#psyker-class
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fgs is franks red hot
honestly tho i been trying to give dueling sword a fair shake and its not bad

idk if thats going to replace the fgs for me but i can stomach it at least
of course DS isn't bad
yeah "not bad" is one way to describe DS 
Dueling Sword being labeled as not bad is hilarious
I know dueling sword is good but I maxed it playing vet and I kinda don’t want to use it again
for the longest time i couldnt feel any damage out of it and im still not a fan of its move set
It’s also kinda mid for horde clear
yeah that's like the one thing that's not op or great about DS
yea and im typically looking to my melee for horde clear
it's not even mid for horde clear
compared to the FGS its pretty shit for horde clear
tbf you don't need to on psyker
but keep in mind with aoe staves,, you are not looking for horde clear melee
lots of other better sweepers than the dueling sword
psyker has a lot of other horde clear sources
yea which is why i been trying it
typically i run a big gun for my ranged slot and look to something like the 2h chain sword or something for actual clear
i like melee with good sweeping attacks. a year ago i mostly used the chain axe. push attack was good for hordes and still had good single target with a revved heavy
You are looking at barrels and teammate vicinity to barrels
yes
always fun sploding a barrel next to a teammate and watching em launch into orbit
seriously tho there are way too many explosive canisters in this game
literal bombs in every room
even better, getting revenge on a teammate that barrels you by blowing up the poxburster they're preparing to push away
i shoot bursters. no chance of that 
i forget which map it is but the first area you come across is outside with nothing on the left but sky. someone is getting yeeted off the building every match. its guaranteed.
Gloriana
barrel, burster, the fucking plague ogryn thats guaranteed to spawn there, whatever. something is yeeting at least one person
Murphy's law
i know every pve game is actively trying to kill you at all times but darktide takes it to 11
gloriana
inferno modifier gloriana
that is scary
just never use VB or purg in that section unless pre boom
yea thats the one
Fair enough
at least you tried
The most enjoyable was to play the caster class is a melee build ig
EK LMB spam can take the place of a gun for right side builds.
There is a niche way to build trauma that basically is rarely used and supports your melee.
Topple things over to setup melee or when things are spicy and you need some CC.
inferno excluded, is there even a difference in the lmb attack for staves?
sadly no
LMB attacks on non-inferno staves are the same, but EK is the only staff with a crit bonus stat.
didnt think so but figured maybe they had diff damage or properties or something
I think bolt pistol will still suit me better since I take the node that converts some damage taken into peril and if I tried to use the staff at max peril I’d explode
for me i need to be using staves. if i want to use guns i got other classes. i play psyker to do psyker shit lol
If I happen to be at max peril after using scries and need to quickly delete a ranged enemy, bolt pistol is safer
I play psyker for the moonlight greatsword
like not having a FGS already feels dirty
i remember when it was still called the large sword of moonlight, and didnt do fancy shit
EK SG WU build usually have 100% "i won't explode when I cast" uptime. I think it's a little less so since PA nerf if you aren't killing specials and elites aggressively.
this is how i felt for so long
and then i picked up vraks
and i started playing vet 2.0
and im loving it
i dont even like vet 1.0
Idk sometimes in the heat of the moment I’ll forget that my peril is high and try to use assail or the sword wave and die lol
I like vet cuz funny shovel and plasma is one of 3 guns in the game I enjoy
(to me)
i would like to try the plasma gun
its good
its just the rest of his kit is kinda vanilla. abilities and whatnot
i mean yeah that is a fair feeling to have but i do think it's part of the appeal to vet
gun and grenade man that also melees i guess
I'm talking about a specific build. Not peril edging in general.
i dont think arbiter is gun man
Arbiter seems more like mace man
he's alot more focused in on what he does
Not by comparison in the same ways but arbites guns aren't anything to slouch at.
Though arb does have that cool shotgun
that's ok yea, they work out well on arbitrator thankfully
I’m bolt man half the time on vet
100%, i just think arbitrator goes about it differently than vet does is all
mag dumping a bolt gun into big things is a feel good moment
i guess vet has more ways to stim his gunplay than arbitrator does
but i have a dog
It's not what I'd say is tapping into the same depths but arbites just passively does enough to make other weapons that are already good great on the class or just solid in general.
So it just existing with builds on most days isn't going to be a wash.
You kinda gotta work to make arbites struggle with weapons.
yup
@strong gulch are you playing tonight?
Not right now. I hope to later, but it's not looking like I'll be able to.
I am feeling unwell.
I hope so. Every day is a gamble tbh. I'm disabled and chronically ill, so I can't really predict how I'll feel in a couple hours.
@hazy birch if you haven't, check the havoc terminal and pick up the weekly rewards
Lol how is that going?
will do
clutched once, but i died cuz team ran in 4 directions
and then i clutched 4 more times after being ressed
Ouch
Average randoms
venting melee psyker build... with anti armor staff.... hmmmm much fun i like
my hatred for obscurus does not have an end to it
peak btw
i just dont get the buzz aorund obscurus and it's kinda frustrating
hear its really good
use it
like, decent single target and i think the worst horde clear of any other psyker melee i've used
and the worst part is that it also hurts my fingers to use i dont get it
Obscurus is a combo weapon. If you don't like or can't use fiddly weapons, then def avoid it.
Both it's single and aoe are a mix of lights and heavies.
that isnt the issue
But I do agree, at least the way I play, that obscurus doesn't have enough horde clear on it's own.
My partner does well with it. Ainz also does well.
I swear they got different kinds of hands and brains than me. lmao
I would need assail and idk if that's enough to get enough horde clear for my needs.
i feel like a god when i clutch so many times lmao. even though i'm actually bad
even assail hasn't proven to be enough with it for me
I’m so sorry
hmmmm...illisi huh
illisi is alot better than people make it out to be
every weapon should be a combo weapon
no
no
yes
unless you mean light spam or heavy spam is a combo
and that single taps are never a thing
Some weapons should be easy to use because not everyone nolifes this game
Ideally every weapon would have an “easy” and “complex” variant
the unwashed masses must develop mechanical skill or suffer my wrath
You shouldn’t get best in class performance from an easy to use weapon
Mastery should bring benefits after all
i like to pretend to know combos but when shit hits the fan forget it all and just tap lights over and over
Couldn't be me
I’ve mastered a couple weapon marks but most of them not so much 😂
Mk6 and mk8 fgs, oscurus. That’s it 😂
@strong gulch will you still play with me if i start only playing infiltrate zealot lmao
"Mastered" as in learned how to use them, or Mastered as in filled up their XP bar
i honestly dont bother with most weapons that have al ight heavy horde combo
I know all the different combos by feel
It's about accessibility. If you don't want disabled people to play, then that's quite a take.
If you mean more to what oddball was saying, to where there should easy and a complex way to use a weapon then I am down for that. The easy way should still be effective tho (not as strong as the complex way).
The XP bar I paid to fill in like 5m 😂
yeah
nice!
i always find myself returning to illisi
I didn’t think of that angle but yeah, that’s valid too. Ultimately everyone enjoys the game in their own way and it’s fine to include those different styles
Thank god for rotted stims, people have finally stopped begging for bubble
but oddballllllllllllll
i want bubble 🙁
goes infiltrate and runs out of it right away
my kin
whats the best blessing to put on the regular force sword? I'm gonna run deflector while leveling but also curious about later
uncanny strike + deflector is fine. I use uncanny + superiority
the more i play with deflector the more i think it just isn't that useful tbh
the block cost reduction is nice though
it's the best weapon in the game
cuz of the stagger on primary right?
the damage come from warpfire tick
you only use primary to stagger and suppression
use m2 for damage
hmmm okay i’ll do more testing and observe
This is an objectively false statement
It is the highest damage weapon in the game
By far
how much can you stack with soul blaze?
isn't it like 32 or something? i think with staff it's only 16 though.
to be exact 15 is the "normal" cap
but with crit proc you can get to 16
in practice it 16
huh didn't realize it works like that but alright ty for that breakdown 😮
31
does anyone mind hopping onto voice and watch me stream rq
15-16 with staff, up to 31 with PC or shriek
yeah I feel like it's nice to have for those moments where a reaper just appears next to me but even in those situations I still panic and then run out of stamina
Hah, I didn't realize the random force sword I'm using while leveling a new character has the stat spread of 76/76/76/76/76. Kinda makes me want to upgrade it even though its not optimal
it's funnyu though
it's fine
keep it
I might just so I can have a high power level weapon earlier instead of waiting for a better one
it also really rare
Dump warp res on the force swords.
yeah I know
Universal cap of 31, but only perilous combustion and creeping flames can reach that cap. Every other source has a lower cap that differs. Inferno is 15, but can reach 16 on a crit at 14 stacks because it applies 2 stacks on a crit, but notably 16 decays to 15.
mmm got it. i was in the correct balpark though xD
Well, its single target is not crazy 
and technically, its direct damage is pretty weak
Isn't brain burst used for single target (if you're not running bubble ofc then idk)
- Brainburst doesn't conflict with bubble, one is blitz and the other is ability
Ik but generally i see brain burst used mostly with shriek or scrier
- Brainburst is awful and Inferno easily beats it even on single target (notice I said Inferno isn't crazy, it's still fairly decent single target for an AoE murder machine)
I can't get my head around scrier and burst combo tho
What do people use with bubble?
Smite bubble is good
Sometimes electric staff
- I recommend paying zero attention to public builds

The kinds of builds people run are very often insane, and not in a good way
Ik i got interested since I'm a new player plus i was having a build crisis since I didn't feel like i was contributing much (although my gear is kinda mediocre tbh)
Checks the pinssssssssssssssssss for builds
Typically, you run Inferno with Brainburst. KF goes well with Inferno, and your goal is to never pull out BB as an actual weapon cuz it sucks
Problem with trying different staffs is you can't get them high power if you don't commit to a single one for a while
If your team is arse enough that they can't even deal with snipers with a bubble constantly appearing over their heads, you can take assail I guess 
Or wave dockets at them if you just wanna speed it up.
Newer player
Is poor 
I tried assail scrier but armor just demolishes it
Well, yeah
Well, waste event dockets on it.
You need a stabby stick or something for cara with it.
You're right, but from what i know stat rolls on the armory are generally better to get all 80% and one 60%
The build I even gave tells you to learn melee and poke crushers with L1 H2 nonstop.
I mean docket mastery.
Karien is your build havoc 40 ready? I am new to the game/psyker. 
You buy greys to turn green and sacrifice.
Understood
CHAOS FFS. YOU CARRY PPL REEEEEEEEEEEE.
Chaos just wants to feel young again
I have melk tokens and i was wondering on what to spend them on
Do not waste.
Best is to buy curios to farm for max value
You wanna curio gamble. XD
17% toughness / 21% hp
I saved them for curios yeah
Typically I only use them for curio gambling
? Aren't stamina and wound viable as well?
Wound, absolutely not
Wounds are garbo unless martyrdom zel.
Sometimes
Stamina is fine in moderation
I use melk buys to buy a high level wep when i have no mastery
+3 stam can be okay depending. Make sure is at least 410 power.
But mah +9 stam arb
No I don't use it maybe some do idk
Stamina can be subtitued by warp ghost / kinetic deflection.
So for me it's a waste to take a whole curio.
KD is so lovely
But my psyker with KD, WG and +9 stam.
I'm very sad KD has a point tax now
I tried a parry build with it....
Lmaoooo
Wats a parry build?
Devil's claw crit chance melee dmg kinetic deflection
Must have deflector and block effi.
And the crit counts as dodge (i don't remember the perk name my bad)
Karien you should try my vet build for havoc. I am thicc
173 toughness 144 hp
Still die like a wet paper without yellow toughness tho
I don't even wanna go near vet in havoc. You know I can barely aim with EO guiding me.
Only time I manage is if our vet is so gawd awful.
You can go with torrent lasgun crit build and be fine
Krak out
ROT.
Sticky surprise!
What did i do?
Arb cant got more in than +9 stam
besides i meme around as infiltrate zealot now
Sounds like what I'm doing.
I do dat magic trick where i make bosses...disappear
I clutched 5 times in one game
And always pray no dh.
But im like Karien. I cant carry
Karien's always carryin'
She carries wtf
No, can't carry.
Then clutched 4 times the next game.....and still lost
Better than me
Happens.
I failed 3 solo clutches in a row
You carry all game.
Did he drop back?
Nobody else shot specials so had a pile up of 2 bombers 2 flamers while i was saving teammates from a pogryn. Saving them was a mistake. They still died right away.
Don't think so. We played 3 games. Won 1 lost 2 technically he ranked up 1.
Ah.
Sounds like event.
Player quality already super sus on 40. I can't imagine how bad it can get in 20s havoc
One was a twin stubber ogryn 🙁
Yesterday syllo and I got a really bossy ogryn. He didn't do much then he switched to vet and did nothing too.
Wut?
I mean, you know I'm sus quality.
In h40???
He wanted to tell us where to fight. He died and was text chatting throughout telling us why his fight spot is the best etc.
Sure. EU players suck pretty bad.
And still cry about no bubble in this season havoc.
Bubble won't save from 10+ overheads though.
You know I'm bad.
Bubble is fine but the ramp up is too slow
You're not from europe so you don't count for us.
But bubbleeee
Does it matter? Bad is bad. 
But I was talking about eu players pool
You only play on our server for havoc.
Once a week(?)
ACTUALLY...
On a serious note, that sounds like an ass ogryn
Hmm I think I was being mean too. But I just don't like backseat gamer.
Let me cook
I ....had to play with an ogryn earlier that RPed as an ogryn. Just kept running forward into shooters
I pub games there and cry when my team ignores my exe stance or pings and we get chain firebombed.
I had ally highlights as well...
I dun like backseat gamers either lmao
Ah well it was clutching practice anyway so all is good.
My vet has no toughness regen if I don't have shout I am doomed.
If I'm last alive, just shut up already is what I wanna say.
Also the ds4 parry when crit is kinda sick. I did 4k damage crit on a crusher headshot with parry.
I need to hear trappers.
That's funni.
You know silo cluster map?
If I have a lot of buffs I can 3 shots a h40 rot crusher with ds4.
That's op for vet
You know you cross a bridge then have to wait for lift and theres a spawn point there?
You hide there while waiting.
You stay on the bridge to kill the shooters
We fought twins there and i had to res my teammates a total of 8 times
Dom needs to draw mid event for silo
I counted
Dom arts?
That map I asked you to join.
Say. The. Name
Let me give you hint.
Your H40
Lawn

Okay fair.
Porch
Heck, area works.
What's another word for parcel?
Box.
Combine that with the first mysterious word to find out the map.
Box area.
Best melee when you absolutely positively have to nuke crushers?
Thinking chain axe but curious about other options
Hrmph.
Chaxe takes a while as its sawing iirc.
on psyker? Probably Obscurus
Yes.
🤷
But you are vulnerable while its sawuing
Force sword
ah
isnt it shit at everything else tho?
like chain axe is actually decent at horde clear
no
Obscurus has it if you know combos.
alr ill give it another shot
ive only dabbled with it and wasnt impressed. never gave it a fair shake ig
Oh that’s the train station hacking event
Tell me if you need a weekly havoc clear gunslinger
Perfect. I can bring infiltrate zealot
bruh
Personally I'd use fgs6 or ds4.
I think nobody can name it, too hard.
Consignment Yard
Early morning melee scab only maelstrom for the meme
huh didn't know you play maelstrom
I don't but there's no diamantine in havoc.
Can't do this curse 100/200 diamantine weekly for the meme
Not a huge fan of dueling sword
i have one maxed out and it puts in work its just not fun to use
It's good single target damage though and you were asking for crusher nuking
Duelling sword is very overrated
Dont listen to the glazers
It is but its CC is better due to that push 
Ppl underestimate it
yea its just overall good at dealing with the big groups. i used to main it back when i played the first time
im sure its reputation is earned i just dont like it. i dont think its horde clear is all that great and im just not a fan of the style. id rather be sub optimal and love my weapon.
like idgaf what the meta guns are, bolter and bolt pistol are by far my favorite to use. the new exaction shotgun takes next in line to them
i am, but single target in general. crushers are just super common compared to bosses or other big threats. crushers and other large mofos. thats what i need a weapon to handle.

im trying to like this obscura
i really am lol
granted its not leveled or built well by any means. the move set just kinda sucks
odscurus force sword? ye its needs some adjustment
adjustment?
if you like it it takes some adjsutment if you dont like you dont use it
also, do nodes on the tree and improve cooldowns also affect the ammo regen of assail?
ah i see
well ill continue giving it some play. its not horrible its just not amazing feeling. the special does hit hard tho
the secret to using obscurus is forgetting about the special for the most part
For the force greatsword, does it have any extra effect when you hit 2 charges or is it just that you can use the empowered special attack?
No
it makes the special strogner for each segment
Okay thanks
also a thing the slaughterer is flexible in my experience
?
........... damn i've been only playing thunder hammer these past days and.....
i kinda like it. which feels treasonous to say
On auric with specialist deployment a conga line of crushers maulers shotgunners and random tentacled dudes using smite for 15 seconds uninterrupted on them all and it chains so good 😩 😮💨
Smite is as smite does
It doesnt do a ton of damage but yhe cc is sooo good especially when the team is getting overwhelmed
Pull out the unlimited powaaaaaaaa and stunlock every enemy around you for 10s letting everyone get back up and reposition
Mmmm
Been tweaking my psyker build for like a week since I started playing it and I think I’ve perfected it, just pure fun
Don’t really think that’s my responsibility especially playing on auric and havoc where it’s moreso a fight for survival than just tricking on the enemies trying to see who can get the most kills lol
Do you think smite is unfun for others?
Depends how you use it
Sure, I could see how it could be frustrating for others. Maybe if you’re constantly using it on the weak chaff enemies when others are trying to melee them
If you sometimes just stun elites and such as a quick cc its very whatevs. If its all you really do...well...
I don’t think that would be very effective as a build since it doesn’t do a ton of damage
Ppl do do it lul
I think you should just play how its fun for you. Whatever that looks like. For what its worth my build is mainly crit with the force greatsword like a blade dancer, its a lot of fun. Mostly a melee build going for crit + weakspot hits for that massive damage
Ok so
The issue is its a bad build and ive never won with a psyker that only smites cuz damage low etc. In auric its more whatevs but ppl trying to win in havoc. There are some good ones out there but...ive never played with them
Overkill but 6 Stam kinetic something is very fun
Oh we talking smite?
No. Can we plz not continue. But we were
I hate reading the same convo every few days
I stand on the I like smite part it's really good...if done properly but I understand it
Smite is strong. Many smite players use it as a crutch. TL;DR.
Use it if you like.
Is not that important
make smite a thing you channel like BB then release
once released it chains in the same way as now and lasts 6 seconds
and generates like, 50 peril
there smite fixed
That'd work.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I FUCKING WANT
Disrupt destiny is a fickle skill
If you're doing great or even just even with the team it puts in work but the moment anyone on the team is half competent to get kills you just can't build stacks
You're either a raging demon or a 5th wheel. Not much an in between
Problem is I don't really feel like any of the other perks in that line are any good for tackling that issue. Empowered psionics and warp siphon both need kills. WS needs elite/specialist kills specifically which would be harder to proc even than DDs requirement in those situations
More like nerfed to the ground 
Note that you don't actually have to get the kill, there's a good deal of leniency last I checked. Specifically in the hit stagger animation letting you get the stack anyway.
...also I recall it does work only where you're looking. So uh. Stop looking at the person killing everything, I guess, because that means the destiny is going to be them killing everything 
lets be honest if youre running dd and someone is clearing so fast you cant get stacks you just suck
or you need to stop looking at them clearing everything and instead look someplace more useful ;p
EP brain pop builds are fun
It's pretty sad how the vast majority of h40 lobbies will reject you unless you run bubble purg speficially
The actually good lobbies don't
You want to have fun? Pfft
in the previous seasons I got accepted into any lobby immediately
Enemies in the game, outside of direct combat with the rejects, follow a lane system. There are three lanes that the director knows of at any single time, basically.
Main lane: This is the lane that hordes and straightforward smashy elites come from. Horde events tend to swap this lane with the other lanes at unpredictable points, but IMO identifying this lane is important. ...as specialists tend not to come from that direction, given that some specialists like the flamers would do more harm than good from that direction.
Flank lanes: These are the lanes that specialists come from, along with ranged units frequently. There are exactly two of them.
So at any point in time, there are three directions enemies can come from that the enemy spawner recognizes. Which could likely be divided into melee, ranged, and specialists really.
Lower difficulties are not as intense, and tend to very infrequently challenge from all three directions at once. So if you feel like a fifth wheel or something: you proooobably should go up in difficulty a little
but mostly i'm pointing this out because if you see someone being awesome and clearing something fast: recognize what they're focusing on, and then focus on something else. cause at proper difficulties my experience is that ranged units tend to come up from one direction to fire at you from annoying angles, and then specialists just come from another direction to screw you over
More, Hold to charge, longer charge, longer duration. Base cost is 20% scaling to length charge peril. Must be channeled for at least 1 sec to hold.
ironically this is already the way smite should be used. You hold smite long enough to target everything you can see. And then you release.
almost like there's a reason that when you release charged smite, anyone you're electrocuting goes flying away 
almost like there's an achievement for knocking people off ledges that's easiest to do with smite too because of the directional fling
Funny when you are supposed to do it via shout and push.
Lol
Problem is that people...don't release it...
tbh you could probably 'buff' smite simply by having exponential increase in warp cost as you channel it longer :x
Is truth, you know.
Or just ....release a warp lighting shockwave that stuns and doesn't allow you to hold it down
i mean you still want to like hold it down for the THEME and also because it's sorta important balancing wise that you need to hold it to target everything you want to
Yeah
The problem is that Smykers just don't stop holding it down
Maybe smite wouldn't be seen as bad...if that didn't happen
It is a great lockdown tool
Just make it cast from hp after a point.
Direct corruption damage >;(
I agree with that
That I do not
And if you die during it, your character gets permanently erased
And you get a new screen instead of "DEFEAT" you just get "CRINGE"
Well....that would not make much sense actually
Peril exists for that reason
But the problem is that people just...shriek or quell or even scrier
I would have it be hp damage first, then creeping corruption damage.
With a visible warning when it goes to hp damage and another when it corrupts.
Well...how would that work tho.? Would you get rid of peril?
You cant have peril and hp drain
If I get to fully rework it? 35% peril instantly to start, holding increases peril rapidly to charge a bar, bar determines how long it'll last on actual release, holding over the stored duration causes straight corruption damage.
Says who
Purg staff should do the same thing
Infinite cleave with a scaling DOT that can kill anything. Very balanced
You can, it's punishment for going over.
Currently smite don't cause you to pop, just fizzle.
Which is as stupid as you can think.
What if they just...quell for 1 sec?
Does the bar decline slowly?
The duration will be less than a sec unless they pay life.
Or they pop if they overshoot the 35% peril.
Bit confused by this
This too
Corruption
You just get a start up
They need to charge to cast.
1s for it to actually do anything, at which point you pay tax
No charge, do little.
Make it a super fast way to kill yourself
If you want to cast without charge, you pay your hp to do it.
Straight corruption damage that ramps up.
So you can hold it for maybe longer, if you don't mind dying after.
It's lethal corruption.
So, if you don't charge it you get corruption damage? And if you charge it for too long you also get corruption on top of peril?
Did I get it right?
I can maybe get a build where I don't use smite often...like, void strike for single target, fgs for hordes and smite only for important motives like, helping a team mate revive
that's a bandaid fix at best and just punishes the player for picking a node, corruption damage is way too severe too
No, you charge till full bar, and it drains as you actually smite, draining the bar to critical gives a warning to stop, if you hold after, corruption damage.
I still like my idea more
50 peril charge smite shockwave that stuns in a cone for like...idk 4 secs? Or something
That sounds like and old thing ppl thought about. You charge for a larger area effect cone lightning.
Yeah
The charge is to offset the stun duration.
Not the most original but I like it
Actually....
Keep the lmb
Change the rmb to ghst
Since all pysker blitz have a different effect on rmb
Pop makes you charge slower but you Charge without "aiming"
Shards make you target longer range
And smite would make you charge a cone and do what I said
Damn, biggest hotfix ever 
Rn or...?
The hotfix removed the "Built for CQC" string and that additional efficient dodges when wielding your ranged weapon one
For what
It's a mystery

who is this psyker guy
John psyker, the very first psyker
NOBODY WILL HURT
🗣️ 🔥
Tbf they said psyker not pspeller
WHY DO PEOPLE DECLINE REQUESTS FROM THE IDEAL PLAYERS THEY NEED

Because you don't know what other players have sent a request, and because the entire party finder is not great
Because they hate me 
Can't say I have much experience being declined from havoc lobbies unless I'm hovering a class already present In the party
Idk if it's just me but all that just feels stupid because YOU CAN CHANGE BUILDS AND CLASSES BEFORE GOING INTO THE HAVOC MISSION
Like, what's the point of trying to filter by such metrics if all of a sudden he can change from meme build to a really good one in a blink of an eye?
And the other way around too
is the KF triggering but not doing anything at max peril a bug?
yes
It should work independent of your peril
I still filter people with low clearance when trying to do 40's like I'm sure you're good but I'd rather atleast have you have cleared 30+ this season before bringing you along.
In my defense, I had irl stuff to do and don't grind havoc all time so my clearance is low, even if I did H38 before
I accept the unranked guys so they learn their lesson and stop applying to 40s
Has anyone reported it?
I will do it after I get my win for the week
My current assignment ain't even 40 this season
Just 34 haven't had time to grind

Don't even have the will to grind with the type of teams I get, people
H
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To retreat
Eh I understand both sides
If you fall back you preferably want to do so a little on the slower side to not lose too much ground
The hay? Why one care of losing ground if trying to keep it stupidly is why you lost the run?
I see many people fall back too much on certain sections of oubliette for example and end up cornered.
W key addicts and main characters.
Full throttle foward at all times, eating every item in the game to stay alive and never turning around to see where teammates are until they're already down.
like they're the only person in the game.
But then Spam pings the second they touch an elevator.
Falling back when you don't need to can be just as harmful as not falling back when you do.
Block em all
Whenever u get the chance block em and save yourself the future trouble
I am a w key addict in quickplay aurics.
I don't use resources though
I love darktide because positioning is an art form
Its one thing to go ahead
Its another to go ahead and die
Idk, when 2 bosses (hell sometimes one Is enough) are coming for you, I feel it's a good time for rejects to start slow backpedaling to explicitly NOT get cornered
With zealots it can make sense to peel off
Yeah if I get dogged 2 miles ahead of the team it is entirely my own fault.
You usually want to hold for as long as you can if you allready have good cover or if it's not far.
Yeah sure some players think we have to rush to their aid tho thats when its too much for me and i block
When they get rude aswell
That’s a good time to hold s. Or twins. Makes everything form a straight line to follow you
Holding choke points is usually what you retreat, I saw do many players just keep fighting in the open
I see people over fall back and put themselves in worse situations a lot aswell
It's an art
Can't stand that everytime I find and hunker at a good bottleneck the 1st thing I see is the back of my squads heads
...
90% of damage I take is from behind me when my entire squad is right there fighting each other for kills
It’s an art that you only learn by doing the wrong thing and dying
Forever reject
Break that habit gp at your own pace
Focus on staying alive yourself
Especially in pubs
I'd rather use my hands in soccer
People just don't trust randoms when it comes to arbi. Arbi PTSD is real
But people don't even try to retreat to do it right, and it's no so hard knowing your exits
Usually people who sprint ahead alone make mistakes and die
it happens on my psyker too
They haven’t died enough
why would you host a pug if you dont want randoms
And they will keep dying forever....they still are NOT RETREATING!!! I mad
Be my friend so it's not my only option since fatshark didn't think we needed the ability to solo private que
More opportunities to clutch :)
Trust me if you just go at your own pace and let em sprint ahead and die you and the non braindead teammates can actually play the game
And win
I am the sole survivor (most of the times) and sadly I don't have that good clutch skills, I'm more of a team support 
I have had times where I ran ahead as a stealth zealot to deal with some gunners etc and had people follow me ending in me getting body blocked by enemies...
Being the last standing is the first step to clutch skillz
I can clutch up until I break 100 ping
Managed to reach the spawn point and ressing one player. one day I'll manage to save the game, ONE DAY!!!
When I have 100+ ping trappers and dogs are too inconsistent
It’s an amazing rush
You can’t even trust true survivor title nowadays tbh 😂
Meanwhile me with average perpetual 100 ping: I just shove the dogos and gamble with trappers, it's just honest work
Agreed but like
What more can I do
Nothing, which it's the point of the despair I feel
I have played a lot of ek staff and the m2 not staggering dogs cause of ping is funny.
I have saved myself from dogs that have pounced me aswell
It's inconsistent as hell.
Killed the dogo that pounced me with the Paul special once, it was funne can confirm
Tbh I just want havoc exemplar
[insert "oh sh!7 a rat" gif here]
99% of the time its incorrect to go backwards in havoc
game has changed
people dont keep up and still think its the same as 2 years ago when you could just kite backwards and slow clear everything
What if you turn 180° and then walk backwards
not in every case, but most cases, if you just stand as 4 and fight you will win
biggest loser of runs is not making enough forward progress when you are meant to, stalling out where you shouldnt just spawns more waves until you get overwhelmed
note thats not the same as rushing
but being reluctant to push forward/ retreating when stuff spawns is gonna be the reason runs fail a large majority of the time
Pulling back to get close spawns usually is not a bad idea though
yeah precisely
i said most cases
though also, usually nobody will need to respawn if you just stay together and make steady forward progress, barring mechanical errors like missing a dodge on an overhead that you really shouldnt have missed
(its me)
whether you go back or not doesn't change the spawns
i mean it does and you know it does
Yes it does
At most you'll get a blockade
Not if they have been dead for 20 seconds and they are ready to be picked up
other mechanics aren't affected
But if someone dies you pulling back 30-40 meters to manipulate spawn locations could be a run saver
Player spawns sure
you can literally see it even in malice
That was what I was talking about.
You can ping Kuli or someone
if one person just runs back 40m and the other 3 dont
they will get specials spawned on them
Yes, loner prevention is a thing but that's only specials
but if the whole team moves, no
okay so like i said...
and idk how many times i have seen an area be cleared, say before the drop down after the first event on mercantile
and nobody wants to drop down
another horde spawns
and youre there for another 4 minutes clearing it
Punishment waves are a thing
they are indeed
its the difference between a 35 minute clear and a 55 minute clear on ascension riser
If you play slowly you end up clearing more waves sure
actually moving forward when you are supposed to instead of stalling and being forced to fight more waves
that one guy slow clearing the 10 poxwalkers from the back instead of moving forward
It's better to leave some trash behind, not sure how exactly it works but it might not spawn the next wave until those enemies are dead/despawn
it is indeed
that's kind of gaming the system though
Drives me mad when I see psykers spend 2-3 business days trying to kill 2-3 spread out pox walkers with their flame staff.
if the team isnt moving forward in front of them then i dont blame them.
I don't know what kind of teams you get in the party finder but even very good teams have to pull back all the time and wipe
not pulling back is usually way worse
this is where we disagree.
No I had a flame staff psyker in auric maelstrom when I was newer to the game and I had to run back to babysit them constantly.
if you just stand as 4 99% of the time you will be fine
on some maps you can kite horizontally/loop around but not a common option
the one guy bottling it and running back is what causes the problems
You want to pull back to a chokepoint to funnel enemies and while pulling back you want to be constantly killing.
There's nothing wrong with that.
is pysker a good class
for real though, armour wave comes from the front. stand as 4 and fight it, it dies in 10 seconds flat and you move forward
Noob class for scrubs unable to melee
Unless you have dumb teamates who turn tail and you get overrun by an armor wall that you don't even have the aggro for.
one guy backs off, the other 3 cant clear it fast enough, more spawns, and more spawns, someone downs and its cascade fail from there
And now you are body blocked on both sides
I guess you've to have a top 0.1% team to do that, doesn't happen with my teams
i mean i guess it depends if all 4 players are willing to stand and fight
or if someone on the team's first instinct is to go backwards instead of stand.
If the guy with the aggro runs you have to run aswell
Bad taunt ogryns are more deadly then the enemies some times
is psyker good or bad tho should i use it
terrible dude
bro
you shouldnt play it
Psyker is extremely strong
Psyker is broken
why
Completely dog shit
ok
No survivability or damage
how do i use pyskerw
Please stop sounding like my randoms when they have psyker
but for real what are you asking
what is it’s pros and cons
pros - most damage output in most situations of all classes
Pros - everything dies, cons - you die
i heard it’s insane
Pros a fuck ton of damage
Cons: you have teamates.
ok
cons - comparable lack of specialised output
so
But
imma try it when i get on
You should only use psyker in high density
what’s that
can it get rid of bosses?
so like, you do the most damage in general situations, but against specific situations other classes will do better
bosses are a good example
malice and heresy but soon idk
Fire staff can do okay into bosses everything else takes 5-7 business days
O
its not great at bossing compared to other classes that can specialise into deleting bosses
but its still pretty fine
Psyker is crap in malice and heresy but it's a good way to learn
ok
in low difficulty psyker is just whatever
i will try
but honestly, if you arent playing the hardest content, just learn to play the game more
^
ok
And buy robox
psyker feels very underwhelming in lower difficulties and at lower levels
Also you will die a lot if you don't have dodge timings down
it only feels really good in high difficulty at max lvl with maxed weapons and a strong understanding of how to play it
Get someone to run you through maelstroms
Assail spam SG psyker still gets the job done at lower levels
yup, for low level psyker, just use the blitz called assail, and a sword and a gun you like.
Levelling psyker 😭
learn how to melee and not get caught by specials
Pay someone to do it
other stuff comes later
I'll do it for a cheese and onion pasty
peak pasty choice
alr bet
I STILL NEED A GERMAN
wanna pm so when i’m on u can help me
Yes
Cool
Can I DM you to translate something? It's work related so I'm not allowed to use AI since it would put it into the pool or whatever etc/ banned by company policy
cant use translation tool
How do they expect you to do this
If it's not a lot 
can use random from the internet
It's like 2 lines
Yes
AI detection makes no sense anyway, the models learned how to write from humans, so obviously things will get flagged, because they learned how to write from us
just use a non ai translation tool? babelfish has existed for like 20 years
Unless it's very specific language because of the job I can manage 2 lines 
But Sut translation tool is best
$10 per line.
Wait 10 euros? Thats pricey
its called "convenience" pricing
In my experience biggest game loser is people thinking that standing in the open to fight is a good idea as the monstrosity ambush is committing from behind, there has been a pattern of games where If the team falls back, which is not retreating 100meters but just enough to intercept the ambush and force the rest of the enemies on a single choke point, they will pull FAR above and beyond what a team trying to hold a point to advance and suddenly oops! That's 3...no 5 bosses on your face
That being said, you do seems knowledgeable about the spawn rate both on time and distance, you have numbers? Would want to get metrics on how to move because it's not so clear to know when it's the ideal time to push forward aggressively
we crossed 2 boss spawn thresholds
It actually happened in a game, moving forward when a boss is coming and it spawned twin and weakened ones
yeah that happens there is still rng
Not happen that often when team stops when one is triggered
earlier we had twins and 2 cspawn before dropping into the first cypher room on mercantile
Weakened ones do spawn as part of ambush waves
Is that a good price for cocaine?
Drug use? In my crackhead discord? I would never
(all rejects injecting stims at the same time)
going back slightly, if you hit a boss spawn trigger, it spawned but didnt make it to you yet, and you pushed forward anyway to the next trigger
then yes i would expect you to get twins'd or bonus monstered or whatever
or blockaded, or something
Sometimes boss triggers will bug out and will take like 3-4 minutes to appear. Bugtide.
and now youre fighting too much stuff and get fucked
Some triggers can be painfully close together
twins share the dh ritual triggers so they don't really care about regular boss triggers
Opening of Mercantile the other day, I had 3 full-health bosses and twins before the hacking "mid" event
All at once, I mean
i think in havoc you can get non weakened bosses outside of the regular boss triggers
Mercantile is infamously broken as a map
i see regular burgles and spawns as part of punishment spawns fairly regularly
Burgles have made me appreciate more the zealot boss nukers
Annoying big terrain hazards
Burgles make me miss having psyker bubble on the team
i will also say, the easiest comfiest runs are the runs where everybody just stays in coherency the whole time and makes steady forward progress without stalling, and lets the inferno psyker clear the back as you move forward
Have done them with regular walls, but bubble is more forgiving
I'm glad you agree Dom
Gimne psyker bubble or i no play with you reeee
still not enough to make me start running bubble again
Stop running purg in general
I am also a shriek player
Soulblaze is a crutch
Wall shield is the superior shape
I only play with purg cuz i nooby
All it tells me is that you can't deal with enemies yourself, you've got to hide behind a twig
The only real class is Veteran
if i dont play with inferno then the game takes forever
i dont mind if someone else plays it, but somebody needs to play it.
I play with Purg because cleansing the world with blue fire makes me happy
and i like when its me that plays it because i know how to damagemaxx on it
meanwhile trying to play surge surge and being bad at aiming just means i do less
Im only there to kneecap bosses
Surge does amazing up until you're overrun by hordes.

its also very frustrating not being the inferno player and watching the inferno player refusing to stack uncanny and be useless against crusher blobs
It's more frustrating being the inferno psyker and having to be the one to kill crusher blobs.
i dont mind it
The answer is to run smite
i know without a krak vet i have by far the best dps vs them
Honestly, fire psykers need to remember that they can stop tossing fire and pull their sword because meleeker is not a build but a constant of the universe
Instead of padding your own damage, give your teammates a chance
Stop being selfish
Ep Smite
Bubble
And crit aura

CRIT aura smite is crazy talk
i actually love giving the armour blobs a nice inferno blast then shrieking them up to 20 or so
then pulling uncanny FS and pushing the ones that start overhead animation
keep my frontliner safe as they bonk em while also actually being the guy that kills them all
meanwhile other inferno psykers
shoot inferno into crusher blob
dodge backwards 3 times
wait a million years doing 40 damage ticks
"im last alive guys you all suck"
In my defense, I inferno lmb so my Brain burst barrage deals more damage
Prestack flame swap to melee get like 2-3 uncanny stacks go back to flaming
no point in flaming
it does nothing
they are already over 16 stacks
you just lose uncanny bonuses
Use the force sword special and stack all 5 in one hit
Even If the concept was dangeous, tide games are melee games. You need to use your melee.
and dont keep team safe with FS push
I just tapped into discord and read "no point in flaming, it does nothing" and wondered if that was really Dom, then I saw he wasn't talking about flaming people and it made sense again
Amen
I mean, sure, it's satisfying to bully crushers. But if there are other enemies in the horde, it can be an overall loss to DPS if the elites aren't dying at a rate to stack Soulblaze on the new enemies filling in the gaps. And if I am the one killing Crushers, I feel mildly frustrated that my team isn't doing much. Like, when I end a match with the most damage/kills on every enemy type, including bosses, when I have a hammer zealot and a branx Ogryn, I wonder what went wrong.
what went wrong is that they were pussies
who were too busy hitting the poxwalkers behind you
Branx ogryn not bullying crushers sounds wrong ngl
I have numerous loss scoreboards like that
Also one win where the Zealot did like 500k damage in a 40 minute game, but was easily the most important player.
Damn no one else even broke 1 million
Book zealot is the only one who does not really reflect on scoreboard.
Atleast on the old book zealot who had like no down time if all they did was CRIT backstabs
were they a book zealot or? just curious
another loss
Book with all the revive nodes/curios
With maxed out revive speed, you can get someone up with the stagger from one pulse of book
It's actually impressive
Honestly tempted to run revive speed on non-Psyker classes.
I been changing over to 2 +12% revive speed, been quite noticeable tbh. Moreso than most other curio perks i had before, which are nice also nice but hard to see the benefit of.
Unless you run solo with bots always gonna have a few uses out of it per mission, teammates will love you
800 k overkill damage think I spotted a powersword vet.


