
brazen warren
yep that is some potent single target right there
weary crane
What makes obscurus better now? It's ADM values?
Or just it's attack speed with the combos
sturdy reef
Its range is very good
weary crane
ripe obsidian
Why throw them on ground when you can kill them
Because I am afraid of them
weary crane
Me too
verbal thistle
weary crane
They move way to fucking fast
strong gulch
I honestly need to go spend a lot time in the meat grinder and train. I just can't play as much as I used to and when I can, I'd just rather play a mission with a friend.
ripe obsidian
https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258
This is my kitty.
patent mango
I honestly need to go spend a lot time in the meat grinder and train. I just can...
hyperbolic time chamber
verbal thistle
fluff
patent mango
This is my kitty.
powerful...
ripe obsidian
That is a quality feline
strong gulch
crimes being plotted
ripe obsidian
I currently have 4 cats
strong gulch
I currently have 4 cats
let's not move in together
our two households would have 9 cats (10.5 if you count the outside monsters)
ripe obsidian
https://tenor.com/view/nub-nub-cat-silly-cat-silly-kitty-gif-7773816275616110994
Cats are good
royal totem
i have a question
for somebody smarter than me
since Martyrdom doesn't rely on crits for cd, can i like use something other than DS or knife
ripe obsidian
Most I have had was 6. It was during the period when my ex wasn't living with me, but hadn't taken her cats yet (???). I wanted to keep them. Well, all but 1 of them. He super didn't get along with one of my kitties, which was bad for both of them.
verbal thistle
marty cooldown is really good because it needs no enemies to work
royal totem
marty cooldown is really good because it needs no enemies to work
yes but it doesn't answer my question whether i can say take a thammer or heavy eviscerator
ripe obsidian
since Martyrdom doesn't rely on crits for cd, can i like use something other ...
If you aren't using a big weapon with Martyrdom, you are doing it wrong. Go full berserker. Rampage. Maim. Cause carnage.
verbal thistle
marty cooldown works with any weapon
verbal thistle
I use tactical axe
weary idol
yes but it doesn't answer my question whether i can say take a thammer or heavy...
thammer is low tier and kinda bad
verbal thistle
but whatever you want
weary idol
and this has been the case since the games release
verbal thistle
hammer is really good now with zealot rework
weary idol
it does one thing good which is boss damage
And even in that I wouldn't call it the best boss damage in the game
verbal thistle
it gets the cleave it wants plus the easy 1 tap on crushers now
plus its the best boss damage in the game
royal totem
wait it can 1 tap crushers? 😮
weary idol
Simply because it takes setup to do that boss damage, and isn't nearly as safe as just boltering it on gun vet
verbal thistle
only downside if mixed horde ttk
weary idol
And also you have to carry around that paperweight of a melee the entire mission
Just so you can MAYBE one shot a boss
weary crane
Ainz is it possible to animation cancel force push to do them faster?
verbal thistle
no need to gimp build to do a meme
loud girder
counter argument: its fun as fuck with the new running while charging heavies perk
verbal thistle
Ainz is it possible to animation cancel force push to do them faster?
not that I know of
but I might do it unaware because of muscle memory
royal totem
but memes are funny and i run infiltrate thammer when i want to big bonk bosses. but here we're talking prayer
weary idol
If you
- Don't miss
- Have Shroudfield off cooldown
- hit reg behaves
- It's not a chaos spawn because their hitboxes are dogshit
- There are no ragers/maulers/crushers around
- ** hit reg behaves**
hearty wolf
skill issue
weary idol
just to have funny boss damage that can be close 2nded by an exe vet that has to account for none of these things aside from missing and isn't sacrificing an entire weapon slot on mediocre dogshit just to do it
weary crane
Tbh fatshark servers are so ahh you have to take no hit reg into account
weary idol
It is the one good thing Thammer does despite all that though
Shit will nuke havoc 40 bosses
modest perch
weary idol
hardly a sacrifice with the state of born leader now
It is no big deal
Because exe is good now
Pre-rework vet yeah exe was a meme
Exe is genuine competition to VoC if you have the aim for it now
loud girder
hammer needs love but its no where near this bad
its also one of the most fun weapons mechanically 
ripe obsidian
Rude.
weary idol
my strong opinions also come from me almost exclusively playing marty zealot on the rare occasions I play them
Zealot is my least favorite class by miles because martyrdom is the only fun playstyle they have
loud girder
IJ making two handers feel nimble is pretty cool tbh
piety is just stats and tankiness
royal totem
either way. too bad. i'm playing thammer
zealous wing
thammer is crazy fun
royal totem
thammer and eviscerator are the weps i truly like on zealot
zealous wing
and, it works in h40 somewhat fine too
royal totem
unless i'm running piety knife or piety DS
zealous wing
crucis specifically, ironhelm being buggy made me not bother testing
crucis on the rotten crushers was 😩
not the most ideal of course, but, it was effective
royal totem
on a sadge note. i have to see the dentist. again. next week ._.
zealous wing
oof
royal totem
i need an opinion. Thammer+flamer or Thamer+combat shotgun? (feel free to suggest another gun)
weary idol
flamer accomodates thammer being complete ass into anything smaller than a crusher
strong gulch
Isn't there tknife teck with flamers too?
royal totem
i suppose i could also bring a boltgun the new mark to explode a horde in a pinch
ripe obsidian
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/300828093436919809/1433148201690595398/20...
Dilute tortie!
brazen warren
obscurus absolutely deletes crushers, nice
just ran an auric even mission, saved my bacon several times
strong gulch
Dilute tortie!
My partner thinks I made up the coat / pattern name whenever I call Goblin a dilute tortie tabby. 😭