#psyker-class

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marble crater
hazy birch
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fgs is franks red hot

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honestly tho i been trying to give dueling sword a fair shake and its not bad

marble crater
hazy birch
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idk if thats going to replace the fgs for me but i can stomach it at least

strong gulch
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of course DS isn't bad

prime elk
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yeah "not bad" is one way to describe DS KEKW_ogryn

marble crater
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Dueling Sword being labeled as not bad is hilarious

sleek lynx
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I know dueling sword is good but I maxed it playing vet and I kinda don’t want to use it again

hazy birch
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for the longest time i couldnt feel any damage out of it and im still not a fan of its move set

sleek lynx
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It’s also kinda mid for horde clear

prime elk
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yeah that's like the one thing that's not op or great about DS

hazy birch
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yea and im typically looking to my melee for horde clear

strong gulch
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it's not even mid for horde clear

hazy birch
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compared to the FGS its pretty shit for horde clear

prime elk
strong gulch
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but keep in mind with aoe staves,, you are not looking for horde clear melee

hazy birch
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lots of other better sweepers than the dueling sword

prime elk
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psyker has a lot of other horde clear sources

hazy birch
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yea which is why i been trying it

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typically i run a big gun for my ranged slot and look to something like the 2h chain sword or something for actual clear

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i like melee with good sweeping attacks. a year ago i mostly used the chain axe. push attack was good for hordes and still had good single target with a revved heavy

marble crater
strong gulch
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yes

hazy birch
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always fun sploding a barrel next to a teammate and watching em launch into orbit

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seriously tho there are way too many explosive canisters in this game

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literal bombs in every room

long wharf
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even better, getting revenge on a teammate that barrels you by blowing up the poxburster they're preparing to push away

hazy birch
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i shoot bursters. no chance of that KEKW_ogryn

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i forget which map it is but the first area you come across is outside with nothing on the left but sky. someone is getting yeeted off the building every match. its guaranteed.

verbal thistle
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Gloriana

hazy birch
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barrel, burster, the fucking plague ogryn thats guaranteed to spawn there, whatever. something is yeeting at least one person

verbal thistle
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Murphy's law

long wharf
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not even Murphy

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Darktide

hazy birch
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i know every pve game is actively trying to kill you at all times but darktide takes it to 11

strong gulch
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inferno modifier gloriana

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that is scary

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just never use VB or purg in that section unless pre boom

hazy birch
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yea thats the one

sleek lynx
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Ok I am not fond of the voidblast build either

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I just don’t like staves I guess

verbal thistle
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Fair enough

long wharf
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at least you tried

sleek lynx
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The most enjoyable was to play the caster class is a melee build ig

strong gulch
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EK LMB spam can take the place of a gun for right side builds.

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There is a niche way to build trauma that basically is rarely used and supports your melee.

Topple things over to setup melee or when things are spicy and you need some CC.

hazy birch
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inferno excluded, is there even a difference in the lmb attack for staves?

long wharf
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sadly no

strong gulch
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LMB attacks on non-inferno staves are the same, but EK is the only staff with a crit bonus stat.

hazy birch
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didnt think so but figured maybe they had diff damage or properties or something

sleek lynx
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I think bolt pistol will still suit me better since I take the node that converts some damage taken into peril and if I tried to use the staff at max peril I’d explode

hazy birch
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only below cit peril

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but theres always vent

strong gulch
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SG quells on activation and there's warp unbound.

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also active quelling

hazy birch
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for me i need to be using staves. if i want to use guns i got other classes. i play psyker to do psyker shit lol

sleek lynx
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If I happen to be at max peril after using scries and need to quickly delete a ranged enemy, bolt pistol is safer

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I play psyker for the moonlight greatsword

hazy birch
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like not having a FGS already feels dirty

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i remember when it was still called the large sword of moonlight, and didnt do fancy shit

strong gulch
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EK SG WU build usually have 100% "i won't explode when I cast" uptime. I think it's a little less so since PA nerf if you aren't killing specials and elites aggressively.

restive stag
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and then i picked up vraks

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and i started playing vet 2.0

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and im loving it

hazy birch
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i dont even like vet 1.0

restive stag
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i dont either

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that's the crazy part

sleek lynx
hazy birch
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for me, vet 2.0 is arbitrator

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thats actually fun to play

restive stag
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vraks/combat shotty vet is the only thing ill touch

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anything else feels awful

sleek lynx
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I like vet cuz funny shovel and plasma is one of 3 guns in the game I enjoy

restive stag
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(to me)

hazy birch
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i would like to try the plasma gun

restive stag
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its good

hazy birch
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its just the rest of his kit is kinda vanilla. abilities and whatnot

restive stag
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i mean yeah that is a fair feeling to have but i do think it's part of the appeal to vet

sleek lynx
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He’s just kinda “gun man” yea

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I like the simplicity

restive stag
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gun and grenade man that also melees i guess

strong gulch
hazy birch
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but so is arbiter

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but hes got interesting stuff aside from that

restive stag
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i dont think arbiter is gun man

sleek lynx
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Arbiter seems more like mace man

restive stag
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he's alot more focused in on what he does

hazy birch
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im definitely gun man on arbiter

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bolt gun man, specifically

austere warren
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Not by comparison in the same ways but arbites guns aren't anything to slouch at.

sleek lynx
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Though arb does have that cool shotgun

restive stag
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that's ok yea, they work out well on arbitrator thankfully

sleek lynx
restive stag
hazy birch
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mag dumping a bolt gun into big things is a feel good moment

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i guess vet has more ways to stim his gunplay than arbitrator does

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but i have a dog

austere warren
hazy birch
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and shock mines

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and castigators

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and a cool helmet

austere warren
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So it just existing with builds on most days isn't going to be a wash.

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You kinda gotta work to make arbites struggle with weapons.

restive stag
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yup

royal totem
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@strong gulch are you playing tonight?

strong gulch
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I am feeling unwell.

royal totem
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fair enough.

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🙁 hope you feel better soon!

strong gulch
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I hope so. Every day is a gamble tbh. I'm disabled and chronically ill, so I can't really predict how I'll feel in a couple hours.

royal totem
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@hazy birch if you haven't, check the havoc terminal and pick up the weekly rewards

restive stag
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might try out a tactical axe

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honestly

rancid jasper
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super fun for crit builds

royal totem
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i got into a havoc as infiltrate zealot

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uh oh

rain wren
royal totem
royal totem
rain wren
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Ouch

sleek lynx
rotund dagger
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venting melee psyker build... with anti armor staff.... hmmmm much fun i like

restive stag
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my hatred for obscurus does not have an end to it

rotund dagger
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I use illisi here

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what the fuck is a vertical attack

restive stag
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i just dont get the buzz aorund obscurus and it's kinda frustrating

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hear its really good
use it
like, decent single target and i think the worst horde clear of any other psyker melee i've used

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and the worst part is that it also hurts my fingers to use i dont get it

strong gulch
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Obscurus is a combo weapon. If you don't like or can't use fiddly weapons, then def avoid it.

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Both it's single and aoe are a mix of lights and heavies.

restive stag
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that isnt the issue

strong gulch
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But I do agree, at least the way I play, that obscurus doesn't have enough horde clear on it's own.

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My partner does well with it. Ainz also does well.

I swear they got different kinds of hands and brains than me. lmao

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I would need assail and idk if that's enough to get enough horde clear for my needs.

royal totem
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i feel like a god when i clutch so many times lmao. even though i'm actually bad

restive stag
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even assail hasn't proven to be enough with it for me

prime elk
royal totem
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hmmmm...illisi huh

restive stag
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illisi is alot better than people make it out to be

rotund dagger
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its literally peak?

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wdym "im so sorry"

rotund dagger
strong gulch
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no

restive stag
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no

rotund dagger
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yes

strong gulch
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unless you mean light spam or heavy spam is a combo

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and that single taps are never a thing

zinc phoenix
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Some weapons should be easy to use because not everyone nolifes this game

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Ideally every weapon would have an “easy” and “complex” variant

rotund dagger
prime elk
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Illisi is very easy to use

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But it’s kinda shit sorry

rotund dagger
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I like to heavy > light for maximum headshots

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on the illisi

zinc phoenix
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You shouldn’t get best in class performance from an easy to use weapon

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Mastery should bring benefits after all

royal totem
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i like to pretend to know combos but when shit hits the fan forget it all and just tap lights over and over

rotund dagger
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Couldn't be me

zinc phoenix
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I’ve mastered a couple weapon marks but most of them not so much 😂

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Mk6 and mk8 fgs, oscurus. That’s it 😂

royal totem
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@strong gulch will you still play with me if i start only playing infiltrate zealot lmao

rotund dagger
restive stag
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i honestly dont bother with most weapons that have al ight heavy horde combo

zinc phoenix
strong gulch
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It's about accessibility. If you don't want disabled people to play, then that's quite a take.

If you mean more to what oddball was saying, to where there should easy and a complex way to use a weapon then I am down for that. The easy way should still be effective tho (not as strong as the complex way).

zinc phoenix
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The XP bar I paid to fill in like 5m 😂

royal totem
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nice!

restive stag
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i always find myself returning to illisi

zinc phoenix
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Thank god for rotted stims, people have finally stopped begging for bubble

royal totem
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but oddballllllllllllll

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i want bubble 🙁

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goes infiltrate and runs out of it right away

rotund dagger
umbral atlas
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whats the best blessing to put on the regular force sword? I'm gonna run deflector while leveling but also curious about later

ripe obsidian
cosmic cobalt
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the more i play with deflector the more i think it just isn't that useful tbh

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the block cost reduction is nice though

small axle
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is the fire staff viable late game in high havoc?

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it does so little damage

cosmic cobalt
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it's the best weapon in the game

small axle
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cuz of the stagger on primary right?

cosmic cobalt
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the damage come from warpfire tick

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you only use primary to stagger and suppression

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use m2 for damage

small axle
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hmmm okay i’ll do more testing and observe

ripe obsidian
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It is the highest damage weapon in the game

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By far

small axle
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how much can you stack with soul blaze?

royal totem
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isn't it like 32 or something? i think with staff it's only 16 though.

cosmic cobalt
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to be exact 15 is the "normal" cap

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but with crit proc you can get to 16

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in practice it 16

royal totem
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huh didn't realize it works like that but alright ty for that breakdown 😮

royal totem
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ah. Six with the correection

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i guess i'm just wrong today lmao

small axle
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does anyone mind hopping onto voice and watch me stream rq

ripe obsidian
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15-16 with staff, up to 31 with PC or shriek

small axle
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not sure if im doing it right

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]nvm im seeing the damage

umbral atlas
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Hah, I didn't realize the random force sword I'm using while leveling a new character has the stat spread of 76/76/76/76/76. Kinda makes me want to upgrade it even though its not optimal

royal totem
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it's funnyu though

umbral atlas
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I might just so I can have a high power level weapon earlier instead of waiting for a better one

cosmic cobalt
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it also really rare

obtuse dome
umbral atlas
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yeah I know

nocturne dust
royal totem
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mmm got it. i was in the correct balpark though xD

nocturne dust
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and technically, its direct damage is pretty weak

quartz garnet
nocturne dust
quartz garnet
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Ik but generally i see brain burst used mostly with shriek or scrier

nocturne dust
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  1. Brainburst is awful and Inferno easily beats it even on single target (notice I said Inferno isn't crazy, it's still fairly decent single target for an AoE murder machine)
quartz garnet
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I can't get my head around scrier and burst combo tho

plucky flax
quartz garnet
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Mostly

plucky flax
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Smite bubble is good

quartz garnet
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Sometimes electric staff

nocturne dust
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The kinds of builds people run are very often insane, and not in a good way

quartz garnet
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Ik i got interested since I'm a new player plus i was having a build crisis since I didn't feel like i was contributing much (although my gear is kinda mediocre tbh)

ripe obsidian
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Checks the pinssssssssssssssssss for builds

nocturne dust
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Typically, you run Inferno with Brainburst. KF goes well with Inferno, and your goal is to never pull out BB as an actual weapon cuz it sucks

quartz garnet
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Problem with trying different staffs is you can't get them high power if you don't commit to a single one for a while

nocturne dust
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If your team is arse enough that they can't even deal with snipers with a bubble constantly appearing over their heads, you can take assail I guess KEKW_ogryn

deft stump
nocturne dust
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Is poor KEKW_ogryn

quartz garnet
nocturne dust
deft stump
nocturne dust
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Assail works on everything except carapace

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You don't use it on the heavy boys

deft stump
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You need a stabby stick or something for cara with it.

quartz garnet
deft stump
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The build I even gave tells you to learn melee and poke crushers with L1 H2 nonstop.

plucky flax
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Karien is your build havoc 40 ready? I am new to the game/psyker. PeepoHappy

deft stump
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You buy greys to turn green and sacrifice.

quartz garnet
deft stump
nocturne dust
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Chaos just wants to feel young again

quartz garnet
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I have melk tokens and i was wondering on what to spend them on

plucky flax
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Best is to buy curios to farm for max value

deft stump
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You wanna curio gamble. XD

plucky flax
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17% toughness / 21% hp

quartz garnet
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I saved them for curios yeah

nocturne dust
quartz garnet
ripe obsidian
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Wound, absolutely not

deft stump
royal totem
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Sometimes

nocturne dust
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Stamina is fine in moderation

royal totem
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I use melk buys to buy a high level wep when i have no mastery

deft stump
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+3 stam can be okay depending. Make sure is at least 410 power.

nocturne dust
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Wounds are cool if you want to meme as martyr Psyker KEKW_ogryn

royal totem
plucky flax
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Stamina can be subtitued by warp ghost / kinetic deflection.

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So for me it's a waste to take a whole curio.

nocturne dust
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KD is so lovely

deft stump
nocturne dust
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I'm very sad KD has a point tax now

quartz garnet
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I tried a parry build with it....

royal totem
royal totem
deft stump
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No halfassing.

quartz garnet
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Devil's claw crit chance melee dmg kinetic deflection

deft stump
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Must have deflector and block effi.

quartz garnet
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And the crit counts as dodge (i don't remember the perk name my bad)

plucky flax
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Karien you should try my vet build for havoc. I am thicc

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173 toughness 144 hp

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Still die like a wet paper without yellow toughness tho

deft stump
plucky flax
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Oooh I have chasm logistratum with rot and carnial.

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Good map to play vet.

deft stump
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Only time I manage is if our vet is so gawd awful.

quartz garnet
plucky flax
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Krak out

royal totem
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Sticky surprise!

quartz garnet
deft stump
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Horrible for pewpew.

royal totem
deft stump
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If you wanna goof.

royal totem
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besides i meme around as infiltrate zealot now

deft stump
royal totem
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I do dat magic trick where i make bosses...disappear

deft stump
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I don't do that. I just run till I can pick up pubs.

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Mortis stuff lul.

royal totem
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I clutched 5 times in one game

deft stump
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And always pray no dh.

royal totem
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But im like Karien. I cant carry

ripe obsidian
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Karien's always carryin'

plucky flax
deft stump
royal totem
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Then clutched 4 times the next game.....and still lost

plucky flax
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Better than me

plucky flax
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I failed 3 solo clutches in a row

deft stump
plucky flax
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Yesterday

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Nope. I made dom lost. SadgeCry

deft stump
royal totem
# deft stump Happens.

Nobody else shot specials so had a pile up of 2 bombers 2 flamers while i was saving teammates from a pogryn. Saving them was a mistake. They still died right away.

plucky flax
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Don't think so. We played 3 games. Won 1 lost 2 technically he ranked up 1.

royal totem
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Havoc 21

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I couldnt save my teammates reeee

plucky flax
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Player quality already super sus on 40. I can't imagine how bad it can get in 20s havoc

royal totem
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One was a twin stubber ogryn 🙁

plucky flax
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Yesterday syllo and I got a really bossy ogryn. He didn't do much then he switched to vet and did nothing too.

deft stump
royal totem
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In h40???

plucky flax
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He wanted to tell us where to fight. He died and was text chatting throughout telling us why his fight spot is the best etc.

plucky flax
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And still cry about no bubble in this season havoc.

deft stump
deft stump
plucky flax
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Bubble is fine but the ramp up is too slow

plucky flax
royal totem
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But bubbleeee

deft stump
plucky flax
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But I was talking about eu players pool

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You only play on our server for havoc.

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Once a week(?)

deft stump
royal totem
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On a serious note, that sounds like an ass ogryn

plucky flax
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Let me cook

royal totem
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I ....had to play with an ogryn earlier that RPed as an ogryn. Just kept running forward into shooters

deft stump
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I pub games there and cry when my team ignores my exe stance or pings and we get chain firebombed.

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I had ally highlights as well...

royal totem
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I dun like backseat gamers either lmao

plucky flax
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Ah well it was clutching practice anyway so all is good.

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My vet has no toughness regen if I don't have shout I am doomed.

deft stump
plucky flax
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Also the ds4 parry when crit is kinda sick. I did 4k damage crit on a crusher headshot with parry.

deft stump
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I need to hear trappers.

royal totem
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Damn. Pure skill lmao

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Karien

royal totem
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You know silo cluster map?

deft stump
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Horrible.

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Horrible.

plucky flax
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If I have a lot of buffs I can 3 shots a h40 rot crusher with ds4.

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That's op for vet

royal totem
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You know you cross a bridge then have to wait for lift and theres a spawn point there?

plucky flax
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You stay on the bridge to kill the shooters

royal totem
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We fought twins there and i had to res my teammates a total of 8 times

plucky flax
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Dom needs to draw mid event for silo

royal totem
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I counted

deft stump
deft stump
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That map I asked you to join.

plucky flax
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I don't remember when you ask me to join any map.

deft stump
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I forgot name.

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You know, event?

plucky flax
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Say. The. Name

deft stump
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Is the event with the hacks.

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I DON'T REMEMBER NAMES.

plucky flax
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Let me give you hint.

deft stump
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Your H40

plucky flax
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What's the area in front of a house? They call it a front ----

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School ----

royal totem
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Lawn

deft stump
plucky flax
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Okay fair.

royal totem
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Porch

deft stump
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Heck, area works.

plucky flax
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What's another word for parcel?

deft stump
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Box.

plucky flax
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Combine that with the first mysterious word to find out the map.

deft stump
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Box area.

plucky flax
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I only play with people with map names knowledge sorry

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It's joeover between us

hazy birch
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Best melee when you absolutely positively have to nuke crushers?

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Thinking chain axe but curious about other options

royal totem
ripe obsidian
hazy birch
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yea but it still does bonkers damage

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obscurus?

royal totem
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Yes.

hazy birch
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🤷

royal totem
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But you are vulnerable while its sawuing

royal totem
hazy birch
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ah

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isnt it shit at everything else tho?

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like chain axe is actually decent at horde clear

cosmic cobalt
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no

hazy birch
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no to which

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chain axe push attack is decent at clear

deft stump
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Obscurus has it if you know combos.

hazy birch
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alr ill give it another shot

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ive only dabbled with it and wasnt impressed. never gave it a fair shake ig

pure scaffold
royal totem
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Tell me if you need a weekly havoc clear gunslinger

hazy birch
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prob do

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would be on my psyker tho lol

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which honestly, should smash it

royal totem
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Though cant at exact moment. in pain

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Think i got some food poisoning ._.

royal totem
plucky flax
plucky flax
deft stump
royal totem
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Consignment Yard

plucky flax
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Early morning melee scab only maelstrom for the meme

royal totem
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huh didn't know you play maelstrom

plucky flax
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I don't but there's no diamantine in havoc.

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Can't do this curse 100/200 diamantine weekly for the meme

hazy birch
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i have one maxed out and it puts in work its just not fun to use

plucky flax
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It's good single target damage though and you were asking for crusher nuking

obtuse dome
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Dont listen to the glazers

icy breach
plucky flax
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Tru

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It's not like all the vets and zealots are using ds in havoc.

hazy birch
hazy birch
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like idgaf what the meta guns are, bolter and bolt pistol are by far my favorite to use. the new exaction shotgun takes next in line to them

hazy birch
plucky flax
hazy birch
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im trying to like this obscura

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i really am lol

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granted its not leveled or built well by any means. the move set just kinda sucks

upbeat kestrel
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odscurus force sword? ye its needs some adjustment

hazy birch
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adjustment?

upbeat kestrel
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if you like it it takes some adjsutment if you dont like you dont use it

hazy birch
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also, do nodes on the tree and improve cooldowns also affect the ammo regen of assail?

hazy birch
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well ill continue giving it some play. its not horrible its just not amazing feeling. the special does hit hard tho

upbeat kestrel
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the secret to using obscurus is forgetting about the special for the most part

modest merlin
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For the force greatsword, does it have any extra effect when you hit 2 charges or is it just that you can use the empowered special attack?

summer prairie
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No

upbeat kestrel
modest merlin
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Okay thanks

upbeat kestrel
hazy birch
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?

upbeat kestrel
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any blessing you want can go for tis place

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like deflector

royal totem
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........... damn i've been only playing thunder hammer these past days and.....

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i kinda like it. which feels treasonous to say

modest merlin
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On auric with specialist deployment a conga line of crushers maulers shotgunners and random tentacled dudes using smite for 15 seconds uninterrupted on them all and it chains so good 😩 😮‍💨

royal totem
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Smite is as smite does

modest merlin
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It doesnt do a ton of damage but yhe cc is sooo good especially when the team is getting overwhelmed

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Pull out the unlimited powaaaaaaaa and stunlock every enemy around you for 10s letting everyone get back up and reposition

royal totem
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Mmmm

modest merlin
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Been tweaking my psyker build for like a week since I started playing it and I think I’ve perfected it, just pure fun

royal totem
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Fun is important

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As long as you dont suck all the fun from others

modest merlin
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Don’t really think that’s my responsibility especially playing on auric and havoc where it’s moreso a fight for survival than just tricking on the enemies trying to see who can get the most kills lol

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Do you think smite is unfun for others?

royal totem
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Depends how you use it

modest merlin
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Sure, I could see how it could be frustrating for others. Maybe if you’re constantly using it on the weak chaff enemies when others are trying to melee them

royal totem
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If you sometimes just stun elites and such as a quick cc its very whatevs. If its all you really do...well...

modest merlin
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I don’t think that would be very effective as a build since it doesn’t do a ton of damage

royal totem
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Ppl do do it lul

modest merlin
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I think you should just play how its fun for you. Whatever that looks like. For what its worth my build is mainly crit with the force greatsword like a blade dancer, its a lot of fun. Mostly a melee build going for crit + weakspot hits for that massive damage

pallid stump
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Ok so

royal totem
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The issue is its a bad build and ive never won with a psyker that only smites cuz damage low etc. In auric its more whatevs but ppl trying to win in havoc. There are some good ones out there but...ive never played with them

pallid stump
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Overkill but 6 Stam kinetic something is very fun

royal totem
#

No. Can we plz not continue. But we were

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I hate reading the same convo every few days

pallid stump
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I stand on the I like smite part it's really good...if done properly but I understand it

ripe obsidian
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Smite is strong. Many smite players use it as a crutch. TL;DR.

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Use it if you like.

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Is not that important

tulip kettle
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make smite a thing you channel like BB then release

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once released it chains in the same way as now and lasts 6 seconds

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and generates like, 50 peril

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there smite fixed

ripe obsidian
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That'd work.

pallid stump
#

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I FUCKING WANT

hazy birch
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Disrupt destiny is a fickle skill

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If you're doing great or even just even with the team it puts in work but the moment anyone on the team is half competent to get kills you just can't build stacks

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You're either a raging demon or a 5th wheel. Not much an in between

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Problem is I don't really feel like any of the other perks in that line are any good for tackling that issue. Empowered psionics and warp siphon both need kills. WS needs elite/specialist kills specifically which would be harder to proc even than DDs requirement in those situations

icy breach
celest valve
#

Note that you don't actually have to get the kill, there's a good deal of leniency last I checked. Specifically in the hit stagger animation letting you get the stack anyway.

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...also I recall it does work only where you're looking. So uh. Stop looking at the person killing everything, I guess, because that means the destiny is going to be them killing everything ablobshrug

quartz barn
#

lets be honest if youre running dd and someone is clearing so fast you cant get stacks you just suck

celest valve
#

or you need to stop looking at them clearing everything and instead look someplace more useful ;p

pallid stump
#

EP brain pop builds are fun

summer prairie
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It's pretty sad how the vast majority of h40 lobbies will reject you unless you run bubble purg speficially

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The actually good lobbies don't

pallid stump
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You want to have fun? Pfft

summer prairie
#

in the previous seasons I got accepted into any lobby immediately

celest valve
#

Enemies in the game, outside of direct combat with the rejects, follow a lane system. There are three lanes that the director knows of at any single time, basically.

Main lane: This is the lane that hordes and straightforward smashy elites come from. Horde events tend to swap this lane with the other lanes at unpredictable points, but IMO identifying this lane is important. ...as specialists tend not to come from that direction, given that some specialists like the flamers would do more harm than good from that direction.

Flank lanes: These are the lanes that specialists come from, along with ranged units frequently. There are exactly two of them.

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So at any point in time, there are three directions enemies can come from that the enemy spawner recognizes. Which could likely be divided into melee, ranged, and specialists really.

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Lower difficulties are not as intense, and tend to very infrequently challenge from all three directions at once. So if you feel like a fifth wheel or something: you proooobably should go up in difficulty a little

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but mostly i'm pointing this out because if you see someone being awesome and clearing something fast: recognize what they're focusing on, and then focus on something else. cause at proper difficulties my experience is that ranged units tend to come up from one direction to fire at you from annoying angles, and then specialists just come from another direction to screw you over

deft stump
celest valve
# tulip kettle there smite fixed

ironically this is already the way smite should be used. You hold smite long enough to target everything you can see. And then you release.

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almost like there's a reason that when you release charged smite, anyone you're electrocuting goes flying away Thonk

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almost like there's an achievement for knocking people off ledges that's easiest to do with smite too because of the directional fling

deft stump
pallid stump
celest valve
#

tbh you could probably 'buff' smite simply by having exponential increase in warp cost as you channel it longer :x

deft stump
pallid stump
#

But smite is easier

pallid stump
celest valve
celest valve
pallid stump
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Yeah

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The problem is that Smykers just don't stop holding it down

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Maybe smite wouldn't be seen as bad...if that didn't happen

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It is a great lockdown tool

deft stump
hearty wolf
pallid stump
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I agree with that

hearty wolf
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And if you get hit during the channel, you get smited

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And disabled like trapper net

pallid stump
#

That I do not

hearty wolf
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And if you die during it, your character gets permanently erased

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And you get a new screen instead of "DEFEAT" you just get "CRINGE"

pallid stump
#

Peril exists for that reason

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But the problem is that people just...shriek or quell or even scrier

deft stump
#

With a visible warning when it goes to hp damage and another when it corrupts.

pallid stump
#

You cant have peril and hp drain

deft stump
hearty wolf
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Purg staff should do the same thing

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Infinite cleave with a scaling DOT that can kill anything. Very balanced

deft stump
#

Currently smite don't cause you to pop, just fizzle.

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Which is as stupid as you can think.

pallid stump
#

Does the bar decline slowly?

deft stump
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Or they pop if they overshoot the 35% peril.

pallid stump
pallid stump
deft stump
hearty wolf
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You just get a start up

deft stump
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They need to charge to cast.

hearty wolf
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1s for it to actually do anything, at which point you pay tax

deft stump
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No charge, do little.

hearty wolf
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Make it a super fast way to kill yourself

deft stump
#

If you want to cast without charge, you pay your hp to do it.

deft stump
#

Straight corruption damage that ramps up.

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So you can hold it for maybe longer, if you don't mind dying after.

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It's lethal corruption.

pallid stump
#

So, if you don't charge it you get corruption damage? And if you charge it for too long you also get corruption on top of peril?

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Did I get it right?

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I can maybe get a build where I don't use smite often...like, void strike for single target, fgs for hordes and smite only for important motives like, helping a team mate revive

junior linden
#

that's a bandaid fix at best and just punishes the player for picking a node, corruption damage is way too severe too

deft stump
junior linden
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Ah I see that you mean now

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I'm still in favor of head blow up

pallid stump
#

I still like my idea more

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50 peril charge smite shockwave that stuns in a cone for like...idk 4 secs? Or something

deft stump
pallid stump
#

Yeah

deft stump
#

The charge is to offset the stun duration.

pallid stump
#

Not the most original but I like it

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Actually....

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Keep the lmb

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Change the rmb to ghst

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Since all pysker blitz have a different effect on rmb

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Pop makes you charge slower but you Charge without "aiming"
Shards make you target longer range

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And smite would make you charge a cone and do what I said

marble crater
#

Damn, biggest hotfix ever KEKW_ogryn

solid pond
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and no hotfix until major update

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in

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december?

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interesting lol

pallid stump
#

Rn or...?

summer prairie
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The hotfix removed the "Built for CQC" string and that additional efficient dodges when wielding your ranged weapon one

plucky flax
#

For what

summer prairie
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It's a mystery

plucky flax
radiant frigate
#

who is this psyker guy

novel yoke
#

John psyker, the very first psyker

rancid jasper
#

🗣️ 🔥

wraith sphinx
#

no heretics were harmed over the course of this Havoc match

white sky
weary crane
#

WHY DO PEOPLE DECLINE REQUESTS FROM THE IDEAL PLAYERS THEY NEED

nocturne wasp
marble crater
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Because you don't know what other players have sent a request, and because the entire party finder is not great

young cliff
graceful arch
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Can't say I have much experience being declined from havoc lobbies unless I'm hovering a class already present In the party

young cliff
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Idk if it's just me but all that just feels stupid because YOU CAN CHANGE BUILDS AND CLASSES BEFORE GOING INTO THE HAVOC MISSION

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Like, what's the point of trying to filter by such metrics if all of a sudden he can change from meme build to a really good one in a blink of an eye?

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And the other way around too

weary crane
#

is the KF triggering but not doing anything at max peril a bug?

summer prairie
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yes

young cliff
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It should work independent of your peril

graceful arch
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I still filter people with low clearance when trying to do 40's like I'm sure you're good but I'd rather atleast have you have cleared 30+ this season before bringing you along.

young cliff
rich spindle
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I accept the unranked guys so they learn their lesson and stop applying to 40s

weary crane
graceful arch
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I will do it after I get my win for the week

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My current assignment ain't even 40 this season

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Just 34 haven't had time to grind

young cliff
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Don't even have the will to grind with the type of teams I get, people
H
A
T
E
To retreat

graceful arch
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If you fall back you preferably want to do so a little on the slower side to not lose too much ground

young cliff
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The hay? Why one care of losing ground if trying to keep it stupidly is why you lost the run?

graceful arch
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I see many people fall back too much on certain sections of oubliette for example and end up cornered.

nocturne wasp
#

W key addicts and main characters.
Full throttle foward at all times, eating every item in the game to stay alive and never turning around to see where teammates are until they're already down.
like they're the only person in the game.
But then Spam pings the second they touch an elevator.

graceful arch
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Falling back when you don't need to can be just as harmful as not falling back when you do.

obtuse dome
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Whenever u get the chance block em and save yourself the future trouble

graceful arch
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I don't use resources though

rich spindle
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I love darktide because positioning is an art form

obtuse dome
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Its another to go ahead and die

young cliff
obtuse dome
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With zealots it can make sense to peel off

graceful arch
graceful arch
obtuse dome
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When they get rude aswell

rich spindle
young cliff
graceful arch
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I see people over fall back and put themselves in worse situations a lot aswell

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It's an art

nocturne wasp
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Can't stand that everytime I find and hunker at a good bottleneck the 1st thing I see is the back of my squads heads

graceful arch
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Like oubliette tunnel

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Is a death trap if you pull too far too early

weary crane
nocturne wasp
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90% of damage I take is from behind me when my entire squad is right there fighting each other for kills

rich spindle
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It’s an art that you only learn by doing the wrong thing and dying

young cliff
obtuse dome
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Focus on staying alive yourself

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Especially in pubs

nocturne wasp
#

I'd rather use my hands in soccer

graceful arch
# weary crane ...

People just don't trust randoms when it comes to arbi. Arbi PTSD is real

young cliff
obtuse dome
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Usually people who sprint ahead alone make mistakes and die

weary crane
weary crane
#

why would you host a pug if you dont want randoms

graceful arch
#

Try equipping reject title

young cliff
nocturne wasp
#

Be my friend so it's not my only option since fatshark didn't think we needed the ability to solo private que

rich spindle
#

More opportunities to clutch :)

obtuse dome
#

And win

young cliff
# obtuse dome And win

I am the sole survivor (most of the times) and sadly I don't have that good clutch skills, I'm more of a team support Sitgryn

graceful arch
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I have had times where I ran ahead as a stealth zealot to deal with some gunners etc and had people follow me ending in me getting body blocked by enemies...

rich spindle
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Being the last standing is the first step to clutch skillz

graceful arch
young cliff
graceful arch
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When I have 100+ ping trappers and dogs are too inconsistent

rich spindle
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It’s an amazing rush

rich spindle
young cliff
weary crane
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What more can I do

rich spindle
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Nothing, just build up your rep

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The best players I know get rejected still

young cliff
graceful arch
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I have saved myself from dogs that have pounced me aswell

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It's inconsistent as hell.

young cliff
graceful arch
weary crane
#

Tbh I just want havoc exemplar

wooden sand
young cliff
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[insert "oh sh!7 a rat" gif here]

tulip kettle
#

99% of the time its incorrect to go backwards in havoc

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game has changed

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people dont keep up and still think its the same as 2 years ago when you could just kite backwards and slow clear everything

marble crater
#

What if you turn 180° and then walk backwards

tulip kettle
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not in every case, but most cases, if you just stand as 4 and fight you will win

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biggest loser of runs is not making enough forward progress when you are meant to, stalling out where you shouldnt just spawns more waves until you get overwhelmed

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note thats not the same as rushing

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but being reluctant to push forward/ retreating when stuff spawns is gonna be the reason runs fail a large majority of the time

graceful arch
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Pulling back to get close spawns usually is not a bad idea though

tulip kettle
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yeah precisely

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i said most cases

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though also, usually nobody will need to respawn if you just stay together and make steady forward progress, barring mechanical errors like missing a dodge on an overhead that you really shouldnt have missed

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(its me)

summer prairie
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whether you go back or not doesn't change the spawns

tulip kettle
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i mean it does and you know it does

graceful arch
summer prairie
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At most you'll get a blockade

graceful arch
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Not if they have been dead for 20 seconds and they are ready to be picked up

summer prairie
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other mechanics aren't affected

graceful arch
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But if someone dies you pulling back 30-40 meters to manipulate spawn locations could be a run saver

summer prairie
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Player spawns sure

tulip kettle
#

you can literally see it even in malice

graceful arch
#

That was what I was talking about.

summer prairie
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You can ping Kuli or someone

tulip kettle
#

if one person just runs back 40m and the other 3 dont

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they will get specials spawned on them

summer prairie
#

Yes, loner prevention is a thing but that's only specials

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but if the whole team moves, no

tulip kettle
#

okay so like i said...

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and idk how many times i have seen an area be cleared, say before the drop down after the first event on mercantile

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and nobody wants to drop down

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another horde spawns

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and youre there for another 4 minutes clearing it

graceful arch
#

Punishment waves are a thing

tulip kettle
#

they are indeed

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its the difference between a 35 minute clear and a 55 minute clear on ascension riser

summer prairie
#

If you play slowly you end up clearing more waves sure

tulip kettle
#

actually moving forward when you are supposed to instead of stalling and being forced to fight more waves

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that one guy slow clearing the 10 poxwalkers from the back instead of moving forward

summer prairie
#

It's better to leave some trash behind, not sure how exactly it works but it might not spawn the next wave until those enemies are dead/despawn

tulip kettle
#

it is indeed

summer prairie
#

that's kind of gaming the system though

graceful arch
tulip kettle
#

if the team isnt moving forward in front of them then i dont blame them.

summer prairie
#

I don't know what kind of teams you get in the party finder but even very good teams have to pull back all the time and wipe

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not pulling back is usually way worse

tulip kettle
#

this is where we disagree.

graceful arch
#

No I had a flame staff psyker in auric maelstrom when I was newer to the game and I had to run back to babysit them constantly.

tulip kettle
#

if you just stand as 4 99% of the time you will be fine

summer prairie
#

on some maps you can kite horizontally/loop around but not a common option

tulip kettle
#

the one guy bottling it and running back is what causes the problems

graceful arch
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You want to pull back to a chokepoint to funnel enemies and while pulling back you want to be constantly killing.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

lunar coral
#

is pysker a good class

tulip kettle
#

no it sucks

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needs buffs

graceful arch
#

Ll

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Lol

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Dom trying to get obese fish to buff psyker even more

tulip kettle
#

for real though, armour wave comes from the front. stand as 4 and fight it, it dies in 10 seconds flat and you move forward

rich spindle
#

Noob class for scrubs unable to melee

graceful arch
#

Unless you have dumb teamates who turn tail and you get overrun by an armor wall that you don't even have the aggro for.

tulip kettle
#

one guy backs off, the other 3 cant clear it fast enough, more spawns, and more spawns, someone downs and its cascade fail from there

graceful arch
summer prairie
#

I guess you've to have a top 0.1% team to do that, doesn't happen with my teams

tulip kettle
#

i mean i guess it depends if all 4 players are willing to stand and fight

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or if someone on the team's first instinct is to go backwards instead of stand.

graceful arch
#

If the guy with the aggro runs you have to run aswell

hearty wolf
#

I need a German

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@marble crater you're German right

graceful arch
#

Bad taunt ogryns are more deadly then the enemies some times

lunar coral
#

is psyker good or bad tho should i use it

tulip kettle
#

terrible dude

lunar coral
#

bro

tulip kettle
#

you shouldnt play it

graceful arch
hearty wolf
#

Psyker is broken

lunar coral
#

why

hearty wolf
#

Completely dog shit

lunar coral
#

ok

hearty wolf
#

No survivability or damage

lunar coral
#

how do i use pyskerw

hearty wolf
#

Not smite

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Any way is correct

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Just not that thing

lunar coral
#

so

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is it good

graceful arch
tulip kettle
#

but for real what are you asking

lunar coral
#

what is it’s pros and cons

tulip kettle
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pros - most damage output in most situations of all classes

hearty wolf
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Pros - everything dies, cons - you die

lunar coral
#

i heard it’s insane

graceful arch
lunar coral
#

ok

tulip kettle
#

cons - comparable lack of specialised output

lunar coral
#

so

hearty wolf
#

But

lunar coral
#

imma try it when i get on

hearty wolf
#

You should only use psyker in high density

lunar coral
#

what’s that

hearty wolf
#

Lots of mobs

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If you do it in like heresy

lunar coral
#

can it get rid of bosses?

tulip kettle
#

so like, you do the most damage in general situations, but against specific situations other classes will do better

hearty wolf
#

It's kinda shit at bosses

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But like

tulip kettle
#

bosses are a good example

hearty wolf
#

What difficulty do you play

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That changes a lot

lunar coral
#

malice and heresy but soon idk

graceful arch
hearty wolf
#

O

tulip kettle
#

its not great at bossing compared to other classes that can specialise into deleting bosses

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but its still pretty fine

hearty wolf
#

Psyker is crap in malice and heresy but it's a good way to learn

lunar coral
#

ok

tulip kettle
#

in low difficulty psyker is just whatever

lunar coral
#

i will try

tulip kettle
#

but honestly, if you arent playing the hardest content, just learn to play the game more

hearty wolf
#

^

lunar coral
#

ok

hearty wolf
#

And buy robox

tulip kettle
#

psyker feels very underwhelming in lower difficulties and at lower levels

graceful arch
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Also you will die a lot if you don't have dodge timings down

lunar coral
#

what’s the fastest way to get it max lvl

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and what’s a funny name for psyker

tulip kettle
#

it only feels really good in high difficulty at max lvl with maxed weapons and a strong understanding of how to play it

graceful arch
graceful arch
tulip kettle
#

yup, for low level psyker, just use the blitz called assail, and a sword and a gun you like.

hearty wolf
#

Levelling psyker 😭

tulip kettle
#

learn how to melee and not get caught by specials

hearty wolf
#

Pay someone to do it

tulip kettle
#

other stuff comes later

hearty wolf
#

I'll do it for a cheese and onion pasty

tulip kettle
#

peak pasty choice

lunar coral
#

alr bet

hearty wolf
#

I STILL NEED A GERMAN

lunar coral
#

wanna pm so when i’m on u can help me

marble crater
hearty wolf
#

Cool

hearty wolf
# marble crater Yes

Can I DM you to translate something? It's work related so I'm not allowed to use AI since it would put it into the pool or whatever etc/ banned by company policy

tulip kettle
#

cant use translation tool

summer prairie
#

How do they expect you to do this

marble crater
#

If it's not a lot KEKW_ogryn

tulip kettle
#

can use random from the internet

hearty wolf
#

It's like 2 lines

hearty wolf
marble crater
#

AI detection makes no sense anyway, the models learned how to write from humans, so obviously things will get flagged, because they learned how to write from us

tulip kettle
#

just use a non ai translation tool? babelfish has existed for like 20 years

marble crater
#

Unless it's very specific language because of the job I can manage 2 lines KEKW_ogryn

hearty wolf
#

But Sut translation tool is best

tulip kettle
#

$10 per line.

pale prairie
#

Wait 10 euros? Thats pricey

tulip kettle
#

its called "convenience" pricing

young cliff
# tulip kettle biggest loser of runs is not making enough forward progress when you are meant t...

In my experience biggest game loser is people thinking that standing in the open to fight is a good idea as the monstrosity ambush is committing from behind, there has been a pattern of games where If the team falls back, which is not retreating 100meters but just enough to intercept the ambush and force the rest of the enemies on a single choke point, they will pull FAR above and beyond what a team trying to hold a point to advance and suddenly oops! That's 3...no 5 bosses on your face

That being said, you do seems knowledgeable about the spawn rate both on time and distance, you have numbers? Would want to get metrics on how to move because it's not so clear to know when it's the ideal time to push forward aggressively

tulip kettle
#

just move forward when there is nothing in front of you

#

its really that simple

young cliff
#

we crossed 2 boss spawn thresholds

tulip kettle
#

?

#

you hit 2 boss triggers with no enemies spawning in between?

young cliff
#

It actually happened in a game, moving forward when a boss is coming and it spawned twin and weakened ones

tulip kettle
#

yeah that happens there is still rng

young cliff
#

Not happen that often when team stops when one is triggered

tulip kettle
#

earlier we had twins and 2 cspawn before dropping into the first cypher room on mercantile

young cliff
#

Weakened ones do spawn as part of ambush waves

marble crater
tulip kettle
#

depends on the size of the bump and the quality of the flake

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i mean, errr

young cliff
#

Drug use? In my crackhead discord? I would never

#

(all rejects injecting stims at the same time)

tulip kettle
#

going back slightly, if you hit a boss spawn trigger, it spawned but didnt make it to you yet, and you pushed forward anyway to the next trigger

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then yes i would expect you to get twins'd or bonus monstered or whatever

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or blockaded, or something

graceful arch
#

Sometimes boss triggers will bug out and will take like 3-4 minutes to appear. Bugtide.

tulip kettle
#

and now youre fighting too much stuff and get fucked

ripe obsidian
#

Some triggers can be painfully close together

summer prairie
#

twins share the dh ritual triggers so they don't really care about regular boss triggers

ripe obsidian
#

Opening of Mercantile the other day, I had 3 full-health bosses and twins before the hacking "mid" event

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All at once, I mean

tulip kettle
#

i think in havoc you can get non weakened bosses outside of the regular boss triggers

graceful arch
#

Mercantile is infamously broken as a map

tulip kettle
#

i see regular burgles and spawns as part of punishment spawns fairly regularly

young cliff
#

Burgles have made me appreciate more the zealot boss nukers

#

Annoying big terrain hazards

graceful arch
#

Burgles make me miss having psyker bubble on the team

tulip kettle
#

i will also say, the easiest comfiest runs are the runs where everybody just stays in coherency the whole time and makes steady forward progress without stalling, and lets the inferno psyker clear the back as you move forward

young cliff
hearty wolf
royal totem
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Gimne psyker bubble or i no play with you reeee

hearty wolf
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Stop running shriek and being a griefer

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Submit to the bubble wash

tulip kettle
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still not enough to make me start running bubble again

hearty wolf
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Ways

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Trolling

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Actual. Trolling.

summer prairie
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Stop running purg in general

graceful arch
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I am also a shriek player

hearty wolf
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Soulblaze is a crutch

young cliff
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Wall shield is the superior shape

royal totem
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I only play with purg cuz i nooby

hearty wolf
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All it tells me is that you can't deal with enemies yourself, you've got to hide behind a twig

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The only real class is Veteran

tulip kettle
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if i dont play with inferno then the game takes forever

hearty wolf
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Lock in

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100% win rate

tulip kettle
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i dont mind if someone else plays it, but somebody needs to play it.

ripe obsidian
tulip kettle
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and i like when its me that plays it because i know how to damagemaxx on it

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meanwhile trying to play surge surge and being bad at aiming just means i do less

royal totem
hearty wolf
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But you don't do any damage if you die 😭

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Edps

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More like EDps

graceful arch
tulip kettle
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its also very frustrating not being the inferno player and watching the inferno player refusing to stack uncanny and be useless against crusher blobs

ripe obsidian
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It's more frustrating being the inferno psyker and having to be the one to kill crusher blobs.

tulip kettle
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i dont mind it

hearty wolf
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The answer is to run smite

tulip kettle
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i know without a krak vet i have by far the best dps vs them

young cliff
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Honestly, fire psykers need to remember that they can stop tossing fire and pull their sword because meleeker is not a build but a constant of the universe

hearty wolf
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Instead of padding your own damage, give your teammates a chance

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Stop being selfish

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Ep Smite

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Bubble

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And crit aura

graceful arch
graceful arch
hearty wolf
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And bring recon last gun for stalkers

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: 👍

tulip kettle
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i actually love giving the armour blobs a nice inferno blast then shrieking them up to 20 or so

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then pulling uncanny FS and pushing the ones that start overhead animation

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keep my frontliner safe as they bonk em while also actually being the guy that kills them all

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meanwhile other inferno psykers

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shoot inferno into crusher blob

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dodge backwards 3 times

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wait a million years doing 40 damage ticks

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"im last alive guys you all suck"

young cliff
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In my defense, I inferno lmb so my Brain burst barrage deals more damage

graceful arch
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Prestack flame swap to melee get like 2-3 uncanny stacks go back to flaming

tulip kettle
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no point in flaming

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it does nothing

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they are already over 16 stacks

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you just lose uncanny bonuses

young cliff
wind wind
tulip kettle
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and dont keep team safe with FS push

marble crater
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I just tapped into discord and read "no point in flaming, it does nothing" and wondered if that was really Dom, then I saw he wasn't talking about flaming people and it made sense again

ripe obsidian
# tulip kettle then pulling uncanny FS and pushing the ones that start overhead animation

I mean, sure, it's satisfying to bully crushers. But if there are other enemies in the horde, it can be an overall loss to DPS if the elites aren't dying at a rate to stack Soulblaze on the new enemies filling in the gaps. And if I am the one killing Crushers, I feel mildly frustrated that my team isn't doing much. Like, when I end a match with the most damage/kills on every enemy type, including bosses, when I have a hammer zealot and a branx Ogryn, I wonder what went wrong.

tulip kettle
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what went wrong is that they were pussies

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who were too busy hitting the poxwalkers behind you

young cliff
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Branx ogryn not bullying crushers sounds wrong ngl

sturdy reef
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Borovian is better

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Imo

ripe obsidian
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I have numerous loss scoreboards like that

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Also one win where the Zealot did like 500k damage in a 40 minute game, but was easily the most important player.

graceful arch
graceful arch
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Atleast on the old book zealot who had like no down time if all they did was CRIT backstabs

royal totem
tulip kettle
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another loss

ripe obsidian
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Book with all the revive nodes/curios

tulip kettle
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spot the literally useless zealot

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and the krak vet

ripe obsidian
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With maxed out revive speed, you can get someone up with the stagger from one pulse of book

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It's actually impressive

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Honestly tempted to run revive speed on non-Psyker classes.

tulip kettle
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14 specials killed. F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N

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why are yu even here bruh

sturdy reef
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I run assist speed on my zealot

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So good

hollow halo
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Unless you run solo with bots always gonna have a few uses out of it per mission, teammates will love you

sturdy reef
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Ya I swapped 2 of my cdr curio modifiers for assist speed

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Much better

graceful arch
tulip kettle
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nah he was DS plasma kraks, it was rot armour

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but he is plasmaing all the specials

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because zealot doing nothing